Hamish Blake On Parenting & Listening To Your Internal Dialogue

Hamish: The Daily Talk Show. It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 622, and we got Hamish Black back in the studio, back loosely touted to be on episode 500. Yeah, here he is, just a cool 122 late.

Josh: The thing about the show is we make promises, but promises aren't promises when we make them.

Hamish: Yeah, in podcast land, you know. I'm right there with you guys. I mean, me and Andy on our show, our show should basically be called Whims and Letdowns. It's just, we just, I mean, the thrill of a short-term morale-boosting promise just sounds so fantastic.

Josh: Exactly.

Hamish: But then our pockets are just full of me making things up I can't deliver.

Josh: It's the return tour if you decide you just come back and fulfil all the promises or the whims that you made.

Hamish: We don't even— we can't even keep track of them. Occasionally we get listeners like writing and going, hey, didn't you guys say that by the end of the year you would put something in space? Yeah, we did. They obviously needed something, a cool-sounding thing to wrap up that episode.

Tommy: Elon Musk, like, surely he's making a lot of promises that he's not delivering.

Hamish: Is he just his business model?

Tommy: Yeah.

Hamish: Wasn't that like 10 years for Tesla? Like the first 10 years of Tesla were like, oh God, it's just, I mean, just about to put the final hubcap on. You're going to love it.

Josh: He's digging holes. There is tunnels under LA, but I haven't heard anything more of it.

Hamish: It's happening out the back.

Josh: Today, Ham, is Fat Fridays. It's where we celebrate the end of the week with our favourite food.

Hamish: Yeah, great.

Tommy: So we got 97 to organize. So what have you got, Seb?

Hamish: Well, today, Hamish, you'll be eating hot wings with ranch sauce, a prawn pad thai, a double cheeseburger, loaded fries, double glazed donuts. I hope I'm getting a kickback for this from Uber Eats. This is my Uber Eats ad. A strawberry shake to wash it down, and obviously a salad and a Monster. He's onto it.

Tommy: Thank you, Harry. Can you please get all the food?

Hamish: Are you joking?

Tommy: I mean, no, we went too far.

Mason: Well done.

Hamish: You literally fulfilled my Uber Eats ad.

Tommy: So we did the— yeah, there we go.

Hamish: Yeah, thank you. You've covered the branding on the camera. Yes, great. Good, good, good.

Tommy: Okay, great. Do you think this would Okay, so there's this, so there's the milkshake, there's— we've got the Monster. I don't know what you can have, smash, smash whichever one.

Hamish: It's nice that you've got the Monster. I think if you watch the ad, it's because I go, and a salad, I go, I'm not a Monster.

Josh: Well, we spent 5 minutes analysing it.

Hamish: I thought it sounded crystal clear to me because I go, oh, and a salad, I'm not a Monster.

Tommy: Because that's like, the Monster was the most expensive bit. We got this at 7-Eleven.

Hamish: That was 15. Why would I get a Monster?

Tommy: I just got some loaded fries.

Josh: I'm just getting out everything so we can Chicken.

Hamish: Oh, this is insane. I mean, no one likes hearing people eat on radio, but do you know how hard it is to get a pad thai at 11:30? I mean, this studio is literally opposite one of Melbourne's best Thai restaurants.

Josh: It doesn't open till 11:30, and we couldn't have that risk of it not coming.

Hamish: So look at that.

Josh: This is the double.

Hamish: I think that's the salad. This is awesome. This is a salad because it looks like a lot of fried chicken.

Josh: Yeah. And so we've got the next 30 minutes for you to eat every bit of food here.

Hamish: I'm down with this, although I just had a bit of that chicken. It's a little bit cold.

Tommy: It's really hard to dial in time.

Hamish: I'm not even going— you guys, it sounds— what I've realized, what it just reminded me of, is I've got a thing about— and I'm not having to go here at the quality of the food either, but low quality fried chicken does something to my guts. Really crazy food poisoning. Even if everyone eats the same stuff, the times I've had horrific food poisoning, it's been like a bad nug or a bad chicken burger. High-end stuff, you're fine.

Josh: I've just realised we don't get people to sign before they eat. We do Fat Fridays every Friday, and what if someone got sick from something we'd put together? Did you ever think about that during radio?

Hamish: Like, yeah, this is the Wild West, do whatever you want. You just broadcast on the dark web, you can poison people.

Josh: Limited audience of drug dealers on the dark web watching our show.

Hamish: Assassins and drug Dealers love Fat Friday.

Josh: Yeah, yeah. There's a lot coming from Russia watching our show.

Hamish: Here's the thing. I mean, this could come back to bite me, but the—

Tommy: The blue shorts?

Hamish: I mean, blue shorts, like loaded fries could drop on my blue school uniform shorts. But we did this thing once on the radio show where we wanted to eat the board at Macca's because growing up it was like a thing. It was talked about. Can you eat the whole board?

Josh: Yeah.

Hamish: And we're like, yeah, should we do it? Should we do it? And we decided together, me and Andy, like one episode, we just eat the board at Macca's, do the show from McDonald's. We're going to eat the board. Then it became a huge argument because when we, when we were at high school, that was like '99, there was a much smaller menu. It was much more possible to eat the board. Since then it's like you got the Angus stuff, you've got wraps, all the wraps, all the salads, like the dessert menu's tripled in size.

Tommy: This is spicy too, by the way.

Hamish: Happy with those spicy wings?

Josh: Well, he said spicy.

Tommy: Yeah, no, it's good.

Hamish: Like it came down, it came down to choosing— an argument erupted over what we would decide, like classic and original. That was the definition. So we're not going to do Angus.

Mason: Okay, we're not going to do— what about the double cheeseburger?

Tommy: Double cheeseburger.

Hamish: That is classic. Double cheeseburger was on the classic.

Josh: Triple cheeseburger?

Hamish: Not original.

Tommy: Pounder? No, that's—

Hamish: Quarter pounder, yeah, for sure.

Tommy: Pounder.

Hamish: Oh, pounder.

Josh: No, no, no, you get it.

Hamish: These are all the ones you can invent. That's create your taste.

Tommy: Okay.

Hamish: Yeah, yeah. Rookie. Do you remember it? The board?

Tommy: Do you remember the creator? So I did an Instagram— I've never spoken about it, but I did an Instagram post maybe about 5 years ago.

Hamish: Oh, you did too, about how impressed you were.

Tommy: I was just like so pumped about it. It was the first time I said, this is a game changer. This is going to be the next McCafé.

Hamish: It was very much unsponsored content.

Tommy: And it was. And then you were emceeing a Macca's event. Yeah. And you sent me a photo of their market— their head of marketing was doing a big keynote and was like, this is what people are saying.

