#916 – Matty J On Parenthood & Social Media/
- November 17, 2020
Matty J is an ex-bachelor, podcast host of The Babble, and ambassador for belVita. In addition to his social media skits and podcast, Matty J has hosted Nova Sydney’s Saturday breakfast show, Matt, Sarah & Matty J, and appears on Channel 10’s The Living Room.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
- Morning routines
- Matt’s toes
- Parenthood and expectations
- Publicity and being a public couple
- Agency life
- Guilt in parenthood
- Prioritising Matt’s relationship with Laura
- Social media and influencers
- Working with belVita
- Vlogs and Reality TV
- Matt’s Relationship with money
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Josh Janssen: [00:00:00] Yes, daily talk show episode 916,
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:08] and we've got a special guest joining us today. Maddie J he's the ambassador for Belvita. They've just released their new Australia made bakes and coconut bites. Welcome to the show, Maddie. Jay,
Matty J: [00:00:19] can I boys? Hello?
Josh Janssen: [00:00:21] You're very well. Uh, Tommy and I were talking earlier about morning routines.
I'm going to do a complete redo of my routine. In 2021. What does your
Matty J: [00:00:34] morning routine
Josh Janssen: [00:00:35] either that or the following Monday? What is, what is your morning routine look like
Matty J: [00:00:41] my morning routine. It's been changing a lot the last few months, partly because it's all based around my daughter, Molly Mae. So, uh, so at the moment she's kind of waking up at six 30 in the morning and we don't have a baby monitor she's um, she's just down the hallway.
So dynamics set an alarm anymore. I just hear these cries in the distance and I am normally the one now who's on baby duty in the mornings. So, um, so Laura is June our, with our second baby in two months. And so I let her have a little sleep and not to sound like I'm being,
Josh Janssen: [00:01:19] you're a hero. I hate your hero.
I mean, she
Matty J: [00:01:23] is, she's making lines right now, so I let her have an hour in bed, extra. Cause that's she had
Tommy Jackett: [00:01:31] that right arm.
Matty J: [00:01:35] She often says, she's like, Oh, I'm growing eyelids today. So cut me some Slack if I'm tired. Um,
Josh Janssen: [00:01:41] well actually in, I for, you know, how there's like iPhone apps where it will say, ah, like it's the size of a. Of a mango or whatever, did they actually say, like it's growing eyelids or they don't get down to that data?
Matty J: [00:01:53] Um, they're pretty specific. Um, this time round, we haven't been following it as as much, but when we were, uh, pregnant with Molly, I remember there was one day with Laura was looking at the app, like every day she was on the app and she was saying, it's this big now. And this is how, how, how, um, what kind of fruit it resembles.
And there was one day where. We're in the period where she was. Um, the baby was developing, uh, its sense of smell and, uh, blows, blows my mind. But second time round you like how many months?
Tommy Jackett: [00:02:30] Maddie. I've got a three and a half year old, but I remember we went, we sort of mixed it up between what bakery treat did the baby resemble like the size of a croissant or a, you know, not a baguette shock.
Matty J: [00:02:44] Can I just say very good pronunciation of. Croissant.
Josh Janssen: [00:02:50] He's very international like that. Ask him to say,
Matty J: [00:02:56] but, um, but now, now your second time round, it's funny. Yeah. Now you just, um, obviously you got a lot more going on. So with the first pregnancy, it's like, all your focus is just on that. Whereas now all my focus is on Marley, so I'm like, you know, in the mornings we'll wake up. She loves to read a book in the morning.
We'll do that. And then, uh, she loves going for a little walk to get a morning coffee. Um, so like all my attention now is on her. And I kind of, I keep needing to remind myself that there is another Bob in the oven right now, Laura, just the other day was like, can you believe in two months there'll be, there'll be four of us.
Tommy Jackett: [00:03:34] And I mean, you've talked about your morning routine, which it's just a paper and a coffee. You've tried to mix in that your daughter likes her book in her little baby Chino. It's it is great. I mean, my, my morning routine is now fending off my three and a half year old from stealing treats out of the cupboard.
He just wakes up. First thing, ravenous just needs eight
Matty J: [00:03:59] it's. Um, It's kind of nice or you've got a little boy, a little boy. Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:04:03] Birdie.
Matty J: [00:04:04] Yeah. I feel like boys, boys, uh, they have a bigger appetite, like my little nephew once ate three quarters of a, of a family size chicken pie by himself, whereas Molly's a lot more selective.
So, uh, but it's, it is, it is nice. Um, In the mornings, just me and her like daddy daughter time. That, that to me is like, that's, that's what I reckon is most special.
Josh Janssen: [00:04:31] Uh, not to go on too much of a tangent, but I heard on the Babel, you talked about, uh, your toes and the fact that you have very fat. Tired.
Matty J: [00:04:42] Uh,
Josh Janssen: [00:04:43] I actually have, what's known as toe thumbs.
So my thumb loops, both of them look like toes.
Matty J: [00:04:51] Is that a
Josh Janssen: [00:04:51] genetic thing? Your, your toes, or can you, can you tell us about them?
Matty J: [00:04:56] Um, look, I don't know if like I'll take the
Josh Janssen: [00:05:00] off, this is
Matty J: [00:05:02] their morning routine,
Josh Janssen: [00:05:03] to be honest,
just a little bit more to the middle. Keep going, keep going.
Matty J: [00:05:11] There
Josh Janssen: [00:05:11] you go. I'm
Tommy Jackett: [00:05:13] not bad at all.
