Unwinding

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 932. Happy Thursday, everybody. Fuck, this week is flying by.

Tommy: It is.

Josh: Feels like midnight. It does. Feels like midnight. I'm ready to party.

Tommy: Don't you think, like the seasons of Melbourne, you know, you have 4 seasons, 4 seasons in a day? I feel like At the moment, I can have 4 seasons of emotions in a day. I can go from fucking shit start to the day, then absolutely fired up to being absolutely exhausted.

Josh: Oh yeah, every gamut of emotion. It's, um, it is the human experience, my friend. What else? I mean, have— is there— has there ever been a day that you've, you've just had one, one emotion? I don't think it can happen. Because the littlest thing could shift it. Uh, bad burrito could absolutely set you off. Yeah, or it could change your life. And so action comes reaction, you know. Um, just— I want to reel off a few more Craig Harper quotes. Physiology changes psychology.

Tommy: Good.

Josh: So there's actually no way of getting around it. Even a yogi, even some meditation monk who's sitting in the Himalayas is experiencing different emotions based on— you can shift your whole state by thinking. Yeah, like think about, um, becoming sexual. You think about something sexual, it changes your state. Or you think about getting in a fight. Like, I remember going to sleep when I was younger and I was well into fighting, loved it, martial arts. But I was always thinking about like, what, street fight, what would happen? Sometimes it would get me so fired up, my heart rate was going because I was imagining a scenario. And I was like, that's not good. But then I would— I started to imagine other scenarios that weren't relating to, you know, things that would get my heart rate going. But it would, it would just get— I couldn't sleep then. So it's like more thought is not the key, but thought will change how you change your state to some degree.

Tommy: Do you want to play a game? It's cool.

Josh: Do you want to play, um, what is it?

Tommy: No, what were you going to say?

Josh: There's a game that Bodie and I are playing every morning, but do you want to go your game?

Tommy: I'll go my game first.

Josh: Yeah, great.

Tommy: Uh, guess Josh's heart rate right this moment. Right this moment. Yeah.

Josh: Oh, I reckon it's sitting at like 88.88.

Tommy: It is. 8 minutes ago it was 74. Yeah, it's measuring right now. It's 67 right now.

Josh: Are you asleep? Are you— what's going on?

Tommy: What do you reckon yours is? I mean, you can't like— it's a flex like an Apple Watch. I mean, you have to count it out, which I don't want you to have to do.

Josh: A resting heart rate is, uh, is normal between 60 to 100 beats per minute, mate. If you're resting at over 90, Yeah, something's going on. Yeah, that's good.

Tommy: I think that's good.

Josh: Can you cheque how low it's gone?

Tommy: Oh yeah, yeah, maybe.

Josh: Oh, it'd be interesting to know during your sleep. I mean, you were out drinking the other night. I wonder if you were fired. I mean, you weren't out drinking, you went out for dinner and had a drink.

Tommy: But so my indoor— sorry, my resting, resting rate, that's 66. Um, yes, so resting rate is 66 today.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Um, and my walking average is 100. That's good. I did— with my indoor cycling, my beats per minute average was 138. The highest it got to was 171.

Josh: Yep, 70, 80, 90. Recovery—

Tommy: mine, I don't understand what this means. Recovery minus 1 beats per minute after 1 minute and minus 21 beats per minute after 2 minutes.

Josh: Yeah, don't understand it either.

Tommy: Um, what do you do to unwind? What do you do like in the evenings to unwind?

Josh: God, it depends what state you're in, because if you're, you know, if you, if you were in an overly stimulated, overly stimulated mind mood I don't think necessarily, you know, one thing I do one night's gonna work.

Tommy: And so, well, what's your evening habits like?

Josh: What's been happening?

Tommy: Yeah, what have you been doing?

Josh: I tell you what, I mean, Amy's, Amy's, um, been going to bed quite early. She's pretty tuck it out. And I, uh, I've been enjoying watching what I want.

Tommy: Oh, what do you want? Netflix.

Josh: Oh, I mean, over the weekend I was just watching John Wick, number 1 again for the 17th time.

Tommy: You got Amazon Prime?

Josh: Got Amazon Prime, mate. I tell you what, another thing, uh, very, very good. I know you won't like it. I didn't think I would like it. The Mandalorian. The Mandalorian. Do you know what it is?

