Best Of 700 Episodes: Day 1

Josh: The Daily Talk Show.

George: It's The Daily Talk Show, and it is Georgie Boy's highlights. I'm Georgie Boy. Josh isn't here to do the normal intro. Tommy's not here to say, "What's happening, guys? What's going on?" Mr. 97's not here to Google stuff. He's probably off FaceTiming Grace right now. No, the boys are actually having a little bit of a sleep because we just finished our 24-hour livestream to celebrate 700 episodes. And now I'm in charge, and I've put together some of my highlights of the last 700 shows. Um, there's some really great conversations in there with creative people, businessmen and women around the world. Um, there's some funny episodes that stood out to me as a listener in the early days. Um, and most importantly, I think it's just a look back at how the show has evolved The work ethic that the boys have in consistently showing up every single day to do the show and learn from people that they chat to. I think that's pretty much what the show is all about. If you've listened before, you know that consistency and growth and constantly learning is basically what this show is all about. So it's good to just have a look back at some of the old old bits that you may not have heard. So anyway, I guess we'll just get into it. The first bit that I want to throw back to was from episode 190. This is back when it was audio only, and it's with an interview with their guru Seth Godin. If you ask those boys, "What's been your highlight over the last couple of years?" they'll both go back to this day. This is like You know, Seth Godin to them is probably like Ryan Shelton to me. They just bloody love him and they look up to him. And so to set the scene, they're in New York City in Seth's office. Josh had been travelling and he'd come to the end of his travels. Tommy had flown over to meet him and they had this chat. And it's actually the only episode out of 700 where they didn't have to put the little explicit symbol next to the show because there was no swearing, which is great. So anyway, I thought I'd start with this one because over the next couple of days in these highlights, Seth's name will be mentioned around 400 times because they just love him so much. So let's start with that one. Episode 190 with Seth Godin.

Tommy: Josh and I talk a lot about volume of ideas, and you've got no shortage. Do you find that when there's a volume of ideas, is there a point at some of them which you go, I'm going to hold off on that because it's not there yet. Or with the volume, you say, I need to get this out the door.

Seth: Okay. So the purpose of— first of all, I think everyone has a volume of ideas. I have never met anyone who actually had nothing to say. I've met lots of people who are afraid to say something, but no one gets talker's block. Yeah, right.

Josh: Your April Fools, by the way, really got me because I got so— so Seth did a post saying he'd run out of ideas and I thought, I felt so good about it. I was like, you know what? I feel like I finally, I don't feel like a complete schmuck. And I read at the end, it's an April Fool's joke. And I was the ultimate schmuck.

Seth: I gotta tell you that 50 people used that post as an opportunity to do something that they thought was really generous, but was actually a commentary about them and their—

Jay: Yeah.

Seth: The way you just honestly talked about it, which is they sent me these notes. Oh, have you thought about this? I feel so badly. I know what it's like to wrestle with writer's block. And they were, it was schadenfreude. They were thrilled that I was out of ideas.

Josh: People want to be around, like misery likes company, right? Exactly.

Seth: And then they were heartbroken when I pointed out, no, no, no. So anyway, I don't think that people have a shortage of ideas. I do believe that for me anyway, the blog serves a huge purpose, which is if I had to wait a year between books and that was it, there would definitely be constipation of where do I put this idea and it's gonna blow up until I get the next one. So I know that 365 days a year I get to take something that was worthy of 7 paragraphs but not worthy of a book, of a year of my life, and say to people, have you thought about this? And, um, there are at least 100 posts that are currently in gestation where they're not ready to be on the blog, but they're written down so I can make them better. Because if I don't do that— this happens to me almost every day— I'll be in the shower, oh, that is a great blog post, and then I'll get out of the shower and go, I have no idea what it was, it's gone. And of course it's the perfect one because it's gone. Now that it's gone, it's like, oh, I can't believe that was the best post ever.

Tommy: Alibaba, there's probably some sort of shower notepad that you can buy.

Josh: Do you find that people get obsessed about the rituals that people have? Like, I know that when you talk about what you have for breakfast, I heard on it, I think it was on Being, Krista Tippett, you were telling what you have for breakfast and I got so excited by just the way that you described it. What do you think, why is there an obsession for just across the board? It's like, what are your daily rituals? What are your habits? What do you eat?

Seth: Exactly. So this is, I have a riff on this in Your Turn, and basically it's about people asking Stephen King what kind of pencil he uses, as if knowing what— then they actually do this— as if knowing what kind of pencil Stephen King uses will make you a better writer.

George: Yeah.

Seth: And so I— Krista's a dear friend, so it was fun to riff on that, but I almost never fall into that trap because I don't want to indulge people in thinking it has anything to do with, you know, superstitions or tools or things like this, because it doesn't. Like, yeah, if you're a graphic designer and you move from freehand to Photoshop, it will change things for you. I get that. But Milton Glaser became Milton Glaser with a pen.

Josh: Yeah.

Seth: So don't get hung up on, I have to do it the way that person—

Josh: adding apricots to your breakfast or something.

Seth: That's just—

Tommy: so I should stop eating the oats and plums?

Hamish: Exactly.

Josh: Yeah, because one, like, I was thinking about placebo effect. You know, you're talking about placebo effect a lot. Isn't there something potentially in— oh, you're Stephen King's pen and it's going to help me write better?

Seth: I, you know, a friend of mine was taking the SAT and, uh, there was a guy who sort of as a joke became the world's greatest pencil sharpener. And for $50, he would give you a custom sharpened pencil in this beautiful presentation case that would like have been sharpened to a micrometre for each purpose. And so I hand this to my friend the day before the SAT. This is— and it's huge. I just don't want to be in that business. Yeah, I totally get placebos are huge in that setting, but as soon as I go down that path, then I'm a faith healer, and I— that's not my approach. My approach is to, to try to approach it more strategically and less with the fairy dust.

Tommy: When it comes to, um, putting the value on yourself, I've had my own business for the majority of my working life, and I've always kind of, you know, um, set the point of which I think I'm worth, started charging that, and then thought, hang on, I could be making more money. And I'm not there internally feeling that I'm of that value, right? But then somehow I stumble and I get the value, and then I'm like, I'm worth it. How does people who are running their own business, right?

Seth: It's a great question.

Tommy: Get to that sort of feeling inside. And do you even need to have that feeling?

Seth: Okay, so first of all, price and value are totally different things, and you have to decode that if you're going to be the person who's charging for your work. What you would pay you to do it is different than what someone else would pay you.

Tommy: I'll do it for free, right?

Seth: And so We begin with price is a service, and it's a service that helps the client identify what kind of promise are you making. And so, you know, in, in India, uh, there's an eye hospital that will— that has saved the eyesight of more people than the sum populations of Chicago, Los Angeles, and Detroit put together. And they will do cataract surgery on you for $115. Or free if you don't want to pay. And the message of their pricing says to people in India, you can afford this, you don't have to be blind, right? So there's an absolute value of what's going on. But not 20 blocks from there, if you're a wealthy person living in India, you can buy an Hermès bag for $10,000. Is it worth it? Well, I'm not sure it's worth— what is that, 100 times as much as getting your eyesight back? How could it be, right? But if you have your eyesight and you're rich, the Hermès bag is worth way more than $10,000 because it sends a message to your friends and your family and everyone else that you're the kind of person that could have a $10,000 bag. And so Hermès is not stealing from people. They're saying, if you want to buy this symbol This is what the symbol costs. If it's not worth it to you, don't buy it, right? So when we think about, for example, those firms that do naming— when NBC wants to change its logo, they pay $100,000 to one of those firms. Turns out they got a logo that someone down the street would have built for $200,000. So were they ripped off? I don't think so, because what they got for $100,000 was all the meetings, was the fancy office, was the ability to tell their boss to hire the top of the field, blah blah blah blah blah. That's what you sell. So I don't think it's, am I worth it? It's, is my storey coherent and am I making a promise I can keep? And the last thing I'll say about this is, if you're a freelancer, the only way to, to do better is not to work more hours, because you can't work more hours. It's not to hire people to do your work because they're not going to be as good as you. It's to get better clients. Freelancers with better clients charge those clients more. Those clients demand more from them, are more likely to say yes to good work, which helps them get even better clients. So the way you get better clients is by charging more, not by charging less.

George: The next episode I want to throw back to is number 206, and I love this one. The boys had just returned from overseas and they were starting to go into business together with their new company, Big Media Company. And they've written out a set of values. I love these values. I think they're not only super reflective of the production company that they run, but they're really reflective of the show and them as people. Once you listen to any other episode with these values in the back of your mind, it all makes sense. This is what they live by, and I think they're great. Before that, though, there's a kid in the office called Mason who they're trying to come up with a nickname for. So here we go, 206.

