Josh Janssen: [00:00:00] it's the daily talk show episode 935.
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:08] It's waking beds. And we've got whip. Jess Lucas here. And mr. 97, he then it's the 97. I'm here. I'm here. Good. Just, uh, just double checking. Yeah, Jesse, you here, you here. I'm here.
Josh Janssen: [00:00:22] What are you doing, Jesse? You really love like one observation is that you do multiple things.
At a given time, Bree said that she even picked up on it before hump day, where you look like you were doing something else and she called you out on it.
Jess Lucas: [00:00:40] She did
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:42] always,
Jess Lucas: [00:00:43] I just hate doing, I hate not finishing something. So like, I need to get things done before I start my next thing. And so if I have the opportunity to do it, I will do it.
And so when I was on hump day, I. Was finishing an email, just so I knew that that was ticked off my list. And then I could focus on hump day and then move on to the
Tommy Jackett: [00:01:02] next, I mean, th th the problem is there's always another email ascend or one to read. And so it is, I mean, do you, have you ever, that's like, you're sending one long, you've got one long task cause they're overlapping.
And so you never doing it. You want to think you can multitask Jessica. Yeah. Yeah. I
Jess Lucas: [00:01:22] don't know if I'm very good at it, but I do. I have to do like two things at once. All the
Tommy Jackett: [00:01:26] time you have to do. Yeah. Oh, I see.
Jess Lucas: [00:01:31] And like watching something or listening to something or used to iron, just Chuck, the ironing board on the machine.
Not at all anymore. Do you guys iron, when was the last time you iron something?
Tommy Jackett: [00:01:46] What's the, what's the use of it on these days? I mean, I don't have anything good enough to wine. Um, I was watching a Tik TOK viral tick tock, uh, that was posted on news.com today. And it was of this guy. Who's a chef, that's in hotel quarantine, and he's.
Flip the eye in upside down, used it as a hot plate put over like, um, heatproof paper or baking paper, and then made tacos with chicken.
Josh Janssen: [00:02:16] Hayden, Deb, doing that.
Tommy Jackett: [00:02:17] I wonder before. Well, there's, there's also, um, have you seen that tic talkers in jail are going viral and so you're not allowed mobile phones in jail, but this is what happens.
The guards bring them in. Oh, they smuggled, you know, smuggled in somehow, but there has been people who have become famous while incarcerated
without
Josh Janssen: [00:02:45] reference.
Mason Lauder: [00:02:47] It's not good. Having key people in prison, on a platform that's primarily built for kids. Is it?
Josh Janssen: [00:02:52] No, it's not.
Tommy Jackett: [00:02:53] No, I bet. You're good. Look like I know what you mean. Cause this is the problem. This is why the rules that they don't aren't allowed. So you're not wrong in thinking it's not, not, not on, but the ones that are doing well are actually being quite, uh, quite entertaining or sharing a side that.
Hell. No. It's like how to, how to make a cake or how to cook. Like they've got shit like they, um, how to light a cigarette or, um, underneath the bed.
Josh Janssen: [00:03:27] So my top five favorite murderer, tick Tuckers,
Tommy Jackett: [00:03:32] half of them, I like low level, low level crims tax fraud. There was a you're allowed on Tik TOK. If you've done tax fraud.
Okay. Underneath the mattress is this hard metal surface. This is like fucking whatever it is, steel. And you can see an area where they light. A thing underneath it, and they've created a hot plate underneath their bed on this specific spot. And so some of them just want coffee. Some of them just want to heat the water to have a dirty little instant coffee, but it's, um, they're not even allowed that.
So, I mean, that's why they're in jail. Right? They've had all privileges taken, but humans, humans are. Very resourceful, very resourceful.
Jess Lucas: [00:04:19] I want something where a lady they would put makeup on, but they would use coffee granules as their eyeshadow and as their, um, SCARA and things like that.
Tommy Jackett: [00:04:30] And then
to wipe off like golf on your
Jess Lucas: [00:04:38] car, isn't it.
Tommy Jackett: [00:04:42] Blend blend 43, whatever it is. Um, Jess, have you at all got into, I mean, you did a boxing match famously, uh, knocked a woman's eyelashes out that were fakes it wasn't somehow you in knocked out her actual eyes. Have you been watching any of the, the buzz around the celebrity boxing scene at the moment?
Jess Lucas: [00:05:09] No, not really, to be honest.
I mean, um,
Tommy Jackett: [00:05:13] nah,
Josh Janssen: [00:05:14] wait, where are you can shoot, like where I haven't seen any of this. I haven't seen a single Tik TOK or in jail, like jail, tic TACA. I haven't seen any of the boxing stuff. Where do you like, what is,
Tommy Jackett: [00:05:26] if you just went on news.com literally they've got it all. I've got it all. I mean, this is not a paid ad, but sometimes got it all very hit.
And Ms. Lewis, Hamilton has coronavirus and, and Trump has got something else. You know, Trump's doing something else. It's got everything, Matt.
Josh Janssen: [00:05:46] And so that's where I'm from. So there's stuff around. What was that jazz?
Jess Lucas: [00:05:52] Chatting is release a new picture.
Josh Janssen: [00:05:53] Oh yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:05:55] Ah, that's nothing.
Josh Janssen: [00:05:59] Yeah. I mean,
Tommy Jackett: [00:06:01] I wasn't going to go there.
Josh Janssen: [00:06:03] I mean, yeah. So on the Bach, the celebrity boxing stuff, what's happening. Oh,
Tommy Jackett: [00:06:07] so you've got Mike Tyson, one of the greatest, heavy heavyweight champions of the world. You know, he's 50 something fighting someone else who is the champion in their own right. Similar league, but younger, but then they're going head to head.
But what he's doing is creating a company. That's bringing retired people in different sports together. To play off against each other. So you could get, you know, Pat rafter, but this is a local Pat rafter verse Lleyton Hewitt,
Josh Janssen: [00:06:38] but not, that's not going to have Frank Perry. The golfer does fucking belting
Tommy Jackett: [00:06:45] the, um, or what's a better example, someone over in the States, like a big boxing's very simple. Cause there's, you know,
Josh Janssen: [00:06:53] Andrew Davis,
Tommy Jackett: [00:06:55] these are all Australian references. Um, Michelle, Michael Jordan, Michael Jordan, up against. Uh, Larry Bird. And so they go head to head or something. And so these are all, it's becoming like a spectacle sport where there's a lot of money to be made, but a lot of people want to watch it too.
But we're where the other side of it is happening is YouTube is versing other YouTubers, or, you know, Instagram, people are fighting. Other Instagram, people were tapping like Kirin start, uh, who you had on 'em. Too much, telly, Jesse's doing a boxing match next year, but it's huge. And I just want to put you forward Jess, as a producer against another podcast producer, if we can find one, would you take, would you take
Jess Lucas: [00:07:44] five?
