Just The Two Of Us

Josh: The Daily Talk Show. It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 768.

Tommy: What's happening, guys? What's going on? It's just you and I, Joshy boy.

Josh: Feels like the old days.

Tommy: I know, everyone's left us. Everyone's having a little holiday except us.

Josh: Yeah, uh, 97 is, uh, currently with Grace.

Tommy: Yeah, happy baby. What do we say? Baby's happy.

Josh: Yeah, uh, I'm fucking ropeable today. Why? No real reason.

Tommy: There's so much to be happy about. Yeah, there's I mean, it's a quietish week based on the boys being away. You know, our young man, Mr. 97's found love.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: What's up?

Josh: Well, I wrote a list. So, you know, some people put together gratitude lists.

Tommy: Well, we do blame Mondays here at the Daily Talk Show. Who are you? What do you got to blame? What do you want to blame?

Josh: I'll start off. The most annoying thing to happen was at 8:45 AM. Yeah. I decided to trim my sideburns. You saw? Yeah. This is off the back of— you posted a photo on Saturday of Timbo Reid.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: From the Small Business, Big Marketing podcast. We had him on the show.

Tommy: Great.

Josh: And the way the lighting was, was the light behind us was very strong. And when you have a strong backlight, if you have hair on your ears—

Tommy: Let me just zoom in on this.

Josh: Can you zoom? I'm so angry about it, but I'm not angry at you, I'm angry at myself. Hey, fairy.

Tommy: Little, um, I mean, I've got it too, dude, but I know what you mean. But hang on, let me just zoom in on my ears.

Josh: No, nothing. No, it was such a good photo of you. But anyway, so I was like—

Tommy: The only thing with mine, sorry, you can see my Bonds undies.

Josh: Well, that's nice.

Tommy: But is that a thirst trap or is that—?

Josh: No, that's a thirst trap. Okay. Yeah. So, anyway, I decided this morning to shave my sideburns very last minute. Yeah. And got the shaving settings all wrong. Oh, no. And basically shaved that bit to a bald. And that's why you shaved your beard today. Yeah. So, I shaved everything. And so, I shaved like so— You shaved your head again? Yeah. Oh, you have? Well, yeah. So, sort of like I've gone quite— Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Tommy: Well, it actually looked a bit sort of scruffy because it might have grown in different lengths.

Josh: Well, that was my problem. And— But it was just, I felt terrible because Bree has a 9:00 meeting and I was having a meltdown at 8:55. God. And then because I needed her help because I couldn't do the back. Yeah. And so what do you do? Yeah.

Tommy: What did she postpone her meeting or?

Josh: No, I just, I sort of. You left the back. No, I just waited. Just scull it. And so that happened. And then what?

Tommy: So that's 8:45.

Josh: 8:45. Yeah. And so I was just like annoyed about it. And then I was walking into the office.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And I saw Audio Technica liked the video that we did. That's great. So we did a video for Audio Technica. I was a little bit upset last week because of Seb's not explaining the whole situation when we were going to film it. We filmed it on Friday. Yeah, on Thursday. Sorry. Edited it all up.

Tommy: No correlation between his week off this week and the blow up last week.

Josh: A lot of work. And so anyway, I was like, As I was walking, I was like, this is so good. Audio Technica, like, they like it. And then I thought about it. I'm like, they're going to email Mason back and they'll be like, thank you so much. What's the chances? This is, this is me getting annoyed based on me not knowing the answer. What's the chance that he hasn't put an autoresponder on his email?

Tommy: The biggest, like, 100% chance. Yeah.

Josh: I think I'll email Mason at bigmediacompany.com right now. You've just given his email. That's fine. If he got some email and then responded, that would be a weird—

Tommy: I've just written, hi, this is coming from my personal one.

Josh: And if Mason is listening right now, don't you dare just respond back pretending to be an autoresponder because we know that it would be. It's instant.

Tommy: Should be instant. And I've received nothing. I mean, he wouldn't think that. The guy who doesn't send email.

