#966 – Our Community Of Gronks Feeling Disconnected/
- February 24, 2021
We chat about how the community has been feeling lately, wanting more one on one communication, Stella’s negative review and thinking too much about optics.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
- This time 3-years ago
- Community feeling disconnected
- Adam Grant’s new book
- Friday Night Drinks
- Gronks realising the pain
- Stella’s negative review
- Community needs
- Thinking about the future
- Tiger Woods car crash
- Inspirational quotes
- Thinking too much about optics
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Tommy Jackett: [00:00:00] Very low barrier to get into the grown squad.
Josh Janssen: [00:00:07] We've committed to do the daily talk show for 10 years. I had guys put it in the calendar. Just like to check the temperature in the room. I told you my squeegee story,
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Tommy Jackett: [00:00:23] is happening. What is
Josh Janssen: [00:00:24] going on? The thing with doing a podcast daily, you realize like, don't you feel like, um, before the podcast, you weren't necessarily, you didn't have to worry about how you're feeling. So when you've got a podcast, all of a sudden you have to be like turning on the mic every single day.
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:41] Yeah. I guess it's like, if you, not that there's anyone else here, but it feels like. Walking out if you had to, like, if you woke up and then you walked out and there was a bunch of people there, that's the vibe where you kind of feel like you're checking yourself because of the external people that are gonna be seeing you.
And so I get that vibe. That's a weird one because it there's no one here. So she went on, but it's also how people will perceive what we're saying. Yeah.
Josh Janssen: [00:01:10] Yeah, I think, or not even that
Tommy Jackett: [00:01:13] the guy that brings this up is obviously feeling fucking, sorry.
Josh Janssen: [00:01:16] I could not be fun. Oh, that's great.
Tommy Jackett: [00:01:21] Yeah,
Josh Janssen: [00:01:22] that's the grind, my son.
And so, but what I thought is how can I turn it into an opportunity for all of us? And so when I thought I would do is I was like, how you need to be reminded why you're doing these things. And so what I did was I went back and looked. Uh, at what we were doing three years ago on, on, on the daily talk show.
So that was, um, uh, episode 29, 29, 2018, uh, February 23. So it was February 24 today. But, um, this was like with the, you know, fucking how dates work and shit, and we do five days. So it's the 21st, so I could pull the 23rd affair. So this is three years ago, three years in one day
Tommy Jackett: [00:02:07] ago. Wow. And so Bodie had just turned one.
Josh Janssen: [00:02:13] We we're doing audio audio only,
Tommy Jackett: [00:02:16] and we're only 23 episodes in 29 episodes. 29 episodes. Yeah.
Josh Janssen: [00:02:21] Okay. You ready for him? Uh, here we go. Here is the, uh, the audio, these, the daily talk show.
Tommy Jackett: [00:02:27] TJ episode 29. Yeah, boy. Yeah, nearly at 30. This is thanks for sticking in. If you've listened. If you've been listening to the whole statement in all right, man, it's really early for that.
Actually. I was making jokes before Josh presented me with this. Cute. Is this, is it a toy from your childhood? Yeah. So Josh showed me this toy and he said, my Bodie might love this. And he opened it and it's like a, basically it looks like a recorder, but like different pieces. So you can put things in, it's a music, it's a musical instrument.
Yeah. And my response was. Have you put that up your ass too,
Josh Janssen: [00:03:02] if you haven't listened so far today. I've so fuck. Why do we remember the episode? Why
Tommy Jackett: [00:03:07] you said it? Yeah. And then I now know it's episode 14. So go
Josh Janssen: [00:03:11] back and check that one out. No, but that's good. Yeah, that was early days. That was me as a kid.
Tommy Jackett: [00:03:15] I, um, the office, before coming here to do this podcast to pick up a light for you, nothing's changed.
There's a reason I had to pick up a light because. You're borrowing my light. Yeah. Thank you. Because someone lent your light, which is the same one as the one
Josh Janssen: [00:03:34] lint. So I lent someone. Yeah. My life.
Tommy Jackett: [00:03:37] Yeah. So this is a classic case of you lend something out to a mate and then don't fucking give it back to you.
Josh Janssen: [00:03:45] it's, it's one of those things where I know it's my doing it's that you're doing what? What's the expectation I should have said. I so the learning is because it's not their fault at all. Like, and the thing is I want it, like it was because that I care about him and I want him to do stuff. So I'm like,
Tommy Jackett: [00:04:08] I mean, it sounds like we're on a record player and you kinda just like, got your finger on it going slightly faster. Not that we're talking that fast, but it's your language. You're like a little bit. Yeah. A little bit higher and I get something going on.
Josh Janssen: [00:04:20] Just younger
Tommy Jackett: [00:04:23] that maybe what we're hearing is
Josh Janssen: [00:04:24] youth.
But I think that be, I thought that was a fun, a fun exercise. So I reckon I've
Tommy Jackett: [00:04:29] just thrown out that toy.