Hamish: It's taken off. Like, here's a random selection of messages. And I was like, oh, has it really taken off? In my head I was going, oh, that's interesting. That's because, you know, my mate Josh, he was even writing about it. And literally it was Josh's Instagram post about Macca's. That was kind of the only one that had made it up at at that stage because I don't think the average McDonald's customer is like racing like you are to go, I would like to spread the word here about a great marketing idea. And this is an excellent step up for the corporation.

Josh: I mean, it was the first and only time you had it, right? That one time.

Tommy: I did it a few times, but I did the same thing with Domino's. The guy Don, who's like the CEO of Domino's. Don Eno's. He's got a very interesting name.

Hamish: Don Eno's.

Tommy: It should be.

Josh: He's charismatic.

Tommy: He's very charismatic. And he's always on Instagram.

Hamish: I think the Arnie Donner boys are good friends with him because I think they did a thing on their podcast about— I think they went to the Domino's head office. I think they worked for an episode.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Well, that's a dream. Yeah.

Tommy: No, but he, yeah, he's very charismatic and he got me on there. We started doing these all-natural thick shakes. Yeah. And so I just got obsessed for a long time. So I am someone who leans into brand evangelism when I'm not getting paid.

Hamish: Yeah, I really appreciate it. What I was going to say with Maccas was the eve of eating the board, we have this argument over the chicken and cheese. So the McChicken's in. Yeah. Chicken and cheese. No worries. Like chicken and cheese, sorry, was controversial because we're like, well, that is a newish burger. I don't remember the chicken and cheese growing up.

Josh: Isn't it McChicken?

Hamish: It's a McChicken with cheese.

Josh: Never heard of it.

Hamish: So me and Andy dividing up the board. Who's going to do what? Like, Andy, you're going to do Big Mac. I'll do a Quarter Pounder, right? I'll do the McFeast. Andy, you're on double cheeseburger. And we're kind of like selecting what half of the board would do. I'm going, let's do the chicken and cheese. And he's like, no, no, you're crazy. We've got too many burgers. We're not going to get through them. That's not classic and original. I'm like, I love chicken and cheeses. We're going to do it. Someone, one of their producers went off to buy one, was like, oh, this will be a good idea. We're talking about like quarter past 4, show ends at 6 o'clock. They go off and buy one. They get stuck in traffic. They come back. It's like an hour later that I get this chicken and cheese. And we weren't— we like, we'd stopped talking about it, but then we're like, all right, last few minutes of the show, Andy, we got a chicken and cheese. I'm going to taste it and tell you if it's classic, original, whatever. Just bit into it. And again, I'm not having a go at Maccas here, but it was freezing cold and my mouth just went, uh-oh, that's the bad— that's the thing that like cold, like fried chicken does something to me that doesn't do to other people because other people were eating the Maccas they got from that store.

Josh: So, is it in your head?

Hamish: I don't know what it is. It's like it carries a key within it that unlocks some sort of bacteria in my gut. That night I just vomited for 6 hours. I had to call off eating the board. Was just violently ill. Had to postpone it to the Monday. I mean, it just got me at the last. And for a second when I had that chicken, I was like, uh-oh, that's my kryptonite. Freezing cold chicken is my kryptonite.

Josh: I know someone that says that tuna in a can gives them cold sores and there's something in it that gives them a cold sore.

Hamish: It sounds crazy, but I understand knowing I can't describe it any better than a key in a lock because everyone else eats it often when this happens. Yeah, like I had food. I got food poisoning one time at LAX. And we were flying home, like when I was, you know, years and years ago, I was like 23, and I could just feel it. And it was from a bad— it was from a bad bunch of nachos, chicken nachos.

Tommy: Oh no, you don't even need to add the protein to nachos.

Hamish: Yeah, just chips is enough.

Josh: What's your diet nowadays? I mean, you're looking lean, you're looking—

Hamish: you set up great. Setup's great. Um, I don't know if this was recorded or not, but before we set up, I realised this morning I took my son to school and I'm in shorts and white tube socks and sneakers and a jumper. That's kind of the school uniform. Was that my son's primary school. So, and I was— I taught him down ball this morning too.

Mason: Okay.

Hamish: So we found a tennis ball and we were like, oh, we got 10 minutes before school starts. I said, do you know what down ball is? And he's like, no. He's just started prep, so this is all fresh. And I showed him down ball.

Tommy: And I don't even know down ball. Is that, is that a poison ball?

Hamish: No, well, you hit it against the wall and you tap with, with your hand.

Tommy: Oh, that's called, um, foursquare.

Hamish: No, no, that's called down ball, Josh. It's tennis without a bat. I'm so sorry, you had a Sheltered upbringing.

Tommy: Two square, if it's two squares.

Hamish: This is an unsquared game. You just need a wall.

Tommy: Okay, a wall and a ball. But it's called Downball. There's no mention of the wall in the name.

Hamish: Well, you're hitting the ball down into the ground, it bounces up, and you know, the wall's there to rebound the ball. You don't mention squash.

Tommy: It's basically squash without a racket.

Hamish: It's not squash. No, it's Downball. Like, you don't mention the ground, you don't mention your hand, and you don't mention the sky. The breathable atmosphere. There's a whole bunch of things that are present that you don't mention, but you just mentioned the ball going down. And that's what it's called, it's called Downball.

Tommy: And so you did play it just with Sonny then?

Hamish: Yeah, well, I mean, I was playing before school and he was right into it. And then I realised we were in the year 6 area, like, you know, I don't know, he's in prep, we're in the year 6 area.

Josh: Yeah, but there was a big kid there, 6 foot 4.

Hamish: And I think they were looking, they were like, they were giving me a bit of stink eye, but I had the feel of being the biggest year 6, so I was allowed to be in there.

Josh: Mate, year 6s felt huge when you were Prep or grade 1.

Hamish: The other night we had the welcome barbecue for the primary school. We're at the barbecue, kids going crazy because like for a lot of them it's the first time they've had lemonade or whatever and it's late. My— and so Sonny's like, they're all wrestling around on the playground. He bumps into one of his friends and she's got a brother in year 4. She thought Sonny pushed her or whatever. He comes over, he sees it, he goes, you push my sister? He's like terrified. No, no, no, no, what's going on? And then he like stamped on Sonny's foot and he was like, I mean, if you got my— if you push my sister, I'm gonna get you. Sonny's like, freaking out, coming to me because— and I remember it's like when you're in prep, if a Year 4 says I'm going to get you, that's like a bikie saying I'm going to get you.

Josh: They're holding a shiv.

Hamish: You're like, I might have to move schools. We haven't got to the welcome back yet. Called it off, sorted it out.

Tommy: What did you do? Because I feel like I'd be like, 50, here you go.

