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It's the daily Talk Show Episode 813 what's happening guys what's going on morning? I found my beanie, but lost it. So found it again. Because I was going to where I wanted to wear the other beanie and say, Hey, I found my beer. Yeah, but I couldn't find it in the short time of getting ready for the show. But do you know where it was? Have a guess where the beanie was?

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I reckon real obvious location like on the floor of your bedroom. That

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was it. It's it's an obvious one if you think about it. Yeah, it was wrapped up in my jumper so I'd taken my jumper off and my hoodie had gone into the jumper. But can you see how you can go crazy from that sort of shit? Yeah.

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Oh mate. It's socks. You lose your socks in your in your sheets. When you you're washing them, and then you pull it out. You're like, man, I put more stuff into this. But where is it all gone? I found for a front loader. It's all about that front loader these days. I haven't seen like many top loaders don't really say that pretty effort

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not to have a top loader I reckon.

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Well, I old school, like most of the old school ones, like top loaders. Were the thing back in the day. We had one I don't remember. Like, I always thought that it was more affluent to have a front loader like see Well,

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yeah, I think that but I think what you might be describing use, the front loader feels like something you'd see in the movies or something. Yes, that the the top loader I consider more utilitarian. It's doing so yeah, the bigger thing.

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It sort of feels industrial.

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Exactly. It's closer to Charlie from Willy Wonka's chocolate. Remember what they will see if I can. That's like the ultimate the old school top loader.

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Also We've got a front load. I mean, they're all I was gonna say. There's no difference when it's a dryer. They're all front loaders, aren't they? There's no top load dryers. That's an interesting thing. I don't know why they do that. But we bought a dryer game changer for the winter in Melbourne.

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Sort of slacking

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off. I don't know. I mean, I tell you how much cash it sucked. I thought I was like, Oh, it's 700 bucks. I was like, whatever it's same seems right. And I was like, Oh, that's pretty good for 700 bucks because it has like a LED light in it. It's got all these different sittings. Amy's always like pulling out some tray and emptying emptying moisture. I was like wow, that's fucking good for 700 No, I think it was like 1300 I really

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I thought he was wild. I was gonna say no, the good ones. You don't have to empty the water.

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No, no, she went for hog and got the like a really expensive one. That should last. But this is no i don't buy these things. No, it's very Yeah, it's doing its job. Last My point being is I wouldn't buy like this is why if you put me in charge of it I I wouldn't do I wouldn't buy one I would think seven hundreds too expensive and leave clothes wet and soggy and then just be annoyed my my whole life

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I mean for the future with my purchases, for instance our fridge has the the front bit where you can put water like you can get a glass of water. We've got a fucking rental without plumbing for that.

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You've got a fridge of a family of six. your fridge is twice the size of mine has never felt the occupancy of my fridge. It's literally soda water that you that you because you've got lazy using a SodaStream bought like some backup. So order

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did you say?

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Yeah, the noun phrase I got the meme Franklin's got a great like Lacroix competitor. They're raspberry Yeah, it tastes like Schweppes raspberry. Remember, Schweppes? Is Brie soft drink.

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Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I just took a punt. There was your basic bitch. I know I can, I can get it. I've just had a French press little coffee today. I really, really wanted to go out and buy one that we should probably just be you know, we're in lockdown. Now we should be just trying to do what we can do from home. I yesterday had a thing where I was like, I got so high on coffee, where I'm just like, it'd be like a ready for a fight. Someone is trying to talk me down. I'm having more like, I'm like the drunk guy at the pub. Who wants another beer. He's so pissed, but he just wants another fucking beer. And that was me with coffee. I was like, I'm just launching. I don't like I'm too far gone. I may as well keep drinking and I might, it might go the other way. And so I just went so hard and had so many coffees and and yeah, I mean, this is where I I don't know if it's like I have severe soreness in my jaw muscles. I don't know if it's, you know, connected to the amount of coffee I'm having or I'm just grinding my teeth at night and I'm waking up just like there's differently it's less than the last week I reckon. But I reckon I was more stressed two weeks ago, just not even like you know, when you you need some sort of

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sustaining going on

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stuff going on but then you need some kind of feedback that tells you you stress because sometimes you just in life, and you don't know. And so one of the jaw like me having a sore jaw is like what's going on there. If anyone knows stuff about why it's happening, what you've done to fix it, please email us hi at the daily talk show calm, but it's it seems like a I heard one thing, you know, there's rollers that we got from

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jamming the Jade eggs on a stick that round.

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If I hope it's sort of fun. Can Jake on a stick denim? Just think about that all the same. They're all the same

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time. But I was someone said that you use that to massage. And then but

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yeah, right. Yeah, it was really good. I mean it's it's not helpful me having sort of my beard and Neck Beard and stuff. It's a little bit caught up. But now I'm the same I drank so much coffee yesterday because Bree had two photoshoots, which were like the final shoots that they could do at a tiger, the chocolate company she works at

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before. Yeah,

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because they're, they're staying open because they're doing food and all that sort of thing. So you can go on a tiger's website and buy chocolate and they're still doing deliveries. But they had these two shoot days locked in for a long time. So they were still doing it, but it meant that my coffee run couldn't be done. Yeah, because Brady is the champion who goes get to the coffee each morning and so We

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really thought that you couldn't do it it you you decided I'm not entering into that bullshit. I just yeah,

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it's gone it's too far gone you know i think that i got much too much effort and so I was like I got the moccamaster I'll make I'll make coffee but yeah but I was making a litre I did it last two days and I've just realised

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that every time if even shadowboxing around yeah

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well I just realised I've died hydrated I was and so last last night before brave and got home I filled up my two litre bottle of water and just walked paced around the apartment drinking it all until it's finished. But I just I did have that moment where I like did that and went straight and had a shower.

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But just feel like it's it's something you like, why is it no water. The show was awesome. But it's it's known in my head it's just a dick piecing it all that water.

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Never I just I ended up being like, I got a little bit worried that I was gonna have a fucking heart attack or something because that's sort of drowned myself and then gone to the shower like, I just sort of imagined brave finding me. And I wondered whether they would would if that would ever know like if I was to have died, whether they would have said all like there was a huge amount of water in the piece. Yeah, and

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Olivia's written through on YouTube and said that she holds a lot of tension in her jaw. The massage helps a lot. I definitely found that I tell you where another version of a signal of high stress or lots of thought going on for me is the amount I think about say for instance, at our office, we even close the garage when you leave. But then if you don't close it, we're in trouble like it's Entrance like any house, you leave your fucking garage open, most people can access the house through the garage. I like I reckon it's been the last three months I've started when I do it and I drive off. I freaked thinking I haven't done it. And I think that's quite normal that you like, it's just like, you're in this auto pilot mode where you're doing things that don't require a great deal of brainpower to sort of get through even driving you're like driving you're like, Fuck, I don't remember driving here.