Josh Janssen: [00:04:32] Oh, that's so hurtful. It was a concern. Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:04:37] Bodhi would go around and there was a period of time he started doing, do you know this shit? I'll do it, sir.
Josh Janssen: [00:04:51] Uh,
Tommy Jackett: [00:04:53] huh. Some sort of scifi thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're on this star Wars. Yes. Got it. Well then you've never seen it, not having a little bit of a bit. Um, Yeah, we sounded, yeah, very strange.
Josh Janssen: [00:05:09] I'll tell you another thing I was thinking about. I was thinking about it on the, I haven't been walking in, I've been driving, which is not good.
Tommy Jackett: [00:05:15] I had a busy week. Yeah.
Josh Janssen: [00:05:19] Yeah. Yeah. What was it for maca?
Tommy Jackett: [00:05:21] Yeah. Yeah. I feel like something would be better if drops.
Josh Janssen: [00:05:24] No, no, no. Yeah. That's the nervous sip that I was thinking about now. Like we haven't spoken about this. I'd like to get you to reconcile. Tell me if I'm just being really negative. Okay. Yeah.
Yeah. All right. He's got his arms crossed cold now body language
Tommy Jackett: [00:05:38] necessarily. Isn't always an indication of. What's going on.
Josh Janssen: [00:05:44] So we got lovely emails from people, a lot of messages everyone's saying, you know what, thank you for explaining it.
Tommy Jackett: [00:05:50] Yeah. Which was, um, what, the changes that have happened in the talk show where Mr.
97 has gone chapter, et
Josh Janssen: [00:05:57] cetera. Yes. But the thing that I think that I unconscious, I was like, this is so lovely, but I think the, I don't know whether it's, because naturally you always go to the negative thing, but everyone started the. Email the same way. Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:06:13] I
Josh Janssen: [00:06:14] did guide that, which was, yeah. Sort of, you know, uh, confused and annoyed and gone off you or what, like that sort of language feeling disconnected.
I was feeling disconnected. Yeah. Yeah. And so, yeah, I don't know, like, I think that unconsciously I've been thinking about that and there's like, I'm grappling with this idea of, you know, you have a community of listeners. Mm. Grateful that they listen, but then also this weird thing that you can be living your life and you don't know it, but you've got like a bunch of people with it is cross band live fucking Tommy and Josh have fucked things.
I'm not happy.
Tommy Jackett: [00:06:54] I guess. That's that's the, um, Because you're not face to face. I'm sure these people, if you were like, if their mate was doing this, they would probably mention it.
Josh Janssen: [00:07:05] So he's listening. So I guess part of it is we have like the discord. I think we shut down the discord. Not because. From a community perspective.
I don't want us communicating, but unless we in there, unless we're actively in there, it sort of feels like, like Barry will say, are people riding in the discord or whatever. And we'd sort of spoken when more burnt out last year. It's like, do you survival mode, do whatever you've got to do to survive. And as a team and part of that was not having so much stimulus.
Yeah. But I think that there is something in the email thing. Like I think that the, the spending, the time to email, um, I think is powerful. And so part of it is soft. There's an expectation around that we show up every day or, you know, if there's an expectation, is it fair if I project an expectation on listeners, um, But if I say Bronx itself, I started growing Slack to like, it let's, let's say email let's or like email us or whatever, because I think that that's become a manageable thing now where it's like, we can write out on the show.
And I think we've gotten into a good cadence of being able to bring that up. But where's it not
Tommy Jackett: [00:08:22] manageable through those other areas?
Josh Janssen: [00:08:26] I think it's just like, you know, but I don't think that because it's being so fragmented. That's cause we had discord, we had DM,
Tommy Jackett: [00:08:34] there was a couple of questions. They, one of them was, is it like if they have patient expectations on you, you can have expectations on them.
Yeah, no. Well, so
Josh Janssen: [00:08:44] I guess the thing is that I, I have, so the email was surprised me based on people having expectations of us. Around all of these things, but I hadn't necessarily, like, I feel like that is an unconscious agreement that we've come to. Right. And so part of it is we don't actually, other than listening, we don't ask anything of the community.
Tommy Jackett: [00:09:10] so I've always, we've always served our own promise,
Josh Janssen: [00:09:14] but I think that people like wrongs have heard that and that's like that promise has become. Why more and we get lovely Nathan center, lovely email. And it's saying, you know, like, um, through all these times we've been there. Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:09:29] Um, same with Kroger.
Can I sit one through? And so, but you're right. They are all very similar in that. Amy said something very interesting to me, which I sort of ponded on as it got something to what you said. You sound sexy in Nana? Never forget. I forgot to put it on today. Oh no, I didn't get the comment. Dammit. Um, uh, so you're going to bed.
Yes. I'm going to bed G said, what if, what if the disconnection is actually the new version of you guys? That then connects with more, which I, it was just a, another way to spin it. Yeah.
