- January 25, 2020
Jordan Michaelides – Director & Podcast Host
Jordan hosts the Uncommon Show, a podcast and video show that helps you build your knowledge, skills & mindset through interviews with unique individuals. Uncommon features thought-leaders in business, politics, culture and sport.
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On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
– Visceral Hypersensitivity
– The Coronavirus
– Hacking Jeff Bezos & the Stuxnet virus
– Remembering information
– Getting married
– The Australian Podcast Ranker
– The future of podcasts
– Jordan’s thoughts on Josh’s wine cellar
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The Daily Talk Show Episode 598 democ ladies
Welcome to the
show about Tommy had his hands in his heart It was awesome warm
and I found a piece of egg in my egg shell sorry. The if it was the egg beat it would have been discussing not I've got a bit of shell in in my
my hoodie saw your real mess today. Absolutely. milk shakes.
It was not about that was
all right. Yeah. How's your food? Guy?
So Jordan is from uncommon the show podcast.
Yeah. Last time we went I had you guys on I wasn't eating food properly.
Yeah, yeah, well 153 you're up to episode one for three. What um, what was our episode? What number was it under the hundred or 100 I was definitely over 100 Actually, I didn't actually check 120 without running around that, that's fine. But yeah, when we when we did meet there was for the first time now we've, you know, formed a bit of a friendship had some Friday night drinks. It's you know, we're going strong. You first had gotten off the food and gotten onto the smoothie food.
Yeah, that was not fun. Well, it wasn't. It's not like you did it on purpose. Like you didn't want to do that. No. So So long story short, I had anxiety which was was mainly panic disorder. It sounded so ridiculous. I just remember when we spoke about it. And and you said to me are coming on Friday. We're gonna get you to eat a burger.
Well, the funny thing is that like we thought about it, but we're like, we didn't want to eat too gimmicky with you. Yeah, obviously like a panic disorder.
But I spoke to my psychologist about it and I just I said to him, like, it just highlights how ridiculous this is.
I say you think Joshua's was the reason you have now been able to study.
One of many catalysts that helped me get along the way. Did she subscribe
to the pot? Did you say the daily talk show?
I didn't plug it for you. Okay, I'll plug it enough in the show I
But But yeah, I had panic disorder and it basically it got down to it was so bad that the anxiety would make my mouth dry. And then that would create this we'd take and sort of panic around eating solid food. I can't explain it other than how she explained it, which is it was a panic disorder. And the way it manifested for me was in your digestive tract. They
call it like visceral hypersensitivity minds, breathing I, I get into this one as well, where I can't like get oxygen in and so I just keep going. And it's,
I think that's a real cut. That's quite common.
Now, but it's like it can it's that feeling of not being able to get broke. So you don't have enough oxygen.
Yeah, You're overthinking it. Yeah.
So that that was the issue. It was you just you start thinking about breathing and eating and normal things because you're so in your head,
are you past it now?
For sure. I started taking it got to a point I did counselling. I think I did like 20 sessions and she was just like, Look, you've gotten so far, you've done a lot of work. But you probably need to start, you probably have this underlying thing that that's probably runs deep in your family. I think that most of my family are quite a type anxious individuals. And for me, it was just this is how it manifested so I ended up taking a tech 20 milligrammes of sign called phlox attain, which I'm pretty sure is Prozac in America. I am.
I was exactly one that just I study better. No, no, you think of Ritalin like Ritalin?
Yeah, Adderall. It is pro
what's the what's the benefits of Prozac? sivs Should I get on it?
Look up. phlox attack was assigned yet is sold under the name Prozac. Yeah, so he they branded Fox and I think it's just what do you know when you go the chemists and they asked you do you want branded on
a non branded? shaper?
Yeah. What's the point? Yes, my pound is $7 versus $11. My old mate some sister, she actually sells that stuff to all those chemists. So she's like, legitimately, like
a crappy farmer.
Yeah, big farmer. It's like those movies were where they go around door to door like sales people,
but mostly non branded companies are basically smaller local companies that are making stuff because the the IP, the patent, whatever has run out,
but public domain.
Yeah, yeah, it's I mean, so Dan, just like the epi pen stuff, the regulation like the laws around companies and how much they can charge because some of them are privately owned, and can't be dictated through the government and get subsidies and stuff. So some of them could come out and say no It's 1500 bucks a pin. Yeah, yeah and then all these people are panicking
well, insurance one my brother's got type one diabetes, and that if you dig into that that's a shit show. It's actually really fucking annoying how the pharmaceutical companies basically dictate how this person can live their life I got a mate as well he's got type one diabetes and they got this new thing now where they have a pump which is basically mimics your pancreas and you have these tubes and it goes into like a needle so it's pumping you with insulin all day long like you and I would do normally with our pancreas if you ate sugar it's like it can regulate and regulated by Sonia blood sugar. And he ran out of like these tubes and they stopped selling the tubes that went with this model
in Australia like fucking Sony cameras specific
It's ridiculous. Yeah, but he's pump he's pump a hit to get a totally new pump but he's ensure wouldn't cover it. It was like Adam palca button. grande and then he had to work it out with these new ensure to ensure to get the actual pump. But um, anyway back back to your original question around what to do to stop me panicking.
Okay, what does that feel like?
Like when you start focusing on your breathing, you just start focusing on your swallowing.
And so when you take it,
take the medication goes away, it's long acting, so it takes like a few weeks to kick in, and a few weeks to stop but yeah, it just makes me feel normal. Like I still have elements of anxiety, but I just don't panic anymore. So was that the so it doesn't just fix the swallowing thing. It fixes the cause which and then all the other thing to fix is one of the key symptoms that blocks you from from getting over this thing.
Does it does it start I wonder? Like say something like that does all of a sudden you have less fee like jaywalking? Yeah, no. So they've
got a pretty like dialled in, I think Think I mean that the this is the thing with psychology and you know using chemicals like this right we have these connections and this is why you for Hershey the psychologist was saying to me that you're just not going to be able to stop this thing because you build up this connection so strong in your brain that you will actually take this medicine it will stop the panic but you still do it by habit. Sharma so like I was I still do it a little bit with pills, but I don't have any panic like no feeling of panic or medication a pill
Yeah, that's fucking annoying at the start none of it will go over time It's just that I have no better style and it has a fuck do you swallow up if you've got a problem swallowing I try to fix the swallowing we need you to swallow this
pill they just gave me a crush it down or something
like one that if you put him water sort of break
the ice give my dog a pill in butter. You remember that with dogs now? You have a dog Jordan growing up?
I never Yeah, I did. But I never get I mean we get it in their food.