Tommy: No, it's something to do with Star Wars.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Wasn't a fan of Star Wars. But to be honest, I don't mind Star Wars now. I just watched a bit over the weekend. Bodhi wanted to watch it. It's weird what Bodhi's into.

Tommy: How does Bodhi even know about it?

Josh: It's costumes, clothes, ushies. It's all sent, like they, it's all Disney now. So, it's like they are churning out the merch, but he's onto it. So, The Mandalorian is set Beyond, so it's after Star Wars and the graphics, the direction, the directors, the writing, it's fucking next level. Like—

Tommy: It's on Netflix?

Josh: No, no, no, it's on Disney.

Tommy: Disney, okay.

Josh: Yeah, and so they release one a week every Saturday or every Friday night. And it's nice because it's, I mean, some parents wouldn't let their 3.5-year-olds watch it. But we do, and he loves it. I reckon he loves it more than me, to be honest. But I'm just— it's one of those things you're watching, you're like, but they've absolutely nailed this. They've got all the old transitions that they used in Star Wars, like real corny, tacky, like open, you know, like circles opening up to a new scene. And just— but like, it's, it's all a homage. I mean, George Lucas helped in the making, like he's on set for a bunch of it. There's a great doco behind the scenes with a, um, Jon Favreau, who also wrote and directed and starred in— maybe he's directed— but Iron Man. He's written a bunch of Marvel stuff, and he's one of the creators of it, along with— I'm sure George Lucas was a part of it— but he's phenomenal. And he sits down around this table, and what they've done for the whole season is They've done 2 seasons. They get, um, 5 directors, I think it is. So there's a New Zealand guy who's done, um, like all the Thor films, and then you've got a woman who is an actor and also director. She was in Black Mirror, um, done it. And what they do is they rotate between the directors, and each one of them has a storey of their connection to Star Wars and how much they love it or whatever it is. And so they They've just nailed it. It's phenomenal. It's really good.

Tommy: I've never watched Star Wars.

Josh: No.

Tommy: And I feel like it's that thing of, I've mentioned it before, it's been hyped so much.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: It'd be very hard to meet the expectation.

Josh: So, I've found the hack. Total lack of respect I had for Star Wars. It's a weird thing when you don't respect something that everybody like is, so much fanfare, you know, fanfare over. Isn't that weird? Like, so you like, you're either real basic and you can't get your head around it, or it's the other way around. Yeah, but, um, watching The Mandalorian, being into that, and then I'm actually now more curious and respectful of Star Wars. It's a weird thing because it's— JJ, you'd like Mandalorian based on just understanding how the camera stuff's going. It's like you can't fault it other than when they're just, it's like in space and it's a black background. There's some sort of plane zooming past. But I mean, there's a lot of history to Star Wars that you start respecting, like the scenes where they filmed and it was all miniature, but they shot it and it was, and it looks phenomenal. Like it looks real life, but it's shot.

Tommy: Like all these lens tricks and stuff.

Josh: Lens tricks and yeah, it's very, Very, very cool. But that's what I've been doing to relax a little bit. There's something about just watch what I want, you know?

Tommy: How long does it go for?

Josh: Oh, Mandalorian's an hour, but you know, I've been watching it.

Tommy: Turning it on at what time, 9 o'clock or what?

Josh: Oh, for that, not as much by myself, but for the John Wick, yeah, I'm starting at 8:45.

Tommy: What time are you going to bed?

Josh: Oh, I've gone to bed some nights at 11. Just got through a few, got through a few, you know, back to Jason Bourne.

Tommy: You're eating while you, while you're watching?

Josh: No, because I'm being lean.

Tommy: Yeah, sure, being lean.

Josh: Maybe an icy pole, a sugar-free icy pole. Oh, that'd be no nasties. Yeah, no nasties. But, um, I'll tell you the game and we'll get back to how you unwind. But for Bodhi and I and Amy, it's, uh, we're big on rhyming at the moment. And so we go, you know, yeah, he loves it. He says, what about bottle? Throttle.

Tommy: I mean, that's pretty good. Do you know that there's actually a website? So I was trying to find— I was using a word incorrectly today and Jess was laughing at me. It was pissing me off. I would actually— if anyone can help me, the word is— what I'm trying to describe is let's do the posts like rather than posting everything at once, let's break it up. And the word that I use That's what I said. Let's stagnate. And she laughed at me. So stagnate, I think, means to stop. What's the definition of stagnate?