Josh Janssen: [00:05:14] It's not too big. Is it?
Matty J: [00:05:15] I mean, it's a good angle. Slimming angle? Um, no, I think, um, I look at my mum's fate and, and I definitely inherited her hooves. They're not, um, they're not a beautiful toe. Sorry to my mum. If she's listening,
Josh Janssen: [00:05:32] do you get self-conscious about it?
Like, would you be the guy to sand all over a thong? Like, are you wearing socks with sandals or have you been able to get comfortable with it?
Matty J: [00:05:43] I think when I was. 14. I think one of my mates at the beach was like, wow, you've got, you've got big, big toes. And I was kinda like, Oh, am I different? What does this mean?
But now I've, now that I'm a lot more mature. I've learned to embrace them. So, uh, some, you know, ground barefoot,
Tommy Jackett: [00:06:03] is it just leading with it? So you can't be called out on it. I mean, you've spent a lot of time. Being filmed for reality TV. Was there anything that was pointed out for you that you were like, I've built a complex about fuck?
Oh no. I've seen my left ear lobe.
Matty J: [00:06:18] I have to bring it up in conversation. So if I, if I am outdoors and I'm barefoot and I'm like, Matt, nice to meet you by the way, I've got a big, big tote and then get it out. People like, what do you mean? I'm like nothing. It's pretty hard. Isn't it?
Josh Janssen: [00:06:33] As far as my toe thumb has his own Instagram account.
Yeah. And so
Tommy Jackett: [00:06:39] always trying to get a plugin, Maddie.
Josh Janssen: [00:06:42] Oh, it's on the thumb and just, I think he's got an underscore after it because I couldn't get just toe thump,
Tommy Jackett: [00:06:48] thumb accidentally pressed it.
Josh Janssen: [00:06:50] Yeah. Yeah. Too fast. It is very hard.
Matty J: [00:06:54] Is that, um, is that something that you're fearful of passing on to your children?
Well, yeah, I think,
Josh Janssen: [00:07:00] well, so I, I always thought that I got it from my dad, but then I was looking at his thumb the other day. And it's nowhere near as bad. So yeah, I mean, uh, my girlfriend brainer, we're talking about if we were to have kids, the selecting of what we would want. So she was like, I would like the baby to have my, and it can get real main, real quick.
Cause that's, what's, what's wrong with my feet. My feet are fine.
Matty J: [00:07:27] Well, it's funny because when, when Molly Mae was born, everybody said straight away that, Oh, she looks like Laura. And, uh, and now I feel like she's kind of, she's 16 months and she's, you know, changing a lot. She's no longer a baby. She's more of a toddler.
And I feel like, and I don't know if this is wishful thinking, she's molding into me now. Like I, uh, nothing makes me more proud when someone sees her and goes, wow, you guys look really similar. And I'm like the dominant gene
Josh Janssen: [00:07:56] I'm telling you where. Uh, before you became a dad, did you have an expectation of what you were going to be like as a dad?
And have you changed your mind on it?
Matty J: [00:08:07] Yeah, it's funny. I, I remember really vividly. I was at my sister's house and she's got three kids and all of my brothers and sisters, she was the one who had kids first and. I was at her house playing with the kids. And this is before Molly was, was around. This was before Laura was even pregnant.
And my sister said, you know, like when do you want to have kids? And I was like, yeah, pretty soon. And she was like, you know, what kinda like, what kind of dad you reckon you're be? And I was like, trying to imagine. What it would be like, and I guess it was, you know, cause I had nieces and nephews that was kind of like dipping my toe
and so I kind of like, I got like a little taste of what being a dad was like and you know, I, I, um, I was, I remember thinking to myself, I want to be like a really silly dad. Like I don't want to be, um, I see at the park sometimes there'll be a kid running around playing by himself and, and the dad will just be sitting there, arms crossed.
And the kids like, you know, wanting so badly to like play like ninjas or, you know, Um, any kind of game and, and I'm almost like I'll, I'll play with you buddy. Like, I don't care. Like I, I want to be very involved in, and I definitely don't want to be like a boring, mature dad. I still think of myself as just like a big, full 10 year old.
And I think that's kind of how my parenting is at times.
Tommy Jackett: [00:09:33] Well, I mean, you you're young 33. Are you going to get your, um, your kids into nippers in Bondai? I used to live there just across the road from the beach and I always thought, Oh, that would be the best growing up, doing something like nippers.
Matty J: [00:09:46] Yeah.
I, uh, well, it's, it's funny, isn't it? Because you need to pick your sports quite carefully for your kids because nip is, is great. Nippers is perfect on the week. How much
Josh Janssen: [00:09:58] can they
Matty J: [00:10:02] Oh, yeah, I was, um, I was thinking maybe, maybe it's going to be cricket, but I'm like, that's also a really big investment from, from me as a dad. If she, if she plays cricket, that's like, that's my whole Saturday gone, you know, which is concerning. So I usually play cricket.
So I was significant is good. I, um, I actually. I cannot wait until she can start to swim out in the ocean and we can go surfing together. So that is, yeah, that's something that I'm really looking forward to him, but we we've decided that, uh, she will, dance will be a dancer, but not ballet, no disrespect to the ballet community out there.
But, um, she's going to be more of like a street funk type dancer,
Josh Janssen: [00:10:44] contemporary.
