#876 – Procrastination & Switching Off/
- October 8, 2020
We chat about cramming and procrastination, journalism and Vox Media, TikTok and Cranberry Juice, Tommy’s Ooshies scheme, and thinking about annual leave and switching off.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
- Cramming and procrastination
- Substack and Vox
- TikTok and Cranberry Juice
- The Ooshies scheme
- Holidays, annual leave and switching off
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It's the daily Talk Show Episode 876. What's happening? gronk? So what's going on? How are we? Happy Thursday? Do you feel like this week is flying by? If I might just panicked? Like, is it Monday? It feels like fucking Thursday, Thursday, tomorrow's Friday, and then you have the weekend. This is crazy. When do you think?
When do you think Time goes quickly? Because I think COVID and locked down as sort of challenged my thoughts around time. And the speed of it doesn't there's only one speed. It's the time that said like it's there. But it's just our processing. What do you think it is? That makes it feel? So?
Yeah, it's interesting. I would have said previously, if you have a filled day, it goes quick, like there's a lot on. Yeah, and I get up you go, you get your brekkie you're out the door, you know, like it's all around sort of that momentum of moving forward and actually, geographically moving. Yeah. Geographically is your new favourite sort of love everything. Well, I wanted to say something else.
It's, it's funny, you pick up on these things, because what's the I'll think of it, but I'm replacing a word that I haven't been able to get to in my brain yet. What is it? What do you think it is? I'll get there. You keep talking. You know,
I'm thinking what's, what's the area? Maybe I could help book is clearly around the geographical or so it's like, you're moving around. Yeah, it's it's more it's another descriptive word for like, your location, your geographical location. You know, it's like, it's just another one. Okay, I'll mix it. If you can. If you can find it out, find out that'd be great. No, but I think the interesting thing is, this week is one of those weeks where I've got a few things I need to do. And I've sort of given this been like yesterday, for instance, I was like, You know what, I'm giving myself a break, I'm gonna have a chimichanga. For lunch, like I did Uber Eats lunch, which I haven't done in a long time. And I was just like, I'm going to do a little bit of work. But I'm not going to put a crazy amount of stress on it. But the thing is, that
I feel the need, I need to do a bunch of stuff. today. I feel like if I don't get things going now, it's gonna get to the end of the week, and you're like, I haven't achieved anything. So I do feel pressure under these tomorrow.
It is classic cram Janssen though. Classic cram Jensen. I was always a crema. Always a crema, still are a kurama. Yeah, I think it's the it's optimism. It's the it's a mixture of procrastination, and optimism. I think that in some ways it works. It works for us sometimes, because it means like, I'll always be working on something. Yeah, but it's not always GB does the same thing. Yeah, you know, it's like you can, you'll go all in on something. And you can spend so much time on it, it's not always the main thing that you need to be doing. But it is it does feel like you're moving forward. Well, I think I could sum up your procrastination quite well. And it's somewhat of a compliment, because your procrastination actually comes out in finding other highly productive things that move us forward. But then it's like, then the panic will sit in. So for instance, you'll build a fucking website in a day that is highly, highly beneficial for the business. But you'll leave the Edit to last minute, and then you'll panic about it. So technically, it's productive for you. But it can but the feelings like because what are those little like, drop, you know, if you got a little, you know, there's little dropping things that you put under your tongue, like perdre, that kind of thing. But imagine sort of the ingredients that are put into your body, it's anxiety, it's fucking stress. It's like, all these little things that get you flowing at the very last minute, but then all of a sudden, you've done more than what you needed to do. Because if you actually, yeah, it's easy to do. Yeah, you only you would actually have less on. So the thing is that this is this is my justification, whether it's right or wrong.