Josh Janssen: [00:10:13] Well, so yeah, I think like, yeah, so the thing that we take away from it is that we listen to what people are saying. We think about it, we ponder it and say, why are we doing this?
What's the, you know, what's the goal. Um, and yeah, I guess there is a version of, um, yeah, like I've, I've had groks DME. Personally frustrated, like angry at me, like messaging, like in an anger. And I'm always like, I get surprised by that, that sort of thing, because I'm like, um, there's expectations or whatever that have been set, which is that they are doing.
But do we do, do we expect that I don't think I've ever expected that from, uh, any anyone that I've listened to when I was a fan of. Hamish and Andy, like listening to that, it wasn't like I was sort of expecting these things, but then to Ian's point Ian center, luckily could actually take some ideas to Ian's point.
It's like, you know, you create a family vibe now not to be heartless about it. But I was thinking about I Adam Grant. Uh, the organizational psychologist, he actually just came out with a, with a new book. Oh, what is it? Um, it's called, uh, think again. I think it is Adam Grant. Thank you again. Yeah. Um, Amy loves Adam Grant.
He's awesome. Beautiful smile. He has like, as in thinking, so he's got, what does
Tommy Jackett: [00:11:48] that mean? It sounded like you were, like that's another
Josh Janssen: [00:11:51] book. He has a smart, beautiful stuff. He wrote, he wrote originals as well. Um, give and take, but yeah, his latest book is think again, but he had, um, a quote or sort of, he does these tweets that he's spring grabs or whatever puts on Instagram.
And one of them was around, uh, the businesses. When you have a team, you shouldn't look at it like a family. Oh, I haven't heard this before. Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:12:21] Um, and why is
Josh Janssen: [00:12:22] that? Uh, I'm trying to I'll find the, uh, I'll find the specific quote, but he talks about like another way of framing these things. Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:12:31] Um, you can see how it could be used as an excuse for the business to almost have some manipulation over.
Josh Janssen: [00:12:42] So here we go. So this is Adam's that he tweeted this on December 12, 20, 20, the rhetoric about a company being a family is not realistic parents and don't fire or for low their children to cut costs. Leaders would be better off calling their company a community, a place where people feel a sense of belonging and care about one another, which I think is interesting.
And so there's an element of the family thing. That's almost what we, with Friday night drinks, we sort of created this vibe where it's, you know, a family. Um, but the other thing, the reason why these conversations are hard is because I'm sure that there's nothing more disconnecting than having someone speak in this way.
Like, I think if it might, we're saying look,
Tommy Jackett: [00:13:32] yeah, yeah. I know what you mean, but usually because it's all the stuff that's not spoken about, we didn't speak about how. We wanted people to, um, feel about what we were doing. So all that stuff is like, it's just, it is what it is. Like, it's just a, by-product of being part of the community.
Josh Janssen: [00:13:51] But what about like boundaries perspective? So if you look at how I live my life, the relationships I have, the friendships I have, it's really hard because like, I almost feel like with the daily talk show, We don't have those boundaries or it's very hard. Like if you look at how I am normally, and then you see Friday night drinks and all that, so I'm not going out with my fucking, you don't have to estimate I don't do that.
And so even doing that, I think that through that process, part of the reason of, you know, if you didn't know, we did sort of, you know, 10 weeks. I have Friday night drinks and it was fun, but there was definitely an element where I realized that I was like foregoing part of my own self or comfortability or values of what I care about.
For everyone else, which was fine over a period of time, but then
Tommy Jackett: [00:14:48] it can lead to a blow up, which did DJ precious in the house.
Josh Janssen: [00:14:58] was funny. Yeah, this is all funny. And the whole thing. That's
Tommy Jackett: [00:15:03] why my note is out of Jordan. Sorry, silly. So silly. But that's the, that is the beauty of life that we can have. One thing that we think is everything. And the next minute realize it's silly, or just take the, take the energy out of it by just shifting pattern of thinking, which is.
Josh Janssen: [00:15:29] So part of it. So, so if we're really to under the layers. So if you think about, we did the, we had that conversation, we did, we, you know, went really honest, as honest as we could with it yet. What's it on Monday? I can't remember what that was. Um, but yes, it was Monday. It feels like we're not. Um, but the thing is, so that was like, there is a lesson there.
Because everyone that had the problems, anyone that like no one reached out to us from January, from January to February, we've, you know, we've done a bunch of shows and they're like, no one contacted us
Tommy Jackett: [00:16:08] about that. I think they could be. Uh, it's a permission thing. It's uh, not that we said, Hey email. And so maybe we did in the episode, but it's like us being raw is like a moment for people to say, yeah, I saw that.
I saw somebody. Is there a, you are now explaining, is
Josh Janssen: [00:16:27] there a, like, is there a lesson in it? So like, I think that we can all say that personally where it's like, You know, it takes a moment for you to then crack and actually work out the root of the problem and articulate things properly and all of that sort of thing.
