The NFL Guys

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 809.

Tommy: What's happening, guys? What's going on? Weekend banter. Welcome, welcome to this Sunday morning service. Yeah, I came in a bit strong, didn't I?

Josh: That was good.

Tommy: Um, it's for a Sunday.

Mason: I appreciate the energy. I mean, Josh was at you clapping as well.

Josh: Yeah, that was me clapping.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah. What have you done this morning, Seb? You, you've just literally rolled up.

Josh: Yeah.

Mason: Yeah, yeah, yeah, 10 minutes ago, just woke up.

Josh: Just woke up. Just woke up like this.

Tommy: There's some jobs that you can push to the envelope, like the last minute. I mean, when I was a PT and I lived in my studio, so I lived out the back, it's one of those ones you'd end up pushing at 6:45, have a 7 o'clock client. You know, you'd at least brush your teeth, do the courtesy. Well, it feels like it's a lot easier now that, like, being in lockdown. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm in my trackies. I had a shower. I feel good. I feel good about the impending stage 4 that's going to be enforced today, potentially.

Josh: Well, yeah, you're messaging me because—

Tommy: No, you're messaging me.

Josh: No, you started it. You started it. No, no, no, you started. You started with a screen grab with a Guy you went to school with, I'm guessing, or normally the people with good information.

Tommy: No, I met this guy out one night. We had a huge night together.

Josh: If it works.

Tommy: Got really close, organised lots of plans for the coming weeks and they never happened. And so anyway, it was the excitement of the moment.

Mason: Reliable guy.

Josh: Yeah, reliable guy. So, you screen grabbed, you know, this is what the Victorian government's saying, you know, he knew people in high places and there has been a lot of that in the last sort of 24 hours. Bree was getting messages from friends. News.com.au, the top article is Extreme measures, Stage 4 near total shutdown is imminent.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah. Victoria braces for Stage 4 lockdown. That's The Age. I mean, this is— when do you—

Josh: So, should we spend the whole—

Mason: Herald Sun is saying—

Tommy: Now, what are they saying? Sev, at least fucking bring it to the table, mate. Josh and I brought a headline. Where's your headline?

Mason: Well, I mean, I was— I was on ABC. It was that imminent, uh, restrictions are coming, but you know, it's not as hyperbolic as, you know.

Josh: So I mean, more time on The Verge. Service, can you explain what's happening with TikTok?

Mason: Oh, oh yes. I mean, I'm still wrapping my head around it, but so Trump— it's, it's been a bit of an on-what around the platform TikTok about what it is, or yeah, no, so, so apparently TikTok's— you— the US has been wanting to ban TikTok for a while over privacy and security concerns. And so it's been banned in like the, um, military and all the, um, national security places. And so Trump said on Air Force One yesterday that he's gonna be banning TikTok. And so there's no information in terms of what that could look like at the moment. They were thinking potentially a a sale of it from the Chinese parent company to a US company, and Microsoft was actually in, uh, sort of talks for acquiring it. So, okay, apparently that's been cancelled now. So it's all—

Josh: so the acquisition is—

Mason: they've sort of—

Josh: Trump has taken the acquisition off the table because that's what it turned into. But it was early July that Mike Pompeo did that whole message out to the US saying, hey, This is basically spyware and sort of taken them a month to get all that stuff together. But yeah, he's going to sign either an executive order or based on what he can do with all of this sort of emergency stuff, you know, he's got a few more powers. Yeah, you know, I'm cutting it out.

Tommy: We like, we like to think Trump is wrong, but what if it's a good call? What if, like, we don't understand the spyware?

Josh: I don't know, I'm not saying that's bad. I think that—

Tommy: No, I know you're not. Yeah, like Most people would be like, Trump has lost his mind, he's banning, you know, we're banning social media platforms. Imagine if you're like, it is dark as shit, like TikTok, the spyware, they've just like, I mean, look at the little kids on it.

Josh: But it's also, I mean, if you think about it in the broader context, uh, the look at like, so there was all the, uh, the antitrust, uh, stuff that was going on in Congress. Was it Congress, Sebs, or like wherever they were doing that shit? Yeah, um, earlier this week, Tim Cook Uh, Zuckerberg. Yeah, Jeff Bezos. They were all sort of having to explain themselves because they've gotten so big that it's seen as being a bit, uh, anti-competitive. Yeah.

Tommy: Um, did you tweet something of Tim Dillon on, uh, one of his tweets about TikTok, Josh, last night? Was that you?

Josh: No.

Tommy: Oh, I gotta find it. So, so funny. Anyway, it's, um, I mean, it could be. I mean, there's a few casualties that will come out of it. I mean, there's some superstars that have risen out of America, TikTok stars. What happens to them? I mean, that's their whole— there's this— so Addison Rae is a big one. Um, I mean, she's rapped about— I heard her, I heard her rapped about in a song before I even knew what she did or what relevance she had. Dixie D'Amelio. And she's like, and she's got her dad's looking after her business. Like some of these kids have, it'd be like Bodhi becomes a TikTok star and I step in as CEO. I'm just like, I've got this son, let's go to the stars, baby.

