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It's the daily Talk Show Episode 738 Happy Saturday guys what's happening? What's going on? Thank you to the gronk live streamers who have been patiently waiting we're just doing a little bit of tech tech work troubleshooting. Yeah troubleshooting but it's all good. We're happy to be here on Saturday some some of us are flat. I George some of the some of us are fired up i Josh Janssen very fired up baby. Very, like I had a whole bunch of stuff I wanted to talk about and watch.

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Yeah, I did that.

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Come to Joshua King everyone if you like Josh Janssen, Australia

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there's a lot your beef in your beef in you're just a man of the law. What's happening. Okay, so where do we where should we start on my discord message from 230

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This morning Oh, yeah. Oh, they I guess they're there. So yeah, yeah, that was I mean, you to be writing your message at 230 is one thing.

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I mean, need to be up at 230 is exactly what I mean what, what happened at 2:30am and read your message. So

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what happened was at about, I don't know, like 1133 and I started to go to bed and there was a bunch of noise there was out and about, and we couldn't position where the noise was the way that our sort of apartment works. were sort of high up on the apartment, but you see, you can sort of see far out and when you hear noise, it could be coming from like another apartment block or like down at a pub or you never know. Yeah, and I remember as a kid hearing I went It was a windy night you could hear the local footy club that was miles away having a disco. So yeah, you're prime spot to just be confused. Definitely. And so I was trying like so.

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There was that bit of noise but like yeah, just close the close a window. That will be fine. Anyway, at 230

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or even probably two o'clock I woke up and they would there were people still going and it was very very loud I thought to be honest because there was also thumping upstairs and I have called triple zero before for the thumping upstairs because there was screaming going on from a woman. And I thought this sounds like a domestic thing called triple zero. She was downstairs crying. I checked on the intercom or whatever, like look on the intercom because you can see outside and saying that she was talking to the cops and visibly upset and so I was happy that I did something so she could be safe or you know, whatever. So I was hearing, I was hearing screaming and I was hearing banging upstairs so I thought this could be like a domestic thing again or

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What's going on like, Who's, who's banging it to aim? And I realised that the screaming with people, a couple of floors down having a party so I heard the noise. I was like, I think this is maybe Dan Murphy's, like, I thought people were at the ground of Dan Murphy's out the front and I couldn't see them because there's like a roof and I thought it was all echoing. And then I was inside

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a room, and I looked down, and I see a few heads of people sort of looking over the balcony out and like, there they are. That's the people making all of this noise.

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And so my heart started to race. My hands extremely clammy.

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But I got up

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and Bray said, What are you doing? I said, I was getting the megaphone.

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And so

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I went outside

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Because I worked out exactly where they were. I pointed the megaphone down. I had the volume

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on phone. Oh,

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and this is what I said pretty loud, awful. It's pretty fucking loud on the floor. Do you need to say the sponsor of your phone before you

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would have been visit? There was? I reckon there was 10 people on this balcony, right? Yeah. And so Bree, was this setting any law? That's Is that it? Oh, yeah. It was hard to tell how many because it was all sort of reverberating around things like that. And I come inside, and and

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so a guy when I sit down, he's like, no, we're here to party. Right.

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Then

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I go in and press like how did you hear what they said? Because

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was listening out through the window, which sort of you can sort of see the balcony stuff and that goes with that a mega five.

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trunk trunk.

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Who's gonna make it fine? And anyway, did that guy Yep, they all went inside and shut the fuck up. And it was the most exhilarating experience of my life. And I was like, then I didn't get it Shannon I didn't get any. This is how serious I was. It wasn't even for content. I didn't film it. But I did think I was gonna comment on

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I didn't put we've got a Facebook group for our building. I was gonna write I didn't I was gonna write

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one who, who was making all of that noise. And to whoever that guy with a megaphone is an absolute legend.

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Being the MC feel like potentially the look at my profile pic and be like, that's the megaphone. Definitely a megaphone guy. Yeah.

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All they have to do is look through a bit of content and then I'd say you are running through a PT session. Are you thinking about a just a quick mod for the megaphone? a GoPro mount with a GoPro that leaves on it when you are doing any of that shit, so you can have footage just click on book by going out there. P of POV POV well then I straightaway went down because we couldn't sleep we actually listen to BBC Four radio very good in the evenings like like wait brain I couldn't sleep until like 3am or listening to them doing so it was almost reminded me of Have you been paying attention and sort of like a news thing was very good. Yeah, highly recommended. But I was also so that was when you're gone.

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I was just

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I noticed I was googling megaphone laws, for instance. And I'm like, hey, like, what's the deal?

