#522 – Alex Ikonn & Mimi Ikonn On Taking Responsibility & Designing Your Life/
- November 20, 2019
Alex Ikonn & Mimi Ikonn are two incredibly driven, insightful and successful entrepreneurs and content creators.
Alex and Mimi co-founded Luxy Hair, one of the largest hair extension providers in over 165 countries, and Intelligent Change, known for The Five Minute Journal and Productivity Planner, which have sold more than 700,000+ copies worldwide combined.
Alex and Mimi have not only found success in business, they’ve built incredible personal brands in the travel, lifestyle and fashion space.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
– Lifestyle and Compromise
– Extreme businesses vs lifestyle businesses
– Values & appreciation
– The curse of comparison
– Choosing what you learn and take away from others
– Following your calling
– Taking responsibility for your own journey
– What your vision for the next few years looks like
– Challenging the status quo
– The daily meditation practice
– Gratitude and journaling
Mimi’s website: https://www.mimiikonn.com
Alex’s website: https://www.alexikonn.com
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It's a daily talk show and we're in Los Angeles and we've
got special guests we've included your house Alex icon of maybe icon.
So, Airbnb is just like part of your lifestyle.
If there's one company that should sponsor us is Airbnb because all the time when we travel as you guys probably see, everyone asked us The first is this an Airbnb? Can you send me a link?
I'm going to address the
link because you know, we say for a long time, I'm not gonna expose myself like what we're saying. But we do we can get into but Airbnb is not the only service we actually use a whole variety of services. However, we in the future, there's definitely an icon travels where we're going to probably have houses all around the world to rent out to people or something like that.
I mean, it feels like there's so many things that you're doing and so there's always a opportunities so the Positano example, you create a travel. So you do a travel guide is the intention that when you go there, we're going to do this or do you just are you just travelling around and then it just sort of comes out.
It's just about travelling and doing it mindfully obviously like going to places that are better than the status quo. Like that's what we're always looking for, not to just have a touristic experience but to go to really local cool spots and then once you know all of that, like what's the point of just keeping it to yourself, if you know you can make somebody who's experienced like, once when we were in Positano, we were at this cafe and like this couple came up to us and they're like, literally, we just ordered or you put in your guide, they had like all my milk cappuccino and like whatever, like eggs that I ordered, I can't even remember anymore, but like they had the same exact experience, and they went to all these places that we went to. So it just makes me feel so happy that people can have a great experience as opposed to like those tourist traps. They're in all of the These very popular destinations
that what I want to add on to that like even post on is now the influencer central at me says hey, like we went to Posada like 12 years ago before was like Instagram before there's all there's people all they're just taking pictures. So what we'd love to do is just be able to discover a place and then we do travel currently, like more pop, I guess culture kind of places. But it's still in the way of what we love to do is really providing people that experience Well, we know ourselves is that, as we said, it's curated. You can go you can go to these major cities, LA, New York, Paris and hate it. Yeah, right. It's it because it's a big and people go Why do you go to the same places like do you know, like, you can be going to Paris or even living in Paris, and you still will know all of the cool spots. There's just so much to offer and what we just like to give for ourselves. And this is like I love to really dive in and do a lot of research like for all of our chips for like all of our friends and all of our family like we really Create create you know a curated experience that as because like we have very high standards, just when you start travelling the world and seeing lots of places and staying a lot of places and having also the financial freedom to like, try a lot of places, you also will end up going to a lot of bad places. And the thing is, yeah, for me to spend, you know, 150 $200 and loot and have a bad experience. It's okay. But for somebody else who has earned their hard earned money has been saving their whole year for that, like, I don't want to have that experience and go to like some place I supposed to have five stars. And it's actually crap because they're just like Instagram whole, I felt like this. So there's like, that's what part of it I think
we've worked out in the States, the warning sign of a bad restaurant or somewhere where you're going to get pretty average food. It's the amount of things on the menu, seven pages of food for that's a warning sign. Is there any other telltale signs of somewhere a location, even if it like doesn't seem to be flooded by mainstream, you know, like, yeah, just everybody's there a warning sign.
Think location like if it's usually on a main street is not good. Yeah. It has to have no sign. Like all the cool places are very much a hole in the wall kind of place. Yeah. And then you walk in there. And that's like a whole different world. And that's what people like. I think most people, when you have high expectations and you go to a place you judge it differently rather than when you go to a place and you're like, this is really shady and you walk in like there's a bakery here and then it's cold. Just Just have you guys been. It has no sign like I was Google mapping it and I got there. I'm like, Where is this place? There's no sign you walk in and it's massive. They big they're like, oh, they're like croissants and breads and everything. They're like it's beautiful, full of people like there's such an amazing bars. So places like that are really cool.
Well, thank you. I appreciate it. I mean, you started business and you obviously people want their business to become successful. And you could look at these places on the main street or things that become really popular as they've achieved. A level of success. I mean, for you guys, you've had a bunch of different businesses, is the aim to not have it become super mainstream or Uber popular. Are you trying to
create a boutique spirit? To recreate the like side with Lucky Hey, how do you create a brand that is respected, but also makes bunch of cash?
