Billy Carts, Siblings & Balanced Eating

Tommy: The Daily Talk Show.

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 469.

Tommy: It's weekend banter. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we got Queen Gronkh back in the building, Gemma Watts and Peter Shepherd.

Josh: Tall Gronkh. Tall Gronkh.

Peter: We're still running that old—

Gemma: That upsets me.

Tommy: Unless you somehow get short, you're always going to be Tall Gronkh.

Josh: He did a whole TEDx talk about having to deal with being a tall guy.

Gemma: It was very on brand.

Peter: It was. I hope to lean into it, right?

Tommy: Can we talk about that?

Peter: Sure.

Tommy: Uh, that was amazing. It was very good.

Gemma: Yeah, it was.

Tommy: So the, the, the Gronk Squad went to support Peter Shepherd. I mean, if we had all of the Gronk Squad there, that we would have filled the whole venue, to be honest. But mate, you smashed it. This is, um, what I didn't know about the TEDx stuff was— so you got TED, right? You, you see these videos, you see Brené Brown, that's where she did her first talk that sort of —shot her? Shot her up. Wow. I was going to say trajectory. Yeah. Shot her into a good stratosphere, which that got so many, so many views. Is this a TED Talk? And then, and then they— what I worked out from this event, because I didn't know, was that they licence out TEDx to all these people, so universities and things around the globe. And then they get all these, you know, helpers to come and put on these events. So there's like a real investment into putting on a TEDx event. You don't do it because you want to make cash. You do it because you want to spread ideas.

Josh: And so I think, Pete, your microphone's very close to your nose, so I'm getting a fair bit of breathing going on.

Peter: There we go. Sorry, guys.

Josh: That was literally— it was every time he took a breath.

Peter: Yeah, so I just thought I'm working on my nose breathing.

Josh: Yeah, it's great breathing.

Tommy: And so there's one thing about the TED brand is it's super strong, and I've seen a few people that have really led with it. As soon as they've done it, it's like front and center, business card, link, you know, LinkedIn. There's one guy in particular, I watched his talk and it was great. So it's almost— I mean, your talk was great, so put it in your LinkedIn and your business card. But so how do you get the call-up to do a TEDx talk?

Peter: It's a good question. It was, I think from memory, either I reached out or they reached out to me and said, we're running this event. There's an application process. So you have to pitch your idea, submit a form and an application, and then you have like a phone interview essentially. Because to your point, TED are super protective of their brand. So those running the event, those running TEDx, have to present it in a certain way. They have to have people that they veto, they have to have ideas that are interesting, and then they have to run the events in a way that is in alignment with the TED brand. So it was sort of a pretty exhaustive process. To go through, but ultimately I was asked to be on the stage eventually, and it was fun.

Tommy: Shortlisted. Shortlisted. And so you get— what's that phone interview like? What are you— it was—

Peter: who are you talking to?

Josh: I'm talking to Ted. Yeah. Do they know that you don't take phone calls?

Peter: There's this guy called Ted. Oh yeah, phone anxiety. Yeah, it was tough. It was really— it was anxiety-inducing, but it was a, I don't know, 20-minute phone call. Was like, tell us about your idea, and have you spoken about it before? Have you done much public speaking? And like, what does it mean to you to speak at TED?

Tommy: And that kind of thing. Aussies or Americans?

Peter: Yeah, they were the organisers that ran the Uni Melbourne event, so they would have been there on the day.

Tommy: What was your take, Gemma, on the TED Talk? I loved it.

Gemma: I stayed for the whole day. Did you? Yeah.

Tommy: I mean, to be honest, I watched yours, Pete, and I left.

Peter: I mean, it was handy that it was first so you could do that, right? I was so lucky. Yeah.

Tommy: Because I hadn't seen my son and my wife. Yeah.

Peter: I mean, I was thrilled that you guys were even there. It was crazy.

Gemma: And it was old mate's birthday.

Josh: Yeah, it was my birthday. Oh, it was your birthday? And we had cookies. Like, we were the only ones that were eating it.

Peter: Yeah, and you left your rubbish behind.

Josh: No, I actually left cookies behind.

Peter: Oh, wrong move.

Josh: To be clear, it was a bit of a bystander thing because who brought the cookies?

Tommy: No, I brought the cookies and I left first and I was like, here's the cookies, guys. I'm going to go because I don't need them. You guys are staying. You could eat the cookies. And so then you left them. What, did you just leave them on the seat?

Gemma: No, I left them on the ground. No, you didn't, because I'd already said I didn't want the cookies. Cookies.

Peter: I just— I didn't get any cookies and I was the one that did the talks.

Gemma: I moved seats.

Josh: I went front and centre after you. Really?

Tommy: Yes. There's always Mason to blame it on. He was there.

Josh: Yeah, that was definitely— Did you leave the cookies, Mr.

Tommy: 97?

Josh: No, absolutely not. Anyway, it was very— what does TED stand for? Do we know?

Peter: Technology, Entertainment, and Design, I believe.

Tommy: No pressure. Where did you fit into? Good question.

Josh: There's some imposter syndrome there.

Peter: Is that true, Mr. 97?

Tommy: Well, if it is technology, entertainment, and design, I mean, I didn't know that that was a thing. It was an acronym. I guess they've just buried that because they— it's any brand. Like, you lead with the thing, oh, we're going to talk about technology, entertainment, design, and then you're like, this is a bit bigger than we thought.

Josh: Yeah, Kentucky Fried Chicken, they do more than chicken. More than KFC. Yeah, chips. Uh, what was your favourite talk there, Gem?

Gemma: Obviously outside of Pete. Um, oh, I liked all of them. I liked that girl that was talking about sex. That was really good. And they're also the founder of Connor's Run. She was amazing. They were all amazing. But I liked the sex one. I don't know.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: What stood out? I mean, you just— Yeah. She was great. Yeah, she was great. What does that mean though? What is it like if—

Josh: Sorry, were you not there? Oh, that's right.