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Well, cuz you know about other things.

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Yeah. And so you're, you're on that sort of auto mode, but um, the wire around it. And so then there's the data on yourself taking that action. Like, it's this weird thing where you're like, Fuck, I don't trust myself at that point. But what I've worked out I think it's a height when I feel stressed. It happens to me more, and then I so what I start doing is taking photos. So just go to these dumb photos of a garage door down. Just like Right. If anything goes bad, I'll just take this jack No, no, no, I closed it. I

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I closed it, man.

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I mean, there's a little bit of like OCD. That's a big thing that people with OCD do.

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Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, for me, it's Yeah, when when else do I do it? It's you. It's, I think just around garage doors for me that I can accidentally tap on my ass. Like if it's in my car, because I've done it before. You know, that's when you it's fun because you do something once in your life. You lose trust in yourself. I'm a lock checker

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like I definitely. And it's like without, without office, there used to be an issue where the door wouldn't always close completely if people walked in. And so I'd be on to like, I would always create a fuss about that, or I would always like listening out for Did I hear the click? Yeah, because and no one ever like, if one assumes that the doors closed. So that's the thing like it's never a Um How do you know i mean when you have you

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know, but have you heard heard but George says he's like my my saying that he started reeling off out ribbit shot because I'm always yelling out rip it shot and I never think about it but like, I mean can you make sure you rip the door when you go at the door to rip the door? Just rip it in I want to hear that. And then the lock. Want to hear that lock.

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So what's happening with Bodie?

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so bad? He's at home. He's first day. First day of No, no, Kindle. No, um, what is it j childcare. So we don't have to pay for it, which is always nice. Can you

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explain the why that is? So I don't understand. So scomo was on the TV yesterday. He's talking about this child care stuff. I don't completely understand. So, if he doesn't go he loses his spot or something. But now they're saying that's not happening but then so are the government then paying a fee to these childcare places?

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I mean, what is it what I will say is that this shit like, where I empathise with the government needing to make changes at very rapid speeds for shit, like with what's going on, is that it's thinking about the complexity we struggled to just fucking work out a few little things. These people are working out shit that's impacting millions of people and so one thing I will say we haven't got any info hardly any info from the daycare because they haven't had the info. And so the when I say info, it's around payment. And so maybe I missed an email but I don't think so. So anyway, what they made about the losing your spot, if you only enrol your child From daycare, it's hard to get them back in all daycares. It's like you need to either be on a waiting list or you find one that sort of got a spot. But it's not as simple as like, I want to take my kid there, and then they will be able to go there. Like for boaties daycare where he's at now. He started on two days a week. It was a try before you buy, they wanted to see what he was like, No, no, no, no, it was a we only have two days available for him to attend, but it will open up so you'll get the other three. So we transitioned him into full time over say a two month period eight weeks

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and at the end of the day, private companies

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This one's a co op. And so it's like so cooperative. Like it's more the bins out co ops Yeah, so they've got like, you can be on a part of it. So there's, I think someone is like a the the CTO or someone helps with like at the building. It someone helps with maintenance. So it's it's interesting the way buddy goes. Yeah, yes, yeah. But uh, yeah, everyone's signed the form saying we don't want to have kids on cameras on a lot of work. No, but where we're buddies daycare is a side note. It's a I think it's an old orphanage in Melbourne so it's like look

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like an orphanage. Oh, it doesn't look like it doesn't when you imagine an orphanage I just imagine like some sort of what would you How would you describe it? My Nana grew up in an orphanage so I just imagine like Yeah, wow, so I imagine like

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old school like yeah

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real old school. You know?

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I could shoot

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I think it's like if along Yeah, that's what I think church I think that sort of like, but maybe years ago when it when it was happening, but it's still the same building, which is kind of cool. And so now it's just like, it is It's very bowties decades very old school like the one I went to that feels like, you know, no, no frills. It's just like, right outdoor area will daycares not daycares, just,

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by the way? I've been there a couple of times. It's like there's It feels like there's spots to put bags or some shit.

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They do. It's like clearing the mouse though. It's not a house. No, but it's it's a daycare centre. There's all different. Did you

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ever like is daycare centre? Is that a new thing? Like when I was a kid, like mom was at home or whatever? Yeah. And then when we got out like, once we move to higher school, then she went like she was dental nursing before she had kids and then after she, she got back into this. There was craciun kindergarten, which is for a certain age, like mum hadn't met mum looked after all US, boys, three of us.

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for quite a while, like she was, you know, had a side business of yoga but also looking after the kids. And so yeah, I think, I mean, we sent both of the childcare at like, so young remember, he was like, so young was crawling at that point

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to say, will he do mini movers? What's that? Mini movers? That's like where you learn to tumble and shit?

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Oh yeah, they all do a heap of that shit. Like

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What Did I just the childcare become like they do all of the activities and shit.

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Yeah, yes. It's all dialled in. They're doing awesome shit. Yeah, they will they have this one that he's out. They do. He has. I don't think they walk around. They all get in high vis vests and they have to go in a line and hold hands. It's so cute. And I think they go around just the local area off to do stuff. But anyway, so the childcare stuff you for The decision I've made which we were like, are we gonna have to pay because if your kids sick, so if he just has a cold normally say a year ago, if he just had a cold, he could stay home, but you still have to pay your day fee based on your spot. It's just your spot. This is just how it rolls. It's crazy how expensive it is, you know

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why kids end up getting sick and then giving it to their parents? Because they're like, I'm gonna fucking send him anyway because we're fucking paying my thing.

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I mean, this is the rat race require you know, everyone's trying to keep up it's like that's why you go to work because you don't want to get you you don't want to not get paid and and then you send your kid to work school sick because you're like, I can't stay home because I can't do my work at height. Like it's a whole conundrum there. But what what they what they set in place was like a, an amount of days per year, that would be covered by the government. So there's like a hammock over the season. Well, from what I know, it is You what they've done in this new lockdown is extend the amount of days out to about 4343 days covered by the government, which means that it will cover the whole entire state for lockdown six weeks, which means that parents aren't out of pocket and the gap is being covered by the government. So the childcare centres get paid. And so and so the childcare centres are getting paid, the parents are getting their money, not having to part with money. So I didn't do any wins. No, no, no. No. So the what so they have Yeah, so we don't have to pay. I this is Amy's first day working from home and bodies first day at home, and he's loving it. So what is he woke up? He woke up fired up wanted me to read him a book. He came in and got into bed. He buys with us in just get

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it now. Does he know what's what does he thinks happen?