Yeah, stick to your values. Yeah, that's the most important thing is that as you grow if you compromise on your values, and the main basic philosophy of what built you as a company, and that's what a lot of businesses do, once they grow, and they have to scale, they kind of cut the corners, and they start compromising on their products, service, etc. But if you do that, that's a whole different business. And that's what happens to many of these great restaurants or even some of the fashion brands that like start out really cool. And then once they go mass, and it's just not the same, right? So we never want to be in that position. I think it's understandable, but we also haven't been in those positions where we really scaled I think the the opportunity that exists for a lot of us, you know, anybody who's watching this or listening to this or even you guys is that we live in a world right now. And as well we realised when we first saw our first business and Tim Ferriss and the four hour workweek was really that I think is a best seller to this day. It's really that gateway to changing your mindset that the idea of how we work in our careers is now different, you know, it doesn't have to be that way of life, you know, nine to five, you work in corporate and you move up the corporate ladder, and then you have this lifestyle and you retire and you get a BMW and you get fat. That's kind of and in reality is that now it can be a test. To know I think now even like ourselves, like, one of the example was talking about like, you know, I can financially pretty much buy any car I want, you know, I can buy a Lamborghini, whatever, but I choose to ride like a rideshare bicycle at London. And to me like I really enjoy that even with a website of saying Yeah, you know, it's raining all a couple of my sweater, white boots, my hand will still biking, right? Like, I'll really be sad if I, if I if I can't like I have a change of pants in the office just in case. But what I'm trying to say is that like that idea of like really designing and that's what Tim really would introduce a lot of people is like, how do we as individuals, now with the internet and technology, you can now design our lives, and to be able to build these businesses that can potentially support us and create a lifestyle for ourselves but also for other people. So with you know, our first business was really the tension just to create a lifestyle business. Our goal was just to make 1500 bucks a month. We have really big goals to make a big business or anything like that. And then we really just got into it like into the whole business entrepreneurship. And I think today more than ever, it is so easy to create a business and especially if you follow really, these rules, not rules went to Certain, say guidelines to how, because the benchmark is actually fairly low in the world and more business. And so like we are discovering more and more, we actually have very high standards. And a lot of people appreciate the high standards, but they actually don't have them. So if you as a business, bring something that delivers more value to their customer, you will win it was that you will just take some time. But once enough, people discover you, you will get that audience will just start to build up but you have to have that vision and also system to realise how does just basics of business work meaning, you know, supply and demand market product branding, all that stuff, and then be able to scale so even our businesses, they're very simple. They're not complex businesses, they're not like major businesses. And the reason they're like that is just because we we prioritise our own lifestyle. So we could have, you know, with our previous business Lexi here Even with total changes, like they could have been 10 X of businesses that they are now However, for ourselves we find that we would then sacrifice our life and it's fine you know, but we just in the even being here in LA or America you know, like that's quickly talk to you about guys that's what I think happens to a lot of people they go extreme they're like we have to take over the world and be the richest and the biggest and all that stuff. And then in time you lose your your life you lose your you can literally lose your life you can lose your family, your time where we were able to we really believe you can balance out both Yes, there's times where you hustle and you almost burn out. But you have to keep doing that.
Yeah, I mean, we hear so many storeys like it's quite self aware right to be in the moment thinking that because the amount of success storeys that and it's a crucible moment where they've made all this money and now they need to find the The opposite but then they have the financial means to support the search for the other. It sounds like you were self aware in the moment and had the filter on. How do we create the life What does that filter had? How did you put that lens on?
I think in our first year that we started Lexi, Lexi here, we're very lucky because we made a million dollars like that was never the expectations. Alex just
like cash in the bank.
almost never happens. Right? And we have great we have really great margins with that business. So to me, it was very clear right away that I can have pretty much anything I want financially, like I can buy any bag, I want shoes travel anywhere, but like, it's not what makes me happy. And I feel like a lot of people it will take them longer maybe because people are different, you know. So once I became aware of that I was kind of like on a soul search of what it is that I want to do in life that is meaningful to me every day. And it took Alex a few more years like get a certain number in the bank. Cowan and by a certain car.
Car we have in a garage right now. It's just a white BMW convertible. Yeah.
Nothing too crazy, but you were on the way to being the fat guy.
Me me say get on the bike.
And you get off it.
Three years into the business, we both realised, okay, my name is not what's going to make us happy. It's great that we realise that now because both of us don't come from, you know, from the wealthy families we had very little when we grew up. So we always had this idea that once we have the money, we're going to make it a life right? So we get the most American dream. That way we actually I felt really depressed and lost and anxious. And I realised Okay, this is not what life is about. So what is it about and then it took me another year to figure that out through, you know, going meditation retreats and just spending a lot of time self reflecting, and realising that you know, looking back on my life and looking at my life and when I was actually happy and a was actually moments of struggle in those moments where I might not have had a lot financially but I was helping I felt like I was useful in this world. And for Alex it was and you can tell about your experience
I think just really looking at things from a perspective of you have to you have one of your questions was like how do you really see to that future? How do you have that awareness? And you have to go through that experience you have to you have to like as we did you know, we are as everybody especially in North America like when you come here and if you guys feel like we're in LA right now it's like the epic tome of American Dream meaning people are come out here to LA all over the world to make it and what does that make a Weatherby become a star or and become rich and famous and and all is this dream. But in the reality this dream that was created here in Hollywood is it's false. And you can see how many people who even here in this city achieved his dream and live it and are super happy by yeah They can't admit it to themselves and keep on this treadmill like well I should keep going right and they keep going maybe I need a jet maybe I need a bigger house maybe I need a bigger car and it's like and just more and more and more and more and I think it's it's creeping all over the world. It's very contagious, this style but in reality, you know, I think having that balance of now living in Europe somewhere we talked about, like there is that a finer balance of and not just being so loud about you know, wanting things but actually just being simple and appreciate life in a really if you if you are a use for ourselves and honest with yourself, you're in you the question that I asked myself at that time when we were like kind of in between you know, we do kind of like made it you're financially free. You thought this was going to give you all this happiness. You have to really be honest and we have is our selves a question of was the last time I was genuinely happy. Right now. What's the It thinks like if I do this then I'll be happy if I have this money in the bank
it's a fake reason it is a guilt because I guess you get you get to a position guilty
for having any of it it just really feel empty. For me it's about sharing the experiences with other people like what's the point of having it all? Yeah, just for yourself. Like I don't know for me.
So I'm aligned with within your values, I think
then you reevaluate your values and you really put it in.
Did you find that that was something
and then as a couple because that's important Yeah. Like you're building a life together. But the values your first five to 10 values this the most important thing your life for their businesses, but what are your values? Some of them that I can tell you like one of the highest one is freedom. Right. So that's why the businesses that will build our based on that that we have flexibility and freedom to travel be with each other's spent With our child, family, family friends, like I never want to be the slave to my business because you can be a slave to your business just like you would be to a corporate job, right? So every decision we make has to be aligned with all of our primary values. Gratitude is another one,
like in terms of like a value, like, I think, why it's so important to us even to be grateful. And we have, you know, creative products around us that we really see that appreciation, like, whether it be even ourselves and people around us when we appreciate ourselves, you know, but we also appreciate other people in our lives. It just feels better. Like, you know, like, I just feel, you know, especially when you have friends and if you if we're, I think we're always as people is trying to do good, well being in relationship or you as a as a as a father or a mother, or just as a friend, just being there supporting thing and if somebody just show their appreciation says you know, like, hey, Joshua, you know, Tom, thank you for just being My friend and for hanging out with me and bringing this out to me right away, you just feel better.