And so you have that version, but then there's a version where you'll have a mate who will see something and say, are you okay? And so part of the thing with the community thing is like, it's great that you guys are getting so much. Out of us, but no one emailed and asked if we were okay. And so that there's nothing wrong with that.
But then I think that we have to identify that we can't treat like w like we've got to treat this differently to the expectations that you'd have with your mate. Yeah. Does that make, does that make sense or am I being like negative? I realize I'm in a shit mode.
Tommy Jackett: [00:17:26] Yeah, but I don't think, um, I don't think I have the expectation on anybody that email us about what we're doing about.
Um, I mean, that's where usually it shows itself as negative comments, like Stella who left a review saying the picking the nose content was, you know, too she's done, which is also, you know, She also said that she was a fan, but then lifted it in a podcast review, which is where usually raise its head, the stuff that it's like.
That's how the, that's what it feels like people need to
Josh Janssen: [00:18:02] do. Well, like Stella has serious internal problems. We have nice steel. I know if she does the raise and what, because the thing is, this is what pissed me off about Stella's review. And like, we have this conversation as a team. So Stella, so Stella leaves a review.
It says I've been a massive fan of the daily talk show, massive fan. Uh, and, uh, but I just listened to a couple of episodes where the boys did some singing of lyrics.
Tommy Jackett: [00:18:36] And,
Josh Janssen: [00:18:37] uh, Josh talked about picking his nose, which the reason I probably did that was because. Uh, we don't feel great every time we come behind a microphone.
And so you're like, what the fuck do I talk about? Like, what is, where is the lightness in the darkness that we might be experiencing? So the criticism was that
Tommy Jackett: [00:18:55] the same episode we did the singing as well.
Josh Janssen: [00:18:57] I think, I think it could have been. So it was that one episode, but Stella, Stella, why Stella? You need to do a bunch of your own internal work is because if you're a fan.
How about you leave a positive review first? How many fucking episodes did you listen to without leaving a single positive review, but based on your negative wiring and the, the rate and wanting to be heard? The opportunity, like the us having a bit of fun was the moment to say, you know what, not only do I fucking hate what you're doing and I'm taking a break, which Stella might be hearing this so we can all agree that Stella's the fuck.
Wait, I'm like, is this, how can I not bring this energy where it's like Stella hasn't said one fucking nice thing about us. She said that she's a fan. She hasn't said one single nice thing. And then like, it's my fucking hate. Like this, this is very common in, uh, like I th this is actually very common in, uh, communities like shameless.
They do this shameless all the time, which is, they love
Tommy Jackett: [00:20:10] them so much do
Josh Janssen: [00:20:12] so much. And then, you know, you didn't because if you actually did you wouldn't say that, so you just stop,
Tommy Jackett: [00:20:18] you just actually stop and not tell, tell them about it. Necessarily. And so somebody it's weird because they wouldn't, I don't think, I think people would be more inclined to cut a friend like an actual friend, real life friend, not an internet friend.
W with, with less of an explanation than some
Josh Janssen: [00:20:40] of your friends, you don't leave a fucking review. Imagine that. Yeah. I mean, this is why glass door is fucked. If you've ever been on glass door, which is the site where you can leave reviews of your previous employer had Mr. 97, don't even think about it,
Tommy Jackett: [00:20:56] but it'd be spotless.
We've got, we've got, um, what's
Josh Janssen: [00:20:59] our negative sentiment towards CEO.
Tommy Jackett: [00:21:03] You can set that or you can just, um, No, but I know what you mean. Yeah. Adam Grant would be able to break down a lot of this. This is he, this is his forte, just that psychology of this whole thing, the negativity and feeling like. So what's, what's more powerful negativity or positivity as in just, uh, an emotion that pulls you in
Josh Janssen: [00:21:27] sits with us more.
I think the thing is that, uh, to my detriment, I feel like I'm fi I feed off people's energy. I get enough of the negative with, from things. It does impact of the way that I'm thinking. Do you think,
Tommy Jackett: [00:21:42] um, do you think you gravitate to, what is that? What is, how are you gravitating towards, I
Josh Janssen: [00:21:48] think that negativity sits louder within our minds.
Well, it's like thinking
Tommy Jackett: [00:21:53] back on your own accomplishments, it's so easy to just think about what you haven't achieved, which is a negative. Sentiment. Well, we have done some great stuff and we have come a long ways as an individual or, you know, whatever you're doing, whatever you're doing, it's easy. Even like, come, think about the times with your partner where you've come in and they're cooking something or they're doing something and you've pointed it out.
The thing that's not working or the thing that could be incorrect, like it could be made better. Which totally wipes out all the effort. It that's, that's the vibe. It's just suck the life out of, Oh, I'm doing something nice for you right now, which is making the cupcakes, your dog, but you've just criticized the amount of sprinkles on the top of them.
I could have more and it's too easy. It, if I feel I get sucked into that, I think it's most people get sucked into the negative sentiment.