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No, oh, I say to him you know, when you're on holidays you're not going to daycare anymore. You know why? I said are Coronavirus nice? Ah, okay.

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His holidays the wrong being should it be just like you're working from home now? He said that so he thinks that he can just check in screen time and he's not doing what he normally but think about you what we normally do is doing work.

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I gave zero shits about what was going on in the world as a kid. Like that's I think that's the privilege of a child. Yeah, you don't like the stresses? a three year old feeling the stresses of the world. So what is he he might he might imagine Bodie spinning this shit. I made my jaw last night I'm stressed. I'm trying to lock the garage door and I'm packing can't remember. Do you

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think the kids would have stressed based on just like, I don't get it. Like it like from a consistency perspective. Like Yeah, like I wonder so for him does he just think it's the weekend.

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I think he At a sweet age where he's still very ignorant like doesn't you know it doesn't doesn't need to. He knows he says Coronavirus parks are closed Coronavirus this and that, but he doesn't. I've heard that there's younger children who are experiencing some anxiety because they think about it you just go into school. And it's a big enough thing to be at school for the first time as a five year old four year old and you're and you're working out who your friends are and where you fit into the whole thing and why am I attracted to little Benny over there? You know, like, it's all that stuff and then he like, sent home he like, you know, guy in school and you can't really understand it. Like you think about when you don't understand something how uncomfortable it feels like when you really would bathe in it any lie.

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So what happens then I'm out of my depth with it from screen like from a scoring perspective. screens are very important in 2018 22 like you know speak to grandma speak to all that like to speak to everyone right like to be connected with family with friends, but it's also the same device where it's like a little bit destructive.

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Yeah, yeah. So don't like arrange help people survive but also helps people take care of it. It's a good side device, the the daycare or doing YouTube videos, where they're gonna have the teachers reading some books, really. And so he sent me like, I think it's about Yeah, I'll send you a link. We'll put it in the in the discord to say you say how could we try and get one

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of them to go by? Pretty funny. Man, I guess we need to have gone viral to help them.

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Yeah, True. True. And so I think it's about how what what he's consuming and then the habit he because he came in this morning, wanting a book Which I was impressed by because we read the book last night and obviously loved the book. And so you don't want these operate normal operating system to become walks in gets movie. Yeah, exactly stays in bed gets fed, you know it gets gets easier borates I mean this is your lifestyle at that point

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needs to work for. So what's the deal as parents? What are the conversations you and Amy are having around how you structure your day how you make sure that you're not blowing up at each other.

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So Amy is working from home today tomorrow and then her company is stood down everybody from Monday onwards. So he doesn't have a job from Monday onwards for the duration of the walk down. So it's like so standing down because the industry is completely closing for the six weeks and so

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is it the board is every is to know like you're all around. It's pretty wonderful to do. The same thing like a construction. So would it be considered construction? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I

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think there's I'm speaking to our next door neighbour and they're a smaller business that just have small amounts of people inside the times that they're just staying open. But not it's, I think it's, it's unique across the board when everyone's Yeah,

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sounds like, a lot harder compared to I mean, what are your words like?

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No, yeah, the consistent thing is that there's how many people are gonna get lose a job? Maybe million? 200. Yeah, quarter 250,000 people are going to lose their job in the next six weeks. I mean, the next week,

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yeah. And not only all these things like

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let go stood down for a load like ACU some of them interchangeably, right. Like I stood down versus let go, but it's like, okay, no difference. So stood down, especially within the context of this stuff. Amy is on job caper. Then. Is that how it works?

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Well, that's the plan. Mm hmm. What is the standard? The standard is when an employee can't do useful work because of Equipment Breakdown. If the employee isn't responsible for it industrial action? Yes, I've like a he worked in a factory in old equipment shaft itself. They have to stand people down based on something that isn't necessarily been in their control. And so this is a perfect example of needing to stand people down. What's the other one furloughed? furloughed? It's furloughed? So? Firstly, furlough for low.

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Yes. So Leanne Glen from Florida had mentioned hate when he works instead of the sports stats, industry. So when all the sports all the events were getting cancelled there to fill out a bunch of people and so what is furlough?

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So I just feel low versus laid off a furlough. If you are LRU gh reduces hours, days or more. Weeks employees my work and usually has a finite length. In general, furloughed staffers are still technically employees. they retire, they retain their employment rights and generally and general benefits laid off workers are no longer employees and lose their benefits and protections. So, so I think furlough is the similar same just stand down. So you aren't. I mean, actually a fellow seems like you still are doing some stuff. Yeah, like, but drastically less stand down is we're not we don't you can't work in the factory because it's broken. But you're still employed until it until we get it back up and running. It's Yeah, I mean, fuck man. This is the stresses for people at the moment even needing to work this out. It's not ideal. I'm sure the company didn't want to do this at all.

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Another thing is like it tantum I think that it's hard making decisions at the moment because it's You're on a certain path and you make promises and you say, we're going to do this, we're going to do that. And then we have you control things happen. It's like, Okay, well, I think at some point like maybe we've even been immune. I think that you and I have been somewhat immune to the announcements in some regards, because we've done such a good job of like, keeping the daily talk show going and doing stuff and progressing. There's never been, it's not like a factory or something where it's like, are the factories burnt down? So you kind of come in? It's like, yeah, there's always progress that can be made. But I think that within that ambiguity, it becomes potentially even less clear, or we give ourselves less opportunity to be clear on what's happening.

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Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's so bizarre. Just, if you thought before that you could say before the luxury or the thinking could be weirdest. Adding on new direction, let's lock that in and go for gold. And we've entered at the start of the year we actually did that like this is wearing control where we've been the ones that haven't set us on the right direction. So we're going to cement a direction and get started. And we did that for our business and then that COVID hit, and you just saw the destruction it had and the upward trajectory we were on that just was, you know, cut at the knees. And so at that point, I mean, we've set out probably three or four directions this year, and then had things outside of our control. Cut them down.

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So well that point ownership what is personal, like ownership come into these types of things?

