Clubbing & Psychologists

Tommy: The Daily Talk Show.

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 625.

Tommy: Happy Monday, you filthy animals. What's going on? Oh, I was watching, um, actually, filthy— I was wondering where that came from. Got a bit— it's a bit much for a Monday, but, um, I was watching Home Alone on, on Saturday night with Bodhi. A great film, you know, where, where he lights the firecrackers and, yeah, keep the change, you filthy animal. And then he runs out.

Josh: Oh, that's right. You know, was that him saying that?

Tommy: No, he's fast forwarding a video and like pressing pause and then playing, you know, AC said 10%. Anyway, it's great.

Josh: So you enjoyed it?

Tommy: Yeah, I loved it. I love it when Bodhi likes films that I can actually enjoy too, rather than sitting there watching bullshit.

Josh: Are you going to go to Shrek the Musical?

Tommy: I'd like to. I think it'd probably scare him too much. It looks good. Shrek is great, but it's for a young 3-year-old.

Mason: Really?

Josh: It's scary.

Tommy: Well, in real life, seeing a big green man, sort of, you know, an ogre.

Josh: Well, there's a— '97, there's that website that I believe Mimi Ikonn talks about that will tell you scary parts of a movie. And so, you know what to get rid of. It's sort of like helicopterparents.com, I think is the address. We've got Rain Man Rory for the first time. G'day, Rain Man. Rayman.

Mason: Hello.

Josh: Thanks for having me. Yeah, you're our analytics— I don't say guru much, but I feel like the analytics side of things, there is a level of guruism to it.

Tommy: Because you want to— you want the Messiah vibe there, the guru vibe.

Josh: No, there's no— but you spend a lot of time—

Tommy: you want to be in charge of the cult. Well, no, I just hate when people call me a guru.

Josh: If video guru—

Tommy: yeah, but why do you keep telling people to call you it?

Josh: And do not, do not. So we've got Rayman for the first time and Karen. Aka Kaz, is back from Macau. Is that where you got those, um, that bag from?

Unknown: Yeah.

Tommy: I mean, there's nothing better when Kaz comes in the office, but then when Kaz comes in the office with treats, there's nothing better than that. And you've got like a bag of stuff. We can't go through it all because there's a lot there, but we want something to nibble on now, Kaz. So can you tell us one thing in there that we could try right now and sort of Consider Josh gets— he got angry at me once when I got cereal for him for Fat Fridays. He was so— that's right, he was so pissed.

Josh: Like, genuinely, I don't like cereal. Yeah, so it was a bit of a waste. And so, Kaz, what does it say on the— what language is that on the front of the bag?

Unknown: Um, that's Chinese.

Josh: Chinese. Okay, okay. And what does it say?

Unknown: It's, um, which is like the head chef. The brand of the company.

Josh: Oh, cool.

Unknown: It's called that. Yeah.

Tommy: Can you say that again?

Unknown: Ah, got it.

Josh: No, remember, can I try and say it? Can you say it one more time, please? Ah, it's not bad.

Tommy: She simplified it for you. She really gave you the hip-hop-ter-miss.

Josh: Well, it's all, it's all tonal, isn't it?

Tommy: It's hard. Like when you see, um, Tim Ferriss speaking Japanese, It's like he's—

Josh: Is that a tonal language as well? Is Japanese tonal? Is that like—

Unknown: How would I know? I'm not Japanese.

Josh: I know, but like, as in when it comes to languages, is that a thing?

Tommy: Safe to say, Kaz, you're the language expert here because you speak more than one. Ask Gronks around here, he can speak Australian and Gronk.

Unknown: It's not a tonal language.

Josh: No, it's not a tonal language.

Tommy: But you see, like, he does— It's with his mouth and like his tongue doesn't lift off. I've seen him talk about it when he was learning. He's like, I don't— When you speak—

Josh: It requires a different type of your mouth.

Tommy: It's too much for me. Anyway, Kaz, what's one thing that we could try right now?

Unknown: I reckon the egg rolls. They are really famous in Macau.

Josh: Okay, great.

Tommy: Egg roll famous to Macau.

Unknown: Yeah.

Tommy: This is not even Fat Fridays. This is—

Josh: Could you bring it over for us, guys?

Tommy: Naughty Monday. Okay.

Josh: And so, to describe it, they look like taquito.

Tommy: Oh, cigars. They look like cigars.

Josh: Okay, this is great. All right, let's see.

Tommy: So, egg roll.

Josh: So, Kaz, what's in them?

Tommy: Oh, oh no, that was just the, uh, I think that's just—

Josh: oh, this is the sachet.

Tommy: The sachet. You know you have fresh produce when it's got a little, um, do not eat, um, it's a preservative thing. Anyway, let's smoke some cigars, JJ.

Mason: Thank you.

Josh: Do I take the whole thing? Okay.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah.

Josh: Oh yum, so it smells like shortbread. Have you had shortbread before?

Unknown: I don't think so.

Josh: Okay, shortbread's like a— it's big in like Christmas time and stuff.

Tommy: That would be great. Dipping into something. I like it, but you could almost suck some chocolate milk through it. How do you— do you just eat them straight? Is that in Macau? People are just walking around chomping on these things?

Unknown: Well, actually, you don't see them eating these. It's for the tourists.

Tommy: Okay, you got us.

Unknown: Tourist.

Tommy: She tourist-trapped us.

Josh: So no one said—

Tommy: this is—

Josh: this is why we love it here. We're like, oh, it's shortbread. It's like, yeah, it's shortbread. No, they're delicious. And so, have you ever bought these for yourself? No.

Tommy: It's a real troll, Karen. I'm back to Karen now. It's outrageous, but lovely.

Josh: Thank you.

Tommy: You've been travelling a lot. Yeah. Where did you go to recently?

Unknown: I went to Guangzhou and Taiwan.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And what's the situation like travelling when this coronavirus has been, you know, going on around the world.

Unknown: Just like talk about like what happened in Macau first.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, that'd be interesting.

