The Grill Guy

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 864.

Tommy: Happy weekend, banter gronks. What's happening? What's going on? Jess Lucas, hi, welcome to the show.

Jess: Thank you.

Josh: Hello.

Mason: Yeah, happy Sunday—

Josh: Saturday, Saturday, get it right. Um, uh, Jess, you've changed your, um, bio on Instagram. Congrats.

Tommy: Oh geez. Hang on, wait, can I be the one that reads it out? Oh no, I'm not going to be able to. What's your—

Josh: Jess is annoying, it's got underscores and things like that.

Mason: I think it's just Lucas underscore underscore.

Josh: Jess, getting close to that thou. I remember when you first started with us, you just wanted to hit over 800 followers and you're, uh, 933, I believe.

Tommy: Oh wow, this is big.

Jess: Okay, I'm making something the other day and I got quite a few followers.

Josh: Congrats.

Tommy: Okay, so her New Insta bio is Jess Lucas, AKA, and then she's put a hot dog emoji, and then she has something. It's like enthusiast. I don't know what, what are those little lines? What's that line? What are those lines?

Jess: Glasses?

Josh: No, what is that?

Jess: It's a flamingo.

Mason: It's a fact. Yeah, that's right.

Tommy: Oh dude, it's gonna say it's—

Josh: why do I hear flamingos so much?

Tommy: No, no, no, go on your computer. The thing is, when you're in Chrome on a desktop It doesn't show the flamingo. So currently— Oh no, you haven't bulk tested your bio. And then you've got a little microphone, the Daily Talk Show, and Too Much Telly.

Josh: What I appreciate is the, um, the big media company website, you put the dub dub dubs on there, like, just in case people weren't on the World Wide Web yet. I mean, who's still doing that?

Jess: I don't know.

Mason: You don't type in media company.com.

Jess: They work without it.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, I had an old guy—

Mason: A lot of problems.

Tommy: I had an old guy on my radio show up in Shepparton, he said all the W's and then he read his address out.

Josh: All the W's.

Tommy: I was like, wow, that's a lot. Is it more to say all the W's? But I paid it.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: God, it was good.

Jess: Yeah, great.

Josh: I mean, I did—

Jess: Mine's coming up.

Mason: No, I don't know what you're talking— In Chrome it works.

Tommy: I'm in Chrome now.

Mason: And in Firefox.

Tommy: Bizarre, huh? Bizarre. I'll screenshot it for you guys.

Josh: Okay, good. Can you do a little Loom video explaining?

Tommy: Oh yeah, yeah, explain it all. Yeah, no worries. No worries.

Josh: Um, Sebbs, what's, what's happening with you?

Mason: Oh, not too much. I'm, I'm excited for our clay kit. I mean, I think I spoke about it on Wednesday. You did Wednesday's show?

Josh: Yeah.

Mason: And, um, so I'm just getting, I'm getting fired up for what we're gonna do with that. I don't know, I don't know what we're gonna make, and I don't know how it works, what the process is, whether we need to add water to the clay or if it's ready to go now. But we've got the little spinny thing. So can you show that manual spin though, or, uh, no, I can't. Hang on, it's in, it's, it's in the, it's still in the box that it got sent to us in, so I haven't actually opened the box from, from the post.

Josh: But is it manual?

Mason: It's, it's 10, it's 10 kg and it is a manual spinner. Yeah, it's not, it's not automatic, it's just a— so it's a lot of, it's a lot of clay.

Jess: He could make us little desk ornaments for when we go back to the office.

Mason: Yeah, it'd be a bit shit though.

Tommy: Yeah, I don't know if you'd want that on your desk.

Jess: Back yourself.

Mason: But also it has to be— it has— you have to pay for it to get put in the kiln. Kiln? Kiln.

Josh: Not sure. But the thing is, Mace, the annoying thing is you've brought up the clay story. This is why we only have you on Weekend Banter now, because you haven't actually brought anything new to that clay story. Like, unless you're just trying to really push the brand value that you're the clay guy. Can you show us the clay? What's the difference? What's the actual fucking update?

Mason: I have to undo it.

Josh: Can you ask?

Mason: No, what's just the case people have— am I allowed to open up the clay?

Tommy: Or is it like when you, you open it and then it's gone dry, you can't— is it sealed?

Jess: Maybe it's in a clear bag though. He can just—

Josh: yeah, he'll be able to hold up the bag. But I remember that. Do you remember, uh, in school playing with clay?

Tommy: Oh yeah, the smell.

Jess: Yeah, I want to do it.

Josh: Here we go.

Tommy: What were you putting your thumb in, Josh?

Josh: You'd put your thumb in the clay, like you'd have to create a bit of moisture, and so you put a hole in it and then you put water. Do you remember that?

Tommy: Yes, yes, yes. And then you rub the little— oh, fucking get a bit smushy.

Mason: Oh yeah.

Tommy: And then he had the—

Mason: oh no, no, no, no, I can't open this.

Josh: Uh-oh.

Mason: I'll just say this is the the worst packaging because it's like, it's hard.

Jess: Is that the clay paper?

Mason: No, no, it's hardened paper, but they put like dry—

Josh: oh no—

Mason: between. And so when I open it, it goes everywhere.

Josh: It's like newspaper, sort of. Yeah, yeah, sure. Okay, okay.

Tommy: Josh, were you across YakBaks?

Josh: YakBak. Let me guess what it is. YakBak, yak bak, yak bak. I guess a YakBak is like a, um, Something that you would drink out of that would go onto your back.

Tommy: Nah, nah, I can't believe— maybe you were, maybe you were a bit young.

Josh: Like maybe they were the bean bag type things to be able to like kick around. Yak Bak.

Jess: Nah, Tommy, I don't know what that is either.

Tommy: I knew you were close. I know you're the same age though. Maybe it was a couple of years off. Yak Bak is a line of handheld electronic voice recorder toys developed by Ralph at Team Mackenna for Yes gear. And anyway, so this was like in the mid to late '90s. Several versions of the toy were developed, which included the Yak Bak, Yak Bak 2.