Yeah I used to get up in bed and just put, you know, go down.
Medications a funny one. I've
I feel like I'm taking anything well, so
I realised I've gotten into the habit of taking something. I think it's low level. But we've got this migraine stick at home. And it smells like peppermint.
It's not it's not medication. We're talking actually pharmaceutical drugs. I
was just wondering because I've just started not even using it for my I put it online, like this morning as I put it on, it's not
it's like avoiding tea tree oil on the little hands.
And so that is well, cuz I guess you'd look at like, no nasal spray. That can be an issue. Yeah, but no, I haven't taken anything. But I think that we're talking about the genetic test stuff, which one to 23 and 23. In May. Yeah. And so when I got the 23 and me done, it wasn't regulated by it's not the FCC What is it in the US the medical side of the FDA, FDA, FDA? Yeah. So the FDA went in and said you can't be giving all this health health information from a genetic point of view With 23andme you can only give the like the genealogy like the family stuff we origins and but I don't know if we log if I log into the website, but I used to be able to see all these medical studies and whether I was like predisposed to certain things. Yeah, you can
do that. There's one called found my fitness is basically run, download the data yet run and Patrick. And so you download the data, then you upload it to this other system. Other piece of software, Rhonda, Patrick's the most well known one because she covers metabolism and lipids, which is sort of the key thing for that, that we can all make decisions on like it there's no point in putting it in for cancers and all this sort of stuff because you can't effectively make a decision. metabolism What is it going to say Josh? You got a slow metabolism like as an example for me, I think I was saying this to grey when we were talking about it that I have this genetic thing that my mom has as well where if I ate food that is high in saturated fat, it actually sparked my blood glucose. So I noticed when I stopped eating as much saturated fat I dropped like a few kilos.
This is good sabzi around this again excited about
it. So hang on the naughty and normally there is that saturated fat shouldn't be elevating your glucose
and most people for most people, yeah, so you shouldn't go on fat and keto or something. So for me, I was on kaida for a long period. A long period. Let's say I'm a mom. I'm 20
Yeah, well, I put on white Yeah, I was writing a lovely cheese. I fucking ate so much dairy.
Cheese is fine. If you having an imbalance with something like I might have changed some salmon and so on. But it just to me it highlighted the fact that we all have a background right. And there are certain foods that we are more obliged to basically On that background like most of my ancestry is islands nearby the sea so I probably shouldn't be having lots of beef based on that fact or, you know, chip shop a lot of a lot of fish that were the Orleans Greek Cyprus, which is near Turkey and it's like a predominately Greek and then my my mother's family is from like Northern England but neither coast Yeah, but she's got this she did the gene test as well. She's got this thing where like 90% of the population in what is it? Scandinavia has this gene so it's sort of lens i don't know i don't understand a FLU but i just seems like give Vikings came over to this part of England and raped and pillaged and therefore they have those James fuckit. So
full on. I mean, when you think about it, like that way, how we've ended up here through those years. So there's a few things going on at the moment the world the new disease this broken out China virus is broken out in China. It's
nothing by the way.
I'm really to tell you got the inside. I've
been I've been obsessed with it in the last 24 hours. I is that out of a worry that you know, I love the movie contagion. And I've loved some one of my best mates. He's from Zimbabwe and his dad's a, probably the most, one of the most preeminent. I don't know what they call them an infectious disease. He studies infectious diseases in Johannesburg in South Africa. So he never migrated over to Australia because he had he was so prominent over in Africa and he caught one of the diseases. So he cut he taught me a few little facts. The first thing is what they call the kill, right? So as morbid as that sounds, you go look at how many people how many documented cases of people being infected, versus how many people have died.
You really ibotta We've had
17 people have died from this bit but then but
there's a lot of people that have been infected
and and then there's been people dying in hospitals that don't you haven't checked for this specific virus.
Another thing that he told me is that how quickly it comes about So, so you can be infected, and you can, it can be dormant in your body for 10 days before you start seeing symptoms. And even those symptoms can be quite quite benign, like a cold or something like that. But if it's like immediate, which is what this disease is, then it's actually not an effective disease because your body will see it It means that your bodies discovered it very quickly. And we'll start killing it off sooner you seeing symptoms, the sooner the better. But yes, yeah. So So basically, who will be bad for is immunocompromised, which is children and elderly. And that's why you go and get vaccinations. I mean,
how good are you guys I get so you know, like kotoba, antivaxxers, and all that sort of thing. So there's that side of things. And then is the anti admin is, which I guess, is admin. And so it's like, I'm not anti Vax. But I'm not going to the doctor much. Like I'm not doing I'm not like I
I think we need to start setting up like flu shots.
No, you can well,
sounds like service wants to
you sure. I'd be happy to. Yeah, the thing. So real quick, let me tell you that your horoscope the key. So children, it is geet. So if you're an anti vaxxer as a parent, if you're an anti Vax with a as a parent with a child, you giving real push back to the system because I think the government actually needs money and give you subsidies. If you playing ball and vaccine vaccinating. And so the anti vaccine I mean, it is pretty serious. I think in Victoria, they started imposing like, financial impact I do we missed bowties vaccination. It was a bit sick. We took him in, they said look, come back another time. We were a couple of weeks. He got sick again as we booked in just had a little cold and then I got a hold off and then we lost money they held money for daycare which means we'll add a pocket
as family we don't care if you're sick you're getting this little
Give me the syringe I'll do it and so we got it done but then it was very hard it was admin city it created more admin than what then precise
I don't want to visit so admin city
what is admin said is this medical
paper that don't like admin, no, no, no, that's it. I've got centerlink and Medicare like I won't be ours in that joint many kids are on fucking have a kid and they try them but he may not medicate you just you just swipe because
Medicare you going
well, I don't get any of them. Just use the card
send so centerlink is connecting with him so the it is over Pat like Amy's trying to it's all about all my love. Talk with subsidies disconnecting? Oh my god. Yeah.
Or if you ever have to go into a branch, it's a nightmare. It's just a nice ride off half the day,
its handling and just giving doll payments that are also family benefits and shit. Like this reminds
me of like, Do you guys know Michael Cusack?
I heard the name Who was he?
We we interviewed him recently. He's like a cartoonist. And he he does like a bit where it's like these DeRose per se these bogans at the centre, like complaining about how long it takes and they're just like, why don't you just give us a job? Like,
no, I just thought about it. So there's the virus thing going on. But there's also have you heard the conspiracy? Jeff buys off
that he will
so yeah, maybe there's a few. Yeah, so he is saying the Saudi Prince, Whatsapp him and infected his iPhone. And then these leaked text messages or comes through that someone would have had to have access to his phone released all and it was about him cheating on Esau. Why
is this the courageous find it? Is this the Crown Prince crown. The Saudi Prince was
trying to get dick pics. Hey Jeff,
What's up, buddy?