Josh Janssen: [00:22:46] And so what are we, what, like, so if we're three years in on a 10 year journey, What is the new expectation? What's the, the new version that's really positive, but it can make it very clear.
I think that to give Stella some credit, she's obviously feeling like we've made all these changes and the only way for whatever reason, she felt that it was rather than giving us the time of sending an email. It was a one-star review. It was a one-star review. Yeah. So this is you love,
Tommy Jackett: [00:23:23] can you fan and then a one star
Josh Janssen: [00:23:26] like this, this is the whole thing is the fingers like this is what's like Stella, go back to our, if you're a fan, go back to our old episodes.
We were absolute. Groms like, like. This is what this is. What's funny, picking your nose is fucking time compared to four days. And so, you know, I dunno. I just think, um, uh, I don't know what the answer is, but this is what I'm trying to reconcile the moment, which is like, it would be good to work out like, um, yeah.
W what's the feeling, uh, how do you, how do you feel if you think about the community you think about growing, you think about all that sort of stuff. And what is your actual feeling towards it?
Tommy Jackett: [00:24:08] No, I think, I mean, we've spoken, I probably have a different, uh, it's not even relationship, but it's just operating system where I feel like.
So with two different, the different, the reality is with two different people. I haven't had. Necessarily vocalize people are annoyed at me and they have at you at some things. What do you mean? What does that mean? You know, you said someone said I'm annoyed at Josh or something. You said something about an email.
I haven't had any of that stuff. And maybe that's in my personality. Maybe that's me playing it safe. Or maybe that's
Josh Janssen: [00:24:49] just being less annoying. Just
Tommy Jackett: [00:24:51] being less annoying. Yeah, exactly. And so I don't feel that and yeah. I can't even speak to what if I did have that? What would I, how would I react? I think I'd probably take it personally based on it being, you know, targeted towards me.
But I feel like I've had maybe a lighter approach to that, which is just, I can't, I don't know what I've done. I haven't done anything you've been doing. You I've been doing me. So that's where I'm like, you know, I don't know. Maybe the. The boundaries, just what they are for me. And I don't really see it as,
Josh Janssen: [00:25:28] yeah.
I think you've brought less energy to that sort of stuff, which
Tommy Jackett: [00:25:32] is probably the best way
Josh Janssen: [00:25:33] to, um, and so like, I think that where that stems from, like where it sort of works out is the attempt. Like, I think if we look at community attempts, A lot of them have been spearheaded by me where it's like, you know what, let's do the Facebook group, let's do this.
Let's like, I want to work out how to engage. I want to work out how to have that conversation, but we just haven't. So I think that what the armor that you have, which is sort of like a realistic expectation or like that is what every, uh, I think that if you look at traditional media, I think that that's what.
The traditional media, like the relationship they have with their audience. Right. Which is like, there's a little bit of engagement or whatever, but it's like, and I think that I've seen internet communities I've seen what that could be. And so I'm like, okay. Um, yeah, maybe there's something great that we could do here, but then.
There is the reality. If you like, do you imagine a pandemic, right. Which we're in and you'd have to imagine it. So if you think about the pandemic and then you think, think about your friends and family, right? Listen is listed like, think about that. Like, think about your friends and family. How many of them are going through a hard time?
How many of them are struggling? And how many, if you think about your workplace, how many people are arguing or just a little bit off now? Think about that and then apply it to our community of grants. And the thing is that, uh, during the pandemic, this people having all different types of emotions and we would hear, and that would come out in the way that we communicated to a lot of it being positive, but there was also like a bunch of that sort of negative stuff that I think that I ended up.
Wearing, which is no one's fault, but my own, my inability to work out, okay, here are the boundaries. This is, you know, now, and this is why I think things like social media for me, it's way easier for me to say. I can't be felt like I didn't want to do it because it's like, it creates a very clear distinct boundary.
But then the question is, can you, in 2021, build something with the expectation of setting those boundaries or. The people who are going to be very successful with this, going to be able to deal with, you know, like I think about, uh, David doebrick, he would have people outside his house all the time. It's what you signed up for.
Uh, can you look at the HELOC? He's got a big mansion at exactly 200 meters wife and a moat. Think about Brittany Spears. So the Brittany Spears documentary, the pepper arts are, was saying that, you know, Brittany. Needed us and the, the interview, the interviewer said four or five. Yeah, the interviewer said, but what about when she said, guys leave me alone?
His answer was, I think she meant like leave me alone for the day. Right. So, but the thing is that, um, and so this isn't even for like what we're experiencing isn't even fame. It is some sort of weird podcast. Thing, which I love doing, I love chatting. I love expressing myself, but, um, and I, like, I think the thing is I love, um, being able to be there or being a consistent thing for people who listened to the podcast.
Um, is that enough for everyone?