Tommy Jackett: [00:10:45] No, this is great. I mean, I remember having chats with my parents. My mom's saying, how did, how did you and dad meet? And then she's got a classic story of worked at a yoga center. My dad was like, this was back 50 years ago when men didn't do yoga and if they did, they were gay.
And so everyone thought why dad was gay at this yoga center. And that's how they've got this cute story. Have you had the chat with your young daughter about how you and mummy met.
Matty J: [00:11:13] It's uh, we have explained to her, obviously she's not, she's not digesting that information at all, but there's been a few times where, you know, when your phone gives you a, it like reminds you and says, Oh, you know, this photo was taken on this day three years ago.
And we had our finale. Um, like anniversary, I guess you'd call it just recently. And, you know, whilst we were in bed, we got reminded of this photo and this video and we were watching it. Molly was in bed with us as well. So she was watching it and she was, you know, she was really transfixed on the screen of the mobile phone.
And I did think it's going to be, it's going to be so weird when she does get to an age where she understands. You know, the concept of TV and reality TV and how we have to explain to her that that's how mom and dad came to be. And we're going to force you to watch our first
Tommy Jackett: [00:12:06] daddy, why's your home videos, such high production value.
Matty J: [00:12:14] I need to, um, I haven't I've I've been meaning to message channel 10 and ask if I can get like a DVD copy burnt. Just, just, just in case, like we can't get hold of only they're going to hold
Josh Janssen: [00:12:27] onto it. I don't think it's going to be. Some sort of situation five years with like, no one has a copy. Could you believe that?
Matty J: [00:12:34] Like that's, you know, I wake up at night with cold sweats
Josh Janssen: [00:12:39] on that
Matty J: [00:12:40] season of the bachelor. I've been lost somewhere in the abyss of the internet.
Josh Janssen: [00:12:44] What's something that you had to learn, uh, from a relationship perspective, having a relationship that was more sort of public facing or having public scrutiny.
Were there any extra things that you had to do or think about as a couple.
Matty J: [00:12:58] Um, do you know what I think? Um, I think early on Laura and I were really, you know, we get spat out of that bubble and, and the finale happens and then, you know, all of a sudden normal life begins and it's such a weird time that you don't realize it at the time.
You think that what's currently going on is going to be your life forever. But the first two or three weeks are just really, really crazy where, you know, we would drive somewhere and there'd be like three cars following us and then we'd get out of the car and they'd be like taking photos of us. And, you know, I kind of thought, well, this is.
This is my life. Now, you know, I'm going to be this, this guy that just gets followed everywhere. And then we didn't really, like, we didn't enjoy it. Like it was, um, kind of novelty and we'd laugh about it. But then at the same time, it kind of sucks being down at the beach and having someone in the bushes taking a photo.
But then we kind of realized that, cause we weren't really doing anything too scandalous. Now the appetite for people to see more of us kind of start to dwindle. And that was really great because in the pepper artsy stop and you kind of. Start to just get like a bit more of a, a normal life, but even, even now, uh, daily mail bless their soul.
Um, even now I remember like a few times they'd released an article that was like, Uh, before we got engaged, like they would say Matt and Laura have a secret wedding. And, uh, and my uncle would message me and be like, well,
cheese, no, it's not true. It's not true. And, um, you have to keep reminding, um, you know, friends and family that what gets printed is not always true. Uh, I think that's, that's definitely the big one.
Tommy Jackett: [00:14:49] Well, I mean, now we're onto you with the baby. Uh, and I mean, this is always a speculation. Did they know before you told it,
Matty J: [00:14:56] had you done it?
Do you know what I. W, I don't know how they work. I don't know how they operate, but they're out. Well, he called me
Josh Janssen: [00:15:09] to the wedding.
Matty J: [00:15:13] But, um, but what was, what was crazy is that we, um, before Molly, uh, Laura was pregnant, but we unfortunately lost, lost that one. Um, and we, we never announced. That one. Um, but Laura was, was pregnant and we were hopping into the car. We happened to have this pepper RT, um, walk by and, and we told like, nobody, like my mum knew.
And that was like, that was it. Like not in my best friend. And he came up and said, so when are you guys going to announce the pregnancy? And, uh, and instantly Laura and I looked at each other and like, you know, had a shock face and within shit, like, how does this guy know? And I don't know if he did know, or if he was maybe just like saying it to get a reaction, to see if he knew, but
Tommy Jackett: [00:16:00] it's a bit like a medium, they
Matty J: [00:16:01] just sort of put stuff out there.
See what lands. Yeah. So we, you know, we will like, Oh actually, and then. Um, a couple of articles were written. Um, but even then we had like a 12 week scan and we're in the, um, the radiologist or radiography. But if you call and, uh, in the waiting room and the girl behind the reception was like, Oh my gosh, It's you guys and she's like, come, can I, can I get a phone,
a real like, Oh, I don't want to sound like a Dick, but no. And then I was like, Oh, like maybe just get one with me. And, and then we have, we're like, Oh shit, is she gonna like post that we don't want to, did she
Josh Janssen: [00:16:47] want to start out with the scan as well? Her holding,
Matty J: [00:16:52] but, um, Yeah. They, they just, they, I don't know how they I'm like, do they have my phones tapped, but then again, I'm not to, I'm not big enough to warrant my phone's being tapped or am I,
Josh Janssen: [00:17:03] so what was it like then? Cause I heard that you, um, heard you mentioning on the Babel that you worked like agency life and you were doing spreadsheets and stuff like that.