when I was younger, I would be a perfectionist. So if I had two weeks to work on something, I'd be working on it like I would just spend all the time on it. And so part of the cramming and procrastination stuff is rather than being strict, like rather than focusing on a single thing to be stressed about, just leave it and cram it and put it like into a like a tidy little box. So okay, I'm just going to focus on that in that time. The problem is
that it never quite works that way. Because you do have the evenings were like, Fuck, I got to get that thing done. I need to do this like you. So you want there is a residual effect to the procrastination. But I think some of the best things I've ever done have happened from procrastination. Funnily enough 2013 I had an idea for a documentary on procrastination never got around to doing it, which is so annoying, but it was called, do you know what the documentary was called? I think it's so fucking great idea
was called coming soon. And so what I was going to do was, this is a classic thing that I've done even jack post and I've been talking about this as he's working on phase two of Jackie Roach studios, his podcast, it's like, yeah, we can be very much drawn in to the launch of something. Right? And so the idea of the procrastination daco was the first scene that I filmed is me going around Melbourne, putting up billboards and signs for the documentary that's coming soon. And then it's just me going, Okay. Fuck, now I've got to do this thing. Save your work, you work it out. Like, is the safe, we just did a dive into the Docker shop, like it's already been made? It starts with putting the posters up, but the it's not actually made. And do you have any idea of what the doc obey? Or are we gonna discover, as you discover? Because you've even procrastinated on coming up with the concept of Well, I think I you just you bring up early, like the hypothesis around like, for whatever reason, I'm I'm a procrastinator, and then I probably speak to a few people. Because Yeah, you could do something very interesting about the
sort of the benefits of procrastination, which is a, which would be a classic progressive move, well, well, just just on the, on the thought of procrastination,
it could be seen as diverting the pain so or like, pushing the pain to the side for the moment, because you procrastinate, things that you don't necessarily want to do, or you want to do them. But they require something from you, which could be then be painful, or you're not in the right place. To activate that part of your brain, you just think that you're not ready for being creative in this moment, whatever be right.
The problem with it is that all those things end up happening later down the track. And so it's it's, I mean, we were talking yesterday about sort of just the weed, the wirings of our brains, and that's one of them. Procrastination is definitely up there. or delay gratification, all of these things like you think about even the resistance. Like I love walking, I'd like it. But I just like, even with this step challenge. I'm annoying myself with it. Like I know that I can just go out and I can do it. And I've been having a half an hour Convo with
Pete Shepard on the phone. And I get off as I was sitting. It was buying chicken fillets. Whilst he was on the phone to me, he was out and about. Yeah, yeah, lemon, so just hang on a sec. And I was like, Oh, he's ordering us. I just got to order something else. Okay.
When you're on the phone to somebody, and they're doing something, it's like, oh, it's a bit sort of, like suspenseful. Yeah. I feel like I'm sort of like, uneasy, and he's like, Yeah, can I get, you know, four of the lemon? What the fuck is this going? I thought was gonna be lattes, and you have lemon chicken. And I was like, where I was at the butcher. So I was I always say, like, the people that you're on the phone to, and you don't know, you kind of that must be out and about. And next minute, they're just like, they haven't informed you that they're about to ask something. And next minute, you're just like, they haven't even said to us or I'm at two seconds. Hey, can I get this? It's just like from conversation. Yeah, I have those, you know, they just straight into it. It's very God, bit abrupt. I always feel that with the post office, because I walk to the post office. And then I go in. And then there's this transitional point where, especially if I, if I've walked in, and I've still got my air pods on, I can't hear them. And so it's this upsetting thing where I have to ask them to repeat themselves, but I am the guy that will take the air pods out. I understand the perceived rudeness in not, but I'm looking forward to the day that what this is going to happen in the next two to three years. Where air pods all of these products will become hearing devices are already sort of moving that way. And so the social acceptable thing is you are wearing them all the time, they'll probably run flush to your ear, you won't even be able to notice them, you'll be able to amplify sound. But then you'll also be able to listen to a podcast so there will be this weird stage I'm sure we're going to hear about it in the news where they'll say you know
Are we connected? Are we talking to one another? Because you think like looking at the screens are bad. Think about you're having a conversation with someone. And you don't know whether they're listening to you or whether they're listening to a podcast or they've they've switched their microphone so that they can hear better behind them so they can hear the conversation of the people that are that are having an argument. I mean, what about when neuro link neuro link comes in, and you've got it tapped into your brain? Or even like your eyeball? There's a big company going to be releasing new glasses. So yeah.