And you want to do more want to do
you feel appreciate like if for all the you know, even the staff we had one of the you know, as you interview people you always ask like, why did you leave that job? And one of the say the most answers that we get, like I didn't feel appreciate and know they can be getting paid well, they can be a great organisation, but if they're, if they're not appreciative, or someone's done, being grateful to them, then they want to leave. So those are like some of the values but it really just comes down to to the basics of of your life and really questioning you know, being really like you. What I'm trying to get to with you guys and anybody really listening is that don't care what other people think, you know, like I think so many of us because we're social animals and social creatures. We're very conditioned to were conditioned to care what you know what your community is going to say where your family is going to say what your Friends are going to say, and you have to be honest with yourself, like how does it feel to you? For example, I'll give you one example. I proposed to me when we're broke, unemployed, early 20s, early 20s. I was 21. All my friends thought I was that literally they're like, What the hell are you doing? This is stupid. You have all your 29
That was just out. That was kind of what they want to communicate. Like, you're making a mistake. Yeah. And I'm like, Am I making mistake? A lot of times, our parents can talk us out of stuff, either like taking a leap into entrepreneurship or being in a relationship, or even be hanging around with certain friends. But you have to ask yourself is do I feel this is the right decision. And for me, for example, let's say even proposing to me me and committing is so early was the best decision I've ever made. us also not going back to corporate and starting business making that Trying to create a lifestyle business I had conversations it was serious business people and entrepreneurs will laugh literally laughed at me and said this is not possible for you to be on the beach while you make money like that's a pipe dream. And you know and I said even now like right here you guys awesome Gary Vee and Gary Vee will say the same thing. You have to hustle your brain off. I totally get it. I'm black and white. But however, we believe that there's there's a once you expand your mindset and this is not like like secret affirmations, all that stuff, those things work, what it's constructive, where you can balance out. It's important to have expand your mindset and create a bigger vision for yourself. And the way you do that is become self aware with yourself. Because what we believe in is that and this is what I've learned, you know, you have a child as well like when when our daughter was born Alexa First day, and now she's three years old, I can tell you, she's the same person. Like, you can sense that there's a certain amount of soul in that in all of us. And that just exists you here. Like, everyone who's listening who's watching, you have your own journey, and no one's gonna like, I can tell you what you need to do. Like, you can't tell what other people need to do. Everyone has to go through their own journey and have to, they have to question themselves and what feels right to them.
I try to tell my son what to do and he doesn't have it.
Yeah, well, I guess what we're trying to say is like why we feel really passionate about this is that we really believe that if once you align to like, as you said, your values and your your kind of inner calling because like what feels good, and I think that's the whole idea was like as also exploring, even with us, for example, you know, you said we're travelling, one of the reasons why we travel so much and To create basis for ourselves, like we still haven't figured out where we're going to live. Yeah,
to be honest, it will feel like a pro because I've got a mate who's got a couple of different citizenship. So whatever amazing, but it creates a lot of pressure for him because he's like, Where do I want to live? One One day?
harder? Yeah. And
so have you found that his work out what to leave, like, where to leave, like, he'll go to Barcelona. And we're meant to be just going there for a trip and he's like, Okay, I'm checking out a few apartments that might move here.
And I think,
because we're very privileged, obviously, to have that kind of life. Now, I don't come from that, you know, like, for the first 16 years of my life, I didn't even get on the aeroplane. So to me, this truly is a dream come true to be in a place like that. But also you realise the world is quite small, you know, in a way, you won't be aligned with every place in the world and you're not going to have a desire to go live everywhere. But there will be a certain places that sort of speak to who you are as an individual where you can See yourself living and
what I want to add on to that is released expanding your mind I think even let's say maybe your friend the idea that you will have to Bailey be a billionaire or millionaire to think like that. I think the world that We're now entering that is more global that has that where technology enables you know, people will listen to this all over the world and also with commerce, you can really do it all over the world and now you don't need to be in a certain place you're aiming to have a you know, an office in a certain place you can operate you know, if through this distribution distribution distributed team and with with that, once you have to expand your mindset to think bigger, and that you can also have these opportunities and that you can be a digital nomad living in Bali and and travelling the world and only making, you know, 4050 grand a year. That's possible and you know, you can have even Simon the UTM have to be an entrepreneur, you can still be a freelancer and be able to do that. And it's just that ability to shift your mindset that, hey, you don't have to be stuck in Oklahoma somewhere in a small town and that's that's where you're born is where you have to be the whole life. And this is the beauty of the world that we're entering. And then I guess the also the challenge of of this time is that to be able to, to expand your mindset and be free and not everyone has that choice. I think a lot but at the same time, a lot of people in places like Australia, or US or Europe or Canada be especially here in the US, I think they're really don't value what their US passport or any of these countries that I've listed their passport allows you like, if you're in Syria, you can't leave the only room where we come from. I'm from Russia and he was from Azerbaijan. Our passport. You can't unless you get like a visa approval. You can't like it With our Canadian passport, I just show up here. Yeah, like you like literally I just show up.
Right I'm Australia. Yeah. Well I remember Neil Strauss has a book emergency and he talks all about like, what the billionaires do with it Yeah, I just got obsessed with I got like I applied for a green card lot like did the Green Card Lottery and all that sort of
thing. They have multiple
yet but the thing is that it was like, I look back I was like 21 at the time, and the main reason was talking about consumerism was Australia didn't have amazon prime. Yeah. realise that that's not really a reason to move.
It's a little bit shitty, but I still have in
Yeah. Do you do you guys when you come to different countries to Don different masks or do you feel like you're actually different as people when you're in every place you go to has
an impact on you like when we go to Paris, I feel like dressing differently and ordering different things. Um, I don't know, it's just like you feel different. And that's the incredible thing about travelling is that it changes something inside of you. And once you leave that place, you're just never the same person. And I think that's the biggest gift you get from travelling and just expands your mind. It makes you feel more connected to other human beings were living in this other country who speak different languages had a different upbringing, but yet you have like some sort of a connection because we're this we're all the same humans, you know? So yeah, for me, it's truly like the best way to spend time is to go and visit new places.