Josh: Yeah, exactly. Is he thinking of an autoresponder? And so the other thing that happened.

Tommy: So we're at about what, 9:00 PM.

Josh: So now I'm going to go back to Sunday. So last night, and so last night I did an Insta post celebrating our biggest week ever.

Tommy: Yeah. I mean, I looked at that and I immediately thought it was you celebrating the month before it's even finished and we've still got 10 days. And I was like, wow. But then I worked out it was a week. And then what you'd said is We've had our biggest week of downloads ever, which I just had a look at some numbers. Yeah. And it took us to get what we got this week. Last week it took us nearly 7 months from starting the podcast to getting that many downloads. And so I thought it was quite nice.

Josh: We haven't celebrated a week before at all. I think we've only done it once before. And the risk that I was taking last night was So our biggest week ever. So in a month we get around 75,000 downloads for the month. That's IAB 2.0 compliant if you're playing at home. Yeah.

Tommy: Do you want to go into that or not?

Josh: We'll leave that. And so we on a good— so, so our record week of downloads was 19,600 and something, right? And so what I realised was that normally on a Sunday it ticks over to be the biggest, like, so that happened in May, like May 5th. We had the biggest week ever. Yeah, but I'm in bed going to sleep when it ticks over. And so when I looked at it at 7 p.m. last night, we were at 19,300 and something. Okay. Yeah. And I was like, well, it's very fair to say that we will hit our biggest, we'll hit over 19,600. So you did a quick projection.

Tommy: Based on— I did a projection how many hours left in the day. Exactly.

Josh: Okay. And so I did the post, uh, and I asked— I would— I had a couple of wines and I asked Bree, and she was like, yeah, that's all fine, I think that's all good. And, um, the praise started coming. You boys are the best, you fucking— yeah, yeah.

Tommy: I was just looking, that post has had like 160 likes. It was, um Yeah, it was, it was very nice.

Josh: And so anyway, this morning I woke up to see that we had 19,500 and something, I think. Is that right? Yeah, it was, it was 100 off our biggest week. And so then, no joke, I actually got hives based on just like, oh, you lying piece of shit. Like, I mean, every day, I mean, imagine Rain Man Rory who looks over our numbers, like Danny, his girlfriend, like the person, they're gonna go on a Simplecast and say Josh is full Oh, shit. This is— And then I just— So, I just wanted to bring that up. So, this is your conscience of 100 likes.

Tommy: 100 downloads, yeah. 100, sorry, downloads. I mean—

Josh: And so, the thing is that like from the previous month— Sorry, the previous week, I think it was like 16,000. So, going to nearly 20,000, it's a big jump. And it is our second biggest week of all time.

Tommy: But it doesn't sound as good as the first. And you can't amend it because it was written on an actual post.

Josh: You can't change the text.

Tommy: That's, I mean, that's okay. We have YouTube too, and that's being gross.

Josh: But it felt like if, and that's what I tried to do. I was like, oh, I didn't say podcast downloads. Yeah. And I just thought like, I don't want to deal with this lie. Well, yeah.

Tommy: I mean, it's like when people talk about how much money they make, they round it up. Yeah.

Josh: Or they're including super, they're doing it as a package. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I want to know after tax. What are you saying? After expenses.

Tommy: Yeah. After you pay your rent, what are you making? I think it's okay. It's— you've admitted the fuck up.

Josh: I'm trying to think if I've got any other things.

Tommy: Man, I've just got one which was pretty hurtful and it's come from you and it's on Instagram, the Daily Talk Show's Instagram. And I see you— this probably was last night when you're on your wines and you've changed it from hosts and then @JoshJanson, which hyperlinks off to you, and then and Tommy space jacket and then in brackets no Insta account. Yeah, I just rubbed that shit in. Well, I don't have—

Josh: I was trying to work out what to do. Well, just leave it. But I didn't like that it was not hyperlinked. It will become hyperlinked.

