Finishing The Bottle

Tommy: The Daily Talk Show.

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 524.

Tommy: What's happening, guys? What's going on? We're back in Melbourne.

Josh: Do I sound different?

Tommy: Um, less planes flying over your head.

Josh: Well, I feel like, uh, when you, uh, took the flight, I feel like you had a bit of sinusy.

Tommy: Oh yeah, I mean, I'm still coming down off the trip. I, um, it's always annoying when you get a bit sick after a, after a solid you know, fun trip.

Josh: Did you have— what's the thing that everyone has?

Tommy: What is it?

Josh: Ebola? No, no, Ebola.

Tommy: That was big.

Josh: Yeah, it was a big— no, I was thinking more like taking the things.

Mason: Melatonin.

Josh: No, it's not even melatonin. Is it? Candy hurts as well. Candy. Do you know that it's the—

Mason: You got to explain it.

Candy: Wait, are you talking about the illness or the solution to the illness?

Josh: No, it's a solution. All the, like, if you're on a shoot or whatever, everyone gives you this stuff. Armour Force. Armour Force.

Tommy: The only thing about Armour Force that it's now hidden like behind the pharmacist's wall because I think it's so expensive. People steal this shit. It's like $59 or something, a container of 50 pills.

Candy: I've actually got some in my bag.

Josh: Really?

Tommy: Do you?

Josh: Super rich.

Tommy: So we're back in the studio. We've got a little audience here. We've got Candy Hurts, who I used to co-host Shepparton Breakfast with. No idea, radio.

Josh: Yeah, were you on Shepparton Radio?

Tommy: It's a running joke now, Candy, that I say, oh, did you know? I'm not sure if you know, but I was on radio in Shepparton.

Candy: You talk about it all the time?

Tommy: Nah, not much.

Mason: Yeah, yeah.

Josh: That's my only reference point of life.

Tommy: But you were one of my co-hosts along with Stacey June. She's actually on the show next week.

Josh: Oh, great.

Tommy: So yeah, you came in first. And so you've got a few friends here.

Candy: Yes, we've got a couple of students from Collards who are doing audio storytelling. Hello to Rowan and to Matt who came along today to learn a little bit about podcasting.

Josh: You can pick up the mic.

Tommy: Hi, Rowan.

Josh: Rowan, what's your favourite podcast?

Tommy: This one.

Josh: What about this? What is the second favourite? I like Jonathan Van Ness. He's great. Yeah.

Tommy: What's it called? I think it's called Getting Curious.

Josh: Yeah. He's the guy from Queer Eye. Long hair.

Tommy: Oh yeah.

Candy: Yep.

Josh: Very cool. And, uh, I think my favourite one is Switched On Pop. Yeah, that pop music one. I wonder how they do that with licensing. Yeah, me too. I was wondering that actually. Yeah. Who runs it?

Tommy: Zero dollars from it?

Josh: No. Well, even if you made zero, I think there's like all this work on— they're trying to make licencing easier for podcasts because at the moment I don't like— we don't use any music, commercial music or anything like that.

Tommy: Well, it's the Wild Wild West, but as soon as they crack down, then everyone who did just be absolute cowboys get screwed.

Josh: Well, Ash Williams, who's got a podcast.

Candy: That's him now.

Josh: Yeah, yeah. Ash is great and he's very loose, but he, he's part of ACAST, I think it is. And he got an email from their lawyer saying, can you stop playing music at the end of your podcast?

Candy: Might be that they don't play the whole song at any point. They just play snippets. Maybe you're allowed to.

Josh: Well, there's a In the US they have something called, what is it called?

Tommy: Free use.

Josh: Yeah, fair use. So it's a fair use copyright thing, which means you can use bits and snippets out of things. We don't have that in Australia, so we can still get in trouble.

Tommy: Anyway, it's Fat Friday, which I want to get to soon. I've been out to Shopo. The reason I was at Shopo, which is a local shopping centre. Who called it Shopo? I was wondering where did that nickname come from? Doncaster Shopping Centre?

Candy: Definitely Doncaster Shopping Centre.

Tommy: Yeah. Shoppo? Is it just— it's abbreviated?

Josh: Well, I think 97. Do you know where Shoppo came from?

Tommy: Some bogan. No, it would have—

Mason: well, people call it Donny.

Tommy: Donny.

Mason: Shoppo.

Tommy: What else?

Mason: I mean, I call it the mall.

Josh: Yeah, but you're from New Zealand.

Mason: The mall is— oh mate, it's definitely a Kiwi thing.

Tommy: Candie, do you remember we did the mall versus mall, or you know, the Maud Street Mall?

Candy: Yeah, there's a lot of interesting things in Shepparton.

Tommy: It's not a mall.

Candy: It was just a bit of the street.

Tommy: It's a blocked off street so you can't drive there.

Josh: Was it a phoner?

Tommy: It was a full 7-week intensive arc. Gotta fill air somehow. So yeah, I'll get to that. But I went to Chad's— I went to Shopo yesterday because my phone— so I checked emails in the morning and then all of a sudden I couldn't open my phone. It's— it was the death of me. I couldn't fucking get into it at all. Like, phone calls are coming through, couldn't answer it. So my swipe screen had completely gone.

Josh: And when you when you told me this, I was like, I'm 99% sure I'll be able to fix this.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: And so I said, I'll give it here. And I did a reset thing and it like turned on. I was like, here we go. I've already fixed it. I was so happy with myself.

Candy: Switch it on, switch it off.

Josh: Yeah, exactly.

Tommy: I'd done everything. So the iPhone X, you have to do some up, down, hold.

Candy: Yeah, it's a very weird, it's a little dance on your phone.

Tommy: And then it was completely cooked. I'd done it before and fixed it that way, Josh. And so I had to take it in. Luckily I got an appointment. And so, but I took it to them at 3 PM.

Josh: Apple Genius Bar.