Josh Janssen: [00:07:47] What about, um, you versus she's on the money producer, Ryan, John,
Jess Lucas: [00:07:54] yeah, sure. You know, the male female issue. Um, yeah, yeah, go for it.
Josh Janssen: [00:08:02] I
Jess Lucas: [00:08:02] feel like we're the same
Josh Janssen: [00:08:03] height and that's wellness. Ryan, John drawing down six,
Tommy Jackett: [00:08:07] six, two,
Josh Janssen: [00:08:08] Jess, can you, can you put out a message to Ryan, John? He's counting.
Tommy Jackett: [00:08:13] This is calling out.
Josh Janssen: [00:08:15] Sorry, calling it out. You need to call out Ryan, John now. Uh, what do you want to say to Ryan?
Jess Lucas: [00:08:23] Ryan? John. I'm the greatest fodder of old time. I'm undefeated. And I want to say you in the ring,
Tommy Jackett: [00:08:38] um, What'd you what'd you fight again, John Jess,
Josh Janssen: [00:08:44] she's fine with right.
Jess Lucas: [00:08:46] Um, what I, I think I would, to be honest now that I'm yeah, I probably would.
Tommy Jackett: [00:08:52] Well, it makes sense. Yeah.
Jess Lucas: [00:08:56] Just know what to expect now. And I think if it was still an amateur fight, I had her, I couldn't be bothered actually doing it seriously kind of thing, even though it is serious, like you still get punched, but it's, it's just, it's still amateur.
So it feels like it's not a serious maybe. I don't know.
Tommy Jackett: [00:09:13] Well, these are these YouTubers, these YouTubers that are actually getting their pro card, which means that they can fight. And get a score, like get their numbers up. Within the Prowler radar. So they could fight very experienced boxes and they, and they get class.
And that means that they can, they don't have to wear headgear and there's a whole bunch of stuff.
Josh Janssen: [00:09:35] Lucky
you
Tommy Jackett: [00:09:39] didn't know. Yeah. And so.
Did you think you would w when you fought, can, where can people find your fight? Can we, can we find, like, how do we just put it in, in description
Josh Janssen: [00:09:55] of show now
Jess Lucas: [00:09:57] it's embarrassing there. Um,
Josh Janssen: [00:10:00] mostly can we actually do a blog post on the daily talk show with the embedded video so people can find it.
Tommy Jackett: [00:10:07] With the
Josh Janssen: [00:10:07] time
Jess Lucas: [00:10:09] it's actually care.
To be honest,
Josh Janssen: [00:10:11] I think some people really enjoy it,
Tommy Jackett: [00:10:13] Ryan. I mean, when the, when the title is Ryan, John you're next, I
Josh Janssen: [00:10:17] think people will care,
Tommy Jackett: [00:10:19] but it's, it's worth saying, but did you think you were gonna win it when you, when, when you were in, when you, when the bell went. For the final round. Can I tell you,
Jess Lucas: [00:10:28] I, if I didn't think I was going to win, I wouldn't have gone through with it.
Like I knew who I was fighting, like halfway through. I probably would have pulled out if I knew who, if there was, if I was matched up against some of the other girls, I don't know if I could have gone through. I just knew. I don't know if you look at the
Tommy Jackett: [00:10:43] labor that I thought
Jess Lucas: [00:10:46] I was like, I surely I can.
I'm fitter than her smaller than her. She actually threw a really good Potch. Like she was good when she got in there, but, um, I just knew that I could do it and I think that's what I need to do in life. As long as I know that I can achieve something, I'll I'll do it. But
Josh Janssen: [00:11:02] you P you basically punched her into a retirement home.
Is that true?
Jess Lucas: [00:11:08] It is true.
Josh Janssen: [00:11:08] Yeah. I think the boxing thing, I feel like this is the equivalent of when I talk about Rick Steves, but you sort of glaze over boxing. Doesn't interest me fighting UFC. I just can't,
Tommy Jackett: [00:11:24] I'm safe to say that there's, um, there's more people interested in boxing and UFC than there is Rick Steves.
Jess Lucas: [00:11:34] Yeah. Josh, would you come and watch?
Josh Janssen: [00:11:37] Yeah. Yeah. I would tell like, uh, serves and I went and supported PJ when she had a fight. Yeah. I think we would count, but it's definitely in those moments. I definitely don't feel like it is my scene and it's never sometimes, you know, you go somewhere and you're like, this could be my scene, or I could, I could see myself like getting to learn more about this and getting to know the people and, and becoming friends with people.
But it's definitely. When I go to something like a boxing match,
Mason Lauder: [00:12:08] I mean, you nearly had a punch on with the person behind us.
Josh Janssen: [00:12:10] Yeah. That's true. Someone asked us to, um, yeah. Yeah. Cause we sort of went in front of them and Hey, we're sort of at a, a stall at a seat area type of thing. And then he was just expecting no one to stand between the S the stool and the seat, like the, um, table.
And it was like fucking five meters between that and the ring. And so we just stood in between him and the ring and he's like, Might you be completely blocking out view. And I think I pushed it. I pushed back a little bit.
Mason Lauder: [00:12:40] Yeah. You pushed back.
Josh Janssen: [00:12:41] Yeah. But, um, I think I was just like a bit bemused, cause I just sort of turned around.
I'm like, Oh, you the guy that's all over there. You're worried about where I'm standing here. You fucking idiot. If you want it. If you're on front row seats come to the front row. Exactly. It's like someone confining that fucking
Mason Lauder: [00:13:02] yeah. Just stand up.
Josh Janssen: [00:13:03] Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:13:04] I mean, going to like, look at the camera
Josh Janssen: [00:13:07] with, have an idea about it.
That was the whole thing I realized this guy really cares. And so I was like, actually, you know, if I don't see every punch I'm going to be okay.
Tommy Jackett: [00:13:18] Yeah. I think what you could get out, it could, you don't even need to be into the boxing. It's the. Fanfare around it. It's the seventh degree. It's the online, um, sort of, uh, Toronto, not even, it's not even trolling.
It's like, it's almost controlled to the fact that they are going to it's it's hype. It is marketing. And so when you have someone like shameless talking about someone like Jake, Paul, he's one, the point of. Like he's stirring the pot. He's a boy. He's the guy that boxed to recently on the Tyson card
Josh Janssen: [00:13:53] by shameless saying about
Tommy Jackett: [00:13:55] that, uh, they were referencing his interview where he was asked about coronavirus and whether it was a hoax and the kid doesn't give a fuck.
He's, he's a kid with fucking $20 million and he's at the center of boxing at the moment.
And
Josh Janssen: [00:14:09] he's just kind of aspirations. Do you find this stuff aspirational? What
Tommy Jackett: [00:14:13] aspirational,
Josh Janssen: [00:14:14] just like that lifestyle that they have, like the, the, like the poles and stuff like that.