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Like, can I do this? Is this okay? But then I didn't find much on megaphone laws, but I did find like a megaphone website. So I started like looking at upgrades and thinking about like, wow, this is $299 ones, like really legit. And I don't understand the wattage I'm like, like this one that like, yeah, so one it's like oh, that's a 50 watt metal pack that's only 20 I need a 50. And so it must be the volume of the actual. Yeah, like the actual audio that comes out of it. We don't need any loud that thing is really loud. Really loud. And so I even but I was gonna say, yeah, gone. I was getting I was gonna say you're not it's not the I mean, that was 2:30am that you were blasting the megaphone. Yeah, but

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only maybe six hours later, you're blasting the megaphone on Instagram, via the form of comment on social Ginsburg's latest post. Yeah. Now we'll so I mean, I feel like I have to live

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Not Yeah, the thing is I was also sweating again. I actually no joke. I I did the comment and after clicking send on the comment, I put deodorant on. Like I was like, it was it was insane. Because like, not someone who comment on sheet but we were we did a pre record of jack posts podcast yesterday and this video actually came up he sort of set up what the video is. I got sent it a bunch of times I'm sure all you guys did too. And it was made by the IBC and I've got a bunch of celebrities who's on the iconic I don't even know I should Gunzburg is on there.

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A guy that was on master chef, a girl that was on offspring and about

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a fitzy chef Matt Moran's on their team Wipro? Yeah

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yeah, it was

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Yeah.

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I haven't seen in a while And so anyway, the the essence of the video is basically it's it's black and white and seems like they're talking about something serious. You know, don't do this, please, whatever you do don't it could be like a Polish man sort of video or like domestic violence? Oh,

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yeah, I have.

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And then at the end it says, Whatever you do, don't start a podcast in isolation. And then it's like, goes into the heart going hard on that. And jack Paris brought it up on the show yesterday and I hadn't spoken to you about it.

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And that's where I found out that you didn't feel the same way as the people who made it or some of the people that found it funny. So this is what the comment is all about. And so you know, I just read it because I think it sums it up really well. Okay, like I think it is. You sort of succinct it's a succinct version of what you've been thinking and so on. Atias post which is this video, you which are

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Added which before before you say the comment he had, when he wrote the the Instagram post, it says something along the lines of basically Twitter's a bunch of trolls. And maybe this video will get more love on here. And so yeah, I was like, I know how I feel about this. I'm gonna go on Twitter and I'm like, No, this is exactly what I was saying yesterday on Jack's podcast. And so that sort of gave me the, the energy to write this.

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Yeah, yeah. And so this is from your personal account. This is not from the daily talk show. I mean, nowadays, if any of us do anything, we we it's basically coming from the daily talk show and I'm happy to put my name behind this. You could have sent it from your daily talk show you think also from a brand value perspective, like I have. I was wondering, do I send this I'm like, hang on, if I'm willing to do if I'm willing to buy Australian podcast rancour.

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dot com. This is very aligned with that brand value. And so yes, to be honest at the end of this I'm just looking forward to what the domain is just

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calm but I

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should calm

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Okay, here it is here it is not wanting to comment. Sorry, I'm not want to comment and I understand the toxicity of Twitter. But I think this misses the mark. Having spoke having spoken to a bunch of people who have wanted to start podcasts, the biggest barrier is why should people listen to me or what will people say there's a suppressive quality to this style of joke in this video, which actually ends up impacting underrepresented voices. Everyone who wants to start a podcast should and that the hill imagines is that heat and just that just rising and because also

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thing is leave it open for like, hello. That's the look at the screen after the post, like we will get straight away refresh. Oh, because the thing is, I feel like he is a bit unlike me in regards to anything that is framed as a joke. I'm normally like, I would always prefer a joke over taking things seriously. But the framing of it. Yeah. And so I understand that, like,

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the sees irony, like, you're missing the point. This is irony. But at the same time, I'm like, he was Asha Ginsburg, once of one of the most sensitive snowflakes that there are. Not only in the world, in the world, but in the podcast. He does a 10 minute bit before every show about how he's feeling yet he has no sensitivity to how people might be perceiving this and so the frustration I have is

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It just felt very off brand for Asha for the guy who's all about like, mental health and all that sort of thing. bringing it down to make this is just a joke and you don't understand irony. I think I understand irony. Don't get me wrong. I understand completely How ironic it is. But it's not funny.