Tommy Jackett: [00:29:13] Yeah, I can't answer for other people, but if anything, it's, um, Well, those decisions of less days of the show. So five days instead of seven, less other, you know, other pocket, like they're all decisions for our own mental health, for our own wellbeing.
Josh Janssen: [00:29:33] It just focus as
Tommy Jackett: [00:29:34] well.
And yeah, and that, which is the focus you get, you, it's hard to be focused when you know, there's a lot of that pressure on you, mental health or your wellbeing.
Josh Janssen: [00:29:43] Yeah, I think the other thing too is when you think about who writes in the amount of people that we have listening or watching the show versus the amount of people that contact us, there's like a huge gap there.
Tommy Jackett: [00:29:58] which I think is that's the majority. So you're talking about you and your experience with listening to radio shows or Hamish and Andy, you know, There's a majority that don't contact, which is cool. They listen, they love, but they don't, and they don't care. They come back or they don't ever listen again.
And so that's cool too. There is just versions, you know, like I've written into podcasts before, and then I haven't for a bunch, but I still listen to every day. I haven't like, I haven't
Josh Janssen: [00:30:26] fucking well, there's no expectation. Right? Like I, I imagine when I'm watching stuff, I have with a creator. I think about the YouTube is where I'll watch like these long videos of them, like explaining what they're doing or, and I'm never one to like, comment, like, Oh, you've changed.
Like, I find it interesting. I'm like watching from afar, but, um, yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:30:48] Yeah. Some people, it takes a bit more to get them to, you know, like I've seen a bunch of comments, many times I usually watch from afar, but I was just compelled to right. Yeah. I think I've even written that I've been watching from a far that was sick well done, you know, like that kind of sentiment.
Josh Janssen: [00:31:06] Um, and so what do we, we need to get clear. I think of what we want and what, like we encourage in regards to, as a community, because I say the few things that we have at the moment, which aren't necessarily that we're not doing a good job of managing or looking at. Um, but I think the email height, the daily talk show.com is the easiest.
Why because it's a one-to-one, uh, I think that, like, it also means that, yeah, I would prefer to have that, like, if there's feedback on things, I'd prefer a one-on-one exchange via email with a person with a real name. Like, I respect that so much more and I would, you know, take that feedback on, versus someone who's left a podcast review
Tommy Jackett: [00:31:55] where you can't even.
Say who it is really just could be Monday six, nine, nine, nine, five, three. It's like, yeah. Who knows, who knows who they are. What's been happening.
Josh Janssen: [00:32:10] ABN
Tommy Jackett: [00:32:13] Medicare number. You will
Josh Janssen: [00:32:15] extort. I am now stepping up. I've taken your identity. Um, anything else, anything light to finish this? Um,
Tommy Jackett: [00:32:24] Fire that came in last night, forgot something came, picked it up, started to jump into a bit of editing, you know, it's nice to just be sort of, sometimes I have those moments where I'm not doing it enough, got to edit more like, and it's an energy and then you start then you're like, ah, yeah, I'm done.
Um, but it is it's. Yeah. It's I think it's like the energy of. Where you are now where you want to be and be motivated by not being where you want to be. And then you like, fuck, what's there to lose, you know, like that mentally there was a
Josh Janssen: [00:33:04] future. Like, I think that, like, I'm thinking about how much I'm in the yeah.
Constantly. Yeah. And when you can't see the future, like, I can't, no one can, but I think that we can create, I had a story. Like if you think about, we had a really good run of like 30 years, nothing crazy. What's happening, you know what I mean? And so the thing was at the scene and pretty like, whereas I, um, I heard, uh, Tom Segura, the comedian talk about this, which I can completely relate to.
He looks around at all of his friends or the people around him. And he's like, you know what, nothing traumatic has happened in a while to anyone that I know, fuck something. Do you have doc, do you have a feeling or no? No.
Tommy Jackett: [00:33:49] Because what is it thought? Sure. You could fucking
Josh Janssen: [00:33:55] crash. What happened? You had a car crash tiger woods.
Again, it's bad. What's he on drugs? It'd be on the well bag. He had a slit and I had a S uh,
Tommy Jackett: [00:34:06] on the sleeping tablets,
Josh Janssen: [00:34:08] uh, agitated and impatient before her crash. Um, it's tiger woods undergo surgery for major leg injuries in Los Angeles hospital, a troubling report of his state before a major single vehicle car crashes emerged.
He had to get cut out by the
Tommy Jackett: [00:34:24] jaws of life. Ouch, travertine Lucky's doors. Now I wonder what car are you using? Can you see
Josh Janssen: [00:34:30] it's fucking sports Cadillac at the bottom of a cliff looking thing? Yeah, it looks like that. Yeah. It's sort of, it's completely on its side. Yeah, no, not good, but you know, like life is short.
Tommy Jackett: [00:34:45] Tom singer is, uh, thinking is just that it's thinking future, being, thinking about the future in a certain, you have to define what way you're thinking about it, because you can also call bullshit on the shit that you think like. W, what do you think? What if you were to just say what your think, your summarize, your thinking on the future, not the contents of it, but just the way you're deserving it.
