The Follow Up With Tully Smyth

Tommy: The Daily Talk Show. It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 559.

Josh: Tali Smyth.

Tully: Hey boys.

Josh: Back on the show from the Mondrian.

Tully: I'm so happy to be here. I've actually really missed you guys.

Tommy: Same.

Tully: We spent so much time together overseas and you know what we said, you know, when you see friends overseas, you really— it's an extra special bonding time, isn't it?

Josh: Well, it does. It connects you up.

Tully: It really does.

Josh: It connects others closer than others, if that makes any sense.

Tully: Yeah, I think I know what you're referring to.

Tommy: Mr. 97, have you got your Raya approved yet? Is that what it's called? Okay.

Tully: So yeah, I've pushed, I've pushed him through. So I had to, he had to use my number to get onto the app.

Josh: Yeah.

Tully: And then once he did that, I got this pop-up saying, you know, Mason has said that he knows you and I click yes, I approve. I, you know, he's a good guy. No, I don't approve of this guy or I don't know this person.

Josh: Okay.

Tully: And so obviously I press I don't know this person.

Tommy: And so this was the app for celebrities. Can you just open your phone? Can I see? Are in Abbotsford right now because obviously we saw Los Angeles.

Tully: Oh, trust me, it's very different.

Tommy: The CEO of Firefox.

Josh: Is there anyone on?

Tully: You know, it's fun. It's always fun when things are happening, right? So if like the Aus Opens in town, you've got tennis players there. I matched with Lewis Hamilton when he was in town.

Josh: He's on it.

Tully: Yeah, but he's also yay high.

Josh: What's he doing though?

Tully: Being honest?

Josh: Yeah, but I mean, he's—

Tully: I don't know. He had really bad chat too.

Josh: What's he just like? Has he outsourced it to his PA or something?

Tully: No, I just feel like, I guess guys that are that wealthy and that well-known, and he's not even that good looking in my opinion, I guess they don't feel like they have to try very hard, so they don't really bother with conversation. Whereas I'm someone who needs a bit of banter, a bit of stimulus.

Josh: It all goes down to the DMs.

Tully: It's sad, isn't it?

Josh: Compared to LA.

Tully: You remember how in LA every single dot was like—

Tommy: We'd have to go all— drive all the way to Windsor. Chad, to go to Revolver upstairs.

Josh: Is that where they are?

Tully: No, it's not.

Tommy: Who's there? Tori and Mel.

Josh: They're still there from last night.

Tommy: Yeah, they're DJ, so they work there.

Tully: They're about to start tonight.

Tommy: If you're a DJ, surely you don't have to hang throughout the day before you start.

Josh: No, you definitely don't. Um, this is, uh, party season.

Tully: It is. God, I'm so tired. Can you hear it in my voice?

Josh: Are you just tired from LA? That was like a month and a half.

Tully: I swear to God, I have not stopped partying because you guys know I hit it up pretty hard in LA. Very hard.

Josh: How many nights were you there?

Tully: I was there for 10 nights and I was out every single night and usually till like 3, 4, 5 AM.

Josh: I wish you had one of those rings on, Oura ring, counts your sleep.

Tully: It was not much.

Josh: 10 days, not much sleep. 20 hours.

Tommy: I would actually be interested in that.

Tully: How much sleep I get? It's not a lot. And I swear to God, I have not stopped since. So this is the busiest time of year for me. Obviously it's party, silly season, it's Christmas parties, but also brands really want to get their collabs out before Christmas time because they want us to push products that then you guys go buy for Christmas presents. So I've just been like nonstop. I sound like a 3-pack-a-day smoker and I don't smoke.

Tommy: I only do it too.

Josh: I was at 7-Eleven yesterday behind a guy who apparently vaped. He's like, I can have a packet of this. $30 for a packet of cigarettes now. That's ridiculous.

Tully: I can't afford to smoke.

Josh: It's fucking ridiculous.

Tully: I'm sure I could get some kind of sponsorship though, right?

Josh: Really? Have you been contacted ever by a brand?

Tully: No, they can't legally advertise. It's just like, you can't, like, good luck finding someone smoking in any Australian drama or soapy, like you just don't see it anymore.

Josh: They're not punching darts on Neighbours.

Tully: No one's punching darts on Neighbours. What a great storyline. Someone like having a vape problem. Matilda's vape addiction.

Tommy: Surely if it's like a negative sort of thing, they would allow it for the sort of commentary.

Tully: I mean, movies, obviously you still see like badasses smoking, but no, like Australian, like Neighbours and Home and Away, you'll never see a cigarette.

Josh: What's your favourite party over the summer?

Tully: Do you know what? I managed to avoid going to the races this year. We were obviously together in LA, so I am looking forward to the polo. The polo is just like a more chilled—

Josh: January.

Tully: Yeah, the more, more chilled, looser, like just everyone sort of, you know, you take your shoes off if you want. It's just a much— it's just the one day as well. So you don't feel like you're sort of—

Tommy: When are we going? When is it?

Josh: I've been. It's good. We should go.

Tully: I've already promised Mase a ticket to—

Josh: what did I promise you?

Tommy: To the Melbourne Cup.

Tully: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Josh: Your dad plays polo. That could be fun.

Tully: Mase, you're telling me that your dad's big fan of my— are your parents a big fan of mine now?

Mason: Yeah.

Tully: Do they think we're getting married? I told you, if you put a ring on this finger and a baby inside of me, I'm down.

Tommy: Really?

Josh: Which order? Which order?

Tully: Yes, a whole baby. I want half a baby.

Josh: But which order?

Tommy: Yeah, okay, baby first or ring?

Tully: God, we're running out of time. Um, ring first. I'm, I'm a Catholic girl, so we'll do a ring first. Catholic? Your dad will want the ring first.

Tommy: All right, guys, uh, weird flex from me, but you always have weird flexes.

Tully: What's happening now?

Tommy: Uh, I have— oh wow. A, uh, what is it called? An apple. A $100 note.

Josh: What, what have you— why is it rolled up?

Tommy: This is my flex.

Tully: You don't hang out in my world, obviously.

Tommy: I've got a $100 bill. When was the last time you had a $100 bill? '97? You ever touched one before?

Tully: I can't tell whether he's joking or not.

Josh: No, he's actually being serious.

Tully: Where did you—

Mason: you had to go to an AGM to get that.

Tommy: So this is the thing I wanted to talk about. So I went to a Christmas thing for my parents —and this is just getting cooler and cooler, this story. No, and so it's so weird because the thing is, it's like I spend $100 each on Mum and Dad. Yeah. And they spend— but then they just, they gave me $100 cash as my present. That's just because it wasn't very Christmas. But I just feel like it can potentially be a little bit transactional in regards to how— Oh, I hate that.

Tully: I've only got my dad and my two brothers and we do Secret Santa, which to me is already lazy. I'm happy to buy all three of them a present. Like we only have each other really. You can't buy three presents. Yeah. But then I make it secret. We use a website, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Tommy: Yeah. What website do you use?

Tully: Draw?

Josh: Draw Names? Yeah, something like that. Draw Names? Yeah, we did that for this year.

Tully: And the budget's $150. And then obviously I get one of them and keep it a secret. And I'm very, it's a very thoughtful gift. And they just talk to each other. Oh mate, I got you. What do you want? Oh, just here it is.

Josh: Yeah, it's called secret for a reason.

Tully: There goes Christmas.

Josh: He's ruined Christmas. We know everybody's. It was like Amy's sister got me again. Again. I got my— Again, 2 years in a row.

Tully: Fucking hell. I better not say who I haven't got. Where's this airing? 28th. It's after. 27th?

Tommy: Fun.

Tully: Um, wait, speaking of notes, I saw a thing the other day on Instagram, a poll that had me a bit confused, and it was a $20 note and it was a poll and it said red or orange, and I couldn't decide what I thought.

Tommy: Uh, of a $20 note?

Tully: Yeah, is it red or orange?

Josh: It's orange. Lobster. Lobster's orange. It's orange.

Tully: But then you look at it, if you look at it for a bit longer, it does look a bit red.

Josh: I know what you mean, but it's called the— it's called a lobster.

Tully: So if we're referring to the— what if— what, when we're making our drug deals on the street?

Josh: Yeah, you get a lobster. The pineapple.

Tully: But I did say lobsters could kind of look orange and red depending on when you cook, like when the cooking process.

Josh: They do change color.

Tommy: Do you have any cash on you, Tully?

Tully: No, I don't carry a lot of cash. I just tap my phone. Just tapy tap.

Tommy: When was the last time you actually— like, because I was thinking in the States. Okay. Because I feel like I could be, because I've got friends.

Tully: When we went to the strip club, I mean, we did $1 bills. Mason had one in his mouth.

Josh: It was amazing how hard Mason went.

Tully: I really wish we got to take the cameras, you know, to all those fun spots we went to. Jumbo's was great. You were on fire that night.

Tommy: Is Jumbo's a strip joint?

Tully: Yeah, we went there. No, I've never— Mason got up on stage. No, it was just Mason and I. Then we brought that lovely girl back to— it was great.

Josh: Now, can we work out what colour Mason is right now? Is it orange or red?

Tully: I think it's peach. It's a peach color. I just love tormenting Mason.

Josh: Grant Smiley is playing. Oh, he's home. Newsday, I think, or Eve. One of the two.

Tully: Yeah, he's home and he's having a big party at Ponyfish as well that he's invited me to. We should all go together. Where's our invite? Let's go. I'm sure if you wanted a ticket to Newsday, I'm sure he'd hook you up.

Josh: I didn't know I'd have to do that. I'd have to party. Oh, I'm not. I'm away. I'm away, which is unfortunate, Grant, but thanks for inviting me. If you are thinking about it, I'd still appreciate you to ask me before. It's nice that he's home. So recently we got slid into the DMs by a brand and they said, we'd like you to come to a— we would like to gift you some of our product. And this is huge. And first of all, I thought, nah, this is dodgy. I was like, I don't even know. No, no, no, no. This is the Rod and Gun clothing. I mean, I'm rocking it now. And so, but it was this moment where it's like, I haven't really had a great deal of this happen. You're probably someone who has it happen all the time. What's something weird that's actually come off? Because we were like, I don't know if this is actually a thing. And then all of a sudden sudden we're in there walking out with shitloads of products.

Tully: How great is it though?

Tommy: I didn't feel confident like going in. It's an awkward—

Tully: I call it the awkward dance. There's always an awkward bit where you're like, do they know this is for free? I'm gonna have to tell them that it's for free. That's awkward, especially at cafes, because so often, you know, whoever the social media person is that contacts me and says, come in, we'd love to shout you lunch, is never the person on the floor that day. Yeah. So then you have this huge meal because you always overorder if it's free.

Tommy: Yeah. A lot of sides.

Tully: Yeah. You order 4 of, you know, 4 of whatever just to photograph. And then the bill comes and you're like, oh, actually, oh, sorry, this is actually— do you want me to— I got an Insta. Let me just show you the DM that was sent. It's so awkward every time.

Tommy: Have you ever, have you out of embarrassment? Because I went over my— I didn't realize.

Josh: Oh, it's also awkward.

Tully: You get given a budget and you go over it.

Tommy: I went over the budget and they said, oh, so it's just $180 over. And I was just like—

Tully: Either have to stand there and like be really real tight-ass and like put two t-shirts back or just go, oh, that's totally fine. I'll just get the difference. Yeah, well, it was a little bit like that.