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Well, I think what you've said there is for us, so ownership relating to

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So anyway, we're off to Extreme Ownership in regards to like personally like so. For us, I think that we own our decisions because we're building something that's a hybrid model. There's the original content like you're listening to or watching now. And then there's the client stuff and those conversations, then there's the middle ground where it's like we get paid to do things within this show. And so we have always taken a, an Extreme Ownership approach where it's like, there's no system, there's no pathway. We're building this from scratch. And so what, what I'm finding interesting is, I think that I'm trying to take a little bit less ownership around like, and maybe that's another framing of it is just a level of detachment where it's like, it's all like it's all going to be fine. You don't have to worry about the next six weeks. survive. Dan Andrews started using the phrase or the term pilot life, which you fucking love now Yeah,

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nevermind. It's great. I mean, there's nothing

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I can understand it. What have you. Okay, but

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there you go. There you go to be honest on and it's our pilot like the hot

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water thing. Yeah, it's the pilot pilot don't have hot water is that hell? Yes.

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Our pilot light went out of this house I had to get my next door neighbour sorted out. Well, I mean, it's sometimes it's a bit annoying, like, I don't know. So this is what you don't want. This is what you don't want. You don't want your pilot like going out. And Daniel Andrews has said businesses which before was hibernation. That was the term now it's we're putting the economy on autopilot light mode, meaning it's just it's burning. It's still there. It's still live. There's gas going into it but you ain't getting that flame yet. And so when you think you can get flame you pilot light mode, but you're just restricted because you're still in the pilot light setting. You'll feel out of control when you try and just back in lighter light a big fire just trying to get

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like the Olympic torch.

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Yeah, I don't know about that. I don't know. I mean still got farther. I think the pilot light is which describes more of the soft element

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to sometimes look pilot mode, which I pilots are different because pilots unless you're an auto pilot, I think that what you're getting confused with is auto pilot. Pilot lights pilot mode. Good time. Well, I think that pilot mode, pilot mode I feel that where we're facking Our hands are on the what is it called the yoke.

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Tonight What's that?

30:55
stuck in the thing that they used to fly the plane? Is it I'm not a Navy. getline is it You mean the steering wheel looking thing? Like the thing you pulled back to me Actually, I could get a fucking honey time Alpha Flight Control for 415 bucks. That'd be fun. I could I could bring up the a three eight. Maybe

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they've gone. I think the control what's the what's the learning, the learning could be the control we once had is no longer the control we have now. So it's a shift in what it what we are able to control. So it could be a false sense that we had control of that or it was a true sense that we had control of our trajectory based on no movement, no issues within the economy or within you know, no rules like we have now stage four and so they are gone. So it wasn't what what are you in control of then you're in control of what we can do. In the new in the new confines of stage four, and the economy. And so that's where it's shifting. So there's a grasping and grappling with the new version of the landscape, that then we have to work out. What are what can we control? And so then it's all it all comes back to us, right? I think you're doing a fucking great job of working out what you can control for yourself, that will make you be able to get through this time.

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And so it's like, I think it's just like, yeah, it's for me. It comes out for different people. But yeah, for me, it's that like, connectedness or whatever, or it's like the like already my phone times down 40% from last week, really, that's like an improvement but still got 40% means slammed at six hours a day. Not. So it still has a way to go. But yeah, it's interesting. It's also interesting as you there's a great book called essentialism, which is Which I love and it talks a lot about. It's it's sort of like minimalism with a slightly different skew. I really like it. But um, yeah, I think that for me, I'm trying to work out what's essential, but also what are the things such as batching all of these things together, so I was doing seven different things. So I think that where Instagram or where or social media in general trips people up is it's a communication it's it's so much so it's, it does everything. So it's like a, it's like having a gym at a McDonald's. Like so you think like, I'm fucking going to the gym? Yeah, but you're also going to McDonald's. And so like this is the this is the playground conundrum Mac is. It's like, Instagram has built a fucking playground at McDonald's. And you're going there every single day because that's where you try to get active, you know, activity and see your friends and all that sort of stuff. And so For me, it's working out I can actually use I'm using iMessage. Way more, I'm just using like text message. That's way more fun, fucking off all the apps and stuff off your phone. And it feels like during this time when everything is so out of control. That seems like an easy one to do, like, I'm sure there'd be fucking heaps of eating disorders and shit to come out of this because it's like, a lot of these things come from. I'm out of control, I need to be able to control something. So I'm not going to fucking eat or I'm not going to do this. So for me, it's thinking about those things and maybe actually getting through wouldn't be great if I got through some of my books.

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Yeah, definitely. And so then, do you think it's beneficial to the other stuff you're reaching for in life? Yeah, what do you mean? So that like that shift in just what you said there? How does that directly impact benefit the other shit you are wanting to do in life?

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Oh, yeah, I think it does. Because for me, I think about all of the things that I've been doing. And then I say, other things I'm doing is that actually contributing to the the good bits of life? So is it like, is it giving me all of like the great bits and doesn't like I'm very lucky I have, I have a great life, I get to do a lot of great things, and I love what I do. But a lot of these things aren't actually adding to that. And so I think it's just drawing a bit of a line, reducing essentialism. It's like doing the show, doing the like for me. I got up early and worked really hard in the morning because I'm like, actually, you know what I want to middle of the day, chill out. In fact, I'm watch some baseball, and I got all my work done. It's like I can fucking do that. And so I think there is a bit of that where it's like Previously, there's a sense that you've always got to be on and grinding and doing all of that sort of stuff. And then you set that expectation for everyone else and everyone else is stressed. It's like, Okay, well, what about if we give everyone the same autonomy? It's all about what you're delivering what you're focusing on. not creating heaps of distractions, focusing on mental health. Like that's a win over the hyper stressed version. Does that make sense? Yeah, watching baseball 1150.

36:34
Now that's fun. I thought, shoot in the morning. fillies like this. So if you so these times that are stressful for people

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I

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go to could be, get real, not stressed, but get really sort of active and busy with trying to scramble to make it work. But I don't Yeah, I don't know how you Pack full or beneficial long term, because it might just cater to the feeling at the moment, which is you're out of control and you're trying to just fat and grab it anything. And so the word or externally stuff's out of control. And so then you're, you're playing that game of internal control environment. What are you grabbing at you? It's been nothing's making sense. And so what you're saying is the inwards control versus trying to control the shit that isn't able to do so.