Josh: I did have a Yak Bak. Fuck, that's a— man, that is a blast from the past, isn't it? Yeah, this is— I want a Yak Bak.

Tommy: I wonder— I reckon they're expensive. I reckon you can get them on eBay. eBay Yak Bak. Like, these will cost because you can't get— oh, imagine one getting one in the pack.

Mason: $20, $20 US.

Josh: So a Yak Bak, it's got like company cards, it's got definitely, it's got buttons on it, and you can— the idea is, TJ, that you can record things and then just play them back.

Tommy: Yeah, but you can warp the voice. There's a bunch of, there's a bunch of, um, sort of fun, uh, filters. I mean, we do have like probably, you know, superior technology right now, but there's something about that little handheld just to be able to just do a little— remember, remember doctors used to— did you ever see a doctor just talking into his little dictaphone? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, recorder. Yeah, yeah, a little— yeah, okay, so Mason has some kind of red spot on his penis and I'll have to— but like they would take notes and then they would be transcribing that shit.

Jess: Yeah.

Josh: That sort of went out of fashion, didn't it? Like, I feel like, I wonder what the deal was.

Tommy: Otter AI, just the transcription service.

Josh: But they also had the, do they still? I haven't had a wooden sort of, like an ice cream stick on my tongue for many years outside of, you know, eating ice creams. But do they still use them as a way of pushing down your tongue? Yes.

Tommy: Yeah, they do. They do for kids. I mean, you haven't been to the doctor.

Josh: And so why aren't they doing it to us? Or they do do it, it's just because I haven't been to the doctors.

Tommy: I think half the time it was because kids couldn't actually lower their tongue. As you get older, you know, your tongue manoeuvres become superior to a child. So you can, you know, oh, you just— I can drop my tongue down at the back.

Josh: I actually can't. I'm like really bad at that. Like the dentist will say, "Can you put your tongue down?" And I'll think I'm putting my tongue down. They're like, "That's up." I really struggle.

Tommy: Do you know what?

Josh: Get the right way.

Tommy: Is there any tricks? Jess, can you do like a four-leaf clover, a three-leaf clover with your tongue or anything like that? Like, or—

Jess: No. Oh, like on? Mm.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: There's something about people. There's not everyone can do that. Tricks?

Jess: The four-leaf clover is when it goes all crinkly. Yeah.

Tommy: Three leaf. So it says start with the tip of your tongue behind your bottom teeth, push the middle of your tongue down while pushing forward. This should create a fold along your tongue just above your teeth.

Josh: Who's not doing that? Hi@thedailytalkshow.com, we'll send you out stickers if you can't do it. Because I feel bad for you.

Tommy: Sympathistic stickers. No, I can't do— No, sorry, sorry, but the three leaf clover.

Josh: Oh, no, no, no, not that one. I'm sorry.

Tommy: No, but being able to, yeah. I mean, Bodhi even does the putting.

Josh: So we send you stickers if you can't do the, if you can't just do the tongue thing like what I'm doing now, which is just like your tongue out and it's just sort of like folded. If you can't do that, sympathy stickers to you. Just send us an email, hi@thedailytalkshow.com, and we can sort that out for you. We'll limit to 5 people just so it doesn't get too hectic.

Tommy: What do you think about tongue rings?

Josh: I mean, Jess, have you ever thought about getting a tongue ring?

Jess: Uh, nah, just because of the pain. But I feel like back in the day they looked cool. Yeah, or is that just a—

Josh: uh, my mum being a dental nurse, she was very— she's like, they ruin your teeth.

Jess: Teeth.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, they also like—

Jess: you could lose your sense of taste and things like that apparently. And also, oh yeah, imagine the split. Have you guys seen those, the tongue splits, the snake tongues?

Tommy: There's a bunch of things.

Jess: Does anyone else's tongue feel weird right now? Like after, like it's like strained or something from doing that?

Josh: No, no, I'm fine.

Tommy: I mean, I do my tongue workout every morning.

Josh: Yeah, that sounded bad.

Tommy: It sounded real bad. Um, no, but it's like the, uh, the ear— what are the ear holes? The, the, um, how you sort of like start pushing it out and you go further and further and it creates an actual circular hole in your earlobe. Oh, sure. Yeah, I mean, that's a commitment, isn't it? Like, once you've gone there—

Jess: I used to love boys with those.

Josh: Yeah, did you?

Tommy: Why?

Mason: Really?

Josh: Yeah, what was it?

Jess: Because I was, I was like an emo kid, like punk. Nah, I don't know, just like that whole aesthetic, I suppose. You know, they had like the big— this, I don't know, like they always had like the, the black emo fringe hair, the big things, tats, skater shoes, like What about when the stretchers were out?

Josh: Like, the thing is they look okay when they're like, they're black, but it's just like a shrivelled up— it looks like some sort of, you know.

Mason: Yeah. So are they just worn? Do you— if you get one, do you just wear them all the time? You just can't take it out?

Jess: Yeah, I think you have to. I mean, you can get them cut and re-sewn up if you wanted to fix it. Yeah, really? They do that now. Yeah.

Josh: I mean, the best thing to do is just not to do it, isn't it?

Tommy: Yeah, have you got any great photos?

Jess: Oh, she's gross.

Tommy: Have you got any photos, Jess, of yourself in that emo period that we could share on your company bio?

Jess: Um, yeah, I'll see if I can dig some up.

Josh: So what do you mean, like, when you talk about the emo thing, is it like going to gigs? Were you really into sort of like drummers and stuff?

Jess: Yeah, we used to go to the old fire station is where all the gigs happened. Battle of the Bands. Do you recall them?

Josh: Yeah, I was a band manager for the band My Own Enemy. They had tracks like 'We'll Smash Your Fucking Face.' Yeah, see, that's the kind of shit.

Jess: And I didn't enjoy that kind of music.

Josh: Screamo? So you didn't like screamo?

Jess: No, I love screamo, but those lyrics sound disgraceful.

Josh: We'll smash your fucking face. You wouldn't have liked that?

Jess: No, I probably would have at the time. But so my boyfriend was in a band and he used to go play at all these gigs and whatever, and it was just a scene. And you know when people were in that mosh pit and everyone would like spread out and it was like the pit of death or whatever it was called, everyone's like fly kicking and swinging their arms and legs around?

