Pistons & Pokémon With Scooter Derek

Derek: The Daily Talk Show.

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 532.

Tommy: What's going on, guys?

Josh: Weekend banter with Scooter Derek.

Derek: Hey guys, great to be back, mate.

Tommy: Uh, back from episode 500.

Josh: Oh, that was the last time you're on?

Tommy: Yes. Yeah, mate, I haven't— I mean, I've seen you, but you did a great job. Thank you. Just one more time, thank you.

Derek: Are you talking about the ambush? Yeah, yeah, it was great.

Josh: You know, I ambushed you into helping us.

Derek: These guys know full well my dreaded fear of live stuff. It's why I became a podcaster and into podcasting.

Tommy: What is it? What is your fear? I don't know.

Derek: I just get anxious. I get a buildup of anxiety before something.

Josh: You livestream all the time. You're telling us we need to be livestreaming every episode.

Tommy: Is it because it's from your cave?

Derek: I'm not fear of other people livestreaming. I'm just saying it's that fear that I'll—

Josh: You do livestreams of you opening Pokémon cards and then you give them out.

Derek: No, I don't. No, they've stopped that.

Tommy: There's always no evidence to back up what you're saying.

Josh: Why did you stop that?

Derek: Because I was doing it as, as, as I've explained to him, but I haven't told Tom yet. I was doing it to teach myself how to best use OBS live and flip between screens and graphics and stuff like that.

Josh: Why Pokémon though?

Derek: And because my kids are into Pokémon and they're opening the cards anyway. I went, right.

Josh: But then you gave them away, didn't you? Upset your son Tom.

Derek: I didn't. I offered to give them away, but I put I put certain limits on it, whereas there had to be so many viewers and I didn't give any away.

Josh: Well, so this was the best part. So I spoke to Scooter on the phone.

Derek: Hang on. Are you catching this? I'm under the bus here.

Josh: Can you hear my voice?

Derek: I'm under the bus.

Josh: So he, he did one where he gave one away.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: And his son Tom was spewing.

Derek: He was spewing.

Josh: Can you explain what, what you actually do? You turn it around. Revealing a certain card.

Derek: Yeah, well, the kids have shown me this thing, so I'm trying to get a YouTube channel thing up and going. I'm trying to train myself to get it right, to start doing videos about my podcast production business and stuff like that, and all the tech.

Tommy: A very quirky studio. If you're new to this channel, go to Castaway Studios on Instagram, everywhere, on everything. It's a quirky little, little joint. I love it. It's perfect.

Derek: It's pretty cool.

Tommy: It's actually an extension of your personality, to be honest. Is it like when you have a dog and the dog becomes— the dog morphs into you?

Josh: But so go on. So the Pokémon thing, you train, you, you get the Pokémon cards out and then—

Derek: I don't anymore, but that's what you're doing.

Josh: Yeah.

Derek: So the kids showed me this channel where people, they just literally, they're on the screen, they're all excitable, like they're hysterical, and they open They flip, they open a pack of cards and they open lots of packs of cards and all rare ones and everything. And kids watch it. They kind of satisfy their addiction to opening them without having to spend $6 each time.

Tommy: Mum won't give me 6 bucks.

Derek: Yeah. So they watch them open.

Tommy: How old are these people opening these things?

Derek: This is where it gets interesting. They're grown people. Like one guy's a lawyer.

Tommy: They're grown children.

Derek: No, he's a lawyer who gave it all up to open Pokémon cards.

Tommy: Can you find out? Can you get back up this story, please? Can you just type in The guy that gave up lawyer being a lawyer to open Pokémon cards.

Derek: And so he sent me his name is Leon Hart. His name is Leon Hart. The kids love him and he's a happy-go-lucky guy. But there's more to this story. So I thought, oh, let's do this. But I went anonymous for about 5 minutes. I didn't. And then I went, no, this is dumb. I was talking to some of the school parents going, I can't believe the kids watch these grown people getting hysterical about it. Silly. Yeah. Who would do that? So I just flipped them to see if there was a, you know, a way of just trying to describe it.

Josh: So you had a livestream video and it's just your hand and a packet of Pokémon cards and you just peel it off and then you reveal slowly the different cards that are in the packet.

Derek: Exactly. And I thought, well, this could be fun if I do it live because that's what I wanted to do. To make sure I could stream before I offer it to clients. And so if I offer them live and people comment, if there's enough people watching, then if they all jump on and say, I want that one and there's a timer. Yeah, right. Then I spin a wheel. I've got this. There's like a Darryl's wheel. What do you guys call it? A wheel? Like a Wheel of Fortune? Yeah, like Wheel of Fortune. You spin the wheel and, you know, the 7th commenter wins it and you send it to them. But I never end up doing that because it just was super creepy.

Josh: Well, so because you did what you— I was speaking to you on the phone and I was like, hey Derek, what are you doing? You're like, I'm live streaming. I said, how can you talk to me? It's like, I've just got music playing. They can just see my hands.

Derek: Yeah.

Josh: And so then you said that you'd given one away. And the way that it happens is people would mention the card name, and if 4 people mention the correct card name, then the last person to say it wins it. Is that right? Is that—

Derek: Yeah. No, if 5 people ask for it, then it qualifies. Basically, there was only 3 viewers, so I was safe. And so anyway, take the cards home and give them to the kids.

Josh: Well, that's what was happening. But then I was watching, like, I simultaneously listening, listening to Derek. I'm like, I'm going to go on here. He fucked me anyway. Josh, I then saw that there was like 4 people that all said one card. And so I said it and he's like, oh fuck no. And so he pulls the internet from his power. Don't be so young, mate. So he like, he didn't close the program, he disconnected his internet.

Tommy: Oh, we've lost connection.

Josh: So that his whole internet, like, so it didn't exist.

Derek: It's true.

Tommy: I did.

Derek: Totally corrupt. This is me being out. I might, I might, I could go to prison for this.

Tommy: No heart in your hand.

Derek: It's pretty lame.

Tommy: Find out about the law.

Mason: Leonhart? Yeah, his name's Lee Steinfield. Steinfeld, and he's a licenced attorney in Dallas, Texas.

Tommy: And, and, um, and what's he doing now? How big is his YouTube channel? Like, how big is this guy?

Mason: 700,000 subscribers on YouTube.

Josh: It's not bad.

Tommy: Yeah. Um, I wonder if they've pulled them up. I wonder if he's lost monetization based on the new YouTube law where you can't make money from kids.

Josh: Definitely. And you can't comment either, so you wouldn't be able— kids wouldn't even be able to comment anymore on your stuff.

Derek: Well, yeah, if it's specific, I pulled the pin on this whole thing.

Josh: Why?

Derek: Well, because I'd done what I need to do. You keep forgetting that I was just doing it to train myself to do the streaming thing, right? So I pulled the pin on this thing and then at the same time, COPPA, Children's Online Protection, something, something, right? And all these new laws, this new YouTube stuff. You know, when you put a YouTube up, it says, is this aimed at kids?

Josh: Right.

Derek: So that was to do with some YouTube getting fined $170 million from FDA or three letters in America. Right. They got a fine.

Mason: FTC.

Derek: FTC. Yeah, that sounds about right. And, and so there's all this kind of hype going on if you're aiming at kids. And I went, oh, fuck that. I'm not, I'm not. This is— I'll have to practise in a different way. Right. And it's to protect— I mean, it's to protect the kids. So kids can't— so instead of the parents having to go, oh, you know, YouTube's a minefield. Like, I've got kids, and if they watch a video and you go, let me— you know, my kids aren't allowed to watch a YouTube video unless I say they can. But it rolls into another one which might be completely random.

Tommy: Well, and the swipe-ups, and then you can see a list, and it's, it's a minefield.

Josh: What sort of stuff are they searching? What do kids search?

Derek: I don't know.

Tommy: No, I don't think it's a lot of—

Josh: I mean, it's more the recommendation.

Tommy: And so yeah, it's the, it's the rabbit hole you get down.

Josh: So I saw that there's a new— YouTube's been pushing me this new app for kids. You heard about this?

Derek: Yeah, YouTube Kids.

Tommy: So they're gonna make a switch.

Josh: Yeah, so I guess it's specifically designed for— Netflix have these, like, it's, it's so you don't go from, you know, watching a kids TV show to watching Jackass.

Tommy: Yeah. And on aeroplanes, if you get onto the kids mode, you have to use two buttons to get out of it. I had to help the lady next to me on the way back from Singapore. She was stuck in there. I was like, ah, I've been there, sweetheart. Here you go. Did it.