He's fine. Honestly, I would not put that past
right also, like how much money's at the throwing a lot of shade at the set it I said,
I know I know the geopolitics right so well, no one likes the Saudi the
Saudi people lovely people yeah but the Saudi government awful
the i i've been diving into Iran.
I want some clarity on this.
Yeah, that's right. And the 23andme thing I got 5%
Yeah. And he's Iranian. So potentially from my dad side.
Potentially wide lock had Josh has been talking about
that's actually I've been saying nothing like what you said about the Saudis.
Yeah, so the the UN has Cold for an investigation into the allegations that Saudi Crown Prince was involved in hacking Jeff Bezos, his phone calls into Israel. This is
literally on is that the thing that United Nations Human Rights website? So when would we How do you get the UN involved? That's same is that scary that big event? Like I the UN
doesn't seem like a very powerful body to me anymore.
I mean, Jeff Bezos could be more powerful than anybody in the world based on his net worth. Like he's the richest guy in the world. I
couldn't be paying off PayPal. Well.
Yeah, we don't know do we may
latched onto it.
I think it's more than a conspiracy. What's interesting, like, how do you send that stuff through WhatsApp? I have?
He's got an iPhone. Yeah, sure. WhatsApp and iPhones are pretty locked down. That's what I meant. Yeah. shut down.
Right? So the doc either I just watched this morning on Iran,
you're watching tacos in the mall. Yeah. That's
a lot like it's pretty.
was like, I'm I don't want to leave until the office and home until quarter to nine so I can then get my coffee and be at the post office just after they open. Because I was collecting my books. I love doing this before interview. Yeah, that's what I do. Well, what did you do? I just
got up and went to have any
similar but no, so I was watching this taco. And do you guys remember that there was a virus? I think it was like mid 2000s that I remember getting a bit of news coverage but it was actually targeting a nuclear power site in Iran. You remember the virus was Stuxnet?
Yes, political stuff. Net
stucks Stuxnet SDU x and 86. And
I've got a very good memory because I watched the doc Oh, and I couldn't remember what? You remember what it did. Yeah. So
this is a guy hsts merio you just want to I want to know,
well, yeah, how well was I watching the Docker? So basically what it did was the nuclear power stuff has these fucking and what they called rods. Yeah, tube things or whatever. And they've got like, the fuel cells in
Yeah, it's a reactor right? It's in a reactor
and they've got like fat like they've got like all these like mechanical bits, like I was a fan or some shit. It's called. It's called by water, basically. And so what happened was and why I thought it was interesting in regards the disease and talking about the effectiveness of a disease. I guess you can look at a computer virus. It's a virus. They specifically did the whole Stuxnet thing so that it would knock them out slowly. So they can could have got it all happening straightaway and fact everything but what they did is by turning on these like they turned the turn the corner up and down.
Yeah so it went into like mini what's the word when a real karma Simpson meltdown Okay,
like went into a not a meltdown but it was testing like these levels but the software didn't show it on the display. So they only found out because spotlight they caught it somehow like they that
there was 5000 of those like rod things or whatever it's called. They didn't call them rods, though like the big fucking steps. Can you say what is a rock? So
the way the way it works, it's like a grid. It's like a big square grid and I've got all these little rods that are like feels like a water in
there. So the rod there's an outside of the rod. What's that called?
It's some sort of metal.
Yeah, it's like a cylinder. Maybe it's like cylinder things I didn't know. I was holding a nuke nuclear
refuge is the middle moon though so the rods have got like guys saying that was had the Simpsons. No, no the show show Noble. I was great.
Yeah. Great talk so
the series and then a mini series might have some problem. Yeah, it's
nuts. It's about Sean ogle It was a
joke to fix it because he
was posting about it. Remember? I remember saying it was Pete you were posting like clips of the Yes.
So you're going around on nuclear chat right now? Is this the equivalent of me watching an aircraft crash investigation of a three alien being like I'm now an aviation expert. More dude. Yeah. Or do I mean I've my brother's
me, my brother. Love this topic. Okay, so he studied maths and he's really into, like, nuclear energy. Oh, cool. Yeah, so he's taught me a lot. But um, I wouldn't say I by no means an expert. I just find out really good. I wish I could remember shit. I'll remember it later. But it's true in interviews like that, There's certain things that you forget, like I always forget last names or sometimes I just forget names in the middle of an interview when I know that I should know this name.
the day before he comes on, I'm trying to remember his name. And on the day, like, if I can stumble over, you sort of said you would have nailed his name.
Yeah, well, it's not actually pronounced the right way. It's pronounced authen de de Scala. But he
knows it rocking kidding me know, I've been learning
the wrong he tells everyone to actually pronounce it the Greek way. When I did my intro, and he's like, actually, can you do it again? Because I just go by like,
I can. Really?
flex I like that.
It's like, Oh, can I have? Yeah. It's like going to a restaurant and using
your fillet of it. What's the feel like? Yeah, you just want the fish that you mean the Philadelphia Yeah,
that's hard, isn't it? It's like going to a tie right? chatons and you know Saudi crop now like, do you mean Hello?
Hi, dude, I've been down a rabbit hole on YouTube of the like, real sort of like headline names for these videos. It's like white guy like blows Chinese people's minds by ordering in
I've seen that like whenever like
fluent Chinese and so he's like this just white American dude walkie and it's like hi Can I sit down and and then all of a sudden he's speaking just like one guy. It's amazing Please don't do that. It was close to it
so yeah I can imagine you clicking Hamish like did that in Italy what learn to bunch of Italian Yeah, and then impressed that's not the same though this
guy's like a polyglot yeah where they know like what languages
he spent a lot of time working on. It's clearly
like YouTube bait like he's going in there. He's pretending like I'm just this dumb folk in America
setting and I'm like that little But then there's a whole genre of the shit online
I want to be that guy where they can do easy why that I could do it because that's a lot
in this something like pot but these people who could learn languages so easy there's something that they just the way that they learned must have some sort of not genetic ability but like a learning ability above others isn't annoying they get that and then I and what I get is like not being out of breath and you can't swallow like with a real could go away the wire I think
this is a choice that other stuff is probably more happening.
NET like they just genetically smarter than we are as well.