Unknown: Um, so like ever since, because I worked in a school as an intern, and ever since the Chinese New Year's holiday started, the school has been shut down until now. Like it's still being closed and it's not going to be open until April.

Tommy: Is this Monash?

Unknown: Oh no, no, it's in Macau.

Tommy: Like school's in Macau because Monash in Melbourne, they're pushing their term back another 2 weeks because it's, yeah, all the people that are quarantined and they just didn't want to start all classes with, you know, 10 people and 20 people missing.

Josh: And so, what sort of school is it?

Unknown: It's an international school. And all the hotels and the casinos have been closed. Oh, really? Like, pretty much no one's out in the street.

Josh: And so, when you arrived—

Tommy: Even in Macau?

Josh: Wow. Imagine in China. And so, the So what's the vibe like, like walking around and stuff?

Unknown: It's kind of scary because Macau is— it's really popular with people. Like everywhere you go, there's a lot of people on the street. And then now it's just that silence. And then a lot of stores are closed and everyone is wearing masks. Yeah, that's like scary.

Tommy: Were you wearing masks?

Unknown: We have to. It's mandatory.

Tommy: Really? In Macau, mandatory? Wow. I just thought it's like people just getting around it.

Josh: This is—

Tommy: and so what, is there hand sanitizer everywhere? I saw, um, I think it was like, what do you call it, what's like fake footage from places? It's like, what's that, um, con— no, what's the word? Rain Man, you'd know it. It's like to sort of amplify the— it's, um, uh, fuck, there's a word that—

Josh: propaganda.

Tommy: Propaganda, yeah, of like drones flying, spraying spraying, um, hand sanitizer over places. You didn't see that shit?

Unknown: No.

Tommy: Okay, it was definitely fake. And so you— hands—

Josh: there is real stuff like that, like people like getting sprayed down like the front of their, um, but also in like the sewage system, those types of things.

Tommy: So you said— did you say that you went to Guangzhou?

Unknown: Yeah, but that was before like it all happened in December.

Tommy: Okay, I said that— yeah, last year, but it was still happening. And so You weren't worried at all?

Unknown: No.

Tommy: No. I mean, what about your friends? Have you got any friends that live in China?

Unknown: Uh, no.

Tommy: No. So, still Macau. But still, I didn't know that. I didn't know that they'd mandatory and—

Josh: And so, what— Because your mum works at a hotel, is it hard working at hotels at the moment?

Unknown: Yeah, I think, um, for a lot of the staff, you have to take turns to go into the office. It's like maybe like you have shift on Monday and then you have the rest of the week off.

Josh: Yeah, sounds right.

Unknown: People are just dying to go back to work because they have been closed off in their houses every single day.

Tommy: Really? Yeah. I saw Mum and Dad on the weekend and one of the first things it was like, oh, you know, talking about the coronavirus. And it turns out they've just been watching television because it's full on. Like, I was like, what are you watching? And then next minute, like, I watched a little Grab or something and it's like, you know, Italy is in lockdown, you know, all this shit. And I was like, exactly what I was after. Was that Dave Ellis' post? No, this was before that. Mum and Dad were on to it.

Josh: Four Seasons— sorry, not Four Seasons.

Tommy: Great condom brand though. And hotel chain. Just saying.

Josh: Four Corners. They did a great, like, piece of propaganda. No, video on the whole thing.

Tommy: Real, real one.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: What did you like about it?

Josh: What are you obsessed with the propaganda? What's the propaganda joke?

Tommy: It was the propaganda for Is your blood sugar that low that you can't remember?

Josh: Do you know what a propaganda— I don't know if you know what propaganda is.

Tommy: Well, it's like, could be—

Josh: It's created by the, like, a government or whatever.

Tommy: Fake, to create fake hype around something.

Josh: No, it's like, I think within the context of the China stuff. Yeah, I guess I get what you're saying.

Tommy: It's like heightened, like how crazy it is. Like Conspiracy Jimmy. My filter goes through my mate Conspiracy Jimmy because he's usually the first on a conspiracy. And he said to me on Saturday, it's not as bad as I thought. And that's coming from a guy that lives in the land of conspiracy. So it's bad, he thought, in regards to it going to collapse the economy, all this shit, you know, like it's, it's gonna be—

Josh: conspiracy, Jimmy, know how it's gonna go.

Tommy: Well, what I'm saying is he's tapped into the hyperbolic conspiracy world, which is Reddit. Yeah, 4chan, all that shit, right? So He's the one seeing the, you know, the solo people on YouTube, how you end up on some translated video of a guy in China talking about how, how bad it is. Like, that's where he started. That's where he was sending me at the start. And now he's like, it's not that bad. And so I was like, I, I'm almost— Yeah, sure.

Josh: Yeah, I believe maybe he doesn't know. Like, yeah, yeah.

Tommy: But I feel like they love knowing. They love it going bad. Conspiracy people like, told you.

Josh: Yeah, fucked. Well, I don't know how much it like pays to like fully freak out about stuff, but then also this whole thing of like the definition of a pandemic, like people are getting obsessed over, are we going to call this a pandemic or not? But the thing is like what the commentators are saying, because after I watched the Four Corners, then YouTube just kept playing. So on Sunday, we just went from Four Corners to reports of coronavirus. Yeah, like it just, it just keeps sending you all this stuff.

Tommy: Trying to see if I can pull up, like I'm getting pushed all these things in YouTube. I can't see it, but no, it makes sense. Fuck, I mean, I am—

Josh: what I am excited— I hope that it all works out. I'm excited for the possibility of doing a little bit of working from home, having sort of doing the, the podcast remote, maybe having to cancel a few meetings, we're done. But everyone's—

Tommy: all the business is just holding on.

Josh: Everyone's gonna feel for you. Like, that's part of it, right? Like, if we— I think we spoke about that the other day. It's like, you can have— there's probably a bunch of people who were, you know, their business wasn't great and now they complain. Yeah, yeah, the coronavirus.

Tommy: They had no excuse because their business was a piece of shit. Their bash is 2 years late. Yeah, but then they use coronavirus and the, you know, collapse of the economy is like, mate, my business was healthy.