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Yeah. I know. It's great. I mean, he's response to you as Josh and that's the irony, I believe Exactly. Everyone who wants to start a podcast should do so. I think I think this is an issue with meme culture is like, people do jump on board, when everybody else might have a bit of a laugh, and then start sort of ripping into it. And so now I don't see the point. I just like that you feel something about this, two of the most sensitive men in Australia. Having a bit on Instagram. It's actually a beautiful thought to say. But the thing is that I just I also think that it just comes from

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You know not to make that that privilege thing and representation, but it does to me feel so much like that, which is

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the internal voice that everyone has. That's like, why should people listen to me? And the thing is, the people that can move past that are people like us. I wasn't writing it. For us. I'm writing it for all the people who are like, I'm thinking about starting one, I don't know, like, they Yeah, they would have gotten the fucking USB microphone and they're like, we're like, Who's gonna give me permission to do this. And I think that, especially with all those people, who,

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who were represented in that, they've all been picked, they've all and the thing is that you don't have to be picked anymore. The democratisation of media means anyone can pick, you know, pick up a microphone and create something. It doesn't mean the people need to listen to it. But I think that that's, it's like, super deep.

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Dangerous, super suppressive. And I just don't think that it's, I think that when he is a top podcast without actually having the proper message there and saying, hey, actually you should go and start a podcast and even elevating people and saying he's resources. This is how you do it. I think like it missed the mark. Well, I don't think Seth Godin would, I think you'd probably have a bit of a chuckle. But he's also the guy that says everybody should start a podcast. It is the blog of the modern day. It's it allows people to sort of exercise their thinking and and verbalise what's going on inside their head. So, no, I do I do. And so, I did go to his defence he wrote back and says, I want everyone to start a podcast and people DM me, obviously after they see it, because it got liked by a bunch of like, just industry people or people who are sort of in a similar position, and they're saying, hey, bit ironic when you've got a guy who

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Sponsored by rode, who is constantly saying, hey, start a podcast, you should start a podcast. And so I understand the irony in that. And I ended and so part of me empathises in this way, sit on the jack before he doubled down and put it on Twitter and put it on Instagram. The conversation we had is it's like

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I love Daniella, who have had on on the show. He produces a bunch of those ads for what's the ABC show called again, showed up

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at home alone to get at home alone together, which I love. Like I loved watching and watching.

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And so for me, it was just

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that it was taken out of context turned into that main. And then he was sort of spreading that without the context. But yeah, he did come up, come back and say, I want everyone to start like the irony is I want everyone to start it started podcast, but I just feel like there isn't enough comedic nuance to be anything more than that.

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negativity. And if anything, we know that George knows comedy. And he's yes in

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Georgia, but I missed the mark. Absolutely. Miss Donna, I hadn't actually thought about it too much like I watched it and I was like, I just sort of clicked, like, watched it and analyse it. I didn't think I didn't even know you commented, but now that you said that, like, you articulated that beautifully, like I can that's, that's bang on. When I watched it, I just didn't find it. Funny, really? Well, someone said it's like punching down and it does feel like that. It's like, it's sort of

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there. If you read the comments in the crystal likened it to, it's like, it's not about climbing up the ladder of reaching the roof and then pulling out the ladder behind you so no one else can get will follow you up and do what you did. Yeah. And that's I guess that's the whole the whole point of it. Is it some? Yeah, like I'm sorry, I was I was a bit annoyed about that. But I also understand that the

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I will say

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pushback on the cancelled culture shit too. But I just think like what like, I think that it would be a good opportunity for someone like Asha to actually use the platform to extend but like get more people doing it. I think if we think about the conversations that we're having affair, it's like are we've learned all this stuff? How can we share it? And it feels like that old school mentality of it's like, I've been picked. I've got like, somehow I've got something important to say, where it's like, if we know anything, it's all made up. We like just because we technically know how to do it doesn't mean that we have better things to say than someone down the road. And it's just through doing it every day. And the practice of speaking that you start to synthesise all that stuff. Yeah, and I think that is why the sensitivities that if you because it is something we're talking and thinking about a lot every day and it can't like, there is a reality that it could change your life. Like it's damaged. You know, as as

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trivialise they make it out like it doing it could change your life personally, like, financially whatever be as many elements that can shift. I mean look at the call her daddy girls. I changed their life. I still call her Daddy, can you explain to people what do you know about the call her Daddy? Daddy drama? What should we get? Because I know Georgia. We know anything about the SEO stuff. What do you know about call her daddy?

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I actually have no job me to make it up or because I actually don't know.

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He's good. He's good.