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Well, I'm sure like a psychologist would be able to elaborate on this stuff. But if you look at so all of the hoarding that's been happening or that, you know, collecting have way more things that you need, like I think that that that mentality is a psychological reaction to the unknown until it's like okay, I need to be prepared and so about Not going to have abundance. So I'm going to try and create abundance by fucking ordering 50 water bottles as if our fucking taps are going to start working and I'm going to have like, you know, iPhone charges like batteries. So if the power goes out, I'll still have that. I have my beans, I'll have all my canned food. And I think for me, that was like the third the first wave. So, March for me, there was a little bit of that where it's like, I have no idea what, like, what goes when this stuff happens. What's like, what is the reality of that? And so you, you think you're being proactive and you go and you get all of that sort of stuff. And then we've had those experiences and now for me, I feel like I'm going the opposite route in the whole scheme of things, which is like oh, what can I get rid of actually don't need much like, if you sort of removed like, I don't need that much to survive. I don't need like if I've been Got a need even fuckin electricity for the most for the most part if the power went out for a few days, it's like it's actually not the end I haven't left the fucking house for many days. I've got books, we've got fucking maybe we need some candles, some candles,

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made some candles. I am I had an idea that I wanted to do I realised that it was hard for maybe had a child in the house a weekend, the challenges you know how to use power for 2448 hours. I love it. And so you have to use candlelight. I don't know what you're what you're eating, but it's not anything from the fridge because you can't open the fridge because that's using power out there. And so it is a challenge. You can't use the computer, can't use your phone. You can't use any of that stuff. You got to disconnect completely. No power nothing has ever that means you can't even have hot water because Is this some kind of power connected to that? I think, is it. Eric in the hot water machines plugged in to make hot water machine? Because it could be an electric hot water system rather than the way that ours is an old fucking shitty gas thing that has a pilot light. But would you be up for a jerk?

40:20
Yeah, definitely. Yeah.

40:22
I mean, it'd be a bit of me. I mean, across the gronk squad, we all do it. And we have to. So we'd pre recorded the show, so we don't have to think about tech stuff. But then we do a weekend where we're not you're not allowed to touch. Any power, no PowerPoint, not nothing. Nothing. Yeah, I do like that idea. Just a bit of a challenge throughout the day, because I thought this could be some stuff to do little think about the challenges or the things we can do based on the time. I've got a project. I'm working on a bit of a building project that I'm going to sort of release within the lockdown. I can't tell you much. But oh, I will tell you No, not a bay half clubs. Not at all. All I will say is, I'll be looking pretty good.

41:09
Phil I'm gonna say

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something building something.

41:11
Yeah, I'm gonna be looking pretty good.

41:14
Astronauts. So now holding something that makes you look good. Yep. As in you like on your purse.

41:22
I won't tell you more just Yeah, yeah, I'm a person. Just I'd be looking good. That's all I say. I'll be looking good.

41:29
Doing some sort of crafternoon hat thing at making.

41:34
Yeah, that'd be fun. All right.

41:36
Yeah, I may have 50 bucks at Bunnings I may have spent 50 shillings to get this happening on the

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company tab on the company.

41:44
But I think it's gonna be an asset to the business. No, no, no, it's gonna be an asset. It's such a low level purchase. I cannot tell you if it was 1000 I'd have to tell

41:52
you, Casey in 50 bucks YouTube chat says Tommy so it's like camping at home talking about the the challenge. He

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kind of kind of I mean, I could just crack out the tent for at the back. Yeah. But yeah.

42:09
All right. Well, hope everyone's doing well. Especially in Victoria Day one. Yeah, nothing's changed for me.

42:17
I mean, just it feels quiet outside like I can't hear.

42:21
I'm excited for that. Absolutely. I'm going to go look, look at the moons being crazy, hasn't it?

42:25
Ah, dude, full moon. Huge. I've messaged you twice this week saying saying the moon seen the moon. It was like it was like perch when we drive into the city. It's perched above the buildings just like being in orange and just, it looks so nice.

42:46
Yesterday I spoke about a documentary on Transcendental Meditation about the whole the whole organisation. I watched the doctor last night. If you have amazon prime, you can watch it in Australia. It's cold. David wants to fly. And it's a German filmmaker who follows around David Lynch, who's a well known sort of advocate and supporter of tm. It's interesting, I think that what I took away from it is TM, the meditation stuff is really beneficial. And it is like it does help heaps. Yeah, unfortunately, all of these other things have been bolted on. Which like what's with growers? Fucking their followers can wait, why can't like what's the what's the deal?

43:40
Sam Harris in these app talks about gurus

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Hmm, a bunch.

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And so I mean, this is the thing it's just think about. Its ego at that point like if you were manipulating people and and benefiting from from individuals doing I think you say like there has to be He goes very smart and either they convince these people that are in a quasi enlightened to start acting this way it's it's, it's phenomenal. It's not all people. I mean, this is the problems like not all priests paedophiles. Not all gurus are sex pests. But there is a lot of gurus that have become expensive and the thing is I've recently become the head of both

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the formula or the sort of over like the exaggerated energy that goes around these people puts them into put like it like rock stars.

44:38
Yeah, God. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, exactly.

44:43
That's amazing. I don't know if I could I don't know if I have any me to be like to have a guru like I like the idea of the meditation stuff, but I just like he you know that everyone's shits

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off a bit. So what is it so just Quickly.

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The label of Guru is one, I don't know who's given it to them. But then so what is the term mean? Like it's probably a guru remaining. Like, it's always the word from a Hindu spiritual teacher. So that's what it is a Hindu spiritual teacher. So guru in the Western world has become that, you know, the old man, it's like, as a god, it's like, exactly. And so this is where, where your where it's being used is usually, like, you know, calling Sam Harris and guru. I don't think it fits. But he's my spiritual teacher. He's a visit

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just being a meditation teacher. I mean, you sent me a bit which talks about sort of the the aesthetic of being enlightened or whatever and so it's like you're gonna grow your hair a certain way you're gonna be dress, you know, dress a certain way. Your spiritual materialism. Yeah. And so is it just the reason why you're not Not resonating with Sam Harris's. He's your guru is because he looks like he could be an accountant.