I think there's a whole people that are struggling genetically and I've worked out how to maximise the little genetics they have. Yeah. And so that's like it's
I think it's like your your ability to learn. Maybe it's just like that the more the more the better with like, language than they are with numbers. Well, I'm gonna get What's the thing that I said I want to get into in 2020 the card thing? So remember shit? Fuck
this is Quizlet Quizlet Do you think it is like the relying on saves now? Were you trying to
well I just remember everything I've got so this is how I do
it I can see I think he's
got like so I have I reckon My problem is I'm taking too much information every day so before I like come into the office I've probably watched two and a half hours of stuff fucking crazy and so crazy man I like walk in and I'm like listening to stuff still. Yeah, not now, but I won't be able to consume all this stuff. And so I guess the hard thing is that I'm like doing this and I'm just sort of hoping that some of it sticks what Yeah, stick I think the desk Hello. Like how to say he's, he's
not at the time he needed. Yeah,
but now we need to get him back on Call him.
I called him and I said, Yeah.
And so No, but I think that it's it takes time and so caught up with my mate Nissan, who will be on the show tomorrow. And he's Persian. And so I was talking about Iran stuff and then sort of like going on like, Hey, this is what I tell me more like, what else? What else is there? But so I feel like I'm moving along I remember more stuff. Remember, I couldn't remember qasem soleimani name the channel but I mean, but now I know it. Yeah. So I need to the problem is that then all of my conversations are skewed with the little bit that I know so
what helps you remember things that like do you like do you
pay like a visual thing? sarcasm I did like a car symbol and an equal sign sign. So car and some pass on Solomonic Yeah, that works.
Good. How do you remember
I feel like I append like images to it. Yeah. Like if I if I think about a memory I often think about like a photo of that situation, that topic, that book, whatever it may be. So when you're researching when you you are one of the best researchers, I feel like whenever you are a garden, someone on your show, within a few minutes, they've said you've done your research. Yeah,
it's usually because back in 22,009, you had an IBM registered under a company of Janssen, are
you spending on acid? That's right, yeah. What's the How do you get all the information and then sort of reconcile it into something that you can then use in an interview? It's hard. I mean,
I don't know I just, I spend a day just a few hours just getting as much in like just slamming my brain with with information. I put it into this document which generally has a structure because I want the interview to be Sort of biographical, and then I'll go to bed at night, maybe I'll think about it, maybe I won't, but the next day I sort of have allowed my brain to sort of let it sift through and settle. And then I'll just go through all the notes and come up with like, you know, the Early life and then key topics and then things that ran down. So it's just just consuming as much things as possible you listen to other podcasts on your interview with a thumb was super handy. I like to see like, you know, things that are that aren't covered or are covered so I don't want to cover things that I've already been definitely a height that Yeah.
And you know, that there's certain people especially if they're sort of in the media of a media trying they know their story, and they can just fall into this the narrative. Yeah,
I like do you guys which hot ones? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So I really, I've always my interview style was along that similar way that he sort of builds The preamble into and so you show that you're, you understand this thing about the history because some people just have like these, these PR lines in their head that they feel they have to get out there. So I just give them I just put it out there so they don't have to go through it again. And then I'll ask something that is different about that topic. Let's highlight five of Google. I feel like you spend a lot of time like, yeah,
yeah, if I can, is it is page 10. Words gets gets good depends on the post.
So I mean, like, I think essays and as a good example, he just has so much stuff that you get to page 10. It's the same, like PR related interviews. And so I look for the deeper interviews that the one that you guys did, he didn't interview on the AFR, which was really quite in depth. And then he did another one for some magazine, direct to consumer mag or something like that. That was super helpful. Was He impressed by you being able to pronounce his name properly bike? Again, I think maybe he might expected are violent Greek background Can you speak Greek? No, not a word. I went. I went I went well I can speak like random words, but not conversationally. I'm actually
the one when sliding around in the primary school Yeah, Malacca.
Yeah, all that sort of stuff. I went to grade school for a week when I was like five or six. And I was at primary school I remember kids
going to like Sunday great school. Bentley's primary.
I think it was spend a summer road I had, you know, Bentley's probably
know, but I know that they went out that way. Yeah, around my neighbourhood. There was some grapes that lived up the road. We had some of the best spirits down there.
Yeah. So we I went to there and I just a highlight. I got teased because I had like, Farrah here and I couldn't speak much Greek at all, like most of these kids are speaking Greek at home already. And I'm just this dumb, dumb Ozzy kid, as they used to say. And I couldn't I couldn't speak much English and so it was like, yeah, it was like being a baby. Do you sort of do you feel sometimes then I really regret it. I really regret that my parents didn't follow through and I have a, I have a theory that it's the parents, the the mother who defines whether you'd learn like a, you know, a language as a kid because you spend more time with your mom in the first two, three years, let's say like, I've noticed that friends who a lot of friends who are Greek, the ones who had fathers who are Greek, versus mothers who are Greek, the ones who had mothers a Greek almost all of them speak fluent Greek.
That's why they like when they working in developing countries, they spend so much time other mothers and the women because it's like, if you can give the support to them, actually gonna fuckin Yeah, they hold the community. Yeah, I think I'm
Christopher Hitchens spoke about this like plenty of times, like if you educate and give women access to the proper health care, then you can actually measure how much Any GDP points like percentage points in the economy will increase. Yeah. Which I find religion.
It is crazy that you could just like bowties born in Australia, you could drop him in grace. make enough. He grows up and would speak fluent Greek. Yeah.
It's phenomenal. Yeah, sounds fun. Well, you
know, I'd rather wait till these idea and then we go party on the
Yeah, that'd be fun. I've done I've actually I've done a show with recorded from act. Oh, yeah, there we go. Yeah. And they, the hotel I remember had great internet, especially because I just been in Paris, where the internet was shoot. weapons. It was like it was actually really good. I think I was getting like 100 megabits up and down.
Yeah, good, will be going well, I mean, so my family's from Cyprus will be going to Cyprus for our honeymoon next year. You know, get back to the roots, but I've never been to soccers or Greece
and you were looking at Japan for your wedding.
Yeah, you love Japan.
It's just more the fact that like, we've got these big fans. I've got a big Greek family. My mom's family's also big she's one of 10 those are the filter system like that. Yeah, I we were like we just want to do an overseas winning because that weren't places many obligations to have as many people safe we have it here locally, but I
think he made it my brother did that in Bali and go to 100 and something people
but that's what happens when you get a bow. But
Polly it's finally sunny.