Tommy: That was yesterday. And they said to me, yeah, so you're going to have to leave it with us. When did you last back it up? Handy hint. I didn't know when I'd last backed up my phone to my iCloud. You can sign in on web and cheque that device at the exact time it took all your data last time. So last night. So I was like, if I was to lose anything, it wouldn't have been bad because I had a backup from 12 AM or something. Anyway. I, um, they said to me, uh, you have to leave it with us. And I said, so what am I going to do, be phoneless? And she said, the only solution she gave me was buy a phone, we have a 14-day return policy, and then just return it tomorrow.

Josh: Absolutely not.

Tommy: I mean, I, I'm not that afraid of admin like you, but I said too much admin.

Josh: Yeah, way too much ridiculous.

Tommy: And I have to spend the cash.

Josh: We have to keep the— I reckon I would end up fucking it up and throwing out the box and then, so sorry, you can't return it.

Tommy: She literally, her words were you can buy a burner. It's like, mate, that's not a burner, that's a fucking $700 iPhone. Even the mid— what's the cheapest iPhone you can buy?

Josh: Yeah, that's not—

Candy: you're not getting anything.

Tommy: No, exactly. Um, so anyway, I had— I was naked last night, I had no phone, and I was by myself. My wife went out for dinner, and so I had to go pick up Bodhi. Well, it made— so there's the first panic was Bodhi likes to listen to, um, Paw Patrol in the car. Catboy in the car and we can't listen to Catboy. And so I went to pick him up at like 6 PM and luckily he hadn't slept. Well, was it? It could have been unlucky because he hadn't slept all day, so he didn't have a nap.

Josh: He could have been a good thing.

Tommy: He could have been absolutely wild or he could have been the loveliest little sweet, sweet, sweet boy. And he was the— he was a sweet, sweet boy.

Josh: That's good.

Tommy: And so I said to him, I just told him that his phone's broken. I don't have it, so we can't. He said, oh. And he was really empathetic about, oh, sorry, Daddy, or something like that.

Josh: It was beautiful.

Tommy: And so we had a really lovely night with no phone, but I really enjoyed it. I didn't—

Josh: I woke up at 7.

Tommy: No, I got to bed. Yeah, I got to bed a little later, but I didn't have an alarm.

Candy: You know what time it was?

Tommy: I don't know. Oh no, I was on my computer. I was on my computer. The wake-up bit though, I didn't know what time it was because I didn't have an alarm from— for waking up. This is where Amy come home. No, Amy was out all night. She stayed somewhere. Yeah, she stayed.

Josh: She was loose. She was posting Insta stories.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Candy: She's like, I know you'll never see them.

Tommy: So she posted this Insta story. Mama's out on the town tonight. And I just wrote back to her and said, Mama's going to have a sore head tomorrow. She was with Bodie's godfather, her best mate from Sydney. And so they had a nice apartment in the city and it's not an affair. It's so good.

Josh: Your phone stopped working. It sounds like an absolute nightmare.

Tommy: Anyway, so It was lovely, but I was thinking, I'm already at that point now. How many days until the end of the year? It's like 30. It's like 36 or something like that. I'm already at the point now where I'm like— 41. 41. Starting to go, oh, I'll start that in January. You know, it's like the almost—

Josh: Excuse.

Tommy: Yeah, I've got the excuse of like, oh, that's when I'll save.

Josh: You only started that now. I reckon probably—

Tommy: Jan 2 for you? No, no, no, no.

Josh: Seriously, probably July 1.

Tommy: July 1st, what you were like.

Josh: July 1st, I was like, okay, new financial year. Not right, I'll do it. But I think I'm starting to sort of slowly move into things. So I'm trialling certain things with the idea that it could potentially be a New Year's resolution.

Tommy: Well, yeah, one that I was thinking for next year, 41 days away, was around the phone stuff. And so like just removing the phone, because I think it's like I've tried the old, I'll stop using apps like Matt Diavella. When we're at his place, he's like, um, oh, I'll share this on my Insta Stories. He's like, I'll have to download— he had to download Insta Stories. I said to download Instagram because he deletes it off his phone. That's a solid effort.

Josh: It's a lot of work.

Tommy: And so the removing of the phone is a different thing. And I was thinking for next year, there's a bunch of stuff that I want to implement which we can get to in the next 41 days. I'll still make up my mind about how, what, what rules I want to put in place.

Josh: You cut out alcohol this year.

Tommy: Cut out alcohol.

Candy: Still out?

Tommy: Zero. Zero drinks.

Josh: Yeah. Even when we were at EPLP in Los Angeles, I just wanted to launch. Did you really?

Tommy: Yeah, I really did. I was just sniffing it. He gave us some nice French champagne. Thanks, Grant.

Candy: Oh, Tommy.

Tommy: I was just sniffing it, but it wasn't that bad. Like, these guys were drunk. Yeah.

Candy: And well done, because apparently that's not normal.

Josh: Yeah, no, it's not normal for these boys.

Tommy: Yeah. So yeah, yeah, I don't know. I'm thinking, I don't know, I need another rule.

Josh: Because you said to me a week ago you said, I'm thinking about next year being about moderation, so having one drink a night.

Tommy: Yeah, one drink a night for 365 days. Well, I wonder what I, I would like to see, because I've lent into the sobriety thing, so the removal completely, but I want to say, and then I've like, I don't know if it is the removal of the substance that makes you more conscious and aware of your, your mental state. So your mental health. And I don't know if I'm more aware of my anxieties or, you know, the feel— you know, the feelings that I'm experiencing daily that was just being masked before. So I don't know if it's like— what am I trying to say?

Candy: If it's actually created that for you or whether it was just masking it.

Tommy: And so I don't know, am I actually better having a few drinks?

Josh: A bit of numbing is good.

Tommy: Well, like, if it's not completely, um, sort of, you know, flat-out alcoholism. Yeah, like, you know, every night drunk. I wonder what that looks like. Yeah, Candy, we used to drink back in Shetland. We had a few big nights out.