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You don't have to make it up. TJ What? What's your take? Like? What do you know so far from someone who has no idea about the show about Bastogne? Well, I just I seen them. I mean, they they're that big that their show kind of trickles into Australia. They're huge in the States. And I remember listening to one of their episodes and just thinking was interesting. What sponsors. They had

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It was like, Dick cream to stop you from jackeline it was like, I was like, well, this is blowing my mind What the fuck is this show about and that was about it. That was a years ago. And then recently, there's I mean, the New York Post writing about the controversy that's going on basically there. They went from signing a deal not having any audience building, you know, getting 75 grand a year, which is unbelievable. If you could sign a deal from the get go creating a podcast, to then the next year, it growing so much that they're on almost $500,000 a year each, which if they listened to OSHA's ad, they wouldn't have done it. I wouldn't be in this position. And then they were trying to leave the contract the deal that they were in now, you know, some shopping around and then it's politics and next minute there's legal battles, but it's it is one of the classic like online. Very, very

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Public versions of a modern day tussle you know, like it's the owner of the company that produces the podcast barstool sports,

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big, big business, the owners making videos, making podcasts releasing on their feed, and then they're doing YouTube talking about what's happened. I mean, it's very entertaining. I'm sure, it will do wonders if they can get themselves out of this and do the podcast again, show much publicity rights, so much publicity around them. My perspective has changed though. So when we first were talking because it's funny, the stuff that you can consume and how we can like we all love a good story. You hear the one side or whatever, and then you start to hear other perspectives. So there is that side, which is like the way that was communicated from a network perspective, was he his two people who didn't have any

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audience, they use the network like, through the network. They got all of this support. And it blew up. It did really well. Like they were a lot of times like the second podcast on Apple podcasts or doing something. Yeah, top charts. I think they were doing something like 2 million downloads an episode.

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So the interesting thing about it is, when we talk about it, we can say okay, $500,000 a year. That's ridiculous. That's a lot of money. If you if you are trying to get more than that you're being greedy, or that type of year.

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I heard that the bar store network barstool sports, we're making $100,000 an episode of off that show. So if you consider Okay, like if this is a weekly show, to say you do like, so if you did 40 episodes a year. That's $4 million in revenue.

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And so I do wonder how much

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have these conversations get lost because we look at the number and then we compare it to a healthcare worker or something. And we said, well, if you look at what a nurse gets paid, and then you look at what they're asking for this is ridiculous. But then the flip side is, if it's the industry standard, if they're making an organisation a fuck tonne of money, shouldn't they be?

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I can't say that word renumeration did for me, you know that? Yeah, from that success.

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Yeah, I mean, I think it's just

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it will be a great story by the end of it because their hearing was so it'll be great podcast in itself. Unless they listen to his advice. It won't be but it's Yeah, I mean it I think people love a bit of drama. And this is the drama in somewhere we sort of weird world that's, you know, weird bubble. It is

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Bubble. Do you want to talk about the podcast drama? We should we take care of it.

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It's blowing up. Capital chatting. Yeah. chatting about it in the comments. So about about Australia about Australia, America at the Australian. Yeah. So just out I'll just say it what I'll do is from my perspective, this isn't the opinion of the daily talk show was just Josh Janssen on his soapbox

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so I'm racist on the show might everyone goes down

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and I'm not racist. I'm just not gonna happen but

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yeah, so there is a podcast called outspoken.

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Which is funny I probably like the the hard thing is that these like talk it like the conversation that they've had is done exactly what they want to do, which is getting is listening to this stuff. But so the podcast was started. I'm gonna say like a year ago.

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With with twins and the craziness, and so it started between so it started with just the two so true. Two women from trip like but they're triplets. So it started with two of Yeah.

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Like media and comms people. They used to work at CHANNEL SEVEN, there was a unfair dismissal thing that happened. They talked about that a little bit. Anyway, when they launched, what grabbed my attention was a shameless have changed the colour of their,

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their artwork. And so if you type in outspoken podcast into Google, and you look at the first image on Google Images, you'll see some podcast artwork that you would think is the shameless podcast artwork.

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It's this isn't this isn't about

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this, I think it's important to say

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Right to two things, women as hosts of a podcast, versus the aesthetic of a podcast. And so if you look at the overall artwork, it's like, okay, there's a clear play here, too, whether it's to confuse the audience, or whether it's to,

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to say, to say,

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inspiration. So say if you're like, really early stages of doing something and you love the shameless, it's like, Okay, I'm going to do this.

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We're gonna start a podcast. Let's let's do something similar or aesthetically, like I couldn't believe I was watching Ben Shapiro's podcast and you see some of his

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podcast artwork, and you're like, Ah, there's similarities with the daily talk show or whatever. And he's, he was doing keys before us. And so it's like, there's only a certain amount of ways that you can do all this.

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This thing right anyway. Anyway, the

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the friction came when

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outspoken did an episode on their podcast, which was deconstructing shameless. And so that was saying, Michelle and Zahra went from deconstructing influences to becoming influences themselves. And so based on and so

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the comments on there is okay, it is a constructive piece of feedback. I don't know necessarily, how much of this. We need. I don't know how much like how much it actually brought things up. But they do a piece

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on their podcast, all about shameless sight, like bringing up their reviews and all that sort of thing.