Josh: She's like, oh, did you say don't call me sweetheart?

Tommy: She slapped me. I had to move.

Josh: I feel like, yeah, yeah, don't call me sweetheart.

Tommy: So the bottom line, she was a sweethearted person though. If you would ever call someone a sweetheart, it's her.

Josh: My mum would be the type to say don't call me sweetheart, I reckon. She hates anyone that like, dials or anything at it.

Tommy: Like, thanks darling. Yeah, I mean, I've—

Derek: Thanks. What about older women that say it? I think my mum calls you darl, or—

Josh: I don't mind at all, but I think my mum's like a bit, don't dial me. It's almost like, don't buy me till you know me.

Tommy: When young women, like, I've had it at a cafe where it's like, it's, it's really disruptive because it's usually comes from an older person.

Josh: They say darl.

Tommy: Yeah, I've been called darling by a younger woman.

Josh: I was like, oh, how did it make you feel?

Tommy: A bit tingly. I was a bit, you know, caught off guard.

Derek: Nah, I'm going to close that loop though. Yeah, with the YouTube thing, the, um, the new rules when you— if it's for kids or they deem it for kids or and there's a lot of hype going on, a lot of hysteria. A lot of people are making great content and getting a lot of downloads with the hysteria, right? So they're tapping—

Tommy: I mean, look at that.

Derek: This guy Leonhart just put one out as a, you know, with an excerpt.

Josh: Why are you pointing like that at Mr. Nice Guy?

Derek: The Leonhart guy, he, he just released a video explaining it all, right? So he's, um, for kids, or is this one for parents? No, kids watching content creators. That's what I'm talking about.

Josh: He's got a content creator channel.

Tommy: One-off.

Josh: Everyone's doing one-off explaining it all because on his own channel, on his own channel, like watching it going to like Blue's Clues, then all of a sudden getting some real serious. Yeah, he ended up being—

Tommy: I want to discuss management here at Blue's Clues. There's a bit going on.

Josh: Yeah, the mail's been very slow.

Tommy: Yeah, he's watching.

Derek: Can you find that video?

Tommy: I really want to watch it later. Listen, the one where he's explaining the changes. Let's see if there's comments. See if kids— uh, yeah, see if they've got comments activated and if anyone's activated saying, off-brand, dude.

Derek: Yeah. So basically, when you— when it's for kids, you're— there's no comments. You know the drill. There's no comments and there's no targeted advertising. So they're estimating to drop their revenue by 85%.

Tommy: 85%. Hang on, what?

Derek: 85%.

Tommy: Uh, the revenue of the creator.

Derek: The creator's revenue.

Josh: What about Google?

Derek: No, no, you don't have to worry about YouTube. They're, they're okay. But the targeted ads aren't possible to protect the children, so they're not targeted with ads.

Josh: I mentioned Jackass. Did you ever watch Jackass back in the day?

Tommy: No. Bum fights?

Derek: I saw the ads for it. I look, I saw that.

Tommy: That's pretty cool. Bum fights, you saw that? It was all like someone showed me that once. It was all downloading through. The one became really famous, Rufus. Like a specific person, a specific homeless person. Well, this is the king of bum fights.

Josh: This is what I think is the crazy thing. The Bagel Guy has a bit of that.

Tommy: So who's that?

Josh: The Bagel Guy is the guy who is like very, very short, and he was in a bagel shop and he had a fight. And so he was angry.

Mason: Yeah, he got angry.

Josh: So he was trying to get people to fight him. Like, there seems to be a big culture at the moment of like, um, boxing Boxing fight.

Tommy: There's a lot of money in it. Look at the— look at, uh, Logan Paul, KSI. They had like an unbelievably huge turnout to the Staples Center, which is where the NBA goes down. It's like big concerts go down. They filled the joint.

Derek: Wow.

Tommy: Rick Ross, there was like, um, who else was there? It's huge.

Derek: What sort of fighting is it?

Tommy: Like actual celebs outside of YouTube.

Josh: It's boxing.

Tommy: Yeah, it's boxing.

Josh: Are you into boxing or no?

Derek: I went to the boxing When I was a kid, it was all Muhammad Ali, and it was, it was, it was huge. It wasn't— there wasn't any judgement or anything.

Josh: Would you watch it on TV?

Derek: Yeah, we did. We, you know, and, and even when I was about 18, everyone would gather in pubs to watch a big heavyweight title fight.

Tommy: Uh, Rumble in the Jungle, what year was that?

Derek: I don't know, that was back before me.

Tommy: Yeah, so you're not that old.

Derek: But all that— now, very quite young.

Tommy: I'm very quite young.

Derek: But, but I had nothing to do with boxing until recently. I went to the big stadium. What's it called? The— not Palladium. No, no, no, no.

Josh: It—

Derek: there's a boxing place, like a boxing arena. The Pavilion, it's called. I think they use it for weddings and stuff as well. But it's like the sons of Lester Ellis, right?

Tommy: Yeah.

Derek: Jim Ellis Gym. And the people that go and train there, like my mate, He went to do it for weight loss and health.

Josh: Is this '97? Is this where we went and saw PJ? No, no, I feel like that place would do weddings.

Mason: No, but it's— this place is way bigger. It's called the Melbourne Pavilion.

Josh: Okay, what suburb?

Mason: Kensington.

Tommy: Yeah, Kensington.

Derek: Okay, and it is amazing. It's like walking into another world.

Josh: And do you feel like you leave there wanting to start a fight?

Derek: No, I thought that. I thought, oh geez, this is going to be interesting because I used to go to the first couple of motorcycle Grand Prix I went to on Phillip Island.

Josh: Get a bit silly when you drive home, you get a bit—

Derek: and I saw people, there wasn't much policing and stuff, but I saw it was Armageddon out there on the streets. It was like Mad Max 3. They were— people just went mental because they were fired up. They saw people racing and they really fired up.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah.

Derek: And I thought, oh Christ, what's it going to be like in a boxing pavilion with every, you know, every, every bogan from every suburb all gathered together to see their friends. I mean, including myself.

Tommy: It's probably the one place— I mean, yeah, you do hear of fights. No, bikies have fought. I've seen— you can look on YouTube, bikies fighting, shoot— like shootouts at boxing matches in Melbourne. Remember that? Do you remember that? Was it the Hells Angels dude? He's now in jail for a long time.

Josh: Don't mention that.

Tommy: Yeah. It's, yeah, it's full-on, but it was very clean. It was, yeah, I mean, there's fuckwits trying to fight who probably can't fight at a boxing match like that.

Derek: This was amazing because they had all the people that, that go to the gym. Like, my mate had been going to the gym for maybe a year, I don't know. Sorry, a long time. A long time.

Josh: But he'd gone, he dropped—

Derek: I'll remind you, you know you can cancel it now, dude. He dropped 40 kilos.

Tommy: You can just shut it off and say I don't want to pay by the end of the— you could, you could call now, you could preempt it.

Josh: Oh, and just pay the difference and then finish it?

Tommy: Yeah. Anyway, get a lawyer.

Josh: Have you had any gym membership?

Derek: I feel like you would have had several gym memberships. I had my first one— I'd love to talk about this Boxing Day, but we'll talk about it. My first—

Tommy: finish your boxing story.

Derek: I can't remember it. It was, it was a very exciting night, but it was emotional because these dudes and girls were getting up, having a crack in front of all their friends. And there's a thing where they all have to sell tickets and stuff. It's like school concert kind of thing.

Tommy: Yeah, but you punch your heads in.

Derek: But the heart, the heart is amazing to get up there and have a crack in the tech, trying to techniques and basically getting punched against each other. It was awesome.

Josh: Gym memberships.

Derek: The gym membership. I joined a gym with my mate and I was probably a kind of a bit of over-the-top 78 kilos or something like that. Like, oh, we're getting a bit flabby, mate.

Josh: Over-the-top 78, does that mean you're 78 kilos over what you should be?

Derek: No, I was 78 kilos.

Josh: Okay, sure.

Derek: So we were like puny guys and we, and we decided to, to get some muscles and we joined this gym in Lilydale and we went along.

Josh: What year was this?

Derek: Can we just say '89? Yep. So 30 years ago, is it?

Tommy: Well, I'm 88, 31, and I'm 31 years old.

Derek: It worked. Yeah, so me and him, we're like Mr. Puniverse, you know, and we're doing everything they told us to do. Oh, push! And we laughed because the other guys, you could hear them going, come on, mate, push, push! Do you want to get big or not?