Day unless you going to Norway. And
I guess if he Yeah, I guess you got to find the most neutral. Place things that are true like Fiji, Vanuatu, anything to tropical. The rationale
with Japan was that we'd been there twice in the last
I don't know. 18 months. Snow travel and we're like well it's too far to go to Europe and spend all that money plus to have the wedding by the time we want to have it. So let's just go to Japan it's quick it's easy and we'll have a look then as it as approved otherwise, it was just noisy it's not a you know doing the night. I mean, like the celebrant, he is an example a very good celebrant, you pay 1000 to 1500 dollars. They speak English for a start. You won't have any issues registering the marriage was over there. It's like four grand for a decent celebrant. So yeah, because they have to the way they have like provinces so you gotta have the wedding. Let's say you have it in Nagano which is just outside Tokyo, and then they've got a red so the marriage there, then that marriage has to be registered with the embassy, then the embassy from both sides has to recognise it, then you gotta go back and register. It's just ridiculous.
Or you could get married at the office in the CBS here in Melbourne and they don't have a tie in actor we thought hundred bucks we can start now how
Elvis dress up is whatever you want. Matt D Avella did the drive thru. drive her wedding? Well, I guess
yeah, we're we thought we'd do that. But then when we're in Japan this time around there was also a typhoon and like, Lauren's parents were just like really not came. They were just like, we do not want you to get married in Japan. Just so what are you doing? Where are you getting married at some point Philip estate on the peninsula
really come around.
It's very close to where her parents live. And we've got a lot like they've got a house there that people can use. And it's um, it's gonna be good. This
will stress you out a little bit, the whole wedding thing or
To be honest, we just realised like with the amount of connections we have amongst Melvin, it just didn't make any sense to do it
Yeah, I mean, it's Yeah, and it's proved cheaper. Anyway, my parents and her parents have stopped because they don't have to travel
now so well, I mean, it will be just a memory in the year and a half time Yeah, that you can watch back or not. If you didn't get a videographer, when are you gonna get married?
Say the wedding thing is what? I'm not sure. What the wedding side of things like the idea of Have you guys
have you guys spoken about
it? Yeah, I like the idea about being a little bit older. And so then you can really mean though well so say for like 35 or something. So if you're in your like 30s then you've really because you think about how many people will have weddings. It's like oh, what happened your best man so yeah, we've fallen out of touch not really like thank table I go to happen to everyone right? Like if you go into and look at someone I don't think it applies in this case. La guys been to been to 12 years. Yeah, same with Lorna. And so the thinking being it's like if I if we're really I mean, this is the thinking and maybe it's a little bit flawed. Super cashed up. We even potentially have our own plight like wouldn't be fucking awesome to have an epic place where you can have a really cool wedding but you have It our own home or something like that. I don't know. But then we need to we're not having it in the collinwood apartment. There's a lot of wind.
Now I think that's fine. You can just have a party to you don't have to parties. I don't have parties. You can have a dinner.
Party. Yeah. Friday Night drink. We did that once. Yeah. Be able to do it again. Yeah, we definitely have
a just a big dinner.
It doesn't really matter. We definitely like
oh, you can go into it should distract. Everyone go to SCD get married
to them. This way
you literally I see your book in can we find out about I think it's about 240 bucks to go into the Safeway what I call it. Someone has to be there to witness to the service could do we could do it for a bit of
content. That'd be fun. And next minute would you bring the gimbal would you do would you be a videographer bring the the mobile game would you really Yeah,
why not? That's actually family cool enough for me. Yeah.
the Treasury building. Okay, that's where you hit where you'd have to get it done. Is that where it is? You know? Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. Talking about podcast stuff. We're pre recording. How did we get to this? We've had a good night. This is great. This is what it's all about. No, but I wanted to get your thoughts because I did a tweet the other day about the the Australian podcast ranker
Australian podcast ranka What's up?
And if you're not a podcast with that, what is that?
So the podcast rancour, you might have seen it in the news a few months ago, probably six months ago. Commercial like right off the commercial radio Australia's rankings like podcast one now it's done by commercial radio Australia, whatever it CRA or whatever it is, and Triton digital.
Yeah, which it would try some digital who owns Omni and all the clients are like podcast, one radio stations etc. And so this is the front Thing rockiness An inside job
well, is this just by itself? This is growing and doing it the
old radio shows.
Yeah, somebody so it's all radio shows, but he's the kicker. Right so I was writing saves. Can you actually bring up the podcast Australian podcast, rancour, and just the ratio of sense to a
man I can't bring up anything and playing with my dad.
I have I'm ditching the hoodie.
It's like a tooth but you know a toothpick by the end of it. So the word is splinters. If you look at them to the bottom of the the rancour, it describes how they rank the details tells you the formula formula. What I think would be interesting is we'll get service to say and then tell me what if you think it's flawed and why it's flawed? Does that sound good? Yes, absolutely. Phantom is it on their website if you just go to like radio today and you'll find like the latest one which would have been like December 19 or something or 13 and then you click on the link and you see like it you get brought up the
PDF but before we get to that, what do you think matters more downloads or unique listeners?
Okay, so the downloads versus unique listeners
who are you speaking to? Who's your audience? Yeah, I guess what like what it what's the what's the overall goal? Sorry, like for instance so down like what is downloads implies versus what is unique audience or listeners imply unique listeners is the number of people downloads, how many things they're listening to. So downloads I actually think for us not having a huge number we would prefer having smaller unit listeners. Higher download Yeah, which would imply that continual yes now more people listen. Sorry. people listening to More shows more concise that
format as well.
Yeah. So versus if you had a high listenership what that could potentially do especially with like an interview show I reckon you would have a high listenership lower downloads, yeah.
Unique unique says what I
yeah. And so the unique listeners for you, if you have because you push really the guest out like the guest element is a big part of it right. And this week, we've got this person on Yeah, you'll get a segment of that audience each time. Whereas I think we probably understate the guest part of it a little bit more so we're not gaining as big a unique listenership each time. Yeah.
Yeah, I think that makes sense.
And so for us specifically, because we do seven days, unique down if I would actually be wrapped if our unique downloads as unique downloads, so not unique to make listening unique listeners and download numbers. If you listen as long the downloads were high, if we got to a point where it was like nine percent of our audience listen to fuckin 30 episodes a month. That's like the best scenario.
Yeah and so sense and so horses for courses Yeah.
What does that actually mean horses for chase for chalk
she uses this method is
that I guess it goes to the the fact that you can't just apply it like he's some one thing to everything and so this is what I have issue with with the Australian podcast ranking Can you just write it's very short Can you just read what it says at the bottom that says the Australian podcast rancors based on a full week reporting period, the entities listed are ranked by average weekly downloads Monday to Sunday in accordance with the latest IAB technical measurement guidelines.
Okay, so I guess average weekly downloads so if you are a radio state so
commercial Jason page is gonna do better than will land a sins velocity.