Tommy: It's horrible. It looks uninviting. You know, I couldn't think of anything worse, to be honest.

Josh: I get it though, I get it. In the— in Dandenong, there's a place called The Castle where they would have all of those events. It was just near the Pancake Parlour. And, uh, uh, yeah, interesting, interesting sort of, uh, scene. Not one that I ever really felt comfortable in.

Tommy: Do you think there's a period of time where you're going into an emo phase, or if that's what you want to go down, where— okay, any of them. So there's like A guy I went to school with who lent in hard to that bikie look. Not the gangster bikie look, but the old sailor type.

Josh: The leathers.

Tommy: You know, like old, you know, like the old tattoo, you know, the anchor look where they've, you know, you've got like all these sort of, they're just like coloured tattoos all over you. He bought a bike, he sort of rolled up the bottom of his pants, had sort of dunks on. Yeah, Popeye. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. The kid who did it though was also the one who lent hard into the Nike look when he was young. He got into the art scene, like he was always one that sort of lent hard into it. And there's a period of time before, like, I feel like you're convincing yourself that it's the thing you want to do, and you probably feel like you're not self-conscious, but you're conscious of I need to look the part before you become the part. Yeah, you know, when you're in the emo culture, is there— I mean, I haven't gone close to it, you just sound like you're, you know, the only expert out of us. Is there a moment where, you know, the person who's done their hair to look really emo—

Josh: so you're posing? You were— are you accusing them of posing at the start, TJ?

Jess: Well, I think they used to call them posers.

Josh: Posers.

Tommy: Okay. Yeah, well, all I'm saying is any of this stuff if you wanna become the guy, the girl that does a certain thing, there's a period of time before it feels totally aligned. Like, so you might be rebelling at first where you're feeling uncomfortable, but then you're like, boom, you hit a sweet spot where you don't feel those feelings anymore. I just think any of these subcultures that you get into would have that feeling, right?

Jess: Yeah. I remember having a conversation, we're at my gran and pop's house and I was with my mom and it was that phase when I was probably, entering into it maybe. And this is so, so embarrassing and makes you probably don't even know who they are, but I was listening to Simple Plan thinking that I was like this big rock chick, and then they were my like gateway into that kind of music, as well as my boyfriend at the time.

Josh: Perfect is one of my favourite songs of all time.

Mason: It's a good song.

Josh: I'm not even joking, love Perfect. Did you go to their gigs?

Jess: Simple Plan is so lame. No, no, no, I didn't end up.

Josh: What's lame about them? What's lame? Good music.

Jess: Because then I got real heavy. Like I was like full screamo, full emo. Like I went through a proper phase of like real kind of like.

Josh: Isn't that like the hierarchy? Isn't that funny that it's just like the first, the phase that you get into, like there's a point where you can't even talk about it anymore.

Jess: Yeah. If anyone knew that you listened to Simple Plan, they'd be like, Poser.

Josh: I mean, the thing is, listening back on screamo music now—

Mason: so Jess, is it— would you feel nostalgic listening back, or is it too much to even listen to it occasionally?

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, you, you're a total sort of out— you, you told us around the office that you— what were you, the, um, folk music girl?

Jess: Oh yeah, that's my go-to. I know I have the most eclectic taste in music. It's like, I love old school rock and roll. Like I'd love to go to a pub and just listen to that stuff like American Pie and whatever, Jesse's Girl.

Josh: American Pie is a great song. It goes for like 9 minutes or something. It's a bit long, isn't it? Don McLean.

Jess: And then I've got my emo music and then you've got your pop and then your folk and then what else is there? Like I love '80s music.

Mason: Do you like trance?

Josh: No.

Jess: So I don't like disco, techno, that kind of stuff.

Josh: I get that. You like ABBA though?

Jess: Yeah, that's not—

Josh: oh well, that's disco. You said— yeah, I just wanted to—

Jess: I meant disco was in like literally going down to 161.

Tommy: And so as an adult, um, depending on what scenes you're knocking around in, I could imagine— so you've worked in agency life, like you can predict what kind of people work in these businesses and the music that they're into, right? It's, um, and so how do you— is this a hidden little secret for yourself that you bring, like, to, you know, you choose when you bring out the screamo? Is this what— is this what we're finding out?

Jess: It's, um, I probably wouldn't play it for you guys. It's just sometimes when you're like, you know, driving or you're just walking and you just want to listen to that kind of music.

Tommy: I don't know, you guys have agency and you fucking need to let it a bit— let a bit out, don't you? Just a bit of screamo. Yeah, it's the endorphins going. No, I mean, it's safer to say around folk, around an office. You're like, it's like folk, and everyone's like, cool, and then they move on with their day, you know. It doesn't cause too much of a convo.

Josh: Guys, can I just say the, the, the biggest sort of gesture of love just happened. So you heard my throat getting a bit croaky. It's because I can't— I don't have any fizzy water at the moment because Bree separated them in the fridge and put a sign for mine and hers because I was drinking too many, and she's just heard me struggling to talk and went and got one of her cans.

Jess: That's love.

Josh: And has given it to me, which is huge. This is massive. I'm fine.

Tommy: You would, Josh. Josh, you would. I watched, what's that film, Steve? I know you will know this one. It was directed by Angelina Jolie.

Josh: Honey.

Tommy: It was Broken. Amy just yelled that. Now that's love. Assisting my content by yelling out the name of the film. Broken. And it's about World War II, um, cap— these, you know, prisoner of war over in, uh, Japan, Asia. So anyway, these people were—

Josh: now you're just asking everything.

Tommy: Long storey short, the long storey short is they went down in a plane, and this is back in the day, they had a few life rafts 3 of them survived in this life raft. They had limited food, water. So it's like amazing that in these planes they just pop out these life rafts and inside they have just these little care packs. Anyway, they lasted 40-something days. This is a true story. 47 days, something crazy like that.

Jess: Anyway, that is my worst nightmare. Oh dude, sharks crashing and then being stuck in the ocean with sharks. That is honestly my worst nightmare.