Tommy: I was sort of in a position where I was like, had a charity event the next day that I was emceeing. It's like, I guess I could just have the suit jacket and see what I've got at home. So you put the items back. Yeah, you know, so I ended up being like, I'm like, how about I take it? And if it's an issue, then I can just return it the next day. But I still didn't have the the balls to say, can I have shoes? So I wore with my suit Vans.

Tully: Don't ever— don't do that. Don't you have a— you've got a girlfriend to stop you from doing this.

Tommy: I know, but she was texting me a lot and she did say she was questioning— Don't wear—

Josh: I know. He's worn it, it's done.

Tommy: At the very least— Do I have a photo?

Tully: At the very least, if you— not even that way.

Tommy: Loafers? No. What are they called? Boat shoes? Boat shoes.

Josh: It's like the boat shoe style.

Tully: With a suit? No, it's not.

Josh: It's not like a racist suit.

Tommy: It's more— it was for a— like chinos. What are we doing?

Josh: It's more— yeah, chinos. Yeah. Like, he looks like he's fresh out of Reaver. Yeah.

Tommy: What's a Reaver?

Josh: Reaver, the bar.

Tully: What's Reaver? You're just really uncool.

Tommy: What is Reaver though?

Josh: What did we say? A bar.

Tully: It's a bar. It's a venue.

Josh: So have you got a bunch in your inbox that you haven't activated?

Tully: Yeah, I've got ones now that I'm ignoring. I do respond to Everybody. I just sometimes I'm not as enthusiastic about it.

Josh: So what have we got? She's gone to her message requests. She's got her phone out right now.

Tommy: I don't like the general or the, the, you know how they've got the two different inboxes now?

Tully: Oh yeah. Oh, this is where the weird stuff happens in this one.

Josh: This is where it's gone through.

Tully: People are offering me Botox.

Josh: Really? Hang on, just read one out. We won't tell their brand because that's why you're not doing it because you don't want to endorse them.

Tully: Okay, someone's offering me a bed. A bed? Yep.

Tommy: Just, you have to stay at the guy's house. This is great.

Tully: Okay, this is a bad message because I don't even know what they're trying to give me. Hey Tully, brand name there, is our brand new online company that launched in August. Lush faux suede mats and strength balls in fresh original colours with a sleek badass vibe are just what you need to get sweaty. At this point I'm wondering what exactly am I being offered? Our mats are made from recycled plastic bottles and our balls are free of BPA and toxic glues. That's good. We'd absolutely love to send you a mat or a ball to vamp up your next workout. Okay, there we go. It's the first time I'm realising this is a yoga mat. What's your best address for postage? Thanks, and hopefully talk soon.

Tommy: Have you got a PO box?

Tully: I don't, but I just have my agency. I just get things sent to. That's another one.

Tommy: Do you want to use our PO box? Seriously.

Josh: PO box. Yeah, just give it to me.

Tully: I'll start sending you some weed. Sure. PO box.

Josh: Can you do that for me, bro?

Tully: I already know what the first delivery is going to be. It's going to be a bunch of vibrators.

Tommy: Yeah, no, that's cool. Your girlfriend will love it.

Tully: Your wife will love it.

Josh: Hey, what about me?

Tully: I'll love it, mate. So what is the policy?

Josh: What about me?

Tully: I mean, you're welcome to use.

Josh: What is the policy? That's fine.

Tully: You can give it a go if you want. Might work on your arm. Again, always at the— why do we always come here?

Josh: You went there first.

Tully: We always get lost.

Tommy: You mentioned the word A-double-S.

Josh: What happens when you accept free stuff? That's the thing I was going to ask you.

Tully: Did you have posting requirements?

Josh: No, not at all. Just a gifting opportunity. Literally just—

Tommy: they said it would be nice if you did.

Josh: Yeah. So the old guilt trip. But that's not to me definitive.

Tully: No. So to be completely honest with you, you guys are still such small fry that—

Josh: Mate, let's end this now. You're only going to—

Tommy: let's turn the lights off.

Josh: There's always the best chat.

Tully: Small fry. You guys are micro-influencers. Micro, micro. With micro-penises.

Josh: It's better than having a micro-penis like people would have.

Tully: You're micro-influencers. So at the moment you'd only be accepting, it'd be silly of them to, you know, you can't really ask for money and they can't really assume you're gonna post. But once you get to sort of my level. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tommy: It's all about.

Tully: What is it then? As a macro-influencer. Macro. It's really up to me. So if I really, really want something or if something's of quite, you know, a lot of value, you know, if I'm gonna get a free mattress, you know, mattress, pillows, bed base, that's, you know, that's a lot of money. I'm happy just to do it for a post. I won't be like, yeah, I'll do it. Give me the free stuff plus pay me $1,000 plus. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Josh: But as a person, I was going to call you an influencer, but as someone who has their job as endorsing products or, you know, spreading people's brands, what's the point of starting between where you go I'll do it all for free. It's all contra to actually making any money because I reckon we can get heaps of contra shit. Yeah, it doesn't serve us to build a business for free.

Tully: And it is again, so grateful and so lucky. But you know, when someone's like, oh, but you know, we're going to give you— it's like, yeah, that's so great and that's really lovely of you and I appreciate that, but I can't pay my rent with that t-shirt, you know? I think for like $10K you can start charging. It might just be $50 a post, But from like 10K, when you've got this just the K sign, because you guys are still in digits, aren't you?

Tommy: Yes, yes.

Tully: 2,500. Yes. So there's a way to go.

Tommy: It's very slow.

Tully: Oh, it's so hard. Yeah.

Josh: So how can we try and get to the K? Yeah, absolutely.

Tully: I mean, you guys are getting some really, you guys are getting some really great friends in high places. Like you're getting some pretty great talent through here. Yeah. You don't know. Or are you talking about yourself? No, I'm a friend of the show.

Josh: I'm not talking about myself.

Tully: Okay, friend of the show. Although we do go on tour together.

Tommy: Yeah, that's alright. Do you find that it's, if you get something for free, is also the other thing that you potentially removing the opportunity for them to give you money?

Tully: Yes, that's why Jen, my manager, can get a bit shitty with me sometimes because it does devalue if you suddenly, if you're suddenly posting for free, you know, for one. But then it kind of can work both ways. Clinique, for example, is a skincare brand that I've used my whole life and I I've always paid for products, but I also, I have this, you know, this moisturiser that is just so great, and I've posted about before and it's not been paid post. And then now recently they've gotten in touch with Jenna. Now I'm doing paid work with them, so it can work both ways. They've seen that I genuinely love the product, they've seen me post about it a multitude of times, and they've gone, hey, let's get in touch with her and let's do some actual, you know, collaborations with her. So it can work both ways. But it, yeah, I do tend to, uh, to be a little bit generous with my postings, even on trips and stuff. You know, you do a trip and it's generally one post a day per night that you're on this trip. That's what I agree to. That's what I sign off to. That's what Jen's, you know, bargained down. That's what we're charging for. But I always have such a good time when you're traveling. I do like 12 posts a day and Jen's like, darling, like, what? You know, it's good value, it's good content for me. I'm in a great place. I'm actually having a good, generally good time. I'm not going to not post photos because we've only agreed to post 3. Like the photo of us in LA.

Josh: I love that photo. Was that— did it do well? Did you work that into some kind of deal? Or is that just—

Tully: that was just my charity work. Okay, great, great. Everyone go for me. Have we had a look at that recently?

Josh: Yeah, let's get some insights on our posts.

Tully: I also posted a photo of just me and Mase, which I— if you scroll back, I never post photos of me and a guy because it usually causes some kind of controversy.

Josh: But any DMs about that?

Tully: Any— a lot of DMs from my girlfriends. Yeah. Who the hell is this guy? Yeah, who's this?

Tommy: I love those We don't know what happened, but EPLP took down— they put up a photo of 97 and you and then they took it down. Did they really? Yeah. Really? That's okay. That's controversial. Yeah. Yeah. We should find out what happened. There's obviously something. I remember it going up, actually.

Josh: Yeah. Should we call Grant right now?

Tommy: We should. I was wondering.

Tully: Grant liked both of the photos of us, by the way. So we got Grant's approval.

Josh: Did they do all right? Yeah, they did well.

Tommy: The, um, have you heard the storey about the restaurant that called out the influencer?

Tully: I have, yep. What happened?

Josh: So I remember lightly, but so, well, it's happened a couple of times.

Tully: Love Island contestant.

Tommy: And so basically she's slid into the DMs of a restaurant saying, hey, I can come into your restaurant.

Tully: Which I will say is common practise these days.

Tommy: Exactly. And so that's what I'm curious about, is it's like, it's poor form by the restaurant.

Josh: So she did the reach out.

Tully: She did, which is completely— that happens all the time. And, you know, in her defense, she didn't say, hi, can we come in and get free food? She was like, hey, are you guys open to a collaboration? Which is how you word it, how everyone words it. I've done it a million times. Not ever, not so much with restaurants anymore. That's kind of not really done more. So for instance, if I was going away and I wanted to stay at a hotel before I book it and pay full price, you've got nothing to lose to reach out to the marketing or the PR chick and be like, hey, I'm coming up anyway, my flights are booked, I'd love to stay there. Do you, you know, would you be open to a collaboration? Or alternatively, do you have a media rate? And then, you know, they'll say, yeah, great, we'd love to give you one night for free or two nights for free in return for this. Or they might say, don't do collaborations, but happy to give you a 10% off media rate. And then, you know, sort of everyone wins. I get 10% off, I still do a couple of posts for them. I felt bad for her. I thought that was, that was pretty off.

Tommy: I wonder how it'd go, Mexican Cantina, Nari Warren, just calling up and saying, hey, It's Josh here. Oh yeah, would you like to book a table? Actually, it's a collab. How about a collaboration? Well, you're looking for a job.

Tully: You guys did an episode from there.

Tommy: That could totally work. Oh yeah, we could do it.

Josh: Do you think it's— do you think that like all these businesses have become tighter in terms of allowing this stuff to go down based on the amount of people now?

Tully: Yeah, I can see both points of view. I also can understand from, you know, a business owner like you're thinking, who the hell are these young fuckwits? Thinking they can just come in here and get a free meal. I think generally in my experience, people that react like that and it was pretty— they were pretty ferocious. They tend to be of an older generation who don't quite get, grasp influencer marketing, you know, social media, how it all works, how that can be. You know, I know for a fact there is a cafe who that was struggling and they had my friend Steph Claire Smith come in and do a post and it literally saved their business. Really? So it does work. It is effective. It is an effective form of marketing. There are just ways and ways of going about it. I always make sure when I do my reach outs that I'm making sure that they're aware of what I'm willing to offer them. Like I sort of, I give them my numbers, I give them my stats, my reach, you know, I'm like, I'm happy to do some posts or stories, whatever you guys want. If I'm traveling, I'm happy to do a blog post or, you know, write up a review on, 'cause hotels love TripAdvisor reviews. Like if you offer that, they'll just, they'll give you the whole place for free.

Tommy: Really? They love it. A TripAdvisor, everyone can do a TripAdvisor review. Yeah, but it has a lot of weight.

Tully: I think when the average Joe is booking a place, they cheque places like TripAdvisor a lot. They're not necessarily clearly, you know, Mary and Ken from Altona probably aren't checking the super slick Instagram feed. They're probably more likely to cheque TripAdvisor. Um, so you do have—

Tommy: do you have a TripAdvisor account? I do. Can you look up Tully's TripAdvisor account, please? I don't even know if it's under my name, to be honest.

Tully: Oh really?

Tommy: So you'd have to use— but no, I think when I made it, it was—

Tully: I made it years ago before I was anything. I'm still not anything, let's be honest.

Josh: For your macro— your micro.