Tommy: I left. Yeah.

Josh: Well, sex is just as much about periods as it is about sex, which was the new thing. Like she was talking about all sexual health in general.

Tommy: Sexual health.

Peter: Normalizing the conversation basically. We should talk more about the things that surround sex, because it's the one thing that's universal and it's like often taboo. Like talking about the fact that 50% of the population in the world have a period once a month. Like we don't talk about it. That was sort of the premise, right?

Gemma: Yeah, pretty much.

Tommy: There was someone who did a sketch of your talk.

Gemma: Oh, that was amazing. Phenomenal.

Josh: You mean like a drawing, not like a spoof?

Tommy: No, it was like a little cartoon.

Josh: A doodle. Yeah, it was amazing.

Tommy: You should get that printed and put it up on the wall.

Gemma: She did it during the talk.

Tommy: I thought all Josh and I did was eat cookies.

Gemma: I thought she must have taken notes and like gone home. Yeah, but oh my God, I always— good at something.

Josh: Well, I always admit when I see those things, I always— the storey I tell is one day I'll have an iPad Pro and I will do that.

Peter: And you do it on the iPad?

Josh: Yeah, but until then, keep us posted. One day you were going to write a book. But there's actually a, um, there's a whole industry or a career of doing this where conferences will hire people to go to the front of the room. Yeah. And they sketch out the whole idea. And so by the end of each talk, they have full present, like big infographics. Crazy, isn't it? Yeah.

Tommy: And what I loved about your talk was that it, it, the end connected to the start and you threaded it all through. And I thought, thought it was really clever. And I liked your dance move where you sort of got into it.

Peter: Did I do that or was that in my head? No, you did it. I don't remember that bit. I sort of blacked out at one point and I was like, I don't really know what I'm doing.

Tommy: Oh, that's right, the step. Yeah, two-step. And then I put it out on Instagram with the song. Two-step. Can you do the two-step? Anyway, um, clever. It's big on TikTok. So first, first TED Talk. I know you've talked quite a bit. Publicly. How do you go into actually framing it and, uh, prepping it? Yeah, it was interesting.

Peter: Like, the whole experience was really interesting because it's very— what I've found is it's very different to a 45-minute keynote, which I've done a few of before, where you have literally 45 minutes and a Q&A at the end, usually a 15-minute Q&A. Whereas TED is so dialled in that it's like you've got between 10 to 15 minutes, and the idea that the research that I did I was basically under the impression that a really good TED Talk you can summarise in one sentence. And so how do I create a TED Talk that's based around one sentence but goes for 12 to 13 minutes? And then the other idea that I lent into, which someone said to me, was it's almost like every line has to be tweetable. Like every line you have to see and stand— it has to stand alone on its own.

Josh: That's why you're saying hashtag so many times.

Peter: Human Periscope on Twitter, everybody.

Gemma: Formally 2 Meter Tweeter, which I think is the best thing I've ever heard.

Josh: You actually changed, you changed your name after being on our show. I did.

Peter: I was actually under your guidance, I think, maybe you sort of— Bit of a rebrand. Yeah, help me through the rebrand. So I was 2 Meter Peter slash 2 Meter Tweeter when I started my daily talk show journey. And I sit before you, Human Periscope.

Josh: Which I think is— I mean, it works.

Tommy: Slash Tall Gronk. Tall Gronk, yeah. Depending on who you ask.

Josh: You had the humanperiscope.com or whatever the brand. I was just like, let's just— Yeah, it's better for SEO. Yeah, let's just sort of synthesise the whole thing.

Peter: And then what about the memorising of—

Tommy: oh yeah, something.

Peter: So that, that was, that was kind of new to me, honestly, in the sense that if I do a 45-minute keynote, it's not like memorise word for word. I have like talking points that I know I'm going to hit and storeys that I know I want to tell, but it's kind of— and Craig Harper's talked about this on this podcast— it's kind of fluid in the sense that you see the room, you, you realise they're connecting to a certain topic or an idea, and so it's just a drag race out the front. It's fine, that's me breathing again. And then you take the, you take the storey down there. But whereas a TED Talk It was, yeah, it was, it was essentially a script and I almost reverse engineered it where you get a TED coach, they give you a speaking coach that helps you out. And she said, can you send me the script for your talk? And I was like, I don't have one. So I did like a 12-minute riff essentially, which I'd done before on this idea of imposter syndrome. And then I put it through a transcription software and I sent it to her.

Josh: Did you at least clean it up or did you allow it?

Peter: I cleaned it up a little bit. Yeah. And then sent it to her and she was like, this is great. Add to this, build on this, build on that. So that was kind of how I started it. So I still started with a riff. But it gave me a transcript and then I kind of worked off that. And the trick that I had, which I used to do way back when, was I put key talking points in the shower, like in a plastic sleeve and hung it up in the shower. So, every time I was in the shower, I just read through the talking points and sort of tried to just ingrain it in my head.

Josh: Plastic sleeve, like one of the ones that you'd get in like a binder or whatever? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you like—

Peter: To waterproof it. As my waterproofing.

Josh: Did you tape it up the top?

Peter: No, I just put it high enough so the water couldn't quite get in. Oh, he's tall enough.

Josh: Yeah. Makes sense. I mean, the talking thing's interesting because there's different types of speaking. There's that type speaking. Then there's the stuff that you do, Gem, a lot, which is the emceeing, facilitating an event or whatever. I'm very good at it. Yeah, well, it's a different skill. Tommy and I are doing a Nando's event next week. Nice. We're hoping to see you emceeing. Basically, they said, hey, Tommy, do you want to do it? And he said, only if my mate Josh does it too. So someone's got to carry the load.