So what was like. Pray reality show Maddie. And then post, was it just like, is it completely different and
Tommy Jackett: [00:17:21] what's your toaster the same size
Matty J: [00:17:25] toes are still the same. Uh, still very humble. I, um, I, I re I love it. See life. Like, I, I really enjoyed it. And, um, my, uh, my job in the UK was, um, I specialized in sponsorship.
So if you're a brand and you want to sponsor something, you come to me and I tell you what would be the best thing to sponsor. So, uh, for example, is sponsoring the soccer or rugby going to be better. And I would do the strategy behind, uh, what would get better return and, um, and what that would look like.
But, you know, it was. Very normal, except I was working in Barangaroo, which is near the city in Sydney. And I was working full time when the show was on air. And then one of the big buildings, there's a little cafeteria downstairs where they have, you know, like six different food places. And it was funny that slowly as the show got closer to being on air.
People would stop and ask for a photo. And then that would ramp up more and more and more as we got closer towards the finale to the point where I had to send someone to go down and get me food, because it was, um, you know, if I went down there, I'd have a photo taken and another photo and then another photo and it would just be, you know, like be too much.
So I, um, And I, but it's, it happens quite slowly. And it's funny how used to it, you get, like, you just, you just are climatized to the situation. All of a sudden, you know, being asked by a random person for a photo just becomes totally normal,
Josh Janssen: [00:18:53] any sort of hard conversations with the, your employer because, uh, our mate tally Smyth, who was on big brother, I believe didn't tell her boss.
And then one day she was just in the big brother house, which is probably not the best one. Yeah. Probably not like the best way to go. But she never came back. I don't believe
Matty J: [00:19:13] I was always pretty upfront at the time. Um, I was working for Persia, the car brand and the interview process was like six different interviews and it was, so
it was harder to work for both. It was two interviews and I
Josh Janssen: [00:19:35] know it was, it
Matty J: [00:19:37] took forever. And then, you know, then you have a two week induction process and it's just like, ah, come on guys.
Josh Janssen: [00:19:44] The role of what will you do? And what was the, um, what are they asking in the interviews? It's a test drive.
Matty J: [00:19:50] Yeah, it was just like, uh, like just, you know, I S I S I met like six different people.
Every single time I go to an interview and I'm like, who? Like, who are you? And why am I chatting to you now? And it was this the same questions, but I was, I was headed partnerships at Purdue. Um, Hey, not to toot my own horn with an impressive role, but, um, but then. After I'd been there for two weeks, then the phone rang and it was the bachelor.
And they asked if I wanted to come in for an interview. And I did that entertain the thought, thinking like, nothing's, nothing's going to come of it. And then I went for another interview. I ended up getting it and I went to a guy called Dmitri, who was the marketing director. And I was like, mate, I'm so sorry.
I've just been offered this role. And I know I've gone through all this interview process and the induction process, but. I'm going to go on the show if that's okay. And he was, he was actually really supportive. He was like, do it a hundred percent. You'll always regret it if you don't. Um, but hate HR at Persia fucking hated me.
I had to go in there and be like, Hey, I'm going to go on reality TV. I'm so sorry. And they were filthy
Josh Janssen: [00:20:58] filthy.
Tommy Jackett: [00:21:00] Did you, um, I mean, you're not working at Porsche anymore. Did you get to keep your job at your. That was a line in the sand I'm out. No.
Matty J: [00:21:07] And then afterwards, uh, I called them up and they were like, sorry, pal, the roles being filled.
Um, but I, I remember
Tommy Jackett: [00:21:15] like from the other season of the bachelor,
Matty J: [00:21:20] he's running into Lark or after the show, I was, you know, there was a few moments where I was like, You know, we'll do I become like immediate personality now? Like, is that who I am or do I go back to normal life? You know, it's, it's almost like this fork in the road moment where I think somebody even called it, you know, you're like after reality TV, or you're too famous to go back to your normal job, but not famous enough to get a job in the media.
You're kind of in this weird, like no man's land, but I, um, I went back to normal work. Um, straightaway like today. Uh, two weeks after we finished filming the finale, I was back working in agencies.
Josh Janssen: [00:21:57] Was it a hard, a hard transition?
Matty J: [00:22:00] Um, I think it was good know. Oh, I think, um, I think there's a lot of anxiety that comes with being on reality TV.
And I think for those people who don't have a distraction, like a full-time job, you know, where you're getting sucked into reading all the comments on social media and you're, you're sucked into reading all the headlines that get put out there. I think that would really tear you up. So I loved that. I had a full-time job to distract me from everything else.
Tommy Jackett: [00:22:26] what's, what's been the perspective shifts since having the baby, you know, so you made on the bachelor and then year you're in the real world, and now you have a kid and there's nothing that sucks you into the real world. Like having a child. What's the shift internally for you that you've made, uh, looking back on the past and where you're at
Matty J: [00:22:44] now.
I think, um, I think being a dad of being, you know, being a parent, it's funny how there is nothing in this world that gives you more joy than seeing your child happy. You know, I, I think, um, Seeing Molly may have a smile on her face and like taking her to the zoo, which for me, doesn't really rock my boat.
But if it makes Molly happy, like she is the number one priority without question in my life and Laura's life. And so it's funny how, how this little being just completely takes over your entire. World. And it's like, it's instant, you know, it's, it's, um, it's crazy how quickly it happens. It's you know, like as soon as they come out, it's just like a switch in your head just goes and all of a sudden they are everything for you.
Josh Janssen: [00:23:35] Is there much anxiety around trying to be a good parent or what it means to be a good parent?