This is where we need like a Mr. 97, who probably has been reading, we can actually call serves have set up the phone to make it very easy for this show would know. Yeah, yeah. Get him on.
And then I'll set it up. Yeah. Big on what what have you What have you heard so far? So some previous Apple employees who have left the company and they are currently working on a new operating system, and they've created a startup? I actually, you know, where I heard it This Week in Startups with Jason Calacanis. What is it Calacanis? Yeah. Jason Calacanis. Okay, several of you there might.
Miss nine, seven. Hello. Yeah, this guy. This is a nightmare. It hasn't worked as it. I reckon he's probably hung up on me. Oh, either says he's in bed. He could be doing work. Yeah. Yeah, he probably used doing it. You know, just try to call it I tried to get fancy and call him first and then unmuted me. Okay. Yeah, I'll get access. I tried to be smart. And have you on the line, as TJ was telling that story to unmute you. Could you hear him at all? No, no, no, no, no, no. That's all good. So TJ is talking about this new thing, TJ, what is it? These Apple employees who have left and have started a new company, and they're going to be releasing a product that is will probably become something like the Google Glass or like the Snap, snap?
I was gonna say testicles, spectacle thought.
I remember that.
No, I haven't. Okay. Well, it's annoying. Just he tells something interesting. That's happening in tech. I mean, your go to site is The Verge technology. I mean, that interesting. You sent an article A while ago around. So the journalists that worked for the Burj, going off and using their own software, but they're going to substan or May, yea creating their own mailing list and our newsletter for traders. But interesting, The Verge recently put up I reckon, today, they've put out a thing saying,
support independent media, like support us. And here's a little Donate button on their site. On the verge. On the verge at the top of the verge, there's this little yellow box, that's just like donate to us. Don't you think that that's a little bit cheeky cuz The Verge is owned by Vox media? Yeah. How much do we think Vox is worth? I mean, Vox is bringing in probably 100 million a year. Let's have a look at Vox. Vox media, valued at 140. I that was 2012.
Huh. To evaluation? I mean, the company more sorry, the company's worth more than a billion dollars.
Total of 300 and $6 million in funding.
Yeah, that's ridiculous. The, the the thing the bannisters like explanatory work is important support us.
And so you think that this is the move away from advertising? They just, or they wanting to double dip?
I mean, I wouldn't know I run an ad blocker but the ice I would.
Yeah, I mean, they can't i can't imagine them earning heaps of cash through the ads. Like it's not like they're doing integrated posts or anything like that. It's more just like,
almost like, here's a banner placement put your ad in.
Yeah, I can. I can imagine just like if they've got however many, you know, journalists and writers putting out like, editorials and articles and stuff like they shouldn't they shouldn't overhead. So I don't know.
It actually probably draws to the fact that they're paying the journalist fuck all, or they think they think that journalists get paid I think the So Jason Calacanis, who has the podcast this week in start up, he was talking about substack. So I actually have a substack Josh chancen substack.com I've never done anything on there, but we should definitely do it procrastinating. Jason, Jason fox is all over it. He does a great job of sub stack. And so the idea is, it's like a paid newsletter slash blog. And so you could get set up and what's happening is there's been a bit
Have an exodus on these big journos, especially the ones that are perceived a little bit controversial, but they have a really strong base of supporters. And so what they're doing is Jason Calacanis was saying, they're probably getting
hundred and 40 150,000 a year as journal as sort of, Wow, those sort of senior journals. So it's not like peanuts. I mean, it's obviously not podcasts or money, like what were on these books don't pay for themselves.