Gemma: And so You know, they've— Well, I'm glad it's not in the beauty space. If you were emceeing a beauty event, I'd be like, I'm sorry, what?

Josh: And so, I mean, emceeing, a little bit of a different beast because they send you like, this is the talking points. Here I am trying to think of Perry Perry jokes.

Gemma: How are you going with the Perry Perry jokes?

Josh: Not great. You got any you want to try?

Gemma: Yeah, this would be a good time to do it.

Josh: No, it's just like I was thinking of—

Gemma: I really want him to embarrass himself.

Josh: No, it's just like Who's excited to be here? Like, just pump up the audience. It's not a joke. That's housekeeping.

Tommy: No, but maybe this is time to get some advice from the pro.

Josh: Yeah. What does it take to be a master of ceremonies at a Nando's event?

Gemma: I mean, this is the issue. Whenever anyone asks me for advice, I'm like, I'm just naturally very good at it.

Tommy: So then what do you do? What are you— how do you prepare?

Gemma: Well, I think for me it was 18 years of being on stage.

Josh: Which I did a few productions, school productions.

Tommy: Did you? Yeah. Okay.

Josh: So but then Crocodile Rock sung the whole thing.

Tommy: What's the process? So to go into any— so you did Mecca? Yeah. And Mecca Land and you were hosting up on stage.

Gemma: Well, I think the beauty of it for me is that everything I'm doing is beauty. So like I already know the brands and the bulk of the time I've got a relationship with who I'm interviewing.

Tommy: So is that to say you don't do any prep?

Gemma: Oh no, I definitely do prep, but like, to me, like, a lot of it is stuff that I've already got in my head.

Josh: And then do you come up with jokes though?

Gemma: No, I don't come up with jokes. No jokes? No. Okay. No, sometimes they just come to me.

Josh: What about things like interacting with the crowd? We're going to have a group of foodies, like food influencers.

Tommy: You guys can come if you want, Gemma. I can get you. Oh, Linva.

Gemma: Fabulous.

Peter: And then you got me one.

Gemma: She looks really cute. What will I wear? My fave Should be at Taco Bill. Okay. It feels like such an obvious one. Is there like audience questions at the end?

Tommy: No, it's literally just like bring a bit of vibe, direct. I don't think there was any mention of vibe.

Gemma: My favourite MCing tip, which now doesn't apply, is when you throw it to the audience for questions, there's always going to be a silence. So have your own questions up your sleeve so you can be like, well, I'm going to kick things off.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Like there's not going to be a Q&A. That's good.

Gemma: I mean, we can do what we want.

Tommy: Yeah. I remember Jules Lund saying he is the guy that has to say this speech into his phone. This is probably back in the day to memorise and then play it back to himself, which was the advice he gave to me. So I'm thinking it was probably early days in his career, but that's how you memorize. And he needed the structure. He needed to know that he had it all worked out. Whereas I do that. There's a bunch of other people, which I think I've even worked out I like. So I find it hard to do all the prep. I get like a bit bogged down and a bit, you know, in my head. And then if I have a few things, a few dot points or something, I then can start enjoying the moment, start feeling the room. And like, I think that's what you and I do.

Josh: It's more like if you have to— yeah, yeah, yeah. I called— two mistakes I made in court announcing called a guy named Jesus, Jesus, which is an easy mistake based on spelling. And the other one was I would do women's basketball and then a men's game. Yeah. And it was Stephen, but it was with the PH. And I just said Stephanie. And it got a good, good laugh. But it's really low level.

Peter: Yeah. Poor Stephen.

Tommy: Yeah, but it's like, it's okay to read. It's okay just to look down at the name if you want to get it right. And so, um, are you— do you think that you're more of a freestyle gal? What I do is I will—

Josh: yes, he loves saying gal. Um, we're trying to retire.

Gemma: Both called me double D when I was here.

Tommy: Josh did. That was for the denim. Yeah, because I was making fun of Josh.

Gemma: Okay, sure.

Josh: She's wearing double denim, everyone. She's wearing double denim.

Gemma: Yeah, they're just a regular D. Um, so my, my prep is to do a whole script and like thorough read it a couple of times, have it in front of me, but then I won't look at it. But it's just like nice to know that it's there. But I think for me, writing it, like, I'm just very visual. So if I've looked at a whole script— again, it's theater— like, I look at the script and then I'm like, okay, I have an understanding of what I need to say.

Peter: I think I'm more with you. And I almost think of it as improv, which is like you have a few ideas and you might have a partner, which, you know, good improv does, and you kind of just build off each other and just kind of free flow. That's, that's how I I think of my work a lot of the time is coaching is about improv, is speaking is about improv, is about reacting and asking questions. And I think naturally you two are probably practising emceeing by interviewing people on this podcast. Definitely. Every single day.

Tommy: Which is freestyle because we don't really follow.

Josh: What's trying to work out though, what character you're playing? Like, are you playing a sort of fun version? Because we can have serious conversations and ask serious questions. But maybe that wouldn't fly necessarily for a Nando's event. But maybe also being super silly, like, do I— like, I straight away go to chicken costume. That's where my head went too.

Gemma: Yeah, like just trying to hold a microphone, and Tommy actually has to hold the mic for me because you've just got to read the room though, because like I'm doing an event next week that will be very, very serious, but then Mecca Land it's like a younger audience, so I could have fun with it.

Tommy: But then the MC, it's not you. I mean, usually a good master of ceremonies is guiding the event. Yes. So it's not about you. Yeah. You're not meant to walk away going, how good was the chicken suit?

Josh: Yeah. Could it be? What about this as a first one? As a— this is breaking the ice, but also housekeeping at the same time. Who here needs to go to the toilet right now?