Matty J: [00:23:40] Yeah, I think, um, I think, you know, there, there are days where Marla is amazing and she's just so easy and she's well behaved and she eats well and goes to bed on time and like, everything's great. But then there's other days where you're a bit tired and you know, work's been a bit crap and, um, she's being a nightmare and you get a bit cranky and you're short tempered and you put them to bed and then you're sitting on the couch and like, they're so.
Quiet and peaceful now because they're asleep and you go through and you look at photos of them and you're like, Oh, I should've been, I should've been more patient with an, you know, I, you know, I, I shouldn't have got cranky and I should have played with her a bit more before she went to bed. And you do get the guilt, I think sometimes as a parent.
Um, and it's only when they're asleep and they're peaceful. Cause then when she wakes up and she's crying.
Tommy Jackett: [00:24:29] Yeah. No,
Matty J: [00:24:34] I was gonna say you do as a, as a, as a parent. I think you do put a lot of pressure on yourself to be perfect all the time and have every single day be a good day, which is never going to happen.
Tommy Jackett: [00:24:44] Uh, what about your relationship with Laura? How has that, um, changed, evolved since having number one? And then we can ask you number two in a couple of months, time say what's happened.
Matty J: [00:24:55] I think, um, I think it can be really easy, you know, when you have kids. To not prioritize your relationship as much. I think because now Laura is working full time.
She's got loads on her plate and I'm, you know, trying to hustle as much as I can with work. And, and then in between that, you know, we're trying to, you know, look at buying a new house and everything else is happening so quickly that all of a sudden, you know, A month months can go by where we haven't really prioritize the time that we spend together.
You know, we often talk about getting a babysitter and going out for dinner and just having some time where it's just me and her and yet, because it's not really essential, it's not critical. So it always just gets pushed back to like the end of the bottom of the to-do list. So now we need to make, you know, Laura and I, we really make a conscious effort to spend time with each other.
And even though we break this rule all the time, but you know, often we try and enforce a rule of no Mo mobile phones after seven o'clock when Marley goes to bed. So we can just, you know, be with each other. And again, like we, there are, there are nights we brought when we break that rule, but, um, but that's, that's the big one.
Josh Janssen: [00:26:04] What's your relationship like with social media? Do you find that, you know, do you hit, do you have a negative perspective or are you able to sort of be a bit detached?
Matty J: [00:26:14] I used to, um, I think I probably had like a bit of an identity crisis where I was like, you know what, like, what am I don't really work in marketing anymore.
And, um, I'm not really in media, I'm not on TV. And I'm like, I don't want to call myself an influencer because I, you know, I think. The influence is such a dirty word. Like, you know, no one, no one really wants to be an influencer. And, um, I think I was probably
Tommy Jackett: [00:26:41] everyone wants influence. That's the way.
Matty J: [00:26:44] Yeah, it's just weird.
So it isn't it. And then, um, I think I was probably trying after the show to be like, too perfect, you know, to like, you know, take a beautiful topless shot and then I'm like, that's what people might want to see. So that's what I'd give them. Um, And I didn't really, I didn't love it. Like, you know, it was like, you know, doing a stage shot or trying to get the perfect shot down the beach.
It sucks. Um, and so lately I've kind of been trying to do more like comedy and more skits and, um, and that actually I've found that people enjoy that more than anything else. Like relatable content. That's just silly and fun.
Josh Janssen: [00:27:23] Is there, is there a moment where you decided hang on a. Like this isn't serving me or like what's the point of this?
Matty J: [00:27:30] Yeah, I think probably the first skit that I ever did. Um, I helped out with this in this event called the undies people's choice, undies run for bowel cancer, and it's in Adelaide where people run in their undies around this course or raising money for those who have been affected by bowel cancer. And they were like, could you.
Do something to help promote it, like just, you know, just a shot of you and your undies. Um, like a still photo will be perfect. And I kinda thought, wouldn't it be funny if it was this guy, like training for the Olympics and a proper athletics track, and then slowly he starts taking off more and more clothes until he's done into his undies.
And then he's, you know, he's an ordering coffee at the cafe in his undies. And, um, and I was like, I went to him and said, can I film this? And they were like, yeah, great. Do what you want. And I did it and I got like a thousand comments and people were like, this is really funny. And I, it was almost just seeing the engagement then I kind of thought, well, maybe I should do more of this.
And I think from that moment on, you know, I was like, I want to do more, more skits.
Tommy Jackett: [00:28:29] Did you think, you know, way back in agency life, is that something you were even into mucking around doing video content like that? Or
Matty J: [00:28:36] is it literally just based
Tommy Jackett: [00:28:38] on the new, where you've landed?
Matty J: [00:28:40] Yeah, not really. I don't think, I mean, like other than just mucking around with mates, I, um, I never did anything like that at all, but I guess one thing I did do a lot of was, you know, when in agency life, when a client would give me a brief and I'd try and figure out like, well, what's your marketing objective objective, and what are you trying to do?
So now that's transitioned to, to life as a content creator, uh, where I'm like, well, how can I make a funny video? But also then we then. A
Josh Janssen: [00:29:10] product you're new to tick tock. What have you learnt being there?
Matty J: [00:29:15] Um, I don't know. Not a lot, a lot, not a lot general consensus. I mean, I do, I love Tik TOK because I think it's really.
I think it's changed the way people consume content and what kind of content they consume. I think now people really have an appetite for just silly content that makes them laugh. Instead of, you know, people posting a really beautiful shot that makes, when you in, when you see that kind of makes you feel a bit shit inside.