Tommy: Last Friday we had young Mason on the show who helps out around the Big Media Company halls, otherwise known as the main room, the one room.

Tommy: The one room.

Josh: The one room.

Tommy: Yeah, he helps around. Look, yeah, he's here. He just does stuff. And you wanted to throw him a nickname.

Josh: Yeah, there was a few that came up on our Reddit page, including Mayo. Mason, can you come here for a second? Just— Mason's working today, so he doesn't really, uh, he doesn't have a mic. But can you explain why we— why was your nickname Mayo as a kid?

Mason: Uh, I used it, I used it for a Minecraft username. It was, it was back in, back in, back in primary school.

Josh: So what, 2017?

Mason: Yeah, no, um, it was one of those auto-generated usernames for Minecraft, you know, when you register. Mayo23.

Tommy: So, God, it's a pull from his nerd days. Mayo, let me just tell you about what Mason once told me. He said, I was at my mate's place over the weekend and we're all hanging out. It got— it was pretty late, and, uh, yeah, me and my mates all decided to do our tax returns. That's what he does for fun. That's the kind of kid we've got in our studio.

Mason: It was 3 AM tax returns.

Tommy: Yeah, mate, no better time to do your tax return.

Josh: But what, what was this the moment that you thought, oh, we should do our tax? Did, did your mate work out a hashtag scheme to be, you know, like a tax avoidance? But was there— what was the— do you remember the actual reason why you decided to do it?

Mason: No, not really.

Tommy: It was sort of just, sort of just happened.

Mason: It's not a bit of work and then it just—

Tommy: well, he doesn't drink or smoke weed. Yeah, so it's neither of those two. So he's—

Josh: I mean, I would— if it was 3 AM, the only difference between Mason and I is that I would have been in bed, so I would have never gotten to it. But okay, so if you had to choose between, uh, the nicknames Mr. 97, which is referring to your Enterscore, which is 97 better than Tommy, yeah, and brings our entire score to around 140. So Are you happy with, uh, Mr. 97 or Mayo?

Mason: Mr. 97, let's go with that.

Josh: Yeah, there we go. I think, fuck it, like, what else are you going to use your underscore for? Yeah, it's— this is perfect. All right, well, so Mason's helping us at the moment with the Facebook pixel.

Tommy: Mr. 97.

Josh: But, um, can I just quickly mention the big media company showreel?

Tommy: Yeah, go for it.

Josh: Um, I guess I asked, uh, no, so we've been— no, today we've been working on So yesterday we spent all day getting, consolidating all of our footage.

Tommy: Yeah, we did. And one of our new principles of our company value is the little things matter.

Josh: Little things matter. Should I go? Have we actually read out them?

Tommy: No, we should. So, so here's the hard thing, right? We've been working on such little things over the last week or so, which I think you can get the feeling that you're not gaining progress, you know?

Josh: I like how you said progress.

Tommy: Progress.

Josh: It's sort of a bit Adelaidean. Thank you, Mason.

Tommy: Is that a thing?

Josh: I think so.

Tommy: Mason's just— Mr. 97's just walked out with our values.

Josh: I appreciate it.

Tommy: On a piece of paper.

Josh: It's currently on just a piece of paper here.

Tommy: Yeah, but don't you agree, like, you can feel like you're not making progress moving forward, like you're not moving forward when you are doing little things, but I think because they feel like such little tasks.

Josh: But from little things, big things grow.

Tommy: No, but that's what— I'll let you read the values.

Josh: So the values we have: celebrate others. So I'll read them all and then we can talk to each point.

Tommy: Yeah, I like this.

Josh: So this is the Big Media Company values: celebrate others, small things matter, learn through action, the big picture, lead the way.

Tommy: Yeah, I just want to say around coming up with values for business. I had this discussion with Jules Lund because it is something that people like Jack Delosa, the entrepreneur, pushes, uh, you know, his people, his people that come through his entrepreneur school, to really hone in on and focus. And I remember talking to Jules Lund about this in the early days of TRIBE when you haven't— so you're sort of manufacturing these this set of almost rules or beliefs before you've got into the nitty-gritty of the business and really worked out stuff. And for Jules, it was really coming from doing radio into starting this new tech company, hiring a CEO. Whereas I've felt in the past with my businesses that I've had multiple of and haven't seen through, or they've led me to where I am now, whichever way you want to look at it, I've never been able to really hold and lock on to some values because it's probably— I've been it's been a requirement of doing the business after business after business to sort of gain this understanding or perspective of where I want to be, where I am and where I wanna be and what I'm holding true to. And we did this in half a day where we sort of—

Josh: Which is solid like piece of time. Like we would've spent 4 hours of just, you know, deconstructing problems that we've had previously and basically throwing problems at our values.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: Or throwing problems and saying, how would we, how could we actually fix this and get the outcome that we would want through having a set of values that would filter it through?

Tommy: And how would they apply to actions that we need to take and what we're doing with our business? And I did find it much, and so my thought was around the, you know, trying to do this straight out of high school with some new business you've got, it is hard because you haven't waded through all this, like you haven't had the hiccups, the mistakes, the learnings yet.

Josh: I think like the analogy that I think about within a business is if you think about a business as a kid, it's like an actual being, it's a baby. And so if it's your first business, creating a set of values is hypothesising with your partner before your kid's born about how you're gonna raise a kid. Yeah, right. And so you have these perfect case scenarios, everything is filtered through the perfect case scenario.

Josh: Yeah.

Josh: And where I think values actually become— Mason, you can just mute that, that's just Bree trying to call me. I've got it set up on my new computer so every fucking device rings. Yeah. Anyway, but so if you think about the what we're doing, we've actually had a couple of kids by now, right? We've— and we've seen them through a decent chunk of their life, and we know where we've gotten things wrong, things that have— we've had conversations with the school about their behavior. We've done all of that. And what it means is that you can move forward on some things, but you can also work out what values I think are important.

George: This next episode is so, so funny. It's number 380, and this is where Josh's catchphrase of "put it in the calendar" started. It's July 1st, and there's lots of announcements going on today. Josh has his own announcement, which Tommy will talk about at the start, but more importantly, 3DDILL has his own announcement that just completely overshadows Josh's and makes it look so shit. The fact that 3D Dill, an intern for the show for 4 months, has managed to pull this off is just incredible. And this is such, such a good app. So I hope you enjoy this one. 380.

Josh: The main priority for me over the weekend was to fulfil this promise.

Tommy: Fulfill the promise that was made last November, I think it was. And the due date has been getting pushed back and June 30 was the day. That we were going to smash out the last bit for a hopeful delivery of the Seth Godin handwritten book by July 1st.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Welcome to July 1st, boys.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Clap it all in.

Tommy: Clap it in.

Josh: But the, what was interesting was I made the, I think it was about a month and a half ago that I said July 1st, I'm putting it in the calendar.

Tommy: Was it the end of financial year that made it feel nice? Like You know, a lot of us like to set goals and with the start date January 1st.

Josh: No, it's— well, I think it was because, well, this is what I had in my head.

Tommy: Yeah.

Mason: July 1st.

Josh: Multi-camera switching.

Tommy: Yeah.

Seth: Okay.

Josh: New, new motion graphics intro.

Tommy: Yeah. The moon in full rotation.

Tommy: The web.

Josh: Our new website launched.

Tommy: Right.

Josh: And here we are.

Tommy: Mr. 97 married.

Josh: Yeah.

K: I was dreaming.

Josh: I was dreaming big, apparently. But And everything— the thing is that we put— the thing that I've learned is you put in a date.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And then whilst you might not meet the date, and that's not me saying that I haven't met the date, but it sort of propels you.

Josh: Yeah.

Josh: From a motivational point of view.

Tommy: Oh, I know what you mean. So there's a few things we will find out on today's episode of The Daily Talk Show. Has Josh completed the Seth Godin "This Is Marketing" book handwritten. And we will also find out today what 3D Deals' announcement is.

Josh: So that's what I was going to mention. When I said about this July 1st, a lot of things happening, 3D Deals started what could only be described as a campaign leading up to—

Tommy: One of the greatest marketing campaigns for an announcement.

Josh: He should be writing "This Is Marketing." Oh my God, he's gonna rip off his face 3D Dill. Yeah, it's July 1st. It is indeed, uh, 2019. It's 4:17 PM here in Melbourne, Australia. Uh, what is your announcement?

Mason: Well, first off, happy Canada Day to people listening in Canada.

