A Rolling Surprise

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 817.

Tommy: Top of the morning to you. What's happening, guys? What's going on? Happy Monday. Happy Monday, JJ.

Josh: Thank you. I'm feeling very light because I, um, I went through my podcast app and unsubscribed to all of the podcasts that I don't listen to.

Tommy: I mean, give them a shout out, would ya?

Josh: Well, there was over 200 of them, so this is really— so if, if you, uh, the type type of person who, uh, you're looking at your feed, whether it be social media, it's podcasts, it's your YouTube subscriptions, and you're saying, I've got so much fucking junk on these feeds, like, what, what's going on? You probably subscribe to all these things.

Tommy: And so, yeah, as much as I like that you are helping out creators get a few more downloads on their, um, podcast feeds, you don't need it in your life. There's a bunch of, there's a bunch of ones that I I need to. And another little tip is to go through and actually delete a bunch that have been saved onto your device. So you're holding— you could be holding 10 gigs, and also if you want 10 kilogrammes more, but 10 gigs, you know, get rid of it.

Josh: Well, when you delete, when you delete the podcast, it deletes— in Pocket Casts anyway, it will delete the, um, all of the episodes. And so it feels— my phone I'm sure this is psychosomatic, is that what they say? It feels lighter, my phone feels lighter, which I think is impossible.

Tommy: Yeah, well, it's the car just got serviced and feels like a fucking Formula One. I feel you though, you know, mind over matter. It's in your head, but it feels good. There is something, JJ, it's Monday, and it was only last week that I told you that I, um, was working on a project. I'd use the company card to buy a few supplies, and I told you that it would take roughly 2 weeks for me to turn around this project to reveal it on the show. Yep. Uh, I can safely say today is the day that I will be revealing the project I've been working on.

Josh: Do I get to guess?

Tommy: Well, you, you wanted to guess in the moment. I feel like New Year, new JJ. You actually said, yeah, okay, nah, because I said, don't you dare guess right now because I want you to hold off. Today's the day you get to guess.

Josh: This is the reward that I get for being good. I think I'm going to get it in one.

Tommy: You reckon?

Josh: Do you think I will?

Tommy: I don't know, 3 guesses. I mean, you've seen the facts, you know, is that I used $50 at Bunnings. The other little hint I gave you was we're rolling it out pretty soon. And so today's the day that I'll be rolling it out. It out. So, take it away. What's your guess?

Josh: My guess, and if it's not this, I haven't thought about many other guesses.

Tommy: Okay.

Josh: But I believe it could be connected to something that was spoken about previously on the show. Is that correct?

Tommy: I don't know. Okay. I mean, we've spoken about so much shit.

Josh: Okay, actually, I think it mustn't be this then. I think that what you have made Is a billy cart.

Tommy: That's a good guess. That is a great guess. And I'm going to have to go with no on that one.

Josh: Really? Because mate, it's a billy cart.

Tommy: I'm actually pissed that I didn't make a billy cart right now. I wish I made a billy cart.

Josh: Yes. I mean, so, is the idea shitter than a billy cart?

Tommy: Uh, no, no, no, I don't think it's Shit and a Billy Cat. I think, I think, um, a Billy Cat would, would have been easier for me to make.

Josh: Okay, I actually know what it is. I know what it is.

Tommy: Okay, I've got my assistant here, Amy. Okay, um, can you cut to a wide, please? Cut to wide.

Josh: But I don't want it revealed. It's not going to be revealed, is it? Can I say, can I have my other guess?

Tommy: No, no, no.

Josh: Okay, all right, I'm cutting to your wide.

Tommy: Cutting to the wide. Okay, Amy, in 3, 2, 1, roll it out, darling. Welcome back to the Daily Talk Show studio in Abbotsford, guys.

Josh: So Tommy has put together— it was going to be my third guest. My second guest was going to— guess was going to be a wheel. Um, yeah, it looks phenomenal.

Tommy: So, um, over the weekend I, I started constructing a Palette wall. So if you've seen our studio, it's one of the main features that I spearheaded at the start, and I had it in my old studio, and then we built out an extra large one at our new studio, and now I've built one on wheels that I can roll in behind me. The reason being, Josh, you've got a great background with your books. Sev seems to have been able to, you know, pull off a bloody jungle in his room that looks amazing, and mine was pretty average.

Amy: And so—

Josh: Well, I was just saying to you before we went on air, I said, mate, your background's fucked. Can you just fix it up? And you didn't have much time for it.