46:06
No, but what i'm saying i think is the guru term. What it actually means is a Hindu spiritual teacher. Sam isn't a Hindu, and but he's a he's somewhat of a spiritual teacher. And so usually the people that are gurus, people from India, and so, ROM das ROM das, ROM das had gurus, he was a very, very prolific meditation teacher who passed away a couple of years ago. He he was the closest thing I think, to what could be a guru of from the Western world, but he never thought of himself as a guru. He had his guru. And so who was in who was a Hindu spiritual teacher, which is

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that said Is what the essence of Mahara? She or whatever Mahara Maharaja, yeah, yeah. Mahesh Yogi, he's like, he's an Indian girl. Like, that's all. Like the it has all the signs of what you're describing is a legit guru, or like what the more sort of original wording describes but it still seems pretty toxic. Like, you watch a

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show. My mom has a guru. My mom has a Guru paramahansa Yogananda who was unbelievable. He came from, I think, India to California to Hollywood. I mean, this was 90 years ago. And he brought the teachings over there and so there is a power that he was one. It was people into him though. Like there was all those things, but I don't Don't think he, he doesn't have a bad rap, like

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some of these other thing is that it's not necessarily about a bad rap. I guess part of it is, I just wonder, with a guru, there's a level of individualism within a guru, which is like there's this single, like, if you zoom out, and individual isn't their ideas or they're not like and so their ideas can be transformative, they can be, they can be doing amazing things for the world. But I feel like potentially by putting a name and a face and, and and all of that to it, then that's where it sort of gets muddied. Can you not have all of this stuff without the prophets or the the the individual people? Christian health equal fellow people?

48:56
Yeah, yeah. And so that who's that guy that was on Your boys podcast Kevin roses podcast Lockman, or something he he was saying that there's a version of practice meditation that requires a guide. But then there's also the doesn't it require it can require you to listen to a few sort of, you know, it's gonna say types but no one fucking listen to the tags anymore a few guided meditations on YouTube or podcast or whatever it be, or it can just require you to take the thought and place the attention to your breath, or, you know, one of these areas that allows you to create some, you know, concentration that gives you a benefit of that, but there is a version that requires a teacher and so people like she's the Roma Honza Yogananda, who, who would be seen as a guru is also teaching like these people have written books that help guide you on your journey. And so

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I'm not about love information though. Like Yeah, but they But what else have we got? But wouldn't? Well, but I think that and I don't know enough about this stuff, but I'm just going based on what I'm sort of thinking and feeling. And the feeling is, if this is all a great, it's like the TM stuff, right? If it's a great idea, if it's transformative has can bring world peace and all this other stuff. Why? Why have a company? Why? Why turn it into this? Yeah, you know, cash generator.

50:32
Yeah. And that's where it's like that's could be the warning signs. Or when someone is trying to make a shitload of coin out of it. I mean, there's but there's a bunch of people so then you can't just do everything. For nothing in life. So Sam Harris, the amount of people is impacted through his app that costs $140 a year. He also gives it away for free if you can't afford it. No questions. I think it's

50:59
amazing. So that was it. It was different, though. Right? I think that the the difference that I'm I'm trying to reconcile is it's like why do you need to? Why do you need to have the individual at the centre? Is it it is it always seems convenient that Yeah, like they've got they've come across based on like generationally your through your pass down or whatever it is, they have received this great information. And the bit that I feel is the bit that I'm not sure on. is there's all this truth around, okay, psychologically or like from an impact personally, it has a huge impact on people. Do we need to connect that bit with the story of them being able to levitate or like fucking fly or? Yeah, so they've taken one good thing, they've taken something that's really great and beneficial. And so it's like, you could be an ad But then also piled it on with all these other things which then caused

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what is that that's, that's ego at that point, just overriding and creating these, this version in someone's mind to go down this dark path. Rory is written through in YouTube referring to ROM das and he said that ROM das said a teacher shows you the way but a guru is the way AJ, when you look at someone in pure bliss, and all of a sudden, you get a feeling for something that can't be taught. And so if you start reading judge, I think you're on a good path you should start looking like ROM das, listening to him talk about his guru, and just and the effects of these people that are pure bliss. It's

52:49
so what I call my mom. Yeah, so yeah, we should definitely get on to chat.

52:55
because it reminds me a little bit of some writing it Don't unlike what a muse is, and like it creative Muse and a muse is something that, like so creatively, we don't. We don't have the creativity inside us. A Muse comes in and visits, we have a flow state, or we write out all of this sort of stuff, and then it leaves us. And so the great thing about a muse or that experience is, it's not attached to ego or the individual. It's something that comes and you're, you're open to it. So there is a piece of work that you're doing where it's like open to it, but at the end of the day, you're not in control of it. I feel like from a guru perspective, maybe this is similar to the perspective of God. So guru and God like safe I was to use them interchangeably because I think there's some similarities. God I don't think as this individual, like, I'm not a religious guy, but I don't I wouldn't even say God as this individual thing, like, you know, the guy with a beard or whatever, I say it as a feeling a thing that can't necessarily be quantified. And the reason and that's why it's like if we were able to create a picture of God or, you know, if we were to describe and say, a guru is this and pointing to a person or whatever it feels like that is our ego trying to describe or project what that is, and it makes it feel clear. It's like, Oh, that's a representation, but I feel like there is something you know, I don't think gurus or gods, I think, if anything like what Rory spoke about, ROM das is that it could be they tapped into something. And it could be God. It could be the tower. into that higher power, but they're definitely not God. Those gurus aren't saying they got the gurus or

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higher power. So it's like, that exact thing of the gateway to that belief. And so in bits, so they're not thinking about anything go wrong Gods need to change no but that

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but I What I'm saying is it's at its essence, my this is my personal experience or my personal thought is that it's, it's not a it's not a flesh and bones thing. It's something that's bigger than that and so they represent a state. And so for me, if we say that this person is like someone who was born on this earth and all this, I think giving them the elevated state of they are a guru. I've found it for me. It feels like there's a level of comparison is not the right word. But it's like looking to other humans or other people as a way of trying to understand your own spiritual journey, versus looking at the quote, like seeing the qualities, so not necessarily seeing the qualities from that individual, but being like, okay, these are the virtues or the qualities that I think having a state of calm or enlightenment or whatever you want to call it. Like, it doesn't need to be attached to someone. And I feel like Yeah,

56:34
but then where do you I mean, we're the people that you need teachers you need guides in life so that someone else can have

56:43
so that we can have teachers without turning them into rock stars. And so if you look, of course,

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no, but this is where it's I don't think there's any any thought that there hasn't been gurus, they'll people that use the term for themselves.

56:59
So rechromed Using example or using this example with tm

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I think what you should do is look is look to and and hear people talking about the ones that are positive you watched a bunch of doctors that are near referencing the hue the highly undoing the ones that a guru the I'm talking about the biggest things that like the from a Western culture perspective like the dude there is so many I don't think they are like I think they have trust me like there are so many more out there that a huge and have huge followings that are this and so

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why not? So the pushback the pushback on it?