Yeah. Why is that
because he will have in a one episode every two weeks or wakers Jason page will be doing five Wake, and so some bonus episode.
And so if you were a radio station, and you wanted to play the finite game of trying to rank well, what would you do? If you were in strategy? And it's like for a radio station? Yeah. So for instance, like the radio station, because it's mainly radio stations, right? Or if it was anyone, if you're on the ranka. And it's like, we want to get to number one, what is a strategy that you would implement? So you want to get the you want to get the weekly downloads up? I don't
know man. I was actually I spoke to Jace the other week when he came in about how to value boost listeners, and he honestly believes it's all in marketing. It's not like you consistently gain more listeners over time for radio show like this, or let's say on this podcast ranking list, but it is, is when they do marketing that they actually see a boost.
So I get that in the grand scheme of things. How about this, right? This is what I would. This is What I straightaway went to, and what we've seen happen since September and it's like getting worse. If you are doing, say, five days a week, you could say, okay, go do seven days a week. If it's like Monday to Sunday, it's getting recorded or analysed, do more shows, then the other thing is okay, if it is download numbers, what happens if you segment your shows like rather than putting up the whole show, so as people doing that, and so yeah, what's been happening and what I tweeted about was, what most there's a couple of companies, radio companies that are doing this networks, where they're not being outrageous with it, but what they're doing is saying, we're going to post into the feed our one hour show, but then every one of those we're also doing like a six minute segment of one of the bits. And so then what you have doubled your Weekly download numbers by adding double the amount of content. Yeah, it's a good point. You know, I
think what do you what do they meant it no one's gonna hold them accountable to
it. So this is the thing so what's the point of it? So then you got to start asking it's like if we because I don't I'm not negative against the people who are doing it because it's just a strategy that would actually work if your if your boss says we need to increase downloads per week. It's a fact Well, why don't we just why don't we break it up with Jason PJ? I wouldn't be surprised like if I was looking at it from a purely numbers point of view, I'd say okay, you know, that pre pre show bit that you do make that its own yeah thing.
Which they have been doing. Oh, they've been doing like mini episodes every now and then. Yeah. And so I'd like to hear that. But there are companies that are going really hard what you say it so what, what do you think about the the ranka? Like, is there a way of doing this how, I guess this is this is more philosophical but like strategic question when I think I messaged you, like after Jason's interview about how, like because one of the things I asked him is how do so we're in this sort of in between period, right? Like it's obvious that indie or or small production teams like this can exist in a world of entertainment and do well, right so we know we know that is the case. Most of the ways that it is done is you know, you published your iTunes, YouTube, etc. You've still got the the arnn the SCA is of the world where they're now cottoned on to that. So how, how do you get to a point where we as the Indies can compete with that because they have the marketing budgets that we don't have the case that was one of the things I messaged you about. It's like that there's something in I don't know that I feel that there's something in billboards, there's something in developing or banding together for a lot of these large Independent glass and doing something around pulling funds to market I think a few in a mainstream sense because you
got to spend a minimum amount with and if you can if you sort of step sideways to go the radio stations a commercial entity so then they make money and a way to make money is by selling podcast advertising. One of the ways to sell podcast advertising is look like you have huge numbers or have lots of downloads because when you're talking with any brand they want to understand how many downloads Do you guys get and it can't be low has to be high yeah podcast ranking that is exclusive to or saving Lee at the start exclusive to radio stations these networks is a brand piece or a marketing piece that people will look to it I was at a person's house that's in tech industry but was in marketing and said reference that list right said oh yeah, so the Australian radio things you know, I'm ashamed to say There you see how it creating something that is serving the commercial network to sell advertising to fund their business rise accredited by the Association? Yes I mean in that that's
that's then on marketers who are buying from these radio stations to keep them accountable but also more kudos to the radio stations for coming up with a a non biassed system that gives them more props if that makes sense. But I think that the water wages do that well so I think we are we're doing it right the second I'll tell you like the difference between doing the billboard thing ever you guys getting ready facking
getting ready for life you want to do this you need to get the the shameless podcast of the world on board.
Well, I mean the bill but and then the thing on the Billboard. So putting an ad on a billboard for us. We basically need to convince 80% of the people who are in The cars that they should be listening to podcasts at all. They're not like they're currently not doing it. And so what I like about the radio industry and what they're doing is, every time they say, download our podcast, go to I heart download the podcast, they are increasing the amount of people who are listening to podcasts. What I think that we can do in the best marketing that we can have is cross pollination by being on each other's shows. Because then, if someone hears this right now, the audience size is 100% of the audience that the listener is listening to this listens to podcast, which means the Translate let's
see what you need to download podcasting. Yeah, should try it.
It's good, but I think that there is we've got to consider that which is that I don't think it makes any sense for us at this particular A moment to spend money on mainstream media. And less. I think that the only reason that you would do it is if I was a ticket sound like Aaron and I want to raise a bunch of cash. And I want to position what I'm doing is a TV competing with TV networks. I would use things like billboards as status or as a way of demonstrating, you know, the posture of being a TV network that would get people to buy in, but I don't think that for us and what we're doing, it would actually increase the amount of downloads then say, a great
podcast collaboration. Well, I guess that comes to like the question of like monetization and networks, like these networks have been a big thing in in the US, so I mean, when are you guys gonna consider monetizing? We aren't like we're definitely
we have yet doing it, but it's been more iterative. It's been less like saying we're going to do all these ads. So it starts off.
Yeah. So let's add roles. Yeah, experiment.
Yeah, integrate. And so like we did the Four Seasons integration, which was awesome. That was like 97. We've done we work with right before we
left for the day.
Ventra I pay our web hosts, we got a great relationship with them. And so it is that longer, longer game that we're we're playing. But I think that you definitely hit on a important point around the network stuff. Like I think that the one area that we want to work in, or work with in 2020 years, what does it look like to have a network not necessarily the traditional network of having 100 of our own shows, like sort of a podcast one, but what does it mean to be an independent network? So what does it mean to have the benefits of an network with people like you and your show like how do we how do we create in that web? Yeah, without having to say, Hey, come on board, we're going to take a cut. Yeah, because I don't see the long term benefits. I've just seen too many times. The Southern Cross stereos of the world, building personal brands, building the high mission and ease of the world or giving a platform or saying, Hey, here's a room and then a mission, and you build this amazing thing. A mission and you don't really owe FCI anything that Oh, podcast, one, I think so they can just leave at any moment. And then the question becomes, what are you as a network? Yeah. And I believe that the networks are the people. And unless there is actual proper buy in for those networks, unless those people who are talent are in the network. you're renting. you're renting people?