Candy: Whoa, just a couple. Geez, just a couple. Um, I love that question, and it's a really— like, the question is, like, does alcohol just make you maybe a bit looser and a bit more comfortable to just relax into yourself a bit more? Or is it bringing out a different version of you that's already in there? It just needs to be released. Like, it's hard to know what it is. I definitely— I still have nights out. Like, I, I'm definitely still in that phase. And yeah, like, there's, there's stuff that I think and say when I'm drinking that I don't know if I definitely think it or not when I'm not.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Do you like it the next day? Do you feel like—

Candy: depends on how many drinks are involved.

Josh: Yeah.

Candy: If it was too many drinks, then no, of course not. Like, it's an awful feeling if I— if it was a nice night out. I love the social aspect of it more so than what the alcohol does to me, I think. So in theory, I could be sipping on, you know, vodka, like just the soda and lime part of it all night. But there is also something fun about the social element of drinking.

Tommy: Well, and then Conspiracy Jimmy said, you know, correlation doesn't equal causation. So it could be me thinking I'm better off without alcohol So, so yeah, does it, does that equal a greater consistency of happiness?

Josh: Yeah. I mean, 97andhi went to Pete Shepherd's 30th birthday, surprise birthday.

Tommy: You've come as Pete today. Yeah, I'm wearing his glasses. I mean, it's, it's, it's amazing how you shift your glasses and it's so noticeable instantly to someone around you because I think your other glasses make you look like you don't have glasses on because they're There's no, no green.

Josh: Do you like these ones?

Tommy: I actually like your other ones.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: But they're kind of cool. They're very like, hey, look at me wearing glasses. That's me. I'm that guy.

Candy: How ironic, because they're clear.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're clear, but they're very like compared to your Steve Jobsies.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: You know, they're—

Mason: Yeah. Why?

Josh: But I even had a wine at the 30th and 97 reckons I took one sip And he reckons that it affected you.

Tommy: You're a better bloke.

Mason: Yeah, but he was, he was more talkative, he was up and about, he was trying to organise a photo. Yeah, there was a massive group photo that we were trying to take.

Tommy: And did you take that?

Josh: No, no, no, no, no.

Tommy: But I said, attention everyone, attention, coordinate, micromanage.

Josh: Yeah, but we got it happening. Yeah, but, but, um, yeah, do you think that I should maybe have a drink every time I go out?

Mason: Maybe not every time. I think you do loosen up a lot.

Josh: Yeah.

Mason: Like you just, you're just a bit more talkative, a bit, maybe a bit funnier. You just—

Josh: Well, I'm trying to experiment. I actually, for the, on the night after, I asked Bree, I'm like, oh, do you want to, we'll have some red wine. It's like, I don't feel like it tonight or whatever. And I was like, I'm going to have some anyway. And then I was like, controlled environment experiment. Never finished a bottle before.

Tommy: What night was this?

Josh: Yeah, so this was Sunday, and so I, I had the whole bottle. And then the thing was that 97 and I had to— like, I've, I've never had that amount before. Woke up in the morning and I just sort of had this slight panic because we were driving to Geelong. I was like, if I'm definitely not over, but I just had that moment of like, if I didn't— I don't know my body that well. If I was over I got fucking RBT and I've got 97 in the car.

Tommy: Could you smell alcohol on me?

Mason: No, no, I couldn't.

Tommy: Okay, absolute disaster.

Josh: I was a little bit paranoid about it, just like it's not a good look.

Mason: No, I had no idea.

Candy: Okay, where does the no drinking come from?

Josh: I don't know, a lot of people ask me, but because they're expecting some form of like sort of dark, you know, everyone's got like a dark storey of like someone's like someone.

Tommy: Oh, but you're quite uptight and so that like in general, and then you just like, I get it. But so now you've sort of experienced it and you're like, oh, this is actually not that bad.

Josh: Well, I was a fat kid and so I was obsessed with calories and stuff. And so then it was like, I just didn't need it. But also I didn't like the social situation, like the settings of like, what do they call it?

Tommy: When you would— Social anxiety?

Josh: No, no, no. When you hang out with friends, they called them something specific. They're not parties.

Mason: Gatherings.

Josh: Gatherings.

Tommy: Gatherings.

Candy: Who says that?

Josh: Going out.

Tommy: When I was a kid, it was like, oh, we're having a gathering. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Josh: And so I would sometimes get to go to the gatherings, but mostly not. But anyway, so that was an interesting experience.

Candy: I mean, if you don't like being in those social environments and you're not going to sit at home and drink by yourself, which is a very positive thing, then when else would you drink?

Josh: Yeah, exactly.

Tommy: Yeah. Inspired by Matt D'Avella and his sort of tests that he does. This has been a long test.

Josh: Yeah. Well, you've also not done porn. Are you going to do porn once a day?

Tommy: I'm not going to do porn. Just quit porn. I've quit porn, isn't it? Just a bit addicted. No, no, that's the problem. Everyone thinks you're addicted when you say you quit.

Josh: A long neck and porn, just every night.

Tommy: Just—

Josh: no, it's—

Tommy: I just was like, I haven't watched porn in a while, I may as well stop watching porn completely. And so I was like, yeah, I think you grow up watching porn as a young man. A lot, a lot of young, you know, like, that's what the shit you talk about with your— the boys when you're 13, 14.

Candy: What? When you're 13, you watch porn?

Tommy: Yeah, I would have watched porn when I was—

Mason: I do not understand boys.

Tommy: Yeah, or 9, I reckon, for the first time.

Josh: I remember primary school, they didn't have filters and it became a problem, like internet filters, because it's just like you just type in, you know, s-e-x search.com.

Tommy: And so that's— no, I think these are all patterns. And so the drinking from when I was 13, when I first started, you develop a pattern. Yeah, porn, you develop a pattern. All these things, it's like you gotta crush, you gotta break the cycle to then form if you want to enter that world again. So I'm not saying porn's bad for everybody, but maybe— I think it helped. I think it definitely helped my relationship, uh, sort of like you see the immediate effects when you stop doing it for a short period of time. You're like, actually more attracted, just because you're getting stimulation from something other than the person that you're with, right?