Mason: Come on!

Derek: You were talking to each other in this gym culture, was pretty fascinating to us. And we were doing that, we just, we weren't kind of laughing at him. We're just going, oh, that's what—

Josh: did you have personal trainers? No. How did you know what to do? How did you know what to do?

Derek: No, the people come and tell you what to do and write down on a list, then you go around with your piece of paper and do everything that it says. So then we're, we're going, oh, we look at each other going, wow, are you just—

Josh: he just—

Tommy: when someone grabs your arm, what does that mean?

Josh: He just said, oh, when I did it. What do you think? Not good?

Derek: No, you did it too. I didn't think you would. I thought you'd leave it.

Tommy: I guess to get it before they grab it, but like, it's nothing— there's nothing impressive about grabbing an unflexed arm.

Derek: Anyway, I wasn't— it wasn't about Tom's arm, it was about what we were going, whoa, second time got him before he grabbed it. Flex before we're like feeling so buff and sweaty and everything. We walked into the changing room and I was like You know, no, you know, it was like get our towels and we're all kind of feeling super buff. And you know who walked in? Who? A guy called Dave Russell. Go for it, 90 Sev's. And he was— I don't know what his position was at the time, but I think he was like, you know, the heavyweight champion or boxing champion.

Tommy: Yeah. And he was just giant.

Derek: He was like a statue. And we both just shrank back into ourselves.

Tommy: Dude, you always went back training. You got to train with people who are so much fitter or stronger or bigger than you. Like, I used to train with bodybuilders and I was such a little twerp, but then I'd train with my mates and I'm like, I'm a sick— I'm a sick C. That's how you'd feel bigger.

Josh: Found anything on it?

Mason: Yeah, he's a professional boxer. Yeah, I mean, he's got a 40% KO rate.

Tommy: Heavyweight. Good. So that's great. KO's people 40% of the time.

Josh: That means that 60% of the time he doesn't.

Tommy: No, it just means you can win a fight.

Josh: So how many wins has he had in his his career.

Tommy: What's his career?

Josh: Does that mean he's been KO'd 60%?

Tommy: No, no, no, it just means— so you go, um, I've won 16 fights, 8 of them have been via KO, blah blah blah.

Derek: How, how often— what's the stats on KOs versus points?

Tommy: Like, it depends on the fighter. Um, Mayweather has never, I don't think, knocked out anybody.

Derek: I mean, in general, in the whole world of boxing Is it like—

Tommy: depends on the weight. Featherweight stuff, you're not really getting knockouts. UFC is a different ball game because they're just fighting without gloves on.

Josh: Here's a riddle for you: what weighs more— this is for Tommy— a kilogramme of feathers or a kilogramme of bricks?

Tommy: Same.

Derek: Good one.

Tommy: It's not like—

Derek: I tried this on my son Tom and he went, what did he say?

Mason: Same.

Josh: Oh really?

Derek: Yeah.

Josh: He didn't say—

Derek: fortunately my daughter butted him going Brex.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah.

Josh: Kids these days, uh, we're reading an article about the sex recession. Have you heard about this?

Derek: I don't know what that is. So you just said kids these days.

Josh: Well, so young people, like people 97's age, aren't having sex.

Derek: Yeah, I just sort of noticed that.

Tommy: Mr. 97, pull up some stats around this. Like, what's, what's going on? What do you find when you, when you search that? It's a, um Yeah, it's a funny one because if you think about it, what is— what has changed over the last 30 years? You could say we're all a bit more woke.

Josh: iPhones.

Tommy: I mean, iPhones. iPhones are more information. So are we scared off from doing things like having emotional connection with people? So sexual—

Josh: did you see a transition? Did you see a transition from, say, the '90s to the 2000s in regards to people's willingness to have sex.

Derek: You're talking about a bunch of kids that feel like they've been violated when you ring them on the phone. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, it's, it's— yeah, I think Tom's right. It's, it's— I think it's like, my God, actually, I'm not showing them my cock.

Josh: Do you think that people—

Derek: whereas it used to be the disco, now they've got Tinder so they can get on, and the internet, even You know, what's Face Tinder? Facebook, right? I wonder if—

Tommy: I wonder if there's, say, um, people can fall in love with falling in love. So you go, um, what I actually desire is that chase, the love bit, which isn't necessarily the intercourse part.

Josh: You romanticise the love.

Tommy: Yeah, exactly. So it's the chase, right? So you're, you're getting these micro fulfilment through things like Tinder and the response in the message, and then it's like working it out and then it sort of fucking all falls apart.

Josh: There's something fun, like from the entrepreneurial point of view, it's fun. Trademarks and setting up businesses and doing all these sorts of things, and then you actually have to like do the work.

Tommy: Mr. Nice Sex, yeah, what do you, what do you find? Read this out.

Mason: So the sexual frequency, the decline in sexual frequency coincided with two events: the introduction of the iPhone in 2007 and the GFC.

Tommy: I mean, shouldn't that be more? 2015. When was that?

Mason: 2015? 2008.

Tommy: Sorry, 2008.

Mason: So in Australia, GFC was 2008.

Tommy: Yeah, no, definitely there and now. But also that was because, yeah, Mum and Dad sold the house the week before the GFC. Oh, that's good. 2008. That's a long time. So that's stock market. The stock market. So you wake up Monday morning and it's just the Dow Jones.

Josh: Have you ever bought stocks in your life? Yes. What's that like?

Derek: I bought a com— I got the CommSec thing. I'll do that. And then I'll have some stuff. And they went, oh, you have to like lay down $5,000 to start. And I went, oh, fuck that. But I've still got— I still get a report for my zero CommSec account.

Josh: Yeah. So what is— oh, so CommSec, okay, is the account you need to be able to trade.

Derek: I don't know.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tommy: You could set up a CommSec account. I remember that.

Derek: Commonwealth Bank fee. Yeah.

Tommy: But I've got another one for you now.

Josh: Because ANZ has like an exchange. Because I do wonder, it's like if you want to, 97, do you know anything about this? I've heard, by the way, multiple people have been saying that this idea about your super, the 50% super, not a good idea. I know, I get a lot of that. I was speaking to Rob Ward from Quad Lock.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: He was like, mate, that's going to be worth nothing.

Tommy: The fucked up bit is Barefoot Investor, who people listen to, They would probably listen to them over their own parent. It's probably a good idea.

Derek: But you know what, you've got— you like, number one, my instinct is like, I gotta shake that kid. What a dickhead. Like, the future, you'll be older and sicker and miserable with more responsibility and less time, and just spend the money now, have a good time. But then I think, what makes— what makes you happy? And if putting fucking 50% and doing some nonsensical vibe makes him happy, if it settles down some anxiety in the back of his brain so he can continue living, then fucking go for it.

Tommy: I think, yeah, I mean, go for it.

Derek: Financial advice is stupid. Have a good time all the time.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: I mean, the super, I mean, super for a lot of people in Australia, it's 9% of your wage is forced savings. So is it 401? Is that what they call it in the US? Yeah, I think you have to contribute.

Tommy: It's a very—

Josh: Well, it's an opt-in.

Tommy: It sounds a bit messy. Yeah, it's an opt-in. This is compulsory for businesses who people are on PAYG employed. The employer needs to pay 9%.

Josh: So there's 9%. So 97, your idea is that by putting in more—

Mason: Earlier on.

Josh: Early, but also like even going back on like the timing thing, you can put additional funds over the compulsory 9% What's that called again? That's called contributions.

Mason: Salary sacrificing. Yeah, sacrificing.

Josh: And so by doing— we need to get BK talking about this because he's in one salary sacrificing as well. So the idea is that you can put in up to how many percent that is not taxed?

Mason: So it's, you can, you can only put a maximum of $25K, I think.

Josh: $25,000.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: Per year.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Away to superannuation.

Derek: Yeah, without getting taxed.

Mason: No, no, no, it gets taxed at like 15%, but you're only allowed to contribute to your super voluntarily up to $25,000.

Josh: And so $25,000, is that on top of the 9%?

Mason: No, I think that's inclusive of the 9%.

Josh: So 25— have you done the maths on 25 grand? What's a normal tax bracket, 30%?

Mason: Yeah, 30, 32.5, I think it is.

Josh: So if it's 30% and you're paying 15% over $25,000, how much cash extra are you getting technically saving from tax?

Mason: Yeah, I had it all down in an Evernote sheet. I don't know where it is, but I am saving money.

Tommy: You're saving money for 45 years' time.