Josh: Cease to flow or move, become stagnant. So stagnant, stagnate, start, stop, start, stop.

Tommy: Is that what they're saying?

Josh: Well, it says— saying to stop, uh, cease to flow or move, become stagnant, cease developing, become inactive or dull.

Tommy: So, it's not stagnate, but you said the exact same word.

Josh: Yeah, yeah. It's what I thought.

Tommy: And so, I went on to— I was trying to work out what it was and there was a site. So, I started off with a thesaurus and so, I was like, break up and then looking at all the words and clicking through, couldn't find it there. And then I found a site that did, it's a rhyming site. So, I put in stagnate and then I found all these other words.

Josh: Magnet.

Tommy: Breastplate.

Josh: Magnet.

Tommy: Magnet.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Yeah. So anyway, well, that's good.

Josh: I mean, what about orange? That's what I always throw at Bodhi, see if he can get that one back, because it was always the, you can't rhyme anything with orange.

Tommy: Yeah, I've just looked it up.

Josh: Oh yeah, there is a word. They've brought—

Tommy: it's—

Josh: I reckon it's literally the first thing you type in when you say what rhymes with— no, blorange. Blorange. Um, hang on. What rhymes with orange? Blorange. And it's like something, um, some— what rhymes? It sounds like a dumb word that you've just made up, like Bodhi does, um, half the time he's making up shit.

Tommy: Uh, it is a good game though, good way of building up your vocab.

Josh: Yeah. Oh, 100%. And then we said to him, Bodhi, what rhymes— because he's obsessed with poo— we said, what rhymes with poo? And he said, shit.

Tommy: "Shoe" would have also been acceptable.

Josh: Shoe, shit.

Tommy: But Rob said "shoe." Shit.

Josh: It was very clever. I paid him.

Tommy: So, you're doing this. So, it's a formal game that you play every day?

Josh: We've been doing it in the mornings. He runs in, jumps on the bed, and then we start. I got into it in the car last night. I love it. I love it. And he wants to play it. So, it's actually fun for adults, fun for everybody.

Tommy: Have you worked out—

Josh: There's a website.

Tommy: Have you worked out any more things that you're going to do on your road trip to Sydney?

Josh: Other than getting to destination and having some beers at the pub, which I feel like is a nice, you know, celebration of holidays, being able to drink beers and stay in a crummy motel is the best thing ever. No, I was just thinking, you know, like talking about unwinding, you could think holidays are unwinding. And then you start looking at, like I said to Amy yesterday, can you please send me Cal invites of all your things? 'Cause to be honest, the holiday up to Sydney is really Amy's time. Because it's, you know, her mates are all up there. She's got priority, you know, I can go and see friends down here. I've got that luxury. Um, her besties are all up there. So by the time I'm looking, I'm like, what days do I have? But I do enjoy it. Like, it's— it is the vibe of it. But it is a trap though to fill out your holiday back to back, and then is it really a holiday, or is it— is it a version of unwinding? Hey, I mean, maybe it is for some.

Tommy: I mean, look at Sev's— he's going to be, um headed to WA, a lot of firsts, a lot of, you know, meeting Grace's mum. Like, there's a lot of things happening if you think about it that he's going to be doing. Maybe, yes, it could be somewhat relaxing, but also a little bit stressful. Grace's brother's wedding. Like, there's a lot going on.

Josh: Oh, imagine how many times he's going to reel off the storey of, you know, how'd you guys meet?

Tommy: Well, apparently Grace was saying that when he talks about what he does for work, he has like a few tics. Like he's not stressed at all until someone says, oh, like, what do you do?

Josh: Why can't he answer that? What's, uh, do we need to tell people?

Tommy: I don't know, it seems like maybe it's complicated.

Josh: Yeah, because the next minute he's into IAB 2.0 compliant and he's talking about He's talking about Airtable and the systems. It's, um, I mean, what— it is a funny thing. What if he says, hey, hey, yeah, what do you do? I'm a podcast producer. Maybe he's worried about everything that he says actually is interesting for someone to then ask a follow-up question.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Whereas you can hide. Like, I've decided not to explain sometimes specific things about what I do because I'm like, I don't want to— I can't be Fucked. Yeah, it's like, yeah, what do you have to come across as sarcastic?