Tommy: I'll give you an update. So my Instagram, my Facebook has been completely wiped off the face of the earth as of last— I think it was Friday morning. Which is very disappointing. I say like genuine mistake on Facebook's end. And what does that mean? I think it's like an automated fuck-up.

Josh: So I definitely thought that there was an actual gronk that was doing that.

Tommy: No, but then I just— this is how I'm telling the storey to myself to make myself feel a bit better about not having an Instagram or Facebook.

Josh: Story King is I watched a bunch of Eckhart Tolle last night. No, good not to create too many stories. That's what I'm trying to work on.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, because they, they, they're distracting. Power. They give you the power, the wrong power.

Josh: That's why I have lists now.

Tommy: And so, yeah, so last week I got onto it, posted, got Georgie Boy to, you know, help me with some sort of graphic and Bree was working on some copy.

Josh: This was around your account had been disabled and you were telling everyone, hey, who can help me out from Facebook?

Tommy: Because they'd said this decision cannot be reversed. And so anyway, I got on to my boy Jules Lund, and anyway, I've had two internal requests lodged at Facebook. So this is like a staff member is able to jump into some backend system and lodge something with a department that will then take a look at it. And so I've had two people submit them.

Josh: Jerky, you could get verified.

Tommy: While we're at it. Absolutely not. I don't want— I just want it back. And so, but I mean, this is the thing. These are friends of friends that have done them. Rob from Quad Lock kindly connected me with somebody. That was good. Contact of his. And then Jules Lund also. And so I mean, but I mean, what do you, what do you do now? You swipe.

Josh: So how upset— because I don't think I maybe met it with as much seriousness on Friday that you were feeling inside. Maybe there was a bit of a detachment. Yeah.

Tommy: I mean, it's like, what can you do? I think if you entered into it, you'd have a panic attack based on thinking about what you would be feeling. Well, I think so.

Josh: I don't know if the personal, I reckon my personal one, I'd be fine. I deleted my Facebook. Like I—

Tommy: But then it's your Instagram because it's the same thing. Yeah.

Josh: So, I think that the daily talk show, I'd be absolutely ropeable. Yeah. Josh Jansen, like it's an absolute pigsty if you go onto my account. It's a pigsty. Give me a follow, by the way. Oh, come on, mate. You can't. You can't do that while I've got people to follow. Yeah, I do wonder if you're going to— I did think about starting from scratch. You start from scratch and how we could sort of— You get people.

Tommy: You could get people onto it, but it's very hard. I was thinking about it. I mean, this is why you see like big Instagrammers having second accounts, third accounts. They create— For Instagram. Yes. And Logan Paul has about 2 other accounts that if one gets wiped, he can jump onto another one.

Josh: Well, that's what I was thinking about the cyber attacks that are happening at the moment in Australia. Australia. What did I say? Australia. Australia. Australia. Fucking the Audio Technica. Like, I put in so much work and then 97's like, ah, ah, Australia. Ah, ah. You do say it though.

Tommy: That's how you say Australia.

Josh: Australia. Australia. But I want to say Australia. Yeah. But the cyber attack stuff I was thinking about the show, I was like, I'm glad we are on different platforms. Like, we have YouTube, like everything's on YouTube, everything's in the podcast, everything's on the website. So even if one thing was taken down, all of our content is still good.

Tommy: I mean, this shows you how putting complete, uh, focus on one platform, especially the ones like Facebook and Instagram and even Snapchat— like, I've had a half a dozen people come forward and say, mate, a guy from the gym 10 years ago, mate, How are you? Exact same thing happened to me. I've lost my Facebook and Insta, haven't been able to get it back. If you work it out, please let me know.

Josh: Is he the one that fed a mouse to his pet snake? No, no.

Tommy: Oh, no, there's another guy. On LinkedIn. Another guy on LinkedIn who's quite a, you know, successful LinkedIner.

Josh: Facebooker. LinkedIner. Okay. Yeah.