Josh: Because that's one of the deals.

Mason: I'm also paying less tax. My taxable income is less than what it would be and I'm paying less tax on it.

Josh: Well, that's the point of that 15%, right? Yeah.

Derek: Yeah, hang on, you said it was limited to $25K a year.

Tommy: Yeah, so you earn $100 grand, you can only put $25,000 of your own.

Derek: How are you putting 50% of your wage in?

Tommy: Think through the maths. He doesn't earn that much.

Josh: He doesn't earn $100 grand yet.

Derek: No, but you guys are putting in 9%.

Tommy: 9%. And so you—

Josh: Are we doing 50? You tell me. He puts in 50. You put in 50% of—

Tommy: Put it this way, every fortnight his super contribution is double what Josh and ours is combined. So that's like a hard—

Josh: is it 50% or is it not? Did we make that up?

Mason: Of what?

Josh: Your salary? Do you take 50%?

Mason: Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: Well, you can work out how much he's on now. You've just given that away.

Josh: That's okay.

Tommy: Sam Kavanaugh wanted to know. We'll send this snippet to Sam.

Derek: At least it stops me from, uh, blowing out my offer when I go to poach him.

Tommy: Hey, um, Gypsy Tales wanted to poach him. Yeah, ask if he had a brother or a twin.

Josh: What is your thoughts on finance?

Tommy: Yeah, just one thing. I want to take this to a darker place.

Josh: Oh great.

Tommy: Um, the superannuation stuff, Mum and Dad were telling me, speaking to their financial guy, um, there's a fucked up thing when you pass away. Inheritance can be taxed heavily. So if you're waiting on a nest egg of $500 grand from your parents that have that, it can be taxed at fucking 20 or 30% or whatever it is. There is these mini loopholes where you can shift money out of your super account into something else and then back in, and you lose that charge of tax. It's bizarre. Anyway, the will stuff, writing a will. When I was stripping. I flew up to Sydney to go on that tour through New Zealand. I was 19, and there were some quirky characters coming on that trip. And one of them, Brayden— I wonder what Brayden's up to. Um, he basically, he was like, if we were like the, the B-side, as we got called, as in like they'd taken the shit guys to New Zealand.

Josh: Sure.

Tommy: He was in the Z-side. He wasn't it.

Josh: Like, you were B?

Tommy: Oh, compared to him, I was A. Like his rig was so sloppy. It's like they just— that— I think what happened was one guy pulled out, they're like, this guy, is there something funny in that as well? There's something really funny. But what it played into was this character.

Josh: I could do some funny shit.

Tommy: It was fucking— it was so funny. It was so— it was good bloke, bit weird. But I remember I'd met him for the first time. I flew up to Sydney fresh, wide-eyed, bushy-tailed. He takes me in the car, we drive into Bondi Junction from the 'burbs and he's like, I've got to go sort my will out. He was like 23. He's like, yeah, I gotta tell my missus I'd do it.

Josh: What's he got planned?

Tommy: I don't know. It was all a bit weird to me, but he's 23. It's probably more something we should be doing now. What do you think about the will stuff?

Derek: Every time these things come up, like tax returns, superannuation, will, they come up every year, brah. A little panic attack. I don't have a will. You don't have any super?

Josh: Well, I mean, that's what happens when you're self-employed. You're being self-employed and all that sort of stuff.

Tommy: Yeah. You have a house though.

Derek: Yeah, I've got everything's cool, but—

Tommy: Well, I mean, no, no. So like, I'm just trying to— some people would be like, that's the dumbest thing you've ever— that's the dumbest thing to not have super. I mean, some people say that. It's crazy.

Derek: Yeah, it is the dumbest thing.

Josh: But you're going to work forever.

Derek: But you know, you run a business and you run a business for 10 years and you go, I'll sort that out later. And then you're 30 and then you run another business for 8 years and you go, I'll sort that out later when I make a profit. Well, technically with hindsight, you should have that dripping away because you can't get it back.

Josh: It is a pain in the ass though. I never used to pay myself super until now.

Derek: I never have. Yeah.

Josh: And it costs a lot of money. I mean, yeah.

Tommy: Ask Mr. 97.

Josh: But it'll be good in the future, I guess.

Tommy: No, it's all good. If everything goes to shit, right? We've at least got some superannuation. Oh no, no, not.

Derek: No, who's got that money?

Tommy: No, the— yeah, when we're old. I mean, here's the fucked up bit, uh, the pension. If you're relying entirely on the pension, it's a hard— it's a hard fucking existence moving forward when you're old.

Derek: If the Liberal government have their way and continue to have their way, you may as well just fucking walk off a cliff when you're old.

Josh: Well, you are— you are encouraging people to kill themselves.

Derek: No, I have not. Oh, but that little cliff down onto the beach at Rosebud and have a lovely swim. What do you think I'm talking about?

Tommy: Yeah, and maybe not come back.

Josh: And so do you have a super account? Like, have you got any? You got something or no?

Derek: There would have been one from the '80s when I had a job.

Tommy: It'd be gone now.

Derek: No, no, I thought they stayed forever.

Tommy: Consolidate it.

Josh: Consolidate it.

Tommy: Consolidate it. There has to be something.

Josh: If he had $1,000 in there and it's been like, he might be like, oh fuck, that's turned into $100,000. Probably not.

Tommy: No, the point of having—

Derek: Probably turn into $1,100.

Tommy: The point, if you have a super account that doesn't have any money going into it for many, many years, the whole thing is that it'll be eaten up by the account fees. That's the whole thing about consolidating your super. If you leave one over here and it's got $200 in it, in 20 years, it will be— there will be a lot of it eaten up by the account fee. If it's a $10, $5 a year account fee over 20 years—

Mason: They're usually about, I think they're like $80 a year or something.

Tommy: Yeah, your money's gone. Yeah, well, and that's why I have one that keeps getting the drip, because then it can actually—

Derek: you know, it's on my list for in the new year.

Tommy: It is the most— have you got a MyGov?

Derek: And I'm just— yeah, yeah.

Tommy: So then you— it's actually— it's fair, it's real simple.

Josh: Host Plus.

Tommy: Oh yeah, so when you join up— I was going to say, who go with Host Plus?

Josh: Okay, I mean, can we have a referral link?

Derek: Barefoot's referring it, but yeah, imagine Barefoot got a fucking referral.

Mason: By ING.

Josh: That's not true. He hates that.

Tommy: No, that's the one question is like, yeah, anything you recommend, people think you're getting paid.

Josh: One criticism I have of ING, they've got a new ad at the moment out. Have you seen it, 97? No. It's got the, um, the, the lady with the red hair. She's an actor, I think, and she's like, plays this—

Tommy: you think?

Josh: Yeah, plays this sort of, uh, outrageous character. I think she's a famous actor. I think that's the shtick.

Tommy: Oh, is it, um The woman who—

Mason: Isla Fisher.

Tommy: Oh, it's Isla Fisher. You know who that is? Sacha Baron Cohen.

Josh: Really?

Tommy: That's his wife. Oh, amazing.

Josh: Well, anyway, what I don't like about that ad is she pops balloons. She's going around with balloons and she's popping them. And if we know anything, having been to Phillip Island, penguins. Oh, the balloons. I don't do any balloons anymore, dude.

Derek: I don't like balloons.

Tommy: I mean, we've— did we get called out for an audio carbon emission?

Josh: Yeah. Oh yeah, no, we didn't get called out. Someone said, no, you guys should focus on the audio rather than video because the carbon emission is lower on audio than video.

Derek: What does that mean?

Tommy: Because can you see, can we just get any fucking rationale behind that?

Josh: Well, because, uh, well, because you have to process—

Mason: YouTube has to process the, the video, and so they encode it, and that takes up server resources, which means they have to you know, use energy to do it.

Derek: So who said that?

Josh: I don't know, but you're using your carbon footprint for Pokémon cards.

Derek: I know, that's why I'm offended.

Tommy: There's always— I saw an article that was like, um, that's really upset you, hasn't it? Child labour in the fields to power your electric vehicle.

Josh: Say that again.

Tommy: It was something like the headline was child, child labour in the fields to power your electric so you can drive your electric vehicle, which I didn't quite get. I just read the headline.

Josh: What can we do? Like, I guess the issue with all of this stuff is what options do we have? It seems like there's so many gotchas.

Derek: One step at a time and ignore those fuckers, right? This is the thing. I got an e-bike.

Josh: Here we go.

Derek: Right. Started commuting every day from Preston to Collingwood, around 18 kilometres a day altogether. Right. And you know what they said?