Hamish: Yeah, I'd be like, I hired some Year 6s to beat him up. No, I just said, you just gotta, you gotta explain it to him, mate. I didn't want to step in. I mean, that's the moment when you go, do I step in here and go Don't worry, we'll go and sort this out with him. But, you know, you just step back because basically you want to tell— you can't, but you want— you spend the whole time wanting to tell your son, mate, literally, I remember 3 things from the 7 years I was at primary school. So none of this matters. Nothing matters.

Tommy: Like, this won't be one of them. Downball.

Hamish: Yeah. Yeah. One of them was the rules of a game called Downball, which is against the wall. I was like, so you always want to say to him, mate, no one cares. No one. There's none of— nothing that's happening will ever be remembered. But you have to be like, I understand it's big for you now. Just go and chat to him. You'll sort it out. And they were able to sort it out.

Josh: Being a parent's super triggering. Yesterday I rocked up to daycare and Katie, the teacher, said, Tommy, can I have a word to you? And automatically my heart's going, don't you— You know, like it's because I got told off a lot.

Hamish: All right.

Josh: And then she said—

Hamish: So you went— There'd be two schools of thought here. Like one is like your little boy has done something wrong or he's gifted.

Josh: Exactly. Well, you can be the judge. She said, can you please have a word at home with Bodhi to tell him that pissing on the ground and laughing is—

Mason: It's not okay.

Josh: Okay, so he's there and he got all the other kids, he's pissing onto the floor. Oh, inside?

Tommy: Yeah, inside.

Josh: Well, they're so—

Hamish: I mean, I'm going to say, I don't want to be harsh, you're not gifted. Unless there's some other— unless he's like teaching them fluid dynamics or something.

Josh: He had the kids laughing, mate. It's what you do for a living.

Hamish: That's true, actually. Maybe gifted. Maybe he's learned early, go for cheap laughs.

Josh: But it is, I felt like at that moment, triggered. But then I was like, no, that's not okay. You can't piss on the floor. Yeah, you can piss in the garden, but not on the—

Hamish: well, I do There is a weird amount of public pissing at daycare and stuff like that. Kinders and stuff now, I was surprised when I remember walking in and like all the toilets are like mini toilets, but they're very open. It's like a prison cell. There's no cubicles. Yeah. Like one of the daycares that we were using is like, you are— it is a prison cell. Like you are just pissing in an open toilet with no walls around it.

Tommy: Yeah. It's a good skill because I struggle at the trough.

Hamish: And in like imprisoned conditions, teaching kids like, this is what it's like in jail, so you might as well get used to doing your shit now with everyone watching.

Tommy: I think that's a really good skill. Yeah, like even doing sort of the squatting toilets or whatever, um, like the wet toilets in Southeast Asia. Yeah, I've fucked that so many times. I walked once when I was wearing socks and it was like nightmare.

Hamish: Yeah, I feel I've never been able to nail it. You have to take your pants all the way off.

Tommy: Yeah, so you're meant to like, ideally you take your— yeah, you take your clothes because I cannot get the angle right.

Hamish: Maybe my body doesn't fold upright. Where if I have put my pants around my feet, like when we've been travelling and stuff, and when you have to go to a squat toilet You put your pants around your feet, I squat down, my ass is right above my pants. This— I haven't done anything. I haven't created any clearance or leverage. Yeah, I think you gotta take your pants off. And then you need— I feel like you need a handle in there to lean back on.

Tommy: Do you talk to, like, when you have a kid, do you talk about, uh, toilet stuff? Because I feel like I, I'm 29, but I'm still extra cautious about getting piss on my shorts. Like, and I've got this, like, feel like always trying to— I remember Googling it many years ago and worked out that if you just tap your gooch after you piss, you can get any extra little bit of fluid that's potentially there.

Hamish: I think, I actually think this is gross, but I think physically you're never going to completely empty the tube, are you? Well, I feel like that's a new part of life. Isn't the actual muscle that stops urine coming down, I feel like that's right back up in your body.

Josh: It's right in there. Yeah.

Hamish: So aren't you, you know, it's that thing you have like with a straw, like with a milkshake where you put your thing over the top and you can get a straw full of fluid.

Mason: Yeah.

Hamish: I feel like you're always kind of that's that feature. So we've all got a little bit of pee I think you're always going to have it. I mean, you've got to try and use Shake, you can use paper if you want, but I reckon no matter what you do, something's going to get out.

Josh: Well, so what we're talking about is young, they're not— they don't understand, they haven't been affected. You get middle-aged, you care about it. As you get older, you don't give a shit, you're pissing yourself, whatever.

Hamish: Probably, yeah, probably peaks around about, yeah, your teens, doesn't care about. But you— I mean, the general rule is you just go like, watch out for where it's got germs in it. Like, you know, don't touch the public toilet lids. Just be careful. Don't touch anything in here. Okay. Even though urine is sterile, that's the part of, you know, you have that parent thing where you're like, I could teach him a fun fact here. Like, this will confuse it. Wee's dirty. Don't touch it. Just don't get it on you.

Tommy: When you go to a toilet and there's the option of cubicles or going to the trough. Yeah. Are you always like, I wish I had the confidence to always. Which guy, eh? Yeah. Which, yeah. Where do you, where do you land?

Hamish: Do you know what? Honestly, I mean, I've got no issue with the trough, but if I've just had, if I've just been busy and I need a bit of quiet time, I'll take a cubicle. I'll stand, but I'll just be like, I just want to be alone for a bit. I just like to be, I mean, I came in here for a break. Usually you go into the toilet for a bit of a break, a bit of a timeout. And so if I just feel like it's a bit of a hectic day, I'll take a cubicle just for a wee. And I know people can hear me just weeing in the cubicle.

Tommy: And that's fine.

Hamish: And they'll judge me. And you can do it. You're allowed to. That's what toilets are. I don't know why there's this big thing about you know, don't go to the cubicle to wee. I mean, that's what we do at home all the time. That's how I wee at home.

Josh: I mean, I'm a sit-downer to wee. I can't be bothered. I just want that rest time.

Hamish: I said, if I go for a wee during the night now, yes, I'm getting old and like my back hurts. I was like, I'll sit.

Josh: It's good.

Hamish: I'll sit at night because you can have a micro sleep while pissing. Yeah, it just feels a lot more relaxed.

Tommy: But also you don't have to even turn the lights on necessarily. Exactly.

Hamish: You know what's true, actually. That's your guaranteed accuracy.

Josh: We were having a meeting with our accountant, the first one, Josh, not couple of days ago, but we were all busting and I found myself at the urinal with the accountant. And it's just like, it's where you can't just— being silent is a bit weird. As much as I don't get weird in silence much, I was like, we continued our conversation.