Mason: Let's milk it, milk it.

Josh: It reminds me of the, not to make this all about topical news and stuff, but that reminds me of what's happened with Britney Spears.

Tommy: What has happened with Britney Spears?

Josh: Thanks for asking. No, so Britney, when she had her meltdown, I only know the basics. I'm definitely not an expert in the Britney Spears stuff, but— No deadlines. Imminent stage 4 for Britney. Exactly. I heard from a guy I went to school with that her dad has sort of, what is it called? Like custody, not, I don't know the exact language, but it's basically like she can't make any decisions on her own as an adult. And, um, so she's been doing some Instagram dances and a few different things, a Q&A session where people think that she's trying to give signs that she wants help.

Tommy: Yes, she's captive in her own house and her dad's running the show. I mean, God, I mean, it's a great sort of narrative, but Is it real? Like, is it—

Josh: But also, she had mental health issues, so maybe it's just like, when I looked at it, I was like, Britney's not doing too well. I mean, straight away go to thinking that she was held captive.

Tommy: Yeah, I know, that's another thing. I mean, if you look back at this week, you'd think you haven't been doing too well. Uh, I mean, we've had some nice comments, nice, uh, messages coming through, but we're not thinking you're captive by Brie. It's, it's, it's her fame as well. It's like She became famous at whatever, a young age. And so, I mean, is she mature? Like, is she matured? I mean, she's a mother.

Josh: Well, Katy Perry in her, that YouTube documentary, she spoke about she thinks that you stop ageing or you become the age that you were when you were famous. And so, if you become famous at 19, you're basically going to be 19 for the rest of your life.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, technically both physically and mentally, because a lot of these people get the surgery to look like they're still 19 when they're, you know, 50. So it's a bit of both, a bit of both. I mean, TikTok gave me some pleasure this weekend. I watched the funniest fucking video. It's a— it's something I would— I reckon I would get done by if Bodhi did it to me. I would definitely go along with it. This guy calls and he's probably like 18, he's in his car, he's parked, and he says, Dad, Dad, Dad, I've just been pulled over. I've told them that I was rushing home home because you have fallen down the stairs. Can you lay at the bottom of the stairs and they're going to follow me back to the house? And the dad's like, okay, yeah, yeah. And then he puts the— he has his stereo on with a cop siren. And then he rushes in, dad, dad, dad. And his dad's on the bottom of the stairs like, oh, goodnight. The dad's taken one shoe off to make it seem legit. And then the dad was just like, oh, you little pricks.

Josh: That is so funny.

Tommy: Such a good troll.

Josh: But he was—

Tommy: I mean, would you— if your son called you, Josh, yeah, definitely. Yeah, I'd be like, all right, take a short— what do I do, ice pack?

Josh: Yeah, I mean, I would— I think I would really, um, I would play into it.

Tommy: You get tomato sauce out?

Josh: No, I wouldn't get tomato sauce. I think I'd just be, oh, I'm winded. Like, I'm just like, oh, like you've just gotta Feel like you're in real, real trouble. I was thinking the lockdown stuff, you and I are both going to have our birthdays in lockdown.

Tommy: Oh, yes.

Josh: I think if it's going to be 6 weeks, right?

Tommy: Well, that's what the guy that told us.

Josh: That's what the bloke that you hung out with once.

Tommy: Is that what you're saying?

Mason: Our reliable source.

Josh: Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: News.com.au said 6 weeks, which I thought was a long time. I mean, that's like, what date is that that would come out? If we went in on Wednesday.

Josh: Basically like September, so my birthday is September 14th. I'm turning 30, and it would be like around September 14th.

Tommy: Oh my God, you just literally—

Mason: September 16th.

Tommy: Yeah. Oh God, I mean, it's— what's different? We'll have a nice big birthday party. It's the one party you will attend of your own that has more, you know, that has quite a few people. I reckon we could do a big party for you, Josh, as in a real nice party.

Mason: I'm talking about my 21st.

Josh: Oh yeah, your 21st is November 14th.

Tommy: That's later in the year.

Josh: Is that your birthday?

Mason: Yeah, November 1st.

Josh: So, November 1st.

Mason: Can we celebrate everyone's on my birthday?

Josh: Oh, you know, actually—

Tommy: Oh, oh yes, because we're in lockdown. Yeah, so your party. Actually, nah, mate, you need your 21st. Yeah, yeah, it has to be all about you. Yeah, it's all about that.

Josh: I know what he's trying to do, he's trying to pump up the numbers, trying to get a big turnout. Yeah, I get it, I get it. But no, no, it's, it's, it's gonna be all about you. What sort of cake do you want, Sevs?