Mason: What?

Derek: You know, you still have to burn brown coal to charge that thing up.

Josh: Burn brown coal.

Derek: I'm turning into that other guy from YouTube.

Josh: Anyway. Which one?

Derek: Brown coal. That's like— we've got the most disgusting, filthy way of generating electricity.

Josh: You do.

Derek: Brown coal in Victoria. Right. It's disgraceful.

Josh: Compared to brown coal versus— are there other colors?

Derek: Yeah, yeah. There's, you know, blue coal, pink coal.

Josh: Is there really?

Derek: No, no, sorry. There's black coal and brown coal.

Josh: Well, there's two coals. Yeah, and what is the difference between brown and black?

Derek: Brown's dirty. It's dirty coal.

Josh: Compared to black?

Derek: You've got me there. I've got no idea. But people say brown coal is the dirtiest way of generating electricity.

Josh: But is there a difference between black and brown coal?

Derek: I assume there is.

Josh: 97, can you look? I just feel like coal's coal.

Mason: So, brown coal is classified as a low-rank coal because it has high ash and moisture content and less carbon, which means it produces less energy when it's heated. Whereas black coal, has more carbon, less ash, and less moisture, which means it has a higher energy content.

Josh: Where do we get black coal from?

Tommy: It all comes from the ground.

Josh: Yeah, but surely there's—

Derek: we've got—

Josh: there's a reason why we were doing brown. So in Victoria you can find brown coal.

Derek: The power stations are built next to where they— where the coal is, so they dig it out and burn it, right? Anyway, the point was they— that people go, yeah, yeah, yeah, but you still have to charge it up and that's brown coal. So I did the maths. I said, all right, if I— and unfortunately I did the maths on my Toyota van that I was driving at the time.

Josh: Not your Supra.

Derek: No, I didn't do that.

Tommy: Yeah, that maths.

Derek: No financial maths. And I did the maths and I went, right, oh my God. And it was like, okay, for me to commute in my van, it's 46 cubic metres of greenhouse emissions or something like that.

Josh: 46 cubic meters, something like that, for your van.

Derek: Yeah, just to commute to work and back, right? Something like that. Look it up. 97.

Josh: How is he looking? What do you want him to Google?

Derek: Yeah, it's just a joke. So then, then I calculated how much, you know, emissions would be on producing the electricity to charge my bike battery. Yeah. And it was like this much.

Josh: You're doing the same thing.

Tommy: I am doing like 20 centimetres by 20 centimetres cube.

Derek: Yeah, yeah.

Josh: That's how much carbon.

Derek: Yeah, it's interesting.

Josh: Then you've got, uh, battery stuff. Like, I wonder, um, like, how do you get rid of batteries? I wonder that. Like, Bree and I, like, replaced our Dyson vacuum battery and it's just sitting next to our bin because I don't know what it's lithium-ion.

Mason: Yes.

Derek: Yeah, you have to be careful with that. You can't just piff it.

Tommy: Why not?

Derek: I don't know, they can go on fire and stuff like that.

Mason: Batteries?

Derek: Yeah, lithium-ion batteries.

Mason: It's because there's battery acid in it, which is toxic.

Josh: So what do I do with it?

Mason: If you take it to Aldi, they've got battery recycling.

Derek: Big battery, take it to Officeworks.

Mason: Maybe Officeworks.

Josh: I feel like that's the classic answer, but do you actually know if they accept them? Mobile phones they do, right?

Mason: How big is the battery? What is it from?

Josh: A dice— you weren't listening. It was from a dice.

Tommy: You know what, so Boosted Board didn't have— so Boosted Board, the electric skateboard company that's from the United States, they couldn't release their boards in Australia or ship them here because they didn't have a, uh, disposable battery disposable plant. And so I'm sure Dyson vacuums have a battery disposable plan within Australia. So you can find out how you—

Josh: can you find out, 97, how to get rid of my V6 Dyson?

Tommy: They probably set up stations. I mean, like Harvey Norman.

Derek: I've got one from a laptop sitting on my— yeah, man.

Josh: What do you think of Harvey Norman, Derek?

Derek: I don't know what to— they can get fucked.

Josh: Why can they get fucked? What's up? There you go.

Derek: Okay, so I'm gonna— this is gonna take a little while. I've got a, um I'm in the process of experimenting with using PTZ cameras.

Josh: Yeah. Now, you know, you know what, hand tilt zoom cameras, security looking cameras. Yeah.

Derek: Because I don't have a 97. So the idea is my studio have a couple of those and they can zoom in on different guests and take the video, right? They can switch between them and move them around. And the main thing is they can zoom in so that with optical zoom, so you can get it full-res picture of someone without the camera being right in front of their face.

Tommy: Yeah, they're great. It worked perfectly.

Derek: I love them, right? So there's pro ones there for anything anywhere between $3,500 to $10,000 sort of thing per camera. Per camera.

Josh: What's the big company that does it? Is it Optics something?

Derek: There's PTZOptics.

Tommy: There's BirdDog.

Josh: Yeah, BirdDog.

Derek: BirdDog, I think, look like they're going to be the best ones.

Tommy: They're our homies from Collingwood.

Derek: Yeah, they're from Collingwood.

Josh: Have they come in yet or no? Your office, second time to show you or no?

Derek: I'll get to that.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: So first let me slam that.

Derek: Okay. We're right at the beginning of the story. So, so, so I, Logitech do one, they do two, they do one PTZ Pro, two Pro. I would suggest maybe taking that name off the box for a start and they're just USB. So it's like a web— they're for they're for conference calls, stuff like that. So people can just plug them into their laptop and off they go. But they have a little remote, but it was like when it was moving around, it was juddering and changing speed and it wouldn't stay focused.

Josh: Like someone took it to the beach.

Derek: It was shit. It was just shit straight out of the box.

Tommy: Yeah.

Derek: And I was pretty annoyed.

Tommy: And so this is from Harvey Norman.

Derek: Get this, Harvey Norman. This is— I said this to a salesman yesterday, right? Maybe I'll It's not fair because I'm not having a go at the store. I'm having a go at their online system.

Josh: Which store was it though?

Derek: It was in Preston, which I love. I've spent maybe $100 grand in there over the last few years.

Josh: Harvey Norman. $100 grand at Harvey Norman.

Derek: Well, everyone has. Preston's.

Josh: No, no, no, no, no.

Derek: Everyone's spent $100 grand in Preston.

Josh: I was wondering where the super went.

Derek: Over 12 years or something, you're going to get a fridge, you're going to get a computer. All my computers.

Tommy: Are you still paying it off?

Josh: How many screens have you got? How many screens? How many TV screens you got at home? No, just 4K TV every room, including the bathroom.

Derek: But it's just like, if you need, if you need a new fridge, then I just go in and get it from there. Right.

Josh: So you say, do you do like that?

Derek: I do.

Josh: What do you do for cash?

Derek: Like, I always bust their balls.

Tommy: Yeah. Okay. So you've got this salesman yesterday.

Derek: No, I said to him, this is my— I was trying to work out a clever thing to say, like a, a lot of meme, right?

Josh: Coming at you.

Derek: Okay.

Tommy: Yeah. Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself.

Derek: I said to him, I said, I imagined that Harvey Norman as an entity would take this online thing by the scruff of the neck and run with it and be the best and also have the showrooms and therefore just be the kings. But it looks to me like a bunch of dinosaurs that are running. You see the comet coming towards Earth and they're running going, let's watch it from Yellowstone Park. It'll be much better view there. It looks like you're running towards doom. 17 days to get an online purchase to leave out of the box.

Josh: Is that fine or big? How did you say this to the salesperson? Were you in store or?

Derek: Yeah, he was where you were.

Tommy: They were both on the recliner chairs.

Derek: I don't think I'm relaxed enough to be honest with you. No, I was just trying it out. I wasn't being aggressive.

Tommy: How old was this young bloke?

Derek: It was nothing to do with him. I just said, It just feels like—

Tommy: No, I get it. But I think that's going to resonate. Like, who are you talking to? A young person? It sounds like you're probably 35. So you're a young person. What are you fucking talking about?

Derek: But anyway, the point was I was frustrated that it took 17 days, 17 days for the item to arrive. Then I've spent a week toing and froing with Logitech. They can also get fucked, right? I spent a week talking to Logitech online and they were great. I've never had— it's like instant response. Chit chat, chit chat, fucked. And he's— and he's— I sent him a video.

