Exercise & Habits

Tommy: The Daily Talk Show.

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 923.

Tommy: What is going on? What are you drinking, Josh Janson?

Josh: I have a coffee. It's an almond cappuccino from Coffee and Office in— Just on Smith Street. Lovely establishment. Oh, nice.

Tommy: I tell you what, it's not the coffee that's going to kill me because I'm not drinking it. It's not drinking it. That's going to kill me.

Josh: It's the lack of sleep or something. You keep saying that it feels like midnight, which was my gear. I used to always walk around the office, and when I was a bit depressed, I'd say, does anyone else feel like it's midnight right now? Anyone else want a nap?

Tommy: For a guy that hadn't been up at midnight in 6 months.

Josh: It's a real morale killer though, isn't it?

Tommy: Just, guys, how is everyone saying you're tired?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Is— do you think saying you're tired in a team setting is a morale killer?

Josh: Especially at 10 AM. Yeah. Don't you think? Or do you think it brings everyone together?

Tommy: Well, it depends. If you're trying to sort of fake it until you wake it. Fake it until you wake it.

Josh: It's funny.

Tommy: Fake it until you wake it. That's when you wake up, you're like, guys, I'm good. You're yawning inside. That's the sensation inside. There's actually— yawns feel great. Let's be honest.

Josh: Yeah. But also, faking it, like, I think that we can all see through the faking. If someone's tired and someone's trying to fake it, I can see it. Like, oh, you're just tired.

Tommy: Well, it's you on LinkedIn after a few drinks.

Josh: Yes.

Tommy: You know those endorsements? Exactly. Absolutely fake. No, no, no. I am— No, I feel I'm actually just been training a bit more over—

Josh: That's good.

Tommy: Well, 2 days in a row I've been, you know, hitting the outdoor gym. It's nice to be able to just walk down now with no mask on. I actually didn't take a mask off.

Josh: Oh, the outdoor gym, not as in your backyard, but as in like a playground.

Tommy: Yeah, there's a, it's a, I mean, I got there yesterday and it was an absolute playground. These two 5-year-olds just playing on the exercise equipment. I mean, it's cute, it's cute. The dad was there, he looked like he was on a business call, giving me a bit of a nod. I nearly knocked his kid out with just moving my body. Just like doing a sort of torso twist, nearly KO'd the kid. And it was all right, but I feel a bit tired from that, which is nothing to complain about. But the reason I'm kind of, I found, I think it's weird where you sort of discover a little motivation and sometimes you find a bit of motivation in a little bit of self-hate, you know, just not too much.

Josh: That's all my motivation. Where else do you get it from?

Tommy: As Jeff Jowett, who used to own Body Trim, he's been on the show a couple of times. He says it needs to sting a little to make change.

Josh: Oh, that's, yeah, that's so true, isn't it?

Tommy: It needs to sting a little.

Josh: Catching yourself in the mirror.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Or just putting on those pants that you were wearing pre-losing.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or if in his case, it's alcohol that he, that's his vice and he doesn't drink anymore. But if you're a fuckwit on alcohol and you ruin a friendship because of it, it's stinging. And it might be what tips you over the edge to make the change you need. And so I'll tell you how I've got to the point of it stinging a little.

Josh: Oh, great.

Tommy: And committed to making some change. Nothing other than just move more, eat less. I tell you what, If you're a guy who has a hairy chest, like real hairy, I'm talking gorilla hairy, that's me. Like I've got a real hairy chest and I guess you do too.

Josh: Different type of hair though. We're both hirsute.

Tommy: Definitely.

Josh: But yeah, yours is maybe a little bit more sort of gorillary in sort of style, whereas mine's like sort of just like pubes on my—

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, the guy from Star Wars, the long-haired sort of face hair, like it's almost straight. Like my chest hair is like quite straight.

Josh: But you do straighten it every morning.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Josh: You've got it.

Tommy: I'm up at 4.

Josh: It smells like bird hair at your joint.