Josh: Yeah, it was.

Tommy: Yeah. Anyway, that was lovely, Karen. Thank you, appreciate that. Um, yeah, how are you feeling?

Josh: Yeah, I'm good.

Tommy: Your blood sugar back up?

Josh: Yeah, yeah, I had some— I got a spoonful of ice cream before the show.

Tommy: You almost collapsed. It was shaking.

Josh: Well, it's, it's currently 2:45 and I hadn't eaten And I think coffee. I had coffee. And so I had that. Yeah, sort of mouth and dry mouth that makes me angry. And so I realised it was a dry mouth.

Tommy: But what was it? How did— how's it sound? Can you get that little bit? Funny face. Funny face.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: And so, yeah, so I was feeling a little, but I've gotten better. I said to 97, sorry that if I'm being rude, I'm just hungry.

Tommy: It's good.

Josh: It's a Which is a progression.

Tommy: Step in the right direction. Where did you learn that from?

Josh: Just self-awareness, you know. Um, is there somewhere I learned it from?

Tommy: No, I'm just thinking I'm going to, uh, the, the psychologist tonight.

Josh: Oh, because it was in March. Great.

Tommy: First session. Yeah, I got a cancellation.

Josh: Male or a female?

Tommy: Female.

Josh: And what have you looked up on her? What's her deal?

Tommy: I'm trying very hard not to All I want to do, I don't know if it's like the male in me is like, have all of my issues, I know the reason and the problem and where to fix them.

Josh: And so do I. So if she wants to call me, I can help you.

Tommy: But I think it's, I'm consciously like you are pointing out that you're a bit shitty because you haven't eaten. I'm consciously trying to not have any answer or work at anything or have any preconceived idea of who she is or what she is.

Josh: But what do you, what's her bio?

Tommy: What do you know about her? So I spent some time on her website. No, I actually couldn't find her website when I first booked it.

Josh: And then I, not good.

Tommy: I looked again and found it. And then I just went through it. She seems nice.

Josh: I mean, sort of did she say what sort of psychology?

Tommy: No, this is the thing. I haven't gone into that. I couldn't. You're wanting to have all the answers before you see them.

Josh: Well, no, because I'm curious.

Tommy: Because I'm going, what do I say to them? I'm like, Is it like, do I set her up? I got this crazy business partner, this young man, listen, I was 7 today, Karen and Rain Man were in the street. Like, how much? What do you, you know, you start thinking, do I have to outline all this stuff? Like, tell them about the podcast.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: You know what I mean? Would you? It's too much on my mind even thinking like that.

Unknown: Yeah.

Tommy: You nervous for me?

Josh: Yeah, I am. When is it? Tomorrow or tonight?

Tommy: Tonight, 6 PM.

Josh: So I gotta leave. That's exciting. Can you, can we speak? So every time Bri goes to the psych, like, she calls me straight away and I'm normally like, what did you say about me? Did you bring me up? She's like, yeah, she thinks that like you should go see your own psych. It's like anything. I'm like, I'm not going because she's— Bri's psychologist suggested her son as the psych— the psychologist.

Tommy: I was like, they can't talk for 7 years.

Josh: Is that the deal?

Tommy: 7 years of silence. It rhymes, but there's like a The code, it's like, yeah, a 7-year code. 7-year code.

Josh: That's not very long, so we'll still be doing the show.

Tommy: Maybe once, I hope it's once you finish with— it's not rolling.

Josh: What's the 7-year code?

Tommy: So doctors aren't allowed to talk about— it's doctor-patient privilege.

Josh: It's only for 7 years.

Tommy: Well, look it up. I heard it. The only— I'm not just talking bullshit.

Josh: You know about this, Rain Man?

Mason: Never heard of it.

Tommy: It was— I was at a party and there was a psychologist there that was pretty pissed and had some sort of I was like, I'll tell you in 7 years on something. And so I was like, oh, that's interesting. 7 years is how long they keep the info for.

Josh: I don't know about this.

Tommy: It feels like some holes, but I hope it's not holes because it came from a working psychologist.

Josh: A psychologist to say that I've got some dirt on someone.

Tommy: Give him 7 espresso martinis.

Josh: Yeah, no, I get it.

Tommy: You probably get them talking within 3 hours.

Josh: I get it. A mate went to the psych for the first time a few weeks ago, and the psychologist had a whiteboard and they were whiteboarding the whole session. She was drawing graphs and doing like a whole family tree.

Tommy: It was Mr. Squiggle.

Josh: It had that vibe.

Tommy: I mean, you either like it, it does something for somebody. I think I kind of want them just to talk to me. I've been to like couples counselling before, couples psychology.

Josh: It's, um, What was the lesson? What did you—

Tommy: Oh, it was my fault. No, but I think it's— I can't even remember, but there's a lot of just—

Josh: Guy or a girl?

Tommy: It was a woman.

Josh: A woman, yeah.

Tommy: Yeah, I quite like— I think I wanted a woman, but maybe I want a man. I don't know. Seb, do you find anything on the 7-year rule?

Unknown: Nah, I can't find anything on 7 years.

Tommy: Could be, um, client—

Josh: it's like lawyers, patient-doctor privilege or something.

Unknown: Yeah, yeah.

Josh: What is that? What's the deal with that?

Unknown: Well, I'm just trying to read through their, um, code of ethics.

Josh: Jesus, can tell how long, how many pages.

Tommy: But I even, I even find like, um, I think doing what we do, it's like she messaged me, she randomly emails based on her cancellation, gives me a few times. I tell them, do you have any outside of hours? So I didn't accept one of the times, and then they're like, no, sorry, we don't. Can you get one of those and then I get another email back saying I've got an opening at Monday 6 PM blah blah and then I'm like first of all so what do I need like I'm trying to almost be too organised what do I anything I need to bring what do I need to do you have to bring like a Medicare card or something that's it that's all it is but I think we're so used to like shoots and keeping things going it's like I need this that and you know so her processes aren't too dialled in absolutely not I didn't get a Cal invite okay I wasn't notified through Slack Yeah, yeah. Automated through a sound.