yeah, so so he was talking about what's potentially happening is companies like substack. us committing to journals and saying, hey, come over here. We'll give you a guarantee. So we'll give you say, 50 grand a year guarantee, and then build on that platform. And they could be making a bunch more money. Yeah, yeah. So they've said on on the
it was the verge, and it takes you to Vox and it says your contribution does not constitute a charitable donation. But it will enable Vox to continue bringing you essential information for free at the pace and scale of the Coronavirus crisis demands. Maybe they're saying that the demand is higher based on Coronavirus and the UN. I mean, it's a lot more common. Therefore, yeah, and so this is the thing. So it's we have, we've accepted as a society that, for the most part, there's all this sort of media that we don't pay for, right. But there's people doing the work. And if we do have a problem, if we look at the social dilemma, and we say, Oh, we don't want to be the product, and we don't want to have these ads, and also think like there's got to be an alternative. It's not like, okay, turn off the ads, turn off the algorithms and then just get this content for free. There needs to be a change in the business model. So maybe Vox sees the writing on the wall and saying, okay, to be a media business, going forward after you know, 2020 it requires something where they have a direct relationship with their readers and their readers become customers. Yeah, I guess it's Patreon. If you if your content is worthy enough people will spend the cash. People will help, you know, put money behind it. I guess the donation model makes you really think.
Okay, yeah, I love what they do. I've got I want to help them continue doing what they do. It just sent I think the weed bit is coming from a large business is what you're pointing out. It's like, seems huge from the outside. It's like, hang on, wait, that's like, usually they like independent creators or, you know, people running a small operation that seemed to do that. That model. Yeah. Any other tech news? Nice?
Um, no, not really. I mean, I was writing an article about a supersonic jet that they really just released the prototype, but nothing, nothing really special that
it's interesting. All the supersonic state you've, you've just discounted, you know, millions of hours of work by very small.
It's only a prototype, it doesn't fly it so. And once you watch documentaries on the Concorde, you realise that any talk around the supersonic stuff, there's a huge amount of issues with them. Like it does sound amazing being able to get from London to New York in what was that less than three hours or whatever, is awesome. But, you know, sonic booms and shit. Like you got to worry about things. Yeah. Are you working out right now sibs? No, we did. We did a workout earlier, but I was just making my smoothie. Okay, great. All right, well, give us 1010 push ups. Thanks. We'll see you soon. Love you. guys. Bye.
Have you seen the The Tick Tock that's absolutely blown up.
And it's got Fleetwood Mac song in it. You like Fleetwood Mac? I love iMac Yeah, you do you say to Google to play Fleetwood Mac, do you say play dreams?
it's gonna completely blank. I'd say play Fleetwood Mac. I'm trying to think of my favourite song. They just serve it up. They serve it up. So this guy I can't but you haven't seen it. Like it's not I haven't seen it. So there's a guy on a skateboard and shaved head Dude, you know probably nice. Light 30s looks like an older fella like just having the time of his life and he's got this big big bottle of cranberry juice. And he just is like cruising and then drinking the cranberry juice singing lyrics to dreams. And there's something about it. It's just it's it's fucking gone. Nuts online. Fleetwood Mac have hit the charts again for like the most streams.
You know, since it's been released, it's like the broken record.
To the streams, but you haven't seen it. No, I haven't. But I have heard about the I saw around lately on sugar and your tweet saying about the cramp. Everyone's drinking cranberry juice.
So, I mean, the I've got myself in a little fucking Yeah, put my foot in it with what I say Usually, I think I less as I get older but still, you know that I'm the guy that's putting my foot in it when I was younger, though.