Josh: You've got an hour extra a day to do other stuff. Wasn't that at all?

Tommy: They don't make it out like that. But next year, so what I'm saying is no porn. But I don't know, I'll work out the drinking thing.

Candy: Were there any scenarios this year that you kind of were like, I just, in this moment, I just really want to be drinking?

Tommy: No, because I, I, I'm pretty strict on myself when I've decided, decided on something.

Candy: Yeah.

Tommy: And so as much as out with you guys, I was just like, I'd love to have this fun with you boys.

Candy: But that was one, like, that's one time.

Tommy: That's one.

Candy: And then avoid going out is kind of my—

Tommy: yeah, I reckon there was You definitely— I haven't gone out as much. And so what I've actually thought about is like, I don't—

Josh: I—

Tommy: we've been doing this, the business and the podcast, it's taken up a lot of our time this year.

Josh: Yes.

Tommy: Focusing on friendship is something I want to do more of next year, and I think it actually is connected to the, the, the social lubricant. It's not that I can't friend— can't socialise with without alcohol, but it's like One of my favourite things to do is drink beers with my best mate Jimmy. Yeah, and we can just sit there for hours, hours. And it's not like I love him when I'm sober, I love him when I'm pissed. We just have so much fun when we're doing it, and it brought us together. And, and now we've got kids, you know, same age, so we hang out, that stuff. But there is definitely something that I'm missing in terms of the social setting that is around the alcohol.

Candy: So it's like, because all my friends that have quit over the years then stopped going out Yeah. So I wonder, is that a positive then? Like, if part of the reason you're quitting is because you want to, you know, work on your mental health and things like that, but then you're disconnecting from your friendship groups, then do you have to reform new groups, or can you find a way to still do that? Yeah, just without the alcohol.

Tommy: Well, it's a long journey, so we've done a year off, and then I'll see.

Josh: Now I can start next year. You're gonna— so does that mean you have December off from friends still?

Tommy: No, it's not December. I haven't made it out with friends. I haven't done that at all.

Josh: Conspiracy Jimmy, see you before the end of the year. Yeah, we speak.

Tommy: On Telegram.

Josh: We always—

Tommy: yeah, definitely. But I don't know, Christmas parties, and there's definitely— yeah, it's a, it's a hard one to navigate. Everyone's on their own journey.

Josh: 97, what do you normally do for Christmas?

Tommy: Um, don't believe in it.

Mason: No, we, we usually just— we've got a fake tree. So Mum, when you— the one that Ellen DeGeneres has, she's got like a brand that sponsors her or whatever.

Josh: What does that mean?

Mason: Well, she's just like in her studio, she's got a fake Christmas tree. And so Mum saw it on Ellen DeGeneres or online or something and she got a tree. So, okay, we don't actually— I'm not sure.

Josh: We don't find out.

Mason: Um, yeah, we don't actually get one of the, um, proper trees anymore because Dad used to get a bunch of irritation. But we just hang out as a family and then call family back in New Zealand, wish them Merry Christmas.

Josh: Well, that's nice. So this tree Um, I'm just curious. Yeah, like, so is it getting sent?

Candy: Must get shipped on like Amazon.

Josh: Yeah, is that like, where is it coming from?

Tommy: Amy wants a real one. She's getting a real one for us.

Josh: Oh, well, in that bouleen life, you can do it.

Tommy: Yes, suburb life.

Josh: Are you gonna do a, um, doesn't it like make a heck of a lot of a mess? Yeah.

Tommy: Well, Candy's, you're Jewish? Yeah. Do you celebrate? I can't remember.

Candy: No, no, some Jewish people do.

Tommy: Oh, I've got a lot of Jew mates who fucking love the party.

Candy: I'm happy to definitely go to every Christmas party I'm invited to.

Josh: So that's it, that party thing.

Candy: Yeah, I'm happy to accept What do you actually want to give me?

Mason: Some.

Candy: But I don't know. I never know what to do with like if I'm dating someone or something, I'm like, oh, it's important to you, I'll buy presents for you. And then I find it awkward when they buy me a present.

Tommy: I tell you what, the Jews have a lot more parties.

Candy: We, we do. But can I say we don't have something— is technically we have Hanukkah, which is like this 8-day thing where in theory you get a present every day. I've never celebrated that. Yeah, my parents tapped out on that one, unfortunately. But I don't actually know many people that do. So I think we really miss out on the— you get a big present for your birthday and then you can get another big present for Christmas. Yeah, we miss out on the second big present. It's really annoying.

Josh: It's upsetting. Yeah. I mean, when I was growing up, I wanted to be Chinese.

Tommy: What, because of the money?

Josh: For the red envelope.

Tommy: The red envelope.

Josh: Just like what you'd have to do.

Tommy: We get a red envelope for our wedding from Amy's friend who's Chinese. And so I was like, I do like it. Just cash.

Josh: Yeah, just cash money.

Candy: It's more exciting in the envelope though.

Josh: Yeah, definitely.

Tommy: Maybe you don't get so red.

Josh: Maybe that's what I'll do for Christmas.

Tommy: Get red envelopes for you guys.

Candy: Get scratchies in them.

Tommy: Yeah, the scratchies are great.

Josh: You don't know how to run a scratchie.

Tommy: No, we did scratchies when we're in the States and they were so confusing. Mate, they're different here.

Candy: I don't understand the big ones. The ones that are like a $10 one where you have to, if you match this and then that, and then you get 3 cats.

Tommy: Well, not enough time on there.

Josh: 97 asked when they're announcing the winners. I'm like, mate, it's not how it fucking works.

Tommy: That's a lot of it, bro.

Mason: An update on the Christmas tree.

Josh: Yeah.

Mason: So, you can get one for 2 metres for a grand.

Josh: 2 metres high?

Mason: 2 metres high.

Josh: That's taller than me.

Mason: Yeah, but that's what you want.

Josh: That's true.