Josh: Great, thank you, thank you, thank you.

Mason: You're welcome. And also, it was my parents' 23rd wedding anniversary on June 29th. So you mentioning the anniversary thing, Tommy, that got me onto it. So yeah, props to my parents because they're part of the reason that I'm here.

Tommy: Is he doing NLP on us?

Mason: I'd also like to thank my, my producer and everyone else. No, this, this all started— I actually, I unintentionally teased this way back in March when we FaceTimed for the first time on episode 307.

Tommy: What'd you say?

Mason: And I said, well, that's going to be the announcement, I think, isn't it? No. Okay, you gotta let me finish.

Josh: Okay.

Seth: All right.

Mason: So it was all in the conversation we were having. You guys were talking about like, what do you want to do when you get down here? What's— what do you want to learn, etc., etc. And I had this idea of like, I want to make some kind of a short film or like 20 to 30 minute process video of how I came from being this college student to now moving to Australia for 4 months. And that kind of, the vision of that kind of died for me.

Josh: As in when you arrived here or?

Tommy: No, but his fingers nearly fell off.

Mason: But, uh, no, it just, the video aspect of it didn't feel the right way for me to tell that story.

Tommy: Mm-hmm.

Mason: So if we go back to June 13th, 12 hours before I cut my thumb off and I made those, um, Instagram stories.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: What were the Instagram stories? Oh, you took—

Tommy: you remember he was walking through—

Mason: I was walking through one of the parks, um, after going to a—

Josh: oh yeah, so that was the day after is when you cut your thumb?

Mason: Yeah, literally 12 hours later.

George: Okay.

Josh: And, uh, if that's an excuse for why the announcement's not happening, I'm gonna be spewing.

Mason: Oh no, no, no, no. All right, I'm building it up a bit.

George: Okay.

Mason: And Queen Gronkh, you were lying in bed, Josh, and you saw my Instagram posts, right? And you posted a cute little smug mugshot of yourself saying, "In bed wondering what 3DDILL is going to announce on July 1st." Yeah.

Josh: Yeah.

Mason: You remember that?

L: Yeah.

Josh: I think even Tommy maybe.

Tommy: Yeah, I did a response to you.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: There's something quite chilling about the way 3D Dwarves doing this. It feels like he's—

Tommy: Mason's body language is kind of—

Josh: Yeah, closed off. I just saw Mr. 97 look at the door, the exit sign.

Mason: Okay, and, um, Queen Gronkh, Gemma Watts, at 10:13 PM, almost a full 12 hours before I actually cut my thumb off, messages you and says, maybe he's written a book. ... To which you replied with some weird stupid emoji, "If he's beaten me to the punch..." And I don't remember what happened after that because I screenshotted it because I was like, wow, the post has been up for 13 minutes.

Josh: Yeah.

Mason: And Gemma got it right, right off the bat. So I took my idea to do a short-form process video of how I came from being this college student living in a basement to living in Australia.

K: Mm-hmm.

Mason: And actually wrote a book about it in a month and a half. And I would also like to point out that I wrote half of it. I wrote about 25,000 words with a fucked up thumb.

Josh: When are you doing it? You're doing this in the evenings?

Mason: I do it in the evenings, in my spare time.

Tommy: Let me read between the lines. You're releasing an ebook.

Mason: I'm releasing— it's going to be an ebook, a physical book, and an audiobook. So on August 1st— August 2nd, sorry, because that's a Friday.

Josh: It sounds like he's doing what I did. Don't do what I did.

Mason: August 2nd, the print and audiobook will be available on Amazon, and about 2 weeks after that date, it'll be available on iTunes. And near the end of August, what's the code? It's called I'm Still Figuring It Out by Dylan Torrivel.

Tommy: That's the name of it?

Mason: That's the name of it.

Josh: This is outrageous.

Mason: The best part is that it's all original. I didn't have to copy it off of anything.

Josh: Can we see some form of proof of the 35,000? Can we turn to it?

Tommy: He's pulled out his bag.

Mason: Mason actually drove me to Officeworks to pick up the manuscript and didn't even realise it.

Tommy: Mason doesn't drive.

Mason: Oh, but he did.

Mason: No, well, learning.

Tommy: Who was driving?

Mason: I was driving.

Josh: I was driving.

Mason: And my mom was in the front seat.

Tommy: She's fucking kidding me.

Josh: You gotta be kidding me. He's actually—

Tommy: Jesus, it's very heavy.

Josh: Can I— all right, this is—

Tommy: oh, look at that, he's even gone through and done.

Mason: So I'm in the process of editing it right now. How? Just one-handed with my left hand.

Josh: Josh, the binding. He's phenomenal.

Tommy: This is everything you could have done. This could be— he's stolen your announcement. He legit has taken—

Josh: I'm so impressed. Very impressive. I mean, you've told your, um, your college tutors that you were unable to, um, get the— you're meant to be working on something else for school.

Mason: An essay.

Josh: Was it an essay?

Mason: Yeah, I'm supposed to be doing like a 10-page essay.

Tommy: How many pages?

Mason: Uh, it's about 140 at the moment.

Tommy: Jeez. Uh, do we get a mention?

Mason: You will.

Tommy: What, we haven't yet?

Josh: Do you want me to—

Mason: no, no, you guys are in there 100%.

Josh: Do you want me to, um, do you want me to read a random bit? Do you want to read it? I think it should be in your voice.

Mason: Yeah, I can.

Josh: Okay. There you go.

George: You keep talking.

Josh: It is so impressive.

Hamish: Voiceover work.

Josh: So you've got to look at the, um, the YouTube video because it's The thickness. I mean, you're using double spacing, as you should with a printed manuscript. Yeah, I know you're speaking to a fucking— I rewrite books, Phil.

Mason: Yes, I, I just write.

Josh: All right, okay, all right, I write them, you can rewrite them. Okay, great, I'll rewrite.

Hamish: Here we go.

Mason: You can rewrite mine.

Josh: Okay, here we go.

Mason: Um, I'm still just— I'm trying to find, um one of my favourite parts about it.

Josh: So how did you organize— like, how did you, uh, plan what you were gonna write?

Mason: I wrote it down like the second day I was here.

Josh: Okay, great. Remember when I went to Oxford? Oh yeah, that's right.

Mason: The, uh, the yellow pads.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, that's what you've been using.

Tommy: God, he's a man just with a meticulous plan.

Mason: Yep.

Josh: How is this—

Mason: how is this going on Amazon? Can you just—

Mason: can anyone just upload Amazon self-publishing.

Hamish: Oh, great.

Mason: So I'm doing it indie publishing because I want to retain ownership of rights.

Josh: Penguin hasn't picked it up yet.

Mason: Not yet. Not yet.

Tommy: Um, Wiley made an offer.

Josh: This is crazy. This is awesome.

Tommy: All right.

Josh: So can you read us a bit in your voice over her voice, please?

Tommy: Yeah.

Seth: All right.

Mason: When I was a kid, I used to say I wanted to be an engineer. A scientist or a journalist just because the words were easy and they were there. I still don't think about what I'm going to do with the rest of my life.

Josh: This is— it's so— it is so good. It explains the Instagram captions as well. It's got a certain flow to it. It's, it's quite inspirational.

Tommy: Keep going.

Mason: Tomorrow will come eventually. I'll figure it out when it gets here. What I focus on instead is what I love doing. That's all we get for now.

Josh: What are you gonna do for a, for a cover?

Mason: I've already designed it.

K: Have you?

Mason: All right, it'll go up on the storey later tonight.

Tommy: He's not here to fuck spot.

Josh: No, it is, it is impressive.

Tommy: It's, mate, it is very impressive.

Mason: Let's click it in.

Tommy: Let's clap that in.

George: Now I want to go back to episode 159, which was actually pre-recorded before Josh went on his overseas trip., and it's with their good friend, Jules Lund, and he has some great advice when it comes to business. They basically give him the idea of their production company, big media company that they're going to start when Josh returns from his trip. And it's just super interesting to hear them talk about their vision for the show and how it's going to evolve over the next few years. So, here we go. This is 159 with Jules Lund.

Josh: So, Tommy and my new business is called Big Media Company.

Tommy: I haven't even told you about this stuff, have I, Jules? I should have consulted with you first.

Jay: I didn't invest in your last one.

George: Nor did I.

Josh: So we're going into business together, but it's Big Media Company. We've got the domain, you know I get off on domain names.

Jay: Yeah, I mean, I do too. I've got thousands of dollars worth. I need an intervention on my—

Josh: Look at this, bigmediacompany.com. We've got Big Media Company Proprietary Limited, we've got Big Media Company on Instagram, on Twitter.