Tommy: Well, I just ignored, ignored, ignored you. Like, the background's wonky. I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was gonna say, won't be soon. But as you can see, it's completely straight now.

Josh: Yeah. Mate, you've done— You probably need to move your left shoulder a bit back a little, like the, um, yeah, yeah, you push that back, push that side a little bit back so it's— yeah, yeah, there you go. Straight up. Yeah, yeah, I just want to make sure. It's amazing. I'm actually really impressed.

Tommy: Well, I, I started on Saturday and, um, and I cut the wood, I got the framing timber ready, I had a few limited screws and some shitty screw bits, and I absolutely fucked it. And so my next door neighbour is a carpenter, so he's a fully qualified carpenter who has all the tools. And so I got it— I got all the sort of wood prepped, and Liam helped me shoot it in. Like, he had his gun, and so it looks about an hour. The best thing is this can be taken back to the studio. It's about 1800 high, which means you can stand at it and have a photo. So we can have this in the garage. Or anywhere we go. We could do a live broadcast and have you and I sitting in front of this.

Josh: So, did you use wood that we'd already bought? Because we've got some very distinct blue palettes which we used in the studio.

Tommy: Yeah. So, we— so, there was a whole bunch of leftovers from when we built the studio a little over a year ago, and I didn't know what I was going to do with them, but I wanted to have them, and I wanted to have them on standby. And so, now I've found the perfect perfect reason for them, and it's been the pallet wall at home. I'm so pumped. And then I used some wheels from Bunnings, and it's on just sort of like a perfect frame, and so it just wheels in and out.

Josh: How does it feel? How does Amy feel about it being in the house?

Tommy: I mean, you can have a live interview with my spouse if you'd like.

Josh: Oh yeah, get Amy on please.

Tommy: Amy, she's in her dressing gown. She's ready for this.

Josh: She's here for it. Oh, g'day. Hi, Amy, how are you?

Amy: Hello, good, how are you?

Josh: Yeah, good, thank you. Um, congratulations on the new wall. Thank you. How do you feel about, like, from a space perspective, how do you feel about it being in your house?

Amy: Look, I think that I've just conceded that a lot of things are going to happen over this lockdown period. And I just—

Josh: You got a little bit closer to the mic too, babe. Just a little bit closer.

Amy: There we go.

Josh: That's better. There you go. Now you're in focus too. You're going to drink wine at the end of the day, is that what you just said?

Amy: Yeah, just to alleviate any stresses that I may incur throughout the day.

Josh: Was it a stressful wall build? Like, did it go— Were you feeling the stress from TJ or was it a pretty relaxed build?

Amy: No, because Liam next door is a chippy, so he was able to just pow pow pow pow pow.

Josh: Yeah, great. And so to describe it, what, like, is it taking up a lot of your room? Is it like, is it close to hitting the roof? What's the vibe?

Amy: It was close to hitting the doorframe. It's far from the roof, so that's all right. Okay, that's good. It does take up a lot of space, but it's in Tommy's like studio area, so it's Which is also the lounge room.

Tommy: Accurate.

Amy: Accurate. But we've pushed the lounge room out. I also have a giant box that is Bodhi's cubby house in the other corner. So, we're cramped at the moment.

Josh: No, but it's great. It works very well. And I saw TJ sent me a photo of Bodhi in a tent. Did you camp on the weekend as well?

Amy: No, we just— Yeah, last night we had the tent set up and we sat around the fire and Bodie watched TV in the tent.

Josh: That's great.

Amy: And then we all went to bed.

Josh: Oh, that's good. It's camping from home's great.

Amy: It's— it really is.

Josh: Oh, well, congratulations on the new wall. It looks— it looks fantastic. And I'm glad that thanks to, um, some wine, you're feeling fine with it.

Amy: We're all right. Carry on.

Josh: Thanks, Amos. Have a good day.

Amy: Bye. You too.

Tommy: All right, I'm annoyed I didn't wheel out the background. It's only exclusively for for me.

Josh: It looks sick.

Tommy: How good is it?

Josh: It looks very good.

Tommy: It's a mix of a whole bunch of wood, and I've even got— I'm— it's— it's— this is stage 1. I mean, I've got to get to stage 4 to match Stage 4 Lockdown. I'm building some shelves. I'm gonna have a little sign. It's gonna be— it's gonna be so good.

Josh: Yeah, there's something we could do with light. Like, it almost— it gives you more options. It gives you more options in the studio as well, doesn't it?

Tommy: It does, it does. And it's at home. I don't have to go into the studio and hear Mason eating his food.