Hamish: Okay, that's good. And so when are we going to get to the stage where we just have a boardroom table with 3 toilets around it? We can all shit and piss and chat in total comfort. That's what they're teaching them.

Tommy: Next step is a table What have you learnt as a parent that you've had to relearn? Like, what does Sonny care about that you didn't realise was a thing?

Hamish: Good question. The, I mean, just general levels of interest. I mean, going back to what we're talking about before about going, your impulse is for everything to go, oh mate, who cares about this? No one cares. Like realistically, this, whatever this issue is in the playground, this will register nothing in your long-term memory. Although you do know that you remember some weird stuff when you were a kid. So, you know that like the danger is that you're going to like brush everything away and you don't want to grow up going, "Mum and dad don't understand the things that are important to me." So, you're always on the thing that I'm always doing is just trying to go, is this like, how can I go, "I totally understand this is important to you now," but at the same time be sweeping it away as fast as I can. So, that's the skill I reckon I'm probably working on the most.

Tommy: You have to be a good cop, bad cop. Like, do you say, "Okay, Zoe, can you play that?" I'm going to play this.

Hamish: I like playing. Like, it's fun to play. I'm sure you're the same, Bodie. Like, it's fun to get back into that world of being at playgrounds and playing and play down ball and just having a tennis ball suddenly is like you're back to going, this is a great half an hour. If we just got a tennis ball, let's throw it around and find stuff to do with it.

Josh: Our neighbour bought Bodie a blower for his third birthday.

Hamish: A leaf blower.

Josh: Annoying, but also so cute because it's half the size of him. He's just blowing leaves. Yeah.

Hamish: Everyone. I mean, I don't have a Roomba. I feel like you would have a Roomba, Josh.

Tommy: No, we've got I've got a Dyson Roomba.

Hamish: Does that have a wall?

Josh: Is that— you've got a wall involved, or what do you mean?

Hamish: Do you clip it on the wall? Well, I mean, something— I've discovered something way better than a Roomba, which is—

Josh: yeah, so hang on, a Roomba is a vacuum?

Hamish: The robot vacuums that go around your house.

Tommy: Did you think it was a ball game?

Josh: I was joking that it could have been a ball game. Oh, it sounded like it.

Tommy: Well, derailed things.

Hamish: Well, we're tied. It was worth the risk. It was worth a shot. Look, I'm gonna have a bite of my hot If you've got a 5-year-old that gets obsessed with a Dustbuster like Sonny does, that's a Roomba. That is a good Roomba because I'm like, here's the Dustbuster, find that, like find it, hunt, hunt, find whatever you can. And then for like 10 minutes he'll just be like looking under couches and trying to vacuum everything up. It's amazing. I've got a free cleaner.

Josh: But the Roomba also doesn't dirty, whereas a kid will.

Hamish: He's walking around with sneakers and he's pissing on the floor.

Tommy: But they actually smear— those Roombas can smear shit as well.

Hamish: That's true, actually I take it back, you're not the kind of guy that would have have a Roomba, you're the kind of guy that would have a few issues with the Roomba, have assessed it deeply and decided against it. You're waiting for Roomba Mark 12.

Tommy: But also bigger spaces, I think, could be, yeah, could be good. I mean, the reason why you're here is obviously to promote your podcast, Hamish and Andy.

Mason: The Hamish and Andy Show.

Hamish: You know, get it, get it from your favourite podcast pipe. That's, get it all, we're all podcasters piped.

Tommy: I mean, you've, you've managed to have a career where you can start When's the first episode?

Hamish: March? Usually we launch at March Eve, which of course is the 29th of Feb. But this year we've had to push it just for a few logistic issues into next week, March 6th.

Tommy: I think it's next Thursday.

Hamish: Yeah. Oh man, I don't want to bore everyone with it, but a few budgetary issues. Just getting all our ducks in a row. So yeah, a bit of a later start this year, but traditionally March Eve. Is when we celebrate the return of the podcast.

Tommy: What do you, what do you do in the meantime? I think for a lot of people, right, you get to see you do the podcast, you see you on LEGO Masters, all this sort of stuff. What's like that time in between for you?

Hamish: Well, I mean, you know, it's like podcasting, you guys, we're hot on your heels. I mean, you do it daily. We're pretty close to— we sort of do it weekly, 40 weeks a year. So very close in that sense. You barely get time to breathe, you know, get home, take your shoes off, stretch a bit, wash your socks, get back, you know, straight back on the bike. In between that, in between those 40 days a year that we're busy podcasting, you know, I'm personally, my mantra, I mean, like, I like, I much prefer a project that kind of is like intense for a month or two and then nothing. Like my goal in life, especially at this time while I've got young kids, is to not be busy. Like, I think when people are like, yeah, man, I'm keeping busy, just trying to stay busy. I'm like, that sounds like the worst idea in the world to me. I'm very anti-busy. So my goal is actually to try and do very the least amount of work for the most amount of reward.

Josh: I think you hear a lot of people say, I mean, Jules Lundy saying, you know, what he wants in the future, that zero, like doing nothing. What's your mind doing? Because you have come from a when you were super, super busy. I mean, when you're trying to create the career that you want and there is a busyness to that, what is the mind saying when you do have the time? To not be busy?

Hamish: I mean, I think it probably just comes a bit with age, but it's more just about enjoying the present, about being present. And having kids definitely changed the game a bit for me in that. We're like, I, if today I'm in the backyard and we're feeding some, like a broken doll, a stick. And if I'm doing that with my 2-year-old, like, I love that. Like, that's a very happy, rewarding day for me. Whereas I suppose that, you know, like our careers were pretty intense in our 20s. We would pedal super hard. For— and I guess the idea was like the reward was delayed. Like, it was really fun doing it. We loved doing it. We didn't have other things we felt like we were giving up to do it. And we made that decision and you wouldn't change it. But you were also like, oh, well, you know, you're putting in the work now for some sort of delayed reward. But for me, the goal is to not fall into that trap of kind of going, I'll have fun later on when I'm finished working. To go, I know, I know in my heart that I'll get to 70 and go, I'll give anything to be 38 again. Everyone would. But, and so I'm trying, I do try live a lot in that sort of mindset of just going, this is a— this is like, I've got right now what I know I will give anything for in the future, which is like an afternoon with a 2-year-old.

Josh: Yeah. Sebs, you were just looking at last episode that we did with Haim, episode 100. Something you said in that— have you got the audio or just—

Hamish: it's only been 5:22 since I've been—

Josh: yeah, yeah. But can you just play a little bit of that?

Tommy: Yeah, sure.

Hamish: Then we'll talk about It might be the thing that you needed to do 630 episodes of before the penny dropped and the light went on and suddenly something became so obvious to you that you couldn't believe you didn't think of it 630 shows earlier.

