#530 – Lisa Stephenson On Habits & Challenging Your Beliefs/
- November 28, 2019
Lisa Stephenson is back! Lisa is a global speaker, success coach, facilitator, MC, author and CEO of a global, Australian-based consulting firm. We chat about challenging your habitual thoughts and beliefs, why change is so difficult, and the importance of having a plan.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
– Coping mechanisms
– Stillness and everyday habits
– The importance of having a plan
– Getting back to basic skills
– Habitual living
– Why change is hard
– Challenging beliefs and thoughts
– Learnings from writing a book
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It's the daily Talk Show Episode 530. Back on the podcast, Lisa Stephenson. Yes, I'm back. How are you? I'm sorry. Good. Yeah. 98 was the last episode you were on. Like when we we travelled down to your place in mornington. Geez, there was no cameras. There was no Mr. 97. But actually, I'm glad that
we had we didn't have to have clothes on or any Well, there was a lot of to ice. vividly remember that chat? Because we ended up talking about like, sitting in the shower cry like it was. Oh, I remember
bringing that up. Yeah. You can listen to it if you want. Yeah, it was fun. Actually. Sorry. That's like a long time ago. Really? Have you got better? I
know, but we haven't.
Having a good time.
Doing great. You're doing really great.
Thank you. Hey, I mean, the the 10,000 rule 10,000 hour rule when we're nowhere near 10,000 hours, but I mean, it's like you you've been coaching for many, many years. Two years into your journey. What was? What was your? Because you asked us, how are we going? And we were just joking around. I think we're going okay. Yeah, I think we got lots of room for improvement. I think we're pretty hard on ourselves in terms of where we want to be. So we don't we look back at 500 episodes. And it's only until we create some highlights video that we even realise how much we've done because we're so focused on where we go, a guy has that for you. I mean, you work in this space of helping people through that kind of stuff. Yeah. What is it for you personally? Yeah. So when I look back sort of 1015 years ago, and think about the pain was coaching, I wonder if they're okay.
I'm okay. Well, I think Yeah, yeah. Well, I did personal training with you.
Based on this shit, you're spinning them.
It's it's an interesting thing to think about because we do if we're doing what women to be doing well, and current research tells us we need to be spending about five hours a week, just to stay current and to be developing our talent, right? And so if we're doing that, and we're evolving, it should mean we're better than we were yesterday. And we're better than we were a year ago. So certainly, when I look back over, you know, I mean, clearly, it'll surprise you that I'm this old but when I look back at 20 years of consulting and coaching and mentoring, you do kind of cringe a bit on the inside. And hopefully I'll still feel that about now. You know, and enough attendees because we do learn so much every day. Are we in some kind of like, what's that little animal that has a really hard back? It's like,
they look at you look at
a deal. It's like Do we have an
armadillo shield on in the time to not feel that external
eyes on us that's actually saying you're actually not as good or like it's not like seven a kidnap could work as well. Yeah, maybe but if
you think about you in 10 years thinking about you now and you saying,
I'm nowhere near where I was now, so you kind of cringe I do the same. How do we how do you think people are coping through these times when they're just starting? Or what is a coping mechanism to get through that early stage of doing anything? Yeah. So there's a few things that we should be really mindful of. One thing that I've really noticed because I coach very much in that space of high performance is a trait of people who are absolutely wanting to be the very best version of themselves, I really hard on themselves. So when I sit down to start a coaching session, the first thing people want to do is talk to me about what's not working, you know, and they very self critical and
first people to kind of gather evidence about what they need to be doing better. And so it's really challenging for people when I say, tell me about what's working really well, you know, where we end up with this kind of culture, I think in Australia where we end up with well developed weaknesses, because we spend a lot of time talking about improving ourselves and areas for development. And we do not spend enough time talking and thinking about what we're doing really well. And it makes sense, right, that the stuff that we're doing really well is the stuff we enjoy more. Yeah, sorry for you guys. You know, I'd say When did you last have a really great meaningful conversation about what you're absolutely smashing out of the park, you know, what's going really, really well in business and for your audience.
It feels like, it feels like a luxury right when you
It feels like that's another pain point that needs to be addressed. So for instance, if you've got a car and one tire is flat
You don't need to focus on anything else other than the flat tire because the idea is if I get the flat tire working, everything's gonna be fine. I everything away, I can get to where I need to go through. But with development, you know, going back to the armadillo area, I can't quite believe we got that word in early.
But we do.
sound very attractive.
beautiful hair. Yeah. Aggressive, aggressive.
Yeah. So, you know, we do develop this outer exterior that is about what we want to project to the world, and how we want people to see us and what we know is that current trends are telling us that we expect and want to save
vulnerability. And authenticity is something that we talk about. But how many people are actually really good at that? You know, it gets so lost in all the noise of everything that we're trying to be. What about asking for help? Was was, it's, it's I mean, it's part of our culture that we're meant to talk about the three things we're meant to know, we're meant to be right. We're meant to look good. And so there's something about an a disability that we have to say actually, what if I don't know the answers? And what if I'm the person who's asking questions that I don't know the answers to? And what role do I have to play with others in terms of learning, like we miss a lot when we're so worried about having to know, I think maybe part of it too, is being in a period of needing to ask for help at the moment, part of the challenges because we've been pretending to know and so when you been pretending to know, it becomes a lot harder because you have to address the fact that you didn't know before.