Josh: I would like that. I would like to have all that stuff. That's what I love about RBK, our accountants. I mean, he's got that shit dialled in.

Tommy: Getting a text message would be great. Like a, are you coming? Like, I got one from my hairdresser the other day. It's like, haven't seen your beautiful face in ages. And I was like, who the fuck's this?

Josh: Did they really?

Tommy: It said that, haven't seen your beautiful face in ages.

Josh: Did they spell beautiful B-O-O-T-I-F-L?

Tommy: Beautiful, beautiful.

Josh: The way you said it. No, the, um, okay, interesting.

Tommy: Hang on, I'll find it for you.

Josh: Well, so what I love about Bree's psychologist is the psych just, um, takes sides all the time. Like, you think of a psych as someone that's like, they should be like, ah, you know, well, what could you do better?

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And Bree, um, Bree comes out of her psychology like appointments, it's like, yeah, she thought that person was being a real bitch. Yeah, it's like, wow, like just fully, uh, slamming the, uh, I mean, people.

Tommy: Is there a counsellor partner privilege where you're not meant to?

Josh: Oh, surely I can. On the—

Tommy: I know, no, I think there's— it's trying to— it's like, I could imagine you calculate doing it kind of really calculated based on trying to like, this is the rapport builder. Me saying that equals rapport. And so they just like jump on that. But the people like the psychologists are humans too. Yeah, it might infuriate them. It's like, this person is being real.

Josh: Have you thought about coaching? Would you coach the psychologist? You would? Would you or no? How are you? That's what I'd lead with.

Tommy: How are you, mate? How's your day been? No, I don't know. I— yeah, this is— see, this is too much thinking about it anyway.

Josh: If they say like, what brings you here? Have you thought about what you would say?

Tommy: I haven't thought about what I'd say. Okay, that's probably a good thing because I feel like whatever I say first is not going to be what I actually— what they get to.

Josh: Sevs, do you think you ever go to a psych? What have you found?

Unknown: So you're meant to keep those, uh, the stuff indefinitely under confidentiality or until 7 years after their death.

Tommy: Oh, the person might have died that they were referring to.

Mason: Yeah.

Tommy: What about if they've just died to you?

Josh: They move the psychologist, they're like, dead to me.

Tommy: 7 years.

Josh: Interesting. Um, yeah, Sevs, do you reckon you ever go to a psych?

Unknown: Uh, yeah, probably. I would. Yeah, I mean, I would. I think I would like to. It's just, uh, just to chat through things. It's not, it's not like there are any real problems, it's just Isn't it being able to talk to someone?

Tommy: You sure?

Unknown: Yeah.

Josh: In Macau, what's the culture like with going and seeing someone? Do many people go to psychologists, Kaz?

Unknown: I think it's more like a taboo topic. Like if you are depressed or have like mental illness, it's often like frowned upon.

Tommy: You're a real pussy.

Josh: Yeah, it's horrible.

Tommy: That's fucked.

Josh: Kaz laughs, but she doesn't vocalise it, but she's smiling. So when you hear silence. Yeah, yeah. There we go.

Unknown: Thanks, guys.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, just like you can vocalise your laughs because otherwise you just seems like— Lift the volume on your laugh.

Tommy: You don't have to hold your hands over your mouth, you can laugh hard.

Josh: Yeah, yeah. Um, is that a taboo thing? Is laughing taboo or you can laugh?

Unknown: No, I'm just— It's a habit.

Josh: Okay, sure. Where's that come from, do you think?

Tommy: All right, step into the psychologist.

Josh: I enjoy this. You don't have to answer that, Kaz, but Um, do you— yeah, your answer will be held for 7 years after you do. Um, yeah, when you laugh, like, what are you thinking when you laugh?

Unknown: Um, I think like it's kind of like ugly to like have your mouth really wide open. It's like same thing as like you yawning and I'm not covering it. Sure, I do it as a habit.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, I think like, uh, and I've got issues. That's 97. It's actually a bit of a joke.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, I wish he took some of that thinking.

Josh: Could you imagine? That's even funnier. You got to watch the video, guys. Um, okay, interesting. And so the, um, have you noticed being in Melbourne that the chat around psychology and mental health, have you noticed a difference?

Unknown: Not really.

Tommy: Okay, notice conversation, the people at uni, are you any of your friends I think it's like you will get more support here.

Unknown: Like, it's easier to find someone that you can talk to. Like, the uni that I go to, they always say, oh, if you need anyone to chat to, here's the links and that's the phone number. But then in Macau, it's really hard to find that.

Josh: Interesting.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, fuck, I mean, I think it's been such a big piece of work in Australia around that. Yeah, you know, there's how many different foundations and sayings that are found, you know, that the name of the same— the name of the, the saying is the foundation. Chat to a mate.

Josh: Yeah, yeah. Well, it feels like there's like a bunch of those campaigns and things.

Tommy: Great, it's so good. Anyway, welcome to the future.

Josh: Have we got any emails or anything, or— Yeah, we've got the book, we've got the book club stuff.

Unknown: Yeah, do we also have a surprise?

Josh: I do. Did you have something to show us? Oh yeah, great.

Unknown: Do I show it now?

Josh: Yeah, sure. How does it work?

Tommy: What do we do?

Unknown: Um, I'll send the link over to your Instagram.

Josh: Okay, great. Ah, here we go.

Tommy: So this is live.

Josh: So we'll just— one of us will do it. Yeah, so you're just going to send it, Kaz, to the Daily Talk Show's Instagram?

Unknown: Actually, there's two, so like each of you can do one.

Josh: Okay, okay, great. All right, great.

Tommy: What do you—

Josh: I'll go on the top one, you go click on the bottom. Okay, okay, continue.

Tommy: Okay, I'm going bottom.

Unknown: Okay, is it working?

Josh: Oh, that's great, that's so cool. What is it?

Tommy: It is the—

Josh: look, the Daily Talk Show is on my face.