Tommy: Oh, real—

Mason: I want one with blue icing.

Josh: Really? Not good for the asthma.

Mason: Yeah, no, I reckon. Yeah, no, I think, I think it'd be nice to have a nicely decorated cake. Oh, Josh, chocolate underneath with a bit of icing on top. Blue.

Tommy: Yeah, the Daily Talk Show blue, or— yeah, yeah.

Mason: We, yeah, we can have the Daily Talk Show logo at the top of it as well.

Josh: I feel like you don't see blue birthday cakes after sort of the age of 5, do you?

Mason: 5?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: No, no, no. So I had—

Josh: Did you say 5 before I said it? I feel like that was— you thought the exact same thing.

Tommy: Well, I had ice cream cakes as a kid for my birthdays from Carousel, and you could get footballs and you could get anything. You get Toy Story drawn on, and so it was all like these goo, this like, you know, sugary goo that they would put on, and it was the best bit about it. And even like, it was almost like the outline of the cake had like a raised, you know, like a piped on.

Josh: Yes.

Tommy: Blue color. And so I liked, I ended up liking the icing on the ice cream cakes more than the inside of it. The inside was subpar. It was just like a bit of chocolate, bit of vanilla, a bit of like crunchy.

Mason: It's the eclair over again.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Mason: A bit frozen on the inside.

Josh: Do you understand? So, uh, Seb's, uh, Grace was sending me screen grabs. Her mum had gone to a French cookbook encyclopaedia and was taking photos, which felt so old school. It's been so long that I've— I don't think I've ever been texted a piece from an encyclopaedia to prove a point. But, um, did you— Real power move. Real power.

Mason: No, what did it say?

Josh: Of course, you didn't. Only I care about the profiterole stuff. But no, it was interesting. I think that it was more to in favour for me because did you know profiteroles can have jam in them?

Mason: Yeah. Really? Like a doughnut?

Tommy: Like a jam doughnut.

Josh: Precisely.

Tommy: Well, the— not to harp on about, we've done too much of this content, but the bakery where I got my éclair—

Josh: Don't tell me you've eaten too much profiteroles. Don't you dare.

Tommy: No, next to John's—

Mason: I can name the show after it, the second day in a row.

Tommy: I made the decision to go the éclair over what looked like, what it seemed like an éclair, but just didn't have the chocolate. It had like a whole line of jam plus the cream, same bun. But that's called a donut. That was just like they called that donut.

Josh: Interestingly, my iMessages have like disappeared. That's very annoying.

Tommy: Mate, you've had a lot of things pop up.

Mason: Is that because you're doing audio?

Tommy: Your Slack's gone. Your Slack is gone.

Josh: Oh, it's because I'm turning off notifications left, right and centre.

Tommy: Oh, Josh, actually I had yesterday when I opened a message from Amy, all my messages seemed like they were gone.

Josh: Yeah. So, I'm going—

Tommy: Except one.

Josh: I'm only able to see up until yesterday at 1:50. Like, I can't see. Maybe it's this audio. So, I was testing this audio messaging function yesterday because—

Mason: You're going hard.

Josh: Well, yeah. So, Grace has gotten into the baseball and she's actually like, because when I said I was going to do, like, get into the baseball stuff, Grace living with Sev, she's got time at the moment and the footy's not really on. And so, she's like, okay, I'll take up baseball. I've got a team.

Mason: I think there's 20 footy games in the—

Tommy: Yeah, no, the footy— You've missed the mark there, Daz. They did— They're doing 25 games in 30 days or some bullshit like that.

Josh: Oh, really? Not during the day. Is there really?

Tommy: There's more footy than there's ever been.

Mason: On than ever.

Josh: In the next 3 or 4 weeks. Oh, this is great. Oh, this is good. So she's just doing baseball. Why is she doing baseball?

Mason: She loves sport.

Josh: Just loves sport.

Mason: I think she loves—

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Is she watching the footy as well?

Tommy: Too much footy.

Mason: Just the Dockers.

Josh: Just the Dockers. And so anyway, I mean, they're not playing every night, so it's all good. Yeah, I feel like, why isn't anyone talking about the footy?

Tommy: They are. It's called talkback radio.

Josh: It's called the radio. What are they saying? Who's winning?

Tommy: Well, they're just talking about, I don't know who's winning. I haven't been watching any of it. My dad has been watching it. My dad, I speak to my dad and I can hear my brother in the background just blowing up.

Josh: I haven't seen the neighbours because normally, like, I can see across the road there's some footy fans, but I haven't seen them doing that.

Tommy: Oh, Amy's coming number 3 in her tipping comp at work. Oh, that's good. She's killing it.

Josh: Well, so, but anyway, so the Major League Baseball stuff, I watched a whole game yesterday. And so, it was the Astros versus the Angels. Yeah. And so, it went from 11:10 AM until after 3 PM.