Mason: You want—

Tommy: Okay.

Mason: But if you want to go all out, you can get one for 3.5 metres and 2 metres wide for $3,000.

Josh: Whoa, whoa, whoa. What was the first price?

Mason: $1,000.

Josh: That's still— Your mum spent a grand on a Christmas tree?

Tommy: US or Aussie dollar?

Mason: I have no idea.

Josh: Really?

Tommy: Oh, wait till Rick fucking gets around this.

Mason: We've had it for maybe 4 years now.

Josh: Okay. So, this isn't a recent— No. I was thinking people, Ellen DeGeneres. When is she watching Ellen?

Mason: I don't know. She must have just been Googling like—

Tommy: Yeah, Facebook, mate.

Candy: Yeah.

Tommy: Oh yeah, probably Facebook.

Mason: But I reckon she was probably Googling like Christmas trees or whatever and then something about Ellen DeGeneres pops up.

Josh: And what's the brand?

Mason: Balsam Hill. B-A-L-S-A-M Hill.

Josh: And what's shipping cost?

Mason: Well, it's coming from the US.

Josh: It's a big package.

Mason: If you do the Black Friday deal, you can get free delivery and up to 40% off.

Tommy: I know a couple of guys. They went to high school with, they started a Christmas tree business. They bought a whole heap of shitty— like, no, no, no, these were like fake from China, like what they are, but probably just the shittest brand.

Josh: What about, um, Conspiracy Jimmy had a TV brand. Oh yeah, yeah. And they had, um, I think it was 5 or 10-year warranties, and they couldn't relax. Like, they'd finished the business, but they couldn't relax for like years. And they were like— because they were worried that things were gonna fucking break down. It's, uh—

Tommy: well, I got a 2-year, uh, 2-year from I've got a 30-day warranty on my screen on this phone.

Mason: So, so was that all under warranty, your fix?

Tommy: Or it was just— They always show you, this is what it would have cost and now it's zero. It was for— it would have been $450 for a new screen. Yeah, well, that's what they said it was going to cost, but it was under warranty still for somehow. Mate, I'm not— you shouldn't have to pay a cent when you buy a phone within a plan. If it's still in plan, you shouldn't pay one cent.

Josh: You don't. With all the consumer laws and shit, you're pretty safe.

Tommy: Dude, Apple, I've never seen it this busy. Whether it's this time of year, there was— so today went yesterday, just chock-a-block.

Josh: People actually like looking, or were they in the Genius Lab?

Tommy: No, it's all, it's all help.

Candy: Don't forget new products recently just came out.

Tommy: Oh yeah, that's right.

Candy: So people are excited. There's a new AirPod Pros.

Josh: I really want them.

Tommy: And then you get those Get those for Chrissy.

Josh: You think I should?

Tommy: You really buy them for yourself, mate. What else are you doing with your cash?

Josh: I was going to buy new ASICS.

Tommy: They're fine. What's wrong with those?

Candy: Do you guys use the— those?

Josh: Yeah.

Candy: Yeah. Okay. Can I ask a question about the, the, like, it's the wireless, completely soundproof or whatever it's called.

Josh: Oh, the noise cancellation.

Candy: Noise cancellation. Thank you. Isn't that like really dangerous if you get hit by a car? Yeah. Is it like, seriously, you can't hear anything else outside of it?

Josh: Well, so yeah, these are the new ones. Ones, uh, that have the noise cancellation. I wouldn't put full— you can set apparently the settings, got a transparency thing, so you can turn the dial up or down or whatever and it changes, which the, the old Bose never used to do. I find it disgusting, people that run enclosed headphones.

Tommy: Yeah, what about just lifting like that and just sweat pouring out? CrossFit?

Josh: No, what's wrong?

Tommy: Like, it's kind of cool just lifting heavy and yeah, with a few noise cancelling. Um, The Rock does it. Yeah, he loves his—

Mason: He's got his own headphone brand.

Tommy: Okay, that's why he's doing it.

Josh: Do you know what's one of the most—

Tommy: He actually hates it, but he makes a million bucks every time he wears them and puts a photo up.

Josh: One of the most uncomfortable situations I've ever been in with a pair of headphones. I don't know why I was doing this. I must have been on a plane. I just had my headphones on. I kept them on going to the toilet, but cutting out that sense of hearing. You actually use it.

Candy: What do you need to hear?

Josh: Well, I think you actually need to hear more than what you think because it just sort of threw me off. It's like, what's going on? It's just a bit disorientating.

Tommy: Will.i.am. He was wearing some noise-canceling headphones on a flight recently.

Josh: Now what happened?

Tommy: Scoopla, scoopla. So Will.i.am, yeah, that was Candice. But do you know about this, Candice? You can take over. Will.i.am, he got in an argument with some Qantas staff because he had his noise-canceling headphones on. Yeah, and the Veronicas came out and said something about it, and now Qantas is saying we'll help the staff because he defamed by releasing their full name.

Josh: He named the person. Fuck Will.i.am.

Tommy: Fuck him. Yeah, it's fucked up. He named the person, said this person was being racist, which like, yeah, it's a huge call to say someone's name. But I think without looking at it too much, you'd think that Qantas are pretty adamant that she wasn't being racist if they're willing to back her and help sue Will.i.am for defamation. You'd think that Qantas wouldn't get behind a racist.

Josh: Absolutely not. You fucking hope. Yeah, that's why I think like that's— I mean, if she was being racist, absolutely call out. If she asked you to take your noise-cancelling headphones off and then you say you're being racist, that's a little bit of a stretch.

Candy: Wasn't it in like super VIP seats? Like, didn't she kind of accidentally treat people in those seats just a lot nicer?

Tommy: I think it was a flight between somewhere in Australia. So you can't like— what plane are you? You can only fly business. And they're not even that great a plane.

Josh: Business domestic is the same.

Tommy: Yeah, that's what I mean. That's what I mean. So it's not—

Josh: they use the little rope. Yeah. It's like that's all you're buying is that rope. Sometimes they forget and it's like, oh shit, better put out the rope. Otherwise they'll get pissed off.