Tommy: He just gave him a compliment and negged them. They were—

Derek: you missed the word— they were great. So this guy was great, he's helping me out, and he's going, nah, you're right, it's shit, it's fucked, right? It's, it's, it's no good. What he said, he said something like that, but he said, we're going to send— yeah, definitely, we'll fill in this form with the serial number off the unit and you name and address. We're going to send you a new one right away. Expedite was his word.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah.

Derek: Bam. I'm going, you beauty. That's nice to get some good, good service.

Josh: Because I spoke to you about it and you were pumped because you were saying that the idea was that you'd potentially be able to keep the shit unit so you could just keep that static and use it as a like 30% of its function in the corner as a second one.

Tommy: They're on to that.

Derek: That— no, they're not on to me. But he replied. He replied the next day going, oh, sorry, didn't realise you're in Australia.

Josh: Fuck off. Those exact words?

Derek: No, not those exact words.

Tommy: You're like my wife, tells me a story, tells me what she's thinking, not saying.

Derek: He said, he said, you're gonna have to take it back to where you bought it. So when— that's when Harvey Norman had to take the morning off to get to Harvey Norman.

Tommy: See, you're 35-year-old young bloke.

Derek: And half an hour later they said, nah, you have to to go away with it and deal with it online.

Tommy: Hang on, wait, so you couldn't get a refund?

Derek: Not in a store. They said, oh, we're different, we're franchised and we're—

Tommy: Hang on, so you bought it through Harvey Norman and they went—

Derek: Online, yeah.

Tommy: That's, I mean, that's not good.

Derek: It's not the worst thing ever.

Tommy: It's not the worst thing ever.

Josh: They took 17 days—

Derek: To deliver.

Josh: To deliver. And then you've fucking taken it. What do they want you to do? They're going to have to send you a box to put it in. Like you're not fucking paying for the mail to get it back.

Derek: It's not paying for the mail. It's walking to the fucking post office.

Tommy: No, I get it. I hate that.

Derek: I hate when people just go, just send it back.

Josh: Well, this is the problem.

Derek: I'm sorry, your scooter engine didn't work, send it back.

Josh: Well, this is—

Tommy: sorry, Mr. 97 put in a thing for our hard drive to get replaced. He went—

Mason: that was great, Samsung.

Tommy: No, but you went and bought a bag and then they sent it off in— but then they sent a bag.

Mason: Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: But so, so they were doing the right thing. You just preempted the bag not being delivered.

Josh: New Balance was doing a Black Friday sale yesterday and Bree said, um, Oh, you should order some shoes. And she's like, hang on, what happened to your last shoes? So my last shoes were broken. 97 back in March sent them back. Like they said, oh, we're going to, we'll do a like an exchange or whatever. He sent them back. But the thing was, it was, this is the one trick. I emailed them probably November, December last year. And so there was 4 months between me sending that email, them saying, yeah, send it in. And then 97 sent it.

Tommy: They've just got sent a smelly pair of shoes and they're like, who the fuck are these?

Mason: No, no, because we redid the return. So, you just got an email back from them saying, oh yeah, you got to send them in, make sure you, you know, apply for a return form. And so, we apply for one and we sent it back in.

Josh: And so, yeah, they— 97sent my shoes and I never got a replacement. I'm going to contact them.

Mason: It's a great idea.

Derek: So, you forgot.

Josh: I emailed them as well, though. Who forgot? They forgot.

Derek: Somebody forgot.

Josh: How does a company just forget?

Derek: No, but you forgot as well.

Josh: I didn't forget.

Tommy: They didn't say—

Derek: it's been bugging you since March.

Josh: They didn't say— yeah, well, the thing is, when do— there's no timeline on these things.

Derek: Yeah, yeah, true.

Josh: And so I'm like, oh, you know, April. Uh, maybe they, maybe they take 2 months.

Tommy: It's amazing you haven't had a pair of shoes since. Like, you, you've been walking around barefoot.

Josh: No, no, I've forgotten my classic, but I actually need—

Mason: but you know what, do you want New Balance now? Like, they're They're inferior to classics.

Tommy: Yeah. Free.

Derek: I've been looking at ASICS now.

Josh: They're so good. These are Kayanos.

Derek: I see the types of people that wear the ASICS. What type? They're kind of the trend, aren't they though? Really?

Tommy: The cool shoe? No, there's just a lot of people who've given up. I think that's what you're saying.

Derek: What?

Josh: I think they're very cool.

Tommy: On any sense of fashion.

Josh: I think it's good.

Tommy: Or your ability to like, Seinfeld.

Josh: Tell me one other person Who's—

Derek: oh, I don't know what that is. No, what's that? That's not an Asics.

Mason: Yeah, it's an Asics.

Derek: Oh, that's not how— that's not the cool one that I've been— oh, you mean Adidas? That's cool.

Tommy: No, no, yeah, Adidas is very cool.

Derek: They're very low, they're like, uh, athletic shoes.

Tommy: You mean Adidas have come in back in hard?

Josh: Don't ever mention Puma.

Mason: What's wrong with Puma?

Derek: What did they do to you?

Tommy: I don't know, Puma.

Josh: I haven't heard anyone mention Puma.

Derek: What about Kappa?

Tommy: Kappa making a comeback?

Josh: The only John Capper I know is John.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, Capper. The only Capper you know is John.

Josh: I fucked it.

Tommy: Yeah, because he said it straight up. All right, boys, uh, happy weekend banter. Derek, I love having you on the show. You're an exceptional human. We don't, um, we haven't done a moment of gratitude for Scooter Derek. Yeah, I think, um, what you're doing— when we first met you, you were in another field. I just love how you, um You just navigate your way. You're resourceful and you find ways to do shit. You're tech savvy, but at the same time you're like a great blend of old school, new school. You're an old school dude embracing new school hard, harder than others. I love it.

Derek: Wasted on young people, this shit.

Tommy: He appreciates the new school more than us.

Josh: Do you know he bought a G4 computer, like an Apple computer? That would have been— what year would that have been? 2003? '93 or '94?

Derek: '99, maybe.

Josh: Yeah, because no, but '99 he bought— so, you know, Casey Neistat talks about, yeah, I got my Final Cut Pro.

Tommy: Yeah, he pulls it down from the phone.

Josh: The same fucking year Derek was making videos for his local bowls club on— was it iMovie or Final Cut?

Derek: Whatever was on it.

Josh: I don't think I've never heard of it.

Derek: No, no, no, it was Final Cut Pro.

Tommy: Yeah, but then what impresses me most is In 1999. Ridiculous. The fact that he can also, he could build an engine from the ground up. Like, you're resourceful, like you're an old school man with the modern day man.

Josh: How important are pistons to a motor?

Derek: Well, without it, it wouldn't work. Yeah, because without nearly everything in a motor, it would work.

Josh: Because Tommy was saying the other day that—

Tommy: No, I'm saying it had nothing to do with the fucking story.

Josh: You thought automotive, the automotive class you were doing was dumb because I was talking about pistons and you thought thought it wasn't relevant.

Mason: The pistons are the ones that come up and down.

Tommy: Is that— did I even say that though? Did I say that they were talking about pistons?

Josh: Did he say that?

Tommy: Did I actually say they were talking about pistons?

Mason: Yeah, they were talking about pistons.

Josh: Can you bring up the— go into Otter and type in pistons?

Tommy: Yeah, but it's more—

Derek: if you're in a class and they're trying to teach you about basic maintenance of a car, then they could— I'd say 30 seconds on pistons would do it. Just to let you know what it is, just in case you're curious. You need lubricant.

Tommy: If you change a piston going up and down.

Derek: If you're working on a piston, you're at the very— you're in the guts of the engine.

Josh: You're not—

Tommy: so it's what's in there. It's got the oil all through it and it's going up and down.

Derek: A piston. Imagine this is your piston.

Tommy: So he's pointing the microphone. Yeah, microphone. That's Rode.

Derek: Rode.

Tommy: What's the name of it?

Josh: Procaster.

Tommy: Procaster mic.

Derek: Right. So what happens is you've got this that can move up and down. Right.

Tommy: We're taking this a bit— He's actually wanking.

Josh: Scooter Derek.

Tommy: I mean, you can use the coffee cup. Yeah.

Derek: All right. So that's your piston going up and down. That lives inside a cylinder.

Tommy: Yeah.

Derek: Right. And then on top is a cylinder head that bolts down. So when you push the piston up, it squashes.

Mason: What is it squashing?

Derek: Anything that's in there. Gas.