Tommy: Jesus.

Mason: 11 till about 3:40.

Josh: Yeah. 3. Yeah, it was nearly 4 o'clock. Yeah.

Tommy: Oh my God. It's nearly a 4.5-hour game.

Josh: That's gross. And so, I wasn't completely across the scores. And so, any time I had an issue, I would audio message Grace and saying, hey, what's happened? Because she gets right in. Because I felt like a bit of a poser because I've been saying that I'm being the baseball guy and she's messaged, she would message when there's a win or something exciting happens and I'm just not across it. Like I just haven't invested as hard as the baseball guy should have. And so, I'm really across.

Tommy: Whose description is Grace using?

Josh: She's using, I don't know what, are you using KO or something? Anyway. Yeah. And so, yeah, no, it's great. It's, but what all I'm saying is I've gotten into baseball. It's happened.

Tommy: I know, I just took that you're a poser from that.

Josh: No, no. Well, I watched the whole game. I watched 4 hours of baseball and I understood it.

Tommy: And that's a solid effort.

Josh: But also, I could get excited because I knew what was happening. Like before, when I was watching it, I had it on the background. I just liked that it was high definition, all of that sort of stuff.

Mason: Yeah, 60 frames as well.

Josh: That's quite nice.

Tommy: Were you reading as well?

Josh: So, I did do some reading. But I still had the audio on. I could understand what was happening.

Tommy: Idiot.

Mason: I mean, quite— it's quite a weird— like, if you think about it, was a 4-hour game and there were 9 home runs across a 4-hour period. You're looking at like half an hour. You have to wait half an hour for a home run, which is quite a long— like, to get a payoff from sport, like, it's quite, quite boring.

Josh: So, Sevs, you want to move to a different sport?

Mason: Oh yeah, so because we, we were listening to it and watching it like you used to. Like, I went and got a haircut, we came, hopped back in the car, and I put it on and I was playing it through the speakers and stuff. And it's actually, it's great to have in the background. We were like kicking the soccer ball outside and listening to it. It was great. But then when we got home—

Josh: Is it easy to listen to? How do you think I would go, like, if I was to go to bed with it playing? I guess timeline-wise it wouldn't, that wouldn't work, but say like a 3 AM game. If I wanted to just listen whilst I sort of—

Tommy: What are you doing, mate, at 3 AM? Just sleep.

Josh: I guess.

Tommy: I mean, it's like the old fella's—

Mason: They match like this.

Tommy: You'd see old people, uh, walking around with a little headset on listening to the AFL on the way to the AFL.

Josh: I get it.

Tommy: That's how it's like. I get the appeal.

Mason: It's easy to tell what's happening. It's just you don't know what is happening to which side. Because they're like, oh yeah, this person's playing. I don't know who that is.

Tommy: It is funny, this, this different types of sports that's broadcast on radio. And so if you just looked at the past, it's probably not baseball, football. I don't know, over in the States maybe there is NFL, but it's fast. It's like, you know, passing it off to Jeremiah, off onto Josh Jansen. Oh, Mr. 97's come through with a tackle and it's been changed over to the other side. You know, it's like, it's fast, it's— you get it, they're painting a picture. Whereas they're just— it's slower, 4 hours. But maybe it's cathartic for you, maybe that's why you want to do it.

Josh: And so, but Sevs is— is the, um, the NFL is what I want to get into.

Tommy: Is it started?

Mason: Well, no, not yet. So I, I went and watched the highlights of, uh, I think it was Ohio State and Michigan, and it was insane. Like, this, this is, this is like college, university, NFL, and it's like they've got like 30, 50, 60,000 people in a stadium. Like, it was ridiculous. And then they've got like, you know, they've got all the trumpets going, the coaches have got their cool little headsets on with a little boy behind them just dealing with all the wires and like giving him slack and stuff. Like, it's great.

Josh: Why don't they go wireless?

Tommy: I know, why don't they do more things?

Mason: It's just like great camera views and stuff. Like, it's very— they've got that spider cam and it's great watching it when they're like running and stuff. It's great.

Tommy: Oh, what about if we—

Josh: so NFL is different to college though, isn't it? Like, or I guess it's just a different— what's the different college? What's the college?

Tommy: AFL, VFL.

Josh: Yeah, so what's the college league of NFL?

Tommy: But like There must be a name.

Josh: NCAA. NCAA. Yep. Um, so that's what about— I've been watching.

Tommy: What about we all—

Mason: NCAA.

Tommy: What about we all go for the team that Rob Gronkowski— oh yeah, he's called the Gronk, and he plays— I'm trying to work out who he plays for.

Josh: Yeah, so, uh, Tampa Bay. Uh, Florida Buccaneers.

Tommy: Buccaneers.

Mason: Oh, that's, that's who, um, um, what's his name, the really good bloke, the quarterback.