Yeah. And also, have you noticed how busy we all are, you know, the pace at which we are working and churning out everything in our life is so fast. So we just keep going, you know, we just keep going and we get up each day. And I mean to be busy. I mean, we we understand now we've had this conversation. You know, everyone understands that being busy is not good for us, it doesn't mean that we're great at what we're doing or that we're talented. In fact, there's real consequences for how busy we are, but I don't think we've quite seen yet. You know, it's because I guess the there is that idea of if if I'm doing if I've got the option of doing something or nothing, I better I'm better off doing something. How do we distinguish between the moments that we need? We had Stacy June on Yes. And she was talking about space. We need space need to create space. When when do we need space? And when do we actually need to get our shit together? How do we create that distinction? Yeah, we need
stillness every day, you know, we talk a lot about being healthy and physical activity and learning and having great plans for our future. But actually, our brains got to have time to process and our bodies got to have time to heal. So even now, when we say people sitting on trains and out exercising, you know, hopefully they're just listening to you, but you know, where sorrowful like, people tell me about how they are listening to stuff even when they're in the shower. I'm like, really, that's a visual, I didn't quite know that, okay. And so it's, it's got to be part of our everyday habits. We've got to have an everyday habit that says,
You know, I have 20 minutes of window time a day, which is where I just need space to kind of look and enjoy whatever view it might be a cafe, it might be sitting in my office, but we've got to have times where we stop and also reflection, you know, reflection, there's something about giving yourself time to decide what makes
You want to give the experiences that you're having time to assess what's working and not working for you. And also making sure that you have time for staff that's opportunistic, you know, when we get so scheduled that we can miss stuff that we really need to have. How do you create stillness? So this this is actually a challenge for me like I talk about this because it's a challenge that I work on as well. You know, I'm a single full time working mom with three children. Like Firstly, what was I thinking? But you know, so life is really full and busy, but I do you have some non negotiables and they might be simple things like whether it's going for a massage, walking is really important to me. It's quite sacred to have that time each morning where I walk. I don't ever start my day without meditating. And I don't mean this one, you know, the clients little fingertips and
Yeah, so there's lots of things we can do that don't take time or money but allow us that space to actually process Have you guys heard of strange conscious writing? No I can so it's like The Artist's Way it's taking a notepad and writing whatever comes to mind the garbage in content it just whatever comes Yeah, yeah. It's good. Man was into it and I'm it's a famous old book the artists why and so they have a bunch of
things to do to untapped creativity but that I I did that for a long time and I didn't time to arrows hot where I was going through something hard and it was, it was great. Like just getting it out. It's been this so much crap. Like when you start writing, it's like some of its just the most garbage but the point is not to judge what's coming at it. You don't even have to show it to anyone. Yeah, but there's something really good for us and healthy for us about taking the time to just sit and Bay and pick up
pen you can talk as well. But literally just writing what's on your mind. And sometimes it allows you to let stuff go. There's a whole lot of really fascinating research about what happens when we right before we go to sleep. You know, I like what app Brian can actually do with that content. So there's a whole lot of strategies, you know, Josh, around how we look after ourselves and take that space and time. Sorry, you go. Well, now you got Okay. Thank you. All right, we're just having a bit of a turn off.
tussle the high performance, people who are in late, high up leadership roles within businesses that are very goal driven, outcome focused. How do you convince them when these things don't necessarily have an outcome on the other side that is tangible for many years, or it could be months or could be a few sessions, but what about if it's intangible Yeah.
result is integrity can't say it. Yeah, yeah. So the challenge with people who are in massive jobs, and that might be a car, or it can be someone who's an elite athlete, you know, his day starts at 5am is getting them to understand the consequences of not taking care of themselves, and also the consequences for people around them. So, you know, if you've got a marriage or a primary relationship, or you're a parent, or perhaps you're involved in your community, making sure that you have the priority and giving the time to the stuff that really matters, is going to give back to you in so many ways. So I think this is a real challenge, then, excuse me, but particularly latest face is they all feel time, Paul, you know, none of them is sitting around going, I'm bored. What will I do today, there's there's lots of different things that they're managing. But if you don't write it down, if you don't commit to it, if you don't make it part of your plan, it won't happen. So I normally will sit down with the people that I'm working with at the beginning of the year, and
We actually make it something quite measurable. You know, I get very specific with him about how much time you're going to allocate to these. What does it look like on a daily basis? How will we know if it's working? And it's evolving your plan, you know, because things change sorry, having a coach or a mentor or a trusted advisor, someone that you can actually have a conversation with to say, you know, Hey, how's it going? Is it feels like this. Like, we know what we need to do, like it feels like in 2019 when there's so many podcasts, so many books, it's become popular culture to know, around meditation around journaling around sleep like this. You can go through the list of everything we need to be doing. So then I guess it becomes a question of prioritisation or starting, what is the single thing that you've found that if people do this one thing, they start with this one thing? It will then trickle down to the other things? Yeah, that's that's a really great
Question. It's having a plan. It's having a plan. I think most of us are going along to get along. Yeah. And we're being busy. And I can't tell you the impact of sitting down and actually writing a plan, working out what your commitments are daily, weekly, monthly, and evolving that. And it should be this living, breathing document that reflects the things that are most important to you. Success doesn't happen accidentally, and neither does happiness. So if we don't get quite deliberate about how we're going to look after ourselves around what success is going to mean for us, it actually won't happen. And just, you know, on that point, Josh about, we kind of know, we do know, right, like, we've never had access to as much information and inspiration as we have right now. Like I'm fascinated by that. Eat more plants. Yeah, like, Is there anyone that doesn't know?
bodies cake. What? Why is it that we have so many mental health issues and we have so much unhappiness and you know, we've got the World Health Organisation talking about, you know that burnout is a really significant factor that's costing us a lot of money now, and we haven't even seen the real consequences of that yet. So, so yeah, we know, we do know what we're meant to be doing, but we're actually not doing it. Because we don't know what the future holds. Like it like a part of me is like, I don't know, in it on like a more global scale. So global turmoil. If we say what happened with the banks or any industry where like, actually, we don't know if any of these things are going to exist. We don't know if this like clients are going to exist. Does that mean that we exist like,
structures? Yes. What is the freelance economy main,
you know, the stuff that as a mom of three I sort of, I'm quite interested in the things that my children might be going to
Study, will that be a thing? Is that an industry? Is that a job that it will exist? The transferable skills that we need to learn now, I was reading an article about this recently, you know that around, I'm sort of making up the numbers 40 or 42% of the skills that we have now, white necessarily serve us in being successful in five years time. And so, you know, there is all of this uncertainty and there's this really fast pace, and there's lots and lots of change that's happening. But do you want to hear my prediction? Yes, please. Because clearly, I'm an expert in predictions tonight.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Hashtag futurist is I think that where we're sitting right now in a place of saying, We've actually got to get back to basics. You know, we've, my I actually think part of what will we will be working with, with our clients over the next couple of years is going to be things like communication and having healthy relationship.
shapes, you know, we've got so great at our, the way that we can access people all around the world in a really instant, immediate kind of way. But there's some things here that are kind of screaming out at us, like our environment, you know, and if you look at the next generation of kids lock, hop, right, and I, you know, sorry, I also don't like calling being on the phone.
I think we are we are we falling into the trap of trading ourselves like computers. So I guess we spend so much time within technology and you press a button and the thing does the thing. Is there I guess. Yeah. How do we deal with that within management, which is like, it's actually us communicating say, hey, do this thing. It doesn't actually just sort of trigger all these things and nothing happens. You might get back. It's like, the person hasn't done that thing they misinterpreted Yeah, yeah.
We're losing some stuff as part of that process like trust. Yeah, you know, when we're having interactions, and it's very mechanical, or it's about a process, we're losing the experience, and we're losing some of the learning. So, you know, my, one of my real passions at the moment is talking to people about where are they actually getting their learning from? Where are they getting the inspiration from? How many conversations have they had recently that have really triggered some different thinking for them? So I think, you know, if we look at AI, and you know, your head can hurt thinking about all of the change that's going to heat us in the next five years. You and I were having an embarrassing conversation a few minutes ago, before we started recording about, you know, there was no school least when I finished school, and there was also no mobile mobile phones.