Tommy Jackett: [00:14:20] Oh, not, not I not. So what I do like is the thought of not that I'm going to do it, but like, they are doing a single thing.
They're getting, they're making good money and they're just. Not, they're not, it's this weird thing where it's like an athlete, someone who is an NBA player is like off season during the training. There's like this thing that people are dropping into the world of an athlete and getting paid serious money to do it, but they're not necessarily coming in the avenues.
Like, uh, you're doing amateur boxing from young kid. You get into PR you know, higher level, you're starting doing competitions. These people are dropping in and acting like athletes. And being able to compete and make money through a different way. So I don't mind that I don't his lifestyle. He's a young kid who's fucking working and allowed, but it's like, that's not what's appealing, but I do like Josh.
Now, I'm just thinking about when you were training and you were serious about it managing if you got to do that, and that was your only focus for six months and it came up to this time, like you got to try and you get to eight that's. That's what I kind of liked the thought of.
Josh Janssen: [00:15:34] So then in that regard, wouldn't it be more appealing to have the professional athlete who it's just like, they're not doing the big sort of trolling stuff, not so thing and just focused and meditating on the process and showing up every day and working on that.
Tommy Jackett: [00:15:54] Yeah. But that doesn't sell tickets,
Jess Lucas: [00:15:55] do that as well. And the trawling. Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:16:00] Connor McGregor. I think about him. Do you know him? Do you know who he is? How entertaining is that guy? I mean, he, yeah. I mean, I don't
Josh Janssen: [00:16:08] like it. Yeah. I don't, I don't really, um, I don't get into it.
Tommy Jackett: [00:16:12] So that means he's go out as a more entertaining than Rick, Rick Steves or whatever that guy's name is.
Josh Janssen: [00:16:18] Well, I mean, Rick sees it cause it's like. He's going, he's getting to go around the world and he's exploring stuff and he's learning, it's doing something he loves and he's learning and he's, but he's also making bank as well.
Tommy Jackett: [00:16:32] It's literally, that is just replaced. Rick Steves, the Conor McGregor. And that's other than some of the other bullshit that comes with it,
Mason Lauder: [00:16:40] it's annoying.
The only way Rick Steves is going to get concussion is slipping downstairs.
Josh Janssen: [00:16:47] It's chick with Tara,
Mason Lauder: [00:16:48] just slipping down on
Josh Janssen: [00:16:49] the, yeah, that's very true. So what's the, if we look at our information diet 2021, There's a, there's a whole book. I think it's called the information diet that talks about how important it is to think about what we're consuming.
And I definitely know the things that I'll consume, where I'm not necessarily being productive and then the stuff where I'm feeling good as anyone got any thoughts on Jess. Maybe we start with you, what you currently consume from a content and information perspective and what you want 20, 21 to be like.
Jess Lucas: [00:17:22] Y'all gonna hate what I say.
Josh Janssen: [00:17:26] Sorry. I, okay.
Jess Lucas: [00:17:28] I mean, I read, uh, read books. I read more self-help books, I suppose, is the category. Um, this is not what you're going to, you're going to hate. You'll probably appreciate this. So like you Renee Browns, um, Gwen Doyle's those types of people?
Josh Janssen: [00:17:44] No, it was, I just said I
Jess Lucas: [00:17:45] hate Bernays.
Josh Janssen: [00:17:48] Yeah.
Jess Lucas: [00:17:49] And then I also read into a lot of astrology and psychic readings and that kind of stuff. So I still consume that once a month.
Tommy Jackett: [00:18:00] So what does that mean? Sorry.
Jess Lucas: [00:18:04] It's YouTube. Um, I mean the one guy that I love and I do watch religiously every month is Nicholas Ash bar and he, he does, he pulls cards for your star sign.
And so I, I listened to that. I mean, you can take it and leave it. It's more so just like, it's that whole, um, it's kind of like manifestation, I suppose. And you can write into it as much as you want to, or just have a take that lens and apply it to your life if you believe in that stuff. Um, and then what else?
I mean, I threw to a lot of, um, YouTube holes and then social media and that kind of stuff. So I wouldn't mind cutting back on it.
Josh Janssen: [00:18:42] So what's the mean. What in the ideal scenario, what's the three top apps and three websites that 2020, if you were to look at your screen time for 2021, what does it look like?
Jess Lucas: [00:18:57] I mean, I think messages and Instagram are always going to be out there, but mindfulness, the mindfulness app by Sam Harris. Um, that Tommy got me on to then using that. We'd like to see that increase a little bit more. Um,
Josh Janssen: [00:19:10] is this the white waking up or something different?
Jess Lucas: [00:19:15] There's not really any other apps that I use or would need for what I use
Josh Janssen: [00:19:20] or checking news sites.
Jess Lucas: [00:19:24] I check that all the time. Like probably every hour,
Tommy Jackett: [00:19:28] just in case, is that the old PR sort of, you know, gal coming out just need to check how much you were
Jess Lucas: [00:19:35] always going to be a news. I just liked it on top of what's happening in the lounge
Josh Janssen: [00:19:40] mean they used to be.
I remember there was a, there was a service which ended up shutting down. It was called breaking news. And they had an, an iOS app and it would send you push notifications on all breaking news, all around the world. And you would get, you get a notification, at least every hour of something that's happening.
It was very full on, but they ended up closing down, but it was a, it's a different, my mate, NACE on got me onto it, who has a sort of a news background, but it's a very sort of, um, it can be pretty toxic. I think one
Tommy Jackett: [00:20:12] problem with breaking news is.
Josh Janssen: [00:20:14] Someone's
Tommy Jackett: [00:20:16] someone's decided if it's a breaking news, if it's not fucking a natural, natural disaster and a con economy, economic fucking downturn or something big that's happening, it's a breaking news.
What's a piece of breaking news, Jess, in the last week that you've actually seen what's what, and what do you classify as breaking news?
Jess Lucas: [00:20:37] Um, I mean, it's not, I'm not even off to breaking news. It's more so just like what the news of the day is, I suppose. I mean, if, you know, the planes crashed like the M H seven, whatever it was like that Remo, and that was all happening.
Like keeping up with that, or even like the latest in like, um, You know, the China, Australia, um, fight. That's probably going to happen. Um, just keeping up out today
Josh Janssen: [00:20:59] with that motion.
Tommy Jackett: [00:21:00] It's a celebrity boxing match. Oh, this is fun. That's me with a celebrity
Josh Janssen: [00:21:07] boxing.
Tommy Jackett: [00:21:12] A news hound is a newspaper reporter. So you are the news hound to us. So you're a reporter of the newspaper to us. That can be a new segment. Do you read the actual, okay, here we go. What about,
Jess Lucas: [00:21:28] so I wouldn't mind being a little bit more like crystal Andrews where, cause I just skim stuff. So
Tommy Jackett: [00:21:33] I know about stuff, but I don't dig into
Jess Lucas: [00:21:35] it and maybe understand it to the full extent.