Tommy: Oh, oh yeah, yeah, Brady. What's that, Brady?

Mason: Tom Brady. Yeah, he plays for them now.

Josh: And I do like, like, Buck Buccaneers, like there's something really in that.

Tommy: Tampa Bay Buccaneers. It's, um, is that Florida? Tampa Bay?

Josh: Yep. Yeah, I mean, and the good thing with Florida too is they've got very sort of an open legal system where you can see, like, so if any of the players were done drunk driving or something, we would see their mug shots and hear the full story.

Tommy: Now I go for the Buccaneers. Tom Brady's there. I mean, he's one of the only guys I know in the NFL. He literally moved there.

Mason: It was a little transfer this year. Dude, he's done 19 seasons at the Patriots and now he's moved to Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Tommy: 3 days ago, 3 days ago, his first practise with the Buccaneers. And so as a, as a collective Gronk Squad, we follow the team the Gronk plays for, the Buccaneers. The Buccaneers. Okay, I'm gonna have a baby.

Mason: Lynn says they shoot cannons every time there's a touchdown.

Tommy: Fuck, that's what I can get around.

Josh: How many touchdowns in a game?

Tommy: There'll be shitloads. There'll be shit— 10, 15.

Josh: Surely, because I've watched the, um, the Super Bowl a bunch of times, but I've never understood the actual game. Like, I watch it for the ads. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've been— actually, uh, Mike Miller, who's a Gronk, listens to the show. I, I was at his apartment when the, um, we watched a game on the big projector. It was great.

Tommy: I think we— I think it'd be quite easy to get around. It's quite high energy.

Mason: It's, uh, you have good energy. I mean, there's a bit of concussion and brain damage going on, but outside of that, we don't want to play ourselves.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mason: And so, helmets are pretty sick as well.

Josh: So, one of the things that I liked about baseball is the— that I actually liked that it went for a little bit longer. You can have it in the background. The other part of it too was I did like the— one of the few sports outside of golf where they wear the equivalent, equivalent of like a business belt. They're wearing like a leather belt as if they're like going to some sort of meeting. So I sort of like that look, but they all wear hats, and so it's very easy to wear a baseball cap and make it very clear who your team is. What, what do we get in the way of sort of merch?

Tommy: What do you mean? They do sick Gurnseys or jerseys, whatever you say. They've got the jackets, like think about the college football jackets. Like think about it's that—

Josh: Do you remember East Bay? That's where I used to buy all my stuff when I was younger.

Tommy: Never heard of it.

Josh: East Bay, they're like a— No, it's online. It's like for US stuff.

Tommy: The only things I bought online as a kid were fireworks and a fake ID. Literally.

Josh: When I say kid, I was like 17, like probably 16, 17.

Tommy: No, but still, dude, I wasn't buying anything online at that age.

Mason: Okay, you can get anything, Josh.

Josh: I could get a new era NFL salute.

Mason: Oh, this is great.

Josh: It's probably— it's pretty military, isn't it?

Mason: There's like, um, service Gorham Brothers hats. Oh, that's the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's something, dude.

Tommy: I'm— mate, I'm across. Here is Majestic Athletic Buccaneers Champs Crew Sweat Sweat black. It's like a sweatshirt. That is sick. I love the, um, the flag.

Mason: I love the pirate. They got masks. This is great. Also, the game goes for 3 hours and 12 minutes, Josh. Okay, so that's long, the average length. So it's just like, it's a decent— if you had pregame and, you know, but think about the pace of it, it's definitely 4 hours.

Tommy: So I've seen this higher paced.

Josh: There's a vintage store called, uh, Restated Vintage, and they do a vintage Tampa Bay Buccaneers leather jacket. Oh, it's a look, it's a look. Can you link me, baby? Yeah, it looks great. Link me, um, link me.

Tommy: Or we could just pull a Jasnah and, and take their logo and get it printed ourselves. Appreciate Jasnah, the hustle, hustle, babe.

Josh: Um, okay, great. And so are you up for Because I was thinking, so when I got into the sport, it was a real stress reliever for me because I was like just focused on the game. Um, it was, yeah, I could just— it was like Bree said, oh, it's so good that you're just like sitting there and watching it. Look at you go. I'm just kidding, you know, fucking cheered on for doing fuck all yesterday, you know.

Tommy: Because I think, think about this, um, when If we're following the Buccaneers and then they— imagine if they made it into the Super Bowl, like we could do a whole Super Bowl party, which they probably won't. I'm not sure if they're the team, but we could still at least do a Super Bowl party because we're across the sport.

Mason: The first game is on the 14th of September.

Josh: Oh, my birthday.

Tommy: Oh yes, it's absolutely your birthday.

Josh: Okay, we're doing an NFL— we're doing an NFL— is Buccaneers playing that day? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mason: Oh, this is sick. They're playing New Orleans Saints.

Josh: Turning 30.