Tommy: But I took a shaver, not a foam shaver, like an electric shaver, and I shaved off my entire chest and stomach hair. And I tell you what, it's hiding some stuff, that hair. It's hiding. It's hiding. It's hiding what you look like. Well, I've done it before, but it just really stung this time.

Josh: It's the big reveal.

Tommy: It's the big reveal. I tell you what, mate, it just made me a bit sad, but just a bit angry, a bit, you know, just, you're pathetic. You're just, you're an absolute pathetic person.

Josh: Where were you? Were you in the shower doing it? Lucky the shaver's waterproof, so any tears wouldn't affect.

Tommy: Mate, Mate, it would— we would be needing a plumber. I went outside.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: I did it outside and then I went back inside to have a look.

Josh: Do you reckon it's blown everywhere? So, like, there's, um—

Tommy: Oh, definitely.

Josh: A bunch of neighbours go, what's connected? Like, what's stuck on the— Yeah, yeah. Just walking. Good morning, every— What is that? I think there's—

Tommy: Doris, what's in my coffee?

Josh: Is there a dead cat?

Tommy: No, it looked like— It looked like—

Josh: I think a fox has gotten to some some sort of animal. This is—

Tommy: it looked like a small marsupial had been eaten by a fox. No doubt, no joke, dude.

Josh: And so ripped apart. So you shaved your breasts, your pecs?

Tommy: I actually still— I've got some shape still. Look, dude, I mean, you put in as many years, you take steroids when you're young, you hope that you've still got a fucking bit of shape on your body.

Josh: But doesn't that— doesn't steroids give you breasts?

Tommy: No, no, no, no. What you're talking about is gyno, which is an effect when you come off the steroids. I think this— I mean, this is bro science, which was— yeah, you know, I was consulting a professional bro science guy who gave me the steroids. But no, no, when you come off, there's like an imbalance of oestrogen and it can sort of develop.

Josh: So what are you trying to do? So what's your Because I feel the December where everyone's going to be relaxing, that's where I'm like, oh my bike, you know, and it's feeling good, feeling good.

Tommy: The whole thing is like I've taken a leaf out of our book, which was get in earlier. December 1st we were getting in, but then I was like, today, like, I was asking the question, which is so basic, is do I need this or do I want this?

Josh: And it's all surrounding me.

Tommy: Do I need this or do I want this? Do I need it, meaning am I actually starving? Have I not had anything today? And is it actually going to fill me? So I've just been asking some of these questions, but I'm just trying to build that momentum. But yeah, find something that stings. And it doesn't have to be— I'll tell you the one caveat around this stuff is I've got the best mental state in terms of my appearance on my body that I've ever had. Like, think about me as a 19-year-old dude, weightlifting, trying to, like, it's all driven for vanity, right? It's all just so I fucking look better. I didn't, wasn't thinking about health. I felt good, I felt good, but it's the wrong mindset to get into it, I think. Or it's just, it was what it was for that time. And so in saying that it stings a bit is more just like, you know what, I actually, oh, here's one thing, this is one thing. I want— when I go away for Christmas, the thing about if you haven't been training, exercising, is that you absolutely just get fucking destroyed from a small workout and it's not as fun. And so when you actually have built a small base of fitness or strength, training becomes more fun. And that's the hardest bit, getting through that. So if you haven't trained for 20 years and then you decide I'm going to start fucking training, there's some hell that you go through at the start. Not to scare you off, but it is like just being able to pump out your 20 push-ups, which most people can't do.

Josh: So, I was watching on YouTube, on YouTube there's a YouTuber that's turned into sort of this fitness person and she does these workouts and I look at them, I'm like, is that— It seems pretty simple because where I get stuck is in complexity, where it's like too many things at once. But like she just sort of like jumps and then she has like her weights and jump. Yeah, yeah, jump. I can do that. Even, yeah, burpees. I think I could be the burpees guy because the burpees is essentially falling down and getting back up, falling down, getting back up.

Tommy: No, I think you've— I think you— whilst engaging the core, things look simple. Yeah, but they're hard. Burpees destroy people.

Josh: But maybe that's where you know, like, because for me I almost like, I see it, I'm like, surely that's not— that seems too easy.