So maybe that could be my new year's resolution of Hmm. Actually understanding both sides and forming an opinion on
Josh Janssen: [00:21:45] something it's news. Like this is the thing, this is the aspirational thing that I've tried to do for so many years. I'm yet to actually properly implement it. It's like, if you start writing stuff, this is why I got all the fucking Iran.
Yeah, grumpy, Jake dropped off a bunch of books on Iran. The thing is, I read these articles and you say the breaking news on an assassination in Iran, whatever it is, and you're writing that. But the thing is you realize it's like, how can I possibly raid this with any form of critical thinking if I don't understand the history of it.
And so it almost feels like you're just rating some random. Some stranger off the street, you're just reading a breaking news based on them. It's like, and so that's for me that slow news of like, if there's an article that interests me or even say the stuff that's happening with China, it's like, okay, Like, what is this whole South, South China sea thing?
How long has it been happening? Like what is that actual region who's involved?
Tommy Jackett: [00:22:46] It's the sugar though. Like the news headlines that you get into Jess and the short articles is the sugar. It's the hit. If you Josh read every book behind you. Like it would take you years and years. And if you read, if you consume nothing else, how much smarter would you be based on all of those books behind you versus a daily diet of sugar headline media.
Josh Janssen: [00:23:09] Yeah. And that's the thing, right? That's what, um, I think that the that's the aspiration. I think that I want to hold on to that as an, as the aspiration of the thing that I want to do, I can see the appeal of. Yeah, the social media staff or going to the new sites or things like that. But it's like, if you can, I think I got, there was a, a moment must have been.
There was a time. I don't know if it was before. And I asked her, I, when I came back from my trip where had my social media retirement, and I actually read books from start to finish and I read like two or three in a summer. And I was like, that was ridiculous for me. And so I think there's a little bit from an infant information perspective.
I'd like to get to that. Hmm.
Tommy Jackett: [00:23:53] Um, but then are you feeling like you're missing out because there is something about us doing this show, then why do you do it? I think it's like, it's either an addiction that you do.
Josh Janssen: [00:24:04] This is the sugar thing, right? It's like, do you, do you feel better or do you gain anything from scrolling on social media?
And the answer that I keep landing on is no, but we still do it. But then
Tommy Jackett: [00:24:18] so if, yeah, I guess if the answer is no, I believe you, but I'm like. If the answer is no. Then why do you keep doing it? Because you could also build the argument for that. You do end up sort of for this shit, for what we do. Like if you were a university professor that was just needing to write papers about, you know, chlamydia, I don't know why that came to mind, but, and so you're researching those topics.
You're not getting anything out of reading. The newspaper. Whereas sometimes you bring up some gyms of shit that you've found or seen online that it, so what I'm saying is your, our role of what we do here or Jess, you know, you've been in PR and needing to understand trends or it's like social media, you're doing content for people and
Josh Janssen: [00:25:04] the visit data, the Twain, there's a difference between doing a celebrity show where you have to do that versus.
Some depth, like, I think about like the, the lost connections book and thinking about that, like, I think every time I read a book, I actually ended up connecting with the writing in a bigger way. You think about like the messy middle or, um, it doesn't have to be crazy. Yeah. Work
Tommy Jackett: [00:25:29] these things by those books behind you as being very high.
And so you need interest,
Josh Janssen: [00:25:34] but also try to buy it. Think about the barrier to entry in creating a book. You need an editor. There needs to be so much extra thought that goes into it where it's like the stuff that goes out online, the social media stuff, the new stuff. It is like, there is a lot of trash out there.
And so the hit rate, like for finding a good piece of content that actually moves you forward, or is positive is way lower, I think, than a, than a book. Because think about like the barrier of like. Think about if every time we followed someone on Instagram, we took the approach that we did with a bookshop where like buying a book.
Think about how much time we give to thinking about the book, like re re looking at the blurb are, do I want us to, I want to spend $35 on this is okay. Is this interest? Am I going to consume it? Like fucking, just tapping away following people randomly?
Mason Lauder: [00:26:32] Well, imagine if you had to pay five bucks to follow someone.
Tommy Jackett: [00:26:35] Yeah, yeah, yeah. What would happen then? You would be, I'd be deleting you for sure.
Josh Janssen: [00:26:40] Yeah,
Mason Lauder: [00:26:41] yeah, yeah, no,
Josh Janssen: [00:26:42] that's a good, it's a good point.
Tommy Jackett: [00:26:45] I would stop. I'm a title.
Josh Janssen: [00:26:47] It's not worth it, but
Tommy Jackett: [00:26:49] you're right. Josh. It's like imagine paying to look at the free news site. So I've got to, I don't pay for any new site, but even that.
Measuring for the PA had to pay for the free ones. It wouldn't make sense. Cause you like, only look at it. It makes you even reassess the thought of only look at it because it's free. It's like, nah, I probably, why do I look at it? It probably is just become some silly habit of, you know, a sugar hit or a crutch or behavioral crutch.
Josh Janssen: [00:27:17] And so what are the
Jess Lucas: [00:27:18] reasons why you don't want to use Instagram? Like in an ideal world?
Josh Janssen: [00:27:23] Yeah.
Jess Lucas: [00:27:23] What are the reasons if, cause obviously you did retire from social, you kind of back on now dabbling, but what are the main reasons for getting rid of it?
Josh Janssen: [00:27:34] No. So I think I'm not me these so dabbing, I think, um, it has to do with, uh, your getting your, um, if you think about how the content is created.
It is in these micro moments. So if you think about the action of a scroll, think of how much scrolling you could do in a minute, and then think about how many different ideas, thoughts, people, places you end up consuming all of this stuff, but it's actually, there's not, I don't believe that with the content that we're consuming on Instagram, there's enough time for us to have a critical moment.
And to think about it in a way that's positive. I also think that I've thought where to bring it. Oh yeah. Uh, I think that also there's, there's the fact of, like, if we think about the world of. You know, we're all just, uh, you know, triggered by different things. Social media is this huge opportunity just to be unnecessarily, uh, mentally impacted every single day because it's like, okay, so I'm and the other, the other thing is we're constantly getting sold to on Instagram.
Think about how many ads there are. And so we're scrolling through. And it's like, uh, you know, you'll, you look online for, for some sort of product, and then that product appears on your, it starts following you around. And so the different, all of a sudden, you can't escape your own thinking or being manipulated in that way versus, okay.
I'm going to have a single, so books, obviously a still designed to design. A narrative, they're trying to convince you of something, but it is a single focus approach, which allows you to put your critical thinking and then connecting dots in interesting ways. Whereas with social media who was connecting that, who was saying that.