Josh: But so basically you're right off, we're done. The show's finishing in 8 episodes.

Hamish: I wonder what it's going to be. What's the— what penny's going to drop? Well, and also, why did we— why does it sound like we're on AM radio?

Tommy: I was actually very nervous because we specifically don't get 97.5 to play audio. Can we just You did well.

Hamish: This is good, this feels like, this is like slick, let's pull up the archive.

Josh: And it sounded like a flashback.

Tommy: The reason why it sounds shit is because you played it through the transcriber, didn't you? Yeah, yeah. So we have a transcriber, yeah, that like logs all the— exactly.

Hamish: And so that did sound like it was us live from the Berlin Olympics.

Josh: But I, I've thought about that a lot. It's like the thing we're doing right now might not be the thing we do in the future, and it might not but it will get us there. That's it. And so for you, the Hamish Andy Show, where you're at now, what is that? What is that thinking? Looking back on your career, how does that sit? What is that? What do you think about?

Hamish: I feel extremely lucky to have done all the stuff we've done and to still have the things we've got yet to come in the future.

Mason: The—

Hamish: I mean, for me, a big part of life is basically like the storeys you get to tell, like your adventures, your memories. I kind of think that's all that's going to count in the end is like what sort of adventure you were able to go on and what sort of fun were you able to have with the people you love and care about and, you know, what we had to learn and what we're— hopefully you're able to teach your kids and pass on to them. So I'm extremely lucky because I think that, that world, especially through the radio show days, gave us a huge scope to sort of meet fascinating people and go to fascinating places and, and face good, useful pressures, like the pressures at the time we thought were huge and we could, you know, battle them and still have fun and stick together and maintain our friendship and all that sort of stuff. So I think we learned— I'm really grateful that we were in that, that, that sort of hectic environment. And, and that's what it is for me. That's the legacy, that legacy. We got to have that much fun. And it's kind of like when you talk to 18-year-olds and you go, you know, they're full of all these ideas about what they want to do when they grow up and stuff. And you're like, guys, you don't understand that all the storeys you make in like the next 5 years, like the hijinks you get up to, that's going to be like 80% of your storeys for the rest of your life.

Tommy: Yeah, true.

Hamish: Because when you're 38, you— we're all still talking about stuff we did when we were 22.

Tommy: This is what I'm saying to you. Happy Harry. I'm all like, I'm— I feel like I also project myself on onto him because you're 18. What are you thinking about right now from a storeys perspective? Like, do you feel like you're at the beginning of something?

Mason: Yes, but then I've also got some projects that I've done in the past that I want to continue. And that's what I'm struggling with, is working out when to end something, if you know what I mean. Like, how— stop beating the dead horse in a way.

Josh: 630 eps is usually a good ballpark.

Hamish: I mean, if it feels like a dead horse, stop beating it. It feels like a live horse, don't beat it either. But I mean, there's a difference between putting— you know, I, I got given some good advice too, which is sometimes we go, ah, you know, I've got a, I've got to I've got to stop everything, like I've got to quit my job, like move away to like focus on this thing that I'm trying to do. You usually don't have to do that. You usually do have time to do the new thing, but you're scared or there's a fear, not necessarily you, Harry, but like generally there's a fear holding us back. So, we sort of blame the other stuff that's in our life for holding us back for the thing we want to do. When realistically, we've probably got time to, almost certainly got time to do both. Because as we all know, like one good solid hour, especially in our industry of work, work is, you know, you can write a whole concept for a TV show or you could like come up with an idea for a film or like 1 hour of producing a great idea could set you up for years. So you've always got an hour. It's not that you actually, you have another job doing something you like that's getting in the way of that magic hour. It's just that you are using your other commitment as a, as a, as an easy excuse to why it hasn't happened yet. So I got given some good advice too, which is like, if you want to do something good, like you don't have to put it in an early grave.

Josh: That's—

Hamish: your brain's not waiting for you to quit all the things that you're enjoying doing and that are working for you to do something else. You can do, you can do both things. You can be a lot of different people.

Tommy: Do you think we listen to more people when we're younger? Like, I guess parents and friends, old friends. Do you think that you've gotten better at sort of finding your own voice?

Hamish: Yeah, maybe you do. I think, you know, it's that thing. If you start out trying whatever field you're in, I suppose you start out imitating what you think is good.. And then just over time you realise that's what everyone does. And then eventually you find your own voice in whatever that is with you, like a doctor or an author or whatever it is. You eventually find your own voice. And I think the closer you can get to that, who you are, you would just be a lot more satisfied.

Tommy: And I think that you do start to realise, like, I feel like we're a construct of all the shit that's obviously already happened to us. So you're like, oh, that thing. Like, Tommy always picks up that I correct him any time he says a word wrong or anything like that. And he's like, oh, that's Lynn Jansen. Because my mum would always like— I said advertisement once in a film and she said, oh, it's advertisement, that's the American.

Josh: And that's the last time you saw it.

Tommy: And so there's all those types of things. I feel like, Harry, you've got the pressure too. You've come from a country town, you're studying in Melbourne. Do you feel the pressure of like, okay, you know, mum and dad have, you know, supporting me here.

Mason: Got to do everything I can to make the most of the opportunity.

Hamish: A lot of that, there's a lot of that feeling. And I suppose that's the funny one, it's like, because, because would I be right in saying, Harry, you're like, I've got to do a good thing, like I've got to, you know, everyone asks you probably, what are you going to do? Like, what are you going to do with your life? What are you doing next? So you have this feeling of like, oh, I've got to have a plan, I've got to impress everyone with my plan and my next step. But what I was saying before about like, you, you always feel like telling 18-year-olds like doesn't really matter what your plan is. Like, just ferociously find something that you love doing. And I mean, it's an old cliché, but you know, get into it, fail a lot. You know, you don't get into it to fail. You think you're going to kill it and then you do fail. Then you're like, oh, this is a disaster. But it's all that stuff that you realise when you're like 28 was the funnest part of your being an 18-year-old because you thought the world was going to end and it didn't. And everyone has their own versions of those stories. But you, of course, you don't like, you, you're never going to like write a film with the express hope that someone at Screen Australia tears it up and laughs and says you'll never work in the film industry. Like, no one wants that feeling. But if something like that did happen and then you kept going with filmmaking, and then when you're 30 you're in Hollywood, of course you look back on that and laugh. So it's all that— it's just that stuff of going, it feels big now, and it is big, and I'm not diminishing it for people who are going through stuff, but it's, you know, you always remind yourself that that's the stuff you're gonna have a laugh about.