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Jen de who we've had on our podcast before

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her I think like the outspoken confirmed and said that it was Jen day comment lifted review after that episode last week and said

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the this is basically an original and so outspoken talk that review screen grabbed it and put it up on their Instagram and then did a follow up 10 minute episode where they deconstructed Genevieve days comment and connected up with things like

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Miss so there's like a shameless to the whole thing around. I forgot the exact word like misogyny like um, within sort of women and how based on society women are, you know, tearing down women or that sort of thing

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where I feel conflicted

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Is that I felt that the the original outspoken piece is framed in a way that it's this

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journalistic

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piece that you know this this hidden piece isn't the right word, but it's this

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well researched piece that is the gold standard of like deconstructing this stuff whereas I feel the way that was the way that I perceived it listening to it was it was just a shit canning episode

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as an opportunity to gain listenership and so anyway I just find that so this is that's the whole drama that's been happening. I think that there's I heard from someone that it work I mean, well, yeah. So then so then he then had a cost though, so then people go on to shamelessly his reviews and leave one star reviews and say outspoken. did a great

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Right, pace about shameless. You've got to go listen to it like it answers all this garbage. Yeah. And so I just think do so if you were to build an audience off the back of speaking that way, is it really a win? like is that a community is that like, is that type of conversation is that way of winning? Really the type of community that you want at the end of the day?

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I don't know. If it necessarily would be what I'd want to do. I think it could be a version of people who build audiences off prank channels, and then try and do something purposeful, once they've built the audience. And the point being is that they've, it's a certain type of person watching, it could be a certain type of person that likes the drama and has jumped over and listened. And I'm sure they will find you know, some great people who enjoy what they're

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Producing but I think they will but yeah it I guess it's like what can you live with what are you okay with built

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in Joe Rogan so he's you YouTube channel with these green kind of like slime green sort of photos over his videos so the thumbnails Logan Paul does it all these other YouTubers do it no one gives a shit they're all big i think that that is where

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if you were if you're the bigger podcast or the bigger brand within that unless they fully ripping your you know your create like it

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unless a completely stealing something like a website or something I don't know maybe it's just worth just head down you're doing something right if people are copying you are doing something right which is one version, but no you're right that's a different conversation. The Do you want the

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audience that comes from doing something like what they have done, maybe not. And then using things like okay, the Melbourne click, though talking about the Melbourne click and describing names and things like that. I was like, how productive we got to mention is that Yeah, there we go daily.

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Not none in regards to the click, which was hurtful now, the

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I want, I'm pissed off that we don't need that, to be honest, I want it to be the closest The only reason I'm doing this is hopefully we get a deconstruction and this sort of lifts out dissection of the daily torture, you know, we get a bonus from from management. But the

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Yeah, I mean, I just don't, I think that like the empathy I have for them, is if they were willing to, if they were willing to do the artwork that they were to do at the start of their podcast, and they were able to do things like that, and also just completely rip certain elements of shameless and just enjoy

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With it, my feeling is that their level of self awareness isn't there. And so any of this criticism or feedback is going to be missed on them anyway, because so this is the so TJ brought up the shank the original shameless artwork. Yes, that's the shameless artwork. And then bear with me. This guy's is the outspoken outwork. Yeah, it's a much smaller photo. But that's both sponsored. Crazy. But, you know, I just saw both at the same time. I can do that too. That's how tech savvy I am. Put that it's very good. Then we just activate that one, bring it over here. And so I think that part of it is it slides down in

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good tech stuff, guys.

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That could be a thumbnail.

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Maybe we could do the daily talk. Should we do a new? Can you get that? That's when you go wild on that. Yeah.

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Didn't like part of it part of it that was

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I don't know whether this is right or wrong. I'm just I'm just saying how I feel today. And so I lean into it. Yeah. leaning into it. Yeah. I'm surprised it hasn't all been said through the microphone, the megaphone, my bed megaphone, megaphone surprised. It hasn't all come through the megaphone, the group not calling it by its proper name.

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So they did the post, which is like room for every space for everyone. And they put themselves in the middle. So I haven't listened to the episode. Did they? Did they address the the blight and rip off of the artwork? No, did they? I mean, they started that show with a whole piece on food hierarchies, which I mean, with Mr. Bruno up in Sydney has been doing the food hierarchy stuff for a while but also Michelle. He

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Yeah, the list King. Michelle from shameless was doing a bunch of that. But the I feel like

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like whether it's coming out from an awareness point of view or even just like when you listen to something and you just take ideas, I feel like they're potentially, they said they said outspoken. One of them at least said on their show that they're a massive fan of shameless. And I think that what could be helpful and this is something that I have done myself is just not consume stuff that's really similar to yours because it ends up whether you like it or not. You end up picking up ideas and doing things and you become sort of a bit homogenised. And it becomes Yeah, it's interesting. I own it, right. Like my early day videos are probably like Casey Neistat, because I've watched everything that he ever produced, and I needed something to go on. And so that's