Gemma: No, hands up. We're not doing that.

Josh: And then I say, because the toilets are over here. Absolutely not. Bit of interactive crowd. I hate it. It's— Yeah, it's— Do you think it would get a chuckle or no?

Tommy: Probably not.

Gemma: No, you'd get a lot of confused people.

Peter: There's no punchline.

Josh: Yeah, well, the punchline is it's over there.

Peter: I mean, that's more of a fact.

Josh: Yeah. So, the other option, the other option I had was, say, interaction-wise. All right, let's start like we're at Nando's. Let's talk bastings. Lemon and herb.

Tommy: Who are you? Oh, that's better. I like that.

Josh: Can we get the extra hots? How many extra hots have we got?

Gemma: Yeah, I love that.

Tommy: Something like if you were to pull out some unusual facts about Nando's, that'd be kind of like just randomly.

Josh: This guy knows his shit. Okay, favourite Nando's stores. Who's it like? I love Smith Street.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Oh, that sort of thing. That could be fun.

Peter: Or a name like Joe at Smith Street always gives me an extra sprinkle of the—

Josh: So I need to work out names. Yeah.

Peter: I mean, you just make them up.

Tommy: I, um, I got asked to MC a friend's wedding and I said no because I wanted to enjoy it. I didn't want the pressure. I was just too busy with this shit.

Josh: It was— if it was Ben Fordham, he would only go if he was MCing. Yeah, which I respect.

Tommy: He's amazing.

Peter: Yeah, I heard that interview was phenomenal, by the way. He's an absolute legend. I love him.

Gemma: He's an animal. Um, they gave me a Ben Fordham bottle opener. Oh, okay.

Josh: Well, I didn't get one. I gave my one.

Tommy: Um, Tommy's got his still. I've got a, um, Stubby holder. Stubby holder.

Josh: I mean, for all of these stubbies.

Tommy: Yeah, just keep it handy for you. For my soda water. Uh, and then this guy—

Peter: you said no. This professional guy.

Tommy: Yeah, I said no. And then I went to the wedding and this guy was so good.

Gemma: This has been discussed on the show before. Yeah, they brought in a rando, mate.

Tommy: I'm so glad I didn't do it because he was so professional. It was a real MC, just gathered Gather the people. Was it Mike Larkin?

Josh: No, he does a fair bit of weddings. He also tried to buy your parents' house.

Gemma: Yeah, that was my first episode that that conversation was. Bloody Mike.

Tommy: Bloody Mike Larkin.

Josh: And so, yeah, I don't know. I feel like I'm getting more comfortable with those types of things because there's reading the room, but there's also just having fun with it as well.

Peter: I think if people see you two having fun, then they'll naturally have fun.

Josh: So I just need to make sure Tommy's having fun because there's certain things that I think is funny. Like when he asked me to move the bottle of water and I move it inch by inch.

Tommy: Yeah, that's a bit of shit. You don't have siblings, but you know those annoying friends? Yeah, you get it. You get it. Do you have siblings?

Peter: Older brother and sister.

Tommy: Yeah. Oh, you're one of three?

Josh: Would you punch on?

Peter: No, no, I was the, I was kind of the mediator. My brother and sister used to fight a little bit, or quite a lot actually, growing up. And I was like the mediator. So you're the coach, you would coach them through it.

Tommy: The worst, what's the worst thing anything your brother or sister's done to you? You know, because it's throw a pan at your head, I don't know, steal your chocolate.

Josh: Hit my brother with a golf club.

Tommy: My brother held me down, had my arms like this so he can't— like he's on top of me straddling me. Really? I'm like this. No, it gets worse, Pete. Holds my nose, it's like, ah, ah, ah, spits straight down the big loogie. Oh no, just a teenage loogie. Straight into my mouth. That's not okay.

Josh: That is not okay. But what's the—

Gemma: like, I've had like— I cannot imagine having siblings.

Josh: I didn't have any of that, right?

Peter: Well, we all got along pretty well, I think. That's nice.

Tommy: I love my bro, we get on great.

Josh: I literally had like my brother, I'm sure, like on top of me saying, I'm gonna fucking kill you, which is quite full-on, isn't it? It's all bullshit. Yeah, like I'm here. But yeah, especially 3 boys.

Peter: Typewriter's the worst.

Josh: Yeah. It's definitely like we had heads through walls. Like, wow. Like, oh my God. It actually doesn't take much to get a head through like a plaster wall, especially when beds are up against. When you're a kid, you would have like your bed right up against the wall.

Gemma: No, I was always in the middle of the room.

Tommy: Really? Hang on, what? Yeah. What? Why? So it'd be like bedside tables on either side.

Josh: Oh my goodness. As a kid though, what are you scared of? Bedside tables?

Tommy: But also bedside. Were you wearing a tiara from the age of 2?

Gemma: Yes. And my dad used to, I used to make him go on all fours and like I would sit on his back and he would have to take me to bed and then tip me over onto the bed. And then once I banged my head on the bedside table and that's my 2 front teeth came out. It's fine.

Tommy: They were loose. Yeah, they were.

Gemma: I got money for it.

Tommy: They were the first ones. They were the first round.

Josh: Did you say $2, Pete? Is that right? $2 per teeth? We literally spoke about that on Thursday. Oh, well, because Mr.

Tommy: 97 just yelled out, '2 bucks!' And I was like, 'So is that the number?' Yeah. Is there a dollar maybe early on?

Josh: Mine was 2.

Gemma: Yeah, I think mine was only child. $5.

Tommy: $25 per tooth. Molars, $45.

Josh: Yeah, just a, um, some sort of investment, an investment property.