Josh: Well, there's also the convincing yourself of internally that you're on the right path, which whatever that means, it's like maybe, you know, when you started Radio Karate years and years ago, what it is now and what it was at the start, did you even think about what it would become or—

Hamish: No, and you never feel ready. Like I've never felt ready for any aspect.

Josh: You looked ready on LEGO Masters.

Hamish: You looked really, really ready.

Josh: You'd done the training when you were young.

Hamish: That was tricky because you got to look at the wall wall, and there's— you might have noticed like a series of numbers on the wall. That's actually a clock. So I have to be able to look at that and deduce time left in the challenge. Not a lot of people understand this. People just think it's random numbers. It's not. It's counting down in minutes, hours, and seconds, and I've got to be able to yell out the time. So it's tricky. It's really tricky. Real LEGO Masters is very difficult, but I was ready for that because I had experience with clocks. But everything else I wasn't ready— I wasn't ready for in my life. Like, you know, any like radio deal you know, I'd always be like, that's it, we're doing like one year. Like, I feel like this is crazy. We can't go with 400, 300, 200 shows in a year. Like, I can't believe I'm signing this. That's it. No way. One year we're retiring. And we'd be like 24 and be like, that's it after this. No way. Can't— like, couldn't fathom doing more than that. And we just did that like 5 times and took a few years off, then did it another 2 or 3 times. So, but it just always felt like this is too much. Like, I'm not ready. And I guess that was my trick of going, okay, well, it's just one year of like tricking myself into doing it doing it. And then, you know, you get ready as you're doing it.

Josh: That's—

Hamish: I mean, that's certainly been my experience. I've never felt completely prepared for stuff. So, and I know waiting until I feel ready is like a guaranteed way to miss out on the fun of life. So, my professional life, I've just probably spent tricking myself into, you know, being terrified and then also tricking myself into having to do something anyway, because, you know, you're going to be ultimately fine once you get into it.

Tommy: What have you learned about being in a team?

Hamish: I do enjoy being in a team. I do. I think it has its pros and cons. You know, I think that— I think teams work absolutely at their best when there are degrees of autonomy within the team. I think, you know, Ricky Gervais' favourite saying of a camel is a horse built by committee is true. I think if you— if everything is a group decision, then teams are irrelevant and costly. But if everybody knows their role and their position and more so loves and supports and like really values the other people's roles and positions, then teams can work phenomenally well. Like, you know, that's when the sum is way bigger, the product is way bigger than the sum of the parts. So those are really fun environments to work in. And I've kind of loved working in the team too because you constantly get taught that you don't, you're just not good at everything. And like, even LEGO Masters, for example, that's a diff— it's a bit of a different show for me to do because I'm used to producing TV ourselves. Like, it's our production company and we are in charge. Like, we, you know, if something happened and I went, I don't like this, I could stop it on, on a Radio Karate show, like on a Hamish and Andy show, because I own the company along with 3 other guys. So I ultimately could just be like, we're not doing this. On LEGO Masters, if something happened that I didn't like, I couldn't stop it. I mean, they would listen to me because I'm the host, but they'd be like, well, you don't own the company, mate.

Josh: That's right, just throw LEGO at you.

Hamish: You're not even the producer, and you keep stealing all the LEGO, so we could criminally prosecute you. But it's a funny environment where you're like, I don't have— so you would think that would be a more nervous environment to go, I don't have ultimate control here. But I've really liked that experience. It's a really different world, but I like just being the host. I turn up. What it's taught me is the people that are making that show— like, we've got a producer called, um, David McDonald, DMAC. He's so good at what he does. I don't know. I turned up obviously the first year to go, I have no idea how a show like this is made. I can't— I don't know how this is made. I've got a few ideas about how I could fit into it and what we could go for on screen and what, what the challenges could be and how we could make this fun, but I'm not in charge of making the show. And so I had to kind of— it was my first experience in a while of working with someone and like a team and a director and stuff that I hadn't really met. So it was a big leap of faith because I was so used to just working with my best mates from high school who, you know, you have a lot of like telepathy with and you bring a lot of shared history. So there's a lot of shorthand that we've developed over the years. And so suddenly you're working on a professional level with these people that you respect and admire, but you don't know if you're going to gel with. And I— what I loved so much about LEGO Masters Season 1 was there were several times when arrogantly in my head I was like, I'm so right, and I said, this, what we're doing is wrong. This isn't going to work. But I'm, you know, they've all, they're doing it. And there was, you know, we'd all voice our opinions and we would go away where internally I was adamant it was wrong. And I reckon at least 6 or 7 or 8 big times during the show that definitely turned out to be right. And if we'd done the thing that I was sitting there going, I know what I'm doing, we're not doing it right. Yeah, it would have been a disaster. Would have been terrible because I'm just looking at it through my prism. So I really loved that experience as a reminder of going, that's the point of teams. Like, if you're left to your own devices, of course you're going to try and auteur it, and that— there's a great time to be an auteur. But in making a show like that, I would have made a lot of— if it was completely left up to me, which I don't know how that would work, but if I was just like, the guys, whatever I say we're doing on the show, we would have had bad episodes and we would have had bad— like, it would have been a shittier show. So I loved— that was one of my favourite things about doing Legally Coming Out the Back, going— I loved the experience of going, I was super duper wrong a lot of the time.. And I'm lucky to work with a team who were really gentle about the fact that I was— I wasn't on the right page. And then sometimes I was on the right page and I would be— I would throw some ideas in and then they would become part of the show and we were better for it. But my hero wasn't 100%. And if you were left up to your own devices, you'd just be doing 100% what you want to do. So I loved coming out of that going, I feel like the good things I had to offer for the show were incorporated and some of my poor less well-thought-out or not appropriate ideas were gently handled and we went in a different direction. And now in hindsight, I realised that was definitely the right direction to go in.

Tommy: And so when do you listen to your internal voice?

Hamish: I think you've got to listen to it all the time because that's what you, what, what you bring to the table. Otherwise, I'm just a guy that says words. Um, I was going to say off an autocue, but we don't have one, so I'm not even that. I can't use an autocue otherwise.

Tommy: So do you struggle with an autocue?

Hamish: I just don't like doing the same thing twice.

Tommy: Twice.

Hamish: So I'm a nightmare in the edit, I think, even for a show like LEGO. Like, if I have to redo an intro or something.

Tommy: How much have you— like, what, is there being a specific moment where you've royally fucked continuity for them?

Hamish: Uh, I don't think I've fucked continuity. Um, there was definitely— there's definitely a thing coming up in this next season where I smash something massive. You really only get one take at that, but I don't want to break, but I nailed it. So no, I don't think I've destroyed it too badly, but yeah, I I know if this is something that needs to be said properly, I'll put a lot of effort into making sure I get it right because I just hate doing the same thing over and over again. But sorry, what was it like?