Tully: No, I wasn't even at— I wasn't even at— this is a guy I'm actually going to date with tonight.

Tommy: Oh really? I won't say their name.

Josh: Can we read it?

Tully: No, I think I'm going to— I think I'm going to bail. You're going to bail on him? I think so.

Josh: What do you— do you lie or do you—

Tully: No, no, no, no. I'm just like exhausted. So you say that? I'm just like, I've got nothing in the tank.

Josh: Okay. Love it. Do you think the younger generation now are having a harder time at communicating the truth as to, you know, say like relationships and why stuff isn't working necessarily.

Tully: Yeah, I think we're just, it's commonplace. People just assume the worst of everybody. Like, you know, it's so commonplace to be ghosted, so you don't feel too bad doing it yourself. I don't know, we're kind of just treating each other like crap. I think dating apps have completely ruined dating. I mean, neither of you would know, Mase. I don't know if you're on any dating apps.

Josh: I mean, it's usually the naive ones that go for the crème de la crème. Fuckin' he's going to Raya, the first dating app, trying to get on to an exclusive. Yeah, you know, if you did one and that was it forever.

Tully: Imagine, okay, we're all laughing here, but where the one's gonna feel silly when he ends up with a Victoria's Secret model and he's like, see ya, I'm moving back to LA to get stoned on gummies every day.

Tommy: I don't know if it's gonna happen. Not because I don't believe, I don't think 97 wants that. I think 97 wants that.

Tully: What do you want, 97?

Mason: Yeah, probably.

Tully: Who are you looking for?

Mason: Probably not getting stoned on gummies.

Tully: That's not what you want to do every day.

Tommy: But being in LA, living in LA—

Mason: Nah, probably not Melbourne.

Tommy: And you're also not as like— you would probably— I could imagine you potentially with an attractive author over a Victoria's Secret model. Attractive author? Like a J.K. Rowling. I don't know. You know I'm a writer, right?

Tully: And I'm writing a book right now.

Tommy: There we go. I didn't mean that. But no, I think there is something in there. I think that you would go intelligence over— he needs a nice sheer attraction, the big heart.

Josh: How big, Jules?

Tully: Dead air. Dead air. Elevated music starts playing. Um, yeah, look, I think that, that the influencer thing was a bit off. I felt bad for her because it happens every day, all the time. Macro, micro, doesn't matter. That's a commonplace. That's, that's how you start a conversation. He could have easily replied and said, hey, look, you know, thanks for reaching out. We actually don't do collaborations. End of story. He didn't have to put her messages out. He definitely didn't have to include her name in a photo.

Tommy: And I know she got a lot of hate. Seems really mean.

Tully: Just unnecessary. And it's the kind of stuff that's perpetuating online trolling and bullying. And I just— yeah, it's just icky, really.

Tommy: Are you someone to get on the phone?

Tully: Actually, I actually hate speaking on the phone. Really? Don't do it. My voicemail says, like, don't leave a voicemail. I'm not going to call you back.

Josh: How old is it? Pretty old.

Tully: But it stands. It still stands.

Josh: You've still got it though. You still actually have voicemail.

Tully: I actually have to change it because as my smartass friends like to point out, I then repeat my number back. I'm like, shoot me a text instead and then give them my number. And everyone's like, Tully, they've just called you. They've got your number.

Josh: Even anyone asking, please leave your name and number. It's like if you're calling on a smartphone or any phone for that matter.

Tully: Yeah, I guess we're just programmed because that's what we've always said our whole life. Exactly. Yeah, actually, that's an interesting point.

Josh: You don't need to say, I mean, you had email on yours. If you shoot me an email to Josh at Big Madey College.

Tommy: I think that's good, Dad.

Tully: I still call my dad and say, hey, hey, it's Tully. And he goes, yep, fully aware. I don't know why I do that.

Josh: Definitely drop the, definitely drop your number.

Tully: But it would be weird just calling and saying, hey, and him saying, hi, pumpkin.

Tommy: So you wouldn't have, so you don't have anyone, you get so many notifications.

Tully: Oh, that's nothing. You went into time hop. Time hop is like the, it's like a time capsule. It shows you what I've been doing for the last 12 years of my life.

Tommy: How depressing is that? Oh, it's basically just me and all my exes.

Tully: Ex-boyfriends and girlfriends who loved me once upon a time.

Josh: So hang on, it tells you, it shows a photo from last year.

Tully: It's like, here's what you were doing last year. Here's what you're doing on Instagram. Here's what you're doing on Facebook. Here's what you are. Here's a video of you looking cuter and skinnier and younger. Here's a boy that once gave you a Christmas present and is now not going to give you a Christmas present. Like, it's just, oh, hello. Straight to my bikini shot. So I was at a Christmas party last year playing with a baby, as standard with me.

Tommy: So do you look at this every day?

Tully: I do. It's funny because I've actually Nostalgia is a real something I struggle with a lot. I tend— you don't know who's it?

Josh: Oh, it's just Jim. Jim Watts.

Tully: Me and Gemma, 3 years ago at a Christmas party. Gem and Jen. Um, yeah, I tend to sort of get caught up in nostalgia, so having an app like this is just—

Tommy: screen grabs. Who are you bitching about?

Tully: Oh, they're just— they're tweets. Okay.

Tommy: Are you big on the WhatsApp groups? Do you—

Tully: um, no, I only speak to one person on WhatsApp. I think only people that— oh, I don't know. People that live overseas have WhatsApp. I don't think many people use it here. It's always funny though to read something and it's like the other day there was a tweet and it was like, oh, you know, can't even, don't even have $2 to rub together, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I think, wow, nothing's changed in like 12 years. Still broke, still hungry. There is something funny you said that.

Tommy: Yeah. Like there is, I was looking back at someone's old, like, you know, you can go down a rabbit hole when you start scrolling. It's called stalking. But what is it about 20, like sort of 2010, if you ever had a good year tax-wise, like good tax return, you'd always say great tax return. Now you just shut the fuck up.

Tully: Do you remember that time we all got just money from the government for no reason?

Tommy: It was like $1,000 or something. What?

Josh: That was so great. It was a new government that came in. They just all gave us like a K.

Tully: Do you remember that?

Josh: For no reason. I actually can't remember having it.

Tully: I can't remember. It would have been 2011 because I was working in advertising and we just all got— I mean, Mace would have been 3 and a half, but we just all got money for no reason.

Tommy: All of us.

Josh: Can you find out what that was and how much money they gave out? Kevin Rudd?

Tommy: Yeah, like the— did you get the baby bonus, TJ? No, we missed out on that one.

Josh: That was the $5K.

Tommy: Oh, that's good, because apparently people were buying plazmas.

Tully: Mace, would you have a baby with me for $5K? No, no, it's not— you don't do it for free. Don't be silly. It's just a collab.

Tommy: You now get like a 5K collab. That's quite a good daily talk show collab.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, I've got budget's 5K.

Tully: Client's really easy to work with though. Oh dear, so much sexual tension, I'm getting flustered. Um, next year, champagne, can we pop that?

Josh: Oh yeah, yeah, we do have that. That was given to us by a lovely listener. The funny—

Tommy: we were literally— I was talking to 97 before you got here and I was saying that when I'm older, I do like the idea of having like a red wine while we're doing the show.

Tully: Oh, I think that'd be so fun. Yeah. Next year. I had an idea for a podcast where I, we, I went on a first date every episode and it was sponsored by an alcohol company and we sort of, we just got drunk as the episode went on. Oh, great.

Tommy: Well, there's, there's the, the chick who does the making food and getting drunk, which is hilarious. But she did it for many, many years.

Tully: But then she was one of the original. Yeah.

Tommy: But if you do that for like 10 years of your life, you're an alcoholic at that point.

Tully: Right. In saying that, though, after getting you drunk in LA, it'd be really boring. Well, I was good fun.

Tommy: Actually, we haven't had it. We haven't had a conversation since. So the— when we recorded, that was before we went out and got drunk. So let's do— let's have a retrospective recap. Well, I think we've spoken about it.

Josh: Tell you, you know, She needs to speak about it.

Tully: Okay.

Josh: And do you want her to speak about it?

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, what was, uh, what happened after the episode? Yeah, so from an alcohol point of view, what was I, what was I actually like?

Tully: Okay, so basically last time you guys saw us, we were in my hotel room at the Mondrian. Yep. And we left the Mondrian to go to EPLP, our good friend Grant Smiley's venue. Uh, it was a really nice night. Rooftop was pumping.

Josh: An 9G Kata's never seen a harder workout than Tully's.

Tully: No, and I just proceeded to just think about— it was tough because I wanted to get you guys hammered quickly, so I'd usually go for hard spirits, but also Mason doesn't like the taste of alcohol, so I had to think of things that were potent but didn't taste like that. So first we started off on some vodka pineapples because Mason is literally a white girl. Um, threw those back quite quickly.

Josh: Mason, can you just give us commentary? Did you like the drink?

Tully: Yeah, you did like that one.

Mason: Yeah, it was fruity, that was nice.

Tully: Yes, it was fruity, it was nice. Tommy obviously wasn't drinking, good boy. I really tried though, hey, I peer pressured you, I almost got you.

Josh: If there's a time I wanted to drink, it was then.

Tully: Yeah, but then it was funnier to not drink because you could observe. Yeah. Threw those back. Also, by the way, guys, in case you've never been to LA or the Tate's before, they free pour. So what our one drink here is basically a double shot, every drink you have there.

Tommy: I've been using that bit of trivia that you gave me. I use that all the time.

Tully: It's a lie. 3 times, I reckon.

Tommy: Last weekend talking to people. I'm like, oh, well, in the States, they're free pour.

Tully: They just— so here they're so strict. They have like sort of the jigger is what they call them. They make sure it's level here. They just sit down there staring at you while they pour. You're like, oh, that's it. Oh, still got—

Tommy: oh, someone was actually saying, they're like, oh, so does it make sense to like give a bigger tip because then they give you more alcohol? And then because I was like in the whole role, I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, it does. What's a double over there?

Tully: A full glass. Well, okay, so then I went back, I was like, hey, this is— we need to fasten this up. Um, so I went back, I got shots, and I was like, again, I was like, usually I'd get him a Fireball, which is like a cinnamon whiskey, but he would just spit that out my face.

Tommy: But they also didn't do Fireballs there.

Tully: No, a lot of places have like make their own Fireball. Anyway, I was like, hey, what's sweet? What tastes great? Every white chick knows the best tasting shot is a wet pussy. I hate ordering them because you have to ask for a wet pussy and it just kills you on the inside. But I was like, can I please get 3 wet pussies? And she was like, well, oh, what's in that? I was like, oh, fair enough. So it's vodka, cranberry juice, and peach liqueur. She made us shots. I shit you not.

Tommy: Yeah, they're the size of that glass. They were this big.

Tully: Yeah, like they weren't a shot. It was half a glass. Even I was like, oh, it's gonna make me so sick. Didn't want to like show that on my face because I knew that he'd just panic. So he basically thought I came back with another drink, not realising that was just a pure shot. So what makes it a shot? Well, because usually it's served in a small little—

Tommy: what alcohol percentage do you reckon it was?

Tully: Oh, you've got vodka in there and peach liqueur— peach schnapps, sorry. So It's like, well, a drink, 4 drinks.

Josh: A drink has a mixer that's usually majority of the glass. This was just long storey short, it's very alcoholic.

Tully: And I think I kind of made you drink it quite fast too. You were trying to sip on it and I was like, no, we're throwing it back.

Tommy: By this point, Josh was, you had some of my shot.