You know, and sorry, everything's happening really, really fast. But there's something really instinctive in May saying, at some point, it's open a break up. I'm like, another
We need to get back to caring deeply about our purpose and caring deeply about the environment that we live in. And the connection pace with the people around us and the leaders that are making decisions about the world that we live in. You know, I mean, you mentioned the banks earlier, you know, integrity and you can't get back from the machine. Yeah. The can, I guess, connections, there was that idea to have
connecting with one another, but also understanding ourselves and sort of it feels like I don't know if it's because I'm a year off being 30. But there is that sense of like,
you said, asking those questions of Who am I? Who am I? Who am I am and also like the the broader thing is, like, how many of the things do I think based on my previous experience and what I've been programmed based on culture. And so when all of that comes up in the air where it's like, okay the operating system in which I exist, is in question.
How do we reconcile our internal operating system to then be able to communicate better with others early on early onset? midlife crisis? Is that what's happening now? I think everyone's I think everyone's having their midlife crisis maybe earlier. Well, maybe I actually take some solace in the fact that everybody's struggling, because I think about like me and my struggles, right? You got
James, you, young son who? struggles? Yeah, should we have struggles? maybe not maybe should I have struggles? Maybe? Maybe not. We, we, we've all I mean, you know, you know, I spend my day sitting and talking with people. You know, that's what a coach does is we reflect back what we're hearing and we're asking questions, and we're helping people to kind of work out what their thinking is and what their plan is, and I'll believe me, we've all got our stuff like there is nothing. I don't think there's two ways you can take this as a challenge, but I don't think there's too much I haven't heard
You know, I think everyone's trying to find a why. There's not too many people you mate who go, I've got it sorted. Yeah. And we probably wouldn't lock them for it.
And what's the the cultural response when someone says, Hey, you going good? yet so I
am I like, know which one we say then you making a split second decision about what should I share with you based on what I mean, I don't even think like that. I'm just like, it's also on gratitude. Like, I think that part of it is because we're told that we need to feel like you need to feel good, you should be grateful. And so anything other than being good, is dismissed. Like as things are good, like, you can always change perspective and saying, you know, this specific thing
isn't good. But I woke up today and everything you know, us, of course, but if we think about, you know, you'll point around the internal operating system that are he's asking the question
Who am I? And, you know, it all kind of comes on to the self awareness pace, right? Like, how self aware are we? What is the experience that we create for the people around us? And I think it's and I have this conversation with clients often, you know, how many how many of your beliefs are yours? You know, like, what the stuff that's in your head, and the map that you use to navigate the world and the values that you have? Where if they come from and how many of those have you consciously chosen? So, you know, your parents, your teachers, social media, there's a whole lot of things that play a role in determining what goes in here, but how often do we sit down and go Hmm, you know, I as a as a mom to an 18 year old who's just gone off to schoolies and you're having a conversation around right? You know, what, what is it that I most want him to remember to value to understand, you know, to take away with him wanted to be you know, the parent that
was was and, and and also cool. I wanted to be cool. I did not master that. But I tried. And you know, you hear yourself saying the things that your parents said and you kind of go well hang on. Is that how I want to parent? Yeah, and you know, sorry if we're if we're having about 60,000 thoughts a day do you have more or less than 120? Yeah.
My sleep when you gotta have lunch Yeah. Well finding out with Yeah, what's free on overeats like delivery
Carousel of what's free right now we get it. cost me now you spend on average for an hour but not as much as Brendan for Vala that adamance I'm saying that he spent much was at 60 he's a top spender. I remember reading something saying 3035 35,000 in six months. Yes. $6,000.
Is this like a thing you
don't know it's not a competition
it's cold I can come down when Josh has got some smelling food that smells amazing I can dance and what does the modern day man hundred and gather today? Parma that seemed like it was it like a proper Is it a pizza box bro yeah
yeah it was and I was like I put it on your flight Can we just yeah what yeah what was the point of the
know how much I think about like what I'm thinking about I'm sorry what no so did the river rate tab there's a section
there's a section that says like free delivery right now and yet four minutes and you have to order that thing in four minutes and then it reset it's gamified it it's a complete yes I didn't know about these not I must say I'm not you're actually
so I can tell you what we can get right this is gonna be my learning today. Yeah, we talk about
have a look here. Okay. So free delivery promotion right now we have four minutes and 53 seconds to order either on it burger. Bill be gals fried. Fried chicken, not many options for 1040 and so then I can Yeah, I'm sort of I'll leave it if I start at about 11 or whenever we finish this I'll start refreshing. And when it gets to something feels like a meal because they eat fried. Fried chicken and burgers don't feel like it.
Yeah, do you see this pathetic? No, no, I say this look, I need to wait.
One thing that I am wanting to get into, which I mentioned already is on a previous episode is do phrase much much food.
Not a lot nice and so on. I've never been much of a person to phrase food but
I saw a great recipe, which is like frozen breakfast burrito. So you make them in bulk. You put them in foil, and then you get a sandwich.
a sandwich press. Yeah. And then you cook it with that. And because I have a theory that potentially some of these places where I get my burritos from, I have a feeling they probably just doing that exact thing.
Fresh is definitely fresh. Well, I know that mapping out with the ingredients, you can have the mix for the burrito across a couple of days, but it's not free. So let's look at the
60,000 thought you might be having 100 not 120. But so on this Tommy, you know, if we think about the example that we've just seen firsthand, we're having about 60,000 thoughts today. And the research tells us that 95% of those thoughts are habitual, not contain yourself. I thought you're gonna say
well, it may actually be hot
accent Mark Yeah, but in the context of this conversation and even your Ebates exam, what we do is we get out my stays and we think the same things and we do the same things. We're actually really really habitual and so when we think about talent and hot performance and you know our hashtag living my best life this is actually where the opportunities you know, how often do we have brand new thinking and how often do we deliberately create opportunities for us so when we can I mean, what would be living on the edge for you today? Would it be not ordering over aids or ordering? Yeah, to be honest, it would be going to the plate because sometimes operates when it's like 600 metres on a burger 30% off through my app, and I can just walk down so I think what like going into the place yeah, amazing experience potentially eating in or whatever, but just Definitely not.
Yeah, so you're going is the goal to to consciously break the habit? So it could be our go to a new cafe this morning? Yeah, that's
didn't have a conversation with a different person or it can be you know we have we've all heard the story of you know Tron rot with the different handle. Do you know you even shower in the same Why now? I don't want to know what you boys do
cold showers the last two days and rice I connected it with the breathing technique that we learned off our friend Matt net which is
in the media so I have the coat No, because it's like the Wim Hof thing like I'm combining only cold standing up. If you pass out, you're going to smash your head. That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Well, I did it lying down, dude, you lie down. So I do that and I felt very direct. I'm sorry.