Tommy: He, yeah, he posted a photo on his personal Facebook of his snake eating a mouse. And not good, gone. So, that's breaking community guidelines. But think about all the shit you see on Facebook, horrible videos.

Josh: Did you see Donald Trump drinking water over the weekend? No.

Tommy: How was he drinking it?

Josh: Well, so, there was a whole— Oh, you're just— Just like that, just how you're sipping right now. No. So, he— The media, I think, was criticising him based on he was like holding it funny or whatever. And so, then he came out to one of the rallies and you've got to look it up. It's fucking great. But it's him being like, look, look at me drink the water. And he like drinks it. Everyone's like cheering and he throws the glass on the ground. Oh, smash it. Just so I saw Mason sent it to me. I said, Donald Trump's my favourite stand-up.

Tommy: Mate, he, I mean, I was listening to a comedian talk about how he's like his ego is tested and obviously very fragile. Like thinking about having to respond to someone saying how you drink water and then how he walked down like this ramp and he was like—

Josh: Bit slow. Bit slow.

Tommy: I mean, it didn't even look that bad. The media just were like, oh, look at him, he's old, he's almost falling over. Like, and he had obviously like shoes on that are slippery. But then he comes out and defends it and spends time as the president.

Josh: Well, you think about it, though, he puts so much criticism on people like Joe Biden, Sleepy Joe, as he calls them. And I guess once he builds out that, he knows the power of building these characters.

Tommy: Or he then knows that we're going to talk, random people are talking about him everywhere.

Josh: But also, I guess it's a bit of a distraction as well.

Tommy: Yeah. What was the other thing for me? Now, I mean, I just feel digitally yucky at the moment, you know, like thinking compromised, you know, my account, the attempted hack and then my passwords. And it's just in a frump, you know, just, just I tried to add two-factor authentication to my Google account, which then was causing trouble through third-party applications. I just— it makes you realise how vulnerable, vulnerable. And when you, when you aren't willing to get uncomfortable and try and change everything, how that is the state where you get done. Like someone just comes in, wipes you. Like, imagine, imagine having, imagine having your identity taken.

Josh: Stolen. Yeah, it'd be so annoying.

Tommy: Like, imagine if someone on Instagram posted a photo of your licence.

Josh: Yeah, someone could take your licence number, you know. But that is outrageous. Don't do that. If you, if you find a licence, do not— Sam Cav, I'm talking about you. If you, if you take a— if you find someone's licence, don't put a photo up on your Instagram because it has their address and it's got their licence number.

Tommy: Yeah, which, which is how you can end up You know, that's used for a heap of verification things like a bank.

Josh: I've got 3 credit cards. Yeah, through Cameron.

Tommy: My God, I got sent in, I think it was in our Instagram. It wasn't to me, it was to us. An episode of this podcast that was talking about a girl who had her Snapchat hacked. And so, she had like an OG username, Lizard. Snapchat username Lizard, which would be huge. Like if you had that on Instagram, it's huge. Reece Mitchell has an OG username, Drip Coffee.

Josh: That's right. My friend had Aloha. Aloha. She sold it for, um, $5,000 and a surfboard, which is illegal.

Tommy: Yeah, well, you're into the terms and conditions, but there's a website, um, it's all a part of the dark web, OG usernames. And so anyway, this does this deep dive. I'm going to put it into, um, somewhere. I'll put into Discord. I just want to spread this. Um, what is it? Hang on, I gotta find it. We got sent it on the weekend. Was it from Ruru? No, it was from a guy who was just saying, um, you need to watch this. If you— it's all sort of relating to what happened to me. Fuck, I don't know where it is. Anyway, this girl got her Snapchat hacked, and then they— this— they investigated. They went down this rabbit hole, found like these young kids who are making shitloads of money hacking accounts, selling usernames on the dark web. Like, very smart. They had like a Discord where you make a Discord—

Josh: good on them— where, um, like, Patreon—

Tommy: they hacked Logan Paul's Twitter and then posted on the— posted on his Twitter the Discord username and said jump in. And there was like flooded with people. And it's just a really good rabbit hole of like how vulnerable you can be, like how they're doing these hacks.