This post goes underneath this post and then this post. And so all of a sudden we're creating this just random traffic of information that has actual actually no through line, no narrative. And I think that that's like super overwhelming.
Tommy Jackett: [00:30:04] Do you think that looking at what you create. Versus what you want to consume, not maybe what you are consuming, but say it is more of that thoughtful, mindful content.
Do you think you need to be in alignment as a creator with what you consume and what you create? Could you, because if you are creating something that maybe, yeah. Do you think that, what do you, what do you think that? So
Josh Janssen: [00:30:33] I think that the. Um, if you look at reach and you look at impact to have reach and impact, you'd need to go where people are.
And so the thing is that. Most people won't be like, the other thing is like, people don't all think the same. So the fact that it impacts may not even like mentally, but just my ability to get things done and all of that. So I think it doesn't have that same impact for other people. And so this idea that everyone should be off social media or this or that, like, I don't believe that.
Um, and so. I think that there's the opportunity to be present and to, uh, provide, uh, a voice on these platforms, which then promotes longer listening, like podcasts, um, which I think gives people the opportunity to get out of that sort of sing, you know, these, um, sharp hits of information.
Tommy Jackett: [00:31:35] Do you think though that,
Jess Lucas: [00:31:36] um, maybe you look at Instagram in a different lens because you're talking about Instagram now as a platform for content.
Whereas I think I perceive the Instagram and Facebook as a, as a way to stay in touch with friends and yeah. Um, I don't look at it as content kind of thing. Like it's more so just like, Oh, someone's got engaged or this person's just had a baby, or Josh's doing this this weekend.
Josh Janssen: [00:32:01] How do you then, so if you think about it in that regards, how, when do you think about someone?
When do you think about a friend when doing engage or, or interact with them? It's when an algorithm serves you up content. That tells you. So for instance, if I don't post all of a sudden within the context of relevancy, I'm not necessarily
Jess Lucas: [00:32:26] thinking about you every day.
Josh Janssen: [00:32:28] I thank you. Um, but think about the, think about how the, the different versions or.
Um, uh, yeah, I think that that's part of the problem. I think that this idea of relying on a computer system or an algorithm to determine, okay, like there's so many people where I think about it. I'm like if I, if I wasn't on Instagram, I would never think about this person, but like, thinking about the random people that you met.
Seven years ago, who you actually know everything about them, you know, every one of their milestones, you've never actually like you met them once, twice, maybe three times, but you, you still connected that never used to happen. And so it's a
Tommy Jackett: [00:33:14] weird, it's a weird new phenomenon.
Josh Janssen: [00:33:16] So the thing is we end up with this huge, huge section of people that we end up.
Uh, connected with that all have varying opinions and ideas. And then all of a sudden, like, it's so overwhelming, like how much can we, like if I'm following, you know, 900 people or whatever it is I'm following, can I really keep up to date with 900 people and what they're doing? And so I think, um, yeah, I think that it's a terrible.
Why to stay connected with people. And I think that for the most part, the other thing is if you look at what Instagram I think does pretty well, is it does emulate what we're doing in the real world. Anyway. So if you look at it, it's like, where are we seeing each other's content? And if you look at like the automated close friends group that they create, it's actually people that you are interacting with day to day and all of that sort of thing.
And so. If that's the case, I would just prefer to have the extra level, which is, you know, actually making an active effort to connect the dots myself. And I feel like then I'm going to create stronger, deeper connections with a few, which I would prefer rather than. Weak connections of many. I think
Tommy Jackett: [00:34:42] that the hard bit is one thing actually takes effort.
So you wanting to connect with small amounts of people like. Think about calendarizing when you're going to touch base with somebody or like, whereas the sugar hit approach of social media is you're on there. It's like, it's like walking into a room when there's 50 people in there. You're more likely to spark up convo with a few people and remember a few things versus the other way, which I think I agree with you.
It's just harder. I think it's harder, but, but. Generates a deeper level of connection, if you are able to do it the other way.
Josh Janssen: [00:35:21] Yeah. Just mindful,
Jess Lucas: [00:35:24] mindful doing nothing. So sometimes I get in these moods where I don't feel like reading or consuming that kind of content that I can just look at my screen.
Cause it's something to do.
Tommy Jackett: [00:35:33] Otherwise I'm just sitting there
Jess Lucas: [00:35:35] with my thoughts.
Tommy Jackett: [00:35:37] But what about just sitting there with your thoughts? I think that is the biggest, that's the deepest challenge for all of us that. It is a stimulation device. It gets your mind thinking, you're thinking about some bloke you met seven years ago.
I don't give a shit about, but no, every kid that he's had and he's favorite color, but the, the challenges it's like boredom, boredom's the inability to be alone with your own thoughts. It's like, that's what I,
Josh Janssen: [00:36:05] that's the resistance, Jess, I think to progress in a lot of ways. Like, I think that that. Because I don't think that using external sources to remedy the internal things that are going on is just putting off the thing that you need to do.
That's how I feel anyway. And like, I definitely do it. I think that like, that's the way like overworking comes in or going from one problem to another problem. But there is, yeah, I think that there's something exciting about. Simplifying and saying, okay. Yeah, I'm just going to be like, how do you in a paycheck?
What about this the other day? Like how do you just make sure that you're bored on your break? And that was to your point, TJ, the other day, where it's like Christmas, you go from one thing to another thing. Like I want to make sure that I have huge opportunities just to be bored and then be a little bit antsy, but then sit in it.
Not doing anything crazy. Go for a walk. Cause normally cool is it's like feeling a bit antsy, get out my computer, start doing some things. What could I work on? What can I do with this energy? But like, what if you use the energy in a different way? What if you, you know, Did a 20 K walk or, you know, things like that.
Like what would happen in that regard service? What do you think about, like, I think that you've had a different experience because. You're not that active personally on social media.
Mason Lauder: [00:37:41] Yeah. I mean, I, I think, I think if I didn't, if I wasn't in like, on the daily talk shows social, like day to day or whatever uploading, I think I would.
Completely eliminated. Like I don't have, I don't know any Facebook or anything like that, that I'm actively on. Um, but like, I, I think one of my things over the holidays I want to do is, um, like I've, I've set up like the RSS feeds for the new sites that I want to be getting stuff from. And so I've at the moment, it's just like the verge and then I've got, um, Pete's blog noodle, scratches.com and then also, um, Seth's blog as well.
And so, and like this scientific one, and then I've got a few tweets of people, um, sort of like compiling information and doing all that work of getting it all, figuring it out and then delivering it in a, you know, a simple piece that I can then interpret. So I've got that, but then I think the next step is like having.