George: It's amazing.

Josh: Anyway, so the idea— we haven't started trading yet, so we haven't, we haven't, we've, we registered, we've got the entity, we don't start trading until I get home. But essentially the, the awesome thing that we've been talking about is having, you know, people talk about scale, it's funny what people default to, it's the scale of how many square meterage you've got or how many employees, how many employees. But what we're talking about is big impact, you know, big scale in that regard, but actually a small team. So you think about the Louis Theroux, the, the Michael, you know, the Michael Moores, all of the— there's— and even within radio, if you actually take the core team, yeah, yeah, you're talking fuck all people.

Tommy: Nimble in approach, the creativity that can come from being nimble versus, uh, you know 1,000 square meters. Here's the question, Clarendon Street.

Jay: If you— how do you compete with the volume of competition? So what I mean is, like, if you're disrupting how it was done 5 or 10 years ago, you win the race. But now that you're disrupting millions of people also doing the same who have seen that opportunity, and you'll have an answer for it, but I'm pumped. Yeah, because you're itching in your seat. But my point is that when it feels like there's a flood of that same minimalist approach to what a big media company did, it feels like the world has already gone there. Now how do you differentiate?

Josh: So I think what it comes down to is you need to start working out what is the differentiating— what is your point of difference? And so for what Tommy and I are doing is we realise that the, the actual only thing that we have that no one else has is us, our experience, our lens. And so what does that actually— if you're to put a filter through it, what does it mean? It means that we're not just another guest podcast. We don't actually— it's about, uh, short, uh, it's about growth over a long period of time rather than hockey stick growth. So we could get— say, we could have had you on episode 1 and got a big influx of traffic.

Jay: I doubt it.

Josh: But what would have that really done, right? Where the way that we're going at the moment, every episode we do, we get 2 new listeners. We've done, at the time of recording this, we've done over 115 episodes. So we get over 200 listeners every single episode. And so that slow growth, what it comes down to—

Jay: But that's what I mean. Doing it when it's a mad idea and slowly building equity in your offering is awesome.

Josh: Yeah. And it's the— and I think it's the thing that, uh, it's a— it's the work that we, we also think that that is the point of difference, is the showing up every day too. So there's— it's the mix of showing up every day, providing a unique offering. And the other thing too is we recognize— well, Tommy and I were having this discussion today. We put out an episode with a guest, and I didn't lead with the guest's name. And the conversation— I would love to get your take on it— the, the conversation we're having was, should we be leading with the guest's name? And so, uh, our thoughts behind, or my sort of thought behind it, was if, if we lead with a guest's name where we're inviting people that are fans of that specific person to listen in. And in that, in the specific case that I'm talking about, I felt that it was, the in should be the topic, the specific topic they were talking about, and then it's about the guest, and then they'll hopefully enjoy what we're doing. So I think it's about having those filters and being deliberate and not just, I think when I interviewed you, 5 years ago, you know, 4 years ago, whatever it was for Josh Speaking. I did a total of 10 episodes over fucking 4 years, right? Yeah, it worked out to be one every 6 months. But the thing is that it's— there are a lot of people because the barrier to entry is low, there are a lot of people giving it a crack. And I think that there's the voice in our head, especially after seeing over 10 years of podcasting, where it's like, it's too late, we've missed the boat. And not another fucking podcast.

Jay: Yeah, I don't— I, and I certainly wasn't meaning the podcast. I meant more the big media company in terms of, is, you know, like in terms of the offering of, you know, doing something minimal and building it big. But you've got to— and as I said before, it's, it's not what you get from it, it's who you become. And if you keep crafting and building, you know, you're sharpening your skills, um, And, uh, that's the value of it.

Josh: Yeah, I think with Big Media Company specifically, the difference as well is around an original content offering. So what we realise is that yes, we can charge $15,000, $20,000 for a client video, um, but you know, and if you, if you type in video production company, my business will be, you know, one or 2 on the, the listings on Google. Uh, but the thing is that as we go on, as the— this democratisation happens and younger people come in, that's going to become more and more a commodity. You don't want to be a commodity. And so what we end up only having, um, is ourselves and the creativity and the artistry. No, you just got to leave. No, you're going to lead with this.

Jay: What I love about that is And I absolutely back you guys 100%.

Seth: It's—

Jay: I actually also don't think you have to be very different to be very different. And I think that your unique combination of expertise and view of the world allows you to sit in a very different position than the masses. And, um, you know, being commercially friendly, being understanding the media landscape, uh, the brand needs, all the way through to understanding how to craft, uh, quality content at speed. And so, you know, like, that, that can be everything. And don't forget, all the masses won't be accessing the networks that you guys will be. So there's—

Tommy: if we're controlling the value that we're bringing because we're in charge of that, then that's where the difference lies. Because someone can, like you said, Josh, buy the camera, point it at something, and shoot.

Josh: And we're also scratching an itch. I think that there is a— it's that classic case of you saw through your experiences, you know, doing influencer marketing, that there was this huge hole, and you, you filled it with Tribe. And you can sell, you can sell every day on the fact that you saw this problem and you've come in and you've fixed it.

Jay: So here's the real question. So how are you guys gonna go with each other?

Tommy: Mate, we've done 150.

Jay: So was this your engagement?

Josh: This is the onboarding.

Tommy: Well, Josh and I have run simultaneous businesses in the same field and found ourselves coming together to talk about them and to bounce off each other. So we've basically primed ourselves for the last 2 or 3 years.

Jay: Are you guys smashing each other with tough love every now and then?

Tommy: Man, we have really difficult conversations.

Seth: Do you?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And if you can't live through them, I don't think you'd even entertain the idea of doing business together.

Jay: What are each other's blind spots?

Tommy: That's a whole episode. I think we have very different views on the world. And I think it's— I think Josh helps me with some of my narrow thinking on topics and empathy towards things. And then I think I help Josh simplify some of his wide, broad, complex thinking.

Josh: I think I'm an overthinker and Tommy oversimplifies things.

Jay: So yeah, what you wanted to say was you're an overthinker, he's an underthinker. There's one thing I know about Tommy, he doesn't think at all.

Josh: Well, no, well, there's definitely been the arguments where I'm like, Tommy, you wouldn't— I'm complex thinking right now, so you just don't fucking understand what I'm saying.

Jay: Because you don't have to bother, you're about to walk into a tree.

Josh: Yeah, it's the, um, it's, it's definitely about being able to have those hard conversations. But, but I think where it comes down to is we're aligned in the vision, and the vision for us with this podcast was we want to we want to scale our friendship in this. And it sounds like very fucking weasel-wordy and startup-y, but what it means is, uh, I know that when I was, you know, working for myself, it can be a very, very lonely journey. And Tommy and I having conversations regularly, we realised that, uh, mateship, uh, having just having a conversation, you can take something that was very difficult in your head and really be able to reconcile and understand it.

George: So, this next chat is from episode 153 with Stacey June, who has obviously been on the show many times since, but this was her first time. Josh was overseas at this point, and he was also really sick, and you can hear it in his voice a bit. So, sorry about that. But it's, I guess, one of the first iterations of doing the show remote., and it's a great chat about vulnerability and what they've learned from the Thinker Girls podcast. So here it is, episode 153 with Stacy June.

Tommy: For people who don't know, I'm currently remote. I'm in France and I've just been spending heaps of time listening to stuff and the amount of people who are talking about vulnerability rather than being vulnerable, like people are confusing the talking of vulnerability and let's get vulnerable and I'm being vulnerable right now, rather than actually like, when would you in a moment of vulnerability actually point out the fact that you're being vulnerable?

L: I think the interesting part on that is that everybody has different vulnerability levels too. Like often when we did our radio show, everyone was saying, oh my God, you're so vulnerable, you're so vulnerable. And so I would hear that, hear that and hear that. And then I realised in my personal life, I would think to myself, oh, I'm being vulnerable. But that might be vulnerable for the person telling me, 'cause that person going on air and sharing these personal stories, that's terrifying for them. That's showing this vulnerability. But then when I met my partner, that was when I had to learn about vulnerability. That was when I had to get out of this independent, you know, being single for 5 years and actually pull the walls down. And I was like, shit, I thought I was already vulnerable. And I went, oh no, actually, Vulnerability is very different for everybody. Your version of vulnerability is going to be very unique to the next person. So there isn't one version of that.