So there's the the classic one of I said to a girl when I saw her at MCAS I was like, have you been swimming? She's like, what? No. Who here? Looked wit? Sure I saw it and call it for what it was even to the pool. You know, oily hair. Sure. Fuck that one right up. The other one was, which McDonald's was a LCD? It was a classic meeting spot. What time? Are we? About? 3pm? Probably just getting a kewpie at last quarter pound getting a kewpie Yeah. Anyway, and then
relating to the cranberry juice. I walked in
an ex girlfriend the time who might own this sort of like, settle on when we went in there. And she's got this big bottle of cranberry juice drinking it just said, what you got a UTI? Because I'd heard like I thought it was just a joke. I thought she loved cranberry juice. But I also knew that like people drink cranberry juice for urinary tract infections. And she's like oh, what No, no. End of story. My fucking girlfriend at the time when we get back she's like the fuck did you say that for she does have a UTI
never get hit so when I saw this guy just cruising on his fucking skateboard
is bought by guys got a UTI
is palm cranberry juice. pomegranate is a default root brosky now pomegranate palm palm? Or is it the name of the brand? Wonderful. I don't know if it's
POM wonderful. Is pomegranate juice. pot. Yeah. pomegranate. And so cranberry is different from this cranberry? cranberries. Other things? Yeah. cranberries. cranberries. Yeah.
Great. Cranberry juice was like the there was one that I thought was a berry. That's not a berry. That's a made up name. What am I thinking of? I have no what's the one way that the guy's like stomping around in the fields? What do you mean, there was a no, there was a specific drink where it's cold something and I thought that that's the berry but it's a it's a it's a manufactured thing. I know what it is. Like it's a fake Berry. But they've like that's a great idea. I come up with an idea. Well, what's it called? What's the big red? Red juice?
That's gonna piece me off red juice. berries.
Made up on Google. What did what do we get? Very, very burst. You know what I did? Very
well, I went to went to boost juice. Oh, yeah. I got the Janine favour. Not even you anymore. I remember that. Yeah. Janae mango. Have mango in it. Yeah, it's really um. It's right, Bina. Thanks, Shana, right. Robin is not a fruit. rhiwbina is not a is not a fruit. So rhiwbina berries
What is his origin brand of black currant based and carbonated What? juice or any carbonated soft drinks and forget both. So there you go. So rhiwbina is not a berry. Okay. Yeah, that's, that's interesting, because that was the that was a, they did well, when we were young. Like that was a brand that was out there like the like in the sort of little juice boxes. You're right. beaners in a big bottle.
Yeah. I mean, there is something about like,
I feel like when I was drinking the carbonated drinks, a lot of sort of backed down a little bit from it all of life. But
I would always bring it up because I wanted to be able to drink them in client meetings. Like when I'm on a call. I would, at the start set it up when they would say how are you going, Josh? How should I say it's good because I got this drink. And I tell him about it. I say Oh, it's got some flavour and it's actually really delicious. Is my guide. It's got that but the I said this to one client, and it was amazing. I didn't realise this but in a previous life, he was a like a bit. He worked
For like in the beverage industry, everything is so it seemed like because such a quirky thing to bring up right like, Hey, I'm going to talk about this beverage and he just starts naming faxes all year they would have gotten the thing from this factory and that I was very impressed. That's great. Yeah, it's not much of a story but then the next meeting great
nothing to say got nothing just
just finally before we finish the oshi scheme continues on yet another day. More receipts. Yeah buddy rocks out to the cafe new persons on it's not it's not George he's go to barista for his baby Chino, and all she deals. And it's the sister, George's sister. And what is she got an N packet. Or she inside? She thought about Bodie when she was at the supermarket. She brought it and gave it to Bali. But then she asked me, hey, if you have Elsa, as in the Disney character, yeah, if you have Elsa, my daughter would love it. I said, Great. So get back in the car. Amy, do we have a spare Elsa? Yes. Amazing. I'm sending currently in the mail out three of Bodie spares to gronk store. So who needs him for his son's collection? And we're helping out so it's becoming a full just operation Oh, this is full time.
full time job. I won't be able to do work for the next six months because I'm I'm just oh she's changing or she's every every moment. And so I'm wondering I feel like at the cafe they could put up a sign like
want to leave your shit like that you can put them into a into some sort of backups or whatever.
I mean, that's a no they also want a sign saying can you please money Coronavirus is highly effective. I mean, if people are donating to a business that's raised $300 million.