Josh: How do we— So, I remember maybe a year and a half ago I went down that digital minimalism thing, you know, get— I talked about retiring from social media. Well, you just left. Is there— Is it a time to relook at all this stuff?

Tommy: Maybe a time to— I don't think it's— You don't need to necessarily get off, but if you're just on one platform, I don't even post that much on Instagram anymore. It's all helpful. I mean, it's all helpful for the show.

Josh: It's all helpful. I posted something yesterday about the— our first 2-star review.

Tommy: What time was this? Because it didn't make the list, but I feel like it was almost the catalyst for you starting to drink last night and also the list that came.

Josh: Well, it was also the last, um, so today, uh, being Monday in Victoria, like gyms and stuff are opening. So, it was a lot of people's last hurrah. Hurrah.

Tommy: But also, they've gone backwards in Victoria. They're not— So, they continue—

Josh: Back to 20 instead of 50 or whatever it was.

Tommy: Yeah, they were going to open a bunch more stuff up that were already open, but they're going to keep it at what it was and then open things like gyms. And so, I mean, it's interesting. You talked last week about like a second wave of coronavirus hitting. Which you can see why on the weekend there was so many people out. I got my haircut.

Josh: Looks great, by the way. Thanks, mate. Sideburns done well.

Tommy: Thanks, mate. Um, and on—

Josh: keep a lot of length on the top.

Tommy: Yeah, I asked him to because I thought it just, you know, goes back a bit. Otherwise I'm just back at, you know, grade 6 when I just had a few little spiky bits at the front, you know, gelled up. That looks great. Now just go a bit more fashionable. Um, so many people at. And I was like, no wonder, no wonder this shit's happening. Yeah. But you're, you're, you posted about a review. Would you say it's negative?

Josh: No. So this is what's hard. It was a nice review.

Tommy: It's 2 stars.

Josh: But this is the thing. I think that the thing that the message is fine. Everything is fine. I think that what annoys me is when people misuse the star system. I feel like based on that, that should have been a 4-star. Basically, you reckon? So read out the, read out the review. Okay.

Tommy: So this is from a username Alexandra K89. 2 stars. Good banter, but fatterphobic at times.

Josh: Fatphobic, isn't it?

Tommy: Or fatter? Sorry, fatphobic. I enjoy listening to the show and the Gronkh guests, but it's becoming increasingly apparent that the guys are fatphobic.

Josh: Was it Fat Fridays that didn't?

Tommy: And that's hurtful to listen to as a bigger person. Do you want to read? So yeah, I think you eloquently outlined your thinking here.

Josh: Now you're going to butcher it by reading. Absolutely.

Tommy: So Josh has said, because I can't be bothered talking about this on the show, I'll write it here.

Josh: That's what I said. That's what you said.

Tommy: Your experience versus the experience of others. I've spoken about my struggles with weight extensively on the daily talk show. When I was 12 years old, I was counting points with Weight Watchers. When I was 7 years old, I remember the shame of being on the classroom weight tree where our names were placed on the tree according to our weight. Yes, I have fatphobia. I've spent my whole life fretting my relationship with food. I am angry with myself and the weight I've gained during these past few months. Is it productive? No. Is it destructive? Probably. Will the feeling I have about myself trigger others? It seems so. If I've learned anything over the past few years, It's to listen, but I can't hold your shame when it comes to weight. I have enough of my own. There's a certain level of irony with this review. Over 20 years of worrying about my weight, and after 750 episodes, that's— that stands out to them.