Tommy: As you can hear, Stace took a real hit after that cop incident. She really had her heart set on that bloke. And no, but here's a question for you. Here's a question for you. You know, so I think about things I would do on camera, like, you know, I would probably do some pretty crazy shit because it's on camera. And I feel like I can summon level of courage to do something if it's being recorded because I know the value is, ah, this is, you know, but if it wasn't recorded and it wasn't in that environment, maybe I wouldn't do some certain things. The same with being vulnerable. I think, do you think there's a mask that goes on for people that get this courage to be what they think is vulnerable, but do you think that's still being vulnerable in those moments?

L: Because I think it might be masked as vulnerability. I think it's something else. I think it's a, it's an adrenaline hit, or it's a it's like a risk or a challenge. Like I think there's something else driving it. I think maybe the result is people feel vulnerability from it, but maybe it's not that you're being vulnerable, 'cause I know that for a while there, I would be doing these types of topics in front of a national audience, and it was almost like I was told I couldn't do this. There was something else driving me, yet everybody else was taking it as vulnerable, but I don't know when I look back, now knowing levels of my true vulnerability, if that was actually vulnerable at all. I think Lena Dunham said it where people were really perplexed by all of her nudity in Girls, the season that she directed and starred in, sorry, the series. But she would look back at them and go, that's your vulnerability, I actually don't have an issue with being naked. And that was when I kinda went, ah, interesting.

Tommy: Behind closed doors, vulnerability is a lot different. Having a hard conversation that you just don't wanna have is being more vulnerable than standing on a street corner yelling that you're, you know, whatever.

L: For a performer it is because that's your job. For somebody else standing on the corner doing whatever example you're gonna say might be very vulnerable for them. It's true.

Tommy: Well, I even feel that I'm more like, I'll say things on the podcast that I won't even talk about with my family. So that's been an interesting reflective thing of me. I'm like, well, shit, I haven't even said this to my family or close friends, and yet I'm having this conversation on the podcast. Do you ever fall into that?

L: It's so intense. I would never have had those conversations with any of my other girlfriends before I met Christie and started doing that show. I swear, it was insane. And she says the same thing. She said, it wasn't like I was this friend and the one in the group that was always the one to talk about sex or always the one to share all of these stories. We just had a chemistry that got a bit of a buzz from having those conversations. So there was a buzz, but I also felt like, yeah, it became about a performance a bit too, which was quite thrilling and had that kind of adrenaline buzz. And also, I don't know what it is. You kind of feel like it's starting a conversation. I think that was a little bit of the drive too. Creating something into the sphere. And it might not be creative like a painting, but you feel like you are starting something or creating something new.

Tommy: Josh, just quickly.

Tommy: Tommy and I talk about all for content. I just wanted to ask you, because just a little insight, when Tommy did his engagement video, he actually recorded the proposal next to water and you couldn't properly hear him doing the proposal. So he actually, I suggested and he went ahead and it's on YouTube. He recorded him saying his lines, what's known as ADR in the industry in film. And he got Amy to do the response. So if you listen to the video, it's actually a recording after the fact.

L: It's a VO, it's a bloody VO.

Josh: Yeah, exactly. Did you ever, Were you ever worried?

Tommy: Congratulations, you got married in New York recently. Were you conscious of it being hashtag all for content?

L: No, it wasn't at all. We didn't tell anybody about it. We honestly, it was kept pretty on the DL for that exact reason. And I kept it like a private time for almost close to a month. And then I put everything on Instagram and then it almost kind of disconnected to my personal time and became about sharing. But there are still photos, like the photos in City Hall when we say our vows, just before we say them, there's particular parts of that day that I didn't consciously decide, but that felt like my favourite part of the day. No one will ever see those photos. So I didn't make this decision beforehand, I'm gonna separate it, but I knew that that to me felt like something I wanted to keep and so I kept it and then the rest, Everybody got, and Jesus, everybody loved it. Oh my God. I could not, yeah, it was a crazy response considering it's 2018. And just getmarriedhowyouwant.com.

Tommy: What are you excited about for the rest of the year? Like in general, in life?

L: I'm about to—

Tommy: This is a good way to finish up 'cause we're just getting around coffee and milk.

L: I am about to launch my own blog, which I feel like you guys talk about being late to podcasting. Yeah, but I don't give a shit 'cause that's a way I think that I'm going to start having a bit of an idea of this, I don't know, I feel like it's a bit of a new chapter for me with I suppose a bit of a narrative of a lot of stuff that I've done behind the scenes for many years and it's making me a bit nervous 'cause it's stepping, it's dancing around a self-helpy, I suppose element, but I'm just gonna do exactly as we were talking before and do the things that interest me and share the things that I wanna share today and not share because it comes under a Thinker Girls banner or comes under a radio banner or comes under a this will be great to get another job. I just wanna be able to have a creative outlet to push things out that are current and what I'm into. So yeah, I'm gonna start that in the next month and start populating that and just continuing to do the pod channel. It's nice to have gotten to a place where we realized, there's been a few times this year where we're like, well, we can keep doing it. And it's become my part-time job in that I was thinking, shit, I'm gonna have to go get a telly job or I'm gonna have to get something behind the scenes again. And the Thinker Girls has just kept coming through. So it ended up being my other job. So it'll be interesting to see how that pans out. And also very new for me to be doing any kind of project on my own. 'Cause for a very long time working with Tommy, working with Christie, working with other different people, different co-hosts. I've very rarely stepped out and shared content solo, so I'm very nervous about that, but I'm very excited.

Tommy: It's the opposite journey to what Josh and I are doing. Yeah, we're joining together because we've been doing shit on our own.

L: Yeah, so I'll have to call you guys. Yeah, and say I'm lonely, can I please come back on the show?

Tommy: That's what I think is great about especially what you're doing with Thinker Girls is it's like you are scaling friendship. You're allowing people who might work on their own to be able to have a friend and to listen. So yeah, we've been really inspired with— I know I've been really inspired with what you were doing with Thinker Girls, and that was really what got me thinking more and more about, you know, doing this type of podcast and providing and seeing the vulnerability that you and Kristi have in your show and saying, well, why can't it A couple of dudes actually do something that's not so fucking cliché and so obvious. And so, you know, and try and be a bit more vulnerable.

George: Now we're fast forwarding a bit to episode 499. This is with Craig Bruce and Jay Mueller. And what I like about this chat is it shows how much Mr. 97 has grown over the last year or two as a producer on the daily talk show. Craig Bruce and Jay Mueller are two of the most experienced producers in radio. And podcasting, and he's able to get some really good advice from them about committing to a long journey with Josh and Tommy. So, here it is, episode 499.

M: I was just going to ask Mr. 97 a question, which is that, do you know what Josh and Tommy's goal is for this show?

Mason: I think they want to build sort of an audience around the ideas and the values and interests that they have. So it's a cult they want to create.

Tommy: Yes, exactly. It's not his words, but that was yours.

Mason: That's okay. Yeah, but I think, I think, I think Tommy and Josh see an importance of bringing people along, uh, on a journey of their— through their daily life. And I think instead of focusing on stuff that's happening in the news, focusing on stuff that's relevant to them and things that they love And bringing the audience in on that is super important.

Tommy: Well answered.

M: And how often are you having conversations with them about where, where they're at? Because I mean, this— I remember I, I knew that you guys were doing a daily talk show, and I knew every— a little bit that was happening. And then I came to see the office and visit and sat down, and Josh told me, no, this is part of a 10-year plan. We're doing— we are doing this for 10 years. And it blew me away. How do you have those conversations where, you know, and do you have those conversations where you go, hey, you know what, obviously you're, you're not as into it today as you have been. How do you talk to them about those sorts of things?

Mason: Yeah, sure. Uh, well, I think, I think that's an area where I'm just starting to move into. So Josh was mentioning we're like in the day-to-day sort of stuff at the moment, so that's I think one of the next progressions. But there, there is the, the sort of checking in in terms of what's going on. But yeah, that's probably the next step.

Tommy: Yeah.

Tommy: How do you, Jay, as someone who's started and, you know, great, built your way up to, you know, quite high in the producing world, how do you encourage a young person to feel uncomfortable but have the conversations? Like, how do you get through that?

M: I think the thing is, is that, you know, we're working with people and we're trying to build relationships. Your show is going to be as strong as your best relationships. And, you know, you have to have good relationships. Doesn't mean you have to be friends with, with everybody and do everything together, but it means you have to understand what Josh is going through, what Tommy's going through, but also have a real awareness of what you're going through. You know, you have to have that ability to go, okay, well, this is where I'm at right now. You know, what's going to happen to Mr. 97 when he decides it's 6 years in? You know what, I've done 6 years. And I now have this other show that I want to do.