Tully: I feel you were getting so introspective, like you were just thinking, you were like, oh, am I, am I being, am I being annoying? Am I repeating myself too much? Mace had to go to the toilet every 5 seconds like a little boy. He's like, I've got to go wee again. I'm like, please Please don't say that out loud again.

Josh: What about how he started not really, he's like, oh, I don't know if I'll make it there. Like he was like, oh, I haven't stood up yet. And he's like, oh, I can't, he's like, everything's really fuzzy.

Tully: Like I can't really, everything's kind of moving funny and I can't, everything's, you're all, and he was like talking like this close to my face. You're like, everything's kind of like, and you were like, oh, you were just questioning everything. You were just so in your own head. Like you could not relax.

Tommy: But I did, I feel like when it came to eating. Oh, this is the best part.

Tully: So then it was time for dinner. We were all relatively— even I was feeling tipsy. So you guys must have been pretty, pretty sloshed. But you were also very impressed about how together I was.

Tommy: I think your drunk version is, look how fine I am. Was I not fine? No, no, not fun. Fine. Oh, fine. You're right. Like, oh, look, I don't even— like, you guys are fucked and I'm fine.

Tully: I feel like you were fucked. I probably was. I mean, Tully's like this. Yeah.

Tommy: What was Tully like? It was—

Josh: I'd get louder. It was after dinner. That was when you'd seeped in.

Tully: But then we got sat down and Grant was so lovely and sent over some really nice expensive champagne for us. Again, Mason never had champagne before.

Josh: Cut to a kid just— Wasn't a fan of it.

Tully: And I had to turn to him and say, you drink that. That is expensive champagne. It's a gift from the owner of the venue that we're at. And you were going to drink that with a smile on your face. I think I finished yours too, though, to be fair. And then we had a few more drinks and yeah, dinner got lit. Yeah.

Josh: Mr. 97. What I liked was we ended up in a trust circle holding hands. Yeah. Did we? I mean, I was drunk. I was drunk. And we were going around the circle telling each other what we're grateful for.

Tully: Oh, I love that. I often start those kind of games. Like, I'm like, what's everyone's peak and pit of the year? And then I weirdly, you know, I don't remember it being taken because I don't think I was there. But then there was this random photo of Mase with lipstick all over his face. Where?

Josh: I know it was crazy. It must have come off the glass that he was drinking. I don't know. Maybe he drinks it all glass. Yeah, that's it. And then he sips it again.

Tommy: There's a bit from the wet pussy or something. Yeah. The firsts, we talk a lot on the show about firsts. 2020, what could be something that you do for the very first time?

Tully: Well, my first goal is to try to get some time over this break to like finish or write this book that I'm supposed to have written back in July.

Tommy: Finish or write or start?

Tully: I've started it. I've started it, but I've got to finish it. I mean, that's been a dream of mine for so long. Like, I can't believe that I'm going to be an author of a book. That's just insane to me. So that would be a huge first, right?

Josh: Yeah, right. Yeah. It's actually a hard skill though. Like you're— you've got— I'm a journalist.

Tully: Yeah, I'm a journalist. But I think, you know, being a journalist and writing about things that are going on in the world, things that make you angry or things that make you happy or the news is very different to writing about yourself and your life. And then, you know, as I'm sort of writing it, it's my version of events is going to be so different to my brother's and my dad's. You know, it's a lot of responsibility to tell your story.

Josh: Is it going to be a title?

Tully: No, but I've had people suggest things to me. Our mate Jordan. Jordan Michaelides. What's up Jordan? He suggested Misunderstood. I don't mind that. But I don't know whether it's like M-I-S-S, like it's 5 words.

Tommy: And have your signature in it, like in pink or something.

Tully: Have we met? You think I'm going to write in pink?

Tommy: But that's the whole joke with the misunderstood thing. It's got that Miss Congeniality sort of vibe.

Tully: Yes, exactly. Exactly.

Josh: What do you want the title to be?

Tommy: I'm glad I saved that because I was really feeling that one.

Josh: She came hard at you, didn't she? Yeah, real hard. I couldn't help you, dude.

Tully: I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. What can you— it's still such an odd concept to me that someone thinks that my life is interesting enough to write about. Like that to me is— it blows my mind. I mean, when I pull it apart, I think about, you know, the chapters and I guess the big chunks and the big defining moments of my life. I guess I do have some interesting ones in there. You know, everything from me dating girls for most of my adolescence, to Big Brother and that whole experience, to my mum's dementia and losing my mum, to social media and being one of the first kind of influencers. When I say it all like that, I'm like, okay, I guess that's maybe interesting to some people. But yeah, who the fuck's going to buy this book? My dad's going to buy 500 copies and that'll be it.

Josh: That's a solid amount. Are you— what else do you feel like content-wise apprehension about putting something out?

Tully: I just— I— it's mainly my family. I, I, you know, I've always been an oversharer. I think Big Brother took it to a whole new level because once people have seen you like that in that context, I've literally got nothing else to hide. Like, what else? They've seen me eat, sleep, topless, you know. You guys have probably seen me topless. I can't remember if I've got my tits out. I can't remember. Um, no, no, good. That's good to know. Um, you know, so then after that, I'm kind of like, well, I've got nothing else to hide. You've seen me warts and all. You see me at my worst. But then I have to be respectful and remember that it isn't just my storey and I am sharing things about my life and my family. And I think that that's always my main concern. And I know that they find some of my writing cringy. They think that I share too much.

Tommy: With your same-sex relationships, did you describe it as like a phase or what was the, how do you describe it?

Tully: No, I don't. I really, I feel like that's so offensive. I mean, I dated women for 2, 3 years. We would live together, we had a dog together. Calling it a phase to me completely undermines and belittles that relationship. Um, so what—

Tommy: because you were talking, I remember like you've, you've, I guess like, uh, you've changed, and so you were once that person and then you were—

Tully: I think we all grow and, you know, our experiences shape us. And, um, you know, you might grow up only dating blondes and then suddenly meet this amazing brunette and she's funny and hilarious and love of your life, and then suddenly you're into brunettes. Kind of what happened to me. I dated girls, met a bunch of really amazing women who were smart and funny, and I really liked them. And then I met this one dude, um, and he was pretty smart and funny and hot. And since then, I've only been into dudes. I don't see myself ever dating women again. It just doesn't— it feels like a whole different person. I don't even know who that person is. Um, but at the same time, those were some of the best and happiest relationships of my life. And I think using the word phase, it just doesn't sit right with me. It doesn't feel right.

Josh: And so is there much difference in the relationship itself?

Tully: Like if you take away the sexuality side of things, is it the same? So many differences. So many differences. Women just, I mean, just by nature inherently, they sort of inherently just get what you, they get you more organically. You know, I think sometimes, especially with the guys I've been with, and at least initially you have to kind of learn to understand each other. And, you know, okay, if, if he shuts down or if he, you know, that's him doing XYZ, whereas females just kind of inherently get it. So you just— this is closeness. You're dating, and I know that you probably feel like you're married to your best friend and you're dating your best friend, but you really are dating your best friend. Um, you know, you've just got this amazing, um, supportive, um thoughtful, understanding, patient, just sort of those qualities that women tend to be better at.

Josh: What's the feminine quality? Yeah, yeah, the, the, you know, I love feminine quality in my wife, but you're also quite, quite a feminine dude.

Tully: No, I don't think so. Okay, I don't know anything about your family, but to me you feel like— I think you can always— I can always tell when a guy has grown up with women in his life.

Josh: I had no women in my life. That's—

Tully: that— I didn't know that, but that's the kind of vibe you give off. Mase is the same.

Josh: Soft. The, um— am I soft or am I—

Tommy: you're just a—

Tully: I don't know what to do with you.

Josh: So like, I think about masculine qualities, it's not something that I'm into at all. Yeah. And so when you are a feminine woman, are you into feminine—

Tully: no. So my exes were all very androgynous. They were all quite, um, tomboy, you know. They had— they were all beautiful, but they were all, you know, short hair, preferred to wear dudes' clothes, skated, surfed. Um, they all looked, you know, like a beautiful— like Ruby Rose is a friend of mine, like Ruby Rose vibe. So beautiful but very much a tomboy. Um, and I was always like the femme. But it's funny because now that I date guys, I often wonder whether I'm too much of a top, because I'm definitely one of the boys. I'm sure you guys can all— you attest to that. Sometimes I worry whether I'm too much one of the boys now.

Josh: She was barking at the table.

Tommy: What about comparison?

Tully: I was trying to get us to go to strip club. No one else wanted to come.

Tommy: What about like comparison when you're in a like same-sex relationship? You got the same body parts and all that sort of thing. Do you like, is that something that you're considering like from a body image point of view?

Tully: Um, I mean, not, it's not really. It's bizarre because I'd never, um, I didn't grow up my whole life thinking that I was gay and like, you know, watching women from afar and like wondering what their, you know, boobs felt like. It's never how it worked with me. I just, I liked to boys all throughout primary school, all throughout high school, and then just met this amazing person at uni. And then I was just so obsessed with her that I was into whatever she fucking had going on. Um, it's, it's weird because, you know, now with, um, with men, like, I don't really— I don't like big bulky guys. And I don't know if that's because I'm not used to, you know, real like muscly muscly guys. I do remember the first time sleeping with my ex-boyfriend, um, and he was the first guy I'd been with after dating girls for like 6 years. And I remember we were like making out and I like went to feel his boobs and was like, oh shit, there are none. Okay, yep, all right, different body shape. Yeah, okay. That was such a weird moment for me to like be going— I was like, oh, just gonna slide down here then, I guess. Like, it was a really bizarre reminder that I was with a completely different sex, let alone person.

Tommy: Writing the book, is it— how have you set out the chapters? Does it go in chronological order?

Tully: Yeah, I mean, I think it makes some makes the most sense, um, for sure. But I, I don't know, it's tricky because I guess my mum especially, that's kind of— it's— that has grown and evolved, you know, us finding out to how I dealt with it when she was ill when I was older to her passing away. That's kind of flows throughout my life, so I don't really know how that's gonna sort of work.

Tommy: How do you feel about like the type of person you are and the type of content you put out there? Versus, say, the people who might want to buy a book around sort of dementia and all that sort of things? Is it a different audience?

Tully: I think the beauty, you know, and this is what the, um, the publishers that I spoke with said to me, and this is why she wanted me to write a book at all, is that, um, a, um, you know, the way I speak about my mum's dementia, it isn't dementia-specific. I think that if you and there are so many people that have grown up with or dealt with a sick parent. It doesn't matter if it's dementia or if it's cancer, if it's MS, whatever. So many people can relate to that, to growing up with a parent who was constantly sick, who was in and out of hospital, who you had to care for. That's a pretty universal, unfortunately, problem. And I think that's what, you know, and I never thought about it like that. I always thought that I was speaking to people that specifically were dealing with dementia. But yeah, she was the one that said, you know, you know, someone, and actually when my mum passed away and I was sharing that storey on my Instagram, I had some— a lot of DMs, and there were people in there that were like, you know, my mum's had cancer on and off since I was 10. Um, so yeah, I guess that that's more relatable than I maybe realize. But I am conscious— I mean, you know, you guys know what I'm like. Like, I am who I am. I can't refine myself. I can't— this is why, you know, when I used to work in magazines, like, I used to work for Marie Claire magazine, I found that really hard to write in the Marie Claire tone of voice because it's refined and it's polished and it's aspirational and it's highbrow. That's why I love writing for Pedestrian and Mamma Mia because I can write exactly how I speak and my book would be exactly the same. I don't think I could do it any differently.

Tommy: What have you learned about Social Squad doing that?