Josh: Yeah, does that make sense? Like, I just feel like for me there's something ironic in how much I think and care about my weight and how much it's been part of my identity. And maybe I've projected, like, maybe through talking about it, or clearly I think that has then led to someone writing a review. I think that—

Tommy: of course, yeah. I mean, I think there's a— you are projecting what, what you're going through, and then people are reacting with a spin of what they're experiencing. So my, my reaction to your projection has been negative in the past. And I think I've had to do a piece of work around me empathising with you and, you know, your relationship with what's going on. And then me as a friend to you, how you feel. And at times I haven't had the patience or I haven't had the empathy to deal with it. And it's resulted in us having fights about it. And so it's like, that's one version. So then there's the other side of like, the empathetic in terms of someone being able to relate to the shame that you're feeling or experiencing, but then how they're reacting to someone else having a similar version of that reaction. So it's like exactly what you've said, right?

Josh: I think that part of it is what they're asking of me, because I understand, I empathize, and I understand, and I think that they're, um, they're right in what they're saying. I think that a review, like, I think that it would have been nice to, if you're a listener of the show, if you're a regular listener, if you've listened to the 600+ hours of podcasts that we've done. Those said gronk guests, which is very, you know, I just feel like just send an email, like, let's, let's have a conversation. Because I think that the, the calling it, like, labelling it and simplifying it, I think, is the, the annoying the annoying bit, because is it you're not listening now? Is that the— like, if—

Tommy: yeah, I mean, I mean, if you give me something, it's like—

Josh: but anyway, the, um— but can you—

Tommy: I mean, can you be fatphobic as somebody who's experienced it and still battles with it?

Josh: Well, I think that what they're asking from me, and maybe I'm wrong, but it's to reconcile the fatphobia that I have in. So, you know, what they're saying— and I saw a comment as well from someone saying, you know, how do you do it so you're not projecting that onto other people? Um, I think it's a hard one because like everyone's on their own journey. They're obviously potentially, uh, they're on a different path with a different sort of narrative they're focusing on. Like they've probably read the books, like, um, a friend of mine, Kylie, who brought up the fatphobia stuff before with me, and we've had conversations about it. She's like, here are some books on it. If you read— I'm sure if I read a bunch of books around fatphobia, um, there would be a greater sensitivity to everything that we talk about. So everything from, uh, how we talk about carbs, or you talking about grabbing your, um, your fat, or things like that. But I think that the other thing too is what we're doing is communicating our own experience. Um, and for me, if I'm being really honest, this is how deep-seated the whole thing is. It's like I worry that if I go down the route of giving it a label, if I say, oh yeah, it's fatphobia, I need to stop worrying about that stuff, that's the, the path of just not thinking about my health, not thinking about all that stuff. And I want it— I'm definitely going to enter in and learn more about this stuff. But I think as well, um, and I'm also wary of vanity versus health, uh, but I think it's important to, um— I need to reconcile it in my own time. I don't think that we can, uh, force that thing to happen. I think we can be more sensitive to it. I think we can do a better job of thinking about the people around us and think about, okay, how is this making them feel? But, um, uh, we, we're just a reflection of society. But if we've learned anything over the times with Black Lives Matter and all, so I think the system's fucked and there's a bunch of things, there's a bunch of unconscious bias or a bunch of things that we're wired to do or say that's not necessarily productive.

Tommy: I think you've done a great job of, uh, being honest with your experience with food and weight. And so then at that point, because I don't think you fat shame, you never— like, I think your sensitivity to, to it is one of personal experience. So I never have seen you, you know, say things directly.

Josh: Well, I think that we say— I think it's— it is the very small— like, that's that whole microaggression thing that people talk about. It's like the small things. So by us communicating or saying like, I don't want to eat too much, or like all of these things.

Tommy: That's a hate— like, hate itself isn't fatophobic necessarily, but I think that that's the whole—

Josh: all of this hate, like, if you look at hate in any realm, it normally comes back to the individual and how they see themselves. And so that's the fucked up bit about it all, is it's like everyone's looking at their own individual personal perspective. And I think that when people say negative stuff, it's actually saying more about how they're feeling and what they're doing rather than everyone else. And I guess the hard bit is that most people take it as if someone says something, they're like, to be honest, I don't— that's the fucked up thing. Like, I don't care. I've I've got friends all shapes and stuff. Like, I actually don't care what my friend— like, that's how much of— maybe I'm a complete narcissist, but I don't fucking care if you're fat. I don't really— I just don't want to be fat. Like that. Yeah, yeah. If anything, like, um, yeah, that's probably fatphobic.