Tommy: Like, I was at a family thing the other day and one of the family members said, oh, you and Bree will buy a house soon, won't you? I said, yeah, we're going to buy 20. We might actually just buy a whole estate. And just like, no one, like, no one, no, everyone looked and they're like, I don't know, like, what does that mean? But it just, it stopped the convo. It was fucking awesome. I was like so proud of myself.

Josh: Josh is doing well. That big media company must be doing real well.

Tommy: Are there any questions that, like, yeah, what are the common— what's the, the common 3 questions that you'll get?

Josh: What are you doing?

Tommy: Christmas? Okay. Yeah.

Josh: Um, how's, how's work going? And, um, oh God, that—

Tommy: I mean, it's got to be a lot of COVID banter.

Josh: Oh, yes, yes. So, oh, how was the lockdown?

Tommy: I mean, you're going to Sydney, especially Sydney, and to Perth too.

Josh: There's a lot of like, oh, that lockdown's crazy, wasn't it? Yeah, a lot of, a lot of that. What else is there? I mean, fuck, I'm just trying to think about— Amy's family's great. She's got, you know, you get a couple of people in the family that you really end up bantering with. Um, so I've got them. We talk, we talk about bridges. I like to get I like to get interviewy. I might tell me, like, I like to get— forget me, I like to understand. I was asking, so Amy's uncle is an engineer, and, you know, he's been— he was telling me the history of the Sydney Harbour Bridge and that type of bridge and how it's there and the types of bolts that are in and the way that they were put in back then, and they're starting to rust and And then next minute we just, I'm like, mate, when are they, do you reckon they'll have to take it down ever? Like, well, they have to replace all of the bolts in it because the way they put them in was these fucking, this old school method that can rot the inside, especially with the sea.

Tommy: Oh no.

Josh: The sea. And so what this is, this is the trick. I mean, it takes effort, but it definitely takes the effort out of you needing to reveal who you are. Go hard, find a quirk or find something they're obsessed with, this person, whoever they are. Profession. And it's about the right person too, because then not everyone will want to do this, but you find the right person, mate, you've got an hour of podcast. You've got a real solid hour of a podcast.

Tommy: I definitely do that too. I think it, yeah, it's the gravitate to someone that's obsessed with something and then just drill them on it.

Josh: Next minute, what's your biggest challenge? What else?

Tommy: Aviation always seems to be one. There's always someone that's sort of either a pilot or does something in aviation.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like that. Um, I mean, yeah, just anyone who's got just something that you don't know. Oh yeah, one time Amy's auntie— this is great. So this is where I have to— I'm, you know, like, it's— I'm newish to the family. I'm only 6, 6 years in, I think. 7 years, 6 years. I mean, we got to it pretty quickly, as in me meeting the family, because we were doing the remote long-distance stuff, the remote relationship. Remote relationship. But Amy's auntie was telling me about, she works in a hospital where people with mental illness, you know, reside. She was talking about a murder, and I went deep on this sort of— it's fine, it's like well known. This, this person in the hospital, um, uh, was maybe— I might— this might be out of school— sleeping with somebody, a patient, and then murdered the patient, cut the body up. But then they found like, oh, it was this full investigation, and then she's still in prison today., and then I was Googling the person. I was like, oh my God, this is her! And she used to work directly with her. Hi, Karen! Fucking yeah, hi! Why does Karen always get used? It's the go-to.

Tommy: I mean, yeah, we've turned into a crime podcast. It does sound— it was really—

Josh: I mean, yeah, some serious shit. Serious shit. So I mean, that, or just, um, just get really drunk and go mute. Just in the corner.

Tommy: Yeah, I think the, um—

Josh: oh, sorry, another one. Talking vaccines one year with Amy's uncle who's a doctor, which was great. Just like, mate, so tell me, these anti-vaxxers, what, you know, what's the deal? And then he's telling me about studies that were done and how a paper had to be retracted from a— that was written, that basically is the backbone of most of the anti-vaxxers. Arguments, but it got retracted because it wasn't true, blah, blah, blah. It got through. Anyway, fascinating. I mean, this is— That's how people— What about Christmases?