I've been banging his head and then I wanna but I'm actually
definitely get you a top
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yeah did you watch this?
I still George Clooney did you say? Yeah Yeah Really? Yeah Mr. George's got better looking. Yeah, that one off i mean it's it's
a yes to George. Yeah. Kiss George. Yes attend for George.
cookies. Yeah, he seems like a nice guy. Yeah.
What do you just but nothing really
good stuff do you know who is actually really nice guy Tom Hanks. Oh, that went down a rabbit
Whole love watching there was a New York Times article and then I watched all these YouTube videos of him yes in the interview he say the one where the woman was getting married in Central Park in New York and he stopped and took photos and when he's got a rule anytime there's a phone he sees someone's phone he picks it up and does a selfie
it doesn't it
doesn't have much as much cutthroat you know Tom has
this annoying yes actually makes you a stalker.
Yeah, he you know how he played Sally. Who's the guy landed the plane on the Hudson pilot. Yeah, the pilot.
So the real Sally was sort of talking about something I guy came up to and said my I didn't really like you in that movie. Like he was the he was talking to Sally the finish.
It was humans a very confusing What do you even write a
All over it. So anyway, I think I think what was hiking from this conversation is really a learning lesson for you today, Josh about, we need to get you creating some new experiences for you. So that's your challenge. Yeah. Yeah. What's What's one that you've recently done that you've seen a huge impact? Well, it's one that I've seen recently.
I say them all the time, because this is what coaching people is, it's, I actually had a conversation with someone this morning where I said, you know, if you are going to be brave, you know, what would be the scariest thing that you could do for yourself?
And her response to that would was to get strong and healthy. And I was like, wow, why would Why is it brave to be strong and healthy? You know, tell me about that. I got a message from someone on the way here who has been wanting to write a book for 10 years and to say that out loud and make a commitment. You know, I requires
A mindset and then some accountability but it can be really small things as well you know it can be sitting in you know cuantas Club not getting your laptop out and looking like you're open to conversation actually that could be a different thing let me
but what I'm fascinated by beliefs that is shifting so
I'm thinking for myself like I think about when I was a stripper and I just come off the back when I met you have
a really clear I did not meet Tommy
self development weekend away with cry Haha, it was so stupid.
What I built, I think about pretty hot it's kind of hard to take stock a year shifting beliefs. But one thing that I've shifted is the thinking about people in that space and it's purely based on new
My experience being that. So being in the adult industry in this Sophie judgement.
I mean, I guess we're all looking at it, basing it on our past experiences, but I'm like, how positive is that? And what's the, even if you find a good outcome being in that space, it's still not even that great. And so I'm just trying to work out my thinking around that. And, you know, people doing that shit now is so different to what I had when I was doing it, you know, made it all makes sense. For me. This is actually why change is really hard. Look at the fundamental basic level changes hard is because we have these random thoughts. When we have a thought six times it becomes a belief and our brain creates that pathway, right? And then the job of our brain is to make those beliefs right. So we're looking for evidence to make ourselves right all the time. So you know, I have conversations with clients where I'll say, you know, when was the last
Tommy sat down and write out what are the beliefs I have that no longer serve me? You know, what are the beliefs I have that are going to support me in being amazeballs next year? What are the beliefs I have that I actually am not even sure I agree with anymore. So you know, we spring planet spring spring clean our house, we get a personal trainer to improve our body we say nutritionist to make sure that we're eating good food. But what's our commitment to cleaning out our brain and making sure that our brain is really healthy? And you know, the the research tells us that currently we're having this 60,000 thoughts about 95% of them are habitual, and about 80% of those thoughts and negative. Like let's just obey quite depressed about that. So what that means is we're boring, habitual and negative.
But this is, you know, for me as a coach, this is what potentially is, you know,
Wait, there's so much for us to still learn and evolve. And can you can you think about a time or give me an example when you had a brand new thought for the first time? Like when did you last have a brand new thought and go on?
Yeah, I mean, for me it was watching that game changes, Doc. Oh, and then going vegetarian, but that was a had that thought. And then four weeks later, I'm like, it was a while I realised you become vegetarian for four weeks. Right. And so then I was like, so I was telling coming.
I tried it. I tried it for a bit. Yeah, it was Yeah, it was one of those ones where it's like, I'm going to challenge this trying to be detached of my previous the way that was previously joining me for Yep. But the thing is that it's what Tommy and I were talking about is it's not addressing like cancelling out and that thing isn't actually addressing the thing. And so I guess that's, that's one of the especially for people who have that sort of
disordered eating or whatever is hops talked about, yeah, these all be kept like, these are all different versions of that. Yeah, they're all at their core obsession around how you age, erasing, and the feelings that we associate with. And even if we do think we had a new thought, is it though? You know, like, Jesse came in this morning, you've been listening to something that had sparked something.
And it resurfaced. ideas and yeah, and being able to reframe it will have clarity on it or inspire it.
Because I guess it's that whole like, knowing isn't doing and we always constantly have these thoughts around I think it's this or that. And then it's only when you have a conversation with someone and then there's maybe a misinterpretation. We like our mate, I'm not being clear. I'm not actually doing the thing that I think that I'm doing Yes. Or we need to do a better job of communicating what what we believe and what we're trying to do. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of
counter information on everything. So it's if we're looking at these things as truth as as multiple. And so you take example in motivational quotes, so
build it and they will come or something like that all the harder you work the luckier you get. is are these true? Maybe for some they really resonate. And so that's why when you find a quote that resonates, yeah, that knows me. Yeah, you just get myself in fact, which I do. Yeah, yeah, well, shall we? let's dissect a let's find an opposite of a motivational quote. What's one that you like? And then let's see if there is another side and explore that. Have you got one that comes to mind? Ah, one that I really like at the moment is you've got everything you need, but it will take everything you've got it.
You've got everything you need, so wrong.
subjective having that you've got
Everything you need. Well, you know how you said sometimes you read something and it really talks to you, right? Yeah, yeah, you've got ya. Got me. He's a reframe. You don't have everything you need. And that's okay.
Like so it's a detachment of I don't have my favourite night
you can do that with anything. Yeah, even think about like, the grass is always greener on the other side. Right I have an issue with that quote because it because what it's setting up it's so sort of what you were talking before TJ about
knowing that everyone else is fact and being okay with that. And the problem I have with the grass is always growing on the other side is it's predicated on the idea that everyone else is going through shit and that is what should make me happy. I feel better. I mean that my thinking is the opposite of the grass is always greener on the other side. The guy over the side fence. He's got a shit, too. Yeah.
Yeah, but the grass is always greener on the other side is that it?