Tommy: Oh, it's a face tat. Oh, that's great, it's face tat. Oh, that's awesome.

Josh: It's like, um, Hayden Dibb but less permanent.

Tommy: That's great, Hayden Dibb, you should have waited.

Josh: So how did you do it?

Unknown: Um, remember like back, back, back ages ago, I did like a face filter thing for my uni and I asked you to do one for me.

Josh: Yeah.

Unknown: And then I sort of promised that I'll do one for the Daily Talk Show.

Josh: Yeah, I forget promises.

Tommy: Can you cheque on the— press the bottom link, save that, and Sevs will put it into the video. Uh, the second one, the link didn't work for me. It said I need to download the app to use because you've got old—

Josh: he's got old Instagram, I think. Here we go, continue.

Tommy: See if this— what's this? The studio. Oh, what is that? What's going on? Oh, what's happening?

Josh: It's confusing for you.

Tommy: Oh, oh my God. It cuts you out. So it's like you're on a green screen and it puts you into the Daily Talk Show studio. Oh, Rain Man's fired up about this one.

Josh: That is so good.

Tommy: It'll look good when you're out in the street. So how do you— how do people access these, Kaz?

Unknown: Oh, like, this is on trial. So like, once I have the proper logos and stuff, you guys can publish it and then the Grunks will have access to the link.

Tommy: Amazing. So we can put the link on our site and people can access it. So you could go—

Josh: you could be on the toilet and pretend that I'm doing the Daily Talk Show. Yeah, yeah, this is perfect. This is actually perfect for me doing the show from home. Do you think this is great?

Tommy: 15-second chunks.

Josh: This is so good. And, um, how did you like— how did you do the wood? How did you do the wood?

Unknown: I just downloaded like a bunch of wood panels from Google and then like I painted it.

Josh: Really?

Tommy: It looks pretty— it looks spot on.

Josh: It looks spot on.

Tommy: This is really good.

Josh: It's amazing. I love that. And what, what software did you use?

Unknown: Spark AR Studio.

Tommy: Amazing.

Josh: And, um, so then the next step is— so payment to Kez. Yeah, exactly. So you send the invoice, and so that's a, it's a test version you're saying?

Unknown: Yeah.

Josh: And then from here, what did you say the next step is?

Unknown: Um, I would have to send the files to you guys, and then you guys ever have to upload via the program, and then once Instagram approves it, then everyone can access it.

Josh: Okay, great.

Unknown: If Instagram doesn't approve it, you guys will only have 50 trials.

Tommy: Okay, 50 tries of putting it back up?

Josh: No, 50 try— like people being able to do it.

Unknown: Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: So is there a limit now, or is that—

Unknown: there's a limit now.

Tommy: So what are we on, do you think?

Unknown: 3?

Mason: Yeah, yeah, sure.

Tommy: I really want to send the link to a few people and get them to do something.

Josh: Yeah, sure.

Unknown: And so it won't take long to approve it, won't it?

Tommy: Don't reckon. I like the positivity. Uh, I'll tell the counsellor about that tonight.

Unknown: Great.

Josh: Uh, Rain Man, what's happening in the world of analytics? Nothing as cool as that. Yeah, what's, what's, uh, what are you thinking about in, in regards to podcast analytics at the moment? What's on your mind?

Mason: Well, the, uh, the sentiment analysis has been good. Yeah, yeah, looking at how positive and negative you guys are.

Tommy: Can I have this data before I go to the psychologist? Yeah, well, that's what I was thinking.

Mason: It can be a little, uh, little tool sheet for you.

Josh: And so what's the idea with the sentiment analysis?

Mason: Um, just to get an idea of, um, you know, whether there's a trend of, you know, positivity or negativity in the, in the episode or across episodes.

Tommy: So it takes all the transcripts, the words, and then links—

Mason: yeah, Google does its smarts and says, you know, you were really positive in that or negative in that.

Tommy: And how, um, what do you think, where does Gronkh fit on the positivity scale.

Mason: Yeah, I think we've got to train the AI to, uh, to work that out, to get around it.

Josh: Yeah, well, because it's pretty universal, isn't it?

Tommy: Well, if you're from Western Sydney, it's, it's a negative. It's negative. But if you're from the Gronkh Squad, it's, it's positive or it's negative. That's the, you know, the diverse nature of it.

Mason: It could be confusing the algorithm now.

Josh: So yeah, true. Well, I think always just reinventing the word. Yeah, I appreciate that, which could be good.

Tommy: Oh, that's good. And so, um, any sort of hint at what we are?

Josh: More negative or more positive?

Mason: Yeah, so I mean, generally positive, isn't it?

Unknown: Yeah, that's good.

Mason: Positive on the, um, yeah, there's some dips, some dips that we're trying to analyze.

Josh: So we'll, uh, what about today, Zepp?

Mason: Yeah, I don't know.

Josh: What do you, what do you reckon?

Tommy: Started the blood sugar, it's a, it's a clear sort of positive.

Josh: Yeah, all right, we're talking about, I mean, it might, it might pull coronavirus. I think that there's—

Unknown: that's true, it might pull out psychology Uh, was it pandemic? You used that word, I'm pretty sure.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, I did.

Unknown: Um, yeah, maybe it's negative actually.

Tommy: Imagine the future if they did this sentiment analysis on big data, so they captured everyone's conversations over phone, and then they were, you know, deploying out helpers to people that were in a negative spiral.

Josh: Well, Amazon just, um, they put together a patent request around the being able to detect in a user's voice of Alexa whether they're feeling happy or sad.

Unknown: Wow, that's cool.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And then what are they going to do about it?

Josh: I guess if you're feeling sad, we think about it from a purchaser's standpoint.

Unknown: If they're happy, they're more likely to make a purchase. Or it could be that sad thing where you just want to make yourself feel better and buy something.

Tommy: Yeah, I think it's more of that shit, more of the darker stuff.

Unknown: Yeah.

Tommy: That would make sense. What is Josh like? He loves— Yeah.