Tommy: We've got, um, Jasper's on YouTube watching right now. That's his team. He goes for them too.

Josh: Great. So he says that under 10 normally, that's how many, um, touchdowns you'll get in the game.

Tommy: Under 10, okay.

Mason: Yeah, 6 points per touchdown as well.

Tommy: I'm happy with, um, 9,000.

Mason: They're also getting goals as well.

Josh: And so when you kick through the thing, what do you get for that?

Tommy: Yeah, I'm not sure. We need, we need someone on.

Mason: We have to look into it.

Tommy: Yeah, we need something.

Josh: Maybe Grace could be— she's very good at sort of explaining the sport stuff. Yeah, tutorials where it's like, this is the scoreboard, this is what you got to look at. And once you, once you understand the scoreboard, it's a lot easier.

Tommy: Would Gracie girl get into the NFL, do you think?

Josh: Uh, that's a no. I'm not sure.

Mason: She's super, super keen on it. Would you get into it?

Tommy: I mean, there's some impressive specimens.

Josh: So what's— why do you think that she was really into baseball over NFL? What's the appeal in the baseball?

Mason: Uh, I think the head smashing might be something potentially.

Tommy: Okay, I'm actually gonna start— I'm gonna start sending Grace photos of NFL players with their tops off. That prop might be great. And to Bree and to Amy, just Gronkowski with his top off. Just, yeah, how's this?

Mason: Solid unit.

Josh: It's quite the, um, group message.

Mason: Yeah, here you go.

Tommy: This is—

Mason: Glenn's just sent— oh yeah, that's a very big group message. 6 points for a touchdown and 1 extra point if you kick the goal, I believe. Right, you have a goal kick after touchdown, I don't know.

Tommy: Yeah, and then that's when you do it for a field goal.

Mason: Those are the 2 common scoring.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah. So if you're just running and you punt it through you get 3, but if you get a touchdown and then do a punt, yeah, soon after that you get—

Josh: Do you know who we should get on, um, to talk about this with us?

Tommy: Brad Blanks?

Josh: Oh, definitely Brad Blanks, but also Big G Mueller. Oh, Jay will be fucking across this. He's got— I'm pretty sure he's got a fucking NFL podcast. Yes, yes.

Tommy: Now I'm— I like the rah-rah of the NFL, like I like this. Yeah. The Hollywood nature of it. You know who, um, you know who Scott Tweedy's co-host— Scott, who we've had on the show, living over in New York— his co-host used to play for the NFL. Uh, I can't remember his name, but he was, you know, these, these fellas are on big money. Yeah, big money.

Josh: I like how he's on radio because of the concussions. I have to fucking memorise it before I get on, Scott, because I'm fucking Yeah, it took a beating.

Tommy: No, no, no, there's some— yeah, yeah, I'm all across it. And then I'd love to get Gronk on this show. I reckon we could, and then we'll break it to him that we've got the Gronk Squad in Australia.

Josh: I feel like the US is pretty litigious. Yeah, yeah, we're definitely getting sued. It's so disappointing about this. Um, I mean, maybe I'm, I'm, I'm entering into the news cycle or taking it too much at face value, but, um, yes. All the Ellen DeGeneres stuff. Have you been following this? Oh, she has toxic workplace.

Tommy: All I saw is Ellen's fed up and she's throwing in the towel or something.

Josh: Why is there so much about, like, it's very interesting. For whatever reason, there's always something. There's always an Ellen story. Who's writing that?

Tommy: Well, I mean, this is— Yeah, it's the snowball effect. I was thinking about—

Josh: Explain the smoke effect for us. Tully sounds like it's a real theory.

Tommy: No, but think about the amount of articles that have been written about Tully and just anything she does. I think they work out what gets clicks and they say, okay, an incident with one of the biggest talk show hosts in the world, and I reckon it's going to receive a shitload of attention. And so if it was doing no good for all news sites, they wouldn't run it. Because it's not that big of a deal. It's like Ellen treating people like shit in her workplace is like— there's a storey about that every corner you go to about someone from Hollywood. But obviously I think people are so invested in Ellen. She's the sweetheart. You thought she was really nice. I was surprised if it is true that she— but like, she's probably a high performer that's just fucking yelling at people. No, no, not all right.

Mason: Pressure.

Tommy: Not all right, but it's like not that fucking— I mean, it makes sense that these people do this shit.

Josh: Yeah, not that's all right. Can I just say, the, um, Apple News— who uses Apple News?

Tommy: Oh, I, I canned that so long ago.

Mason: It's so tough.

Tommy: I canned it.

Josh: It was on my pocket. But not even on like, not even from a notifications perspective. The, the actual, um, the, the way that it presents the news. So they've come out, um, I think it was about 3 weeks ago where they, um, they went to like a paid subscription model with Apple News. And so you could pay a subscription and then you get all of it and you get magazines. And you know, I love a subscription. And so I tested that, I did the trial, but this is one of the first times where I cancelled a trial before they stung me the fee because it was just so confusing. It's just like random article, like it's just, there's no It feels like there's so no sort of like editorial thinking behind what they're going to show.