I think the curse of comparison is real for a lot of people. And I think it'd be true to say that people with less might even have it even more than others. Yeah, when
we went to Nepal years ago, I'll never forget we went to this like little village in like near Chitwan their national park and like people were so happy they're little living in little huts with little Like no windows no door whole family in this tiny little house like it's basically a room but so happy and smiling like genuine smiles no shoes on these kids feed but they don't know it like they don't know any better so because they're not comparing
they also like it was the first time I've actually come across it's probably more rare now where you say you want to take a picture of somebody and you can see they actually haven't never been faced with a camera wow
and like they have this genuine expression it's like mind blowing
pausing like then you said change what happens is
they just have no real
presence. Yeah, I think now is probably disappearing. Even Apollo's probably hard now. A lot of people do child in the Paul that was some time ago. And it was a very remote place. Neon put that that's the beauty of just the world and travel and everything that has to bring But I think to also add on to what you're saying about I think we come from Soviet Union you know both Me Me and myself used to be a big in place and you know, people around the world thing this is former Soviet former Soviet but people would judge this place as well as this cold place and all that stuff. In reality I look at my childhood where we literally You know, there wasn't a lot of options you don't have options for clothing or a comparison it's like you have those same shoes and the same candy and very limited choice and maybe you have like oranges for Christmas. And like if you're lucky, maybe you'll have a banana someday. And you I literally remember when Western candies like Snickers came and the my family would split one Snickers into four pieces. And and over like tea or something like that and we'd be so Snickers is amazing. And what it's like now you can buy his sneakers that you St.
Nick is DF in the fridge.
What I'm trying to say is that I remember those times and part of being content is that there is less of that comparison. And I like my favourite quote that we was talking about comparison is the thief of joy. And, and this is why it's important to have that self awareness and to understand like, it's okay that we understand that we live in a consumers system and how we've evolved like one of our favourite books of all time is Sapiens by evil no hurry because I think that book is important for everyone to read, because it will help you understand how we as humans got to this point now, because a lot of us don't really comprehend and understand like, how do we like monkeys evolved to the state where we are now? You know, comparing ourselves taking pictures on Instagram talking some devices here filming ourselves with cameras, yeah.
What at the core of everything we're still human and we're the social animals who want to bond so
if you think about it's like space if I think about it so much
so content consumption there Yeah. What you can chew my guests can start to dictate how you mentioned fine that you go in and out of the types of content so obviously, I feel like everyone goes through it like that Gary Vee thing about the early days and then you sort of it you get it and you understand that so I can I need something else now.
What are you consuming in 2019?
Very little To be honest, I am very mindful about what I consume because I because I'm very hands on with my raising my daughter, I have very little time and the time that I have, I'm usually creating. So when it comes to consumption, it's basically I consume a little bit through Instagram, but I'm barely ever on YouTube, to be honest.
A lot. content. I don't have time for it right now, I heard you say, on your podcast that it could be the it's the addiction the opposite way the addiction to checking your feed, in addition to creating and putting out Yeah, that's true.
I'm more addicted to the you didn't really expand on that
focusing on the
addiction because most people cannot relate to I have a problem. Not a problem I know.
So do you think there is do you think it's as detrimental? If you just Yes, he'll create? Yeah, because then you're not present,
right? You're consciously thinking I can be honest about the fact that I do this, like, Oh my god, what am I going to create next? What do I need to share next? It's like this inner drive. I truly enjoy it. And I feel like it gives me purpose to know that I can share something with my audience that can make them smile. I can teach them something maybe a recipe maybe I show them a new place. Maybe I share a quote, but it makes me feel good knowing that I can share something so is it external is addicting?
Yeah. But then I think is it external pressure or people know saying that you're creating too much or is it internal
internal? Okay, no, its internal because I always questioned myself and I, I want to make sure that it's not from a place of an addiction. Where I can go, let's say I've what I've implemented recently, like for the last two months is I have one day where I don't post anything. 24 hours, I don't check anything. I don't post anything. I really feel I feel great. I feel amazing. I feel so much more present that day. Like, I don't have that rush like because it's like a certain type of adrenaline. That's constantly going through your blood. Were you thinking, like you're looking out for content, whether you realise it or not.
Or like, I want to share this like this can be helpful,
maybe use on those days from a partner. It's quiet
It's been quite a minefield 24 hours as
a consumer, I would
say. So in terms of to answer your question of what am i consuming now is that, you know, the only sponsor that we do is audible. And I'm really grateful that they sponsored us as because I love I love audio books, you know, and the reason even you know, people might be thinking, how did these guys know so like, so much of the things they talk about selling these are our ideas, you know, none of the, you know, the things that you really know are your own. We're all it's all pass on all the things that we we learn from and I was just I think we're living the incredible time and just like hands, if you there's you can waste a lot of your time, but you can also really grow as an individual and and can really enrich your life by expanding your mind with some of the greatest minds out there. And this is why I said like a book like Sapiens by evil nor Harare. I could just incredible or even something a little different. It can be let's say alchemists right by Paulo Coelho different book or mastery of love by Don Miguel Ruiz like very different books. These are named me some of the names that you know, these are some of our favourite audio books and books that has allowed us to think differently because the power of content, even like this podcast, is that it can change somebody's life by changing their perspective. And this is why we always focus on mindset, because once your mind grows, it can't go to the same place like once you gain awareness and you start thinking differently, you it's hard for you to go back into a box
whenever I'm watching you maybe on social media, I'm always craving fruit. the freshest fruit you've got away have described like this page, you got to taste this page. I'm on the beach and this is amazing. And one of those patches
Yeah, like maybe we take him for granted because we're not thinking about the pitch time slot. Yeah, I want to pitch right now.
What's the fruit like in the US? Do you think?
I think European for the best? Yes.
Like specifically Spain, Italy, Portugal, like, everything grows there. You know, it's amazing.
Alex was talking before the podcast started about our commitment to creating content, which is seven days a week we we put out seven episodes of the podcast, we at least have a couple of days off. We pre record a few of the weekend. But you have a counter thought to what we do around hashtag
push back, push back. Yeah.