Yeah. Thinking about the sort of broader global stuff. So like I've, I've dabbled in like ABC, but I'd love to get into like the slow news of like Z feed and what crystal does. Cause I think that's really like thought provoking. So having, having that, um, set up in Aaron RSS app is what I want to, you know, I want to do over the holidays, but yeah, just.
I think I'm probably similar to you, Josh. Like I'd just much prefer have the actual connection with someone rather than. Like, like, cause you get into the whole thing of like comparing yourself, what are they doing? I'm not doing that. Like I just, I don't, for me personally, I don't see a heap of value in being on social media.
Like it just like, I love talking to people and I'd love texting with them, but it's just like having that and then like, you know, Facebook messenger, all that. Like I just don't need any of that.
Tommy Jackett: [00:39:39] I mean, there's, there's a version of, uh, these platforms. Need a whole bunch of people who are unaware of the things we're talking about, not in a like, or you don't know what, you know, what, which is
Josh Janssen: [00:39:52] the majority of people on the platforms.
Tommy Jackett: [00:39:55] Exactly. And so until you start a ticker collating these things and having realizations, there is no wonder, like someone might totally just like Josh fucking turn your phone off. Or like, Until you look at yourself and understand where, where a moment of comparison comes in and when you are triggered or the person who's probably triggered by everything on social media might not be aware that that is a, that is how it's all happening.
They just responsive. And so that's where it is. It's like people who are plugged in, you know, people who not aren't awake, but aren't aware for this in some areas, I think like it's a trap there cause it's so w the way it's designed is perfectly and beautifully to make you less aware.
Josh Janssen: [00:40:50] Isn't it? Like, I think like, food is a good example where it's like, if you're hungry, um, then you can make.
A case that you need to eat something. And so social media is like chocolate cake. It will give you a sense of certain things. So say, if we look at connectedness, if we think of social media is like, that's providing a connection. And so if we're seeking, if we've got sort of this. Emptiness. And we're like, okay, I need to feel connected.
What we're doing at the moment is we have fucking only chocolate cake in the fridge. And that's what it's like. Okay. I'm feeling hungry. I need to have something. And I'm having the chocolate cake. And the problem is if you're having chocolate cake all the time, The first time you have a salad, it's something that tastes good.
And it's like reading a book the first time you fucking read a book in six months, you're only going to get through two or three pages and be like this isn't fucking feeling good as because you've had this crazy, like the previous version, the chocolate cake is going to give you a thing, like a much bigger response.
Quickly which you're going to be able to feel, and that will impact you. And so your body becomes a climatized to that, and that's what it suddenly expects. And so there is a version which is like the, um, if we think about social media, we think about information is just like we're seeking to be seeking to connect with people.
It does require. Weeks and weeks of not having social media as the option. And I feel like using the analogy of food, it's like, there's some people who say it's a balance. You can have chocolate cakes sometimes, but then just make sure that you're having a lot of plant-based food, all that sort of thing.
But then there's other people where it's like, if I have chocolate cake in the fucking house, I will eat it. And so for me, What I've learned is if I have it in the fucking house, I'll eat it. And just like with the apps, if I have the app, like I'll wait the most amount of chocolate cake possible. And just like social media, I'll fucking scroll for hours.
Is that
Tommy Jackett: [00:42:57] why
Jess Lucas: [00:42:58] everyone's stories?
Josh Janssen: [00:43:00] Exactly. I'll get to the end of the internet. And so for me, it's like, that doesn't mean the feeling that I have in regards to the social media, the chocolate cake. The problem is that there's so much identity to it, right? It's like in some regards, like the problem is not only am I using social media.
I was like chocolate cake lead at a company like, uh, like for my job, I've specialized in chocolate cake. I've been the chocolate cake guy. I talk about chocolate cake hit a chocolate cake, head of chocolate cake. Is this current so well, I mean, from a social media perspective, I think that there is like, I, especially, uh, I was going to say young people, young, fuck.
I kept saying like, people who are just coming up in their career. Social media is a great and enticing communications tool that you can latch on to because you, if you're a digital native, you can get in there and you can leapfrog other people, or you can get really far in your career, you can get to senior roles because it's like, it's all fairly new, but the, the risk.
Is depth. And so that's what I'm trying like, and the thing is that, like, I've tried this every single year. I get a little bit better, a little bit more. Like I learn a little bit more. I think that sometimes it can feel like, Oh, there's no progress. Then I think about it. It's like, no, I am learning stuff. I am doing stuff.
And so it's different for everyone, for, I think for me too, having the podcast makes a whole social media thing, actually a lot more, a lot easier for me because I'm like, This is the creative expression for a lot of people, the people who want to make a feature film, or they want to do something like their version, there's creative itch rather than doing that, rather than writing a book.
They're writing a, they're doing a tweet. And so I think that, you know, that
Tommy Jackett: [00:45:00] it's hard to scratch it. Yeah.
Jess Lucas: [00:45:03] I think what we all need to do is just have the sugar free gluten free chocolate cake
Tommy Jackett: [00:45:08] balance.
What's in it. Then. That's what I'm trying to do.
Jess Lucas: [00:45:14] I've got a healthy relationship with social media.
Tommy Jackett: [00:45:16] What were you doing? I guess it then is like, what's your goal though? Cause ,
Josh Janssen: [00:45:22] isn't it.
Tommy Jackett: [00:45:23] If, if you say I've got a healthy relationship, but you've only just cracked the thousand Mark of your followers and you posted seven months ago for the first time.
Oh,
Josh Janssen: [00:45:32] ouch.
Tommy Jackett: [00:45:33] That, that would sting. If your goal was, I want to be a social media influencer, I want to grow things. So I don't think that is you, but. Have you thought about it, Jess, have you thought, I mean, you've only just opened up your Facebook, Instagram this year, thanks to the guy who loves chocolate cake.
He actually wanted, he loves watching you eat chocolate and chocolate. And so what are your goals, Jess? Which I think I asked that it was like some people who. Uh, wanting to be, you know, content creators online. It's the same as like a silly question, but I think that's where if you were ask yourself, what's you go with social media, even if your goal isn't create a large following and make money out of it, there's still something that you're, if you did frame it around, what do I want out of this?
What is the goal? What, what am I going to get? It wouldn't make you question it in a different way, which I don't think a lot of people would think about what's. My goal is social media. That's a silly question. I've got no fucking goal, but they wouldn't. I mean,
Josh Janssen: [00:46:35] what's the goal of eating the chocolate cake.
It's seriously. Like that's what, like, this is why it's the reason why the social media thing seemed silly is because of that for 99% of the people that are on there. It's like a decision of what am I going to have for breakfast? It's not this existential crisis, but the thing is that you do it for a bunch of time.
And then you're like, Oh, hang on. This is actually affecting who I am and impacting who I could potentially be in the future.
Mason Lauder: [00:47:02] But I think, I think there's. Also like somewhat of a responsibility on creators as well. Cause like you hear like everything, what is your social media strategy? Like when are you hearing, what's your website strategy?