Tommy: Yeah, is it— do you think they're trying to— it's like, I mean, people, content directors curating what people are ingesting or viewing and reading. Is this just like some algorithm that's not doing well? I've just put some—

Josh: yeah, I don't know. I think it's actually— I think it's habitual. So when you go on to a news website, say you go to New York Times, you know the context in which you're viewing and consuming that content, just like if you were to go to a News Corp site or, or, you know, a different type of website. And so what happens with Apple News is you'll get one storey that could be from The Age, and then you'll get one from like New Idea or it's some sort of like magazine piece where the journalism is a little bit different or it's sort of the context is completely different. And so—

Mason: The whole aggregation part of it's so difficult.

Josh: Yeah.

Mason: Like it's—

Tommy: Yeah.

Mason: You're just mixing and matching.

Josh: And so, is there something in— Who was telling us about Flipbook? Is it Jase Hawkins that uses Flipbook? I'm trying to remember who uses Flipbook.

Mason: Flipboard.

Josh: Flipboard. Thank you.

Tommy: Oh, yes. Someone put it in and it, and it, um, it just— it's like the RSS feed.

Josh: Yeah, I'm like the— it gives you— but it's the difference between the RSS, a straight RSS feed, it sort of makes it look shiny. It feels like an Apple News product. But I use Flipbook. Is it Flipbook? Is that what's called?

Tommy: Someone recommended it. What about this stuff, um, Australia, with the Facebook and Google paying for news that they're putting out on their platforms. The government, yeah, has released a draught mandatory code of conduct that aims to succeed where other countries have failed in making the global digital giants pay for news syphoned from commercial media companies. Old mate Frydenberg, uh, Treasurer of this country, said Google and Facebook would be the first digital platforms targeted. It's about a fair go for Aussie news media businesses. It's about ensuring that we have increased competition, increased consumer protection, and subtle— a sustainable media landscape, he says. Which is interesting. I mean, I don't know how that's going to play out, negotiate— negotiating with these big swingers.

Josh: Well, because the thing is that where we as the Australian media, or like just like more broadly speaking, people who are making content, like we are giving Google, Facebook, all of this content, like, we are putting it— think about how much, like, Instagram is getting us basically to pay, uh, work for free. That's essentially what it's like. If you can frame it that way, it's like, hey, will you come on our platform and just, like, post all of the time? And there's definitely a value transaction going on, but I think there's also the broader thought around Yeah, what does it, um, for companies that are worth so much and have so much, maybe there should be some form of redistribution or trying to sort of, you know, bring that, um, that cash that they're making and spreading it across, um, to creators as well.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, it's like you become your— you think you're a user of the platform, but then you become a part of the platform. It's like you are their business model. That's where people think, no, I have control because I have a page and I can post. But then you end up—

Josh: it's like saying, you know, if you, if you don't pay for the product, you are the product.

Tommy: That's right. Yeah, yeah.

Josh: Um, but you know, this is happening with Amazon as well. People aren't happy with, uh, the work conditions with Amazon. The hard thing is like they get paid, I think it's, um, around $18. It's above well above minimum wage and things like that. But the tricky bit is, so people see Jeff Bezos and they're like, here's someone who's got heaps of cash, they can afford it. They talk about like the CEO made X amount of money, but the reality is it's like Jeff Bezos is an owner of Amazon as well. So, that's like he's, you know, getting, you know, boosted that way. But, um, yeah, I think that the hard thing is it's like, okay, well, what are the competitors doing in the retail space? Retail in general is fucked. Amazon's actually doing better than most retail, um, sort of, uh, organizations. And so people are looking at what Amazon's doing and saying, hey, they've got heaps of cash, you should be paying more way more than what the average worker, factory worker would be getting. Um, but I get the, the broader question that I was thinking about, it's like, okay, so say if that does happen, so say if I feel like it's very hard to think like a billionaire because I'm like, it's very easy to say, and if I had, if I had Jeff's money, I'll just pay everyone really well, right? Like, that's what, like, I feel like that's what everyone would say. Well, that's how I feel anyway. It's like, why the fuck is he holding on to some? You don't need that much cash. Um, but then the thing that I go to is it's like, the bigger question is what happens when Amazon can actually automate all of this stuff? So at the moment they're using people and they have people, but it's like when Uber— people were complaining about Uber saying drivers aren't getting paid enough. Like, the, the long-term plans for all of these businesses is that, um, people, people are less and less in, in the equation because they're automating it all. And so I feel like, yeah, they're thinking short-term, how can I make more cash now? But the bigger question is, is it's like, oh, if we can get a robot to do the thing that you're currently doing, like the reason why Amazon is treating them like robots is because they're eventually moving to a place where they're using robots.