Yeah, I just think right now what you're doing isn't isn't per se it wrong. Right. I think
that's what I was to connect to. What I was saying earlier is that we're all on our own individual journey. You got to do what you gotta do, and most Probably what you feel is the right thing to do. If there's an inner drive that's calling you to make content for the next 10 years for every single day, and then
we have the domain name, the daily talk show.com
days a week, you know, what phases are on. That's what my goal for that is actually. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I think it's just it. So number one, always, don't listen to anybody else. Don't listen to me. Don't listen to me, me. Don't listen to anybody. Honestly. You can, you can still listen be open to what they're saying. But in regards to then being absorbing it to yourself and say, does this apply to me? Is do Is this something that I can take away and learn from? That's another thing that I really want to encourage a lot of people you know, listening or watching this right now is that, you know, people are especially now this whole walk movement and things like that. It's like things are not black and white. Right? No one is perfect, right? Like it's very important to understand that no book you're going to read no person gonna listen to is perfect. However, there's always things you can take away for yourself from certain individuals, the good and the bad. So this is how we learn, like, you know, let's say Tony Robbins people say, oh, like he had this article come out about how he's whatever the woman, whoever created that, you know, I take from that individual, there's certain things that I've learned from him that has allowed me to become a better person, for example, had practising gratitude in the morning, right? And that practice by itself has allowed us to then move on to create a product like the Five Minute Journal, right? That was that was one of the main inspirations. So people can talk bad all they want about a certain individual, but like I said, no one is perfect, and there's something good you can take away from those individuals. So for yourselves as well, as you guys, you know, explore whatever avenues. I think the most important thing is really, as you're working is figuring out what works what doesn't and then really counterbalances like look at Casey nice that you know, he's become who he is who he is because of his daily blocks, you know, now that he's you know, made it and he's sold one of his companies and he's financially free. He's not actually trying to do less than do him on and and it's great that he's actually having that awareness to to actually think of like, is this actually productive for me to just keep going at that same pace as out as I keep getting off the hamster wheel? Yeah so so for you yourselves like maybe you do have to go through this experience for for a period of time like the same thing that you saw like you know, when people listen to this mean, but Oh, it was all easy for them. No, there's periods of course were like when we worked from morning till night and even two in the morning three in the morning all that stuff there. I remember those days and there were glorious. Yeah, like I know, honestly, I like i if i can tell you even those period after when we kind of made it and we ourselves a question When was the last time I was generally happy when when I was broke on the come up, you know, making it like really grinding that was the most important thing. So even now like having that opportunity like you know last year we sold one of our businesses we now have an opportunity we bought out our business partner from our intelligent change business we have full control that business and we're excited to you know, grow that team again, grow that business again to create again, just for that opportunity of that journey of really creating something and and I'm really connected to even you guys is that that's the most beautiful thing is follow your, you know, it's cliche to say passion for your interest, and follow whatever is calling you, whatever that feels right. If you're doing something that you have resistance towards and it's making you literally sick, maybe and it's not healthy, then you then you should really read just your life. However, if you're doing this daily thing and you're fired up and you're excited because you get to meet other people you get to interact, you got it, you get to hang out with your mates and, and have fun. Do it. Again, who says who was right? So I think the most important thing, the most important message I really want to tell to you guys or anybody listening or watching is really, you are your own navigation, your guide your compass, like that's what the reason we are here now as as individuals, we're also as a couple and we've been able to create the life that we we've created is simply because we're always trying to navigate our compass and when we get swayed by other people, or it can be sometimes you know, you come to a place like Las Vegas from you or maybe I should have this massive house in Beverly Hills or something or get a yacht when I'm in the south of France or something like that. But you're like really like is that important to me? And that's that is go and go and do it but you at the end of the day, you really have to be honest to yourself and ask what is important to you? And what will make you
and I will add to that is like, are you doing it for yourself? Are you doing it to impress others? Do this one of the most important questions to ask questions to answer. Whenever you're doing anything in life
period. Do you think that so the advice around lifestyle or even there is that school of thought of saying no, not saying yes to everything? It feels like there's a point in your life where you have to say yes, and you have to wear lifestyle isn't the main factor. So I'm 29. Now Tommy's What do you 3131 10 years, we're still gonna be really young in 10 years time. So part of it is it's like we can do this for them potentially the gain in the future. Do you think that younger people saying the lifestyle content and maybe underestimating those times that you guys were working really hundred percent,
I think hundreds I think even as we people apply to work with us, and we do in views it's funny though, like, why do you want to work with us? Well, I'm so inspired by your lifestyle I want to have your lifestyle like yeah, you know you shouldn't want like you know, I just said you you can be part of that journey to help you learn from kind of working with us how you can potentially get there. And the most important bit is to realise is that for our friend also car loco and a poet, he wants told me know he he's comes from, you know, Brixton in London, very now it's more of a gentrified, becoming more gentrified can use but before it was like, a lot of gang violence, things like that. It's where he grew up. And huge role. You know, I met him through virgin charity, big chain charity. We're on the hike with like billionaires and things like that. And I remember because we come from similar backgrounds. I remember he told me he's like, Alex, like, you know, everyone has climb a mountain. You know, everyone, the billionaires and us, people just get different trails.
We took Runyon this morning.
Running us right, wherever everyone has to climb, everyone in their life will have to climb some sort of a mountain. People that just have get they get born, they're on a different trail. You know, our daughter Alexa is on the easier path. But that easier path may have its own kind of different kind of challenges. Some people get the really hardcore trail where you might die. Like it's really hard to get to the top. And how I'm trying to connect this who's really helping everyone understand is that they have their own journey to go on. And once you understand and stop comparing your journey to other person's journey and you can just focus on like, this is my show. There's no point of me bitching about why am I not on this easy trail and I have this hard one but you just get you understand this is your path, and that you still like I said, the connection is as he says, Everyone's still has to climb a mountain, everyone's still going towards the same thing. People just have a different path. And you're on a different path, but don't bitch about your path versus other path. So with a lot of younger people now, they're like, I want to be on the easy path. Right? And I just want to be already on top or I want it or how come I look at Alex, me, me and they're just travelling all the time. Like Dom I'm sharing with you. My life is boring when I'm standing, you know, here on my meetup set up this and just looking to the screen all day. It's not that exciting, right? Hey, here I am. Again, you know, like working most of the time when I'm just in the office in London and it's raining. I'm just working. I don't share that. And I think
when people say,
Well, you should share that
bullshit. Because the more if I share that all the days where I'm just in my office and working, you're going to turn off that's not what people are signing up for. People are still they want the aspirational content. Like you know, it's funny when people say a message like yeah, watch the real is. No, nobody wants real. It's like the reason why people You it just same thing EY. Sapiens is such a great book because there's just really outlines human psychology. Like, I remember, even in our business, same things like, year over year, you see statistics and you see how, you know, you get, let's say 10,000 visitors, visitors and this amount of visitors like by, and I'm always like curious about that, like, how come it's always this percentage. And what that really communicates is that we as humans, we're we're still fairly predictable, a fairly basic and if you if you if you match certain criteria, this is the result you get tweak a certain criteria, you will get a different result. And that's why it's so important for a lot of everybody and I think young people, it's, it's everybody trusting the young people. I think it's it's, maybe they want it easy. The older people are just thinking they already missed the boat. Everyone has their own excuses and reasons. All I can tell you from my own personal experience is that you have to Do what you have to do with the situation's you have dealt hence my analogy before with the mountain, just focus on your path and focus on what you got to do. Both me me me me and I are from immigrant families I have you know a single mother when my father like died when I was a teenager I my stepfather passed away a year later like there's a lot of messed up saying things that happened you know like we're always poor world what welfare in the times awesome and now we get to live this life. People can look at me just one thing and just think oh, he has it easy. He's probably some like Trust Fund kid. white privilege mail all that stuff. No, I had to go through my own struggles and I had to do what I had to do to create the life that I have. But the most important thing that I did is not once again Bish, complain about my life. And most important thing that I've ever done in my life that I recommend for everybody to do is take responsibility for your own life. Because that the moment I took responsibility for my own life all changed because I Self comparison comparing myself to other kids or other people, and I started focusing on my own journey, what I gotta do to get out of the situation that I'm in, right? Whether it be in relationship, whether it be a financial job, university, whatever you got to do, and life just becomes easier. Isn't it? Still hard Hmm. But at least you're not wasting your time comparing and waiting and wasting your energy on somebody else's life. And I think what a lot of us do nowadays through Instagram, whatever things is, we're living vicariously through other people. You know, you so you say you want on the policy, Donald show? Yeah, that we kind of maybe inspired you to notice that we inspire so many people to go to. However, you know, you're going to have your own experience and you still have to do it and you're going to end even when you go and even if you do the same things that we we told you to do. You will still have your own ideas. You also have your experience and your an overall feeling that you will have based on your history. All that stuff. And that's the beauty of life is we're unique individuals, and we have our own unique journeys. And I really believe that once you take responsibility for your own journey, it that's when life just changes and your mindset begins to expand.