Tommy: Like, I heard a storey of someone whose like family member got sick and died, or maybe they didn't die, they got really sick from a vaccine and was like fucked up, like had issues the whole life. And that person's an anti-vaxxer. It's like, I feel for them because it's like, if you've had a close family member whose life has been really severely impacted, yeah, through some sort of, um, you know, uh, adverse effect—

Josh: fuck, we roll the dice with so many things in life. Yeah, pills you pop, things you snort, you know, food you eat. Like, seriously, think about the, the the little questions you ask about a lot of things. Definitely there's been people that have, you know, had the worst of the possibilities. So it's like, yeah, taking a vaccine, taking any medication, it's like it's not guaranteed. Like, they're still always outlining potential things, dude. Bodybuilder, you know, a year, a year and a bit ago, choked on food, died. Like, he's like, that's his job, he's to eat food and train. And then, so sad, so sad. Anyway, anyway, um, yeah, good one.

Tommy: Oh well, I'm fucking exhausted. It's getting, it's getting to the, um, you know, I mean, it's only fucking December 3rd and I'm, I'm feeling it, but I feel like It's gonna fly. Took what, a couple of weeks and everyone's bloody taking off. Imagine, I'm feeling for anyone that's working over the Christmas break. If you're working over the Christmas break, I hope you have a relaxing one.

Josh: Or you've had the whole year off and you just landed in Melbourne.

Tommy: But don't you think that it's like, again, maybe they're loving it. Maybe there's someone—

Josh: I know, I know. But what I, it's the framing. If you do work over summer, you have to frame it to yourself some way. Other— I know what you mean though. In Australia there's a vibe, there's a vibe because we're lucky that a lot of people take time off and a lot of businesses are forced to close down or they force their staff to take leave. And, and so yeah, I'm in tune. I mean, I'm fucking 32, I've had 32 years of, you know—

Tommy: Have you ever had a summer job?

Josh: No, that'd be silly.

Tommy: You never did?

Josh: I worked all year. I worked all year. No, I never— I mean, summer jobs probably would have happened if you weren't working. Remember, I left school when I was 17 and started working, and so before that I'd work weekends. So, I mean, it's not that I haven't had a job, but I could imagine kids that go, you know, doing school, actually focused on getting an education, then have time in the summer to want to do something like that. But it's too fun, mate, too fun down the Brighton Baths. You know, down the pool.

Tommy: Oh man, I'm excited. I'm fucking—

Josh: What's your heart rate right now? Can we get a check-in?

Tommy: Yeah, I'll tell you, I am fucking— I think it's the bike. Not to bring up the bike, but no, it's not.

Josh: It's tiredness. I was literally watching my friend's girlfriend talk on Instagram storeys last night, yawning. My friend Kel— yeah, um, yell. My friend Kel's miso was talking about— 88. Yeah, you're fired up. Iron deficiency, not to throw it out there, but iron deficiency if you're yawning a lot, which I— she's a, some kind of, you know, Instagram doctor, naturopath, something like that. Yeah, she's got some qualification that I was like, that's fascinating. I'm fucking— next time I'm yawning, I'm gonna think about my iron. So, um, maybe you're iron deficient. Maybe you should go get your bloods done because you're an athlete.

Tommy: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I need to get my bloods done. I actually got a fucking— because remember we did last year the, um, testosterone test at this time, and so they'd put it in the calendar to contact me in a year's time to get them redone, but I'd completely forgotten about it. So they called me, it's like, oh hey, like, yeah, Dr. Blah Blah wants to get your bloods done. I haven't been to the Doctor, I think it's worth it because it's—

Josh: you go in with the approach of like, yeah, it's for health. You actually just want to optimise what you may be low or high, whatever. Yeah, versus you're feeling something bad and then you're going in. That's when it's like, it's, you know, no good.

Tommy: I mean, the thing is, I feel like I must be tired if I can't even fake it. Don't you think? Like, normally, like, you know, when you can bring an energy— I can't even bring an energy right now, right? I mean, it's a direct doctor.

Josh: 3 weeks Mason was just doing this. Oh yeah, that's true.

Tommy: That's very true. That's very true. Hiding a yawn. I've been getting up early though. That's the other problem.

Josh: It's like, oh no, you've—

Tommy: I get up at fucking—

Josh: Set me off.

Tommy: I get— I, uh, if you're yawning, send us an email. Hi@thedailystalker.com.

Josh: But, uh, I did that with Shepard and Josh. 13, 10, 60. Does this yawn, you know, come through the phone? Do you catch it? Got heaps of calls.

Tommy: Good gear. Alrighty, well, enjoy the rest of your day, guys, and we'll see you tomorrow. Have a good one.

Josh: See you guys.