Tommy: I was gonna like, um, yeah, but yeah, I mean, it's, it's— but then that's for yourself, not for other people. You just said it there, so we have to take what you say. And so if you're fat, fat phobic for yourself, then it's like saying that that is a negative thing. But you've outlined that, well, you need to have a version of focus on your situation because you're the only one in control of that. And so if your mind isn't focused on that, it could be out of control, which then the only person to fix it is you, and you're the one that's out of control. So then you're there is a spiral down there.

Josh: And so, I mean, I think you could draw parallels to what Shameless were talking about the other day around internal misogyny. So you can be a woman and you can be really— like, some of the most misogynistic ideas or thoughts can come from women as well, and what they think and communicate about the women around them. Does that make the misogyny right? No. It reflects the whole system and why that's all fucked up. And so that's where I think that the hard thing is. I agree with Alexandra and what she's saying. I think that, um, yeah, I think like what, what I've, what I've already said, you know, the shite, like it sits with, with me every single day. And so I think that I would be doing myself a disservice to, um, to try and fix it from an external thing because that's what this whole fucked up thing is like. I need to internally reconcile it and it's not going to like— maybe it will trigger— maybe this review will trigger that conversation, but it can't be the— I don't think it can be the catalyst for the— for it. Yeah, absolutely. It's anything else pissing you off? No, I mean, actually, actually, Sideburns, Harry Years, 97's Autoresponder. Yeah, definitely. No, just wait for the downloads. I did mention that I was going to bring up the Insta bio thing. So when are you getting it back then? I gotta—

Tommy: I'm just waiting. Mark should call me back in about 5. Zuckerberg. Nothing's happening. I mean, this is what you don't know. And then I feel uncomfortable following up Jules Lund, who has to follow up somebody else, or following up Rob, you know, like the person that we're on the email chain with. I, I think I will. I've got a bunch of other emails. I emailed like very high-up person at Facebook. Mark@facebook.com. No, no one. I mean, this is a bunch of people sent me email addresses, very straightforward. It's like their name and dot in the middle, plus it's just @fb.com. So you can find out. This is the thing then. I mean, this is the thing about like email addresses that they're very public. Like, it's not that you can give out like there's a hierarchy. It's like mobile number, do you want to give that randomly? Maybe, maybe not. Email address, yeah, whatever. You can just block them or send it to spam or delete it.

Josh: It'd be interesting being someone in the public eye and getting that amount of email. Well, Seth Godin, well, he writes back to everyone.

Tommy: It's pretty crazy. That is insane.

Josh: Um, if you've got any ideas of what you want to hear Like, given we're doing a week where it's mainly just you and I. Yeah, old school.

Tommy: I mean, the first how many episodes? 70? No, 50. As in no guests. No guests.

Josh: And then, um, Seb didn't come on until the 250. Yeah. Now look at him.

Tommy: That's pissing me off how happy he is.

Josh: Can we just talk about, um, very extremely happy for him. No, we're absolutely happy for him.

Tommy: He's got a week off, his annual leave. His girlfriend's moved. To the state and they're off down the coast. I mean, I'm looking at a photo of him in the car. Who dropped him off? Did you drop him off?

Josh: Yeah, we dropped him off.

Tommy: So you dropped him off to the airport. He's wearing a t-shirt. It's winter. And he had his—

Josh: So, yeah, I mean, you know that I like to overthink. And so just deconstructing everything, he gets into the car. Are you wearing aftershave? Yes. Borrowed it from his brother Sam. He's never— He never wears fucking aftershave. I'm like, so what happens? She likes the smell, then what? You're going to buy it. So there was that. Then I'm like, okay, you've got a t-shirt on and then you've got a puffer jacket. Yeah, there's no in-between.