What did you think of the process on that trip?
That was amazing. Yeah.
Yeah, we went to a lot of the, there was one place, it's like the organic. I don't know. Like, it's the place where it's all why. Yeah, my girlfriend's very good with all the names and stuff, because I can travel to places multiple times cuz I can't remember anything. And so I'm excited. I'm actually excited to go back.
What we go back?
what's what's like, a big life question. You both asking yourselves at the moment.
Where should we live?
Yeah, that's probably at the moment. That would be the most important one, but I think we're getting close to the end.
Yeah, I think Yeah, definitely. And I think it's for us as we talked about before, it's more about
the amazing thing about
You know we were big believers as ourselves is that once you create a vision for how you're going to live your life so you know we do this exercise where we plan out you know three to five years of how our life looks like you know from just everyday where we live who are our friends what kind of work do we do like we we really get really clear and say a very important exercise to do because it will help you really expand your mindset of what is possible Where do you want to go and you sound like you know you're living on the moon or you're now in those Beverly Hills hundred million dollar mansion like let's not go crazy well it what's within the realm and the next three to five years for you Inc is still stretch it not be too realistic. However, once you start doing that, and we've done it a couple times, and we've realised those things you're like episode now the big life questions like oh snap like this. This is real life. We can actually manifest and create our reality once we actually also do the work and do the actual stuff behind the vision. But like, we have to be careful like this, we're actually going to realise this. And so the question now is really what's next and how and and I highly recommend for for people to do this exercise themselves you know you without just it's better have some sort of a vision some sort of direction that you're going towards then no vision our own now say most people have no vision for themselves in the future. They have no goals whatsoever, niche kind of like, haphazardly going through life and then same thing they they will be she can play and how the one percenters are taking over the world and have, what they don't have and things like that. It's the wrong focus. The people are who are 1% or 0.1%, of whatever that is and the syphon has to be will financial but even just living a better life because I also I feel like we should put a lot of emphasis on attention about, you know, maybe some great fat a family living out in some neighbourhood in Australia who have great friends and you know, barbecue on the weekend and just have fun and have loving relationships and hug their kids and just have a good time. Those people are also realising living their dream, right. And that can be your vision, your vision can just be having a normal life, as La travelling the world and just me know having good friends around you and a good community and you know, playing basketball on the weekend, whatever that is for you. And getting clearer to that and refining and as you go, we'll just enable you to to create your life and I think that's the most exciting part about life. And that's why we're here is that we're all figuring out figuring out and we're just taking day by day, and it's truly amazing what we can create, once we be king have that awareness. Not only Lives towards creating the future in the future self that you have. And we can all redefine ourselves, you know, even looking back on my journey, I mean, these journey, it's like, I'm so grateful that I took those choices, those risks and those risks if you need to, to be able to create what we have now, and and it's not like you won't know the picture right away. But it just takes one day at a time and you really realise it.
Well, it feels like there's some universal dreams or aspirations that people have Tommy and I always talk about, you know, homeownership, I know that his family that's a big thing. Bry and I don't have not planning on having kids. Were a little bit more sort of loose with those sorts of things. homeownership for you guys, how do you how do you think about it
myself? Before we asked her that question, same thing, I think it's very important you start questioning all these cultural things. A car owning a home going to school, the event getting married, like all these things, question everything. Like I think it's very important for individuals to really question Why are we doing this thing like getting an engagement ring, you know what, you know, getting a diamond ring for whatever
like crazy, right? Like on Google, it's like okay, it needs to be X amount of
people follow that. Right? Like it's like we need a guide to follow.
girlfriend for 12 years. I just can't work like every time I google abandon gay like it's just so complicated. I just can't do it. It can't work it out.
I think I think this is where we have to redefine a lot of the culture. Yeah, a lot of the happiness No, I'm just the same thing. That's why I'm really grateful to have me as my partner and that we're both open line that says agree, of course, I get to have, you know, a partner who's like, I want a diamond ring. I don't know, that you're questioning about this stuff. Because she's, she's bought into the culture. Yeah. Right. That's what happens. So it's, and I think it's important to you know, that's why matrix was such a great movie, it was so popular is because I think it really in subconsciously, we all know the truth. You know, we all understand that this is all a game, you know, we understand that this is not forever and and it's not to get a little too existential or anything, but it's once you're able to redefine life like that, that's when you're able to actually live life on your own terms because I think is just had the most people that what happens with homeownership, right. It was even asked for that question. Yeah, why and why I'm so grateful. We've been invited to that. stream. It's like we're going to not own a home forever. Yeah. But the whole idea of home ownership and mortgages and all that stuff and that this true American Dream is just tie you down. What you realise once you start being global citizen is that each country, you're a cog in the machine, your resources at
fake safety, because I guess like a lot of people, the narrative is
your face. It's not at all No, it's like, it's I think you touched on something very important. Everyone's scared. I'm scared ever. The underlying thing is fear. Right? And society will want to try to make you How can they make you feel safe to certain degree to sell you on something? Right? A lot of marketing's fear based right it's it's easier to sell somebody on on losing losing something versus gaining so we've got like four levels of travel insurance like when we got the car rental car, they're like, do you have the what was one though getting us on this the state? Yes, I
was lucky if we hit somewhere.