Josh: It's amazing.

Tommy: Mate, I can build you one. The thing is, we could actually just—

Josh: My apartment is at capacity. I got an exercise bike.

Tommy: Maybe not for your apartment. Maybe if you get a house and then, yeah. How's your weekend? What did you do?

Josh: It was good. Went out for the first time. So, I probably went out, what, maybe 2 and a bit weeks ago. I posted about it on Instagram. Hadn't been out. Since then. And so yesterday Bree said as a treat, would I go, go out with her? And I did. And so yeah, we walked to, um, uh, the museum, near the museum, near, um, like Carlton area, which was nice.

Tommy: Kept your, um, kept it in 5Ks.

Josh: Yep, yeah, kept it in with within 5Ks. A lot of people out, so many, dude. Saturday, into someone It was like one of those things, like, you know, you just bump in and it's like, what do you do?

Tommy: Who was it? And what was it, like a close mate?

Josh: It was our mate Edo. Edo, yeah, yeah. And so having a chat with Edo.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Having a chat with Edo. But anyway, yeah, you bump into people. It happens.

Tommy: Yeah. I mean, and so you could identify them in their mask? Because I'm hoping that sometimes—

Josh: I could, like, I think Bray and I being side by side, You can even— I didn't have my glasses on. I didn't have the Daily Talk Show hoodie. I like, I looked like a sad version of myself, which is, which could be a memoir for everyone at the moment. But, um, yeah, no, but, but we, we recognised each other and, um, he, he had a bottle of wine in his, uh, in his hand. I said, oh, is that drinking it? He wasn't drinking it, but I said, is that your new water bottle? Are you just going for a walk? But it does, funnily, like, you know, you were talking about, you know, you're not drinking now. There has been more drinking going on being in lockdown. Like, I saw a headline about that.

Amy: Really?

Tommy: I mean, it makes sense. Amy's sister got a delivery of probably 11 bottles, maybe. And it was just like a— it's a subscription business where you buy—

Josh: Like a vino mosa. Something else?

Tommy: Well, yeah, I'm not sure how they work, but this one, from just what I heard Amy and Olivia chatting, was it deducts a bunch of cash a week. So, it could be like, you know, small amount, but then it sort of adds it to your tally and then you get sent wine. And so, you could hold it off and you have like a tab that then sort of eats into it. I mean, the thing about that, if it sounds like a good deal, it just means you're going to drink more. Anything around like a discount for lollies, it's like you're still fucking eating lollies. Yeah, yeah, that's the problem. Oh, chocolate's on special? Yeah, you're still the same calories, babe. Oh yeah, still the fucking same calories.

Josh: Yeah, it is annoying. But the, um, yeah, and that's where Uber I guess gets you with the, um, the delivery, you know, free delivery or whatever. The amount of times, you know, I said we do have free delivery, use it or lose it.

Tommy: Just because.

Josh: Yeah, just because. Exactly.

Tommy: Saturday I went for a coffee, um, just to get a takeaway, and it was so busy. It was— there was this, this local area busier than I've ever seen it before. Just cars. I guess everyone is just driving to get a few things, but it was like everyone had decided to, to go yesterday or Sunday.

Josh: Oh, but I think You're mentioning this was on Saturday.

Tommy: I said, yeah, that was Saturday.

Josh: But I was saying to Bree, I was like, Sunday she was going up to the shops like to get some groceries, and she's not working today, she had today off. And I said, choose it like, go on Monday, go to, you know, go tomorrow. This was yesterday because I feel like everyone is— it's almost cyclical, I guess. Same with the Saturday, everyone was going to get on a Saturday, we'll just have a nice cruisy time. What time was it?

Tommy: That was 1:30 PM.

Josh: Sure. So, it's like everyone's probably— What's the storey you've created about what everyone was doing?

Tommy: Oh, I mean, why is it falling on a Saturday, though? I guess people are home.

Josh: So, they're not going out. So, you're not— It's not like a Saturday night. Like I'm finding, I don't know if you're the same, but one treat that Bri and I have is having coffee at like quarter to 3, like just before the cafe closes. It's like a fucking rush, like the junkies are fucking, you know, you're running to get your last coffee.

Tommy: Did it yesterday. It feels so naughty.

Josh: It's naughty, but it's great, isn't it?

Tommy: Get one in.

Josh: Yeah.

Amy: Yeah.