Tully: That was it. Yeah, that was a learning curve. I love doing the podcasting. I loved that so much. I don't think I've felt that much job satisfaction since Big Brother. It's been a long time since I felt proud of something, since something challenged me, since, you know, Mia saw me, I think maybe a week into it. She pulled me in for a chat. I should cheque in on how I was going. And she said, you're out of your comfort zone, aren't you? She's like, you're struggling. I'm like, yeah, I am. I am. And I think I'm used to cruising and I'm used to being good, naturally good at most things that I do. And even, you know, in high school and in primary school, you know, if I wasn't immediately good at an instrument, I just quit it. I wouldn't persevere. I wouldn't try to get good. I didn't like being bad at things. So, you know, I decided to play saxophone. And when I immediately wasn't Lisa Simpson, I was like, well, stuff this. Um, good reference. So to— well, she's the only reason I wanted to play it, obviously. So to be thrown into the deep end with this so soon after losing my mum with no prior experience— like, even now talking to you guys, I've done 20 million more podcasts than I had when I did my own. You know. Um, so to do that, and that's just with Scooter Derek's bonus episode.

Tommy: Scooter Derek has once, uh, sort of railroaded me into a big bonus episode.

Tully: Um, classic Derek. It's classic. Um, yeah, so to do something that, you know, I couldn't really get out of, you know, I was— I'd signed, sealed, delivered the contract, and we had guests coming in every day for those 2 weeks, and and so to do it and struggle but persevere and, you know, and then be proud of the outcome, that was great.

Josh: How do you seek out these things? Because if I did, it came to me. But if you say, if it came to you, right, and you go, yeah, I just grabbed her. Sorry. So if the thing that gave you the most fulfilment or job satisfaction is something that puts you out of your comfort zone, it could be fair to say that things that push you out of your comfort zone are going to do similar version of that.

Tully: I also think, though, that it's something that I wanted to do for a long time. Radio, you know, you guys, I've said to you before that I would love to work in radio and podcasting is basically radio, but way more fun because we just talk about what we actually want to talk about for extended periods of time. I think what I learned from that experience was that I love podcasting. I loved learning and getting better at interviewing and meeting new people and hearing their story. But, you know, as suspected, and I've told Mia this and Mia already kind of knew, you know, the subject wasn't what I'm passionate about personally. You know, the gag was that I told Mia I hated influencing and I thought it was a waste of time. And so she thought it'd be hilarious to give me a show hosting where I talk to influencers. Great troll. Hilarious troll.

Josh: But it worked.

Tommy: It's a long game troll as well.

Tully: Yeah, it did work in a way because I was able to be self-deprecating. I was able to make the influencers feel like they could be honest with me and say, oh, this is shit or this is boring. I don't, you know, but personally for me, I'd love to do a show where I felt more personally connected and passionate about what I was talking about. But I loved podcasting. I definitely want to do another podcast for sure.

Josh: For me, 2020, I want to attempt— I want to put myself outside of the comfort zone in respect to posting things that make me feel uncomfortable. That's not to say release it, you know, sharing personal information or something like that. I don't know exactly what form it is.

Tommy: Medicare card number.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Credit card Who takes the money first? No, but even like posting—

Tully: there's no money in there, let's be honest.

Josh: Okay, so even someone getting into doing brand integration, so talking about a product, you do this and I can imagine it just comes second nature to you now.

Tully: Still kills me on the inside.

Josh: Does it? And so then you're pushing against the feeling of, I know this, I know, like, I know I've got a mate that does it and I just, he's ruthless. And I see there is some benefit in being a bit more ruthless.

Tommy: Detached to outcome.

Josh: Detached to the feeling of how it makes you feel, because I think it's exaggerated to how people perceive you. And yeah, and so it's tricky.

Tully: It's so tricky. I especially, as I said to you guys off air, you know, this is, it's a busy time of year. It's Christmas. A lot of brands are wanting to push posts, push their products before Christmas. And, you know, I had to put my foot down last week and turn a job down. I was like, I just feel like I'm just spruiking every day a different product. It just feels so yuck and disingenuous and unorganic. I think it's just all about, you know, the way you've just got to keep it as authentic to you. And I know that's such an overused buzzword, especially in my line of work. But if you try and keep it as authentic as possible, even if that means you coming out and being like, I feel like a frickin sellout, but seriously, this face cream is the fucking best. Yeah, you've called yourself out before someone else can do it. Yeah.

Josh: You know, should you just put the, um, how much you've made deliverable, the screen grab of the email.

Tommy: Remember there's the famous thing of like, can you, they send the designer or whatever, can you do it? Yeah. Can you do this Photoshop thing of this event? And they just screen grab all the details, insert name here like that.

Josh: Yeah.

Tully: So you're seeing the copy, but, and so I think, I think for you guys as a brand and as you know, you've got you've got your podcast, but you also have your production stuff. I think that it would be silly of you to not take those opportunities, even if it doesn't feel completely organic or natural at first.

Josh: Well, I think most people think the authentic approach is to listen to the feeling and then not act on it because they're like, that's me being authentic to the feeling of this is a bit gross or this feels a bit cringe.

Tommy: Well, Seth Godin talks about like the pilot, like a pilot on a plane isn't being authentic. Sometimes I don't feel like fucking flying the plane. Be doing, but you do it anyway. And so authenticity can sometimes be overstated when sometimes you just need to be a professional.

Tully: Yeah, well, I mean, that's radio hosts. I mean, even you guys, you know, I've said this to you when we were in LA, it still blows my mind. And I know that you, you know, have put measures in place so that you can have days off, but like the fact that you've committed to this show for how many years?

Tommy: 10 years.

Tully: We're doing 7 days a week. That just gives me severe anxiety. But anyway, how old were you How old would your kid be then?

Josh: 8, Bodhi?

Tommy: I mean, um, Bodhi, that's cute. Twins.

Tully: Oh geez, mate, fuck it. I want 5, so we better get cracking. 5 kids?

Tommy: What's the idea of 5 kids? Why do you want 5 kids?

Tully: I just want a big family.

Josh: Yeah. I think a lot of people say that before they have one. True. So was the idea of—

Tully: We'll aim for 2, babe. We'll aim for 2.

Tommy: So if you were to paint the picture just quickly, like paint the picture of like 5 years' time, like I'm curious, do you have the name? No, no, but yeah, is it the idea of like the white picket fence in fucking queue or something? Or like, what's your— because when I think of 5 kids—

Tully: How old am I in 5 years? 35? 37? 32? Oh, I'm 32. Yeah, 37. Yep, yep. 37. Fuck. Well, I'd hope to have at least 1 kid by then because I'm cooked and fried.

Josh: Mum had me at 39 and look at me. You're great.

Tully: Yeah, great. No, I definitely want a couple of kids for sure.

Tommy: But maybe not 5.

Tully: You don't think you'll get to 5? I'm running out of time. Maybe if I'd started a bit earlier. I'd fooled a few people before, but 2 versus 5, what's that? Jokes, guys, jokes. I'd never do that.

Tommy: Mason, double, double wrap it. Um, is that a thing? Do people really double wrap?

Tully: No, dad over here, like, you are literally—

Tommy: I just have no— well, you said double wrap it, it sounded like something that was legit.

Tully: Tommy's like the cool, fun uncle and you're like the dorky dad. Dorky dad is my boyfriend. Friend.

Tommy: So the 2 versus 5, what is the main difference between 2 and 5?

Tully: No, I just want a big family. I come from a family, I've got 2 siblings, um, and I just, yeah, I love kids. I've always loved kids. I'm very, very maternal and, um, I just want a big family.

Tommy: It sounds— there is a fun element to it, almost like cheaper by the dozen.

Tully: Okay, like 3, one's, one's hard, 2, 3 kids apparently impossible.

Josh: Oh geez, one's hard enough. What, my one?

Tommy: Is it all, is it like diminishing returns? No, sorry, not diminishing. Like, what?

Tully: I reckon. What's going on in your brain? Honestly, I just imagine a monkey with the ciboules.

Tommy: It's actually the Cadbury gorilla. No more than— that actually, that I watched a Cadbury documentary the other day. That ad was actually, um, a big game changer for them. Really?

Tully: Of course it was. And also won them a gazillion awards, advertising. Yeah. And it was constantly up and use as a great example. That and Oreo. Oreo can do no wrong apparently.

Tommy: Oh yeah, because they did the, um, sorry, everything with gay.

Tully: Yeah, they also did the cookie—

Tommy: what's the thing at Super Bowl they did? Because remember the Super Bowl, all the lights went out or whatever, and then there was everyone on Twitter, like all the zany social media people doing posts. Oh, the blackout. Yes. There's also the Netflix thing at the moment. Have you seen this? Everyone's posting about that. What is that? What was that? No sevs?

Mason: Netflix did a tweet saying things you say when you're having sex, but also you're an account manager for a brand.

Josh: Can you find these? This is funny.

Tully: I mean, that world is my oyster with that one, isn't it?

Josh: Do you think it's like, so the Cadbury thing does well. There's a high chance this shit might not have hit at the right time.

Tully: It's literally a CGR gorilla. Yeah, I know.

Josh: There's no chocolate in there.

Tully: It's just purple.

Josh: I look at things that get used as case studies and move the needle here, but it's like there's a high chance that that wouldn't have moved the needle at a different time in existence. Yeah, true, true.

Tully: It was just right place, right time, timing, what the world was doing at the moment. Maybe it was, you know, we were needing a bit of a lull, like at the moment.

Tommy: Jesus, we need a lull, don't we?

Josh: Oh my God, right now. What can we do?

Tommy: Get the monkey suit out. I said monkey suit.

Tully: I said tits. That's so weird. It's so not like us. One of my favorites, speaking of great case studies, when I worked in advertising was the Tontine pillow date stamp. Is anyone familiar with this?

Tommy: I love that you trolled me for being the dad and you said, you know, speaking of great case studies.

Tully: We're just talking about a quick—

Tommy: this is an interesting case study.

Josh: Tontine, what's that?

Tully: Tontine is a pillow brand. If you guys have read— if you've read Barefoot and Best Dads, the barefoot and best dad, he suggests a Tontine pillow. Is it a Dunlop that he recommends?

Tommy: No, it's Tontine. Oh, maybe it is.

Tully: Can you pass it? Yeah, no, we're good. No, I think it is Dunlop.

Tommy: It is Dunlop, but I know what you're talking about.

Tully: Yeah. Okay, so Tontine, you know, did all these studies and research and there's like disgusting amount of like bacteria and bugs growing in our pillows. And like no one changes their pillows. I, up until doing this case study, had a pillow that I had since I was a child. I carried it around with me to all my share houses because I just loved it. It was perfect. It was my favourite pillow. I loved it. Just carry the filth.

Josh: Amazing, it got heavier.

Tully: Fucked up.

Josh: I wonder if there is a way at the start.

Tully: Okay, you're really taking this off course. So anyway, there's like literal bugs and like, like tiny bacteria trees and shit that grow because it comes from our face, our skin, our hands, growth. These guys did a big study on that, had this like terrifying stats and these like super macro shots of this stuff growing our pillows, and then said, you know, a pillow is actually only good for 12 months, and then they started date stamping their pillows. So it didn't create a problem we didn't know we had. It was a problem, we just didn't know about it. And then they made— like, we then had a date where we knew we had to replace the pillow with another Tontine pillow. And so suddenly we were, we were buying a new pillow every year from Tontine because they're the only ones that have the date stamp on it. It was like they kind of fear-mongered us. Yeah, into constantly buying new Tontine pillows.