It's all looking rosy and looks like it looks good. So you're saying into the other fit, like, you jump on the fence. It's great. He's watering, but he's severely depressed. Yeah, the thing is, maybe I get like one of the reframing It was like, check on him by the way. Maybe they, maybe they, maybe they grew grasses, grain, because they're watering it and they need to do exactly what they need to do. And so all we have is what we can do. And the inner work that, you know, that's available to us. And yeah, it I guess it's not always greener in the raw and also people can make things look a particular way to us. And I think you know, also what I'm hearing Tommy is it's really hard to have an original thought. You know, I like it's really hard to come up with something that's just yours, you know, because we do collect and, and I actually think that's awesome. I think we should steal stuff and we should note the things that we see and hear other people do you know when we hear a quote that we love, I think it's great
To put your own spin on it, unless you're a Melbourne based children's book writer than on the back cover, it said, I've got 99 problems, but my ABC ain't one. And they got sued by Jay Z just recently.
Still Jay Z, she
was still mine.
Mine Mine Mine. I yeah, I mean,
in the video space, I've seen people doing carbon copy style videos of other ones I've said it's like they just identical and they work. And you can easily be like this, and creative like she kickers just ripped off somebody. But then the other way is that it's actually it's a tested method and it works in the object your own personality. And so I did the work. I had to go and hide the camera feel more right write the script to study it. You know, I like this something about doing the work yourself. And so this effort
I've put in that. I mean, this is just like keep, like, sitting behind the keyboard so easy and it's also a projection, projecting our own feelings around like, what are you doing differently who I like then it comes down to identity. But everyone like if you think about it, you need to
before you can actually create your own style, you need to pick out like if you think about like, I think that all the videos I made as a kid that were all parodies, it was all like all of the adventure ventures the panel, recreating all of this stuff with the idea of like, okay, you emulate and then you like get going and then you find your own thing like why recreate the wheel from scratch? Like I think that's almost Yeah, we take inspiration from the stuff around us that you know, or that resonates so that we think we can learn from all that we just lock if you think about latest people that you work with. Its We also learned so much from people who are asked, you know, I like we really do like
I think we we have this negative con avadh that we can put around stuff that's hard and people that are really difficult and I was having a conversation with someone recently about someone that they're working for who is a tossa was actually a triple A Sexual assault is plenty of evidence don't really Jerry it's actually
and you know, you know you were saying earlier we can always find stuff up but I said there's actually something really powerful about you knowing you might be a tosser going forward, you know, like you're learning what that feels like on the other side and when we it's when we stop and think about I will never do that to someone else or I'm going to be really aware that I never want someone to feel that way when they're around me. You know, we learn a lot from that stuff and it can get lost in the noise we can I you can choose for something to serve you or not to serve me. And if we've got all these things happening in life, defaulting to using it as a way of serving
I guess, since you mentioned to the high performers you deal with a hardline deal with do I work with them?
a hard on yourself, I think about us. And we're in mid in the midst of doing a lot of high performers. I think we're trying to be high performers face to face it. So what I think we couldn't do and do it. We couldn't do this if we weren't trying to perform at a high level. And so then there's also a moment where you arena and you're like, not doing enough.
I could imagine you felt like that you're hot performer. Oh, yeah. Totally rocking it. Clearly.
You cannot. So I just want to Can I give you some feedback? Yeah. Yeah. to both of you actually. So my shorts
Yeah, we might.
But the thing that I think you're doing really, really well is the consistent work. So people want success really quickly. And we say so many examples of people who become successful and build profile or not because something happens. And you know, I'm really invested in your journey, and I care a lot about you guys doing well. And, you know, I've the coffee thing in the 711. And, you know, I see you trying lots of different things and the thing that you're doing really, really well as the work and the consistent work. It takes commitment and resilience to get up every single day and go out there and do stuff. You know, like there has to be thoughtfulness. You've had to invest the money, you've had to, you know, build the studio. You have to be good enough and interesting enough, that people actually want to come and have a conversation with you.
When give that time, you know, so there's a whole lot of stuff that sits around it. But it's the being prepared to do the work that I really admire about what you're doing. You know, it's seven days a week, right? Yeah. And that is a conversation that I have with people a lot. You know, people will say, Oh, I'd love to write a book, and I go, Okay, so do you have this much money? And do you have, you know, nine to 12 weeks where you can sit down every single day and write?
You know, or we, you know, we want to have an amazing body, well, are you prepared to stop drinking alcohol for a period of time and actually consistently change how you think about exercise? And well, maybe next year, I'm prepared to do that, you know, so you guys get up every day and do your thing. And I want to recognise that. Thank you. Thank you. That's a big contributor. It's interesting, because it doesn't,
because you know that consistency is what you need to do. I think the interesting thing that we're discovering it, it's still not necessarily the
Answer. Like there's a bunch of things, but you just still need to keep doing it. Yeah, it's like, I think that we said like, once we get to 100 apps, 200 300, that's 400 500 apps, all these things will happen. And I guess that it's beyond the consistency. It's the learning of the detachment of outcome. Like we believe in what we're doing. We believe in the mission. Yeah. And we can only we believe the same thing around consistency. And so we can only execute on our beliefs. Yeah, the hope that it resonates with other people, and and being, you know, really aware of what success will mean for you, you know, in terms of how many people you have listening and following, and, you know, it counts that you having a good time, you know, well, I think we've used that as the metric. Yeah. So then anything you said, you know, when I hear people talk about you guys, I'm actually having my my front yard paved the way and I told the guys I was coming to chat with you.
And I would like oh, Tony and Josh, shall we listen to them? What sounds like people actually listen to you?