Tommy: No, I know, but the thing—

Josh: but that's even what I was even surprised when we trained, how much resting with— like, I know that you weren't going too hard to start with. Yeah, but there is— you sort of do some weights. Yeah. And then you, you sort of— you're what, you're, you're spotting your mate while you do it. Like, it's not crazy It's, it's, yeah, it's slower than you think.

Tommy: But the thing is, if you train this— that is, that you've hit the nail on the head. I used to train people like that, slowly build them in, and then they build a base level of strength, and then you can absolutely— it's more fun, to be honest. Like, it's actually more fun because what you're talking about is the high movement is like, keeps your mind going. Like, I'm on to the next thing, next thing, next thing. I'm not stopping. The thing is, someone who's starting out can't handle it. They could, they might mentally, but it would just physically destroy you and you wouldn't want to come back in. And so there is something about the—

Josh: What's amazing about the fun, and this is why I love about my— not to push, you know, the bike narrative too much. Which you don't have. I don't have. We sold the other bike though, the exercise bike.

Tommy: Oh, for the price that you set it for on Gumtree?

Josh: Yeah, $200. $199. They gave $200, which is great. We paid $370 for it, I think.

Tommy: Did you list it as $199?

Josh: Bree did. I'm not in charge. I'm sure that it gives— I think it gives recommendations, maybe.

Tommy: But then Bree's 100-plus, you know, under $200 category.

Josh: But it's a classic case where it's like, um, the doorbell rings. Bree's like, oh, it's the guy picking up thing. I'm like, look, I can't deal with this. Like, it's just— so I took the bike out of my office, put it into the lounge room, and I said, if you need me, scream. And I just— and I went into the office and closed the door and just got my laptop out, like, okay, what am I gonna do, do some emails or something? And it was so quick. And Bree was like— she was shocked.

Tommy: And Bree was gone.

Josh: Yeah, yeah. Bree was shocked. She was like, they were so normal, it was so easy. And the other thing is, she said, he was a little bit. You could tell that this was all new to him too, but they just took the whole bike and we don't know how, like, how are they getting it home?

Tommy: What's more awkward, young kids on their first date or two people who have never done a Gumtree purchase?

Josh: I think the Gumtree stuff is pretty, um, you know, pretty awkward. But then Bri was like, oh, was it— is it like, did we rip them off? Like, is this like— is it fair? I'm like, it's fine, like, it's all good. How much did you pay for it? $370, we sold it for $200. And so the thing is, you know, it's unused. I know, and that's the thing. I said, it's like there was a time where we got it and we're like, oh, this is okay. We knew it wasn't that great, but it's for the guy's daughter who, um, you know, might be doing some sort of training or whatever, or, you know, might be into sports. This is a great— like the coach has said, okay everyone, you need to be doing some form of cardio during the break just to keep your fitness up. It's a perfect $200 bike. It's great.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, you're always looking for what, what you pay, what was paid for it, how old it is, and how much you're paying now. And that is a bargain.

Josh: And so that, that worked out, uh, very well. No, but so my point is, I think the fun element gets under underplayed. And so what I think is that PTs will commonly say like, ah, you know, like, come on guys, you got to make it fun. Like, yeah, it's gonna be fun. They're not fun. Like, the PT's not fun. Not fun people. Why are we giving people that aren't fun, why are we putting them in charge of fun? So I think some people do, some people really get around it. Yeah, and I get it, but I think that If what I like about the bike is they're not a— they're training me, but they're a cyclist and they're like, oh, okay, like, look over here and see this thing and do like— I just feel that it's not— I think I'm too triggered by PTs. I've got to remind you of when I was 18 years old and I did a Contra deal, right? Filmed a PT and he would eat a Magnum ice cream and then do a workout to show how much it would take to burn that amount of calories.

Tommy: How much?

Josh: It was a lot. And so I just filmed the whole thing. And the annoying thing, like I was filming all this stuff and then I just couldn't bring myself to use the training sessions. And so it just, I've had this so many times. I even, I was paying for a gym membership and then the PT started asking me about wanting to set up a Kickstarter campaign for something. I just always get dragged into the dumb entrepreneurial, good on them, good on them for doing stuff. But I just like, I just don't need the drama. I don't need, Before you know it, I'm like on the weekends filming their fucking CrossFit Olympics. You know, that's where I feel like it ends up going, you know.