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work very similar. Whether you did it or not, you're going to go well, we did that was very similar and we were fans of theirs. And that's a template that I can run with. And so what do I think that you can never copy people or at least use it as inspiration to start the wheels? Turning? I think you can do that. But you can't. You can't not own it. You can't not go as influenced. Oh, yeah. Hundred percent. And is that where I want to be in the future? No. But like, yeah, I guess it's

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when you come out and then point the finger. Yeah. But I guess where it gets tricky is what they do bring up which I think is a relevant point is just because they're women doing a pop culture show doesn't mean that they can be they can't be others. And I think that that's, that's an interesting area exploring Okay, like, there is spice for everyone in that regards. Like, just like it

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TJ, you and I were talking about

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Joe's who were, you know, during the Hamish and Andy times and being sort of compared to with Hamish and Andy, that would be hard, shameless, don't own the pop culture section of the market, but I think that it would be maybe a good idea just to provide something that's different. Like at the moment I feel like Michelle and Zara Telstra and outspoken or Optus and you know they're outspoken is the hungry Jack's Michelle and Zara McDonald's.

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And so like I guess that's like it. That's that's definitely strategy. And unfortunately, I feel like should that strategy. I mean, the way that you get there by, you know, talking about the other one. The hard thing is, it makes sense for Optus to slam Telstra, but doesn't make sense for Telstra to ever mention

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The doctors exists and so what we'll be interested in what happens Yeah, yeah sorry go shame will shameless shameless address it because I know that there's a part of me that would be like, fuck these guys like he's three trolls that don't know me who copied you know did something a year and a half after and then has the guts to or the bravado to do a whole deconstruction when they don't even know us I don't think the girls will I don't think that we're better yet but then Gen die with the gen die stuff her going out so Gen de shamela says manager I'm writing a review. I sort of understand if she would have been sweating and hydrating like uj jacket with the author saying that then so is there is you cannot pull you. If you do one you don't want to. You don't wanna put your name to in five minutes time. You can't be

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Review Can you I would have probably created 10 different accounts. Josh Janssen 613 I would have flooded it. After doing a panicking I would have created I would have used Oh, you went to the Apple Store, I would have created 10 different accounts. Josh Janssen spelt differently and then it's like which one's the real one? Like I've been like look at all these different accounts. But

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no, but I think that

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yeah, it is interesting what's like why is this an ISO thing is everyone fucking lost the plot because we're all in ISO.

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No, I think Michelle and czar successful and when anyone is successful, there's a lot of eyeballs on you and making a lot of judgments. I i empathise with what they're going through some comments in the you know the on their reviews and that aren't great and point out things but it's like, they're also fucking humans. Just giving you the red hot crack and battling with their own shit. So I don't know.

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I tend to I tend to not press send on things that I you know when I make the judgments and and usually it blows over but some people are trigger happy and shoots shoot from the hip. What's that conversation? like imagine I was thinking about it the conversation if we had a manager and they come in and bat for us however a week before we do a post about this exact thing and in the negative sort of repercussions of that type of content. It's different if you have got an Employee Self Georgie boy does it you know, you sit down you have a chat so sorry, Georgia boy. Hump Day replies been great but services and editing them they're gonna be disaster.

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Movie. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I could thought is what do you want to be known for? Because if the thing you do is successful, does

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Again, intention, what is it that you want to be known for? And if it I don't think most people would answer with, about sort of calling out somebody for something, you know, like as the main thing that you are known for. Yeah, I mean, the thing that lost it, like I,

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I went in with a preconceived idea on the outspoken one because they did a 10 minute bit beforehand about biscuit hierarchy. So they're saying, These are the best biscuits, and then they just randomly said that they wanted to land biscuits when they were kids. And so what sort of, that's gonna fuck you up? No biscuits as kittens. What sort of that sort of weed count was driving in? My my mom had a party for my brother when he was young. He's my eldest mom, if you're watching, I'm sorry for telling the story. But she had caribou cake. My brother has not forgiven my mother for that. Yes, that is very disruptive, distressing characters.

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Get a potty. Bloody fruit spread. No, no, no chocolate cake. No, no. I mean, I got every dessert. Every bloody ice cream cake in the sun. And I turned out horribly so I don't know. Yeah, I wonder how much I wonder how much of that them doing the podcast about shameless time from when our kids knocking biscuits, they could be a combination.

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And that's that's you Bryce odds.

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Yeah, I get it. I get it

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again anyway.

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What do you reckon the top biscuit is?

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Dude? I mean, as I get older, I just want something that is I mean, we're talking from a packet like it actually means loss of loss. I'm not really the one for everyone, but definitely not the way I like it because I get so many Yeah, that's why we're friends. Tim Tim Tams a grad.