Tommy: You can't leave Colts. It's actually—

Josh: it's messy. We follow you with cameras for the rest of your life. We're content creators, so we're really onto it as well.

Tommy: We can get away with it.

Josh: We're just making vlogs.

Josh: I reckon it's a good question though, Tommy, because no one likes confrontation. No one likes to tell— in a situation where you're running your own race, where are you getting feedback from and where are you— you do need objective ears and who's playing that role. And certainly for young producers starting out, most young producers will find themselves in a situation where just based on the age gap, you know, you deal— if you're working in a metro environment, you know, you've got a 26, 27-year-old producer dealing with a 38 to 45-year-old co-host.

Tommy: And not to mention the status of them, right?

Josh: Totally.

Tommy: They're famous.

K: Yeah.

Josh: So if you've got people like Eddie who's doing the game, who's doing the presentation, doing all that sort of thing, I think that adds the extra level, which is like, like the point around Jackie O, these people are actually the EPs within their shows as well.

Josh: But I think you can build respect up over time and do the work to get to a point where you're valued within the team and that value will then feed into your view and perspective on how the show is sounding. I mean, Sarah Fayol is a great example of that. Sarah was worked with Jay on Eddie's show, and she was just so brilliant at it. You know, like, how old would she have been? 20s? What is she now?

M: Late 20s, early 30s. She's in her 30s now.

Josh: Yeah, and just so brilliant at her job and so efficient and, and just an awesome team member. And I'm sure she was brought in on conversations around, okay, well, what are we doing and where are we, where we're at, because that relationship had been built up over time.

M: Absolutely. And I think with, um, dealing with, with people ask them how they want to be dealt with. Yeah, you know, I mean, Josh may have the ability to take things— you seem like a guy that if you and I need to have a conversation, we could just cut out any of the fluff and just have a very direct conversation that requires yes or no answers both ways, and that'd be it, and that'd be fine. It wouldn't need to be any emotional connection or anything of it at all. It would just be, here's the situation, this is what we're going to do to fix it, this is how we're going to move on. Is that accurate? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tommy: And you've missed the patting of the shoulder.

Josh: Yeah, I think I'm a big baby who, but also that likes to, uh, go deep and have the conversation. And realising Tommy's always talks about like, I'm a dot connector as well, so I'll connect the dots. So I'll say, yeah, hey, there's these 6— not that I'm keeping score, but definitely it's like these 6 things happened. I probably wait until that point where I'm like, okay, I'm 'Here, this is what we're talking about.' So positive affirmation would also go a long way.

M: And I feel like that conversation we'd be able to have just sitting here, whereas I feel like with Tommy, if we were gonna have a conversation, I'd feel like, 'Hey, let's go for a walk. Let's go walk down the street,' because I feel like that's—

Tommy: I don't know.

M: I have no idea if that— Yeah, we're gonna get a coffee.

Tommy: Coffee's good.

George: So this next episode is number 274, and it is with Queen Gronkh, Gemma Watts. She'd be pissed off if she wasn't in this highlights thing. So, here she goes. This is her episode. It's the first time she was on with video, and they had some food that was nostalgic for Fat Fridays. And they talk about pubes, which is great. And actually, this is— they talk about the word "gronk" and how much they love that word. So, "gronk" sort of started taking off after this episode. So, here we go. Number 274. This one's for you, Gem.

Josh: The laser thing. Would people do it with their pubes? Yes. With the whole thing? Like, would you ever commit to your whole pubic hair so you never have to worry about waxing and all that ever again?

K: Yes.

Josh: That's a big commitment.

Tommy: I mean, well, that's one thing that's coming back into fashion in that respect.

Josh: No, but the thing is, what Gemma's saying is that some people I've actually lasered everything.

K: Some people have.

Josh: Not pointing fingers, but that happened. Like, so, like, it lasered the whole thing so you never have to worry about it ever again. But that, that is a very permanent—

K: yeah, one-year top-up.

Tommy: Yeah.

K: Okay, you can eventually grow it back.

Tommy: So it needs to be constantly—

K: yeah.

Tommy: Well, fuck, are they going to invent this shit? Just get it— I would get my back completely done because I'm sick of having to ask my wife, can you just please just sort me out?

K: But does she— what does she do?

Tommy: Like clippers.

Josh: I'd be—

Tommy: but it's not that, like, it— yeah, you pretty much can't see and it solves the problem. I just don't like it. I think this is the, the clo— this is the closest sort of manscaping, like, the routine that I would have.

K: What? Like, what constitutes manscaping?

Josh: Any scissors involved?

K: Any? Okay.

Tommy: No, manscaping, I think manscaping at its core is shaving hair from a man's body. Like, I thought it was just pubes. Yeah, pubes.

Josh: Is that okay? What about fixing my neckbeard?

Tommy: What's that?

Josh: Just being a good human?

Tommy: That's just, that's just being polite, not being a gronk.

K: I mean, I started saying Gronkh.

Tommy: Did you?

K: Yeah, I really like it.

Tommy: It's got cut through.

Josh: I literally, I said it the other day too. I like it.

K: Yesterday I needed Gronkh and Shrimp stamped.

Josh: That would be amazing.

K: Yeah, do it.

Josh: Bring it back tattooed. Maybe you could do something with the laser and actually have pubic hair as Gronkh.

Tommy: I, um, yesterday was driving. I'm out. This guy did a U-turn as I'm coming in a street that you're not meant to, and his window was down and mine was down, and I just yelled out 'You're gronk.' And he looked at me so confused, and I realised as I said it loud that it's like, 'You drunk?' Very confusing.

Josh: Yeah, gronk. He's like, 'What?' Like, he probably didn't understand what you're even saying.

Josh: Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: Which I was like, 'That's actually kind of good. You can yell gronk.' What's it—

Josh: 2019, what's it the year of for you, Gemma?

K: Well, my New Year's resolution— we were talking about realistic ones.

Josh: I wouldn't even think you'd have New Year's resolutions.

K: Drink more water. So easy.

Hamish: Drink more water.

K: And my other one, I came up with this after I'd had like 2 litres of margarita on New Year's. Play more pranks. That's my New Year's resolution.

Tommy: Have you done any?

Tommy: Yeah, what can we do?

K: Not really, no, 'cause it came about when we had people over and I went down the side of the house and I was in, we've got like a raised decking and I was down the side. Sort of underneath. No, no, I'm not a munter.

Josh: Um, I'm not a munter. There's the title of the episode. Gemma's Not a Munter. Are you happy? As the copywriter, what should today's— that's good. Gemma's Not a Munter. M-U-N-T-E-R. So for people who are not from Australia, yeah, just vomiting.

K: I was gonna say it's just not having a cheeky spew, and then I was like, no, still, still here. So I went down the side of the house and then I was— it seemed so funny at the time because we were wasted, but I was just like calling out people's names from the side of the house and they're like, where's that coming from?

Tommy: I was just there.

K: And then yeah, that's when it— Play More Pranks 2019.

Tommy: Low level, but I think we can get you— I want to know before you come back on the show, probably be definitely within this year, I want you to do some serious pranking.

Josh: What is A, uh, Gemma, you just dropped some on you, on your dress. It's okay, it's just— no, it's gone. The, the prank thing, malicious versus okay, where is the, uh, where's sort of the benchmark?

Tommy: Can I tell you an example of one? You tell me if— so I was a part of this, not my idea. Um, this dude who makes videos wanted— was making a video and he called me, dude, I need your help. I need you to play a boyfriend that's gonna walk up to a guy who's having coffee with this girl and you're gonna be like, hey babe, like, um, I thought you said you were going to uni. And then you need to sort of like get in this awkward interaction with the dude.

Josh: How long ago was this?

Tommy: This was years and years and years and years, like 8 years ago. And so what had happened is his mate went out the night before. And then the boys were like, fuck, we've got a number, we've got a phone number that's not in his thing, and let's say that it's the girl that he met because they didn't exchange numbers. And so John's met this girl Lisa out, and the boys are like, all right, let's send it from this phone. Hey John, it's Lisa, um, so great to meet you last night. I got your number off one of the guys, blah blah blah. Um, let's catch up for a coffee. And he was so wasted that he couldn't remember who or what Lee— what Lisa looked like. And so what they did was they had like—

K: I like this so far.

Tommy: So Lisa, which was an actor from Star Now, really, to the bar. And Lisa was my girlfriend in this thing. And so we were across one side of the Yarra River on a long lens shooting to a bar on the other side.

Josh: What, for fun? Or was this for content?

K: Oh my God, this is a lot of effort.

Tommy: So Lisa goes down there and And this guy Bob or whatever, this guy John was going to meet Lisa.