Tommy: Well, I don't think you'd do it if you had like a, if we had a full-on day today.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: If we didn't have to sit in a seat for 8 hours like we do. Yeah, well, you probably wouldn't do it even if you had to commute to a workplace. I'd be like, nah, probably can't have a coffee. Yeah, shit goes out the window. Can I tell you the greatest pivot of our generation? Yeah, that a business has made is, uh, up in Brisbane, uh, Gronkh Shannon Tilney, uh, posted that the carnival, or like a show, some show up in Sydney— sorry, up in Brisbane has, um cancelled, but they've turned it into a drive-through Dagwood dog and strawberry sundae ice cream.

Josh: Oh, that's a good idea.

Tommy: Service. So, you— So, she posted a photo of her in the car. There is heaps and heaps of cars coming through. There was drive-through Showbags.

Josh: And it's great. You're getting everything you want without the rah-rah. I like it.

Tommy: I mean, you don't really need to go on rides. I mean, it's just annoying. At some point. And so walking around in the heat too.

Josh: This is—

Tommy: you get the best of both worlds. Listen to the music you want in the climate you like and eat some, you know, pretty sort of on-the-nose food, but it makes you feel like you're, you know, having the carnival experience. It's pretty amazing.

Josh: On this carnival thing, I mean, we spoke about Showbags previously. I would love showbags.com.au to sponsor us. Just Contra, just send us stuff. I'm going to give you a great read. Right now for showbags.com.au. But I'm—

Tommy: Sponsor us for Fat Fridays. Yeah, yeah.

Josh: But send PO Box 400, Abbotsford, Victoria 3067. Send us some Showbags for this great read. Showbags.com.au. You can get all of the stuff that you would get at the, um, the show now. You don't have to wait for the Melbourne show.

Tommy: Everything you can get Yeah.

Josh: Warheads.

Tommy: Cabri. There's like a sports bag. Kids. Remember how you used to get backpacks in some of them at the Melbourne show?

Josh: They would always smell like plastic, like a real strong plastic. Oh, yeah. There's the AFL and NRL show bags.

Tommy: Yeah. Mate, they got everything and you don't need to leave your house. Yeah.

Josh: So, could you imagine, like, I feel like this could be a great gift for a kid, as in a birthday gift, like they get a show bag, their favourite show bag.

Tommy: That is great. So you can get like, um, there's all different toys. Uh, Lollipops Horror.

Josh: There's like, um, they do a Friends one, like a Friends as in the TV show.

Tommy: Do they? Friends?

Josh: They have everything. Yeah. Anyway, I feel like this could be a good option.

Tommy: Um, yeah, I mean, please send us through and we'll, uh, we'll eat them. Feel like we're kids again.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: That are just biting into, you know, breaking off a fucking tooth. That's what I used to do.

Josh: Amy was saying that she's fine with the wall because she just drinks wine every night. Is the—

Tommy: She has been. It's that 12-pack, that 11 bottles or something.

Josh: 11 bottles. 11's an odd number. Was it 10 and then you got— Get a bonus?

Tommy: Well, I panicked. I didn't want to say a dozen because I don't know if it was.

Josh: So, you landed on 11.

Tommy: Yeah, it's a weird number.

Josh: So with Amy drinking, is it harder for you not to drink, or are you sort of— is it hard not to be evangelical and say all the stuff that you, you know, roll off about why alcohol's—

Tommy: Nah, nah, 2 weeks off the piss, that's where I'm at. For the first week, I was really sniffing her drinks, just sniffing them.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, sure.

Tommy: Just pretending I'm a similaire. Not even tasting it. And, um, and like last night, as soon as we lit the fire, Bodhi and I— as soon as I smell smoky wood, I want a glass of red. Yeah. And you see those triggers, you see those things that just like, if you didn't have something in, in the middle of that urge and where you are, it's like, you know, you'd probably have a drink. And so now I'm fine. I think it was like literally, I'm good now. I'm feeling good. I definitely feel sort of clearer. But no, I haven't been like, that's Amy's choice. But she's usually been doing it late. And so like, I don't see her starting drink. I just see her mid-drink. I'm like, oh well.

Josh: What do you mean? If she goes late, how do you not see the start, but you see the mid?

Tommy: Well, I might wake up. So last night, last night I was putting, last night I'm putting Bodhi to bed. And Amy was downstairs making apple pie, um, apple crumbles with her sister. And then she comes up with some apple crumble for me, and she's halfway through a glass of white wine. And so at that point, I'm like, you're drinking, sweet. But it's— I mean, it's, uh, it's hard enough to manage my own shit, let alone, you know, try—

Josh: That's good.