Yeah, well, you had someone said love your podcast wasn't a Heckle, it was a
catch me off guard. But he's very witty because you I mean, you're so approachable and warm. And there's not a lot of judgement that you do on the show probably like misunderstanding. I mean, the thing is that like when negative internally about the shit that sometimes we say or do, and so it makes sense that
other people feel the same way the thing that we trigger ourselves in of like, the old version of ourselves that we're not proud of, if we have moments like that, yeah, it's like all there's going to be people who are way more refined than us who see the exact same things that we say. And so I think framing it that way. It makes the negative stuff way more palatable, because we sort of empathise and understand where those people are coming from. And also when part of your philosophy you know, you send a little email out to
Painful before they come and talk to you, which basically says, you know, we don't edit our show. Yeah. And I actually think that's pretty rare. It's pretty unless you're doing live TV or live radio. Everything else is pretty sanitised. I think we pretend it's not. But it actually, you know, we're pretty careful about what we say we're pretty politically correct. And so to have a show that's not edited, I would imagine that there are times when people have a different view. But that's like, hey, Rod, like tension. tension is actually something we do need in business. without tension. We don't actually have growth, we don't have conversation. So as long as it's not about deliberately offending someone or Yeah, then you know, that's actually really healthy. You know, if you're wanting to be a better communicator, just creating something like this. We can it is it is powerful, because you learn that it's almost like you sort of your mind's racing fast, but you end up
catching up with it to understand like to be in time with it. So you're not saying shit that you wouldn't really want to say a second lady like anybody's confronting right? Yeah, I think that's the thing didn't give you a little hope of having saying the knowledge is the thing like,
Well, I think I appreciated it luck. It told me immediately about what your expectations are. And one of the things that's really important for businesses setting culture and culture is not just about your internal people. You know, you guys have very specific culture Mr. 97 sitting over there and you you know, you jumpers and it's weird, by the way, we're not sure what I'm not aware I jumped. Right, but
That's right. You know, so that there's a cultural pace that's really important and every time you send out whether it's an email, a calendar, invite, you have a phone call with someone you are creating an experience for that person of your business, and so
I'm really fascinated by that. So I've read the wording in your email quite, quite carefully. It was this morning, but I did read it. And you know, I sort of it made me proud. And I think it's quite courageous because there would be people who wouldn't be prepared to do this. They're not prepared to not sort of have that opportunity for rod of reply and editing. Sorry, but that's part of your brand, right? If we're living in an authentic age, this is the opportunity to be authentic and we've got nothing to lose as well. We don't own anything. So
don't take bodies by
you know, Iraq to fry a bright
thing. It's a critical, critical
otherwise getting big now. Oh, he's a big boy. I was listening to the podcast where you told you you had bad breath.
Yeah, the tree
You experienced or deal with personal growth and then implementing it within a business. So, so if you have an aha moment, and you've been running a certain way, where a bunch of employees and contractors Yeah, how do you then sit down and realise? Yeah, I love that question. Because I think there's a simple answer, which is I actually tell people, so I do a lot of speaking, and sometimes you smash it and go get make are locked totally rocking at night. Yes. And other times, you get nothing and go, I'll just get me out of here immediately. And I will actually tell people, so I have told audiences and said, You know, so I've spent a lot of time in the corporate world. And, you know, I'm stepping out, I guess, and wanting to share more of my story. And that's feeling a bit different for me. And so I'm going to be using some different language today. And I'm actually going to be sharing some stuff that I haven't shared before, and people really respect
To that people respond to the humility of amin this with you, and I'm trying new things and I'm learning different things and you know, I had a public workshop that I did that, you know, I thought would sell out really quickly because clearly I'm amazing and you know, and it didn't. And he sort of got Oh, what happened there and I remember putting up an Instagram post saying so, you know, a lot of my work is with private clients, I've got this idea to do this public workshop, no one actually registered, what's happening and the, you know, people that was what actually had people looking at it, you know, I feel old, literally within an hour, because people responded not to the schmick may saying, hey, I've got these strategies I want to share around success. people responded to the truth. I like it because I mean, that's a net it's a reaction or a natural response to something happening that's very authentic, versus using it as a strategy. Yeah, I know you're very strategic here to marketing
background. I feel like that's probably not coming from a place of like, this is how I'm going to do it nicely. Just being honest now. Yes, yeah. And then it works out thing, right. So in the moment you created this thing. And there's like a little bit of embarrassment but a reflection of like, I read the room room. Yeah. What they see is yes, I haven't communicated this well. And so the ability to then say, Hey, I read the room wrong. How about if I frame it this way? Yeah. And and there's a real skill in doing that in the moment as well. Yeah, you know, a lot. I'm not sure I made a great choice coming on here this morning. But you know, having a being brave enough and self aware enough in the moment to say, I don't feel like this is going well walk What do I need to do differently? And I do that, you know, with audiences and in workshops, I'll go the rooms really quiet. Can I check in on what that is? Is Am I boring? Or are you just reflecting on what you know what's happening? And people do get that the other strategy I use
I tell people that they have to laugh at my jokes and I find that works so usually yeah tell tell people what your expectations are you know and and how you doing we should do that the start of every show. Yeah. loudly and we have an expected paper laugh and then we found people laugh at their show whether it's
your boss raid me first the My favourite shop in the world is milligramme in Doncaster. I always say it.
Great job. Yeah. I personally we go way, way back.
But yeah, it's a you're working on a new book, what's the learnings from doing one to having a second crowd? Yeah, lots. I actually met with my publisher yesterday. Leslie. Shout out to Leslie.
she, her and I were having a conversation.
About how I really had no idea you know, I had no idea and actually writing is not kind of something that I've always been particularly good at. So that was part of writing the book was I wanted to do something that would really challenge me and that I would learn some new stuff from and boy did islands and stuff like there's a whole lot of things that you know, I want to do better and differently starting out you know, from the very beginning. So for the next one, I'm allowing a lot more time and I've been working with a researcher because I want to find out and really test my thinking around some of the things that I want to write about.
And it's it's actually really confronting, you know, to write a book because there's this the book that's hat currently has a bit of my personal story in it and I had this moment I remember before the book launch Tommy which you came to wear. My work as a coach is about serving others.
So I spend my day listening to what's happening with other people and what's you know, asking them questions about them and working on their life plan and, and then suddenly you kind of have this book that's called all of the stuff that's in your mind and the things that are really important to you the strategies that you want to share and it's a bit like putting your soul into some paper. And everyone says, you know, you'll get trolled. You'll get book reviews, you'll have people say really awful things. And, you know, you get all of the positive amazing stuff as well, but it's been a real ride. It's been a real, a massive learning curve, actually, what sort of person is trolling a book like a book requires like a bunch more effort, right? So you do an Instagram post or a tweet, very easy. takes an extra level of a troll to go to the reading and then interesting ones, actually, yeah, I had and of course you don't really know who it is sorry.
was a man's nine but very nice spot. I had one recently and he went across all of my social media, including LinkedIn, and wrote some really awful things about how women lock may shouldn't be allowed to just write books. And obviously triggered something.
Wanting to have a conversation that you know, and I, this I in the book I write about. This actually makes me uncomfortable to even talk about it's actually I don't like how this played out, but we kind of did.
I feel too late No, no, no, not not filtering. But in the book, I write about how I went and lived in Italy for three months with my children. And that's actually something I'm really proud of. And I don't mean for that to sound ego based. It took work and effort, and it was something that really mattered to me. So as a mom who'd sort of done divorce and found myself with sole custody of the three small children, I very quickly had to
Establish a business and a career that would sustain the four of us and work really, really hard. And one of the goals that I'd set for myself was that I'd always wanted to travel with him and just gone immerse ourselves somewhere and we chose easily. Now, I still worked when I was there, you know, because I'm fortunate that I can coach clients from anywhere in the world we saved
it was not particularly expensive, actually, is the truth like if the economy and easily allows for you to email, eBay and bays and hotels, we went in the offseason and, you know, it was it required a plan and it felt kind of brave to go with three young children by myself to a non English speaking country. And I actually something blew up on social media that started with a particular woman writing about the arrogance of that, and how could I possibly understand what it's really like to struggle and to be a woman
And it was really it was hot so almost shaming or guilt around success yeah it's also project but uh but also like we don't know like we had people comment we had a friend of ours Matt D Avella created a video about our journey and people would say there must be Trust Fund kids doing like that how do they have the time and the resources to be able to do it which is always rich when you're having conversations around clients and leads and making money and trying to do it and so like I might be on a boat in Italy in the Mediterranean.