K: Just pick a name and stick with it.

Tommy: Yeah, I've got it. Lisa and John. Lisa had a pin that had a camera on it. So there's like footage.

Josh: I had one of them. Swan was the brand.

Tommy: And so then I went around and I—

K: Did you think you were a spy?

Josh: This Australian company Swan had these spy—

Tommy: actually, that's great.

Josh: Imaged them as spy. They were shit. You would unscrew them and have a USB thing plug it in.

Tommy: It's exactly that one. And so what happens is I then go up, John and Lisa are having— I'm like, Lisa! And I went in and gave her a kiss on the lips, and I was like, that was the best part for you.

Josh: Like, do I get to kiss Lisa?

K: And then I took off my Ed Hardy t-shirt.

Tommy: I was like, what are you doing? I thought you said you're going to school. And it just— this most fucking awkward situation played out. And this guy's like, oh! I'm like, who are you, mate? And I kind of gave it a bit, but I wasn't really aggressive. I was like, I didn't want to fight him. And it was like, it just would have been— you didn't have to be a good actor, you just needed to be awkward. And it was so awkward. Anyway, I was so pumped to see this video, and then the dude who was making it was like, he's actually not mentally stable, so I have decided not to make the video.

K: It was going so well.

Tommy: And we told him and he fucking almost had a breakdown. They read that one.

Josh: So this is the problem with pranks.

Tommy: That's too far, right? Yeah, that is.

Josh: Because does the prank ever feel good for— does the prankee ever go, 'Oh, you got me, guys'?

Tommy: It is the same. Like, you've never had that. You've never had The Boys, Josh. And there's a lot of pranking that went on with The Boys, right?

K: Weird.

Tommy: Like, just stupid shit. And it's not to make them happy, it's to make everyone else laugh.

Josh: But then, because we do it— could we do it within the office with Mr. 97?

Tommy: Or I think there's like some scared—

K: probably you've got You just said it in front of him.

Josh: He doesn't know.

K: Yeah, but he's gonna be on edge for the next 11 months.

Josh: Well, because Tommy and I, after our fight last week or early in the week, when was it?

K: It was Wednesday.

Josh: Wednesday, thank you.

K: I was worried you coming in today.

Josh: It's all good. No, but the falling out happened in the morning and Mr. 97 went home.

Tommy: I just said—

Josh: Your parents are fighting. Your parents are fighting.

Tommy: Dad and dad are fighting, real modern day couple.

Josh: And when we're all good, I said, I don't know what I said. I think I said I was going to message Mason.

Tommy: Yeah.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: And you said, why don't we call him and we'll say that it's completely done. We'll record it and let's say that the show's over. The business is done. Yeah. And don't bother coming in.

Tommy: I took it one step further. I was like, I'll call him, badmouth you, you call him, badmouth me and see if he'll badmouth Both of us? Both. I feel like Josh— yeah, Tommy, mate, he's out of fucking control. I feel like Josh is out of control.

Josh: I just feel like—

K: start planning for April Fools' now. Yeah, you're already late.

Josh: No, I just think I would get, um, so hurt. That makes me so nervous.

Tommy: That's what I'm trying to say. The, the stuff around the board, like, I think you build up a resilience. You couldn't do it because you'd be—

Josh: I don't know if you— no, you can't even handle when Gemma and I correct you with words. You nearly burst into tears.

Tommy: Annoying traits.

George: Finally, to finish off this highlights day 1, it is episode 100 with Hamish Blake. This is a personal favourite of mine. I love this episode so much. It's so funny. Hamish has just returned from a little family trip to Sydney, and it's pretty late at night, but they managed to get the episode up by about 11:50 PM. So, still haven't missed a day. He tells some really funny storeys of the radio days, and then finishes the show off with a bit of a prediction of what could happen by episode 1,000, which is exciting. What I also love about this episode is Josh reads out a list of names of people who have emailed the show, some of which still listen to the show regularly. But it just, you know, it just shows how passionate the boys are about consistently doing the show, even when there's not many people engaged with it in the early days. Um, so I love this.

Josh: This is episode 100 with Hamish Blake, admin for The Daily Talk Show, the podcast. Sorry, people are listening to—

Tommy: this is half an hour.

Josh: Yeah, so no, well, we, we started off—

Hamish: you need to do two podcasts a day.

Josh: No, we—

Hamish: an admin one and a real one.

Josh: No, so I, um, The Daily Talk Show, I'm Josh, the other guy's Tommy, um, and this is episode 100 and I've written down every single person who has sent us an email, which in your game would obviously probably take up—

Hamish: Well, we have computers, so we could generate a digital list.

Mason: Digital.

Hamish: Other than have it, like, you've got 100 handwritten lists.

Tommy: So I just spent time doing it.

Josh: I wanted to thank the people who have, over the last 100 episodes—

Hamish: That's a great idea.

Josh: —written a name out. Michelle, Sean, Jody, BMAC, Trevor, Derek, Russ, and Robert.

Hamish: So yeah, because I'm reading that upside down, I thought robot was the last person. We're now breaking into like machines that can listen and appreciate podcasts.

Tommy: We've actually got a couple of birthdays as well. Neil, it's Neil's birthday today.

Josh: We had two people, Neil and Chris. It's also Chris's birthday.

Hamish: Did they realise How many episodes out did they realize? On Friday, yeah, Friday Neil reached out. I was sort of wondering if it was in like the 70s.

Josh: This was probably the longest.

Tommy: They didn't think it would keep going. We didn't know.

Josh: But the thing is that the, um, we've been teasing. This is probably the longest tease in the sense of having you on. I think it probably—

Tommy: have you been getting notifications today from us posting about you coming on the show?

Josh: Instagram told me that you'd mentioned, yeah.

Hamish: But, uh, no, so I think that's what I said to Zoe. How are we going to cut this Sydney trip short? Shit, I'm so sorry. I told the guys I'd be back in Melbourne.

Josh: Uh, what's the— do you— what's been the biggest guest that you ever had on your show? What was the longest tease that you ever did?

Hamish: The longest tease would be pretty different. There'd be— uh, I'll give you a couple of categories. There would be some ill-placed, um, teasers. Like, you know, now looking back on it was it worth like talking up this person so much, or this band? Like, you know, like, hey, we've got Flo Rida coming up, you know, he's gonna be hot.

Tommy: Don't, don't—

Hamish: but that performance, I might, um, that was funny. Were you there for that?

Josh: No, I remember that was just before I think that I had to take a bunch of tweets down because I think I tweeted about it and then soon after got a job at SEA and did a big cleanup.

Tommy: I was— I got so close to Flo Rida. He was on a security guy's shoulders. And Flo Rida is probably 140 kilos himself.

Hamish: Massive.

Tommy: And on his back, like jacked up, like he's all protein. But I don't know if he forgets his name, but it says Flo Rida on his back, just, just, just a cheat sheet.

Hamish: All I remember from that, like, I mean, that was a great one, but we— that seemed to be all over the station forever. Like, yeah, I just remember when he turned up, it was just a disproportionate level of him expecting— like, I think he was like, I can't believe I'm doing a radio station in Melbourne. Like, come on, I'm FlowRider. One of the, um, that's for a rooftop party, the Logies one. That might have even been for our— because I can't— I don't know what it was. It was pre-Logies spit roast. We were on at 4 PM and he played— he did like the 3 to 4 hour— it was the FlowRider party. But there was like a panic because— and this is another free Nando's plug— he wanted chickens. Um, it's like he's a crocodile. Yeah, he wanted like, like protein. He wanted like 8 roast chickens. That's right. Everyone was like rushing around getting him chickens because it was just like survey result day.

Josh: Yeah, but you were like, Nando's, but like, oh my God, like get Flo Rida chickens, he needs chickens.

Tommy: And like, I think he wanted bananas as well because I was there that day and he might have just eaten chickens and bananas, like, because he's, he's ripped.

Hamish: Like, he obviously is on a specific diet for muscle gain. Yeah. And the other 2 things he wanted he wanted one bottle of Cristal, and like, it had— and we're like, man, come on, Flo, like, who are you? And then another bottle of Yellow Glen. Like, he wanted like super expensive champagne, then shit champagne.

Josh: So they wanted to spray it, the audience?

Hamish: Yeah. And, and but he sprayed the— he was like, I spray Cristal as a show of strength, and I want— but I just have in my green room, I don't mind what champagne I drink. But I must spray the expensive stuff. So there's a lot of it was like, a lot of it was for show. Did you remember when he threw that like gold chain out to the crowd?

Tommy: I remember the gold chain he had on.