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grad. It has to be doubled. They need to also code every team time they ever make moving forward. Yeah, why not?

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Standard isn't it? It's sort of standard. It's like Tim Tams. Yeah. It's like get less low in the packet. Is that true? Oh no, that's huge. I think you get like seven I didn't get

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home.

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I know that it right it was in my brain.

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equivalent of getting everyone in 11 it's the nine and 11 the difference I just got told in the packets just got

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like it Yeah, not everyone gets on the straw. Everyone has normal lot eyes. And then all of a sudden I put you back on wakelocks eyes. It's very it's

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watch. I mean, if what I was doing

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then it just just on the biscuit stuff. I will say it's quite vanilla but milk average a great

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Oh on its milk average biscuits.

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So I wanted to write it

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now.

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So yeah, they like they like oval shaped biscuit like, yeah. Yeah, it's because they use a mega sort of like the base of slices. They just did that basic that they used in baking in the base of slice baking. Yeah, like chocolate

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eggs or you know Nanana What's that thing? We can Blitz? sighs I think round finger now it's black. It's Brown. It's and then they make the boot cream already the cream cake thing was called.

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Oh, no. And then you soak them in orange juice. And you put cream on them Oreo, my brother. No, no. Chocolate. Chocolate rainbow cake. Thank you for that chocolate rainbow cake. You think you liked it as a kid you ask you miss out and make it for your birthday. And you feel sick by the second bite. That is legit. That is exact. My brother wanted one. He's walked by it for his birthday. We had it and we're all just like, I feel so good.

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And I don't remember this part from when I was a kid. What the fuck?

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Am I right that you can use it for Really? It's really good. Yeah.

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Anyway, I mean, I was just just quickly, just on my beard. I think I think I need a bit of help. To be honest. One thing that they can't take from us is it's

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prescribed testosterone boy. You're gone you can't do so this is day 10 this is this is Yeah, this is day 10 and I'm already sort of second guessing the decision to go for two months.

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I'm just, it's just, it's annoying. Like I'm in bed and I'm on my pillar and I'm getting like irritation here. Why don't you get

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too much?

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A silk pillow. But what's what's the tip is

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nothing about your pillow, saves saves. This is just

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Just be like, if you if you got your penis pierced, you'd have to sort of go through the time of getting adjustment. You know it feeling okay. Can't make a friend. Now I reckon there could be another week or two, that it will then you won't feel the same way. And it's and I get mine past a certain point and it doesn't eat anymore. And so like there is a point and i don't know maybe it's just all feeling new for you. But you need a push everybody push through. I saw you yesterday and you do appear sort of a no older like more mature it is working for you. I think he's working for it. Okay. Okay, so when he cleaned up for a second

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and that was great. If you haven't watched that video you should we put on YouTube. We need to put up all your past daily videos on YouTube as well.

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I tried. I tried to make them as sort of, you know, stand alone as possible. Yeah, I haven't been saying day one, day two, only a couple of them. But no, we

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We'll get them up but yesterday's video was the making of Georgia boys Hump Day replay. And

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as one of your friends Rob said, What have you done with George?

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Where is my Georgia cuz I don't know that guy. Yeah

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Freaky Friday the other day and it reminds me of like, there is something fun about playing a different character like Freaky Friday is a great example because it's like, they're literally changing

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like spots. I think it could be fun to do an epic like a Freaky Friday, TJ daily where I am in your body and you're in my body and so we're completely change everything that we could even do a whole episode and switch it around. Yeah. Hey, I hadn't come up with a name and I spoke on jack posts podcast about how as a kid I never named anything never named my pets had a pet snake. What was his name? Snake. I'd even say I just this is my pet snake. This is my pet.

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Visit some apple juice a little bit so I've got a name I don't need a fucking give it another, but it is, as you pointed out psychopathic Yeah, but I like TJ daily, TJ daily as as a brand as some kind of you can get the TJ daily TJ calm

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TJ daily calm and so that's that's the video content. It could be something else. I like it. Thanks, JJ. You just said that and it resonated. Good. Thank you. What did I say?

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TJ take credit for TJ dice. Oh good. Yeah. I think I said on the WhatsApp every time I had I had a coffee today and by the way, first coffee since I stopped. Hang on. How many days is that?

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I can nuke I made sure that I absolutely smashed that. No, it was like I did. over seven days. It could have been 10 days

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away.

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feel any headaches or anything? So, I'm thinking coffee on the weekends. And then that is good. I was doing that for ages. But I just

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if you don't have the rule, it's Matt de velas rule is, if you don't have it, it's easy. Just when I'm with you, JJ to go. Big baby. Don't have coffee. I'm getting one you're like, yeah, cuz it's just you just Yeah, yeah. And then

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you're having three a day. Yeah, having three day I'm fact. And so I've been getting a lot more hydrated, which is good. I think that that's uh oh. When did you have the coffee? Jesus Christ what what time did you have the coffee cuz I'm just checking Asha Ginsburg's wall. Is This Really?