Candy: That rope is mean because sometimes you're sitting close to the front, you really need the bathroom and there's the cart and you can't get to the back and you want to just use the one that's just there at the rope.

Josh: You can't.

Tommy: Yeah. But Will.i.am won't let you.

Candy: Yeah.

Josh: He won't. Impressive thing. 97, tell Candy the impressive thing about me on flights.

Mason: Oh, it doesn't go toilet. Yeah, I went on the whole flight, 14 minutes, no, it feels 15 hours, didn't get up once to go toilet.

Candy: You should be drinking a lot.

Josh: No, you can't drink anything. If you drink anything—

Tommy: I love how you set it up like this is impressive. Candy, you'll be impressed.

Candy: I was impressed that you're not weeing.

Tommy: No, but then you're also like, you're severely dehydrated.

Josh: But then you hydrate after you go through a sort of—

Candy: You should be drinking a lot.

Josh: I literally like, because when we, before we got on the flight, we went to Bluestone Lane. And funny, like, which is a cafe, Aussie cafe. And the funny thing was a waitress, she was serving me like a server, and Tommy asked me to go in and get the coffee. And I was talking to her, I was like, oh, we actually had Nick Stone on the show. And he's, you know, the founder, founder of Blue Stone, all that sort of thing. And she was then saying that she's a dietitian and she's from Australia and she's there for like 8 more months. And then she said, oh, I can give you some tips on what to do, like pre-flight. I said, actually, to be honest, I disengage my core and just like don't do anything. I just put headphones. I actually had my mask on the whole time. I didn't move it. The annoying thing was I got in the car and I had this great conversation. I thought, geez, I'm charming. And then I get into the car and I give Tommy the coffee and he'd spoken to her the day before and reeled out the exact same lines about interviewing Nick. So she must have been so confused, or she would have been like, I've gotten the co-host, what is this?

Tommy: It's a weird thing.

Candy: Maybe she thinks you're like some weird stalker sitting in the corner who listened to that story.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, that would be next level complex.

Tommy: What is fucking getting real weird is like when shit happens and I watch you and I'm like, I know what I would say in this moment. And you actually just step in and say it. So not even on the podcast, this is outside of the podcast. So it could be in a cafe or something.

Candy: I'm just like, if you were girls, your periods would be in sync.

Josh: Yeah, 100%.

Tommy: Yeah, we would be in cycle.

Josh: So we say it in cycle aligned.

Tommy: Yeah, cycle aligned. Yeah, yeah. Oh, in Shepparton, there was actually a guy, remember Maz? There was a guy who did the shift after us in the—

Candy: oh, wasn't he on the— oh no, he wasn't.

Tommy: He did the— so he did like the announcing after us. Yeah, solo announcing. Um, we had a pee cycle that was identical, that we would just always bump into each other in the toilet. Like, every fucking time I went to the toilet, he was there. And I was just like, dudes, our pee cycles are fucking—

Josh: I guess it makes sense.

Tommy: We're locked up.

Josh: So can we talk about—

Tommy: yeah, yeah, Fat Friday. So Choppo was there, and at Choppo there's a, there's a company— I don't know if— is this worldwide?

Josh: Mrs. Fields?

Tommy: No, Mrs. Fields?

Josh: I don't think so.

Tommy: Um, cookies.

Josh: The other thing that we haven't mentioned is, uh, welcome to anyone from Matt Diavella's, uh, video. Yeah, that's watching us. But, uh, if all these references go over your head, we're sorry. Yeah, but this is Mrs. Fields, and Shoppo is in Doncaster, which is a suburb outside of Melbourne.

Tommy: It's a great shopping centre in Melbourne. It's in Melbourne. It's in— yeah, it's definitely in Melbourne.

Josh: Yeah, it's in— yeah, it's in.

Tommy: Okay, so today is at Mrs. Fields Cookies, which which is specifically a cookie joint versus Subway, which is not specifically a cookie joint, but they're known for their cookies. So it's a cookie v cookie and we're going to do a taste test here. This is purely based on which one you like better. Do you like the Subway or the Mrs. Fields? And I did it the wrong way. Yeah. Do you like the Mrs. Fields or the Subway? Which one do you like better? So there's 5 of us in this room.

Josh: 5, 6. How many cookies did you get? I'm glad that you probably bought based on the first round of numbers.

Tommy: Well, you don't need to have a whole fucking cookie if you don't want. You can have a bite. This guy.

Josh: So I haven't had lunch.

Tommy: This is not lunch.

Mason: So you didn't have breakfast, did you?

Tommy: I'm literally going to take a little bit.

Josh: I was planning for this to be a big blowout. If I get half a fucking cookie, I'm going to be pissed.

Tommy: Okay, so I've got—

Josh: this is—

Tommy: I'm just taking a few little bits of each, but I know which one's which. All right, so I've got some Mrs. Fields.

Josh: Oh wait, you are trying to— you said before that you weren't blindfolded.

Tommy: Test. We're not blind testing. I just know which one's which because I need to tell you. I'm going to taste. All we're doing today is having a bite of each and going, which one do we like?

Mason: But you know which—

Josh: why are we doing that? Was I like— you were— why do you want me not to know which is which?

Tommy: No, dude.

Josh: So you're fine with that?

Tommy: This is what happens when his blood sugar's low. He just—

Josh: do you want to do that?

Candy: Yeah, he just wants to compare quality. He doesn't care if you don't know which one's which. Having said that though, Tommy, a better way to do a food test is to not know which is which and say, oh, that one tastes better.

Josh: Yeah.

Candy: Only because if you have a bias, so you think, I already know I love the Subway cookies.

Josh: Yeah. Can I have an all choc one?

Candy: Today is just a quality test.

Tommy: Quality test. Which one do you like better?

Josh: I mean, the annoying thing is I'm going to have to have the— oh, you've already put them in half. That's fine.