Josh: Or yeah, when I'm sad, it's like, okay, I got you. Yeah. Or maybe, or maybe it could be something like ordering you Uber Eats. Yeah.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: Something like that could work.

Unknown: I want it to cheer you up, Alexis.

Josh: Just— Yeah, that'd be great. Kaz, have you been listening to the show? It's okay if you haven't.

Unknown: Yes and no.

Josh: Okay.

Unknown: Well, actually, because I gave the stickers to my uni friends, I never thought that they would actually listen to the show. Really? And they actually do.

Josh: Really?

Unknown: Really.

Josh: Oh, that's good.

Tommy: That's cool.

Josh: And, um, any, any, uh, highlights from listening or watching lately? Anything that stands out? I can't think of anything, but, um, any favourite guests or any favourite moments, or even moments of rebuttal, things that you disagree with that you want to bring up?

Tommy: Oh my God, too many.

Josh: That's what I'm— Have you been watching on your computer or have you been— YouTube?

Unknown: How do people do this? Like, you just put someone on the spot.

Tommy: Yeah, he's a prick. He's an absolute prick.

Mason: Sorry about that, Kaz. The limo episode, that had a bit of a negative sentiment. All the sad chat.

Josh: A lot of eating, a lot of sad. That's true. That was very sad, wasn't it?

Tommy: Do we need a—

Josh: The alcohol, like 56 standard drinks or whatever. That was pretty sad. Do you drink, Kaz? Yeah.

Tommy: She's nodding yes. As she sculls a bottle.

Josh: What's your drink of choice?

Tommy: What do you like to drink?

Unknown: Well, like, I'm very new to drinking, so like beer and cider is now my go-to drinks. But then if my families are with me, then I'll go for like fancier stuff because they're paying. Yeah, exactly.

Tommy: I love it.

Josh: And so what was the, um, when was your first drink?

Unknown: Oh God, um, it was like a couple days before my 18th birthday. It was my friend's birthday, and then he got us shots.

Tommy: Oh wow, we're all good first drink start shots.

Josh: Cheers! This, uh, Bond Club.

Tommy: Well, I've— I shared on our Facebook group. I was actually— I was pushed an ad for Bond Nightclub here in Melbourne, which is on Facebook. That was on Facebook. It was a video. It sort of was dynamic. It then had like a dropdown of all their drink packages.

Josh: Dynamic, mate.

Tommy: It was, um, it had me until I saw $1,500 for a night And so does that include drinks? Yeah, it includes a lot of drinks.

Josh: How many drinks?

Unknown: Priority, unlimited.

Josh: How many people?

Unknown: Unlimited.

Tommy: Not unlimited, 1.5-liter bottle of Grey Goose, like a high-end, a nice bottle of champagne, shots, um, mixes, your own private booth, all of that.

Josh: Where is it?

Tommy: It's in the city. I've, uh, I once hosted an event there. I was the MC.

Josh: What did you want?

Tommy: Sit-down dinner. I wore a suit shirt. Borrowed? Nah, had one, still got it.

Josh: That's good.

Tommy: I only have one, actually got two, my wedding suit and another one.

Josh: So clubbing, Kaz and Rain Man, are you guys clubbers? Do you go clubbing? Kaz is—

Tommy: we're getting a nod from Kaz.

Josh: The audio platform, when you have headphones it'll be easier because you'll know.

Mason: Um, I am.

Josh: I really—

Tommy: Rain Man, you club, dude, bro?

Mason: Occasionally, yeah.

Josh: I feel like you may have had a DJ business in a previous life. That's the next business. And yeah, I could imagine like the exact beats per minute that gets the club going the best. Sentiment analysis.

Mason: Yeah, definitely.

Tommy: We just run a sentiment analysis on the club in real time.

Josh: What clubs are you going to?

Mason: Oh, like, what do you mean? Like the name of the clubs or the—

Josh: yeah, like what other things?

Mason: Like Brown Alley, maybe. That's like the main one in the city at the moment. And about how often it's going, it's for like a like a person, not a club. Like, I wouldn't go to a club for— it's for a DJ.

Josh: So yeah, following. So you like the DJs?

Mason: I like the DJs, not so much the club.

Tommy: He's got no— he's got no connection to a club. Like, he'll go to what club is required to club.

Josh: Have you heard of Grant Smiley?

Mason: No.

Tommy: Okay, he's too young.

Josh: We had him on the show and he's a very successful DJ.

Tommy: Was?

Josh: Is.

Unknown: He still DJs a little bit.

Tommy: Yeah, but he's just— that was the first time He said he hadn't been on the decks. That was like over New Year's was the first time he got back on the deck.

Unknown: Oh really?

Tommy: He's an entrepreneur.

Josh: President though, like always a president type of thing. But so, so what sort of DJs stand out for you at the moment? My favorite?

Mason: Yeah, Oliver Kolecki. He's a—

Josh: oh yeah, what's he doing?

Mason: He's, uh, just DJing, you know.

Josh: What sort of music though?

Mason: It's like, I guess, house music, but you know, doof doof.

Josh: And so house is like a hard bass?

Mason: No, it's more like, it's lesser like, you know, like you'd know like techno, which like, yeah, yeah, really, it's more like, more like normal music anyway.

Josh: There's more bass drops in house.

Tommy: The point of the Bond thing is that I put into the group saying, what do you think for Mr. 97's first nightclub experience? And there was a lot of yeses and quite a few nos. And I see their point in the nos and that point is that it's like, it's not, it's not a shitty club to start with. We all go to real dive, dirty, just doof clubs to start. So I think the other option from the high-end one, which is probably just more because I, I would probably prefer the higher—

Josh: As what do you think?

Tommy: Do you like the idea?

Josh: Will you come to the Bond nightclub if we have a beer?

Unknown: For me?

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tommy: If it's free for me.

Josh: Yeah, no, I get it.

Tommy: No, I appreciate it. I really appreciate So it's $1,500 for a booth.

Josh: And so how many people do we get in the booth?

Tommy: Well, maybe up to 10. Have a look, Seb.

Josh: I mean, that's what you said, we could do some video content and Kaz brought a gimbal.