Tommy: I've actually—

Josh: filming their fucking Survivor entry. Just fucking stop it.

Tommy: There is a certain type that is a PT. I think like there is a, um, what do you call it, like a, um, not an archetype, a, um The type of person that embody— that becomes a PT, it's like stereotypical person, stereotypical PT. Think about them. It's pretty common. Like, I've worked in multiple gyms and it's always— it's got the person you're talking about. But I think that is the problem when it mixes with you, infamously awkward, and what happens when those two collide in a setting like that. So you've got the status of a trainer who gets to tell you what to do, which you don't like, and then you have you who ends up just going along with it.

Josh: I had one little guy, one guy changed his name. I've had like 6 PTs in my life or whatever. One guy changed his name by default to almost like a wrestling name. It's like you can't make this shit up. I won't say the name because that will reveal who it is. Conan. Yes, he had like this, you know, top dog name. And do you know what? They all say the same shit to me. They're all like, you know what, I like to focus on movement, we're gonna fix your back, we're gonna— we're just gonna— and you know what? They end up fucking my back up more. It's always like, I go to the sports doc, I'm like, why were they getting you to do kettlebell swings? You fucked your back. And so, yeah, I understand that everyone's doing their best.

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: But yeah, if, if anyone has pushback to PTs or gyms You're not alone. And so, I think that it's trying to work out what like the element is, the fun. Like, what can you do that is fun? I think for me, it needs to be wrapped around technology. So, I need to have all the, you know, like I've got the Wi-Fi connected scales. Yeah. Those type of things. What?

Tommy: You have those?

Josh: Yeah. Yeah.

Tommy: What does that mean? Wi-Fi connected scales? I got them.

Josh: So, there was— I've actually had 2 in my life. So, I had one by Wee Things, W-I-I Things, or maybe one I, can't remember. But also just a correction, I'd been saying Everybody Feed Phil yesterday, the Netflix show, it's actually called Somebody Feed Phil, not everybody, but he was the EP of Everybody Loves Raymond. That's where the confusion was. But yeah, Wee Things started with that, but then got a Fitbit when I was selling all those Fitbits years ago through Melbourne Geek. I bought a Fitbit scale and, yeah, was measuring my weight, but I haven't done like— It's all these things are a bit of a clusterfuck when it comes to connecting it to the Wi-Fi, doing the initial setup. I used to have it set up, the wee things would tweet every time I weighed myself. Yeah. It's a bit obnoxious. And so, yeah, I want to— The whole technology thing, bring it all into the apps, tracking everything, seeing all, like I do love that idea.

Tommy: Would you get an implant? Like if there was something that you could get? Like a— No, not a chest implant. Not a pec implant or a calf implant or a six-pack implant.

Josh: Yeah, definitely. Yeah, if I could get like a glucose monitor, definitely. Like if— Because there's all that sort of stuff around like glucose, like eating around your blood sugar levels, making sure, seeing what responds to different things. I'll definitely get around that.

Tommy: I mean, it's like how the people are already doing it. They're putting little things into their, their body to track shit. It's, it's a bit freaky. I mean, you say you'd do that, but would you take the coronavirus vaccine?

Josh: Yeah, I mean, the thing, you know, I, I would. I feel like, um, life is a big experiment in a lot of ways, right?

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And so you know what you're you know, there's heaps of shit we don't know if there's gonna give us cancer and all that sort of thing. But then there's all like risk and reward. Yeah, I got big into the, um, the DEXA scan stuff, which we've spoken about a bunch, which is, you know, body composition shows you exactly, you know, where, you know, the fat and muscle, like lean muscle, all that sort of thing.

Tommy: Yeah, um, it is good. I mean, there is a version for me that I feel it can become like— that it can complicate shit for me. And so, and then I pass out.