Tommy: It's so annoying. Alright, here we go.

Josh: So which one should I try first? Should I try the Mrs. Fields or the Subway?

Mason: No, go Subway.

Josh: Okay.

Mason: Subway first.

Tommy: I've gone the opposite.

Mason: Okay, great.

Tommy: So I've gone Mrs. Fields. All right, good.

Josh: I can already tell what I'm gonna like more.

Candy: I already know which one I'm gonna like more.

Tommy: Okay, so I've got Mrs. Fields first. Now I'm going Subway, and then we have to make our decision. Um, there's a mic, there's a mic couch, so we'll get the boys on the couch.

Josh: All right, so the first one—

Candy: oh, it was— don't even have to taste it to know.

Tommy: Have you had both yet?

Candy: Yeah, I didn't— I knew I didn't have to taste it to know. Look at this texture. Look at this, guys.

Tommy: It's like, oh yeah, so now, yeah, and wet.

Josh: So that's what you want.

Tommy: It's what you want in a cookie.

Josh: So yeah, I think Mrs. Fields wins by far.

Tommy: So that's your vote?

Candy: Me too.

Tommy: Yeah, that's 2 Mrs. Fields. I'm gonna go Subway because I want to be different, but Mrs.

Josh: Fields is more cakey.

Candy: That's what I'm saying, it's squishy and wet.

Josh: And that's what you want, squishy and wet.

Mason: Yep.

Josh: There's the title of the app.

Tommy: I'm going, I'm going Subway.

Josh: Are you really though? Do you believe that?

Tommy: Okay, so we got another Mrs. Fields. 3 Mrs. Fields versus 1 Subway.

Josh: I'm gonna have to say Mrs. Fields as well.

Tommy: 4 Mrs. Fields.

Josh: Nice. 97 doesn't know how his mic works.

Mason: He's gotta hit the wrong button. Mrs. Fields.

Tommy: Mrs. Fields.

Josh: It is better, isn't it?

Candy: Did you really mean the Subway or were you just saying it's trying to be different?

Tommy: I was trying to be different.

Candy: The Mrs. Fields one was amazing.

Tommy: It tastes like it had a lot more butter in it. Maybe because I've always thought Subway cookies are amazing, but maybe it's because you've just had a Subway.

Candy: Or I would say at a pure guess, I would say that the Mrs. Fields cookies are definitely cooked on site and potentially the Subway cookies come from somewhere.

Tommy: I've seen them cooking the Subway cookies. Yeah, that's why I bought them.

Josh: They're smelling them at the oven.

Candy: I think they make them in the oven. Or is that just a thing?

Josh: I'm pretty sure that they do that. Can you find out, 97?

Candy: Because I reckon the Mrs. Fields one, because it's not as big a chain, is it? I don't think it is. Would probably be made like on site right there, really fresh.

Tommy: Oh, you hope so. I mean, they taste pretty fresh. Now, the Mrs. Fields— sorry guys, I've just been a fuckhead.

Josh: The thing is, what is fresh when you're talking about a cookie?

Candy: Not crunchy.

Josh: And so where surely they can just put ingredients in it that makes it seem fresh.

Candy: I think maybe there's more preservatives in the subway.

Tommy: I'll tell you what's fresh. New York, just near Central Park, there's this cookie place. I'm sure you've been there, Candy.

Candy: I don't normally go and like go hang out at cookie places.

Tommy: No, but there's a cookie place near it. It's like real famous.

Candy: And oh, I know the bagel place that's near it.

Tommy: It's just, they're fat and it's like a piece of cake, but in a cookie.

Josh: Bri was telling me she was listening to our episode with Alex and Mimi.

Tommy: Saba, yak.

Josh: And she was saying, and she was saying, yeah, definitely. Mimi was talking about, oh, you, this great hole in the wall in Venice, talking about it. I was like, oh, really? And Bree's like, you know, you've been there. I'm really bad at knowing where I've actually been.

Candy: Except when I'm there and I can see it, then maybe I know.

Josh: Well, I just, I'm not good with remembering the names or whatever.

Tommy: Um, oh, we got no fact of the day. We need to find a new place where we can get a—

Mason: well, I mean, so we've got some inside information from one of the workers at Subway. They get the dough pre-packaged and frozen, and they put the frozen dough balls into a tray and cook them.

Josh: I mean, that's cookie making, isn't it?

Mason: Well, no, no, but they're not making them from scratch on site.

Tommy: It's so they can make consistent—

Candy: yeah, which means there'd probably be more preservatives in it, and it's not fresh.

Tommy: Yeah, which is definitely— if it's been frozen, it's definitely not fresh.

Josh: No, freshly frozen.

Candy: What about like—

Tommy: yeah, snap frozen. What the fuck? That's like just freshly picked or—

Mason: yeah, that's what, that's what the frozen spinach is.

Tommy: Yeah, the one that you can't put into smoothies without cooking it. Yeah, yeah. Did you do that? No, you're a smoothie gal.

Candy: I'm not. No, I need pineapple.

Tommy: Did you do smoothies?

Candy: No, no, no, always pineapple.

Josh: A juice?

Candy: Yeah, because pineapple, actual fresh pineapples have the only natural anti-inflammatory property of any food. It's really good for your voice. So most— and today's an awesome example. It's the first time in like seriously 5 years that my voice is just— it's gone.

Tommy: Did you tackle a bottle of red like JJ?

Candy: One? No, no. Yeah.

Josh: What would have happened? Do you reckon a difference between one and two?

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: What would you— what would be the main headache? I literally like fell into bed.

Candy: Good call, because I reckon you hit a point and then everything after that's just diminishing returns.

Josh: Yeah, I was watching, actually, I was watching Perfect Holiday and I texted Hamish, Andy, Ryan, guys, this is the best thing.

Candy: You drunk texting?

Josh: Yeah, I was just like, yeah, going just real hard with everyone. I was just like, afterwards, fuck it.

Candy: Did you regret it in the morning?