Tommy: No shelter. Like not enough water. They started eating. They tried to eat a seagull. They spewed. Then they started catching fish. They grabbed a shark and beat it up and stabbed it and ate it. Anyway, they survived and then were captured. But there was, there was one guy on the boat that when everyone was asleep, he got a bit emotional and fucked it, ate all the food.

Josh: And that's you, Josh. That's funny.

Tommy: Absolute Absolute dog.

Josh: Yeah, that's not ideal, is it? The thing is, I feel like I would do that, but it wouldn't be the same way. Like, I think I'd be like, oh, I'll just have one of their things or whatever. But then you add it up to 40 days, it's like, where's all the shit gone? But that actually reminds me, when I was a kid, I don't know if you had that. So there was two areas, two types of food that I got as gifts, which were, um, very novel. They didn't necessarily taste great, but I thought I was so cool. The first one was astronaut food. Someone went into like NASA or whatever and they, it's like dried strawberries.

Mason: Dried food.

Josh: Yeah. Yeah. So, do anyone else remember this?

Tommy: Yeah. Yeah.

Josh: Okay. So, there was that one. The other one was someone in the army and they gave like all these tubes of Vegemite. So, it's all like army colour, like green. And inside it was veggie. Does anyone, anyone know of that?

Mason: No, no.

Tommy: I wonder who gave it.

Josh: Yeah, but it was like, yeah, it's very weird because you feel like novel.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah. Like, um, the novel food I got sent, um, having, having relatives that live overseas, you know, you have sometimes access to different types of food. Australia, you know, has its way of eating, and then you've got somewhere like England. Jess, you've lived in London. Is that right? You've lived in London?

Jess: Yeah.

Tommy: Yeah. So, um, my cousin lives in London and he sent— I'd never forget this— this big tin. It's probably about 30, 40 centimetres high, and inside this tin had 3 different packets of flavoured popcorn. And now this is back in the day, flavoured popcorn was not a thing. The only thing there was, normal popcorn, or there was that fucking colourful asthma-inducing popcorn. That was the only two. And then this was—

Josh: so what's the difference between the one that you're talking about and the asthma-inducing one?

Tommy: All that, yeah, so that they are the— they were the two types. But what blew me away was, oh my God, there's popcorn out there that flavours like other packets of chips. You know, you've got like barbecue flavoured popcorn, you've got, you know, salt and vinegar flavoured popcorn. They just hadn't gone harder. Like, you look now, there's more popcorn on the shelves. There's more flavors. You got these crazy wacky macadamia and honey, or, you know, salt and vinegar, or whatever.

Mason: But caramel popcorn is great.

Josh: The cheddar one's the best.

Tommy: That was— I was so blown away by this popcorn, and I had this tin for probably 5, 6 years, man. Actually, maybe even more. I think it had toys in it, but I was like, that just reminded me every time I saw it. I was like, mate, Those London, those Englanders.

Josh: There's something about the cheddar popcorn that whenever I'm eating it, I connect it right to the factory. There's something that's so like bright about it and sort of filled with flavour that when I eat it, I imagine like someone with a lab coat and then like processing it all and putting it on. It's so delicious.

Tommy: All right, let's do flavour association. So last night, I, um, so how do we play? I've got— may have got stuck into, uh, Reese's Pieces, and I immediately thought of our trip to LA last year.

Josh: Sure.

Tommy: And it was very, you know, it just took me right back. Took me right back. I thought of you first, Josh.

Josh: That's nice.

Tommy: It is. If, if Josh was a flavor, he's Reese's Pieces.

Josh: Yeah, definitely. No, I, I agree. I think that's spot on.

Tommy: Jess, what's one thing that you eat and it takes you back to a memory?

Jess: Corned beef.

Josh: Oh, corned beef.

Jess: Bendigo?

Josh: Takes you right back.

Jess: To my gran and pop's house.

Josh: Oh, yeah, that's nice. Yeah, corned beef is an interesting one, isn't it? The colour isn't— Like, my mum loves corned beef, but it's just— What is it? It's like a— What is it called?

Jess: Is it silver side?

Josh: Like pickling? It's not pickling. What's it called? Like you're—

Jess: Is it silver side?

Josh: What is silver side? Is that— that's just the type of meat, is it?

Jess: I thought that was a cut.

Josh: The cut, yeah. So, that's a cut, but then it go— it's almost like it's acidic almost, isn't it? Like they use some sort of process.

Jess: From the back quarter of a cattle. Just above the arse.

Tommy: Oh, I see what you mean. Like a vinegar, they soak it in. Oh, what do you call it?

Mason: Brining?

Tommy: No.

Josh: Brining. I think it is brining. I think you just—

Mason: Brining, salt. Yeah, salt cured.

Josh: It's cured. Yeah, cured. That's what I'm thinking. Because when you think of cured meat, for me anyway, I think of, you know, small strips of meat. But this is something that's like in its— You see it in its entirety, right? It's like a big, big thing. And what would you have with it, Jess?

Jess: It'd be in a sandwich, fresh baker's delight bread with Nan's chutney and butter and just like little slithers. And it was— The best sandwiches. I still love them to this day.

Josh: That does sound good.

Jess: Is Nan still cooking? I'm craving one right now. Yeah, yeah, she's at home in Bendigo.

Tommy: Is she still churning out chutney?

Jess: Nah, she hasn't. Mum took that over and then she never made any this year. So she's really dropped the ball there.

Tommy: Oh mate, you can't pass the baton and not continue running. That's fucked.

Jess: I fucking know. Mum. No, do you know what she did? She burnt the massive pot. And so they're really expensive. She's like, I'm not doing that again. I'm like, well, you've taken the baton. You have to do it. So we're gonna have to buy her a new one.

Josh: So it sounds like an industrial grade that you're talking about.

Tommy: Is there one for you, Chevs, that you love, brings you back?

Mason: Yeah, it's not, not as much as a food, but jet planes. We, they're, I mean, you can, I think you can get them in like Woolies potentially, but it just, we used to have them when, when we did road trips around New Zealand. We'd just have them in the car and it'd just be the go-to snack in the car. And then also, um L&P, which is a soft drink in New Zealand as well, which is yum.