Josh: But we think differently. So, this is the thing. If we've discovered anything, you and I are motivated by extremely different things. So, I'm the guy that for 2 and a half years would look at analytics every single day on YouTube and on, you know, on Simplecast, our podcast, like all of these different things. And so, it's like there's an element where PTs will say, don't overthink it. But anything that's ever worked for me has been completely overthought. And by not overthinking it, I don't actually get into that obsessive— Like, I'm either in or out. I need to sort of— And so, if I don't get into that obsessive state where I'm like watching all the videos and, you know, doing spreadsheet stuff, I'm not going to be, you know, engaged. I need to be engaged. In the process.

Tommy: Maybe you've just had the wrong PTs because there are some really good ones that are analytical like that.

Josh: They feel like Durham would be great.

Tommy: Durham's awesome, friend of ours. He, um, likes to track shit. Like, there is just some quality ones. The problem is you'd pay a lot of money. Like anything, you end up paying.

Josh: Well, I've got my bike now, so I think if I do—

Tommy: you've paid for your PT.

Josh: Yeah. And so if I do, you know, 2 sessions a day, 2 45-minute sessions you know, 1 in the morning. And it sounds like a lot, right, when you say that. It's like, JJ, you're gonna blow your load pretty, pretty early. Like, why go so full on? But I think that doing two sets, if you think about it, PS5, how long are people spending on their PS5?

Tommy: Kevin, so fun.

Josh: This is, this is so fun, like being able to, you know, going to different parts of the world.

Tommy: Yeah, well, I tell you what will be more fun than the PS5 is when you're actually healthy, feeling great, you've you know, you're hitting whatever goals that you want. And I mean, I just think back to the tricky bit is when you get fit, like I've got really in shape in the past, but it's been clouded by other feelings of obsession or whatever. And so, but I felt fucking amazing. Like I think I've talked about on the show, like walking upstairs or just fucking, it's just the energy you have. Crazy. You feel so good.

Josh: For me, it's a clothing thing, I think, as well. Like, just having more options, just being able to be aware, you know, different things.

Tommy: I bought some, I bought some great clothes over the weekend from, um, shop on Smith Street. A little voucher for my birthday. Oh yeah, thanks to GB and Jess and mate. Um, I got some linen shorts and a linen shirt.

Josh: Oh, oh, beautiful. What color?

Tommy: Boat party. I'm ready for a boat party, baby.

Josh: Did you get boat shoes?

Tommy: No, no, no, no. I did buy some new shoes though. Bought some—

Josh: Oh, you finally got some? What'd you get?

Tommy: Well, I got some Lacoste. They're actually— Oh, yeah.

Josh: Because I did say to you, I said, I was like, I feel like I remember them sort of falling apart. But then Mason has some and he swears by them. He was saying they're great.

Tommy: Yeah, they said, I mean, they feel good. They look good. I mean, I'm going to look good wearing this outfit. I don't know when I'm going to wear it, but—

Josh: You're going to wear it at the Christmas party.

Tommy: Oh, that's a good idea. Yeah. Definitely. And then I'll wear it the next Christmas party for my family and then Christmas Day.

Josh: You know, it's Thanksgiving weekend in the US.

Tommy: Oh, is it?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: This weekend.

Josh: I heard an interesting stat. 65% of Americans expect to have a family fight at Thanksgiving.

Tommy: Say again?

Josh: 65% of Americans expect to have A family fight at Thanksgiving.

Tommy: Well, it is, it is the season for punch-ups with your family.

Josh: I think going off memory, I think it was something like 17, there's a 17% increase in automotive accidents during Thanksgiving.

Tommy: Jesus.

Josh: There's, I think, 3 times as many house fires during Thanksgiving.

Tommy: Too many turkeys.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Too many turkeys on fire. Last Christmas, Christmas night actually, uh, staying up at Amy's mum's place in Sydney, and there was a huge domestic. Just mum and mum and mum screaming at each other. It was, it was horrible, but because it was like one of those hot nights that is just dead still and you can hear everything.

Josh: It's beginning to look like Christmas.