Tommy: Well, I, so I emceed that event and was promised payment, and it was, um, wasn't for the club specifically, like a PR agency, wasn't it? And I never got paid. So technically they owe me a free booth. It was 2 grand outstanding, had to void the invoice. Only time I've ever voided an invoice in my life. Like one that was meant to be, did the job.

Josh: We had to void all data because I fucked up the number.

Tommy: Yeah, but no, I mean one that—

Josh: I understand what you mean.

Tommy: It was 2 years later and I'm like, I'm not fucking getting this one.

Josh: I didn't even know you could void. Like it was only the other day, it's great.

Tommy: So, alright, technically I'm owed.

Josh: So, Kaz, if you, um, if we can pay, you'll come along?

Tommy: The other option outside of the very expensive package at Bond is going to somewhere where we can have a bit of pool, somewhere where we can get our own area. It's not going to cost us—

Josh: no, I feel like Brain Man would be less into this.

Tommy: Shepparton.

Mason: No, I'm more into that.

Josh: Really?

Tommy: We can, we can go to one of the nightclubs that The Deck own. So there's Ballarat as an option, Geelong's an option, uh, Shepparton's an option, or Echuca. Tuka would be great. That's an option. So this, I'm sure we could organise some kind of—

Josh: That's like you're talking an hour to 3 hours away.

Tommy: Yeah, an hour to 3 hours. It'd be a weekend of it. Leave on Saturday, get home Sunday. Just.

Josh: Yeah, I don't know if I want it to be a whole week.

Tommy: No, you don't have to hang out with everyone. It's just one night. You just got to stay. You just can't drive home. And that's—

Josh: So you're doing this because it's cheaper?

Tommy: Well, it's also— Instead of like we're going to have to hire a minibus. No, it's cheaper, but it's also got more of that shitty, like, you know, Bond is the, you know, who comes? It's the rah-rah. It's if Leonardo DiCaprio came here. They've had some massive stars at Bond. The other places are sort of that more uni club.

Josh: What about the Hallam Hotel?

Tommy: Yeah, that kind of vibe.

Josh: You could do something in the southeast suburbs or something like that. That could be good.

Tommy: Hellum's Far.

Josh: And so would we— what I liked about Bond is the booth. Yeah, because it's just nice to—

Tommy: 10, 10, it's 10 in the booth. That's exclusive.

Josh: So 97 kaz.

Unknown: How wack is this? One free VIP waitress.

Tommy: Yeah, but that's fine, that's good, that's what you want. Okay, yeah, don't ever— don't talk club talk when you've never been to a club.

Unknown: Is that a waitress?

Josh: So yeah, what is— what's that photo?

Tommy: They come and give you drinks.

Josh: They, um, is it a little sleazy?

Unknown: Yeah, but it does sound like that. One VIP waitress.

Tommy: If we put forward a waiter, what makes half stripper, half— Yeah, no, they're not. You go to Vegas and it feels—

Josh: What's the difference between a waitress and a VIP waitress? I guess that's—

Tommy: Well, they're specifically looking after your— you guys. And so we had bottle service in Vegas watching Calvin Harris and we had an area and there was Cindy, whoever, a woman was like, looked after us really great. Like they make a lot of money through tips. They're fun. They're just like, hey, you have to tip on top of that $1,500. No, not here. Not here.

Josh: Promise?

Tommy: Promise, mate. You're paying a fucking premium.

Josh: But are they paying the waitress well then?

Tommy: Yeah, people get paid well here.

Josh: Okay. I just, I think that there would be, I feel like we're moving into a bit of a tipping culture. No, unless you're spending $1,500, I feel like there is a $500 tip. Yeah, that's what I'm feeling.

Tommy: That's what you got to do in the States. The tip was as much as the bloody bottle in the end. Yeah, it cost us shitloads of cash.

Josh: Kaz, are you going to any clubs or anything at the moment?

Unknown: None?

Josh: Like clubs? Nightclubs?

Unknown: Yeah. No.

Josh: What's, what's a club club versus a club?

Tommy: All right.

Unknown: No, uni club versus a club club.

Josh: Okay, and so a uni club, book club or night club?

Tommy: Very different clubs.

Josh: No, so the uni club, what's the uni club?

Unknown: Oh, I am part of the photography club.

Josh: Are you serious?

Tommy: Yes, legit book club versus nightclub. Anyway, to finish this off for the day, book club.

Josh: Yeah, the book club.

Tommy: You, um, wanted to do some kind of an update on where you can purchase this book. It's very exciting.

Josh: So the book is called Tiny Habits: The Small Changes That Change Everything. What do you think, Rain Man? I feel like you could get around this. A lot of stuff around, um, Uh, I mean, every page is just as tiny. This is what the book club is, how to automatic— how automatic is the behavior. Real interesting stuff. So anyway, '97.

Tommy: Where do you get the book from?

Unknown: So we'll set up a redirect. Go to thedailytalkshow.com/bookclub.

Josh: And is there a hyphen there?

Unknown: No, no, just one word. One word, book club.

Josh: Do I need to capitalise book or B or C?

Unknown: No, all lowercase.

Tommy: Do you need to explain what a redirect is, or was that just useless information?

Unknown: It should just work. So just go to thedailytalkshow.com/bookclub, and that'll redirect you to the Bookroom Collective, George's mum's bookshop, and you can purchase the book. We've got a— we've got our own page, which is actually under a category, so it's like children's fiction, non-fiction, The Daily Talk Show Book Club.

Tommy: Solid.

Josh: What do you think, right, man? Is that impressive?

Mason: We're basically—

Josh: yeah, from an SEO point of view, it's great. And so basically, buy the book if you need to buy the book. Go on there. Um, funnily enough, George's mum's name is Kaz, and so Kaz will, um, she'll, she'll wrap it and all that. Actually, I don't know if it goes into it.

Unknown: It'll be sent to you.

Josh: Thank you.

Tommy: Yeah, don't make promises.

Josh: It won't be wrapped.