Whereas now making people laugh is like the priority would take talk, which I love. Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:29:54] Yeah. I mean, it's a good, it's a good, um, skill to be able to see what sort of, what gets people going, what gets people laughing and what have you found that, um, is your sense of humor? What's the Matty J
Matty J: [00:30:08] actually do you know, what's going really well for me, uh, which, which I never would have imagined this.
Um, but me dressed as a woman. Yes,
Josh Janssen: [00:30:18] you're going to be coming.
Matty J: [00:30:25] I'm waiting for him to message me to go like, Hey dude, stop stealing
Tommy Jackett: [00:30:28] my material. But, um,
Matty J: [00:30:31] but do you remember the flick, the switch challenge where you're at accomplished in the last
Josh Janssen: [00:30:35] year? Yeah.
Matty J: [00:30:36] And the lights go off and they come back on, all of a sudden outfits have changed and w Laura and I did that and it just went.
Like it got like 600,000 views. I was like at the time,
Josh Janssen: [00:30:49] Oh, wardrobe.
Matty J: [00:30:50] Now
Josh Janssen: [00:30:52] it's time. I was like,
Matty J: [00:30:53] I'm like, babe, I'm not going to wear your top. It's you know, it's stupid. I'm not going to wear a wig and put lipstick on. Whereas now I'm like visual.
Tommy Jackett: [00:31:05] Maybe, maybe getting your daughter to put makeup on your face could be the next sort of.
Matty J: [00:31:12] Yeah, that's going to happen. But the other day we'll film, we'll fill filming one. And I was in a wig and Molly had woken up for a nap, but she came out and she's looking at me and she's like, I know you're my dad in this. Um, but yeah, um, part of me is like, what am I doing? I'm a dad. I'm 33. And I'm doing Tik TOK videos.
Josh Janssen: [00:31:36] you were telling us, um, off-air that you were doing stuff with Belvita. What have you been working on?
Matty J: [00:31:41] Yes, there is great. When brands are happy to just give me creative freedom to do whatever I want. And, uh, and we did one video, uh, last month, uh, essentially it was just me starting off my morning with a delicious Belvita.
And then I just dance around Sydney, uh, with my daughter and Laura in tow who were very unimpressed. And, um, and then they, uh, they said, we'd love to do another video. And I was like, well, I'd love to do a followup dance video, um, which we shot just the other day. So it's, uh, but this time, Laura. Hasn't Belvita as well.
And she starts dancing. So it's Laura and I dancing together at the Sydney opera house. And. Laura is there, like, I don't want to do this. And it was a wide shot. So our guy who was filming, it was like 200 meters away or a hundred meters away. And so it was so no one knew that we were being filmed. There's a camera there.
You see it. But my friend, I was on, on my mobile mobile, and he's like, I've got the shots to start filming, uh, start dancing and to Laura and I are going nuts and people around us were like, these. Are these people okay. Like, do they need help? And there was like a wedding as well, that was having, you know, a beautiful bridal party having their photos done.
And they were looking at us being like, Oh my gosh, like we are sharing the children away from us as we're dancing around Sydney. And so Laura was like, why? Like, why the hell did I end up with someone like you. Because I gave you the rows and then the rest
Tommy Jackett: [00:33:10] is history. What do you feel like in those moments?
Is that, is that confidence that you you're bringing or it's just like, you kind of suppressing how you're feeling about the awkward moment and just
Matty J: [00:33:21] leaning in? No, I, both Laura and myself, we, we like, we hated it. We hate, hated that moment of, um, even cause it was. The weekend, just go on. The weather was so beautiful.
It was like, you know, heatwave hit. And we filmed that at Bondai beach as well on a Sunday, as you can imagine, it was just so busy and, uh, and doing that in front of the people is just like, nothing brings me more anxiety than that. Like I remember waking up when we, we had to film and I was like, like, Today's the day we're going to
Josh Janssen: [00:33:55] do this,
Matty J: [00:33:56] but it's what people like to see.
Like, people love that awkwardness.
Josh Janssen: [00:34:00] Have you taken the learnings from the partnership roles and things like that? Being on the other side? And being the guy that's actually sort of executing on things and being, you know, talent. What have you, um, what have you learned from that?
Matty J: [00:34:15] I think, um, I think people now, I think like the golden era of social media has ended, you know, like gone are the days of someone giving Kim Kardashian like a million dollars for one post and that then creating a business.
I think people now are so much more savvy to. Branded and, you know, collaborations on social media when people are kind of turned off it a little bit. So I think viewers really want something in return. Like you've got to, you've got to give them something if you're going to do something branded. So it's either going to be really informative and, um, and give them information that they didn't already have, like, you know, tutorial or something like that, or it needs to give them entertainment.
Um, and so I'm, I'm really lucky that I get to work with Belvita. And we have a great product, but also we're happy to produce content in a way, which is just really fun and vibrant. It's
Josh Janssen: [00:35:06] sort of like a bit of a new category. Don't you think? Like Tommy was trying, uh, trying the, um, what the coconut bites and I've never been like a cereal guy.
Like I don't like milk with things or whatever, and I feel like. There's no coffee though. You like it with coffee? Yeah, I like it with coffee or whatever, but I've never been like, you know, put cereal in a bowl, fill it with milk type of thing. And I feel like the seas. The perfect combo where it's, I'm not having to have that.
I'm literally just eating it.