Hamish: That was a massive gold chain on, threw it out to the crowd. Everyone's like, oh my God, like someone caught it, like a woman caught it. She was like, I can't believe I've like— it was— it looks expensive. So she's probably like, I think it was made 100 grand here. And everyone— and then he just said, he sprayed Cristal through his gold chain. I was like, I'm out of here. And Flo Rida like goes back to finish off 2 or 3 chickens. Some wings or whatever, bit of popcorn chicken. And then his security guard came through the crowd and was like, give us the chain. He's got a guy that goes out and finds the girl, or whoever catches it, goes, honestly, give us the chain back. Like, as if, see you later. Andy and I would often probably arrogantly go, if I was this brand, I would love this. Because, and that's where we sometimes we got that right.

Josh: It feels like you got it wrong in this case. I'm getting that vibe.

Hamish: And for Bailey's, I reckon we got it wrong because some I don't know how it just became a funny joke. Like we had 2 weeks where we were thanks to Bailey's and their tagline was something like, you know, treat yourself to a luxurious Bailey's of an evening. Like it was really, it was just really bland and like, you know, it was just like so unexciting. And 'cause we were like, people know what Bailey's is. Just encouraging everyone to treat themselves to a luxurious Bailey's of a night.

Josh: But how are you describing like advertising on radio in general? Isn't that the thing? This is where the arrogance comes in.

Hamish: I think we were just like, no. Probably because Andy and I did commerce at uni, we're like, nah, we did product and brand management. This is what you wanna do for your ad. Like we would just overrule, I think mentally overrule, go nah, nah, nah, nah, that sucks. Like very arrogantly, 'cause they know that like a marketing agency is like, all right, you guys are like 3% of our message. We have other channels. And ways we're trying to tweak the brand here and convince people to buy from us. But Andy and I would see the sheet of their message and go, "No, that stinks. I think what you really want is just no matter what the context, us to talk about you guys more." And somehow, 'cause sometimes we just get exhausted and tired and you try and make each other laugh and you know, like I would know I'm trying to make Andy laugh by saying something that's the worst possible ad for this brand. So I, out of something, for whatever reason, I thought one day it would be funny to go and we should just— because a lot of the time it would be me saying something dumb and Anna being like, well, no, we can't say that, we do have to say the right thing. Like, then we just keep trying to push the envelope that way, and he pretending to hold me back, and, and us both laughing about having a good time. So this, this particular occasion, it just— I was like, I think this would just be funny for whatever reason to refer to Bailey as the world's number one sports drink. And I was like, so at the end of the day, get home after, after a big run, grab a Baileys and just bloody douse yourself in it. You know, like, chug a Baileys, it's the world's number one sports drink. Number one, number one alcoholic cream-based sports drink.

Josh: Would that, like, even from the regulators, would you even be able to say that?

Hamish: This was before, yeah. Nowadays you really wouldn't because you're not allowed to glorify drinking. Yeah, but back, this was pre-that because the only boys, the only trouble we got in, cock-a-sucka, was which is a key ingredient. That's the other thing Baileys is a key ingredient for the cocktail. Um, the only thing we got in trouble with was like, this is just heinously off-brand for Baileys. And we're like, yeah, but people know that. Like, people know it's not a cream-based sports drink.

Tommy: And how much, how much actual face time are you having with Baileys?

Hamish: So this is the thing where like, these guys are paid for like literally two mentions. It could just be this: Baileys, enjoy refreshing Baileys at night. Like, you know, or Baileys, treat yourself to an indulgent Baileys. We're like, we've gone on for 5 minutes about how 'You know, Bailey's is the world's number one cream-based sports drink, and like, yeah, get a bit sticky after the big match, but that's sports, you know, like, have a shower, wash your Bailey's off.' And like, it just became— the more we knew we weren't allowed to, and then we kind of like 3 or 4 days in, they're like, 'Guys, Bailey's is furious, you've got to stop this.' And it just made it funnier to us. And then we're like, 'She did it more than once.' Yeah, they were like giggling in church, and then we can't laugh, it's funnier. So we were like, like, it just got That probably got a bit— Bailey's wasn't happy with us from that instance. And another one that really did work though was Riccadonna, another alcohol. Like Riccadonna sparkling wine, I think it's about $9 or $10 a bottle. It's not your fanciest. I'll be buying after this. It's not your fanciest bottle, but good sports drink as well. We did— it was probably, it was, you know, a bit of an homage to Champagne Comedy, but we had bottles of Riccadonna in the studio, and at any point during the day we could classify a highlight as today's Riccadonna moment, and we'd like— we would pop champagne corks and then be drinking Riccadonna.

Josh: And this was one that went really well.

Hamish: Went really well. In fact, we kept the bottles of Riccadonna around in the studio for a few weeks afterwards to still have Riccadonna moments. That's great. Well, let me say this as a prediction as we wrap up the 100th episode. At episode 1,000, this show will have either become something else or sparked a new idea. Like, this will— this show will have been the platform for the next genesis of you guys, and it could well be massive, but it might not be this show, you know what I mean? It might be the thing that you needed to do 630 episodes of before the penny dropped and the light went on, and suddenly something became so obvious to you that you couldn't believe you didn't think of it 630 shows earlier. But my philosophy is, and my, my belief is, you've got to do those 630 shows to find it. Like, you've got to, you just got to go on the journey to, to get the epiphany. Like, you know, you gotta, if you want, you gotta create space to have an idea, you gotta, you gotta push through, you gotta show up, you gotta just keep doing the work till you get to the next spot. There's no, it would never have happened if you just were like, all right, you know, we're gonna go on a holiday and really, really, really think about our futures until it sparks up. I think the fastest way It's a paradox to get. But hang on, isn't that what you're doing this year? 10 weeks, slightly, slightly different, slightly different thing. My goal is to not be busy, so just— I'll make it. Yeah, I will achieve that goal. I can, I can do that right now. I can fall, I can just go limp and I'll, I'll win. But for you guys who go, all right, well, wait, like, where's this, where's the next iteration coming? Like, where's the next level coming? I promise you it's just on the other side of keeping on doing it. So we're gonna get to 630.

Tommy: Will you come back for the 630?

Hamish: I promise you it's at 630. I can't— I know what it is, I can't see what it is.

Josh: We already—

Hamish: I remember me and Andy's 630th episode, and we were like, oh yeah, great. Do you remember counting the episodes? No, it was only in hindsight. We went back and we were like, generously, I think, gave ourselves like, uh, 40 weeks a year, 5— 200, yeah, 200 a year. But it was probably way less than 200.

Josh: Podcasters are a bit of a joke in the sense of how we count this shit, like, because every single day, like, we're doing 40 a year.

Hamish: It's outrageous, the song and the dance we're making about our podcast because we have nothing else to promote. So like, we're doing publicity about our podcast. Yeah. And everyone's like, oh great, podcast, well done. And I said, they're going, yeah, but we've been doing a book, we've probably done about 3,000 episodes of the podcast. We've just never really— it's never been the only thing we had to talk about, so we've never mentioned it before. Well, Joe Rogan, 1,000, 1,150 or something.

Tommy: Yeah, but crazy, right?

Josh: Like the radio show, like that's what I was saying to you, TJ, like you did all these episodes in Shepparton. And the thing about these— I'm glad they're gone.

Hamish: Deliberately un-podcast it.

Josh: But the, the system is that there's like lots of people doing that in regional areas and all that sort of thing, and we've created a system where they're sort of boxed into a certain spot. Okay, so you've got metro, you've got regional, and that sort of thing. And podcasting is like democratising all of that and saying that— I like that we create confusion where we can get promo shots done and look like a big fucking breakfast show, and we're just two dudes making no money on this.

Hamish: I think you might have— yeah, you've cracked a little bit of it. You're kind of trumping it. You're just like, I'm just telling you, just tell everyone this is massive, man.

Josh: Thanks so much for spending the time. I think it's a total pleasure. The thing is, bro, the thing that I always tell when people say, what's Hamish like? I think that people underestimate due to the fact that you're so funny, people forget how, or don't realise how thoughtful, intelligent, and just like a good person you are. So thanks, Joshie. My ears— cheque out the show notes. My ears, whenever I say something nice about someone, my ears ring. It's really annoying.

Tommy: And tears come out.

Josh: He's like, go to a psychologist. Anyway, it's the Daily Talk Show, everyone. Send us an email hi@thedailytalkshow.com. Make the list. It's Michelle, Sean, Jodie, Trevor, Derek, Russ, Robert. Thanks for the email.

Hamish: You still got 10 lines on the exercise book. Make that list, guys.

Josh: Have a good one, guys.