Tommy: Not trying to manage. But that's like—

Josh: But I think that that's the, um, the development, isn't it? Like, I think that when you can get to a point of doing your own thing, but then also realising that just your thing isn't the thing for everyone else. It's not even ignore the thing and don't butt in. It's like, oh, like that could be working for that person at that time.

Tommy: Yeah, exactly. But I mean, we drank more together if I was drinking. And so, it's— Yeah, it's about your surroundings, too. What's everyone else doing? It actually makes it harder. I don't think it's not, it's not as— some people find it really tough to just say, no, that's it, done. You need some reasoning. But I think my reasoning was pretty strong. That's why I don't think it's like— I think for me to say it's easy is probably off because my reasoning was strong enough, my why internally to stop. And so that's where it was like, and you can't like someone's why they can tell you, but it's a feeling, right? It's like an internal mindset, like, um, sort of you're grappling with that internally. And so it's, uh, yeah, I mean, for you, this is— I think it's similar for you. Your why with why you wanted to get off social media and, and, um, or just pull back slightly, it seems like it's big enough. It seems like it's— you've, you've thought about it enough, or it's got to you enough that you actually make change at that point. What is it different for you in, in this time over like other times where you felt a stronger why?

Josh: Like, I think of that, it's, it's that whole thing of there's like, I was thinking around, um, like failure, right? And so every single time you think about, um, whether it be about food or alcohol or cigarettes or whatever it is for you, you will fail a bunch of times. And I think that potentially when we fail, we think that that is an indicator of future success or future, like, the— or future failure. It's like, it's, it's more likely that you are going to fail based on you failed last time. And so I think that the way that I look at it is, I think I've reframed all of that to, I need to fail a certain amount of times before I succeed with it. And so by continuing to try, I think I catch myself being like, you've done this before, you've said this before. And so for me, it was like removing the element of the big announcement, or I'm fucking the non-social media guy now. And it's just like, oh, it's the fun of deleting. And now I'm getting so pumped about like, um, like last night I went from two, uh 2 iPhone screens to a screen and a half. I'm just like deleting. Yeah, I'm just like, as in how many, how many, um, how many home screens there are. So when you swipe across, I was at 2 and there was a folder involved, and now I'm, I'm at, uh, I'm nearly at a half. I'm at like 3/4, uh, 1 and 3/4.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, that's great. And so where, at what point do you stop? Seems like it's, it's, it's going and going. Where do you want to get it to?

Josh: Um, so I think that where it gets to is, I think that like subscriptions, because subscriptions are free online, Instagram following, it's free to follow people, it's free to do all this sort of stuff, so we just follow and subscribe to everything. And then we look back and it's like, it doesn't stop. It's not like a magazine subscription where you get it for 6 months and then there's this time where you have to resubscribe. And so because we're not resubscribing, and you think about the amount of modes I have where it's like, I'm gonna deep dive into this thing, I'm gonna deep dive into that thing, and I will subscribe to 15 new YouTube channels that are relevant to that thing. And so for me, it's just realising that there needs to be a cleaning up or auditing, um, constantly, where I need to at least— I think like once a week. I think it sounds like a lot, but I think once a week doing the audit of being like, I need to take unsubscribe from a few things here, because I think that a lot of things sort of fit in this sort of Midsection of, yeah, mate, like it's, I might listen to it in the future, but I'm not listening to it. It's like, it can go. It can always come back.

Tommy: Exactly. Yeah. That's the thing about digital detoxes. 'Cause if you're looking at cutting back on what you have in your house, throwing out stuff that might have a sense of value or sense of sentimental value, that's where it's hard. Like the guilt comes in as well. It's like, oh, I can't get rid of that because I got it, you know. And so the digital stuff, you could just wipe your phone and then start again. You don't want to do that, but it'd be like if you lost your phone, lost all your contacts. There's the initial anxiety, but then you, you do build it back up. It's not the end of your fucking world.

Josh: It feels, to be honest, it reminds me— the feeling I have at the moment reminds me of being in Europe. Like 2 months into a 4-month trip. Yeah, and I haven't even fucking left the house. It's great. It's cheaper.

Tommy: God, you've hacked it.

Josh: Yeah, I mean, but I think there is something in that. It's like, um, if you want a holiday, is it that you want a break from all of the noise? Because if that's what it is, I reckon that for, for me anyway, at least 50% of the appeal is getting away. Like, it's not actually where you're going, it's the getting away from where you are. And you can change that just based on— especially if you are spending a bunch of time on your phone. Like, my weekends are going for fucking ever. Like, they're so slow because I have a few books, I have baseball. That's it. That's all I'm fucking doing.