Yeah, I think you have to see it like a Industry Association in a way the way that industry associations will promote the Benefits of the people that are members and work on things that are mainly like marketing or promotional related.
So what would you do? What do you think we should do?
I don't know. I'm saying that I need to think about data. I know that there is a good example in the US something wolf is the name of evil. Yeah. So they the way they did it is they just brought in talent and they co promoted amongst the other podcasts that they have. And I think they pulled marketing goals as well. Because Another thing is, like you said before that promoting podcast and other podcasts like
I think I
did I speak to you about pod cone at the end? You spoke to me, we've we registered? Yes. Yeah. I've noticed that. There are other other podcasts now paying or setting campaigns up on political
Well, I've got a theory on that to turn quick overview marketplace for profit. ads.
If you go to podcast, you can sign up and this brands looking for people.
Our podcast is now appearing as brands. Yes, I Jordan have. What's his last name? hub hub? Yes. He, he's on there saying, Hey, I'm wanting to advertise. And the thing is that if you read the description, he says, message me with your downloads, numbers. And so my theory around that is that that's actually just an exercising, gaining data so he wants it because I dm I had like a five minute dm with him. We tried to get him on when we're in Los Angeles and he's like, first question was like download numbers and all that sort of thing. And we're like, sort of quite friendly in conversation. Then soon as he got all of our stats it was sort of like done and so when I then saw him promoting that I was like a clever got, like, seems like the type of guy who probably have a fucking VA somewhere. And he's just running all these numbers. And he has a good sense of like the like, it's clever. It's a good sense of the industry. So what's it doing? What's the benefit for him? Yeah, by doing that, so the benefit would be gaining IP, right. Like, there's no public way for us to really understand what sort of download numbers people are getting. Yeah. And so if you start getting a good sense, and maybe there is, maybe there's 5%, of what he's doing like of that pod corn or whatever example, where he then goes and says, they're actually really undervalued with how many people that have listening versus what they're asking from advertising, and then they'll spend, but I just, I connected those two interactions I was like, are maybe, maybe he's building out that thing, especially if you are up at the he's doing a lot of work in regards to like growth hacking and trying to build up his podcast.
I've never listened to podcast.
Thanks for being a listener. So,
yeah, he was he was, yeah, he was on the head, The Art of Charm podcast. That was his. And then yeah, they he rebranded or he left that and it's doing that now. Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, it's a, it feels like a small community here in Australia.
It does it is small. Australia is small. I mean, in comparison, I didn't know what I haven't looked at the latest IBC like, you know, they collect that data on how many people actually listening to podcasts and whatnot, which, which makes me wonder around, like, how do you how do you make it in this space? here because I feel like, you know, this is one thing that we had with our show where we've moved away from the mix and gone towards more of an interview show style setting is thinking about do you pitch the show to do a series on like a network or something like that? Like, where's the lice in the market? And how do you make it Mames mainstream I guess?
I think it like we're trying to be a little bit more like platform agnostic. So it's not like rush. And that's what you're doing as well like talking about it being a show rather than just a podcast. Yeah,
I think what about if you approach any creative project with you're not going to be the mega star? You're not going to be the Tom Cruise of acting the Logan Paul of YouTube, which are the unicorns, the the the grain of sand in the world, like, in the US very poetic. 100% um, that's someone poetic guy. Yeah,
yeah. Yeah, it was it's a single strain of hair
as trying to just really give it that was awesome. And then so you go, or what is the other options? The other options is isn't competing for the, the you're not playing the status games of everybody else.
Yeah, I guess it comes back to the fact of what what is it that you actually want from what you're doing? mean to be honest, if I just continue doing the podcast, we don't make any money and we just make our money through the creative side of the business. I'd be quite happy.
Isn't that monetizing the podcast
then like this is where I think the the framing but this is lifestyle correct. This is what happens when you get to a certain level and you keep improving and you start you just keep asking yourself these you have IDs of what's the word like grandiose
this is I think I've got lifestyle credit with my book, my books and that wine cellar I went oh my god, I was listening to that last night.
You on board?
Well, so I used to work as a sommelier when I was in
a wine Yeah, yeah. I mean,
I can remember what was the rationale for you even doing having wine or
bit or the seller the seller
the sellers just it was a piece of information the story where you walk through the cellar into the thing that have your what your books I was enjoying
Zilla into another room. So what I was doing was anchoring The financials so it's easier for me to sell to braid like a what I'm talking about spending on books is a month that is only like three bottles of good wine
I would say that it's a better investment buying the books anyway yeah because you're going to have him a far more exponential
there read the books.
You have to read him he doesn't read them to get
them I do read all the books you buy
you got a few books in your I do you're the
one I feel like the ones that you have in the background you may be read because there's just
all except for one that the ones that are up in this little corner because for a while I was buying like 50 at a time and that's right.
Tim Ferriss but I hadn't met
now I'm not
actually I also need to check George's mom from Byron Bay so she'll potentially buy my stock right? Writing so I need to check how many copies I have
yet got will do that today.
And I did also find a fair price. I want to be fair. Yeah, like I really I just Don't even Yeah, what was it going? Yeah So the one thing so if I want to get into what because I'm always saying you and Lauren at like ready
I'm sure we would we would buy a couple bottles a year like a bottles a year that are nice and we'll put them away in Laurens dad said that he said it is that lifestyle. couple of bottles eight bottles is a small number as opposed to 100 or whatever. Yeah you cannot 100 is over a long period of time but you hold on to wine and not drink it. I've rotate them so like we're drinking wines that we bought in 2012 at the moment, so when we went to Europe, we've got a great, great blend. Are they not from 2012 we just bought them in 2012 it's still great. Yeah, yeah, I'd like the ones that fantastic. We have a lot of good memories like frosted 2012 memories. Yeah, because we're travelling in Europe. So you want to drink wine that you forget the memories that the idea is it's not joy, enjoy like you're going to be great fat. I only open it at like birthdays. Christmas is a really
random Wednesday night. What if the parties on Wednesday night?
Yeah, like I'll go to like flat con sparrows and buy like a 40 $50 bottle. Where's that? Is that in? is a couple round? Yeah. Like
there's one in Smith street in Collingwood. What's the most expensive one you drank drink?
So they used to be a guy. Do you guys know? The guy who owns Specsavers? Have you ever seen him on the ads? You know the old Specsavers? Isn't that where your mom works she works yeah I don't know if she knows that only the only used to be in the ads he sort of got like a comb over come over here the smart looking dude always cross these arms the end incise online but should have gone to spec sizes. Yeah. Something like that. Yeah, I'm pretty sure he said it anyway. So he I went to the botanical is a one white. This is when the botanical went into receivership. And where is the Botanical Gardens.