Yeah, and so I think that's interesting too, but I guess it's the the limiting beliefs of the the people that they've put on themselves around what they can do and their ability to be resourceful. I guess it's a doing things can sometimes trigger in other people what they're not doing. Yeah. It can be confronting and
You know, I guess my whole point was that most things are possible if we're prepared to do the work. And if we make a plan, and it took a couple of years of saving, and you know, all of that, that the other thing that I've really learnt about from being the author of the book is that people actually love to have conversations about what they're working on themselves. And people are really fascinated by success, you know, and it's actually this thing that's quite hard to achieve. Not because it's big, but because we often don't really know we just don't really know, you know, people can set goals for themselves and get there and go, Why don't I feel amazing? Why don't I feel successful? Success is so personal. And, you know, for me, the purpose of writing the book was when you find yourself in a position going, so I don't have a home and I've now got these three children and you know, if
If I was going to be brave, if I was going to do what I always really wanted to do, what would that be? And it was creating my consulting business, you know, that's what it was. And so, you know, I'm in this with you guys, you know, we're being entrepreneurial, were making a lot of compromises to do what we do, actually, it takes a lot of hard work and there's things that we miss out on and, but there's also so much great staff, you know, the people that I've met because of the book, and the learning that I've had, you know, was it has been a bit unexpected, you know, because people will come and share with me the things that they've learned about themselves or that they've learned I'm actually going to do something about right about this over the next week. And you never know what's gonna resonate with people like people will pull something out of the book, a particular question or that I'm it might not even be top of mind me, sorry. It is, I mean, the head that I relate to that a lot just based on what we do, which
Like, we're always surprised at what resonates. Yeah. And so there is a bit of detachment in that which is like, sometimes when a show feels shit, it's people's favourite shows. And so having that in the back of our mind, I guess, allows us to be braver in just having a crack and showing up and doing it. Yeah. making a choice. Yeah. You know, just I think there's something happening in the world at the moment about where responding to people who speak their truth. And also we are responding to people who want other people to be successful, which is not traditionally Australian culture, actually, the whole tall, Poppy and don't get too big. phoebo and, you know, it's really interesting. The experience I have when I'm speaking in America, compared to Australia, is fascinating. You know, like in America, you're expected to talk about how great you are, you know, and you're expected to walk on and and, you know, be laughing at your own jokes and you know, which I'm
actually good at
laughing at my own jokes. But I think there is a bit of a shift happening in Australia at the moment where we are we want people to succeed. Am I starting to have different conversations with people about that, which fills my heart with joy? Actually?
How do you feel about the definition of success? And how does that play a part in what you do every day? Yeah, I think what the way I think about this is that there actually isn't a definition. You know, like if you Google or search, you know what success means. There's a whole lot of standard things that will come up, my version of success could be fitting in, you know, a 15 minute walk each morning and yours is running a marathon clearly and you show any show, um, you know, and success can be about knowing I can pay my bills, and that my children have got what they need, or it might be something that's really different to that, you know, successes, being able to go on that type of holiday and
What I know is that success is not about the stuff. You know, I think my my prediction the futurist in May, says a good title. Yeah, a futurist. Maybe that's my next book. Yeah, that could be a good book title was literally listening to
us. Yeah, I think what we're going to see is that people are going to get clear about success being about experiences and the people that we have around us and the learning that we have, and the exposure that we have to the world that we live in. It's going to be where always going, well, lots of people will always want a nice fancy house and you know, a car to drive. But I think we're starting to get far more meaningful.
Do you guys talk about purpose? Have you talked about purpose lately? Justin Bieber's album
length. Now I think it's funny because it's built in. And it's probably one of those things that we don't talk enough about. It feels like it's built in. And that was part of the thing before you got here that we're talking about, which is like being more deliberate in talking about our purpose, which our purpose is to create connection in a world that is feeling disconnected. And with the future of work, being remote and people not having consistency. Were something that every single day you can listen to. It's a consistent thing. And it's, it means that you're not limited by geography, you're not limited by your situation. You can tune in, I don't think we've necessarily done a great job of externally communicating. That's what our purpose is. So what would that be in one sentence?
Yeah, I think it's around
for, you know, the future of work, like because I think that that's like is everyone's got work everywhere need everyone
because work people tie in with purpose. Yeah. And everyone's got on their own mission of things to do. Yeah. And for us, it's um, it's also I guess the other thing around
you know, we talk about the over optimization that we're all doing. And so there's a lot of podcasts that are strictly optimise, optimise and then you have entertainment. And I guess what we're saying is that friendship sometimes you laugh sometimes you cry, sometimes you serious. You know, sometimes you just want to relax. And so we're trying to give people that whole scope of connection with them rather than I know if I'm listening to these guys that it's going to be about optimise. optimise. optimise so I mean, yeah, in we need to do, darling now. One sentence in the early days it was our purpose was to
scale out of friendship, which sounds, you know, quite tech terms entrepreneurial view on friendship, but it's like, how do we take this? And how do we share it with the world? Yeah, so the purpose was that and then, you know, I think being able to articulate how you know that what you just did, Josh has come a lot of episodes in Yeah. But it was the love all the I think it and that was beautiful to listen to, by the way, like, it's, I think the word purpose. I don't know, we might need to find something else. Like it's kind of it's a bit of a wonky word but but the meaning is important. You know, on why we get up to do what we do and the way that you talk about creating connection with people in a world that's actually pretty disconnected. You know, that's, there's there's a need for that. There is a need for that and doing it with the warmth in which you do it is awesome. But I think this, this is a good a good trigger heartfelt
for everyone to kind of think about, what is it that I get up in the morning to do? And that's not about necessarily about others, but what is it that feeds my soul? What's going to drive me? What's going to make me want to do this even when it's really hard? Yeah, because there must be days where you go, I've got nothing. Yeah, I've actually got nothing.