Tommy: I've got a new pet peeve, uh, which is, which I should take a leaf out of your book, Pete. It's being on the phone. So it's like speaking to a friend. I'll give you this example. Just on the phone to Amy and having a chat and I was like, oh, I've got a call coming through and it's from a number I don't know. Yeah, but I've got to answer it. You know, when you've got a business or you're— I think just having a business means that you might need to take a call.

Gemma: I disagree.

Tommy: That isn't yours. Let them go to voicemail.

Josh: I feel the same way, which is why only Tommy's number is on the website because it used to be mine. I was, I actually did, I had a number that I purposefully like was a Skype number that I didn't check. And then we're like, well, if we're going to have a number, we should at least. Yeah. So my number's on there. So Tommy gets calls.

Tommy: But the worst is when you stop a nice conversation and it's a fucking telemarketer.

Josh: Like, that's not a new pet peeve.

Tommy: No, no, but I just, it's today.

Josh: It's a new spin on the peeve.

Tommy: No, but for me, it's like I, I was on the last straw.

Peter: You didn't talk to him, did you?

Tommy: Just hung up? I hung up on him, which was annoying.

Peter: Just let me go to voicemail.

Tommy: But I just disrupted the moment with me wife. Yeah. So what did you do?

Gemma: What a disaster. I hope you're able to find time for another moment.

Tommy: No, but I mean, this is where there should be a rule. Do you have a rule of not answering?

Gemma: So you don't see if I feel like it. I answer when Josh calls. I love a chat to Josh and Fraser.

Josh: Yeah, we do enjoy that.

Gemma: He called for one thing the other night and like 45 minutes later I'm like, I got to I was going through this.

Josh: No, there is. I was saying, yeah, we were chatting business. I was saying to a mate just yesterday, I won't go to your birthday party like other people are not, so I think, but I'll always take a phone call. Yeah, which can be annoying for like even, uh, this morning walking in and I was talking to Naysan, my mate, and like it went for like 45 minutes once I was here sort of doing stuff, but I love, love, love AirPods in, just walking and talking.

Gemma: Walking and talking. Yeah. Oh, I sit down and have a chat. I love it.

Josh: That's a luxury. Phone to ear. A phone to ear is—

Tommy: You're a phone to ear gal.

Josh: Really? Wow. It's not great. I always feel—

Gemma: I have makeup on everything, but that's fine.

Josh: Even if Bri has her phone near me, I feel like I can feel it. Anyone else have that? Especially if it's near the testicle area. I'm straight away like— Definitely. No, but I can— I think that I I don't know whether it's like a placebo sort of thing.

Tommy: I know what you mean.

Josh: But sometimes I'll say, is your phone near me right now? And she'll just like, yeah, I could feel that.

Tommy: There's also heat coming off it, but I know what you mean.

Gemma: I'm sorry, I just heard someone yelling at me.

Tommy: Yeah, that's fine. We're in Abbotsford. Laptop on lap, you feel it.

Josh: But it doesn't feel like the radiation-y sort of feeling that. I reckon it's a similar one for me. I think I could almost feel if she was getting a text message, if vibrate was on.

Gemma: Is this dick chat again? Every fucking time. No, this is definitely not dick chat.

Josh: Difference between dicks and testicles. Okay, it just— it seems a lot like it.

Gemma: Yeah, every time. Potentially. It is a daily talk show.

Tommy: Uh, Pete, you're flying to New York. Fucking lucky. Yeah, tomorrow.

Peter: Hasn't packed? Have not packed. No, that's what this afternoon's for. I'll figure it out. And I am going to challenge myself to do carry-on only, no check-in. Easy. Easy, right?

Tommy: Definitely easy. I did it when I went to New York last year.

Josh: You just have someone else that carries all your shit.

Tommy: No, I had an A7S, like I had it, I had really all my camera set up, like a bunch of stuff.

Peter: It's so much better.

Tommy: What is it like at the moment? It's hot in New York.

Peter: Yeah, it's like 25 to 30 every day.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean you do wear the similar thing every time. So easy.

Peter: So you just wear 5 of the same t-shirt. A few pairs of pants, a few pairs of shorts, and away you go.

Tommy: Trying to get your double denim in, that's a full bag.

Josh: Yeah, it's also denim is heavy.

Gemma: Not a good packer.

Peter: But like, the, the mobility is just so appealing to me, where you like, especially when you get to LA or you get to JFK, the airport, and you're just straight through, and everyone's standing there looking miserable waiting for their luggage, and I'm just—

Gemma: you don't have to wait.

Tommy: New York, what are you doing there? Working for a couple of weeks, so catching up with a bunch pretend I'm a customs agent.

Peter: A customs agent? Oh, if you're a customs agent, I'm here visiting friends.

Tommy: What are you doing here?

Peter: Good, just trying to visit your friends.

Tommy: Yeah, just getting your story.

Josh: Well, I mean, the thing is, you know, which is also true, you're not getting paid by any US company while you're there specifically. Yeah, no, you're fine.

Tommy: Of course not. See, Josh is also, you know, getting you on the right track. That's good.

Peter: This is good practise for next time I ask that question.

Tommy: When you go to the States, it is— have you been, Gemma?

Gemma: No, one of my girlfriends got deported recently.

Tommy: Oh, really?

Gemma: I can't go into it. Oh my goodness.

Tommy: Oh, you can't go into it.

Josh: It's something to do with modeling, I'm guessing. Drama?

Tommy: No, why? Well, it could be, it's either cocaine or modeling.

Josh: Or a model smuggling in cocaine.

Gemma: Why is that where everyone's mind has gone? Well, you can't, they would not. Not all my friends are models.

Josh: I have 2 non-model friends.

Gemma: And you 3. Us 3, yeah.

Tommy: And Steph's 4. Steph's a model. No, you're right, sorry. Well, they ask, what are you doing here? Because they don't want people over there working without visas, which makes sense. But I mean, you stand out and you just put a nice smile on. They're like, ah, Aussie.