Tommy: There's so many things that I don't— like, I only found out, uh, you know, Dyson vacuum— wait for this— now the Dyson vacuum I was trying to— when I shave, Bree freaks out because I leave hair. It's gross. So gross.

Tully: Because you wonder if it's on your face or your pubes.

Tommy: And so, no, so I, I used the Dyson in the bathroom, but unfortunately I got— I went over some water and some water went into the Dyson vacuum. Fucked it. Yeah. And so then the next day we opened like the cupboard where the Dyson is and it just smelt horrendous. Because wet dust in like like, feels like dog times 10. But the thing was that we did some research and there's like, there's a filter in it and it's like, oh, we should get new filters. And it turns out that you're like meant to get new filters. Yeah, all the time. We've had this vacuum for 4 years.

Tully: Well, it's like I never put one in. Like a washing, like you're supposed to like clean your washing machines, clean your dishwashers, like give them a clean. Like you put in like a little tablet and you put it on an empty cycle. Are you good with admin? Yeah, I'm like, seriously, wife me. Like, I'm okay. I'm so great with this stuff.

Tommy: No, All right, so admin. Talk about admin. What, what are you good at?

Josh: Did you find the—

Mason: yeah, the Netflix stuff.

Tommy: So I feel like this is gonna go either way.

Tully: How cute is his lisp? Oh God, edible.

Tommy: He's got a lisp? Yes, he's a lit—

Tully: he has a lisp sometimes. Yeah. Oh no, he's caught. Now he's speaking like this.

Mason: What's something you can say during sex but also when you manage a brand Twitter account? Ben Jerry's, do you want to take a lick? Wendy's, wow, 4 for 4. IMDb: The Mandalorian continues to dominate. Yelp: Please share your experiences with the community. I mean, are we having a gangbang in that one? Or Snickers: Satisfied. Instagram: Double tap. That works. Yeah. Paramount Network, which is Paramount Pictures: I'm not sure we want to touch this. Netflix replies: Guys, Mount was right there.

Tully: That's good. That's good. That's really good. What did Twitter say?

Mason: Anything? Here we go. Pet— no, there's Petco, which is a, like, a pet supply, like, um, Pet Barn. We figured that out really quickly.

Tully: You didn't have to explain that one to us.

Mason: We hope you enjoy these new toys.

Tully: Oh, that's good. That's a good one. What did Twitter say? Did Twitter say anything?

Mason: No, Twitter haven't said anything.

Tully: Oh, fuck. Catch up, Twitter.

Tommy: Did you ever get to that level of doing community? Like, did you ever do that?

Tully: Yeah, that was my job. That's what I did before Big Brother. What brands? Massive brands. Tim Tam. Oh, cool. Constantly in arguments with people about palm oil, which is absolutely fair enough.

Josh: Oh yeah, sure. Palm oil's in. Yeah. And they're asking, is it?

Tully: No, they're angry that it is. Okay. Because it kills the orangutan. Yeah. Yeah. And that's a gorilla and an orangutan. Different. Completely different species. I've got it.

Josh: These fucking assholes commenting about that probably eat meat. Oh, look, it's just that they could be vegan as well.

Tommy: Oh, what was my—

Tully: I looked after— so we did the Virgin Australia rebranding, which is a really cool one to work on. Hungry Jack's, one of my clients. Pure Blonde, one of my clients. Dove, Nivea. I can literally work across a huge, huge— but yeah, one of the most— in fact, actually, you know what, apart from Tim Tam, because everyone loves Tim Tams unless they don't like Tim Tams. One of the most active and engaged communities, online communities I looked after was for Air Wick. Really?

Tommy: I wanted to get a bunch of Air Wick here.

Tully: I can't tell you how seriously these Sharons take Air Wick. And we call them Sharons because we had like a, um, we had like the typical Air Wick. Yeah, yeah. And Sharon was number one buyer. Sharon had multiple dogs that lived inside. She was a smoker.

Tommy: Um, Sharon, get rid of Air Wick and just take your ciggies outside. Take it all outside.

Tully: She wasn't ashamed because you know how most people especially I think people our age, I would like hide the Air Wick.

Josh: What are the— what's the Air Wick?

Tommy: Air Wick's like the freshener that goes in the— it's like the—

Tully: there's different types. You can get one that's just power. No, you can get one, you just get ones for the bathroom, or you can have ones that sort of like every so often like shoot out something like that. In that— what is that in the corner?

Josh: That's a, um, it's a security sensor.

Tully: No, it's a sensor. It looks similar.

Josh: I know what you mean.

Tommy: It just— I've jumped out of my skin before from like the toilets that have the real— do you think that there's something—

Tully: oh God, vanilla You can also get like sort of reed diffuser, what you can, you can get everything.

Josh: Yeah, I smelled a really nice cranberry one yesterday.

Tully: Kookai, if you guys ever with your girlfriend, wife, Kookai, or even just walking past Kookai, have a big whiff.

Tommy: Oh, good one. Bree was doing a marketing course and Kookai was the brand that they had to do analysis on.

Tully: It's— and they now sell them online. I actually just bought one. You can buy the the scent of— how many diffusers? Signature Diffuser, $55. Yeah, it's like— is it gardenia? What is it? Fuchsia and something.

Mason: Macara orchid, orchid, sorry, uh, white lily, spring moss for an aroma that's fresh.

Tully: See, does that sound delicious? Delicate and distinctly feminine.

Mason: I like it. Perfect for you.

Tommy: I like the Milligram. They do this fragrance that's, uh, smells like the forest and they—

Tully: Is that the end of the story?

Tommy: No. And so it comes in. Have you seen the volcanic rocks? Yes.

Tully: So I have volcanic rocks and they smell delicious. Yeah.

Tommy: And so actually it was a contentious issue on Sunday because we hadn't got the new filters for the vacuum, but Bree used the vacuum. So the whole apartment smelled fucking horrendous. And so I used the essential— ethanol is the base of the of the oil.

Tully: Why does vacuuming— vacuuming always makes the room smell bad afterwards, even if you haven't got a wet—

Josh: I think it's the filter. It's the filter.

Tommy: Definitely, you vacuum, you need to replace the filter.

Tully: Anyway, back to the Airwod guys. So they would just be so upset, like, if we took a scent off the shelf or if we didn't replace a scent or if we didn't bring back Pumpkin Spice every Christmas, like, they would just go bananas about it. Like, they'd get together, they'd switch, they'd swap candles, and it was It was absolutely bizarre. Absolutely bizarre dealing with those Sharons. That was like that. That was the peak of my community management career.

Tommy: I could get into fragrance, fragrances. The, you know, there's the, the, they don't call them Ponzi schemes, but, you know, like the oils.

Josh: Yeah. Essential oils. Yeah. Like that.

Tully: Yeah. Every, every. Yeah. Because I do actually— 7 from my high school is pushing those.

Josh: Hey, Tally, can you come? Yeah. But I want to—

Tully: you know what would help your headache? Yeah, exactly. A little cinnamon blend on your, on your, just on your wrist.

Tommy: The thing is, I sort of get it. I think that it's almost like they could be right, but just the whole fact that you know that it's part of a bigger scheme.

Tully: You have to buy like 100. You can't just buy like the 1 cent. You have to buy, oh, there's a pack of 50.

Josh: I've got no problem with the actual essential oils themselves. It's the business behind it.

Tully: It's a pyramid scheme. Have you ever had someone—

Tommy: yeah, Herbalife, I think it was.

Josh: Oh my God.

Tommy: There's a great doco on that actually.

Josh: What I think is if it's the product that solves everything, which a lot of the people sell it as, why isn't every single person in the world using it? Using it. That's what they're trying to convince you.

Tully: Why can't you tell me what it is? Have you noticed that?

Josh: Well, we're going to have to have a coffee first.

Tully: A lot of these ones, you know, you're looking at, you're reading posts, you're reading these long, long captions where they're saying it's the best thing in the world and you're like, I still don't know what you're trying to sell me. Is it face cream? Is it a candle?

Josh: What is it? Do you think those people behind those products or in that business model, do you think they feel like fucking a bit cringe about posting these?

Tully: Nah, I reckon they've drunk the Kool-Aid and they believe everything that they're saying.

Josh: I think you have to. Doing that.

Tommy: Or you're just seeing it as like sales and you've positioned it in your mind that just like life is all about sales or some shit.

Josh: Have you been conned into a catch-up that then has turned into, hey, I've got this product?

Tully: No, but I do have, as I said, I do have a few friends. I have a girl that I used to hang out with quite a bit who now does, it works in one of those things and she's constantly trying to reach out to me and I'm just like, absolutely not. I know exactly what you want me to do. And I guess There have been actually a few people, I guess, that think with my following that I'd be an easy win for them if I suddenly started believing in any of that stuff. There's been a few weird DMs, but yeah, no, I'm much smarter than that.

Tommy: I remember back in the day, I feel like my mum would always have the parties or whatever. Oh, like the bralette? Yeah, no, it was like underwear and stuff.

Josh: Lingerie parties.

Tommy: What about the one with the glass? Avon? Avon, you clean glass with this sort of stuff. There was Mr. Shane? No, no, no, no, no. It was a specific product. Big Kev. Big Kev.

Tully: Remember that? Big Kev died?

Josh: Yeah, heart attack. He looked like he had a few burgers.

Tully: Far out.

Tommy: But his whole signature was, I'm excited. Oh, he was excited.

Tully: But it was like, it was like, so not excited. Dude, his products were actually amazing.

Josh: Goo remover. It got chewing gum out of carpet, got out of anything, out of hair. I think does Gumption do that?

Tully: I feel like these days influencers are pushing— Egg white.

Josh: Egg white does.

Tully: I'm not putting egg white on my carpet.

Josh: Egg white gets in out of jeans. Chewing gum. I had chewing gum on the back of my jeans from '97. Are your—

Tully: You just put your jeans in the freezer and then you crack it off.

Josh: Yeah, but it was— this was rubbed right in.

Tommy: I've got a jean update from '97. Jean.

Mason: What, they're stained? Oh, what have you done to your jeans, mate?

Tully: I'm excited. No, I put them— Am I sexually assaulting you now?

Tommy: That's all fine. There's a huge amount of distance away.

Mason: It feels like you can say anything when you're this far away.

Tully: His parents watch these. Hi, Mom. Hi, Dad.

Josh: His parents love you, Tom.

Tommy: Yeah, big fans.

Mason: No, I put— I was soaking my jeans because I didn't want to put them in a wash because they like got ripped. They were like knees or whatever. And so I was going to break them. So I just soaked them and I left them overnight. And there's like a little handy— there's a little like suede label on the back. And so all the brown of the colour went out and stained the rest of my jeans.

Josh: I take it back. He can't.

Mason: No, because on the label it says don't, don't do that.

Josh: Don't soak.

Tully: Yeah. I put it through the wash. Isn't it? Is that not a thing where you put them in the freezer and it like gets rid of the smells? Gets rid of that. I don't get it. It's a mark. You can't really get rid of the mark in a freezer.

Josh: It's totally bullshit. So what's your other option then?

Tully: Take it to the dry cleaners?

Josh: Why don't you put them in a washing bag and put it through the wash?

Mason: No, I've already done that. I've already put it through the wash and it's still there. So it's there.

Josh: It's fucked.

Tully: I would take it to a dry cleaners.

Tommy: Was the brown completely like gone off the— No, there's still some there.

Mason: Really? Yeah. Yeah, it's just like, I guess diluted a little bit.

Tully: I mean, are they not paying you enough? Can't you just buy a new pair of jeans?

Tommy: Yeah, how much are the jeans?