Jess: What's a Jet Plane?

Mason: It's, it's, it's literally a lolly in the shape of a plane, sort of like a Wine Gum kind of vibe. Oh yeah, it's so good.

Tommy: Yeah, Josh is—

Jess: Josh is a bit random.

Josh: Yeah, I was really proud of myself then because I was like, when Jess said, what's a Jet Plane, like, my instinct is just to fucking jump in. I was like, no, this is Mason's story, you know, it's But I do know about JetBlinds. Yeah, very nice. You can get them at Woolworths, just in the, um, they're in the international section.

Tommy: Um, Josh, I messaged you the other week and said, um, you need to watch Chef's Table Barbecue.

Josh: Oh yeah, I haven't watched it yet, dude.

Tommy: In that it's about, it's, you know, specific to barbecue, and it follows a few storeys of these different individuals that cook barbecue in Texas.

Josh: What's Mason laughing at?

Mason: Other areas getting a Traeger grill.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tommy: So it's got like a few storeys out of Texas, a storey from Australia, a guy that's got a restaurant in Sydney, um, over in Mexico. Oh dude, it's just using barbecue to cook the specific food. But we— it— they— the, the families that have passed down the the methods of cooking barbecue. It goes beyond just like knowing how to do it. It's like feeling it. It's like they don't know the temperature of their oven. It's all hand. They feel the top of it and they just know. And there's this lady in it that's just— so they start the episode, the season starts, it's only 4 episodes, but it starts just with the, the greatest person within that show. Like, they've just—

Josh: you've watched them all best.

Tommy: I've watched all of them.

Josh: I'm gonna watch this tonight, really pumped.

Tommy: Really great, like get some good food, watch at the cinema, next level.

Josh: Well, the thing is, so Jess, it's a contentious issue because like I've, for many, like TJ, can you attest to the fact that I have been the barbecue guy around wanting to do smoked meats and things like that?

Tommy: I reckon I've only started eating barbecue in my life since knowing you. Like, just— what? Just—

Josh: well, because the barbecue thing—

Tommy: so, like, barbecue, American barbecue, I think. Okay, yeah, you're thinking of snags.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm thinking of ready-to-go barbecue.

Mason: Bakers Delight bread.

Tommy: No, no bunning sausage.

Josh: No, the barbecue as in— it's a lot— it's like, um, it's more sort of your smoked meats and things like that, but Because since I've wanted to do it, I've lived in an apartment. It's very hard to do. But I do what Mason was alluding to is there is a Traeger grill, which is a barbecue. I wouldn't get the full size because how much meat does the full size one?

Mason: I think it fits about 60 hamburgers on it.

Josh: Yeah, 60 hamburgers, which I don't need that much space. And so, there's one that's smaller. And it has, it runs off power. It has a, you fill up like the, like wooden, is it called pellets or what is it actually called?

Mason: I think they are pellets.

Josh: Yeah, yeah. Wooden pellets and you like different flavoured, like types of woods. And you put them into this section, like this vat sort of section and it just smokes. It doesn't actually have a flame, these Traegers. Traeger grills, and they're smart, so they connect to your iPhone and will tell you when things are ready. And they do the best— like, it's— I know, Jess, you're probably thinking that this isn't like, yeah, this isn't barbecue, but this is legit. And so I actually— barbecue, yeah.

Jess: The other day, this is your version of the barbecue.

Josh: This is like— but look at the guy, like, the guy's got a massive beard who like explains the how to use— like, this is legit. This is I know that you don't think it's manly or something. It's called Traeger. Can you spell it, mate?

Mason: Yeah, T-R-A-E-G-E-R, grill.

Tommy: Yeah, Traeger grill. I heard you buy one of these and your testosterone levels go up. Yeah, yeah.

Josh: And so, the other day, Bray's like, what are you doing? And I'm on the balcony and I had a tape measure working out if the Traeger grill would fit. And I worked out that I could have the Traeger grill, but it would mean if I was If I was to be standing in front of it, I'd have to be in the apartment and have the door open, which isn't a good solution. But they're sick. Like imagine, you know, having a—

Jess: It's expensive as, Josh.

Josh: Yeah, it's a few grand. But I mean, Mason lives at home. Like, is it $2,800?

Jess: Yeah, this one is $1,899.

Tommy: You get the Taylor pellet.

Mason: I think this is also US.

Jess: I was looking at the Pellet Grill, which is $900.

Mason: That's also USD, so. Yeah, it's pretty full on. You'd be looking at $2,000 for, $1,500 to $2,000 for one of them.

Josh: But at that point, it's a hobby. It's not just about food. You can't be like, oh, that's like, if you work it out, that means you're paying X amount of meal. Like, this is, it's a lifestyle thing. But what I wanted to say was I would like—

Mason: Put that eggplant on there.

Josh: Oh, it'd be delicious.

Mason: Yum.

Jess: Eggplant.

Josh: Eggplant. Yes. Dance.

Mason: The—

Josh: no, what I wanted to mention, what I wanted to— airplane. The jet plane. Jet plane, that's right. The— what I would love to do I know it's gonna be a while. We had said that we were going to go to Dubai for 2020 World Expo and all that sort of thing. That's obviously all on hold. But when things do settle down, let's give it 5 years, maybe 3, maybe 2, maybe 2 and a half. It's crazy. When do you think you're actually going to properly, so the first people who are going to travel, there's like a risk involved, isn't there? Like who's gonna be the first, like I'm sure that Bali, And Fiji, like all these places will be hectic, right? Because I think that they're accessible, they're not crazy expensive compared to like even travelling in Australia. So, I feel like that's going to be a big one. But actually, what I was going to say was I would love when it's safe for us all as a team to go to Austin, Texas, specifically when South by Southwest is on.

Jess: Yes.