So what I'm what I'm trying to say even with this example is that even home ownership is that for us, because we you know, like this is the vicious cycle that most people get into. You go to school, especially if you have to pay for school. Right if I'm not talking about you living in Scandinavia and getting paid to go to school do that. I'll do that for sure. Yeah, right. But if you are here in the States, I you have to go to school, you have to take out loans and that wherever you are, whether you go in state out of state and province out or province, and you're going to get 50 hundred thousand worth of debt, just because when you just step into the workforce, I don't think that's a smart move. You're already starting losing. Right and then the same thing when you do when you get a house. There, sir, certain fixed costs that come in with buying a property Right, and it's this and those fixed costs is like your overhead, you're going to have that forever. So you to make your money, you can definitely make money on real estate. But it's going to take you at least five to 10 years, or if everything goes well, for you, for you to do that, and a lot of people going to speaking back and connecting to that fear. A lot of people have that fear of, well, if I'm just renting, I'm just throwing money away.
Rent money's didn't Money, money,
money, yeah, around money is dead money. So for us, the way we think about it is like number one, you're the four renting you getting experience, you figure yourself out. So before it for example, I know that once we have a home, or once we buy a home, we were like real estate agents don't like us. And the reason they don't like us, because we're so certain. So if we're looking for a property right now to rent or buy or like it's this street, this side of the street, these houses, right, and they're like, well, but not right We already know, right? Because why? Because the reason we already know is because we've had so many experiences we've moved through rushing. Yeah, we moved almost every year and a lot, not a lot. We moved almost every year, like for last seven years. And it's it's it's not fun for a lot of people and, and for us by nature we're very adventurous that's why we can travel and even now we're in LA for like, seven weeks. Right like but we're able to do that because we the way we design our life and and and the freedom that we have. And as we said as Mimi said in the interview earlier which is so important, what are your top values, if safety is your tongue value, maybe it's maybe home is the right thing for you because you're like, I don't care to discover myself and I know this is like the neighbourhood where my parents grew up and this feels safe to me and this is where I want to be I like we met somebody today ladies like I was in this neighbourhood was six years old. She's 70 Now she got love it. That's where I grew up and my kids grew up in She's great, that's cool for her. For us, another value of us value of ours is really being able to have different choice, you know, having variety in our lives, we like to have new experiences. And because that is a bigger value to us, to us is better to pay rent, because it offers us more of an experience and flexibility and other value flexibility. So it's it to really summarise everything that we're trying to say is, after this podcast, define your values, like really sit down and think about like, what is important to me, maybe this safety, maybe it is or it maybe it's, you know, whatever you you think of what your value is that if you don't know what values are Google it, and then Mark, Mark, the one that speaks to you. And once you align to your values, you're able to make better choices. So with home ownership or renting I'm really glad we didn't buy a home and we
sold it because like we're like we don't care about move to England. So we bought one the hassle of renting it out and having to like worry about the tenants are, but something I'll add to the home ownership and just ownership of any type of material goods, something that I've always been aware of. Not sure where this wisdom comes from maybe past life, maybe this life, but just realising that you're not here forever on planet Earth. Anything you own here you don't really own, you're still just renting. Even if you have that paper that says you own it, you're not here forever. If you're lucky, you're here for 100 plus years, maybe with new technology a little longer, but you don't own anything. So just accept that realise that and then go back to the values like for me, like, I don't really own anything. So like, I'd rather use use them money to have like Alex said more variety and more freedom. And if one day it makes more sense to own. There's nothing wrong with owning But don't be sold the wrong idea.
Yeah. Where does luck fit into the equation? Or doesn't for you guys?
I think there's serendipity. I like the word more than luck. Like being in the right time with the right preparation and opportunity here and you know, but there's definitely a certain level of like things coming together. And I think that definitely played a role in our lives. But without the hard work and persistence. None of it is going to work. So what's more important,
I think, yeah, to add on to that is, luck is major and the serendipity is a better word. Definitely. I agree with that. And with however, I really believe you make your own luck. Exactly. And what I mean by that is you
have to see that it's around. People don't see it like opportunities come to them even maybe you're single and this girl is like a friend of yours, but like you don't see that this could be a potential girlfriend. So it's up to you to see this serendipity the luck that you already do have in your life. connects to gratitude like being grateful for what you already have rather than constantly wanting some new things in your life.
What's been the most serendipitous moment for you? Me Me?
Oh my god so many but like one that stands out the most was years ago when before even will move to London. I tweeted something about my favourite author Paulo Coelho, like I gronk reading his books. Have you read any of this book? Yeah, I know. I know. The Alchemist was like my Bible. You know, like, I love that book, because it talks about that adventure and like believing in something bigger than yourself and following your heart and following your dreams. So he to me, he was like the biggest inspiration. And then he had a new book, I tweeted about it, and then he tweeted me back. And then he gave me Skype. We like chat and on Skype, and he said, when you move to Europe, because we're in the process of moving to London, then he said, just like, come and visit me and we did and we had like dinner at his house. Like, I met him in person. That was like the coolest thing that like just serendipitously happen or the internet. Unlike not we're friends never thought I mean, that was the dream. So like that happening to me shows that there's definitely something magical out there in the universe that we don't know about. But it's there.
Yeah, I definitely think the searching having that lens on to find the things and connect the dots is important. Like just we bumped into, well, I just went like, I want a coffee before this. And I went into a bluestone line, and I bumped into a YouTuber who I've been following for years and which one, Jessie? He rides the magic happens. And I was thinking, I actually was in my messages, crazy human message yesterday, and I was like, once in that, and then I bumped into him, and I went up. He's gonna come on the podcast at some point, but, you know, we've created this opportunity to come to you and be in this place is not me. That happens, but I'm still I'm always looking for that kind of stuff.