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Sorry, it was.

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No, I had the coffee at like 10am 10am and when did you put up the post? I put up the post beforehand. I think that's why you got the coffee like I need to get out of here.

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Later NATO relationship is high going I need to get this

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listening to radio for at like, three in the morning. And we had the weirdest slate like we're just wide awake talking about like haha that's funny like so we're just talking like it's like middle of the day or whatever, and then woke up yeah.

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So yeah anyway, cool story any other news from you guys great I feel like I've just talked the whole time now I love my puffer jacket arrived did it occasion it? It's no

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no no Can you put it on first now? No so it's Patagonia it's black hat. Good brand good brand if you were to rip off one brand in in puffer jackets, it's Patagonia. They're doing something right out there. It's just awesome. You happy with the sizing?

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I think so potential like it's it's just I mean, what's it look at a puffer well taught off like Josh was quite a baggy one. And do you want it sort of like well, this is way too

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stylish. Oh, that's You look so good. This is definitely a little bit yeah, this is facial hair you look like a real bro look like a

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San Francisco Silicon Valley just Can you zip it up please? he's got he's got these nice sort of tight jeans on with these.

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Cross. What does it look like? Lacoste shoes lacrosse shoes All right, you're just heading to Mr. Miyagi dinner. Let's go go for a walk safe era. How do you want to judge?

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Right? Did you need to pop down to Kohl's local Yeah, I carry

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this one I get off what are you robbing? What do you take the hoodie off? Okay, well, the great thing about the hoodie is it zips into the back bit so you can have a like a high net. Just sipping it. Now you look like you're part of the Melbourne click anything

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You're part of the podcast milk. Cows click. Maybe it's just that everybody lives in Melbourne like there's a lot of people a lot of podcasters that live in Melbourne. Isn't that so funny? Because I just think of Melbourne. I think how pathetic. We I think there must be in Adelaide or something if anyone's saying Melbourne click, you've got to be coming from somewhere smaller, right? Like regionally, something like that.

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Like Yeah, I think that's what happens when you leave somebody like always looking to somewhere else. Like I happen to Sydney,

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Melbourne My mind was like, when I was joking the other day and I did the video of Melbourne like New York like that's, I feel like outspoken. Thinking like one day we're gonna go we're gonna go to Melbourne have meetings to

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chat to the Melbourne click. And then you know,

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one thing just on the US and and the scene over there podcasting, YouTube, whatever it be. The America is sorry.

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Big that loses a bit of that. I think like, I was blown away when I asked Matt D Avella and we bumped into Jesse who's a huge 10 million subscribers on YouTube and I was chatting to him and I referenced somebody else. And he's like, No idea. No idea who that person is. Like, they're over there. So it's everything is so much bigger. So there's, I don't know if there's less of it, but there's less like, it's less insular in some respects. I think.

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Like that. It's like, I think that it probably does become a little bit insular around like, think about Samsung and think about how many like that would just go around and sponsor every creator and so

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that YouTube click, that happens. I think in Melbourne, it's like how many how many people can go like if you're a PR person, and you're trying to fill the like a what's the what's the thing called a tent? What's the Melbourne Cup? What did they do the packing my

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cake

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We're gonna have

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how many machines can fit in?

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Yeah, you know what?

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video is the Australian actors click. Yeah. Very cliquey. I've never been part of a clique. Is this wrong squad away clicks anyway? Yeah, let's go. Click What? Yeah, let's go. Well, the thing is, I think that like part of it without like not to be, I think what they're saying is like not to be bitchy, or you know, but like, it's a clear winner, but I just feel like it's like, all of you using the phrase a click is turning it into like, is putting a judgement on the group, which is like, it's also strange because like, I had Sarah Holloway on the podcast. And now they're like, in our fields, like from an awareness perspective. I feel like if you are going to be critical, and this is the problem that shameless have if you're gonna be critical about people, don't expect for them to ever fucking Come on your podcast and so

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Yeah, whenever we're like doing that, it's like you've got to accept that so it's it's quite weird in that regard. Yeah, yeah, it's a fast way to awareness is being unaware on a public level because people will call it out if it is, you know, it's anyway. Alright guys sibs is looking good.

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I'm walking. I'm gonna go hang out have said over George. I

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really

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love you. Thank you for sticking in there. And the plant that was right behind it, and I feel like that Yeah. did a great job. Yeah, dress headset design. It's beautiful. Yeah, that's great. Yeah. Awesome. All right.

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Hey guys have a good one.