Tommy: It was alcohol-fueled. They were definitely just on the Jimmy, Jim Beam and Cokes and just yelling. I mean, you don't want that. If anything, just get through your miserable fucking Christmas and then get on, you know, survive till Boxing Day, then just bitch about them behind their back, then blow up in person. Just do it.

Josh: I do feel like around this time of year, though, there's— I definitely like, things are cyclical at the moment. For me, I'm in the watching reviews. Like, I think because this time of year I'd be thinking about what do I want for Christmas. And so, I'll be watching reviews and I'm like just in this. I think it's when I said— Product reviews, yeah. Yeah. When it's a bit hotter outside, maybe YouTube, watching like just unboxings of stuff. Do you like, what do you find that when it comes to this time of year, you probably go outside?

Tommy: Yeah. Well, I'm— That's me doubling down and getting fucking training. At least half an hour a day. The— yeah, for me, I always end up at the shopping centre looking for shoes.

Josh: Really? Is this—

Tommy: yeah, I literally did it last year. I did it last year this time, like Christmas time, and I had the same problem. Annoyed that they don't have size fucking 13.

Josh: Or JB Hi-Fi, I feel like, is always a big one for me. It's like you're going like, I just end up— I just don't need anything, but you just end up in JB Hi-Fi. It's like, fuck, You end up walking away with another Google Home, even though you've got one in every room. It's like, "Well, it was on sale." No, it is.

Tommy: I mean, it's just the feel of this time. I think it's like, we're like 3 weeks out from holidays or most people like 4 weeks out from finishing for the year, not even a month. And so, you start to, I don't know, maybe yawning a bit more because you're preempting 3 weeks off or you're preempting a 2-week break or whatever you get, a 1 week or just something other than doing your normal every day. And so that's where I start to go there, just like, we're nearly there. But I— but it helps that, um, I mean, I'm actually looking forward to the Christmas parties and the Christmas things we've got going on. Amy's birthday, it is nice. It is nice.

Josh: It is. All right, well, uh, it's, it's the day of the talk show. Before we go, talking about, uh, Christmas, you asked about white Christmases or your desire to have a white Christmas, and Mark says "Hey, guys. Hello from Switzerland. I couldn't help but reach out after TJ's wish for a white Christmas. We live in Zurich, Switzerland, mate, and we've been waiting for a white Christmas for years. Love your show, guys. Have a great start to the week. Best wishes, Mark." Thank you, Mark.

Tommy: Does it snow in Zurich? Is it meant to snow in Zurich? I think it is, yeah. Zurich snow.

Josh: Yeah. It's—

Tommy: He moved there because it was promised snow.

Josh: For the snow. But I did see 3D Dill.

Tommy: Oh, yeah.

Josh: Messaging me this morning. Hey legend, just listen to EP 921. Here's our snow. It's like the amount of snow at their place is crazy. Yeah, it looks like, um, looks like one of those, uh, you know, um, houses that you make, gingerbread houses or whatever. It's got like, you know, fake snow. It looks sick.

Tommy: I'm looking at Zurich snow photos. It looks amazing. I wish it snowed. I hope it snows for you too, because that looks amazing. But no, I want to go to Switzerland, one of the chalets. That's my dream.

Josh: Oh, yeah. Is that like the—

Tommy: Fly over in my private jet as well.

Josh: Is the chalet like where they've got like the spa and stuff? That sort of thing?

Tommy: What is a chalet? What is a chalet meaning? Chalet. Chalet. How do you spell chalet? Anyway, off on a tangent. A chalet is just like, yeah, here we go. A wooden house with overhanging eaves.

Josh: With the cabins.

Tommy: Typically found in the Swiss Alps. There you go. It— Oh, yeah. It's just that wood, like the smell of the timber. I could imagine they've got like an outdoor spa and a steam room inside. And you just— It's just— It's the full experience. You need a chalet, whatever you do.

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Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: But if you are watching back, please comment on the video. Say something nice. Maybe tell us, is it snowing where you are? Do you have family fights during Thanksgiving or Christmas? Let us know. Otherwise, enjoy the rest of your day. See you tomorrow, guys. Have a good one.

Tommy: See ya.