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Or the the thought the thought around No, no, no, the gurus have something like you need to listen to them or how would you describe your feeling or your The protective nature of talking about gurus all you need to know more.

58:05
Yeah, I just okay. I haven't. There is something when I listened to Ram Dass that I feel connected to him. And I don't know him, I'm listening to his voice. I'm so highly engaged, and the words he's using and what he's saying feels so aligned with what I think. But I can't explain it. I couldn't articulate it the way he does. I'm, he's tapping into something and he doesn't even. He's not calling himself the guru or he talks about his experience with his guru. That is the experience of bliss, pure love, like all these things that he's just, he's just talking to his relationship with him and the teachings he got from him. Not even at a verbal level, at a connectedness like this. The heart level. And so I think if you were to just listen to this stuff, listen to it and just go down that path a bit. So that's what I understand. And

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that's what I do like a fucking like I, I've got a bunch of these audiobooks, I listen to Dalai Lama talking about all this stuff like that. I've got no issue with the message. I have no like the messages and the all the things you're describing, like this spot on. And it's amazing. The question is, these are ideas that are the universal or it's things that we can take on, without if you take away the name from or the, the, the person or the personality, the individual, the human behind the words.

59:53
I just want to get to that's where these people have got to. I think what you're talking about is People that are looking to gurus, they're not there yet. They haven't worked that out. I don't so

1:00:05
that probably guessed about is the is many things ethical, sceptical of Guru ism or whatever it's called. And but being very interested in the spiritual experience, working on meditation, mindfulness, all of that sort of thing on the guru been, I feel like when I mentioned, I'm not sure on this guru thing, it's like, now you need to do more work in understanding what they actually are. And part of Yeah, I think is that you can't you can't just say what High Priests or any what, like, you can't say, everyone in this area, you know, he's, he's problematic or whatever. But I think I think that there is something problematic about having individuals That you're like human beings, people who were born and the fact that like they're you know, have you want to describe it them being the spiritual liaison or a representation of where you want to go versus the Ynet. So there's a difference I guess between what I'm maybe it's a language and a word thing. Teacher versus guru teacher, I think is amazing a teacher is has things that they've learned that they can pass on and you can you should listen like this isn't me saying you have all the answers. Don't listen to people. It's like, listen to people listen to what they have to say. But at the end of the day, they're a human being who's having a crack and we can listen to them but the guru bit the bit around We can see it become becoming problematic or it being a centrepiece of someone's spirituality. I don't know.

1:02:09
No, I agree with you. I agree with you on all of that, but not all gurus, spiritual, Hindu, Hindu spiritual teachers, the version of what you're saying.

1:02:17
And so but what I'm saying is that yeah, that's the part the part of what I'm saying is it's not the the guru bit, taking some being sex pests or all that sort of thing out of the equation. I think that the, the idea of having a single person that is, from a hierarchical point of view is spiritually above you or or something, I think is the problem and it

1:02:47
is so paramahansa Yogananda, my mom's guru, died at 100 dc or whatever it was a very long time ago. He's teachings he's Principles and Practice. And he's, he's experience on Earth are still impacting people today. And so it was, like some guys, he's not benefiting as an individual in this Earth right now based on him creating, you know, attention to himself. And so when you look at people like that, it's like, how does that see it within know, that that sort of don't put someone at the centre pace. It's like, they're still helping assist people on a journey on Earth at this point. And so then I get it like, made Oh would be if anyone outwardly said they're a guru, I'd be thinking, I'd be like, Ah, okay, it's probably not a guru.

1:03:45
So because he seemed a bit so I think that what's potentially getting missed, or the bit that I'm thinking about is like, I don't think the them saying that they're a guru. Isn't the Bit that I'm talking about. It's at the individual level thinking getting confused between the message and the delivery system. And so I think that when you focus on your delivery system, when you focus on the profit, the individual, the guru, the God, whatever you call you, that's dogma. That's the way you like, fucking that's where I think it becomes a problem all of these things universe.

1:04:30
Humans do human shit, they fall in love with them, they, they want to be with them, they want to touch the all this stuff, which I think he's a liar that probably they haven't been able to reconcile or see and weigh in or a pragmatic approach then where you say,

1:04:47
the guru bit, the individual, that all that sort of thing, you can go down that path you can, you can read that stuff. If you're interested. You can read their autobiography but the gold That's going to move you forward. Isn't the individuals narrative, it's not the Guru's narrative. It's the virtues that come from it. It's the, it's the posture that we come to life. with Robin, I

1:05:15
haven't I haven't. I don't think if you like some of these people I've learned about aren't using their path is the, like, they're using exactly what you said. And so the ones that you'll like the big crumbs of the world, like these fuckwits that are using their narrative in their, you know, in their charisma, like they're manipulating. So there's the version that isn't doing any of that and they're not embodying that.

1:05:44
So you can't have a baseline. So there's thought leaders like so like if there's there's people who like uncomfortable, thoughtless, if you can be a thought leader, you can have great ideas you can have, like, you respect this is just not

1:05:56
for you. Like if that's I don't think you can get into it. If it's if have this attitude but i think

1:06:03
that i think No, but I think that the Doug Marinette is if you don't like the individual guru stuff, spirituality, and that this, this is not what you're saying, but this is how it can come across. If you're not willing to take the guru bit, you are not ready for the message and what guru bit you're needing to take because

1:06:24
I'm not taking a guru like, Well, I think that it was like we at this point you're listening like the guru bit is just a label of as it as it states, a Hindu spiritual teacher. I was listening to the spiritual teachings from a Hindu teacher at that point and so that's that's what it is like, at that point. If it's not about getting bogged down in the the term guru or whatever it is, well, how do you even land on one of these individuals, you only land on them based on resonating with the teachings. And so

1:06:56
you have resonated didn't resonate? So you get that like people a comp complex so it's like, someone can be great and with like, that's one thing with fucking love, you can have great actors, great directors, great all of these different things but they're flawed humans in all of these other ways. And so all all that I'm all that i'm saying is that it would be interesting hi the daily talk show calm if you've got any suggestions on this, like the, the path to mindfulness the path to all of this sort of stuff without getting bogged down in what I perceive, just because they like addressed differently to us, or whatever it is, like, there's still like, ego isn't something that was fucking just created in 2020 egos always been a thing. And so it's, it's just because someone was fuckin It was 200 years ago, whatever, or what have along like that doesn't, that doesn't mean that all of a sudden Because I didn't have iPhones that they, there wasn't fucking ego when all of that stuff attached. I understand that there's there needs to be leadership and there needs to be. There needs to be voices, who can be do a great job, which is what you're connecting with, that they can articulate something that you haven't yet been able to articulate. And we need leaders and we need people that we can look to. But the message is more important than the individual. And that's all that's all that I'm saying.