Josh: No, messaged Ben Fordham about his dad passing away. Just fucking like, just Just messaging everyone.

Candy: Got on the text.

Tommy: Yeah, it's the thing is it's actually how you feel. So you are.

Josh: I was like, it was a bit easier. I'm like, I've been meaning to do this. Mm, fuck, it's been easier.

Candy: I don't know why texting is easier when we're drinking. I'm with you on that. I've been wanting to say that thing for— I'll just say it now.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah.

Josh: I was just like, ah, just bulk. And everyone like wrote back. It wasn't— it was all nice.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah.

Candy: They wouldn't have known.

Josh: Yeah. I mean, it was just like— and I also stand by it was also really good. Perfect holiday.

Tommy: It was a great show.

Josh: Funny, funny. Did you watch it on catch-up?

Tommy: Yeah, I watched that night. It finished at 8:30, I started watching it 8:31. Amazed that I could actually— it actually gave me faith in television. So the networks in Australia, there's very few compared to the States. There's like so many networks. In Australia there's like, what, the big 4? No, 3, 7, 9, 10, plus ABC and SBS, all the digital channels. Yeah, but then they're they're actually making the play, which they have to, into the digital space. So you can watch everything that you wanted, but you don't have to have a TV signal anymore.

Josh: See, Scott Tweedy's finished up on The Loop. Yeah. Yeah. Congratulations, Scott.

Tommy: I can't believe you didn't message him when you were—

Candy: He's moving overseas. He's got a role overseas. Yeah.

Josh: Oh, that's good.

Tommy: I'll text him now, see what's up.

Josh: Yeah. No, have a bottle and then— Oh yeah.

Candy: It feels like— I don't know how TV network stuff works. I know, I know how— I know what time of year everything changes in radio and it's always just before the Radio Awards because otherwise everyone gets drunk at the awards and tells each other everything. But in TV, this must be the time because have you noticed that so many people like Sonia Kruger just left Channel Nine?

Josh: Do you reckon is Sonia going to Big Brother?

Candy: That's a speculation.

Josh: No. Oh, did I hear that from someone?

Candy: I thought the speculation was she's going to Seven, but doesn't Ten have Big Brother?

Josh: No, Seven now has Big Brother. Yeah, I don't know, mate. And was it you that's saying that Australian Open's moving to Channel 9. Yeah.

Candy: So the tennis and the cricket swapped networks.

Tommy: What that deal would be worth is ridiculous. Hundreds of millions.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: They spend so much money.

Candy: That's the only way that sport grows and makes money is through these network deals.

Josh: So I want to understand KO. I nearly pressed subscribe on KO.

Tommy: Was that Sunday night?

Candy: You would have got 30 days free.

Josh: Don't worry. No. Well, the way they do it, they say 15 days free and you can't get out of the first, like You're out of pocket at least $24. It's not one of those ones where if you cancel within the— you can't cancel within your first month or something.

Candy: I have a hack. So, um, I maybe I don't know how much I should say it. Um, Twitch, you guys, are you familiar?

Tommy: Yeah.

Candy: So Twitch is moving very much into the sports space now and building all these relationships and Twitch is free. So I got a Chromecast the other day, attach it to my TV and now I can watch things that are normally only on subscription TV.

Tommy: So people are streaming them on their Twitch account.

Josh: It's legit though, right?

Candy: No, it's totally— I'm not doing anything illegal. It's just that it's available on Twitch.

Josh: Oh, that's good. CNN. So I bought the Apple TV 4K or whatever, um, and because I wanted to do it for Disney Plus and all that sort of thing, all these things that have coming out. And, uh, the— they said CNN on the box because I love a bit of like watching traumatic television. Um, and anyway, not available in Australia. Which I thought was weird. Oh, that's right. Yeah. And so I was like, well, Scott Tweedy, let's move overseas.

Tommy: We're going to go back to the States. We got visas so we can go back.

Josh: We could give it a crack.

Tommy: And I don't think they're not onto us for anything that we did untoward in the States.

Josh: We tried edibles, marijuana. We did that.

Candy: I saw your secret video coming out, but I didn't see the video.

Josh: It actually had more views. It had more views than our normal episodes.

Candy: You teased it quite well.

Tommy: People love a secret. Yeah.

Candy: Yeah. But it's also, it's a good, like, it's a, it's a good one to keep private.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Yeah. Is it?

Josh: Well, we knew it would be career damaging.

Mason: Yeah.

Candy: Well, no, just it's like just another— well, it's just not legal here.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: It was interesting.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: Anyway, we're going to— we won't open that back up.

Tommy: No.

Josh: What, the secret video? The secret video.

Tommy: Look, you know, we're suckers for people who want to see our stuff. So if you email us, hi@thedailytalkshow.com, if you email us, there's a chance you might be able to see it.

Josh: Leave us an Apple Podcast review if you enjoy the show.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: If you didn't like this show, that's okay.

Tommy: Tomorrow we're back.

Josh: Yeah, we're back.

Tommy: And then the following day.

Josh: Every single day. Tomorrow, Adam and Simon from Gogglebox. I was— I wanted to ask them all these questions and they've already told me, they're like, we can't give all the secrets away with how they do Gogglebox.

Tommy: Yeah.

Candy: Reality TV, isn't it?

Josh: Yeah.

Candy: Well, yeah.

Josh: You know, how do you think they do it? Do you reckon there's a camera?

Tommy: That's for sure.

Josh: Because there's some—

Candy: I think there's just cameras set up.

Josh: Do you reckon they press on record?

Candy: They do.

Josh: Yeah. Do you reckon? Or do you think it's like Big Brother?

Candy: Actually, no, I take that back because It's always clear, good shots. And like normal people wouldn't know how to make sure it's definitely set up with the same perfect clear shots. So now I'm not sure. Hmm.

Tommy: Well, tomorrow we're not talking about that with them, but we're talking about a bunch of other stuff.

Josh: Yeah, great. It's a daily talk show. See you tomorrow, guys.

Tommy: See you guys.