Tommy: So, the internal voice, because I say the internal voice.

Hamish: So, essentially, I've learnt, I learnt in that first season because I was like, I mean, you know, going into it, I was like, am I? This is a reality show. Like, should I be even doing this? Because I'm not, I've never really hosted anything. And so, I've done stuff with Ando and— but, but like driving something and just sort of standing there and going, all right, it's all on me. I like— I know I work well in an environment where I like to react to stuff and, and, and I like the chaos and the randomness of just having to react to things. That's kind of my preferred game. That's why radio is super fun because you can't plan 2 hours. You're just reacting for 2 hours and having as much fun as you can. So there was a bit of me going, that was going, well, I don't know if my instincts are perfectly matched to this job because my instincts are reactive and you have to kind of be managing the vibe. You're kind of in charge of the mood when you're hosting a show like that. So you do have to— but, and I was like, well, I don't want to become Jeff Probst, but this is— you've got to kind of be in charge of this room. But I was questioning my internal dialogue a little bit. And you— and, and, you know, I'm sure— and there were definitely parts in that first season where I was, you know, insecure and you were nervous if this is even going to work or it's going to be a show or if they made a mistake mistake putting me in here, where you probably— things pop into your head but you don't say them because you're trying to play a little safer. But the times where I would just go up, well, fuck it, and say stuff, you realise then watching the show back, that's the stuff that makes the edit, the stuff where you're kind of listening to your internal voice. So I think you learn to trust it, but you just don't hang on to it too tightly. So my method of working is like, I'll just try a lot of stuff and we'll say a lot of things, but then if you don't put in the effort, I wouldn't— in the edit, I will totally understand because I'm I'm not saying them because I'm like, these must go on television. I'm just trying to listen to my instincts and sort of do what I think is right in the moment. But I like working in a team where someone else picks what was the right thing in the moment. It's not me self-picking.

Josh: Yeah. I think I've seen a real pattern in people that are able to pick out weaknesses that they have. Me personally, I can identify all my weaknesses, but I think—

Hamish: I don't know how you do it.

Josh: Thanks, bro. Well, I mean, this works well then. Knowing your strengths, I think, is a tough thing.

Hamish: Yeah.

Josh: Because it relies on this convincing of yourself to go, no, I am actually good. It's not any self-doubt that could creep up to smash it down. How are you with identifying your strengths?

Hamish: And I think, I think, I think I'm more— I think I know what I'm good at, but I'm— the battle, I think, I guess for anyone is to go, know what you're good at. But I think for anyone it's important to go, but I'm not flawlessly good. So it's like, say something like LEGO is a kind of a great show. The reason I love doing it is it kind of fits the mould of what I think, where I think I can bring something to the table, which is I can say some stuff, but it's not flawless. And it's like it has a huge spectrum. Some is A+ and some is a big old D. And on a live show, everything's going to make it. So your big old fails, like, are going to be a bit more obvious. But on a show where you're literally in a shed for like 12 hours making Lego, and you're speaking for 6 and the episode's 45 minutes long, a lot of stuff's going to hit the cutting room floor. So I'm, you know, you— I'm like, that suits me well because definitely everything I'm gonna say is not great, but some of it hopefully is good enough to make it in.

Tommy: Do you then start to realize, okay, um, all these conversations that you had previously with Radio Karate where you've had control, do you think that going into those types of projects where you can make the decisions do you think that you would be more detached now?

Hamish: And I—

Josh: but that's what—

Hamish: sorry, yeah, possibly, yes. Even after LEGO, maybe a bit more so. But I think the one of the reasons we work well at Radio Karate— so it's me and Andy and Tim and Ryan— is we have such— we do have very different brains, and we happily hand over tasks to other people to do. And we've got so good at not making— like, when we actively aren't the committee, like, we don't We got good, I think, at letting go of some of the arbitrary things like, well, we all have to be in here, or we all, we're going to think of an idea, it has to be 9 o'clock. And it's, you know, the things we realise don't count in the end, like the, like sort of arbitrary adherence to rules and norms and traditions of work. That was the stuff I realized. I think early on we were like, well, some of us don't work that way and that's totally fine. What we care about is getting a good show on TV. And a part of getting a good show on TV is coming out with a good idea. Another part is then recognising the good ideas out of the shit ones. Another part is then when you've got the good idea, all the massive amount of work and preparation it will take to give it a chance to be filmed. Another part is when it is being filmed, did you execute it well? Another part is after it's been executed well, can you edit it properly? And otherwise, like, once you've edited it properly, can you smooth out and do all that stuff? So we all know the parts and we all know we're definitely not masters of every part.

Josh: Uh, a lot going on.

Tommy: Michael Bungay Stanier, I was talking to you about him, the Yeah, I ordered the book.

Hamish: It hasn't come yet.

Tommy: Oh really? Which one, The Coaching Habit or the new one?

Hamish: Well, that's not out yet.

Tommy: Is it? No, no, The Coaching Habit. Advice Trap comes out tomorrow.

Hamish: Gotcha. But I did order. These sound like great books.

Tommy: Yeah. And so anyway, I did a bit of the coaching thing. I thought it would be fun if TJ, you could coach Hamish and we could just see how it goes to end the show.

Josh: All right. So Hamish, how are you?

Tommy: He doesn't say it normally.

Josh: No, I'm just building in banter.

Hamish: I'm building in some banter.

Josh: I'm doing it my way, not—

Tommy: I'm on the phone.

Josh: Rock and roll.

Hamish: Really great question. Well, I guess if I measure up my father's expectations of me, I'm good. I feel pretty good.

Josh: What's the biggest challenge for you at the moment?

Hamish: Biggest challenge? For some reason, it's time management, even though I'm not doing heaps. That's a bit of an embarrassing challenge, but I would like— I'm practicing. I'm practising with a few different ways of structuring my week, you know, a bit of a life change. I want to be there for pickup and drop off for my little boy at school, but I should still have a bit of time around that with podcasting once a week to create time to— because I'm in a bit of a blank slate at the moment. Like, we don't have too many commitments coming up. And you know, we'll hopefully do another travel show in the not too distant future. We do love doing that. That would be a huge call to pretend that that's a pressing issue though. So I've got space to to, to figure out what a fun new project could be. My challenge is protecting the space.

Tommy: What else?

Hamish: Oh, it's good. Um, not getting sick from that one bite of chicken that I had.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Hamish: That's a huge challenge I can feel happening internally on a, on a microbiological level. Um, so I've got my microbiome is fighting that. Um, if I do get sick, I'll need more time. Um, what else in Yeah, I mean, just being a good— being a better dad, being a better husband, there's a— that's important to me. I think the more time you put into that stuff, the more results you'll get. Not always great results, but, you know, it's certainly— if you do want to be a better dad and you do want to be a better husband, it relies on time and attention. So that's, that's on my mind.