Josh: Because they've got like I had, when I, when I was at South by Southwest, I had meat, uh, like for breakfast. Like I had barbecue for breakfast and they would give it, and the fucking, there was a place, it was like under like a, um, an overpass thing in like the worst sort of location. But that forever, like you would get, uh, barbecue for breakfast and then they'll be like, all right, and here is your free homemade brownie with it. Like, it's the most outrageous thing. And the thing is, also I will just say on the barbecue thing, it's not that, but if you get rid of the like the mac and cheese and the bread and all that sort of thing.

Tommy: The white bread.

Josh: The white bread or the cornbread as well.

Mason: Cornbread.

Josh: Like all of those. So, if you get rid of cornbread, if you get rid of all that sort of thing, it can be a, I mean, if you're a meat eater, if you're a veggie, this is horrendous. But if you're a meat eater, The, like a barbecue, if you're not adding all of the barbecue sauce and stuff, it's not a bad little healthy option if you have a bunch of greens and stuff. What are they called?

Jess: Collard greens? You're investing in it now.

Josh: Well, I can't fucking fit the barbecue.

Tommy: No, you need to move to the burbs. You need to come out my way.

Jess: Yeah.

Tommy: Get a nice backyard.

Jess: Oh. But I feel like you should do it while you're young, you know?

Josh: You'll be here forever. Yeah, see, this is the thing. Yeah, I need to create these like, Does anyone else know?

Tommy: The problem is, the problem is, the problem is, Josh, I think, yes, you need to have had some success and found a bit of cash because you're the guy that will spend a whole 7 hours of your day.

Josh: Yeah, it's one of the things you like, there's a set and forget type of thing. But no, does anyone else feel that the life that you have, like, it's great, like, life is great, but then are you also thinking about the the future version where it's like, okay, I'm gonna have the— like, think about the future version where it's like, yeah, I've got that set up, I've got the— and I know people say like that shit doesn't make you happy, but it does. It does. Yeah, it's just amazing. No, don't you reckon like there is, there is a few happiness in being like, if, if you've just like actually— because the thing is that I would actually prefer not to— like, the only reason I'm the Uber Eats guy is because like— You don't have a trainer? Yeah, I don't have a trainer, but it's like, it's a convenience thing as well. It's like the, from a cooking perspective, it's like, this is what's always funny. Like Bree, I'm sure a lot of people are like this with Rebel Wilson at the moment. Rebel Wilson's fucking slamming it, like smashing, kicking goals, ISO, the best life. It's like when you can afford a fucking PT to come to your house, and you have like the perfect set. What is— yeah, personal chef, no excuses anyway at that point, right? Like, why are we like—

Tommy: absolutely.

Josh: And so that's what I feel, it's, it's like there is an element of, uh, when you think about all of these things, it is a privileged thing to be able to have the fucking time and the energy and the education and all that sort of thing to be like, oh, I'm just going to focus on myself, I'm just going to fucking focus on, you know.

Tommy: Yeah, there's a, there's a trade-off. Like, you look at YouTuber Casey Neistat, you put it perfectly. He's like moved to New York 20 years ago, and New York is the place that, um, you know, rewards the hustle. And it was 7 days a week working, you're there just to grind, which has shifted now because it's slowed right down. And he's moved to California, and he obviously, he made a lot of money, he he got out of it and moved to California. But he's like, you see him from these videos talking about focusing more on his day of just surfing and fucking family. And it's like, but it came at the expense of almost losing his marriage and probably not hanging out with his first kid or kids, and, you know, much. And, and so it's like grinding to get ahead, to then scramble and find a happy medium.

Josh: There's a sprint stage. I think that there is that sprint stage. And I guess if you're not careful, like, I love working though too. I think that's the other thing. I'm not like trying, I'm not wanting to like get a solution where I don't have to work. For me, it's like—

Tommy: But it's not even that. It's not even that. It's a version of life that is not needing as, as much intensity as one that is in the building phases. Like a building phase of anything.

Jess: When you want to work, that's what you want.

Josh: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you want sort of like freedom and optionality.

Jess: Um, like if you want to go out and go for a surf in the morning, then start work at 12, you could do that. That's the dream.

Tommy: Or you just, you know, you want to take a few days off.

Josh: I love surfing. Um, no, I don't mind just grilling till 12. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, what would I do?

Jess: I would just season my meat until 12 and then I'll start work.

Tommy: But what if, Josh, you did do the grill thing? This is the thing about life. If there's something you think you wanna do and you haven't done it yet, but then you do it and it changes your life. I'm not saying grilling is gonna change your life.

Josh: But the podcast did that for us. So 2 and a half years ago, we didn't have a podcast. And now it's like, I'm speaking to Bree this morning, and I'm just like, oh yeah, I've got to do the show. We've got Screenplay Sunday. Like there's shit happening. And the thing is, it was like a small— these are all these little small decisions which then create these big changes. So I think that people sometimes play into this like, oh, never work. Like it will never— but there's always a time where the people who are the best barbecuers, there is a time where they bought the first barbecue. You know what I mean? It's just like, and so like the other thing too is it sort of plays into like ageism a little bit where it's like, oh, what, so you get to a certain age and then all of a sudden you can't do shit? It's like, oh, you know, like you've had your chance if you haven't done it by this point.

Tommy: Oh yeah.

Josh: It seems so fucking boring. That's bullshit.

Tommy: I can't wait till you watch this Chef's Table. It is so good. It's because it's got all these elements. It's, you know, the guy that was told he'll be nothing but a barbecue, you know, working these parents' barbecue shop, and then he ends up owning one of the most popular, winning award. Like, it's so great.

Jess: You're gonna fucking love it. Is it Salt Bae?

Tommy: No, no, no, no, no, no, this is, um, dude.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah, good meme. Uh, Jess, you've given me some audio which I haven't played yet, which you wanted to play on the show. Do you need to set it up or what's the deal?

Jess: Well, I, um, I have something for to put out to the team It's mostly for you, Josh, to help you get back into the thing that you love to do and which might have also changed your life in the past. Okay, so the challenge is October is Mental Health Month and there is a, it's called One Foot Forward and you have to commit to a certain amount of steps.

Josh: This is good.

Tommy: Oh, great.

Josh: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. We spoke about this on Fat Fridays with TJ and I were talking about we wanted to do something in October that was some sort of health-related thing that wasn't being too silly. This is good.