Tommy: And so, what's, what's 3 tips to feel like you're in Europe? When you're in lockdown.

Josh: Yeah, okay, that's good, that's good. This is good. Stay hydrated.

Tommy: Okay, okay.

Josh: It's a weird one, but I think it's important. You always need to be hydrated. It's easy to forget.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Can't count the water you need.

Tommy: The good thing is water's free at home. In Europe, mate, no price.

Josh: Yeah, yeah. And you can also, do you know what?

Tommy: 5 bucks for a bottle.

Josh: Now, if you want to feel like you're on a holiday in Europe, pay a euro every time you take a piss. Just have a little box out the front of the toilet and just put a euro in.

Tommy: Go get some exchange, you know, exchange out.

Amy: Exactly.

Josh: Just have a panic, have a panic where hide 1 euro in a pants pocket and then wait until you're busting to go and have the freak out where you're trying to run around trying to find it. That could be fun. Yeah. No, but I think in all seriousness, the So, two others.

Tommy: Stay hydrated. What are the two others?

Josh: Stay hydrated.

Tommy: Like, to get more time back.

Josh: To get more time, take the— look at your screen time, look at the three top apps that you're using and delete them for a week.

Tommy: Oh, that's bringing on some anxiety for a few people listening, I reckon.

Josh: What, what are the apps for you? If you were to— what are the three top apps? Yeah.

Tommy: Yeah, top ones. Top ones are— my screen time's down at the moment.

Josh: What do you have? Um, uh, it says daily average reset of a new week though, so it's probably—

Tommy: oh yeah, sorry, that's very—

Josh: yeah, yeah, literally.

Tommy: No, my top 3 apps: YouTube, Instagram, camera. So they've got you on a technicality, you can't delete your camera, Josh.

Josh: Sure. How much fucking time are you spending on your camera?

Tommy: Well, I was shooting a whole bunch of stuff for the palette wall, so I've got— I'm going to make a video about it.

Josh: So did you use the EOS R as well?

Tommy: No, no, it's going to get broken out there with fucking Bodhi. There's something about when you have no idea about what you're doing, having an expensive piece of equipment next to you.

Josh: And so what's really funny, the top is YouTube. How long are you spending on YouTube?

Tommy: 1 hour 56 minutes.

Josh: So this is from this week?

Tommy: This week, yeah. So if I swipe back to last week Last week. Oh, yeah. There you go. 10 hours, 23 minutes. I'm deleting it. I'm doing it right now.

Josh: Delete YouTube. And so, the thing is you can access— So, where I went, I messaged Mr97 on Saturday. I said, hey, I'm thinking about getting Reddit on my phone. So, I've had Reddit for a while. And I think I'd already spoken about this, haven't I? Have I spoken about this on the show? Yeah, yeah. And the whole subreddit thing. Um, and, but it's all trash, so I've gotten rid of that. But the good thing is, so I'm giving— where I'm skewing things at the moment is it's— what have you found? What have you discovered?

Tommy: I was just going to say, you— I'm having a panic because I can't find my YouTube on the home screen, 17 screens that I have. I'm just like, where is it? It's in a folder somewhere. And it's very— ah, there we go, there it is. And deleted.

Josh: And so then, um, I just got 10 hours back. Yeah, I know, isn't that crazy to think?

Tommy: I just got 10 hours.

Josh: You literally— but that, no joke, that's what's just happened.

Tommy: Yeah. Um, and then the next one was Instagram, but I feel like I want to keep that.

Josh: Yeah, just do one at a time. The other option is, um Deleting Instagram— hear me out— on your phone and just using it on Chrome, just using it on your computer.

Tommy: But I want to post.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, I get it.

Tommy: And so, okay, no, that's good. I just got 10 hours. Thanks, man.

Josh: Yeah, all good. And so the other thing, I've, um, I've always had a huge resistance to, um, uh, like writing. Like, I love writing, I love this sort of I sort of romanticised the process of writing, just like noise-free, going somewhere, doing it all.

Tommy: Yep.

Josh: And I'd create— I— what I realised is it's a bit of an epiphany. So I'm the guy who— I'm fucking— I turned 30 in just over a month, and September 14th is my birthday. I don't normally actually like talk about my birthday, but I'm turning 30. It's on the 14th.

Tommy: It's a big one.