Mason: I mean, they're like $80.

Tully: Are they really $80? I'll reach out to the brand and we'll sort it out. Industry. Oh, industry, they'll definitely give me a new pair of jeans.

Tommy: Oh, really? Which one?

Mason: What size are you? 30, 31, 32? No, 32.

Josh: Can you get people stuff?

Tully: Smaller than me. So like— Yeah, but I'd have to wear it. Like I'd have to do something opposed with it.

Josh: So recently—

Tommy: How could we make this work?

Tully: Recently my friend lost a pair of sunglasses that were quite expensive. From this brand that I think are terrible. And then coincidentally, 3 weeks later, that brand reached out to me and offered me a pair of sunglasses. And I said, I will have the exact pair that she lost. Yeah, I'll do a shot in them and then I'll get them to her.

Josh: And does your friend know you think they're terrible?

Tully: I literally said to her, I go, I got you those disgusting ski goggles glasses you wanted. Bole. No, they're just so ugly, like speed dealers on crack. No, I like your case. I know you do. Every silly boy does. It's a— it's literally like—

Mason: where did you get it from?

Tully: It's like— it's Case— I think— I don't know. Yeah, Caseify. And it says Tully in case you can't read that, but it's like fully, um, it's— you can't see it on the camera, but it's just like a magic sand case with neon sand that glows in the dark. And literally every single time a male realises what it is, I lose them for like half an hour while they play with it.

Tommy: What do you— what would you pay right now for, um, direct flights to New Zealand return?

Tully: I know the pilot. It's a great it's called I Know The Pilot, and it sends you algorithm— that word? Algimates pulls everything together.

Tommy: Oh no! Amalgamates? No, no, no, you mean um... Algorithmic?! No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Josh: I was right.

Tommy: If everyone just shut up for a sec, if that's not the word you're thinking of: curate. Hmm, I don't know about this one anyway.

Tully: It pools all information from all websites about flight sales and then send you push notifications so you can buy them.

Josh: Well, just in case should they think again later on.

Tully: So now we can get Flydirect to New Zealand from $219 return ticket price down to like 99 bucks or something crazy. That's really fucking cheap.

Tommy: See, dude, that's so cheap. You mean aggregates? Yes.

Josh: And can you actually press it and buy?

Tully: Algimates? Can you actually press it?

Mason: Algamate means combined. I think aggregate is—

Tommy: all right, I think like hotel and aggregates the data and brings it together.

Josh: So can you actually press it and buy it? Oh, fuck, I thought you were— I thought you were actually saying I know the pilot because you know, I thought that as well.

Tommy: I just thought it was a name drop.

Josh: I know the pilot. I was like, oh, it's a WhatsApp.

Tommy: It's the only person she's got on WhatsApp is the pilot.

Tully: Also, again, I'm sorry, fly to Canada from $912 return, bags and meals included. That's also insane.

Tommy: That's really cheap.

Josh: The thing about Vancouver, my thing about this is, you know how you see like, what's one of the travel companies?

Tully: Skyscanner, STA Travel Consulting, Flight Center.

Josh: And they've got, oh, fly to LA, $812 return. Let's go. I press it. I press it. Set and I follow it through and it's like $300, but it's never specific. I don't know how to find the deal. Do you actually find the deal?

Tully: Yeah. Or it's like, yeah, cool. You fly February 2021.

Tommy: Oh yeah. You have to get very specific. But that's good. So I think you have to be quite open. What airline?

Josh: Air Canada. That's good. Fill with Virgin. Virgin Australia. No, look at this. Have you ever stayed— Sorry, sorry. Virgin Australia is $1,600.

Tully: But that's not the deal that they promoted to us. Yeah, I know. And it still is a deal.

Tommy: Tully, have you ever done a deal with an airline?

Tully: I'm actually in the process of doing a deal. I'm about to go to Bali with an airline. I can't say which deal yet because I haven't signed the contract, but yeah, they're sending me to Bali, which is amazing. Oh, great. Airlines don't—

Tommy: I want to just say which one I think it is. Airlines, airlines. I can tell you. I know which one it is.

Josh: There's only about 3 airlines it could be.

Tommy: And also I feel like Jen Day's got her name all over that one as well. They're flying every podcast.

Tully: She's my manager. Yeah. Okay. No. So airlines rarely do collaborations because they don't need to. Yeah, people are always going to fly. People are always going to pay for flights. They don't need to give away free flights.

Josh: So micro-influencers won't be able to.

Tommy: Yeah, I just want access to like—

Tully: you guys will be lucky to get a bloody Rex plane to Canberra.

Josh: Well, what about the Airlie or this like private jet?

Tully: Yeah, private jet. I've yet to go on a private jet. No, I've got a tiny plane to get me from Bangkok to this amazing honeymooners only, although obviously I wasn't a honeymooner, um, this amazing resort in Thailand, which is like a pretty pimp, just like two rows. I thought I was gonna die, literally was gonna die. With propellers. But it wasn't a— by no means it wasn't a private jet, it was just like a tiny plane.

Tommy: Oh, you went to Steph Clare Smith's wedding, did you? Or no?

Tully: I did go to Steph Clare Smith's wedding.

Tommy: I watched the whole wedding video last night. No, I didn't, but Bree was like, oh, that was lovely.

Mason: 15 minutes.

Tully: Including that Jägerbomb point of view shot at the end.

Tommy: Yeah, it's a beautiful— it was a beautiful wedding. That farm is ridiculous. Oh, his farm, that's not a fucking farm, it's a golf course.

Josh: It's a golf course.

Tommy: Yeah, the Greenman.

Tully: His dad spent so much time preparing, um, the grass, the farm. They dyed the lake blue.

Tommy: Oh, is that why it's so beautifully blue?

Tully: So apparently it's usually, um, that was my first time there. All the fish dead. I'm sure they wouldn't have killed the fish. Apparently it's like a usual like like muddy water color, and I dyed it bright blue for the wedding. Oh yeah, it looked amazing. We all glamped.

Tommy: So you stayed in a tent? Did you stay with anyone in your tent, or were you solo?

Tully: Was it scheduled to have other people in it? No, I actually was bunking with another single female who I didn't know, to be fair. I met her at the hens, but we didn't know each other quite well. But then a friend of mine who had met this lovely young lady asked if I would mind him going in my tent and if I could sleep in his bed instead so that they could hang out.

Josh: It was a bloody shag fest, wasn't it? Is that what you said?

Tommy: It was like the Olympics.

Tully: Well, I mean, it was so much fun. We're all in, like, everyone's, you know, everyone's in glam. Some people have like 5-in-1 tents.

Josh: You're not always at a party with a blue lagoon, blue lake.

Tully: No, we're on the dance floor till 4:30. The couple, Steph and Josh, didn't leave the dance floor till before.

Tommy: What was the dress code? Because everyone looked like they were either wearing white or silver or sort of—

Tully: they were given a palette to work with, um, neutrals.

Tommy: So like, my Vans would have fit in actually, white Vans.

Tully: No, uh, white, yes, you could have worn your white Vans, like creams, creams, pink, sandies, linens. Yeah, pale, pale pastel colors. Everyone looked amazing. It was honestly like just so incredible. The worst part about it was the drive back home the next day, absolutely cooked.

Tommy: Did anyone take buses?

Tully: No, because it was 3 hours away. That was the thing. So the reason they provided the glamping tents is because there's literally nothing around. Like, it's in this tiny little town. There's— the nearest hotel is like an hour out. Like, you can't— there's no Airbnbs. So they really had to kind of provide accommodation. What sort of food? Oh, Matt Butcher, a good friend of mine, was the chef. It was delicious. The whole day, it was just from start to finish, it was so much fun. What sort of cat? You know what? I didn't see the cake being cut or get a slice of the cake. Keep it clean, a recipe.

Tommy: Add eggs.

Tully: That's all. You guys will love this. You guys will love this. So when we all first got to the marquee and sat down, the MC came out and said, oh, you know, you know, can everyone please stand up? And we all kind of thought it was official wedding business. So we all stood up. And it actually took me in hindsight, it took me a while to click on to what the fuck was happening.

Josh: And then you're 10 minutes into a kick session.

Tully: Imagine that, and just squat and hold it up. Um, no. And then he said, okay, if everybody in the room is married, please sit down. And I was like, oh, uh-oh. Like, everybody who is engaged, please sit down. Everybody's in a relationship, please sit down. You're playing wingman?

Tommy: Is that what it was like?

Tully: Maybe 8 of us out of the whole wedding standing up. And he was like, now look around, people. He's like, that's who you're swiping right to. I love that.

Josh: That's so true. Okay, right. Okay, that's fair.

Tommy: Yep. Alex Hayes, is he single? Was Raya going off? Was there even phone reception there?

Tully: No, no phone reception. No. Um, uh, it was interesting though because I actually worked because throughout the night— Who's Alex, by the way? He's an influencer. Okay, baby influencer. Um, throughout the night I had to say—

Tommy: a baby influencer? He's a little— he's like 20.

Josh: Okay, he doesn't influence purchasing of baby products.

Tully: He's just young. He's been doing it for a long time. He was actually the guy— I don't know if you remember, if you saw it, it was years ago now. He pranked everybody that he was surfing above this massive shark. It ended up being a—

Tommy: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tully: So he got famous. That's how he sort of— Sure. And then he's now just a really great photographer, surfer, mental health advocate, just a good guy. But yeah, twice that night I had a guy come up to me and say, hey, so I saw, I saw you standing up before. So I was like, what the—

Tommy: You were sitting down, you dog.

Tully: I love that. You said to everyone else that you were married. Really weird. No, but it was honestly a beautiful day, like just so much fun and so much love. And Sam Evans and Logan, who are other good friends of mine who did the video, just did an absolutely amazing job with it. So you should definitely give it a watch if you haven't seen it.

Tommy: Yeah, it was great.

Josh: Watched it, literally watched the whole thing on a Sunday night. Only 13 minutes.

Tully: I've watched it twice and I've cried both times. And I was there and I was a mess when I was— I had one tissue. So hot. I had one tissue because I knew I would I need a tissue. And I literally— guys either side of me, Alex Hayes next to me, two guys either side. I had to rip it off. They all wanted— they all needed it. I was like tearing off little— I was like, oh, you can have this square, you can have the best—

Tommy: was it the best man crying when he was—

Tully: oh no, that's, um, Josh's brother. Oh, that was so—

Tommy: oh, it was so sweet.

Tully: The whole day, like, and that shot of Josh, um, with their dog Ari watching Steph have her dance with her dad, and there's a single tear coming down his cheek. I was like, I was like, that's just brilliant. Like, did you put that there?

Josh: Is that a post?

Tully: No, I thought like the guys had put it. No, it was just such a great day.

Tommy: Have you thought about, like, obviously you're talking about having kids and all that sort of thing. Are you someone to fantasise a wedding or is it not really?

Tully: I've got a Pinterest board. Absolutely. Really? Yeah, it's all sorted for us.

Tommy: It's fine. What's on the Pinterest board?

Tully: Yeah, it's public. Maybe I should make it private, but it's okay. I've given it a really like obscure name. It's kind of can be like, you know, what is this for? Can we put in the show notes?

Josh: Notes? Yeah, for sure.

Tully: Um, it's called When I Grow Up. Yeah, great. As in like, oh, you know, not now, but so this is like so my vibe, obviously.

Tommy: Like matching fucking ring. Go back. What is that ring? Start saving.

Tully: Oh, you got to be kidding me.

Tommy: '97. That ring is— it's not even like— it's quite obnoxious, to be honest.

Tully: That's— you're obnoxious.