1:08:36
Yeah, but I, I don't know how many if you're getting conned by the persona, before you've heard the message and understood and connected with the teachings. That's I think that's something All right, that's it. I think that part of it is that at some point, that's what you're saying. You mentioned the you know, the the look of the people it's like, but if that's what you're that's it That is a that is a it's a construct, of course, it's like, that's some idea idealistic, like you're looking to someone that has to fit that persona. That's not necessarily how it works. It's I don't think that is the majority of people going finding someone like that just because they have a guru looking status. It's the teachings at the end of the day, it's the only reason you'll stick around if it does something for you. And if you resonate, and connect with end

1:09:28
of the other side of the same getting manipulated

1:09:31
sensitivity is that you've, which I completely understand the sensitivity is it's like, your mom has had an amazing life based on the teachings of a guru. And the Guru has been a big part of the teaching, and has been talked about within the family construct or like the part of like the when you're talking about things. It's a big part of her journey. And so it's not off

1:09:54
the back of watching documentaries about evil gurus, of course, I would think the same bit But of course, I would feel the side.

1:10:02
It's, I mean, the thing is it's not it's not even about evil gurus, what I'm saying is that the focus, if you take away like, there's gonna be fucking great people, there's gonna be great. In every case, there's great people, and then there's people who aren't great. The thing. Yeah,

1:10:19
I think that there's were definitely not disagreeing there. Yeah. And I agree with you on all levels. Yeah. on all of your points. There's a danger to it. But then, yeah, I think there's probably a little investigation into and seeing what you're saying, if there is somebody that resonates with us from these from more of this sphere.

1:10:41
I would prefer to have heaps of people messages, messengers, like different people from different backgrounds, different sort of, you know what, not one specific religion or one specific fact whatever you want to call it and getting the Choose and get and I understand the simplicity or the power. And the potential dogma though as well in being like, there's this one. This is one idea there's this one guru, there's this one individual. I don't

1:11:13
know who you're talking about that like it. That's, I think that's silly if you've, if that's your approach, one person is my everything. I don't know if that's the way you think that that's my mom's had many teachers, my mom's had, you know who direct a yoga teacher. And so, normally, it was in the open

1:11:33
from and I'm wary of just being a fucking truck trying to sound like an expert based on watching the documentary. But the consider Oh,

1:11:40
dude, it's a real problem. I agree with you, if that's your approach, that one person is my saviour for everything in my life, and I won't listen to anyone else. That's a dumb strategy.

1:11:49
So I think that's that's where like, I think that the leading with the person can do that anyway, enough where I can making any if you take that approach, you've outlined a bunch of approaches. If you took that he would end up in the situation you're talking about. And I think he was like, if you say, a specific, I'm going down this route, I'm going down this type of teaching all of the, all the other people that you're looking at, it all feeds into the same one individual that it's all started from. Right?

1:12:23
And yeah, so tapping in, it's all tapping in the hundreds of years doing a similar thing, tapping into something of a higher power. It's not it's not directly related to that individual. It's just like, make this is fucking motivational speakers that connect with one person, not the other.

1:12:41
So this is my criticism. This is my criticism of when people like fucking do this with anyone. They do it with Tim Ferriss, if someone's like, read four hour workweek, and they're like fucking Tim Ferriss, he's like he's, he's amazing. Like, it's amazing. All the like, his messages are amazing. He's He's put together Yeah, he could be a really good communicator or doing a great job of bringing in synthesising different ideas and presenting it in a new and exciting way. But Tim Ferriss didn't invent fucking passive income. And so I think that that's my mom did.

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Exactly. It's not from a guru to

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me, I think they're super, super basic principles that you can't get all your information from one source. The world is varied and, and everyone's flawed, like this is all these things every spot on

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and so I think that may be what's getting missed based on the conversation. I have no issue at all with it, whatever your individual spiritual journey is, if it involves gurus, or whatever, or like a fucking profits or whatever, the bit that I'm saying Is that let's not make spirituality or Let's not make mindfulness only available to those that are willing to use those constructs and what I'm not I don't think Yeah. And so what I'm communicating is that I will do all this like, it's not like because I don't believe in the individual or not even believe in the individual don't want to buy into the, the following mentality. But I think that there's heaps of interesting things that we can gain from listening to these people. I will listen and listen to the message without necessarily having to fall into the following mentality. And the reason why I'm communicating that is because there's probably a bunch of people who it's like, if I can used to say this all the time when I was a kid with ra or whatever I was like, Yeah, like I get even I speak to my make nice on who's behind and I talk about like, Hey man, like, behind closed doors I'll be like, hey, like in regards to all of this, like, do you like all the virtues and stuff, the community all these things like or like there's so many awesome things about all of this stuff. But do you have to believe in the story and how they got there like all this like that bit that I'm not sure on and that's across like all religions. And so for me, they did one individual actually passed water. Yeah, walk through it. Like Yeah, I get that. Yeah. So my perspective is what's the end? The answer for me anyway, is you can enjoy the fruits of a being more mindful and doing all of those sorts of things. Whilst moving to the side, some of those other things you don't have to it's not a black and white, it's not you take it in its entirety or you don't take it at all. I think that we are able to Be mindful without the without the rah rah

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100% 100% doesn't require that to get to a place

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you know apply understand and the thing is I understand that for some people you do need it all and for them their best path has been what's the compelling bit for them is the stories is the the greater bit the longer bit but just it's not for me. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Okay all right it's a daily torture if you've got any thoughts at high at the daily talk show calm otherwise, are you a guru Are you uh, I mean, this is what happens we'll look back at this is like man did you see what happened when they went into lockdown they were real existential stuff that's going on right now.

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I think is a good time because you're actually interested in this shit the to actually do a bit of exploring to see what happens for you. Yeah, because I'm I'm I'm with you. And I think that the other side Have the non toxic gurus is or not even Guru is just the teachers of that mindfulness stuff. I think you're curious. I'm curious about the mindfulness and meditation side of things. She's, you know, it's, it's awesome.

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And I don't think that I think that I'm wary of not hurting feelings or not disregarding people's ideas on what they believe, but I just think that there's the other bit where I think there is an option where it's like, I fucking love all of this. Let's use that. So anyway, yeah, it's the daily talk show. Have a good one guys. Say guys love you.