Jess: Okay, go on. Okay. Okay. So this is what I'm thinking. Tommy, it's going to be maybe a little bit hard for you to commit to too many steps. So I thought we could have two levels. I'm a big walker. Josh, you're a big walker.

Mason: Huge walker.

Jess: So I think we can commit to more. And then Tommy and Mason, Mason, I don't know what you want to commit to. But George also wants to commit. He's in. So I think we need to start our steps now. But Josh, if you hit the audio, I feel like you've got your step count sorted.

Josh: Here we go. Tall Gronkh, Peter Sheppard and I, we do our weekly walk. We go to Uncle Drew's in Abbotsford. I was walking with Pete Sheppard the other day.

Tommy: Tall Gronkh.

Josh: Tall Gronkh. Yeah, we went on a walk this morning, had a little isolation walk this morning, Josh and I, 2 metres apart. Yeah, I think walking is a great is a great sort of day. I'd walk 10 kilometres a day. I'm a walking guy.

Tommy: I walk.

Josh: I haven't gone outside in weeks. The, the drama.

Tommy: You're the walking guy.

Josh: That's the thing Bri keeps saying. She's like, you fucking love walking.

Tommy: Walking hasn't changed. It's still one foot after the other.

Josh: Sunday I did 490 steps yesterday.

Tommy: Do you remember when you set out to be the million steps in a month guy?

Josh: Yeah, I have a book. It's called A Philosophy of Walking. It's all about walking. I went for a walk this morning.

Tommy: Oh nice, that's what's the first—

Josh: first walk in— oh, so it was one month. I haven't gone outside for a month. I've got glands that are huge. Like, I'm, I'm getting sick, or I am sick. Do you think— I mean, it goes out once and gets covered. I know, this is—

Jess: I haven't So Josh, to get you out walking, how many steps you want to commit to?

Josh: I mean, the thing is that TJ is going to push back straight away when I say the number. I can feel it.

Tommy: Well, I'm always the one that will try and get you to do something that you stick at because you got to learn from your mistakes. You are the million in a month guy that ruined it 3 days in. And we do have a business to run.

Josh: Because I wasn't stretching.

Tommy: No, so the thing, the thing is, so it's more than that. You need 5 hours of your day to be able to do the 1 million steps a day.

Josh: No, no, no, you don't.

Tommy: So if you were to look at—

Josh: so legally, what are we allowed? We're allowed to walk, we're allowed to go outside 2 hours a day.

Mason: 2 hours, yep.

Jess: But will that change from Sunday or no?

Tommy: Uh, maybe not.

Mason: Oh, it depends.

Tommy: That could—

Mason: well, so okay, so say 10,000 steps a day.

Josh: Yes.

Mason: If that's set as what everyone should be doing, so that's 300,000 a month, right?

Tommy: It's huge.

Jess: Let's push it.

Josh: I wanna do 500,000 and then I want GB to do a parody song, if I could walk 500,000 steps on Hump Day Replay.

Mason: Okay.

Josh: Yeah? We all good with that? And so Jess, will you do 500 thou? Yep, it's pretty easy.

Jess: I want to challenge you.

Tommy: How many?

Jess: Tell me, what are you committing to?

Tommy: Um, I'm 31. So hang on, wait, let's work.

Josh: What is it?

Tommy: 500,000 divided by 31?

Josh: I'd be like 14, 13,000.

Tommy: 13, 400,000 divided by 31. It's 16,129.

Josh: I was way off.

Tommy: Um, okay, the 16,000 is easy, so I was Oh yeah, look at your step count recently.

Jess: It's easy for a boss who just goes and does his own thing.

Josh: No, no, but the thing is you can just— No, but so think about it. So we need to look at it from an hour's perspective, I think. And so, um, how many steps can you do, Jess, in an hour?

Jess: I have no idea. I'll track it today.

Mason: Guys, um, I've, I've just gone on a step to kilometre converter you're gonna have to walk about 12.2K every single day.

Josh: That's fine.

Tommy: That's fairly big.

Josh: That's so cool.

Mason: I mean, so people run—

Jess: It's for feeding Josh, so.

Josh: No, look, people—

Tommy: Have you got your Apple Watch?

Josh: I do, yeah. I don't have it on right now, 'cause why bother?

Tommy: I reckon if you just, if you committed to 10,000 a day, you'll beat Josh, 'cause you'll probably have 3 days off.

Josh: Yeah, okay, well, let's have a look. All right, well, let's see how we go, hey? Maybe I will do a fucking million. Maybe I will do a million.

Tommy: Oh dude, I'm hoping.

Josh: I will do a million.

Tommy: I hope you fix how you speak as well.

Josh: Million, I'm saying million, right? No, this is good.

Tommy: This is great.

Jess: Sign us up as a team.

Mason: Oh, what if you start early? So what is— just quickly, so we have in Discord, we've got the activity tracking app. This is terrible.

Josh: I spoke about this on Fat Fridays. I love Charles. Charles is great.

Mason: Okay, so what are we using?

Josh: So this is the question.

Mason: What are we using? Apple Health. Can we use Apple Health to track it all?

Jess: Sure.

Tommy: Yep, perfect. Then we log it.

Josh: 'Cause then Josh, I probably need the new Apple Watch.

Jess: I'll connect you to my Apple Watch so I can see how you're going, or do you wanna keep it secret?

Josh: No, no, no, I like the idea of seeing it.

Jess: That'll motivate me.

Josh: Yeah, yeah.

Mason: Hang on, how do we connect? Can you connect it on a phone as well?

Josh: I don't know if you can actually, the activity thing, but we can work it out. There's got to be another app.

Jess: I think it shows in the— when I've signed us up already, so once it can all connect, so you can see everyone's.

Josh: Oh, good. Do you think Tully and Tony, we could get them involved as well?

Jess: Yeah, we could get all of the Gronks if they wanted to. We could set up a thing.

Josh: Okay, great. Yeah, I'm fired up.

Tommy: Yeah, this is great.

Jess: And we only need 2 hours a day.

Mason: What are the records for most steps in a month?

Josh: Yeah, sure. It's for my mental health. I don't need to know.