Tommy: Yeah, I know, but so is my vibe.

Tully: Yep, fair. I like that kind of vibe.

Tommy: Is that a— uh, okay. Yeah, great.

Tully: So it's very kind of classic. Yeah, or maybe even a Vegas wedding. That'd be fun. Wait, what's—

Tommy: what was she dressed up as then?

Tully: She's wearing a sequin. Okay, sure. If I can turn that around.

Tommy: Would you, um, colour your hair like her or no?

Tully: I used to have purple hair, like purple ends, like dip dyed. It was called dip dyeing, was a thing.

Tommy: Do you still use Pinterest every day, do you reckon, or no?

Tully: I use Pinterest, but then I don't really pin it to any boards. I save it and then put it on my Instagram, like as a story.

Tommy: If you were to pick one social media for 2020 that you actually spent more time on, like Stupidly obsessed with TikTok right now.

Josh: But are you just consuming it? I hate it.

Tully: I sit there just for hours, just next. I feel like you'd be good on TikTok. I subconsciously learnt the dances without even meaning to, just because I've watched so many of them. Can you do it?

Tommy: Will you do a TikTok for the Daily Talk Show? We don't have one yet. Will you do the first one?

Tully: I would do that with you if you create a TikTok account.

Tommy: Yes. What about you and 97 doing the one where you have to like engage each other's Saws.

Tully: Oh, and you sort of do like the seesaw? Yeah, yeah, the seesaws. Actually, I've seen your rig. You got a good rig. Yeah, he's got a great rig. Just with everyone else around? Yeah, it was loose EPLP top off.

Tommy: Fucking, can we try that?

Tully: Where did I see his rig?

Tommy: I posted an Insta storey of him at Laguna Beach just doing it.

Tully: Oh, and I sent a flame or like a thirsty emoji. Yeah, yeah. Didn't you take your top off and we didn't run you? No, you didn't, did you? No, no, he's not that.

Tommy: Damn it. Next time. Yeah. Oh, but how about this? This is what he sent me. Hang on, give me a second. This is a nude? Send me the nude.

Tully: Why don't I get the nudes?

Tommy: It's basically a nude. Jen's gonna love this episode. Hang on, what's his—

Tully: She was like, she was, she was really wanted to know every detail. I was just so happy. I was just, you know, so psyched.

Tommy: So he just was like, he had just been to the sauna. Oh, you just sent me that. Oh yeah.

Tully: Are you nude? Is he nude below that?

Tommy: Are you nude? No, no, no.

Josh: Sort your priorities about who you're sending your shit to.

Tully: What a waste of content.

Tommy: Just sending it to JoJo. Okay, ready for it?

Tully: What did you do?

Josh: Show the camera. Show the camera.

Tully: What did you do?

Josh: Bring it back to your face, JoJo. What did you do with that?

Tommy: No, I was like, oh, like, you look hot. Wasn't it zoomed out?

Mason: It was zoomed out a little bit more than that, wasn't it?

Tommy: Yeah, you can see your whole chest.

Tully: You guys are so supportive of each other.

Tommy: What do you think of Mason T?

Josh: He's had a haircut since. His tips are still there.

Tully: I like the tips. It's funny because I think I only— did I know him without the tip? I think you've always had the tips since I've known you. It was just a bit more. I like it a bit grown in as opposed to being all bleached, but you definitely like the tips. Keep the tips.

Tommy: Yeah, I think you need to go back to Rachel Vitullo.

Tully: Joey Scandizzo. Yeah, she was at the, uh, wedding.

Tommy: I think she did Seth's hair. Yeah, I think you should definitely—

Tully: I just think now that I've gone back and stalked you after our romantic holiday together, um, and saw you without the tips, it just adds a bit of edge that you kind of need it because you're so sweet and butter wouldn't melt in your mouth. Like, makes me want to do bad things to you because you're just—

Tommy: what is the butter in the mouth thing?

Tully: Well, think about it, butter wouldn't melt in his mouth because he's not hot. No, because he's just like so soft and like, like he's, he's butter. Like, you know, like, yeah, sure, he's just this little— and it— and I think the tips just give you like a, an edge. It's like, maybe you are a bad boy.

Tommy: You're just trying to nail custard to a wall. Yeah, basically. Or just nail Mason in a bed. It's a daily talk show.

Josh: We're gonna finish up and, um, leave these two alone.

Tommy: No TikTok? We're going to do it because it's hot in here.

Tully: No we've got the aircon on.

Tommy: Yeah we'll do TikTok for sure. Okay, we'll learn a dance. Perfect. Can we do this one? The '97— no 1997 and you doing the linking trying to go back.

Josh: Who's on the bottom?

Tully: Oh, you know there's the one way you do this? Kids sitting.

Josh: That's a good one.

Tommy: You know the one where you sort of like that?

Tully: And then we all changed outfits or you throw the necklace around and goes boom! No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. As it comes around, you've changed outfits.

Tommy: Actually, there's something funny about the transition for me because the idea is it goes from like basic looking shit to like looking— I should go from like my ASICS and go like that, and my Vans appear. That's been done.

Tully: Is it really? Or like people go backwards. Okay, they're looking like shit and then they think that we're gonna see them looking good, but they just wear even shitter clothes. I should—

Tommy: I— the reason I actually got rid of TikTok is because it sends me too many push push notification. Yeah, you turn them off because it comes up on my fucking Apple Watch.

Tully: I'm so embarrassed by it that I've put it in this light. So all my things are in perfect little folders. It's on this other page that I'm embarrassed by. What other things have you got on there? TikTok, Simple Radio to listen to a guy I was dating that does a radio show, so I could always listen to him. Who was it? We've talked about this off air for a reason.

Tommy: Okay, we'll talk about it later.

Tully: You know, there's a lot of cryptic—

Josh: if you listen to this, it's cryptic nature to Simple Radio.

Tully: I'm pretty open and honest, but there are some things that I should— yeah, unroll.

Mason: I mean They're selling privacy, blah, blah, blah. I don't care.

Tully: What am I trying to hide? Yeah, true. I've literally sent you a porno that you're going to like. Not that I'm in. No, I didn't. But you know what I mean? Like, I just don't care. Okay, I get it. About anything. I get it. Because you're— How's your lip gloss going? How's everyone's lips feeling?

Josh: Yeah, we were chapped.

Tully: You were so chapped.

Tommy: Is your Safari still at rogue?

Tully: Oh my God, you're going to get porn.

Tommy: No, there's no porn. Get out of there. Absolutely will be porn. On Safari or Chrome?

Tully: Chrome. Oh, not on Safari? No, you're checking.

Josh: Anyway, thank you, Tully. Thanks for coming back on.

Tully: Just finally, um, I don't want to leave. Can I become part of the show? Like, like, 100% monthly?

Tommy: Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I mean, is that almost like a bit— so if you go into Tully's phone, there is— can I communicate this to the people? Also, there's like—

Tully: okay, we won't talk about that, but like, you have your porn along with my Soddington parking fines. There's a lot of porn one. I can both make you feel something. He's not still scrolling.

Tommy: Look how many— it's between— who's this person? Like, it's between photos of people who are married and RedTube. That's so sad. It really says something, doesn't it? What is your actual— what are you—

Josh: yeah, it's gonna make some noise.

Tully: Um, it's hot now. I'm really hot.

Josh: Uh, 2020, uh, something that you want to do. Yeah, New Year's resolution.

Tommy: I know people hate resolutions, but just lean into it, please.

Tully: No, I don't. I like New Year's resolutions.

Tommy: I like being Hold accountable.

Tully: Look, I really, I need to learn how to cook properly, properly cook for myself. I'm spending way too much money. I'm an Uber Diamond member. You don't even want to know how much I spent.

Tommy: I was so annoyed that I didn't get on that earlier.

Tully: She just asked me what it meant.

Josh: Dude, it's a loser list. You don't want to be on it. Are you kidding me?

Tully: I get free delivery and I get 50% off all rides and I get Uber Premium for Uber Black, Uber X rates.

Josh: This conversation makes no sense because you're just talking about how you want to be the person that isn't on that fucking list.

Tommy: No, but I was saying earlier, is there not a contradiction between the two things? Because I was saying I want to eat more.

Tully: Yeah, I don't know why you'd launch a loyalty programme and then cut it off. Like, why do that? Why? They cut it off. You can't— it's a waiting list now. You can't.

Tommy: So why couldn't I, uh, because I never got told about it.

Tully: It just came up on my app one day.

Tommy: Okay, I just went. And so you want to cook more? Have you tried that? Because I'm doing— what am I doing? 97?

Mason: HelloFresh? No. Yeah, it's one of those.

Tommy: No, no, no, it's not.

Tully: It's not You've got to— so Muscle Chef, so you've got to put on muscle.

Tommy: No, they have different options. They've got different options.

Josh: It's a pre-cooked meal. Yeah, it's just— I think it's a step towards— I think it's one step towards actually cooking shit for yourself. Trying to lose some weight. Yes. So it's controlled calories.

Tully: You're being a man.

Tommy: Why don't you do KICK? Like, uh, I don't need another subscription. Yeah, right.

Josh: Yeah, I think it's good what he's doing. It's like pre-cooked food.

Tully: I like— I love YouFood for the same reason. I am—

Tommy: I feel like I'd eat too many of those fucking balls and shit, like the snacks and stuff, you know what I mean? Because literally someone was saying the other day, yesterday they were saying YouFoods have a sale on, so they're buying heaps of the balls, protein balls.

Tully: They are delicious. Um, yeah, no, I want to learn how to cook. I've done a few cooking classes in the past just for funsies, and I really, really enjoy it. I think it's a good way for me to get off a screen. It's good for my anxiety, um, and I just enjoy it. So definitely work on that some finish this goddamn book. And I really, really, really— I want to try and get to Europe this summer. I've never been to Europe. Never? No, not during summer. Not like a European summer. So, okay, so that's June, July on the list. Yeah. And then obviously we've got our wedding coming up. That's so exciting. Europe wedding. Amazing. Positano. Positano wedding.

Josh: There you go on the Italian. There could be something funny.

Tommy: Mr. 97 Italy does Europe. Like a Euro trip.

Josh: Is just eat it, Mason. You know, when you go out with somebody, just don't, just don't knock it back, just eat it. I totally agree.

Tully: You have creepily nailed me in a very short time of knowing me. That was way too— that was quite good.

Josh: I was sober, I remember. Wow.

Tommy: Looking on the phone, anything?

Josh: I just got a little vibration. Bins. We're gonna take the bins out, guys, so, um, let's wrap this up.

Tommy: Uh, so are you continuing the podcast or you got a new new one with Mama Mia?

Tully: Look, it's still not decided. My preference is to do a new podcast. But yeah, look, season 2 might still happen. We have a couple of names that couldn't make season 1 that are still keen to do it. So it's not, it's not a definite no. But my, I would love to do a show that I pitched that was sort of more something that's in line with what I'm passionate about and what I'm interested in rather than what Mia's interested in, to be completely honest. And she'd be fine with me saying that.

Tommy: Yeah, well, if you, if you need someone to do it. You can come on our show. Thank you.

Tully: I mean, you know, someone else will be fighting you for that.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah. Can we have it? Punch on with Mia? Is that what you're saying?

Tully: No, old mate Scooter. That's a funny reference. Yeah, he'd be so upset if I was recording anywhere but his studio.

Tommy: Oh no. Oh no. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Uh, it's Daily Talk Show. hi@thedailytalkshow.com is the email address. Uh, enjoy the rest of the day. See you tomorrow, guys.

Josh: See you guys.