Peter: Yeah, the Australian guy. Yeah. I'm just here to visit friends.

Tommy: And so you're going over to visit friends. Yeah.

Josh: Which you can, to be clear, that you can, if you are working and not getting paid by a US company and you are just like, you can go to conferences, you can do business meetings. Yeah. Which is what I do. I've said that multiple times. I'm here for business or whatever.

Tommy: The end is if you fly into LA and you talk like, ah, the movie stuff, it's a bit different because like it's very— because you might be there trying to land a job. Interesting. Yeah. So it's, it's even worse. Like, I'm a musician. Yeah. All right, why are you here? Yeah, yeah, right. Where are you staying? In— where am I staying?

Peter: I've got a few places. So I'm starting in a hotel which is right near one of my friend's houses where I'll be doing a lot of non-work-related conversations. And then I'm actually fine. I'm house sitting. I'm house sitting for a friend That's it. For 10 days after that in Long Island City, which he's got this amazing apartment on the other side of the river that overlooks Manhattan. Oh, it's ridiculous.

Josh: Do they have any animals you have to look after? No, plants.

Peter: So, his fiancée is like, she's called the Broadway Botanist and she's like— Geez.

Josh: What is that, her Instagram account? Yeah. Yeah. Broadway Botanist.

Peter: Yeah. So, she's like next level in, you know, indoor plants and design of people's environments, basically. And so, her house, their apartment is covered It's amazing, covered in all this greenery. So, I have to look after all of that. So, I'm a little bit nervous about that. So, that's the rule. Yeah. The rule is you look after it. I'm giving them a bit of cash too, but not as much as the hotels in New York are so expensive. It's ridiculous. And the dollar.

Josh: Yeah, the dollar is shit at the moment.

Peter: The dollar is awful.

Josh: Broadway botanist. Should be fun, though.

Tommy: And so, have they set any other boundaries?

Peter: No, that's it as far as I know. Sleep in their bed? I'm having dinner with them like 2 nights before, so I'm sure I'll get the ground rules there. But as far as I know, it's keeping the plants alive. Essentially, it feels like a bit of pressure.

Tommy: And are you hanging out with Seth Godin?

Peter: I'm going to probably spend some time up with Seth at Hastings. Yeah.

Josh: And you're also catching up with Brad Blanks HQ. Catching up with Brad next week. Yeah. Which would be perfect.

Peter: Catching up with him next week.

Josh: In regards to plants, Bree and I are trying to keep herbs alive.

Peter: Oh yeah. How's that going?

Josh: It was difficult the first time they died and it was because Bree put the plant in the fridge. Why? Because she's like, you got to keep it cold or whatever. I'm like, nah, it died. It died. And it was like, so that was like, it was a whole plant with like, like in the fridge. I was just like, what are you doing? It's like, I gotta keep it cold. I'm like, no, I think next time let's put it in the sun. It needs sunlight.

Gemma: I mean, I don't know a lot about plants, but I—

Josh: it doesn't seem right.

Tommy: It doesn't go with food, I think.

Josh: She said there's specific ones where it's like, oh, they need to stay cold.

Gemma: It's winter here at the moment. But they survive outdoors.

Josh: With the sun. Yeah. So I don't think that that was— they died. That was a basil. And Brodie just said basil is just really hard to keep alive.

Peter: It's very— especially when you put it in the fridge.

Josh: Just buy it. No, but this is the problem. Basil is like the cost of Uber Eats delivery. Like, it's quite expensive.

Peter: I love that that was easier for you to say than $5. Yeah, which, um, that's your benchmark for $5 Uber Eats delivery.

Josh: Yeah, no, it's true. Uh, yesterday on, um, Fat Fridays, we did the Monopoly, the McDonald's Monopoly thing. That is like childhood memories of that game.

Tommy: Yeah, but it's not like childhood, that's the thing, Pete.

Josh: Yeah, it's not how it used to be. Oh, okay.

Gemma: It's hard to assume you've won anything.

Tommy: No, we did. Well, it's not Sundays, it's not fries. Remember how we did like a free cheeky— it was awesome— cheeky, uh, little cheeseburger. Yeah. Oh, used to win so many things. Yeah, free cheesies. I remember, I never really did it. Well, they used to take— it was very loose back in the day. You'd pass over your little voucher and they just throw them underneath the till. Yeah, fucking loose, loose hands over here. Just sneak out. Nice. Pulls back through a whole stack of So I've got a sundae, I've got chickies, two cheeseburgers. Well done. But then I even had friends who worked there that would hand them back to me. He's a bit of a scumbag like that.

Peter: They were such tiny little things.

Tommy: Hey, don't leave fucking rubbish at a TED Talk. That was on you, buddy.

Josh: I didn't bring the rubbish. That's a really good point.

Tommy: No, it's not actually that good. So anyway, yes, sorry I brought that up yesterday. I shot the guy in the head, but he gave me the fucking gun. Look, that escalated. That's what you said.

Josh: That's not what I said. Um, no, but, uh, the Monopoly thing, uh, a $20 Amazon voucher I won.

Tommy: Okay, that sounds good, right?

Gemma: Yeah, that's all right. I mean, not really.

Josh: Well, because you had to—

Gemma: okay, using a voucher is such a pain.

Josh: This is the pain bit. So I thought, $20 voucher, that's awesome. Minimum spend of $79. What? So for me, that doesn't really feel—

Peter: it's horrible.

Josh: Yeah, it's not ideal. So anyway, I feel like we did the whole thing on the show where we use the app. It's all very annoying.

Tommy: The Mr. Nice Haven—

Gemma: what's that thing? You didn't do that? No. Remember when you used to say no spend, no say?