Jess: It's for everyone's mental health. You get it.

Josh: Yeah. Perfect. I'm fired up.

Jess: I think that— Wait, have we heard what Mason and Tommy's are?

Josh: Yeah, what's your step count?

Mason: Well, at least 300,000, well, 310,000.

Jess: Okay.

Tommy: Well, I'm— Mace, what's an hour a day? Can you—

Josh: is there something about 7,000 steps is an hour a day?

Tommy: Well, I'll do an hour a day. I'll do an hour.

Josh: You're gonna do under the recommended walking challenge?

Tommy: No, mate, I'm the consistency guy.

Josh: Consistent performing, 10,000 should be the minimum.

Mason: Well, to be honest, look, I'm just going over my past just literally in, in my Apple Health looking at my current thing. And so the week to date, um, has been 1,500 steps on average.

Tommy: Yeah, exactly. And so if I do an hour—

Mason: 795 steps, actually.

Jess: What's mine?

Mason: 1,500. That's nothing. I mean, Josh, you did 400 the other day. Yeah, so this is 800 out of 10,000.

Tommy: Yeah, this is, this is exactly what I'm, what I'm banking on, just consistency here, guys. 3,633, that's my average. And so like, okay, here you go, on Monday I did a big walk. I did a big walk that took me an hour and I was knackered. How many steps? 8,514. Yeah, so if I have a look here, my activity Oh yeah, I felt my hip flexors for a couple of days. This is the thing, I know what it takes to fucking train, and it— and if you're not doing it consistently or you don't ease into it, you pull out 3 days in like Josh Jansen.

Josh: No, no, so the reason— so the thing is, regardless— no, no, no, no, no.

Mason: I like the idea of running 12K a day. I just— that popped into my head. I could just run 12K a day.

Josh: You could run it. So that— but the thing is, yeah, I know, but I haven't run in ages. Keep in mind that the injury on the last one, which it was an injury, like I was trying to push through and Bree's like, "You're gonna actually hurt yourself," was because I did 3 days of 33,000 steps. So, I had done over 90,000 steps in 3 days. And the thing was I was doing it all before work. I was doing it all before 9:00 AM. So, I'd get up at 5:00 and walk. And I was doing that, like, I wanted to do it every day.

Tommy: What we're outlining is not a, is not an in-work time.

Josh: Well, I think you could do work meetings, you can do calls, you can, you know.

Tommy: True, true. I could probably take my MacBook while editing while walking, just fucking doing a few cuts.

Josh: Yeah, it's a little bit harder, isn't it?

Jess: Yeah, I think we need to start doing walking meetings from here on in.

Josh: Yeah, I think that would be good. So I'm just having a look at the big days that I have had. How do you say—

Jess: did you accept me?

Josh: I have.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, just press awake and then the health and then go.

Mason: If we wanted to— if we want to automatically track our walking into the, the one foot, one foot forward, we need to be using a Fitbit, which is out of the question. And so it leaves Strava.

Tommy: Oh, this is great, Josh. Go to your—

Mason: or you can, or you can log across manually.

Tommy: See your average steps for each year. So what's your 2020 average steps for the year?

Josh: It's very strange.

Jess: Does Strava connect to your health though?

Josh: Only 2,300 for this.

Mason: I think it must, surely.

Josh: But then how do I go back though? Oh, it's not letting me go back.

Tommy: Swipe across. Swipe across.

Josh: That's not right.

Tommy: Unless you've updated your phone.

Josh: No, I think it's, yeah, it doesn't have all the data. That's so annoying. I would have loved that.

Jess: Because Bruno, my daily average for a year is 7142 steps.

Mason: Oh my God, mine's 3234.

Tommy: Yeah, mine was shit-ass steps too. Shit-ass, mate. Anyway, I love this, guys. Let's, uh, take this admin off air. Okay. And, uh, commit to the walking from October 1st.

Josh: Bonus points if you start early, or no?

Mason: Absolutely not, because look, all kilometers—

Josh: well, so we're all just—

Mason: the one will be removed until the event officially begins.

Jess: Get stretching, Josh.

Josh: Yeah, yeah. Where are you gonna get the foam roller?

Tommy: Actually starting there more than that. Actually starting to walk before.

Josh: Why don't we all have a health expert that's, um, uh, like a coach? I'll contact Laura Henshaw. She'll be my— Laura Henshaw will be mine. So Craig Harper's your—

Jess: I'll have Pete.

Mason: Can I have Pete?

Josh: And you can— Pete Shepherd. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a coach. Yeah, Pete's a coach. And he would suggest having a swim. Great. So we have our coaches, Craig Harper for TJ, Laura for me, Jess has Steph, and, uh, Sev's has Pete Shepherd. And so awesome.

Jess: And so how are we going to get them though, that this is the issue?

Tommy: Well, that's your problem.

Mason: Yeah, that's your problem.

Tommy: I've got mine sorted.

Josh: We'll just mess with it. I'll just message Laura. We've got to work out what we need from them. Is it just a pump-up?

Jess: Just motivation, to be honest. Yeah.

Josh: Well, maybe I want to join.

Tommy: I want to see him do it.

Jess: Steph's really fit, so I'm going to put my watch on her wrist.

Mason: I would love a pump-up video from Pete. So, you know, Shia LaBeouf or whatever his name is saying, "Just do it." I want Pete doing that.

Josh: Yeah. By the end, by the end, I'm going to have Bree in the car filming on the side like I'm David Goggins as I'm running along.

Mason: Be hard, stay hard, you know.

Josh: Be hard, stay hard. All right guys, this is fun. I'm fired up. Isn't it funny? I haven't even done the steps, I feel better. I feel fucking light. My back feels well. I don't need to do shit.

Jess: Who needs a magnesium spray?

Josh: Yeah, oh fuck, get on the magnesium. It's gonna be like that, the marathon runner that shits themselves as they're going on the finish line. All right, enjoy your Saturday everyone, and we'll see you tomorrow. And Screenplay Sunday tomorrow as well. Make sure you go and subscribe to that, please.

Tommy: See you then.

Josh: Bye, catch ya.