Josh: It's a big one. Um, but I, uh, so I've always been a procrastinator, resister, and I just like— my approach has been I just slam so much stuff, I just pile so many things on that I'm like, I will move forward because I've just got so much going on. Yeah. And so I've never been able to have a sustained period where I'm writing all of the time. And so going back to that failure stuff, I could say, JJ, you've said 50 times before that you're going to write every day. You haven't done it. But the thing is, what I'm noticing now that I've deleted all of these apps, I actually don't have anything else to do in like a really epic way. And so I realised I had like the, um, YouTube Studio app where you can see like the analytics of YouTube. And I was just going to that like, uh, on Saturday. I was just like spending much like, oh, just when I woke up in the morning, that's what I went to. And so I've deleted that now. And so now I'm at a point where it's like I don't have anything to do and it's fucking awesome. And so Yesterday I wrote for 45 minutes or an hour and I got shit done, and I was like, that fucking feels great, I'm ready to do it today.

Tommy: What did you write about? Not specifically, but just like— I can't actually tell you, 45 minutes of doing—

Josh: uh, so remember I got the, um, Scrivener, the app Scrivener, which was what I was writing my memoir on?

Amy: Yeah, yeah.

Josh: Uh, so Scrivener has a screenplay section to it, and I've been doing the Aaron Sorkin masterclass on screenwriting. And because that's what like previously I like studied, I'm like, I fucking know how to write a script.

Amy: I—

Josh: but I did the course, but I just always did the bare minimum actual writing bit.

Tommy: Yeah, mate, a Cert IV is a Cert IV, you know. I'm a qualified PT, you know what I mean?

Josh: Exactly. You don't have to do much. And so, yeah, so now I'm just leaning into that craft stuff. And so it was just a scene. I just, yeah, thought of a character and built out a scene. I was like really proud. I was like, "Come on, Breeza, have a look. Let's read it out together." And she played a character and I played the character. We read the action. It's fucking great. And there's something like I think there's something embarrassing, or there's a perceived embarrassment around this stuff where it's like, I don't want to do this because I'll, um, uh, like, I'll seem silly, or like, who am I to write about this stuff? Or like, who are you thinking that you're a writer? But it's like, that's literally all you do. Like, having watched the MasterClass and just seeing people have a crack, yeah, the, the difference between screenwriters and and non-screenwriters is screenwriters just write. And so that's what I'm focusing on.

Tommy: Yeah, well, it makes total sense. And so do you think you've removed the thought on the other side of the writing, which is what it will do for me, where I'll get to, will it serve my career, am I going to be fucking a famous writer? All these things that you, you grapple with when you go to uni or you're starting out early days because you're like, you have no idea about what it could do for you. But you have every idea about what you want it to do for you.

Josh: Yeah, well, that's the funny thing. Like I didn't have, there's no master plan on I'm going to write this thing and then I'm gonna go to Comedy Central. I'm gonna go here or there and get it. Like it didn't even cross my mind.

Tommy: You're definitely not going to Comedy Central. They've stopped scripted comedy.

Josh: They're done. Yeah, I mean, it's interesting. What ended up going through my head is I was like writing, I'm like, I actually fucking love the, like, what I'm writing. And I was like, oh, like maybe in a few years time I'm directing just my indie film. Like maybe that, maybe I create, like, it's, I know everything that I need to make a film. And so it's, but then it's what you're talking about, it's being detached of the outcome bit. It's like, oh, but I need to spend a few years just writing. You don't really, you don't write one thing and then that's your thing. The idea is that you like, you're constantly writing. And then if in, if in 10 years' time, if after the Daily Talk Show is finished, if I've then written 15 scripts and then I find something that's got like, it's, yeah, it's, it's super, super beneficial.

Tommy: It's a great approach. Beneficial. I think when you try and—

Josh: beneficial, it is.

Tommy: And when you try to, um, think about it being the thing that's going to make you money to survive, it's like, it's how much does that change everything? So we build a business that could sell something that is very random and make a lot of money, and then you— then it's like Josh Janson, who's written an indie film that means nothing to anybody except him, like that's a huge win for you. You don't need to— it's when you try and put the glitz and glamour around the thing as the only thing. And so you doing an indie film that you want it to be feeling like it's a Hollywood production, it's like, that's when you see rich people who've made money somewhere else but they're doing something they love and everyone's like, look at this loser trying to do this. Like, yeah, they're like just doing this, doing what— that's their expression.