Matty J: [00:35:37] You know, there is, I wake up in the morning and other than seeing my daughter, I'm most excited about eating for me and I E I've got a very fast metabolism, so I'll always have a big bowl of porridge, but then by like nine o'clock, I'm like, cool, what's next? My tummy is like, come on, dude.
Like let's. Like give me more, give me more. So I'm having a, having a cheeky little bite on their bars. There is nothing in this world. That's more delicious with the coffee.
Josh Janssen: [00:36:10] Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:36:10] Yeah. Um, what's your favorite flavor of the coconut bites?
Matty J: [00:36:15] Big fan of the chocolate. Plenty of time for chocolate. Got a very disjointed.
He can't go wrong with chocolate, but, uh, but there's the, uh, the fig, which is, you know, like a bit more of a fruity flavor. So I'll sometimes do the, uh, the figure in the morning as I like my mid morning snack. And then, and even then, like, after dinner, I'll end treat myself to a little bit of cheeky chocolate.
Josh Janssen: [00:36:37] Have you? Um, yeah, I mean, yeah, like it feels like you're being real good. And when you have a bit, a bit of dark chalk, then you go, uh, I was going to go talk about COVID for a second. What if I saw a video of you at the staff must be the start of the year or was sort of looking ahead and it was all positive and like, Oh yeah, we're gonna.
Do this and that maybe start saving and you know, all this stuff. How, how has 2020 been for you? What have you, what have you learned about yourself?
Matty J: [00:37:11] It's been, um, for us and our household, it's really been a case of feast and famine. Um, cause I was, I was hosting a TV show called luxury escapes. And we were two weeks away from shooting for three months.
So like the entire season was going to be shot in this really tight window. And I remember looking at the news being like, Oh, I don't know if I'm going to go. Like, it looks like it's getting pretty serious. And then eventually, you know, all international travel was just shut down and the show is now been officially canned, um, which is a real bummer.
Um, so for me, all of a sudden, you know, I had three months of work just. Taken away it was white. And on the other end of the spectrum, Laura has got a jewelry label and, and she was really worried as well. She was like, you know, I've just, she just launched a brand new rain. So she had all this stock, you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of stock.
And, uh, she was freaking out. And then all of a sudden. You know, job keeper came through and people just wanted retail therapy and, and she's had the busiest six months and nine years of being in business. So, um, so it's, it's definitely shifted. I think, um, I've probably, I probably underestimated how hard it would have been to be away from the family for so long.
Um, but it's been a bit of a blessing to be able to be more. I'm a stay at home dad when I thought I was going to be working. So, you know, um, I think I've been a lot more hands-on um, and I think, you know, as, as a guy, I think there is that mentality of like, well, no, I've, I've got to be the breadwinner.
I've got to earn more money than, than my partner, but now, you know, the fact that she's earning lots of money and doing really well, you know, I know that that's the most important thing is that we're, we're being successful.
Tommy Jackett: [00:38:59] Yeah. I mean, what a year it has been crazy. I mean, would you take it, would you do the now with sort of what you felt about not going away for the three months?
Would you go and do a three-month stint?
Matty J: [00:39:11] Yeah, I, I reckon now, now knowing how, especially when your kids are young, because. A lot happens in a month for a one year old, you know, like all of a sudden they go from crawling to walking and, you know, they're saying their first words and I think. I think now knowing that I could be aware and I could miss all those moments.
I think that's something that I would really struggle with. So I think now I've come to have come to accept the fact that, uh, being a travel host for me is probably not going to happen. Um, again, like on an international scale, uh, which on the one hand is upsetting, but at the same time, it allows me to be more of a dad, which is more important than anything else.
Josh Janssen: [00:39:58] Have you thought about like, um, so I guess the modern day travel presenter, like the getaway type of thing, all of that sort of stuff, that's, that's probably starting to transition out and there's obviously travel blogging and things like that. Have you thought about doing logs?
Matty J: [00:40:16] Well, we've done. That was a lot of my work.
Like we, uh, we worked with, with a lot of tourism boards, so we, um, uh, before COVID, you know, we would. We would work with like New Zealand tourism. We would go there for a week. Um, we would shoot content, um, that we put on my page and Laura's page, but also then gave that content to the brand as well. Um, so that was kind of like, yeah, it was like the new age, um, way of promoting destinations was not through TV shows as such, but through social media.
Um, but now even that's kind of come to a bit of an end internationally anyway.
Josh Janssen: [00:40:52] Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:40:53] Yeah. I mean, you say the, the people, the big YouTubers that don't end up relying on a brand, they just have a channel. That's got so much attention that they just, it becomes their own TV show. It's amazing. Like you guys just having your own show.
That is, you know, I guess it's then how much do you want to pull your daughter into the realities show side of things? Have you thought about that as a parent? Like what you want to not expose, but sort of, you know, allow others to be able to consume of, of your
Matty J: [00:41:22] daughter? Yeah, we got, we got approached to do by one of the networks to do a reality TV show and, and, you know, It's hard because you're like, well, this is, you know, this is it's, it's work, it's money.
Um, it's also, you know, you're out there, you know, in the spotlight, which is maybe it's not a bad thing. And then we're like, what do we, you know, Molly doesn't have a choice to be exposed to that. And then we were also like, we don't do enough. That warrants, a reality TV show like it's, you know, life is, it's pretty boring, to be honest, it's very normal.
And, um, you know, is it, was it newlyweds with, um,
Josh Janssen: [00:42:02] Jessica Simpson? That was a great show.