Unknown: Yeah, I meant like it's, it's in like a big parcel, custom The Daily Talk Show wrapping.

Josh: Definitely not. Definitely not. But, um, no, we, um, you really need to dial in your propaganda.

Tommy: Let's look at propaganda before, because Josh is really trying to throw me in. I think it was a joke too. It was just like making fun of it.

Josh: Well, no, I just think that it may be because like they use propaganda in the war to— Yep, yeah, yeah, all of that.

Tommy: It was like intense fake news, right?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: No, so where am I going wrong with it?

Josh: I think that it was just like— So were you saying that the drones, like, it was propaganda Propaganda from somebody to encourage you. Would have to be the government. That's what was the confusing bit. The propaganda bit, I feel like only really works with the—

Tommy: Could it come from the American government? These American people talking about it?

Unknown: Doesn't have to come from a government.

Josh: Well, no, it doesn't have to come from a government.

Tommy: But my point is—

Josh: I don't know why you're trying to throw me under the bus.

Tommy: I'm trying to look at where I should put my head under the tyre.

Josh: No, I just, I was confused at first because I thought you were talking about fake news.

Unknown: Lin.

Josh: I thought you're talking about fake news. No, I just pull up. No, no, I was just like, no, I was trying to save your ass in regards to—

Tommy: Oh no, I'm just— I'm being silly using something like propaganda in something as silly as this. Anyway, so to get it—

Unknown: Yeah, yeah, information especially of a biassed or misleading nature used to promote a political cause or point of view.

Tommy: Yeah, so it is political. So it could have been right if I was thinking that the American government are putting this out there to shitcan the Chinese.

Josh: I get it.

Tommy: So I was almost right.

Josh: No, no, I get it. I do. Because like, is it fair to say, Kaz, this propaganda in China and stuff, it's a very sensitive topic?

Unknown: Definitely.

Josh: Yeah. What is the view? Like, is Macau— is it connected to China? Like, is there—

Unknown: it's part of China, but it's not really China. Like, we have our own government and our own currency, but then I think in 40 years from now, um, Macau become China.

Tommy: 40 years?

Unknown: 50, 40 years.

Tommy: Well, that's— Yeah, that's when it gets handed back.

Unknown: It was like the same thing with Hong Kong as well.

Tommy: Yeah, that's only recent. That's what's happening with all the— It was handed back from the British, was it?

Josh: And so, when people talk about propaganda in Macau, do you have to be careful or is it pretty open in regards to talking about stuff?

Unknown: I think it's pretty open. I mean, like, you never know who, like, goes missing because they said something.

Tommy: Right, Kaz, what do you say? Fucking hell, I'm going to the psychologist. No, I'm bringing this up.

Josh: It sounded like a threat.

Tommy: Sounded flat out like a threat.

Josh: That's okay. No, I appreciate it.

Tommy: No, it wasn't.

Josh: No, I'm just reading the room. Reading the room.

Tommy: It's all good. Oh, did we?

Unknown: Yep. BW from BA. Do you know who that is?

Josh: Yeah, it's Belinda Wall from Brand Amplified.

Unknown: Ah, that's, that's a good acronym. Guaranteed hashtag Gronk goodness, what a show! A brilliant daily format offering a huge variety of chats with all kinds of awesome humans, from budding business builders to global success storeys and everything in between. Love the unstructured ambiguity in each episode too, with true warmth, respect, and plenty of #Gronk banter. Tommy, Josh, and Mr. 97 put all guests at ease and reveal a heap of golden storeys along the way. Guaranteed good times. 5 stars.

Tommy: Great.

Josh: That was nice.

Tommy: Propaganda-free.

Josh: Great. I don't have an issue with it. It was more I thought you were talking about fake news, which it's part of. Part of it.

Tommy: It's more that would— could be more fake news than propaganda, to be honest.

Josh: But I know, but they can't— but propaganda, like they use fake news, obviously. Like that's the big—

Tommy: So I don't know where I went wrong.

Josh: I don't think you did.

Unknown: I think it was more—

Josh: I think I was thinking that you were saying a viral video. There was a viral video that came out. That's fine.

Tommy: We'll look at the sentiment analysis. It could have been severely negative what Josh spun at me, but we'll have to cheque with Rain Man.

Josh: What do you think, Rain Man?

Tommy: No, just— he needs to do the analytics.

Josh: Yeah, but what's your sense of it?

Mason: You can judge after you look at a bit of the data. Yeah, you can see where the episode's going.

Tommy: He's like Neo sees it in The Matrix.

Josh: What are you feeling? Sentiment score?

Mason: So it's been, it's been swinging, you know.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, but overall We'll say positive. Yeah, I'll finish with that one. That's a positive note to finish on.

Josh: It's like going to the— like watching the federal, um, elections. Yeah, they're talking shit half the time. Just like, we'll throw to John and he's like, yeah, I think it's, uh, it's all going good. And then they press a few buttons on a screen and then they—

Tommy: yeah, Hillary's definitely gonna win. Anyway, let's go. What's wrong, Sevs?

Unknown: Just—

Tommy: it was a thing. It was like they were throwing to people and Hillary— they were talking about Hillary she's definitely gonna win, guys. And then they came back and Trump won.

Josh: It's exactly what happened.

Tommy: So they're saying it actually could happen with Bernie. So like, people think Trump is definitely going to win based on what's happening at the moment, but then Bernie the dirty little dog will come out and beat him.

Unknown: Really?

Tommy: Hopefully. Hopefully. I wouldn't be— I wouldn't mind. Not that it does anything to me that I know of just yet.

Josh: Bring it up with the psych, maybe.

Tommy: I'll be bringing you up, mate, that's for fucking sure. And Lynn Jansen, she's gonna get a mention.

Josh: I haven't corrected you that much, it's, it's a single thing, right? Uh, it's a daily talk show. Um, if you enjoy the show, leave us a review on Apple Podcasts. Otherwise, uh, see you tomorrow. Yeah, we'll see you tomorrow, I guess. Bye.

Tommy: No, we will.

Josh: See you guys.