What's your email strategy? Like those other forms of communication, like the amount of time that's put into, you know, snippets and stuff for us. Like what about an email every week with an update from everyone on the team? Like just things like that, where, where there, there is that offering that is outside of, you know, Social media where we can actually communicate with people.
Josh Janssen: [00:47:33] Yeah. Sorry, what was that, Jess?
Jess Lucas: [00:47:38] It's probably just not as far reaching.
Josh Janssen: [00:47:40] Yeah,
Tommy Jackett: [00:47:40] I think, I mean,
Mason Lauder: [00:47:41] think about like eight, so snippets or whatever might get 30, 50 views. If you've got an email list with, you know, 200, 300 people on it and 30 people open it and read through the whole thing. Like, I think that connection with what we're doing and people reading that has way more.
Cut-through than just, you know, a post on Instagram,
Tommy Jackett: [00:48:01] but the chocolate cake versus the, uh, you know, the raw slice that you've made, you may stay leaner off the raw slice. It's going to take you a long time. That chocolate cake. What you talking about saves 50 people watching you ate chocolate cake. It's like, it's, you know what I mean?
Like it's, he's the toughest thing. And so the decision and the worst thing is it's like Josh, the decision you were the guy off social media. It's like, you've obviously come back on. Chocolate cake was too addictive for you at what is that? If you, if you are to make a decision. It's this too. This is the thing.
People are fearful that it will impact my career, my business, my life, my friendships. That's fucked that there is a fear in people, whether you will fear or it
Josh Janssen: [00:48:54] completely, we will. But what if it does it in a positive way? What if the relationships that you have have more value? What if the, you know, like what about if that time that, like, what about if anxiety.
For a large majority of people were created based on the thing that they H they hold every single day. And so the thing is that we consume stuff. We spend all of the time on the phone, and then we go to the fucking psychologists and we take medication. We do all this other stuff. It's like, hang out. Like, what about like, surely if we think about how impactful a phone is, if we think that if we actually think about it's like, okay, well, why don't we address.
The biggest impact in our life, which I think is the phone for a lot of people.
Jess Lucas: [00:49:44] Hmm. Yeah. Speaking of social media.
Josh Janssen: [00:49:47] Yeah. Uh, JBS just a Slack saying I think it's time for a blue tick.
Tommy Jackett: [00:49:53] Ask to get a blue tick on social media. Yeah. This is how you, how you get one.
Josh Janssen: [00:49:59] Great. But
Tommy Jackett: [00:50:01] where do you go from here?
Josh Janssen: [00:50:02] Well, so it's the information stuff.
So I think like, um, it's, it's identifying like, you are just like, you are what you wait, you are what you consume from a information perspective.
Mason Lauder: [00:50:15] Yeah. Order at your rating.
Josh Janssen: [00:50:16] Yeah. And so, yeah, I think that it's like going
Tommy Jackett: [00:50:19] through, instead of that, The 80 20 rule. Like if you're, if there is a 20% of chocolate shit that you do, wait, are you the 20% of shit that you ate?
Technically? I mean in the moment that you're having it, you are that, but it is effecting how many people while we're
Josh Janssen: [00:50:37] doing that. And so the thing is that it feels radical. I feel like at the moment that doing that 20% version would feel radical for anyone if they were doing it. So I think that doing that 80 20 sort of rule, if you were doing 20% social media, I think that most people would feel it in a big way in regards to like, Oh, I don't have the.
Like, if you say, okay, I'm going to only do a day a week, which is something that I was like doing for a bit, but it's just, so you have to, like, you have to constantly, you have to constantly push back, like society, jobs, everything is pushing for us to be there because it seems like. It's like, Urien a room and next door, you're hearing noise constantly hearing moment.
And so hearing laughter you're hearing all of this and it's very tempting to go out and see what's happening. And so I think that is I, um,
Tommy Jackett: [00:51:38] it's very true. But you said this week that, um, which was great, it was like the pain is the signal
Josh Janssen: [00:51:45] and that's exactly. And so this is the thing is it's like, if. If we're seeking Instagram or like using Instagram as the example, but this could be anything, anything that you do where you end up not feeling good.
How many things in your life are there? Like there are things that you constantly do and you always feel worse off based on it. It's like, well, how do you, how do you replace that? How do you say, okay, like in this moment, like it's only going to last a few seconds that like, Twitch to go and download Instagram or get it back on and just quickly check something.
Or for me, for so long, it was like the, um, uh, podcasts, analytics, like I would check podcasts analytics every half an hour. That'd be just like that. Just refresh.
Tommy Jackett: [00:52:33] What have you been doing this week? As in what's? If there's a, so the don't tours,
Josh Janssen: [00:52:38] it's like, uh, going, so I don't have Twitter on my phone, but I'll go into Chrome.
I'll go into Twitter. I don't follow Trump. But I'll search Trump and I'll click on his profile. And I'll just say what he's doing. Um, OzBargain is a big week
Tommy Jackett: [00:52:55] checking on your
Josh Janssen: [00:52:56] ankle. I was bagging. Yeah. So OzBargain is one that I'm sort of like, you're just scrolling, just like, well, what's the, what's the shit that I
Mason Lauder: [00:53:04] shit that you don't need, you want to buy,
Josh Janssen: [00:53:07] buy.
Right. And so there's, there's that I nearly bought fucking Voss bottles in bulk. I didn't, but I thought about it. Um, Yeah, just like, and this is the thing, like if I look at the, the Chrome tap, like I've got so many things in crime and I, this is me actively. Every, um, every couple of days I go through, I'm like, fuck, I've got all these tabs.
I close, close, close, close, close, like I've got, um, I was going to sign up to the new Yorker. I was looking at the tote bags. I'm a New York times I herb, which is the, um, the Cod liver oil. Uh, I'm looking at 4g routers. I'm looking at audio Technica, gooseneck microphones. I've got Twitter open. I've got our podcast analytics.
I've got the, um, article of the death of the pharmacy of Zappos, which is great. So
Tommy Jackett: [00:53:56] you're looking at initiatives, sorry.
Josh Janssen: [00:53:59] No, not just articles. Is this fucking like, um,
Tommy Jackett: [00:54:02] not that you're in crime. You're in crime. Crime. Yeah. And so the point being is. Not, it's not Tik TOK. Is the advice at the moment or Instagram?
Have you deleted Instagram or something?
Josh Janssen: [00:54:11] I still, like, I S if I look at my settings, I look at the time. I don't think I spend as much time on Instagram. Let's have a look. So a quick screen time audit if everyone can grab the screen time. Right? So screen time daily average is four hours and 31 minutes.