Tommy: Do you think that is a money play? Like, they're like, or they think safer if robots are doing half the jobs that we've got? Like, as a business, do you think that it's actually, we want to increase our profits by a thousand percent?

Josh: Well, I think that like profits obviously become a factor, but it's efficiencies, it's if you can make, uh, if you can be more reliable through something that is like a robot, why wouldn't you do it? Yeah, it's— yeah, it's— I mean, Seb, have I taken that— have you read any more on that Amazon stuff?

Mason: Um, no, I mean, so the most of the stuff in the news about the Amazon stuff has been around them crushing third-party sellers on their website.

Josh: So that's the whole antitrust stuff that— and I think that, yeah, the people were not— the workers were annoyed that the conversation was around that and not working conditions. And so, yeah, explain the, um, the, the anti-competitive stuff.

Mason: Well, so what, what they were getting questioned about was whether they use the data from their platform, so from all the third-party sellers, to inform product decisions to come out with their own Amazon-branded stuff and then, you know, underprice and crush all the third-party sellers. And so what Jeff essentially said is he can't guarantee that they do or they don't do that, and that it hasn't happened in the past. So yeah, it's a bit, it's a bit sad.

Tommy: I mean, imagine, imagine some sort of, um, coder who's working internally and sees that there's this dumb little phone dingle dongle that's doing really well over a store here, and then they somehow work out how to just— that's internally at a small level. But yeah, the company, I mean, that was— I remember you telling me about that, Josh, probably a year ago.

Josh: Well, because there's two different versions. So there's the Amazon Basics stuff, which is like, uh, it's not just like a fucking coder, it's like a there's teams that are developing new products for Amazon. And so obviously through when you're developing products, you want to understand about market fit and, you know, whether people want to buy these products. And so what they're talking about here is it's like, okay, if they see that iPad accessories are doing really well and there's a specific style where it's got, you know, a certain you know, rubber finish or whatever it is, or, you know, a certain style, Amazon can then make their own. The other part of it is around seeing what people are buying. And then, so for instance, one of the examples, which is a very, very American example, was a, um, a guy who was selling, uh, products for, um, like guns. So it was like accessories for guns which you could sell. And, um, uh, what was happening was, uh, they were selling heaps of certain products. Then Amazon would go directly to that company and, um, and buy in bulk and then sell, like, basically distribute the, uh, the product. And so they were going to the distributors or whatever and getting a better deal, undercutting, um, and then it put you in a position like, if, if, if they know how well, a certain product's doing, then obviously if they can then sell that product directly, then that's— I think that's what that antitrust stuff was about.

Tommy: I mean, imagine a factory that has robots in it that are using information from the back end, understanding the products, and it's taking upon itself to build a prototype based on a 3D print model that they've sort of looked and scanned a product that's been out there, and then they're selling it. Like, at what point does it just become that automated where it's like they have factories just making shit without a person needing to even be there to look at it?

Josh: And so then it becomes like a more philosophical question, which is like, what do you do with a massive group of people when the work that they've been doing for 10, 15, 20, 30 years, when that's no longer around?

Tommy: Dude, it's— I mean, America's got a— what's the unemployment rate in America at the moment?

Josh: I feel like it's across the board though, right? Like, you think about, think about the amount of jobs that are in Australia that could be disrupted And then what, what can— what is our responsibility as a society or governments and things like that to provide support?

Tommy: Oh yeah, I don't know. I mean, look at, look at what's happened at the moment with the support the government's giving.

Josh: It's—

Tommy: that's been a knee-jerk reaction or a reaction based on something external happening. But I mean, they can What's in motion now for the future is— Oh, there you go.

Josh: Good time.

Tommy: What jobs Bodhi gonna have when he's our age?

Josh: Well, yeah, I think that like that's— There's definitely interesting stuff around even like universal like salaries or whatever. You know, like—

Tommy: Universal basic income.

Josh: Yeah, basic income. Like being able to give people enough cash so they know that they can live. And then, you know, I don't know. I mean, I feel like we're seeing versions of that now.

Tommy: Hey, Bodhi. Buzz Lightyear's here. Buzz.

Josh: G'day, Bodhi.

Tommy: Hi, cheeky monkeys.

Mason: Hi, cheeky monkeys. Hi, monkey. Don't see them.

Tommy: I'll finish up here. All right, but Bodhi wants to say something.

Josh: Okay, it's a daily talk show. Uh, Bodhi.

Mason: Hi, monkey.

Josh: Say hello to all the Gronks.

Mason: Hello.

Tommy: Say hi, Gronks.

Josh: Ouch, ouch. Too loud? All right, great. It's a daily talk show. Thanks, guys. Enjoy the rest of your day, and we'll see you tomorrow. Have a good one.

Tommy: See you guys.