Josh: Uh, what would be, what would be the brave thing to do?

Hamish: Brave thing to do? Would be to tell my wife that she was very right about an argument we had this morning about processed porridge versus uncut steel cut oats. I like the sachets and I'm allowed to have them because I'm a grown-up and she's never questioned that. But then the kids see me having them and they want the sweet porridge. I mistakenly thought that there was about 10 grammes of sugar per 100 in the sachets. I think there's about 20.

Tommy: You also said—

Hamish: 20 is a lot of sugar to give your kids.

Tommy: They put sprinkles on and—

Hamish: That's on the steel cut oats. Okay. So you're right. That's— and so Zoe goes to a lot of effort to make them. And then it became a bit of a thing this morning because they're, you know, they're just tired at the moment. They melt down at breakfast time. And in my head I went, it's not a big deal today to just give them sachet porridge. And then it's like, it's not really good food for them. It's pretty sugary. And I was like, yeah, I get it, but I'm giving it to them anyway. And so the right thing to do would be like, you're 100% right.

Mason: Right.

Hamish: And I pride myself on knowing, being numbers man and facts man. And I thought it was about 10% sugar. And I looked it up later and it's about 20% sugar for sachet packets.

Tommy: I mean, that's— yeah.

Hamish: And steel cut oats, to be honest, is about 3% sugar. So you know what? Honestly, the both of you would be like, yep, that's— we can rejig. We can rejig the porridge situation.

Josh: Any questions, Josh?

Tommy: No, that was perfect. That's good. Thank you.

Hamish: No, you've given me something to think about now. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mason: Calls out.

Hamish: I'm driving home to tag team with her to look after my daughter, and, um, I'm gonna have a little porridge conversation.

Tommy: Uh, Hamish Blake, thank you for coming on the show.

Hamish: Thanks for having me, guys.

Tommy: Uh, it's the Daily Talk Show.

Hamish: Actually, Harry didn't even talk about buying your camera.

Tommy: Oh yeah, he wants to buy the 1DX, which is great. Okay, Harry, do you have any— only for a steal, like, the Uber Eats integration, we're getting 10 grand, so we could— there was no integration. Any questions on television? Very, just very quickly.

Mason: How do you go, so like, um, um, not Travel Guide, uh, Gap Year.

Tommy: Yep.

Mason: How do you make sure you don't like, because part of it is showing the differences between our culture and their culture some of the time.

Hamish: True.

Mason: How do you make sure you don't offend that culture when you're reacting to how they—

Hamish: Yeah, that's, I mean, I guess that's, that comes into a level of degrees and probably more just human decency and sensitivity. It's a good point because we don't— I mean, it probably happens before we even get close to doing stuff with people. We certainly don't want to offend anyone. And we also don't want the tone of the show. I think it would be a double whammy, like it wouldn't be funny and it would do damage. And it's not the kind of thing you want to put into the world to just— the whole point is to try and laugh at what we've got in common rather than highlight the differences we have. So probably comes down to like when we are doing our research and kind of like going, okay, well, we're going to find a monk that runs across water or whatever, that seems like a fun thing to go and do. We needed to sort of tick two boxes. The best, best stuff that we're looking for is like, is this sort of a unique thing that we haven't heard of before that makes us laugh and we would genuinely want to go and do this? Like, we are getting—

Mason: like tying weights to your dick or something.

Hamish: Yeah, to be like, but let's do this. Like, I can't believe they do this. Like, what a great story. Let's go and let's meet this guy that ties weights to his dick and balls, just to be clear. So it's like right around the base. Reinforced. It's actually really technically. I mean, you can, you can, yeah, you can feel it on your dick and balls, but it's like the base of your abdomen. So, and that's how that guy was able to lift like 300 kilos, which is an insane deadlift, let alone dick lift. So something like that, that's a great example because you're like, okay, this is— I mean, it involves dicks, it's gonna be weird, people are gonna be like, what is this? Like, what is this thing? But we know we want to go there and go like, we get this is serious, this is important to you. Like, you wouldn't put the practise in to do this. We want to make sure that when we turn up, we're seeing something that genuinely to us is fascinating and fun. But it only works if we're having fun with the person that's doing it. Like, we genuinely and generally are finding people that are making their own fun. Like, that sport is not for everyone, but the guys that do it— and it is just guys— the guys that do it, it's fun for them. And it's like, and I think that's what draws us to us. We're like, we want to go and find it. Like, we have a lot of stuff that we think is fun. We want to go and find stuff that these guys are going, this is fun for us.

Tommy: And it's their downball.

Hamish: And understand why it's fun for them is their downball. So just very foreign to Josh.

Josh: Well, they're doing the work for you. Like the guy with the, um, the cat that came and found you. What was it? It's like a, um, what's the name of that bloody animal?

Tommy: The wolverine.

Josh: The wolverine that came and found you. Like that dude.

Hamish: You're right.

Josh: You don't need to do anything. He'll do all the work for you.

Hamish: America's a different storey because they're just like born to be on television. But you're right, in a sense they are doing all the work for us because generally we meet someone at the end of a long, like 5, 10, 20 years of investing their time into a passion that to the average person in Australia is— will take a second to get their head around. Like, you know, having wolverines and training them for avalanche rescue. Like, that's his passion. It's not my passion. That would be weird if it was my passion and I'd never met a wolverine. But I can understand it because we love seeing people passionate about stuff. And I think Anna and I just enjoy immediately jumping into people's worlds and sharing the passion. Like, that's that's what makes us happy and that's what gives us fun doing it. And we hope, and I think that there's an antidote against feeling like we're exploiting people because we're not. Our genuine goal is to celebrate with them that this is fun. Like, we love fun. Our names are Hamish and Andy. We love having fun. You've got something that you clearly have fun with. Let's all have fun together with this thing that you have.

Josh: Love it.

Tommy: It's entering into the fun, right?

Hamish: It's completely entering into the fun. Like, we want to be on the ride with someone, not watching them on a ride going, what a weird ride.

Josh: Yeah, great question, Harry.

Hamish: Really good question, Harry. And, uh, yeah, so hopefully, uh, it's— it is something we think about. And for those reasons, A, we wouldn't have any fun doing it anyway, and B, you don't want to put stuff into the world that, you know, we don't want to divide people. Like, the whole fun of this is like, we assure that everywhere we go in the world, you will find people that are having fun. I'm sure we could go to North Korea and find people that are having less of a barrel of a laugh because there's not as much avenues to have a barrel of a laugh, but people that just like us want to have fun. Yeah, and that's kind of what we love about it.

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