I'm down 26% percent from last week. What's up. Hey, Sally average,
Tommy Jackett: [00:54:37] sorry. Three hours, 55 minutes. Daily. Daily average. Yeah,
Mason Lauder: [00:54:43] I'm on I'm on two hours, 18. He's average daily average, 10, 11%. My most used is Safari with three hours and two minutes and Instagram with an hour 34 and then sausages. And then
Josh Janssen: [00:54:55] is this, wait, is this looking at your weight?
So the week, your weekly for me is four hours and 46 minutes on crime for the week, four hours and 42 minutes on Instagram, one hour 30, eight minutes on messages. One hour, five minutes on Google maps, 51 minutes on CommBank. That can't be fucking right. I haven't spent,
just fucking looking at the bank account.
Tommy Jackett: [00:55:25] Top four apps go around Jess top for it. Yeah. That's for your week. Do you know how to get that to you?
Jess Lucas: [00:55:30] And then
Tommy Jackett: [00:55:31] yeah, just go see more SWAT,
Jess Lucas: [00:55:33] sorry. Instagram messages, Safari. Real estate Spotify.
Josh Janssen: [00:55:39] What's your daily average for the week?
Jess Lucas: [00:55:42] Four hours and 17 minutes.
Josh Janssen: [00:55:44] Okay.
Tommy Jackett: [00:55:45] Coming in second, Jessica Lucas.
Josh Janssen: [00:55:47] And what are you TJ?
Tommy Jackett: [00:55:49] Uh, Oh, it was three 55, not far behind trailing behind Jessica Lucas, who I tell him jacket and come in. Um, Instagram.
Josh Janssen: [00:55:58] How many are you guys? How many notifications do you guys get a day?
Tommy Jackett: [00:56:03] W where did he say that picks up
Josh Janssen: [00:56:05] to the bottom
Mason Lauder: [00:56:06] a day or for the week?
Uh,
Josh Janssen: [00:56:08] or you can do, how do you do
Tommy Jackett: [00:56:09] what's a daily average daily
Jess Lucas: [00:56:11] average. Average is one 70,
Tommy Jackett: [00:56:14] Whoa, four for me,
Josh Janssen: [00:56:16] mine's one 25,
Tommy Jackett: [00:56:18] one. I saw
Mason Lauder: [00:56:19] 126 from messages.
Josh Janssen: [00:56:22] Yeah, 373.
Tommy Jackett: [00:56:27] That's crazy. You texting Mason, uh,
Mason Lauder: [00:56:30] just big on the text, you know, replace your Instagram, your texting instead.
Tommy Jackett: [00:56:34] Love it, love it.
Josh Janssen: [00:56:37] Um, yeah, it's interesting. Just a little, uh, the, the annoying thing is they feel like really big things, but you can only. Do very small things every day.
Tommy Jackett: [00:56:50] It's like
Mason Lauder: [00:56:51] one, one day a week on install, Instagram
Josh Janssen: [00:56:54] as a small
Mason Lauder: [00:56:55] step and see how you feel,
Tommy Jackett: [00:56:57] but
Mason Lauder: [00:56:57] that one's going to miss you for one day.
You're not gonna miss. I
Josh Janssen: [00:56:59] mean, the thing is I could, this is why, where I get caught up is I'm like, but I could delete it just for, I just, the good thing is I will delete it over Christmas and new year's. I've got no reason to have it up.
Tommy Jackett: [00:57:09] For that? How much do you trust yourself though? At that point? Like, I didn't have any time to be delayed.
I got it back.
Josh Janssen: [00:57:14] So the thing is the thing is, it's not like, I'm like, Oh, like it's not this like big thing where it's like all of a sudden it's fucking like midnight one night and it's like, I'm going to have the fucking chocolate and you just fucking semester chocolate cake for me. It's like, Did you do it, just doing it like a daily thing and you go into the fridge and you've got a fork and you like to take off a little bit of the cake, you start eating it.
And then before you know, it you're fucking back to eating cake. Like it's a, the funny thing is it's not like this off or on thing for me. It's just, I think that part of it is recognizing that the small moment of re downloading it is actually a big moment. And so when it's, when you can justify it in your head where it's like, Oh, I need to check, um, one trick Tony's Instagram.
Oh, just quickly, like download it. And it's like, ah, and then like fucking there's notifications. It's like, Oh, we've got, you know, like even think about the, um, yeah. Part of it's being a bit detached. Like for me, it's like looking at notifications and be like, Oh fuck, we've got a bunch of people adding us on the daily talk show or there's all these people are mentioning us for the Spotify rap thing.
It's like, ah, better. Like, this is a good thing to, and then, so you go in and do all that sort of shit. Um,
Tommy Jackett: [00:58:26] but I guess you gotta understand there's an addiction there. And so that's where it's like people who decide I kind of have cake in my house. They've actually worked it out.
Josh Janssen: [00:58:34] Like, yeah, it's being okay with the outcomes or whatever, I think as well, like it's the, um, they're all small.
I think it's actually easier in a lot of ways to just say hi, I'm not doing it. Would
Jess Lucas: [00:58:46] it be best if we all put a time limit on our apps on our Instagram.
Josh Janssen: [00:58:51] Right. Have you ever done that before, but then I just like fucking click next next, no, I just liked the idea of like, I actually, this was one of the first, one of the first times with the Apple announcements, with the 5g phones.
I was like, I don't need a new phone. Which is like, I really don't feel the, um, this sort of gear last, when it comes to school,
Mason Lauder: [00:59:17] the laptops though
Josh Janssen: [00:59:18] laptops are quite a bit the, um, the, yeah, the phones. I'm just like, I don't know. I don't really like air pods are pissing me off AirPods are annoying, like a fucking talking to people and Derek's like, yeah, I can hear you good for two seconds and then not good for the next two.
It's like fucking switching. It's like, yeah. Is that happening with you as well? I
Mason Lauder: [00:59:36] think yours are just
Josh Janssen: [00:59:38] crap. Is that happening with them? I just
Jess Lucas: [00:59:39] bought new ones as well. And I feel like mine is still not connecting
Tommy Jackett: [00:59:44] properly as much. So knowing those fucking chords, I still have gone back to the chord headphones every now and then.
It's really, it's fucking, it's very annoying. But, um, yeah, I don't know. There could be something like a, a, a break challenge. So we're, we're taking time off. It's like, if there's ever a time, like you're saying Josh, you're gonna disconnect you only, you truly know once it's been removed completely what the, what.
Yeah. Otherwise
Josh Janssen: [01:00:14] I think about like 20, 20 has been the year that we can see that when you remove things, when you radically change your life, you can actually completely change your mind on things. Think about people like if you know, grumps who thought that they had to be in the office every day, like I can work from home.
Yeah, definitely. All right. It's a daily talk show. I hope you enjoy your Sunday and we'll see you tomorrow. Guys. Have a good one.
Tommy Jackett: [01:00:40] Say
guys.