Josh Janssen: [00:35:11] What is it? Well, that's the whole nothing. Can, I guess the, the feedback that Bri gives me is like, Oh, what's changed. Like what's changed in the last 12 hours to go from being like pretty positive to pretty negative. And I think it's like a compound, like what we've identified. You and I for talking is like, I am like everything compounds, sorry.
Like I'm like, because I can tell a story. Like we didn't, well, like on the, on the Monday, we didn't plan to have that, like tell that story like that just we'll just going with the flow. And so like, there's a lot of, yeah, but there's like a lot of dot connecting. That's happening. Um, and so I think that that can happen from a negative perspective where it's like, okay, I'm taking on Stella's comment.
Okay. I'm taking on this email. I can't take you on this thing. And then it's just like, and then someone say, are. Oh, why do you do your podcasts like that? It's like, fuck. You know what I mean? Like I know, I know, uh, just to clarify too, someone has tweeted saying, just to clarify something that LIS day initially said tiger woods was extricated from his vehicle with the jaws of life and LA County fire department spokesperson said jaws of life weren't needed.
And basically what they did was they broke through the windshield. Huh? Oh,
Tommy Jackett: [00:36:32] that's still annoying coming out of the wind
Josh Janssen: [00:36:35] screen. Yeah, there's a, there's a lot. I mean, it is, it is very, he couldn't be, um, couldn't be this news couldn't be more relevant because in his I'm sure he wasn't doing it for relevancy, but the, uh, the documentary was all about, uh, you know, there was a big, same with his car crash.
I don't know if you remember that he's wife. Um, I think, I don't know if they even spoke about this on the documentary, but I remember there was a golf club involved and she was chasing him with the golf. Maybe. I don't know if that ended. That was sort of a yes. And so he, uh, but he, he was, he would take a lot of sleeping pills and stuff to go to sleep.
And so he's taken a concoction and this is a law like a while ago that was in the doco, goes for a drive crashes and out the front of these giant. I
Tommy Jackett: [00:37:23] mean, there's a lot of. Big celebs that have had car crashes, Kanye West, and
Josh Janssen: [00:37:27] of like, so the thing is like, look at like, um, look at that Caitlin Jenner.
Tommy Jackett: [00:37:32] Yeah.
Caitlyn Jenner. She had one bad one. You know what happened there?
Josh Janssen: [00:37:37] Oh, that's right. Kill someone, um, said, uh, can I leave you on a quote? Yeah. Hit me
Tommy Jackett: [00:37:44] with a quote. Caitlin. Jenny Kwan.
Josh Janssen: [00:37:46] No, the soccer. It's not, you just do it. Um, Uh,
Tommy Jackett: [00:37:55] hit me.
Josh Janssen: [00:37:57] So he's one, this is not the one, this isn't the one I wanted. Cause it can be very well.
The other one it's like, um, I read it like eight years ago and it always stuck with me. Maybe like I wanted to get the words. Right. But this is good to suffer more in our imagination than in re reality. Yeah, that's good. Isn't it?
Tommy Jackett: [00:38:16] Yeah. Yeah. And that's a perspective thing too, because. The most, not for most, but if you have a house or a home to live in food, water, a job, a lot there to be grateful for.
So the imagining, um, our mind is thinking about the future of what we want. And then it's like the pain sets in like, fuck, I'm not here. The
Josh Janssen: [00:38:44] basics of what Seneca spoke about, uh, which was avoid big crowds, which is very relevant for all of us.
Tommy Jackett: [00:38:53] Uh,
Josh Janssen: [00:38:55] uh, no, no. He was talking about just like within crowds, there are vices.
And so what he talks about is it's like you hang around with enough people. You'll basically find. The worst principal. And so what I take from that is around the fame thing around tiger woods is it's like, you've got, you know, they built him up to break him down. That that was sort of, that's like, this is the, this is so common.
And it's like, how many times casually people saying, I know that person's being canceled or this person person's being canceled casually saying that. Like we just, I think that we are doing a disservice as a society and as an, a community to be so quick to do these things, because it sort of, it completely removes.
Any nuance, like, yeah, there are people who should be canceled based on, and that's why we have like a justice system. That's why we have all these things where it's like, you go to you go to jail or you do all this. Now. It feels like the, um, It feels more sort of like it's actually reminds me of like a witch hunt.
Like I know that people say that a lot, but if you actually think about it, it's like stakes, like wake up, like this person, like we're coming after them.
Tommy Jackett: [00:40:20] Um, don't care about the facts top line.
Josh Janssen: [00:40:24] And so there is, there is a risk of if you allow to be defined by a bunch of people. Um, you know, you, you are taking like that is taking away something from you and if someone builds you and that's why like, nice comments are nice, but to be honest, uh, to go back to Stella, if you think about like the, th th that is the epitome of what we're experiencing in 2021, which was like, that person used to be great.