Tommy: No say, no pay.

Josh: No say, no pay. No pay, no say.

Gemma: No pay, no say. But that's gone out.

Josh: It's going to change very soon though with advertising and things. Things like that. Um, I know, that's exciting. Yeah, that's good. What else is happening? The footy's on, uh, grand final.

Gemma: You excited, Gem? Yeah, I've— yeah, I'm— I don't want to talk about it. I have my Richmond scarf in my bag, but I didn't want to rub it in.

Josh: Rub it in for who? I mean, I don't hate—

Tommy: go for Geelong.

Josh: Yeah, it could have been them, but you can't rub it in. There was just poor performance on the day. It was a good match.

Gemma: Richmond were the better side. Yeah, it wasn't really poor performance.

Josh: Everyone played very well. I felt that near— I think it was, was it three-quarter time where they really dropped the ball? Yeah. Yeah. This is just what Pete told you on your walk on Monday. No, no, I actually, I watched it. I'm trying to— they're starting to all combine. But did they play GWS? No. Who did GWS play? Collingwood. Yeah, they fucked up too.

Tommy: Collingwood was fucked up and then they punched out a heap of goals and then still couldn't get through.

Peter: Yeah, yeah, that was a good game actually.

Josh: Actually, I do think—

Tommy: do you think GWS will actually win though now? Like, are they up against a much tougher side?

Peter: They're up against it. It's Richmond's to lose is what I think. Richmond's to lose?

Josh: What does that mean?

Tommy: They'll win it, but they'll be the ones that lose it.

Peter: If they lose it, it's on them. Like, they are—

Gemma: Yeah, I mean, are you going? No, we have an annual grand final day party at the Watts household. I can't believe you're not going. I know.

Tommy: What's the drink of choice?

Gemma: Oh, I'll be on the beers.

Josh: On the beers? Is there a bowl of punch?

Gemma: Just for— No, but what we do, I— when I was very little, they'd get me to walk around with like a hat and the like the pies and stuff on it. Oh, that's so good. And now as an adult woman, I'm still doing it, but I'm like shit-faced by the time the pies come out.

Tommy: Can you take a photo so I can put it on the How many people are coming over?

Gemma: I have no idea.

Josh: Because Tommy lives close by.

Tommy: Oh yeah, he does too. That's actually great. We've got some friends coming over for a spa because you know I've got the spa.

Gemma: I do know you've got a spa.

Tommy: Mate, I had a spa this morning. Really? I got up before work. I respect that. This is how it happens. I get up 5:30, pushed it to 5:40, had a— went downstairs, did some meditation. I was like, I'm gonna have a spa. So I went out by myself. I just folded over half the spa, didn't take off the full thing. Took— oh, just got a note in my spa. So fucking good. That is incredible. Yeah, I'm actually going to transition to meditation in the spa because your arms go white, you know, there's weightlessness, you're experiencing weightlessness, it's just floating. And so I'm just going to meditate in the spa. It doesn't cancel out a shower, you know that. Yeah, no, go straight upstairs and rinse off.

Josh: I just feel like you're the type of guy—

Tommy: but love a spa. Yeah, that is— but in fairness, the spa, it's not like the old-school chemical spa, like you don't You know, I know that's because I did a drive-by of your house and jumped the fence.

Gemma: Did you really jump the fence? No, I didn't, but I know exactly where he lives. Drove right up.

Josh: Can you see the spa on Google Maps? Oh, maybe.

Gemma: Are those people with the hard rubbish in your street? Is that gone?

Tommy: It looked like someone.

Gemma: It was like an entire house on the front lawn.

Tommy: My thing was it's probably deceased estate.

Gemma: Yeah, it would have to be the amount of stuff that was out the front. Or a hoarder.

Tommy: What sort of stuff? Everything.

Gemma: Was there anything? I don't know, I didn't. TV.

Tommy: There's an old piece of shit one there. It was like disgusting. Couch. Yeah.

Peter: Mattress. Yeah. Did you ever do this as a kid in like where you grew up?

Josh: He still does it.

Peter: Drive around looking at hard rubbish in those wealthy suburbs.

Josh: You've spoken about it on the show before.

Tommy: Yeah, Bondi. Yeah, I'm not trying to deny it over here. But I'm saying Bulleen. No, no, no. Over in Bondi, they do heaps of hard rubbish and I would be taking stuff and then selling it on the, you know, the North Sydney or when I was in At uni, we used to drive out to Toorak when it was hard rubbish and like get skis and stuff.

Peter: Like people would leave skis out there.

Gemma: Yeah, man. The saddest day of my life was when I came home from a night out. So I was like 18 or 19 and my trampoline was on the front lawn with hard rubbish. Dad put it out? Yeah. I was like, I'm sorry, no one asked me about this. And they were like, you're a grownup. You don't use this anymore.

Peter: You should drag it in. Like drop it in.

Josh: Absolute dog. Trampolines, very dangerous.

Gemma: Yeah, this was a very— this is from like 1998. So just, I love a good tramp.

Peter: Those springs, that was all part of it though, wasn't it?

Tommy: Exactly, pinching the hair, the electric shock.

Josh: I mean, we would have full-on wrestling matches. Do you remember that? You'd get on and it was like you'd be doing, um, what is it, like coat hanging people?

Tommy: Yeah, that didn't happen for me. Sprinkler underneath me.

Gemma: Yeah, that was The best.

Josh: It's literally like tag team, do you like tag team jump in?

Tommy: And Amy said recently we should get Bodhi like the old school one, you know, have him learn. What's an old school one? An old school one actually has the springs. They're all springless now.

Peter: Yeah, and they've got walls and stuff.