I can't help but feel that we should be you know, donating to these other things. I do think very quickly. Okay. So it's been an entire year, I think and since I've been on a holiday, so last time was Daylesford. Yeah, September the end of September, for I think it was three days. Yeah. And I was thinking when was the last time you went on a holiday?
It was I think it was our ffs.
is what you
know, did we do anything? I can't remember. We died. No, not really not. I said, this is the problem if you can't remember. What if it was based on not
saying what he told me? I'm pretty sure we just had a headache.
Last time, yeah.
So no, I was thinking I was like, what are we going to? Like? I feel like with all the COVID stuff that's happening.
We can't do holidays but we should at least consider annual leave. We should consider like what look like to take a wait like what would it look like for you to take away to their me to take away Mason to take awake? To be honest, it's so close in in the year and we haven't really like you talk about no holidays. We've been at home. It's like, the like, have you This is my this is my thought. Yeah. Never getting to really switch off. Not really like the that's the thing that you don't realise. Right is it's like yeah, I get the the psychology of especially when they do like, you know, businesses do forced annual leave or whatever, which is around Christmas time for us, huh? Yeah, I wonder before things ramp up with like, filming and all that sort of thing, what it would look like to do a week. This is just a thought. What do you think not? Yeah, no, I agree. I think though, we're so close to the end of the year. I'd rather take weeks off at the end of the year, that gives me like I disconnected the end of the I love that time of year, like the Christmas break. Usually we go up to Sydney and it's just like a time to just reset. And so the heartbeat is when you're trying to disconnect to then come back to ramp it up hard.
And so it's like in the year is that time for me? Do you reckon it will be different though this year obviously cuz like I don't know whether Sydney like whether you'll be able to we can either way it's like it is the time when the vibes there. It's like right now I can't go anyway. My son.
I wonder about like you have a kid if I've got any leave and it's like my kid
Go into daycare. It's like I'm still in it. I don't have the luxury of like it just feeling it still feels like a work week for me. It still feels like stuff's going on based on. So how do you get off though? Because I feel like it's like I feel it and then you would be feel like I can imagine you're feeling it to where it's just like,
not like we're just waiting that extra amount of time. Yeah, I mean, I such a small period of time, I guess if you're struggling, then it's a different conversation. I think it's like you're trying to slip challenges making me feel heaps better, actually moving into like an end. So I'm just gonna fire it up to sort of kick into gear, rather than pause, it's like actively do the stuff to make it better. So I can continue and have a break. It's like, I guess it's for the people that want to work through the fucking Christmas break. It's like, most businesses shut down. If your business to business, it's like, a lot of time, you gotta slow it down to that period of time. So to be honest, I would love the, in the previous years, we've had the, my The, the concern of
the business over the Christmas periods. And it'd be amazing to get to a point where you're like, I have to think about it. We've done really well. And it's a time to just have a break. And we know we can come back and just get started. It's not coming back and just fucking blowing blowing it in the first week. But it's like, being in a good space to come back to would be where do you think? Where do you think like from a business, if you were to design, the way businesses could operate in 2021? I think about like, future of work what it all looks like what leave looks like, there's a bunch of companies that obviously, they do Unlimited, you know, employees take as much as you want. What do you really like it with a base camp doesn't? And I mean, so they're all they're not remote? there?
were distributed teams, distributed teams. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's it. That's a easy one, the distributed team stuff is, is gonna happen more next year? You can you look at the city, from where we are, I can see the big buildings. It's like, there's 10,000 people in that fucking building, or there's 5000. But you know, so is there something is there something I think about the annual leave thing, because people get pissed off with the forced annual, like, I know, people like fac have got to take, I don't want to take it blah, blah, blah. But there's like, I've seen those occasions where it's like people work through Christmas, right? Because it's quiet, and then they'll fucking take annual leave when it's busy for them.