They now are bad person because of something. And that's the end. It's like people want black and white. They want that assurity. And so you can't accept any of it. Like we like the praise is just preemptive opportunity to be pulled down. That's how I know that's negative.
Tommy Jackett: [00:41:20] Yeah. Cause if you will, you know that there's an opposite.
If someone prizes you, there is the opportunity for them to put, push you down. But if you don't hear anything, then you don't know, there's nothing. There's no one to be
Josh Janssen: [00:41:35] heard from. It's also a control tactic of as, as a society, because if they say tiger woods, you are the best in the world. All of a sudden tiger doesn't own tiger anymore.
Tiger is an enemy of the tiger is public property. Um, and I think that in a lot of ways what's playing out in society now. And even with social media, is that if you are doing things based on, say for instance, like, I feel like it used to be clearer. You would have you get paid. Like we knew that like money was this sort of, you know, something that we needed to live.
And so we would use money as a metric, but now there's all these other metrics. And so it's liking it's it's, it's all of this other stuff. And so what we're doing now is wherefore going, or I can say this, not everyone. I feel like there's many times in my life where I've forgone my own taste, my own, what I think is good content for what gets rewarded online.
Um, and so the thing is that like, When we do a podcast, there's a lot of time that we spend going, what is the, what's the interest point from a audience perspective, which I think, um, I don't know if that's going to be, I think that that's going to be the norm for many people. That's like the, everyone's a content creator constantly
Tommy Jackett: [00:43:08] thinking about what everyone else has said.
Josh Janssen: [00:43:10] What did the objects think about? Like even thinking about having a kid. In 2021, the optics is totally optics for me. It was like a, how will you, you know, how do you communicate the fucking, how many people have died doing gender reveals lately, pyrotechnics gone wrong. Seriously. There's another story of a guy that fucking.
In preparation of agenda reveal fucking died.
Tommy Jackett: [00:43:38] How many people have died for content, you know, posing on a rock fucking slipping after a selfie show, many waterway to go out. What do I,
Josh Janssen: [00:43:49] hopefully they had reception and it posted.
Tommy Jackett: [00:43:52] People, you know, people dying for their country a hundred years ago, people are dying for a selfie today.
Josh Janssen: [00:43:59] Yeah, yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:44:00] Get some perspective.
Josh Janssen: [00:44:02] And then, and then the thing is that, like, we have all these feelings about, you know, negative feelings towards say what Facebook are doing or whatever it is. And then it's like, Oh, well, you know that they are pulling the strings around, like who likes what.
Tommy Jackett: [00:44:18] Exactly.
That's the thing is like you say, it's a win because now Facebook bringing back, you're going to bring up news outlets, you know, bring back the news on their platforms. There's it's only good for Facebook, like in the end, because you saw how they just turned it off. They could just start manipulating shit.
Josh Janssen: [00:44:40] Yeah. Do you know what I'd like to do? I'd like to do a series on the podcast where we interview. That we'll have conversations with people who aren't on social media at all. How do you find their website? I like I'm Derek Sivers would be great. He's got like a Twitter thing, but he's very sort of contrarian with a lot of this stuff, but I just think that there is a version.
I remember when he, um, how about
Tommy Jackett: [00:45:04] we just get a couple of oldies? Yeah. The echo chamber that you were in is. People like us, you know, like our mates are all doing shit like us. We know creators. We know other people that are interested in podcasts. There are people that work in jobs have families and they don't worry about
Josh Janssen: [00:45:27] this shit.
Yeah. Over 60% of the world don't have internet. So the majority of people don't even have internet.
Tommy Jackett: [00:45:34] Uh, and so there is a version that just doesn't. Have the same level of, um, you know, obsession about this stuff than we do. They have a version for themselves. It's probably fun. Yeah. Something that's probably something.
Josh Janssen: [00:45:51] But don't you also think that
Tommy Jackett: [00:45:53] it doesn't come every fucking month. Like I'm pissed, the newspaper delivery is thrown into the wrong. That's why, you know, they don't, they don't get their fix, but the thing
Josh Janssen: [00:46:03] is that, so I'm less interested in that. And more interested in the people who it makes complete sense to be on the platforms.
So who were the, so the eight year old, that's not on social media. That is an interesting story. Um, but you want the contrarian? Yeah. I want the outliers who are like, yeah, I, um, And Kevin Newport, a clear example who wrote deep work and digital minimalism. It's like, there are people like that, but I'd also like to find the people who it's not what they hang their hat on because the other thing too, it is too tempting to be like, I'm not the social media person and then you fucking get t-shirts done.
And I'm like, no, I got leaving social media.com to mine. The Cena Sunday. Anyway. All right. It's a daily talk show. Hide the daily talk, show.com. If you've got any thoughts, I would love to read the, read out your emails on the show. Love you have a good one. See you guys.