Tommy: What is in there? What's the point?

Derek: Ideally a mixture of air and petrol.

Tommy: Okay.

Josh: And so that creates fire. It—

Derek: no, it creates a massive amount of compression, which is optimum for fire. And then the spark plug, it pushes right up there. Remember, that's connected to a conrod, a connecting rod, which is kind of on a bit of a swinge.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So which actually is giving some—

Derek: getting traction up and down into a round motion.

Tommy: Right.

Derek: Which is what you want for the engine.

Josh: Yes.

Derek: Right. So the piston's at the top. The gases are squashed up like fuck, right? And then bam, the spark plug ignites that gas ball, and of course it pushes the piston down because there's a fucking explosion going on.

Josh: Is that why cars are loud?

Derek: Fast as— yeah, it's an explosion. That's what's coming out. That's what you would expect it to be. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. It's actually a fast burn rather than explosion, officially. Oh yeah, legally.

Josh: Why do you say that?

Derek: I don't know, because it is. It's actually in slow motion. It's a— the gases are being burnt, they're not exploding. So that pushes the piston down. In a normal— in a car, when that's coming down, there's another piston that's up here. And then— and that's my other hand up here for the listeners. And, and then that happens there and that pushes it down and they're all— there's no difference. And that just goes on and on and on. Well, it's spinning the wheel.

Josh: How much each piston doing one wheel?

Derek: The piston?

Tommy: No, the drive. Yeah, the drive.

Derek: The piston comes—

Mason: flywheel you have per car. So if you've got—

Josh: is that what a V8 is or a V6? Yeah, 6 pistons versus 8 pistons.

Derek: That's what it is.

Josh: Can you get a V12?

Tommy: Yes.

Derek: Jaguar do your V12. A lot of boats.

Josh: Um, what are you joking about, the pistons?

Derek: No, I just find it amazing just to talk this stuff because when I was your age, it was just like Nobody wouldn't know it.

Tommy: Does that make a special thing? Does a whipper snipper, like a whipper snipper engine has one?

Mason: One.

Tommy: Just going up and down.

Derek: Usually two-stroke.

Tommy: Two-stroke.

Mason: Which means you have to mix one part oil and one part petrol.

Derek: Yeah.

Mason: Yeah. Because you have to lubricate the motor.

Josh: Because there's only one. What is a stroke though?

Derek: All right. This is going to take some time, but a two-stroke motor means that the— it's very, very simple. When the piston comes down, it sucks the fuel in. Then when it go— and at the same time, the exhaust's going out, believe it or not, through holes in the cylinder. And then when it comes up, it traps the gases and does it all again. So it's one— so it's two strokes, down and up. That's the only two things that happen. Down lets the fuel in, gets the exhaust out, pushes up. Very simple.

Tommy: Yeah.

Derek: A four-stroke motor maybe came a bit later and, and it has valves in the top. So when the piston goes down, at the same time your cam— lumpy cam, you remember all the— you would have heard camshaft and all that. Your cam indicates when the valve opens to let the fuel in when it's going down. It's doing two things, and then it goes up, and as it goes up, another valve opens and lets the exhaust out. Then it comes down again lets the fuel in and then compresses. So there's 4 movements per explosion or burn.

Josh: So my i30, what would that be, 2 or 4?

Derek: I don't know what an i30 is.

Mason: You've got a V6.

Josh: But so does that— what does that mean in regards to strokes?

Derek: You've got 6 cylinders.

Josh: And so that's a—

Derek: all cars are 4-stroke.

Tommy: All cars are 4-stroke.

Josh: And that's based on— because you could have 6— could you have 6 cylinders that are 2-stroke? Are there V6 motorbikes?

Derek: I don't think so.

Tommy: Wait, so if the BMW—

Derek: 4-stroke, it's nothing to do with cylinders.

Mason: Why do you have to put oil in a 4-stroke engine?

Derek: 4-stroke engine runs the oil because the, the way the, the, the pistons don't have to, um, the piston rings, they're things that go around the piston that create a seal on the cylinder. They don't have to go past holes in a two-stroke. They have to slide past holes, which means friction. You lose the oil thing. So in a four-stroke, they have an oil ring. So it's just the oil that's in the engine gets pumped up and it's on and it gets sort of onto the piston ring and lubricates it without it being lost. It just, it just loosens that loose.

Tommy: And so what's a Tesla doing?

Derek: A two-stroke, you put the oil in it and it gets wasted and burnt.

Tommy: So what's a Tesla doing? Bypassing any any of that stuff and like direct to the—

Josh: what is an electric motor?

Tommy: Direct to the flywheel.

Derek: Well, electric motor, Chuck puts— this is great. Are we actually still filming? You guys want some water?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Derek: An electric motor, basically you're putting a charge into a magnet, right? So that— and then have a bit of metal. Putting it very, very simply, if a bit of metal is turning around and you've got electromagnet. So electromagnet is a magnet that's operated by putting electricity into it, and that electromagnet puts some juice into that so that this part of the thing turning around is attracted. So it turns that way.

Josh: It's almost like a—

Derek: when it gets to there, the magnet changes polarity and pushes it away.

Tommy: Ah, it's happening hundreds of times. It can get momentum.

Derek: So just, you turn it on and it just— there's just the magnetic force, it goes, whoa, fuck! And it's just this constant battle of trying to get away from the magnet.

Tommy: And so this is why they can get 1.8-second, 100 kilometers, 60 miles per hour, because it's direct, it's instant torque.

Derek: Torque from zero is the big talk, T-A-L-K, talk around electric motors. And that's the thrill.

Tommy: Instant torque.

Derek: So sorry, there's no something going down, up and needing to then fire and send because of gas speeds with, with, with motors, especially the two-stroke motors that I work on. All your, your real power. It's called power band. When you're kids, people go, oh, it's got power band, it's got a power band on it, and suddenly it gets quicker. That's because it's— two-stroke motors are all about the speed of the gas moving. Do you know, if you didn't have an exhaust pipe on a two-stroke motor, the exhaust comes out and so does the fuel down the exhaust pipe. Yeah, down the exhaust hole. So there's not enough fuel. But what happens is that exhaust pipe actually there's a shockwave of the last one that went off. So bam, the shockwave goes down the exhaust pipe, has a, has a reaction. It's designed scientifically so that the shockwave bounces off the back of the pipe, back down the pipe. This is a sound wave shockwave, right? Back down the pipe and pushes the fuel, tucks it back in just in time for the piston getting up there.

Tommy: That's great.

Derek: I know. So it's— so it's different.

Josh: What is a backfire?

Derek: Oh, that's when the, the fuel in the exhaust pipe— usually the fuel— there's fuel in the exhaust pipe that hasn't burnt and then it does.

Tommy: James, uh, Conspiracy Jimmy, has a Skyline R34 GTR V-spec and he can get that thing firing out the back. Like, you can get it shooting fire.

Derek: You want—

Josh: like, that's it? Oh, okay. Yeah, sure.

Tommy: It's— well, I don't know what's happening.

Derek: Yeah.

Tommy: Well, it's a result of the engine doing something.

Derek: The key bangers. When we were young, you could do a key banger.

Tommy: What's that?

Derek: Well, you're driving along like hammering and then you turn your key off and then put it back on.

Tommy: So you turn your key off and it's still in the old cars.

Derek: There's no EFI or anything. So the carburetor is still pumping fuel right through everything. Then you put it back on and if you're lucky, well, yeah. And then a year later you're sulking about having to buy a new exhaust pipe with all your doll money.

Josh: And so just quickly, the electric vehicle vehicles, the ability to go from, you know, 0 to 60, the speed— yeah, the speed— is that based on the size of the magnet?

Derek: Uh, well, the, the specs of the motor involve the size of the magnets, and not the size of the magnet, but how much power you put in, the amperage.

Mason: Is there a point where the magnet gets too big and it doesn't have much of an impact? Like there's going to be like a fine line, right?

Josh: I don't know anything.

Derek: I don't know the details of all this stuff.

Tommy: But in answer to your question, it's a faster process, which is why you can get that 0 to 100.

Derek: It doesn't rely on any particular rev range or gas.

Josh: So it's probably efficiency within the magnet. So potentially a smaller magnet with a higher electricity input or whatever could potentially make— I don't know anything.

Derek: The thing about progress is the progress of the petrol motor went a long way when they had EFI, electronic fuel injection. So instead of having a carburetor and just sending what you think it needs, one setting, and the EFI— what? And it ended up being very rude. But they have sensors and so everything became more and more efficient with the electric motors. It's a similar thing. The more electronic control and computer control you have over them, the more they can control when these magnets are turning on and off and, you know, and stuff like that. And they have that regenerative braking thing, so they reverse the polarity quickly when you put your brakes on and it acts as a generator.