And dies when you're not feeling well, or, you know, everybody's been awake during the night or you've had too much wine or
you know, the guy is Yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry. You know that that happens. So what is it that's going to sustain me when it's hard? Well, I'm going to think about the connection and there's people out there you know, waiting to hear that today. I guess that's the same thing of like, whether it's like going to the gym like all these things aren't easy. But then when you're in it, like when we're in the momentum or the feeling, we can change like actually showing up turning on the microphone. We can change
I guess it's almost like a meditation in some ways. It can be all happening or whatever. But we can express
have some fun. There is a level of it is balanced between authenticity and performance. And we are doing a performance as well, in regards to, like a friendship, what does my friend need right now? And we're performing in that way. Yeah. And so, I guess the great thing is the consistency is that that thing doesn't change. In regards to what the audience needs, I guess it's probably similar to being a parent, you can have shit happening and all that sort of thing. But you have to perform as a parent with a you know.
Yeah, I find that you know, when I'm coaching there's there's times when you know, you're tired and it takes an extraordinary amount of energy to be present of that. You know, I like whilst we're having a good time and we having a good time, was having a good time. And you know, it's it's a great question.
It takes energy to be present. And when we're mostly running on empty and lots of people are feeling tired, and also we're getting into the end of the year, that that can feel harder. And so how do we get our energy back? Like, how do we refuel? And sorry, I love what you're saying about, you know, I just turning on the mic. And you know, when I turn up, and I'm with that coaching client, and we're sitting in the room, there is a formula, you know, there is a purpose, and once you get started, it's a privilege. It's a privilege to do the stuff that we get to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. I think the the personal privilege of
the personal benefit is that actually, sometimes I feel so much better once we've done the show, as in like, it's broad and energy. And so that's a selfish privilege. But then I know that that also on the other side can help somebody Yeah, yeah, someone can enjoy the session. Someone might have been feeling like me, and then they listen. They go
distracted from the thing that they've been worrying about. even care anymore about that. Yeah, it's also like resistance in life. Like I feel like there's constant resistance like I think about like doing the washing. I always feel good when I've done the washing but the resistance of doing the washing hilarious. Really? Yeah. Because I'm like, well, Mike, I've put the final sock on the clothes hanger or whatever, I might have the what's a clotheshorse? So I call
this I use it every day, so, but I don't know the terms.
Yeah, it's those things. So you push back like, I'm sort of leaning into that more, which is like, actually feel good. Like, visit some of these resistances we don't even test we don't even like what, why am I resisting this? This is a it's like, I mean, I'm constantly like, putting off at me. And then it's like saying, Yeah, but then the thing is that like clearing your inbox actually feels good, right? Yeah. So it's almost like trying to work out what to do with the resistance. Yeah. And is the resistance serving us
Yeah, and why we? Why does it Yeah, if we do that, if our strengths are the things we gravitate to do, is it the weaknesses of the areas that offer up resistance? I mean, does it have good? Can you be putting clothes on the clothes?
just told me that he shouldn't be dead.
I guess that like in the hyper optimised world that we're in, you can easily create a narrative around, like, My mission is way bigger than doing the sort of putting the socks on, like, that's not going to serve. But actually, it is important as the stillness, it's the like, the small things that
just sit back there, the centering things, it's like organised and feeling like life is in hand, you know, because sometimes life can feel like a strategic operation. But you know, you've you've just kind of triggered this thought for me about what we do with our time. You know, like where we put it. Sometimes we'll get calls from people to say
You know, I could you come and speak to our people about time management, and I go in the same time, you can actually manage time. There's 24 hours in the day. And so one of the things that, that I wrote about and that I also talk about is, you know, everything that we say yes to, were saying no to something else. Sorry, how consciously you planning what you do with your time, and actually, what doing the washing and the folding and and the stuff that has to be done is important, right. But when we say, and I think this fades into the business stuff that we were talking about earlier, that we say yes to a lot of stuff that not aligned with our purpose, or that makes us busier than we need to be or doesn't allow the stillness that we need. So when we say, you know, yes to that extra meeting, we're actually saying no to exercise. You know, so being really aware of what we do say yes, to say yes to folding the socks. Oh, yeah, yeah, I don't fold them.
Why just put them sort of in the actually have done a Mac mess Chuck out of socks that there was a certain one that I thought were good but they're actually buying bulk yeah
yeah seven buys them from eBay he gets bamboo bamboo socks
if it's the socks or his shoes it's making him I think it might be the shoes I recommend the socks I think that if you if you because bamboo it doesn't it from a bag we actually don't know if
the company's called bamboo.
sweat it meant it's meant it's meant to be like antibacterial and antifungal. Yeah. Did you know you can get bamboo undies as well.
To get into marine marine I feel like going to New Zealand you should get into the marine
could bring you back a little bit of
bring it back. Thank you Lisa for choosing your time on bamboo Andy's
Do you find that facts about the armadillo? Well, the so the armadillo it's not intelligent.
it's it's really determined. Yeah.
Intelligent determined they can live up to 20 years in captivity or 10 years in the wild, right? So you could do so. Wait 20 years in captivity or in the wild Here we
are in captivity to be honest. I had everything done for me in the zoo. Yeah, I mean
I never thought about that. That's what they're talking about. I straightaway went to jail.
Seriously, I wasn't
very special The other cool thing is I've got a there's one type of armadillo that's got a defensive mechanism. And so when it's attacked it'll jump three feet in the air. Really? Yeah. Can you find a
spirit animal a Komiyama de la we need to find an animal for everyone. What do we think Mr. 90 sevens animal is? a koala
that he locked giancola
very impressed by that. What do you what would you go 97
maybe dolphin I was thinking.
Smart, smart and
he's actually blushing.
Whenever he finds me funny, he blushes
You actually made a Miss 97 for the laughing thing. She's like when I am. Yeah, if I make any check and it's subtle. Yeah, I look at 97 cuz he gets it. He knows what's up.
Either way, well enjoy your trip to New Zealand, you can actually take some time to relax and good luck you guys. Thank you. Thanks for having me. That was super fun. Yeah. I'm looking forward to getting you back when I get a new book is a good excuse, just deconstruct.
We might do something else before. I'd like to hear about you know, Mr. 97. Bamboo. Andy. Yeah, absolutely. We should always have it here with the tradies. He has a saying about
In the construction, complicated to do that. Oh, yeah. Definitely levelling. Is it a driveway or what's this little courtyard? Oh, that's not yet.
Gonna have barbecues and I might invite you
to the best part about recording a podcast like you have all these days. I'm cutting up everyone's invitations I've given to me. Oh, yeah, yeah. And I'll put it together as a montage. Yeah. Anyway, hi the daily talk show.com is email address. One more thing if you're listening, Gemma watts.
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All right, Lisa, what do you think? I love that. Yeah, that's
the way get used to the ask. Yeah. So if you're Yeah, well, enjoy the show. We want to keep doing it.
It's totally appropriate to ask people for their business. And so we do live video production for I think we specialise in human centred stuff celebrating people yeah in motion form also known as video. Alright, so you guys have a good one say tomorrow yeah