Tommy: And so he's in your car in his t-shirt with his guns out, his best asset, his chest.

Josh: And he got flowers. No, it was very sweet. But he was like, he was, he was fired up. Was he? But it was like very happy. Yeah, but we were. I think that Bri and I drove him and we were all like, I was nervous for him at the end.

Tommy: I mean, I just, I looked at a photo of him standing there, which Grace posted, and it's him with the flowers. And I just, I felt the feeling of what he might have been feeling in that moment. I was like, oh, nervous thinking about going off to a first date. But this is wow. I mean, there's a lot of, lot of interest coming through on the post. It's very, very cute. People are right behind Seb and we are too.

Josh: Hopefully. I just hope he doesn't fuck up the relationship with Rod from Blairgowrie. He needs to post a lot. Does he? No. Well, he said, oh, like, Rod's so nice, he's so easy. But just make sure you overdeliver. Just post a bunch of photos. Did you see? Oh yeah, you saw on the Blairgowrie Beach House Instagram. Yeah. There was an Insta story. Yeah. And it was a shot of a beach. Yeah. And there was beautiful cursive writing like you would see in a wedding video. And it said, Grace and Mason, welcome. Welcome.

Tommy: I'll tell you what, we need, uh, the, the social media manager of the Blair Gowrie joint for us.

Josh: Now 97 is— is he doing that shit? Well, he didn't do that one. Oh, it's so cute. All right, it's, uh, the Daily Talk Show. If you haven't left a review yet, yeah, and you've got, uh, something nice and productive to say, we won't go into air if we get negative reviews.

Tommy: It's not—

Josh: well, that's what I was wary of, because when I saw it on Saturday, your heart went— well, no, I was just like, okay, here we go. This is like a growth opportunity. Like, I was sort of excited about it. I was like, this is a growth opportunity. Yeah. Um, Well, here we go. Did you, uh, Crystal says, did you guys teach Sev to under-promise and over-deliver? Absolutely, he 100% has to do that. He knows that, um, it's what we do, it's our ethos. Yeah. And, um, what was I just talking about?

Tommy: Just got distracted. Oh, the high-going Saturday.

Josh: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so trying to work out, it's like, okay, you get one bit of negative feedback, it's actually not that negative do I post about it? Do I not? Do I just be silent? Do I— and so I thought it was sitting with me. I mean, the thing is that you get that comment and you're also in the turmoil of like, fuck, I need like— all right, so I was really going deep into like my weight thing and stuff. And so I'm like, I just need fucking something to wear. I want to be able— like, part of it is it's just like you want to be able to put on fucking clothes that fit you. But then you have the fucked up thing is like you don't want to buy the clothes because you're like, I'm going to get back to the weight. And so I just got jeans. Bree did actually. She went to Cotton On, got these great 38, like I think, yeah, 38 waist, which is like very big, very fucking comfy as.

Tommy: Like buying jeans without you trying them on.

Josh: She fucking nailed it. Skinny leg. And so I feel comfortable. I feel comfortable now. Good. But, but having all of that happen. Yeah. And then being like, oh geez, I'm trying to fucking— I'm having a meltdown about having no clothes and trying to work out what to do with my bike. And then I've got someone yelling, you're fatphobic. I know. Anyway, the trigger—

Tommy: I thought that on triggering somebody.

Josh: And so, Alexandra, if you're listening, I completely understand what you're saying. And, um, I empathize. Like, I feel— like, I feel the same thing every— like, what she's experiencing, I completely get. Hopefully we can do a better job around it. But in saying that, I want to try and tell my unique storey and communicate that as well. Yeah, I think there's a lot of value in it.

Tommy: All right, uh, it's a daily talk show.

Josh: See you tomorrow, guys. Have a good one.

Tommy: See you guys. Happy Monday.