Josh: What does traction control do?

Derek: That's something to do with cars. Yeah.

Josh: How many touring cars?

Derek: No, brakes. It's very quick brakes.

Josh: 97, the piston bit. Did he say piston?

Mason: Yeah. Do you want me to play it?

Tommy: No, I didn't say that. I didn't say piston.

Josh: Just don't get upset.

Mason: Do you want me to play it?

Tommy: Yeah, play it, play it, please.

Mason: Give it a second.

Tommy: Like, it was so loose.

Josh: So loose. That sounds like car stuff. Hey, how's your car? Is it completely written off?

Derek: It's gone, skis.

Tommy: Yeah. Oh, you've gone too far.

Derek: I had an Astra.

Tommy: Yeah, it was very zippy. Who was the guest that was on the show?

Josh: That was Adam and Simon.

Tommy: Oh yeah.

Josh: So what do you know about cars now?

Tommy: No, it wasn't even about cars. It was like tinkering with fucking— how do you take this piston out? Not even that. Like, it was so loose. So, okay, so, you know, I'll tell you exactly what I meant. We never worked on cars. We were never working on car engines. What you just said is, what is ABS? What do you say? Traction control? He says, I don't know about cars. We're talking about engines. There's engines that aren't associated with cars that have pistons.

Mason: What is it?

Tommy: So we were talking about Automotive class. You just got bogged down in the details. It's automotive class working on fucking lawn mower engines.

Josh: What is the difference?

Tommy: We had to try and put one back together or something else.

Derek: They always use lawn mower engines as a—

Josh: well, they're probably for shade, right?

Derek: Stuff.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: What was the toughest? Now it was a Vector. We're talking about Victor. Victor.

Mason: Victor.

Tommy: The Victor engines. That was a really tough Aussie, Aussie, Aussie engine. And so they were just putting those back together. The point was we've never I would have enjoyed it more if we're trying to work on cars and shit, but we're working on dumb little engines for nothing.

Josh: You go straight to 97, automotive, related to motor vehicles.

Mason: Pardon? Related to motor vehicles.

Tommy: Yeah, so they call it automotive. I'm not— it's not my fucking choice what they call the class. It was like automotive class.

Josh: Do you think that you would eventually get there?

Tommy: Like, maybe this guy was just an old Vietnam vet who was angry and just fucking teaching us bullshit.

Derek: Is this school?

Tommy: This was like a VCal program. They had to dumb it down for the VCAL kids. That's just—

Derek: tell me what VCAL means.

Tommy: I don't know.

Josh: Curricula Victorian Certificate of Applied Learning.

Tommy: Yeah, that was good hands-on stuff. But anyway, so do you know why I love coming on this show?

Derek: I had to tell you. I thought about this and I can't really remember. In the car, I went, I must tell them this.

Tommy: Oh yeah, right.

Derek: I love it because, you know, I do a lot of— I sit there and I I produce, engineer, and edit so many different podcast shows now that— and it's really hard to stay in the lane. Like, that's my mantra. Stay in your lane, Derek. Stay in your lane. You got someone there being interviewed. I like— they're being interviewed by someone in Sydney, like the Batute Advocate or Mummy Mia or something like that. And they're doing it and I'm just the engineer. I was like, you just always want to join in. It's like listening to your show in the car. Yeah, because in the car I'm okay because I just can shout at you. "Oh, you dickhead, Tommy." It's not spelt like that.

Josh: Yeah, it's great.

Derek: That's not how you pronounce it.

Tommy: If you didn't stuff up, you don't have feedback. Yeah, because people are just like—

Derek: But I love it. But when I'm sitting there engineering with headphones on, being very, very quiet, sometimes it's frustrating. I always want to join in.

Tommy: Yeah.

Derek: So when I come on here, I get the chance to have a good yap.

Josh: Yeah, we should definitely get it one day. I want it set up so we have a live stream and you could be listening on your phone and then you just— there's a Derek phone and you call in and you say, hey guys, you know, how you talking about that?

Tommy: There'll be some app.

Derek: That's my dream, to have an app that allows you to instantly interact with these. Yeah, yeah, you probably use WhatsApp or text message or phone calls. Phone calls.

Josh: Or, um, you can do it right now, FaceTime.

Derek: When you get that crazy button that says— when you watch a live stream, it says, do you want to ask if you can join? I always find it. Do you have to say no every time, or do you just say—

Mason: a little request pops up, but you We just ignore it.

Josh: So the reason why we ignore it is because we can't— we, we don't feed the audio from the, uh, we can't feed it back. Yeah, yeah. So I know if we could hear you—

Derek: I don't do it anyway.

Tommy: No, I do it sometimes just to see if I get a shout out. Oh, Tommy's trying to get in.

Josh: Yeah, definitely.

Tommy: Sorry, mate.

Josh: Actually, I had— there was a moment, uh, yesterday I was on a live— like, someone was doing a live stream. Random, random. It was actually someone who started following us first, right? Then they'd unfollowed us, but the Daily Talk Show had still followed him, and he was doing a live stream, and the Daily Talk Show was the only person. And so I, like, I was gonna— my instinct is just to leave it straight away.

Derek: So awkward, isn't it?

Josh: I was like, you know what, I'm just gonna keep it on. And so he ended up like, oh, hey guys, and like waved to the Daily Talk Show because we're the only ones there. It's that weird thing where it's like, oh, hey guys, this is what I'm working on right now. It's like talking, but it's Just you and just one.

Tommy: Yeah, they FaceTime each other.

Derek: I've done that a few times where I just put it on quiet and put the phone down and leave it watching because you don't want to hurt anyone because it goes down to zero, then they know who left. Or someone's like, if so, if someone's— if there's a family you know of, and this has happened, right? But if there's a family you know of, what does that mean? And one of their kids, one of their kids, it says, oh, they're doing a live stream, right? Teenagers. Then you go, I better have a look because they might be streaming the Barbie and that's my— they're my friends. And then suddenly you— it's on their phone, it says, you know, Uncle Derek's watching your pillow fight.

Tommy: But, you know, sometimes if I'm early in, I don't— I get straight out because I'm worried. It's like, because they see it. Ah yeah, Tommy's doing—

Derek: fuck, there's got to be a preview. That's the next thing. It's a bit invasive. You can't have it.

Tommy: Yeah, it's like 5 seconds.

Mason: Hold on it, you know, like a long— you know when you long press an image on Instagram, it comes up with like a little preview?

Tommy: Oh yeah, you can see it.

Mason: You can do that. And so it doesn't actually register, but you get like a— however long you hold it. No, I guess that's a feature. Oh, you want that?

Tommy: Yeah, you want it. I thought it was a great feature.

Derek: We need a way of knowing when you guys are going live because I want to see every live thing you do.

Josh: Really?

Derek: Yeah, except I can't because I don't know when it is.

Josh: You got to go hard abnormal.

Derek: Is there a system of like, yeah, push notifications?

Josh: Yeah, definitely.

Tommy: You can turn the bell on.

Josh: Do you have push notifications on Insta? Surely you could.

Derek: You could.

Josh: So you get told when we're streaming?

Derek: It doesn't tell me.

Tommy: Okay, so you should get the bell. You can probably press like an alerts button on YouTube. Definitely on something. Um, thanks for watching. Thanks for watching or listening if you have been. Um, if you're listening to my voice, you were listening or watching. Yeah, either one. You can't really You can't get out of that.

Josh: So whilst Derek is in Easy Street making podcasts, what we do every day, we're based in Abbotsford here in Ferguson Street. We make videos. And so if you want a video, hi@thedailytalkshow.com.

Tommy: If you've got value out of this show, we don't ask for much ever. And all we ask is that if you need a video, we're your guys.

Josh: Bar mitzvahs, weddings.

Tommy: No, we haven't been asked to do those.

Josh: We've sort of moved on from that.

Tommy: I think that was 10 years ago.

Derek: They are good. God, these guys are good video makers.

Josh: Oh, thank you.

Derek: I think they're great. Beautiful.

Josh: Uh, it's a Daily Talk Show, uh, Apple Podcast too. You can leave us a review there. We've got 180 reviews. That's exciting. Uh, 97. Maybe tomorrow we can read out one.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: All right, see you tomorrow, guys.

Tommy: See you guys.