You still make it is why I said you make your own luck today. certain degree is you have to show up. Yeah, you know, it's like I always love the anecdote of like, you know, this guy kind of waited his whole life to, or it was like it was either to win the lottery or something like that and he gets to heaven. He's like God like I wished for, you know, to become rich and win the lottery. He's like, you didn't buy the ticket? You know? So it's like, it's like the same thing. It's like I can't like God or university whatever magical power that you believe in. won't do anything for you. That's why with a lot of this, you know, secrets like a lot of people may look at us and think oh, we're like vision. We talked about creating your vision or creating your vision boards, setting goals, all that stuff. But then those have number ones are just exercises to really make your mindset like change up your mindset and create just your vision work on that. So you are your exercise and like, what can I do? What can I create And then you have to follow through with the actual work to get there and figure out, Okay, this is my vision, this is where I want to go, how do I get there, you then reverse engineer to how you're going to get to that place. But setting the vision is just step one. And then step two, step three, step four, is the follow through.
I was thinking this podcast that we do is it's a serendipity machine. Because we show up daily, yeah, and we create and the amount of opportunities that come from taking the action daily actually has been amazing. I know you've got the Five Minute Journal, which that's a everyday practice. What's something for you guys that you've Other than that, because I'm sure here each day spending that what's one practice that you implement daily that is made massive change for you?
For me, I would definitely have to say it's meditation. It's just in the world that we live in. Now. There's just so much information. There's so much input, right? So you just have to find time to just sit still and be calm, without any interruption. Meditation is really doesn't matter what you practice. There's so many apps out there. I mean, I do Vipassana meditation.
So apparently Hamza Yogananda Yeah,
serendipity, look this this house already rented, it's cool that they have no and what happens was a lot of times, you know, based off that we pick houses where they have a lot of they're into the same stuff we're into. aside, we bought that bread butter with us was here,
I would have like, you know, bucks, and stuff like that. So it was my mom's Guru is para Miranda, you're gonna she's a yoga teacher. And so I saw that as soon as I walked in.
I think the reason you notice that book is because you're aware of Oh, yeah.
And this is my son would know, he says, He calls him yoga Manda,
two and a half year
old Amanda. This is what this just kind of dictates how important it is to work. And this will meditation will also help you to work on that awareness of certain things. And this is why it's important to have that awareness what content you consume, how you think about your life, your thoughts, your words. Like all the shapes are life this is why we've created the 500 trial we created the genre for ourselves because we the understand that if you frame your you know the the way the $500 works is that you solve I'm grateful for you talk about your gratitude care already framing your day and you're starting out with feeling good. You're already starting with what you have what you appreciate I'm grateful for right I'm grateful to wake up I'm grateful have wake up next to a beautiful woman by name and Mimi next to my bed. You know, like, I'm grateful to go to work today. And then next question is will make today great. And then that second question once again, you're framing and you're visioning what's going to make was gonna be good about your day. And most people they're not framing their day like what's gonna what's great going to happen to me. They don't believe in that has the traffic in a bit. Yeah, exactly. So it's your it's your intentions, your expectations. And then the last one is like your affirmation. I am and that's a very powerful thing once you actually start reinstating and affirmation of who you are and creating that image of yourself. You will with your communicating to your inner navigation system like this is where you need to go. And same thing like the reason I bring this up the reason if you be somewhere like there's a lot of people that come through those house, not everybody sees the Yogananda book, you know, you saw it because you're aware of it. And that is something that you you can now see. And there's and that's why we always communicate to people how important it is to practice gratitude and this whole so if you go to answer your question, one practice that and habit I've created you without using the 500 journalists is what it did before the Five Minute Journal is just simply as soon as you wake up think of one thing that you're grateful for. and gratitude helps you it's actually scientifically proven and proven how it's, it shifts your vibrations. You know, there's there's also a thing called heart math Institute, you can look into it, but it's legit like your heart rate variability will change when you are feeling grateful. And if you start your day, that way, you will start to also shift your reality. So with that, you know, I test so much of what we have in our lives. It's simply because we're grateful for it. And the way if you want to also connect spirituality, all that stuff, it will just be simple. For the for the people in your lives for the friends or even your family. If you have somebody in your life that's ungrateful, do you want to do things for them or be around them or be around them now, however, when you have somebody around you who is grateful who is appreciative, like isn't that a person you want to try you want to give and you also want to give more you know, somebody like gives you something as a appreciate something you're like, Hey, I right away, we have this reaction to want to practice reciprocity and give something back to them. And same thing, whatever you want to call it, God universe. It just likes gratitude. It likes grateful people. I know it's like, oh, why would I give these things to people who don't appreciate and keep complaining and pushing? Right versus this person, Alex, let's say who's always grateful and gives nothing but he's so happy. He's Yeah, he's being appreciative that you have for the little things that we have while we give that person more. Right. And this is just really how the world works. And is that also known as law of attraction. And I really believe that, even with relationships, and I seem to, like I said, friendships, romantic relations, anything else is to bring that same energy, if we are appreciative and grateful for the people around us, and we also appreciate it for the things that they do saying before employees and all that stuff, children, you will bring out more of that. It will bring them more of the good, they want to do more good. And this is why To me, this is one of the you know, there's a lot of talk about gratitude. And this, however, it takes practice. It's an exercise doing it every day. And it really takes time. That's why I recommend for anybody, like I said, you don't have to buy the Five Minute Journal. If you do, it's great. It's pretty makes a habit a lot easier to do. However you can do it. Like I said, if you can train your mind to do that, that's they'll be incredible. It just RL not all of us have that willpower to be able to do that. But if there's one habit that I train myself to do is simply just be grateful first thing in the morning, say your day, and then the rest will take care of
itself. Well, we're so grateful that you've spent so much time with us, like we went way over.
I think influences all that sort of stuff get like it has a certain sort of connotation toward or a certain vibe and I think that you guys are an example of using platforms to be of service and I think that the life that you can simplify it in the lifestyle stuff, but what you're doing is you're showing your experiences and Opening up possibilities for other people. I think that that's an amazing service and something we really appreciate
you guys so much for Yeah. Awesome.
Yeah, thank you guys for coming by for making this impromptu serendipitous podcast. But it's been a true pleasure having you guys over as well, we just also really appreciate the time and most importantly, your effort, right to put in that seed to make it happen because the same thing like it's all you guys have a massive following, but you keep pushing at it and you're able to have these opportunities happen more and more because you show up. So anybody listening, or watching right now because this is being recorded, so you can check out this video on your channel is that it's truly about just showing up and being grateful for showing up every day. Absolutely. Thank you guys for showing. Thanks, Alex
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