Are you sad
Matty J: [00:42:10] superstars and like huge international singers where it's like, I'm a guy. It worked in marketing, you like that people are going to watch that like a pro probably not. So we ended up saying no to it. Um, and you know, at the time we were like, is this the right thing to do? Like maybe, you know, is this going to be our ticket to something bigger?
But, um, but I think it's, it was probably the right thing, uh, not to be involved. Cause I think you do want to, um, even like, uh, I remember looking at some people who had filmed. The childbirth. Yeah. And I was like, action. Like, should we be doing that? Is that something that that's expected of us? And she was like, shut up.
We're not filming my childbirth.
Josh Janssen: [00:42:57] Um, uh, on the, on the re reality stuff, do you consume, do you watch. Reality TV yourself. Do you do any consumer?
Matty J: [00:43:08] I think it's a bit like, you know, when you, um, when you play a sport and all of a sudden when you play a sport, you enjoy it a lot more. Uh, you enjoy watching it a lot more.
And so I did think maybe, maybe I wouldn't like really TV cause I I've been involved in it. Um, but I, I love it. I love, I love like, you know, I love master chef. I love maths. I, uh, I can't wait for master to come out. Um, next year, you know, I still watch. Every season of the bachelor and even the block right now, like I'm obsessed with the block, SAS, Australia.
I'm like, I'm now more into reality TV than ever before.
Tommy Jackett: [00:43:44] What is, what's your perspective as someone who's been on it? What are you, what intrigues you about it?
Matty J: [00:43:51] I dunno. I think it's, um, I think it still, still now, like I'll look at, I look at like, uh, SAS Australia, you know, and I think it's just, it's just crazy.
And how raw some of this programming is now. Like, you know, there was one episode with Shannon. Who's a, pay-TV got hypothermia to the SAS, Australia to the point where. After we came to, like, after he kind of got back as body wall and he couldn't remember anything about what had just happened. And like you're sitting down on your couch with a bit of popcorn and being like, this is, this is good viewing.
Yeah. It's just, you know, there's something really enjoyable about watching someone else go through a situation. Um, whether it be heartache or whether it be happiness or relation, whatever it is. And you can just tap into that for a moment, but from the comfort of your own home,
Josh Janssen: [00:44:44] uh, when it comes to all these different deals and working out, whether you're going to do one project or another, I guess there's a lot of sort of money stories that we all have in regards to how we view money, how we sort of, you know, our relationship with it.
What is your relationship like with money?
Matty J: [00:45:03] I, yeah, it's funny because now, now, especially right now, because we are trying to buy a house and then I think it's only when you get to that milestone moment that you really look at your finances with a fine tooth comb. And you're like, shit, I wish I saved.
This was when I was, when I was younger. Um, but I think. I think even with, with, you know, with Laura and myself, we're driven not by the money as such, but more so, you know, By the product that we create. So for Laura, it's her podcast and her jewelry. And for me, it's the content, you know, I I'd I'd much rather produce a video, um, that I made $5 from, but got heaps of views.
Everyone loved it versus getting paid $10,000 and doing something that no one watched everyone hated it, but obviously, you know, but then at the same time, there's that balance because you know, I've gotta to put food on the table as well. Yeah. Um,
Tommy Jackett: [00:46:04] Molly, May's had their cut, um, baby chinos, the house. Okay.
Matty J: [00:46:09] Sorry. You will not be playing any sport because I can't afford it.
Tommy Jackett: [00:46:14] We gotta buy that house.
Josh Janssen: [00:46:16] Like buying a house. I feel like is, uh, seems like such a stressful experience or like my girlfriend. And I like even just talking about it over the weekend and thinking about, okay. If we think about the next two years and trying to do it.
There's a lot of things, you know, that you got to start to think about. And then it's just like, it seems like such a big commitment. What's what surprised you through the process?
Matty J: [00:46:41] Yeah, it's funny because I never thought I would leave Bondai. Like I love Bondai more than anything, but now I realize that I can't afford to live by and one guy.
And so we're looking to moving down South so that, you know, it's a real suburbia type area and, and you know, we're doing that now and not because it's. An area that I really want to live and you're doing it because it's, what's gonna be best for the kids. So it's, you know, whereas before I would have looked at, you know, a nice apartment, a couple of bedrooms, close to the beach, walking distance to the water would be delicious, but now, um, it's surprised me how much I'm happy to let go of.
What's important to me and focus on what's important for the kids.
Tommy Jackett: [00:47:22] Yeah,
Maddy, Jay. Thanks so much for joining us, buddy. It's been great. Great chatting with you, dude.
Matty J: [00:47:37] I really enjoyed that. Thanks boys.
Josh Janssen: [00:47:39] Thank you. And you, uh, you also have created a, a Spotify playlist for Belvita, the bright morning playlist. I was listening to a few of the tunes Africa by Toto mate. You've got some good taste.
Matty J: [00:47:53] this and bang isn't there. Isn't that, that took me. I S. I probably spent far too long. Like Laura would be like, it's one in the morning under the bed. And I'm like, nah, I'll go to find the right track to put in here. I put in Nevada and then I'm not sure if it's the right fit.
Josh Janssen: [00:48:09] I was eclectic.
It's an eclectic mix. Yeah. I love it. Awesome. Thanks Maddie. In
Matty J: [00:48:15] a pleasure, boys. Thanks so much.
Josh Janssen: [00:48:17] It's a daily talk show cinema tomorrow, guys. Have a good one.
Matty J: [00:48:19] See you guys.