So I got a job as a familia when I shouldn't have because all I had was experiences of vida who really likes wine but they couldn't hire anyone because everyone's like, Fuck the botanical went broke, blah, blah, blah, get this job. I'm working like 40 hours a week. And on Saturdays you get this guy would come in and he'd buy in like a bottle of Lafite Rothschild, which is like a $2,000 bottle $3,000 bottle and it haven't with a plate of cheese. It's there for two hours. I'm Sony's own for me leave me like this much. And I've still got all the bottles at home.
What he said to you, right? He's a bit he
always leave me like half a glass.
And it's and he'd say, though, this is for you.
Yeah, he's a lovely guy.
It was a real Sandy Chase. It was a real pile and
he's like, I am so wealthy. Yeah, I will leave you this half. Did
you count were you like, Okay, that was a two and a half book brand.
I just enjoyed it.
Was it good? Did you say that? You have the bottles still?
Yeah, I've got them.
Drinking them. Oh, no, no, no, cuz it goes back
Drinking just I just left
the bottle never seen like I thought because once you've opened it it's fact you need to drink it straight away you drink it
straight away I would let others taste it just so they could learn what this wine tastes like love that you just let you have some
joy become a real bitch since the specs
because you'd be doing training for PayPal and you will have to see what the what is it
was a two and a half thousand dollar bottle of wine has it taste different as a $23 one from Dan Murphy's.
I reckon there is not much difference between it depends on the wine and who who makes it honestly you can you can buy a $30 bottle at Blackheart and sparrows and will be far better than a $200 bottle that you'll find a dense I often find because it's dependent on the quality of the winemaker but when you get to that level you tasting wines that are made by a machine that basically removes all inputs, not a machine. machine but like a system that removes all imperfections in the wine through the age of the vines through the processes in which they make it through is organic important. Depends do you get the Lorna does she gets red flush if she has like lots of sulphur based one
i saw i think it was Gemma's mom. She's allergic to something in the red wine. She had one drops, and you put into the wine and
that's next level, isn't it? I'm fucking having this drink.
They look they look cute
little droplets just like people who can't it's like Mikey with these dairy.
I Yes. He's like, yeah, you have to like just at that point. You have your cheese and then you smash your legs. It's hard. Yeah.
That's very funny. Back to these wines from 2012. We bought a lot of stuff in Italy in this place in pinzer, where it's a wine shop. I'm by an old bloke who knows the region and he would just buy local winery. And a by like a case of every single one they'd made and not really, like he's going for these medium sort of wineries these wineries that hadn't been around as long but now they've been around for a while and so we like bought bottles that were from 1986 that were 15 euro and we brought back and there's nobody running Australia and I'm a fucking amazing
and sorry How do you What's the because I could get around this. So import bringing it in, you can bring
I don't know what it is
90 serves but the certain amount of leverage that you can bring
like four or five bottles or something so much is it? It's a lot I guess. Ah puppers back we brought back like 10 Yeah, 2.25 litres per adult. Yeah, so my brother bought back his stash when he left France and then I brought a stash back with with Lauren, should we be doing this like if we ever go to Europe? Is it just honestly Josh?
No, really. I mean, if you don't know what you're doing, like what you need to know what is I'll just go to the damn Murphy's equation. I
just another thing to do.
You guys And isn't that what life is? It's true. It's good point. I don't know I'll go to wings and sparrows or what have you said blackhearts inspires Good. All right, Jordan, we should make this a regular actually, maybe we
would you do need to have you guys back. Yeah, it's been a while since you were on.
I mean, the thing is that your format obviously that found like the that biographical sort of thing. What can we do? I guess we can't really do banter. What if we came back? What would you like to talk about? Just we can do better?
I mean, I think it's horses for courses.
So for today,
yeah. I just it just depends. I mean, we get guests on regularly now which we just it's more it's more of a bent stop
feeding throw people into your setup. We have if you want to have Josh around to talk to you about books he hasn't read. Like I'd love to do what like
how I mean a useless stingy with your one like if I was to hang out with you if I but if I was hanging out with you would you be like like no I have some why oh you like no Lord This is learning my thing like that that fucking glass. That's always good sign nice because I don't drink very no but as in safe I was to hang out with you. Yeah. And like we came over and we had dinner Yeah. But what would you open up wine?
I would probably go to black hearts and sparrows and buy like a 4050 joke about the one when you there? Yeah, I'd want to know about what's who made it was from what you tell the people at? Yeah, this is where this is how you used to sell as a similar you can bring a bottle that's 100 and $200 next to each other if the story's better on the $200 when they take that
and so what's the what's the ethics around like? All the social stuff because I sevens and I went to Jim's New Year's Eve party and we brought some alcohol and then she said Now is this for the fridge or for the eskie? First of all, I'm like, what's the difference? Do you guys know what the difference is in regards to drinking right
now you want to put in the fridge four litre
fridge or eskie though.
esky is he's like it's like accessibility. What was it? What was the alcohol? What
was it wasn't red wine champagne.
I'd love to see what the audience thinks about eskie etiquette.
You know, what
is bs? It is a BS n one. And so it was like the wine life was king stopped. Some of them can start to sort of peel off
white wine or rose at that point. It's like you just churning through that shit Friskies? Like ready to go Yeah, unless it's an esky off to the side that is close that you like put some shit in there that you were there to Huskies? Yeah, I don't know one of the things that Jim has has he the ready goes in the so
called dream brain I will like it we ended up having like migrators and stuff like we didn't actually need the champagne as well. Like let's leave it for Gemma. Yeah, we told her the next day like we left you some champagne. I don't care. Yeah, and she's like, awesome up there and she did a whole investigation found her pregnant pregnant friend and drank it.
glass bottle. Yeah, with different you can drink so, bottle when you can't. You can't. You probably shouldn't use
half glass. Yeah, I'm not promoting it.
I mean, look, my mom drank and smoked for the first three months when she was pregnant. Yeah,
yeah, just can't swallow sometimes.
Ladies, Thanks, buddy for coming on the show. Let's Yeah, we'll do
it again and have a have a wine or something awesome.
There you go to episode with one. Yeah, I'd love that. Yeah, and offline Wine Library.
We're gonna we need maybe three bottles, not to get through them all but to taste the difference and hear the stories from Jordan. Five, five seconds the empathy one thing. Oh, raro actually good one. It's okay. Rah, rah. Yeah. And that's not because Gary Vee didn't show up. You know, not It's just okay Rosa Okay,
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