You know what I mean? Like, I want to go by it. So the thing is, it's like, the, I get the I get the idea of saying, Okay, let's, you know, I want to just switch off from a Christmas perspective. Yeah, I just wonder what it would look like, like,
having times throughout the year. So could you actually reset perspective, rather than just be like, by the end of it, you're not actually that optimal, because you're fact because you're just trying to say the finish line versus I'm taking into consideration this year. And then I'm thinking, well, the end of the year, next year, if we're hopefully back to some kind of new normal buzzword, but that you know, it's like, Fuck, usually the the challenge for most people has been time off equals going somewhere going on a little trip, not even overseas, it's like fucking, to the farm or to someone's farm or, you know, in a caravan. It's like that shit has been off the table. And so, yeah, I mean, people need breaks, though. So this is my thing. It's like because I completely understand and get that which is like, you think ahead and you're like, Okay, going into a holiday, we're going to do this, we're going to do that. But
if potentially, you know flights aren't happening till April or whatever it is, do we need to come up with a different version where people can disconnect? How can you like so that no one else is asked you to put in your annual leave like you needed to give us your tentative dates. Because then what that saying is, you're using it or some people don't want to use it. So it's an individual thing. And this is the rights of someone who is employed. It's like they get to choose they get to save it up, they get to do what they want. So it's more of if you were saving it up because you think you can't take it because you're too busy. Don't do that. Take it you need to you need the rest but but then if that's the objective to go I want four weeks off in a December period, like literally December five, through to fucking Gen five. I want the full month of paid
That's, that's what uh, that's what someone who is employee gets to make the decision on? Well, they have lockout periods and things like that. And so what's the When was the last time that you felt that you switched off?
Probably last Christmas. Mm hmm. But then let's look at this fucking year. It's like, but that's why but I wonder like, is that just a pain that so there's a story there, which is like, Yeah, but we forget about like the annual leave stuff. And then she changed. And so I think it'd be a great idea to look at blocks across the year, when it is a smaller team like ours, we can actually just have a meeting about like, who wants to take what, where, and then you just like, well, let's plan to that. Because when it's small, it's like, it helps when it's very impactful when someone goes, but that's not a reason to have people not go. And so you work towards having people having people sort of take that time. And so yeah, that's a that's a great idea. Have a have a conversation about what that looks like? Well, because you can I can just see it like, what you don't like you don't make it a priority. And then it's not helping anyone. It's not helping the individual who's like, exhausted just hanging on. Yeah, just think about how good I feel after taking some leave. Huh.
It's interesting. Great. It's a daily talk show. Hi, the daily talk show. And I'll be back in a month. We're better No. So I was thinking so. So now I started thinking about like, what would it look like? So would we do like a cohort like so if I did a week? Would you have like a co host? like different codecs? That was definitely I think that's a that's the key. If we actually get into the granular bits, usually we've done a stint of going hard, which I think if someone stays on it ruins him for the next week. Like it's, it's too much. It's like, even though you get to sort of not have the shows the next week, it's like to get that many shows recorded his labour some. And then, you know, it's like, you're back at work the following week, but then you'd like to spend. That's been the experience. Like after we did the Sydney, we went to Sydney and recorded a fuckload of chats. Or even like an ally, when we came back from LA Yeah, had a wait where we had all the the interview shows or what the pre records or whatever. That's right. Yeah, it's sort of it's a bit of a recovery. Yeah. Your recovery, your recovery, shaking.
To be fine. If it's interesting, I think like, there is I don't know what the answer is. But I think there's an open there's a
there's an open bit where it's like, how to hat like, how do we avoid burnout? How do we make sure that we're getting the most out of everyone? And so, if you're listening and your workplace does something great that you personally love, even though it might be sort of a precedence that they've said, what works for you? Let us because a lot of businesses have done forced annual leave during the COVID stuff, as well. Well, that's a fucking survive. It's like you need to take your annual leave, because we can afford money because we would argue that anyway, so we get to give you that we're going to pay down your debts to you. Yeah, with the money you've accrued. It's like, yeah, it makes sense. I know people have complained about it, but it's like it's what needs a survival method of the business. Hmm. Okay. All right. Hi, the daily talk show comms email address. Otherwise, we'll send them our guys have a good one. See you guys.