Josh: I mean, so what is it for you? Have you— so I think that the podcast for me, that failure thing has taught me. It's like Josh Speaking, I had a podcast called— that was a podcast I had. I had a podcast called VCE Student. So in the end of 2008, I created a podcast that was, um, by an ex-VCE student for VCE students, and I would— it was all about media and all that sort of shit. Anyway, yeah, my point is I had a heap of things that I did in podcasting that I think if you actually connected the dots, you'd be like, oh, he shouldn't do a podcast because he's fucking tried 4 before and they've gone nowhere. Yeah. And so if I'd gone through with that attitude, I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing now. And so I think that that's like the writing thing is it's like, oh, if these things are in your mind, if you're like constantly like if you're always going back to, yeah, I really want to do this thing, and you, for whatever reason, you, you did half the course or you did the thing, like, that's not the end of it. And so what is it for you? What do you want to—

Tommy: Um, well, I mean, we've got our next, uh, 8 years mapped out, to be honest. But other than that, it's like, I love small— it can be like building, like doing the building stuff, like having a great set of tools to be able to make mistakes and fuck around. Like, I've got every bit of confidence to give it a crack with little knowledge, but that's how I get to the other side, which is like build a whole bunch of shitty frames that end up finding how to do it. And I'm asking questions of the guy yesterday, you know, I'm speaking my dad— like, I love getting, um, active in that way. But then it's also just like, yeah, making stuff. I don't know, I think it's when you try and— for me, the hard bit is when you connect the making stuff to be the career. And so, I mean, that's where I've, I've had, I've had a nice couple of days with Bodhi where I'm out the front. We're just, um, is it— we're forced to connect, as in everyone is forced to sort of step back a little bit from what a normal life has been. And so Yeah, we're at the front playing basketball. I'm towing him around with the hook that I use for the O-Bike fishing. He's— I've got it onto his little car and I'm pulling him along and he's just loving it. Sick. Building fires out the back in the tent. Like, I don't know, I'm just enjoying that stuff more in terms of like, um, it'd be—

Josh: that's it. That's your, that's your version. And I guess the confusing bit is that, that I think people get confused that they, they see the format or they see the, the discipline or they see the thing and then try and connect it too close to the thing, if that makes sense. So it's like, ah, like, oh no, what have I written lately? It's like, it's not about writing, it's not about podcasting. I think what we're talking about here is like internal voice. What do you actually— what's a thing that you've been Like, have you been thinking, man, I'd love to play guitar, and that you, like, you can go and start doing that?

Tommy: Yeah, the, um, I think I'm getting close to the, the exercise stuff. Like, I definitely, you know, I'm the guy that probably trained for fucking 5 years, 4 or 5 days a week, religiously, over a period of time, which created a great habit. And so now I'm like seeing that other side where it's like, I just, I actually enjoy that. I enjoy doing that, but I haven't been fucking doing it enough. And so yeah, I mean, it's all part of it. You stop drinking, frees up space. You literally— it is a version of freeing up space for me, um, like you do with the social media. Um, mine's just not calculated in an app where I can see it before I get rid of it. But I think about the time I would spend drinking, the time I would spend procrastinating based on the drinking, and then, um And then where else can I channel that? How can I feel fresh to do something else? And so it all sort of intertangles and intertwines. And yeah, just got to keep pushing.

Josh: Yeah, it makes sense. Uh, do you have your email up? Can you read the email from Ian? Is that close by to you?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, I'll jump in.

Josh: Yeah, you can send us, you can send us an email, hi@thedailytalkshow.com. If you are finding new things that you're loving to do in this time.

Tommy: And Ian's formatting is great in emails. So, he uses the subjects as the episode that he's referencing. So, Ep 814. Loved Tommy's comment in the ep about sending 3 text messages to someone you love. My dad, who lives in the UK, has had some pretty serious health issues this year. When he first got out of hospital, his rehab consisted of doing nothing, something he is not good at. So feeling pretty useless on the other side of the world, because he's in Melbourne, I decided I would send him 3 random pictures out of my phone every day. I started this maybe 3 months ago and I'm still going. He loves it. Much love. Such a good idea.

Josh: Yeah, I love it. That's a great idea.

Tommy: Great idea.

Josh: And Ian's always great on, on the email. I always appreciate that when, when he writes in, because it's good. Like, it's interesting to see just everyone's take and connecting the dots, and you realise that how many similarities, you know, just even though we could be kilometres away or hundreds of kilometres away or whatever it is, the human experience is something that we all have in common.

Tommy: Oh yeah, 100%.

Josh: Righty.

Tommy: Happy Monday, guys.

Josh: Enjoy the rest of your day. It's the Daily Talk Show. See you tomorrow. Have a good one.