Tommy: Oh, they're completely like, you cannot get your hand into the spring area. Why would you want to give them an old school one? So that they can have the resilience of our generation, which was how do you not bloody knacker yourself on the corner? How do you not pinch your bum? Maybe don't put a seat belt on him too, just really trail resilience.

Josh: It seems slightly irresponsible. I think there's probably—

Tommy: people are so soft these days.

Gemma: There's a very good hill on Coonong Creek Trail that I think you should just put him on the bike and sort it out.

Peter: He's a daredevil, he'll give it a crack.

Tommy: He'd love it.

Josh: What about a billy cart? What about the Daily Talk Show billy cart? Oh my God, that's fun.

Tommy: Billy carting, yeah. Old school. Did your dad build one? I can imagine him getting out there.

Josh: My mum knew that if we built one, it would be ridiculous and dangerous. And so, but our cousins, yeah, no, just like crazy, just ridiculous. And but our cousins had them. I just remember going down. You just have, remember the rope and you'd be sort of like moving.

Tommy: Hey, old school. Can you see what I'm doing?

Gemma: I had one, but I just mooched off my brother.

Josh: You don't buy it. Yeah.

Peter: I've got a friend who had one. Yeah. I lived in a flat street, so it wasn't quite as exciting.

Tommy: Yeah.

Gemma: I live on top of of the steepest hill.

Peter: Perfect. Yeah, that would have been great.

Tommy: You said you don't buy a billy cart, but if you had a kid, you'd have to buy one. No, no, I could build them. Isn't Balazs building one right now? Is he? Oh, really? I saw on his Instagram he's trying to build—

Josh: Oh, that would be great.

Tommy: Could you look it up? There's probably a billy cart business. Lazy parents.

Peter: Get the Daily Talk Show logo on there to sponsor the billy cart.

Josh: I would love that. I think that would be great to have a billy cart.

Gemma: What do they have in the little raft? The Little Rascals in the last scene. Yeah, I don't know.

Josh: I don't know if I've seen Little Rascals.

Tommy: What?

Gemma: I think they're like go-karts on steroids.

Peter: I'm thinking of Cool Runnings, that first scene in Cool Runnings.

Tommy: That's definitely a billy cart. I'm going to pull this up. I'm just writing billy cart. B-I-double-L. How have you not seen The Little Rascals?

Josh: I've seen Sandlot Kids many times. Great movie.

Gemma: The Little Rascals.

Josh: I remember the bit of the kid's hair.

Gemma: Alfalfa. But don't remember the movie. Probably my favourite film. No, Sluggo's my favourite.

Josh: My Girl, I loved. Yeah, that broke my heart. I'm scared. So scared of bees.

Gemma: I'm not scared of anything. Bees? Nope. Just ventriloquist dummies. It's very specific. Yeah, it's called automatonophobia. It's a phobia of— yep, ventriloquist dummies and wax statues. But wax statues don't get me as much. But ventriloquist dummy—

Josh: tears. Isn't it interesting? The wax— what's the wax museum called? Yeah, Two Swords. Wax Works. Yeah.

Tommy: 5 months to go until the Upway. Billy Cart Race. 5 months is a good amount. 5 months ago, it's on February 23rd, 2020, the big day. They've got sponsors sponsoring. Yeah, I don't know, it's Total Fireband at the time. Mate, mate, we could hook them up. Um, 190 entries, so the entry cap is 190 entries.

Peter: It's a lot of billy carts down one hill, man.

Tommy: This is good chaos. I hope it's in Australia. Well, you're up way. Yeah, it looks—

Josh: yeah, up way. Right, but they got the .com.

Tommy: This is where you start thinking, upwaybillycartrace.com. That's in Victoria. Main Street, Upway, Victoria, Australia.

Gemma: There we go. What a beautiful producer.

Josh: You could, um, what date is that?

Gemma: He's amazing.

Tommy: We could actually enter that. That's a good one.

Josh: Okay, all right, let's do that.

Peter: Yeah, no, this is happening.

Josh: I think that'd be fun. I think it'd be hilarious.

Tommy: Entries open December 8th. Who's the driver?

Gemma: You can practice.

Peter: I think, who do you push?

Tommy: You've got to be the driver, surely. The— in terms of like, I don't think I'm equipped to build something like this.

Josh: Derek. Oh yeah, Scooter Derek.

Peter: Scooter Derek.

Josh: He'll get the welder out. He'll weld together.

Tommy: You should see the ones that are in there.

Peter: In his element, mate.

Gemma: Do you think that they need a girl to stand at the starting line with the ribbon?

Tommy: No, we need you to drive it.

Josh: We need you to drive it, girls, or whatever the fuck they— what is that called? Track girls. Yeah, yeah, I could do that. You could be the— Yeah, I think you could be a driver. I think I have one of those cars. What about a driver? What about a driver? Would you drive it? You're not scared of anything?

Gemma: I can barely drive a car.

Josh: I know, but this you just sort of— we push it.

Gemma: It'd be pretty funny. It would be hilarious.

Peter: So would you do it?

Gemma: Yeah, I'll do anything.

Josh: Okay, perfect. Could we— do you think we could get Mecca to sponsor the car? Probably. I feel like there's definitely something there. Yeah, okay, great. So, um, what date do we need to—

Tommy: Feb 23rd, 2020. Yeah, but entries open the 8th of December. And what does the entry look like? Is this where you're gonna front up some cash? $10. Yeah, $10.

Peter: I think we could all— I can make a match.

Tommy: $2 each. I want, um, I want, uh, Big Pete to give it a good push. I'll give it a push. I can just imagine the legs. Yeah, you don't want me to—

Peter: yeah, you don't want me to drive it because it'd have to be the longest billy cart ever created.

Tommy: I mean, it could be cool.

Josh: You'd be like the river, you'd be at the start and the end at the same time. Did you like that river reference? The metaphor? Yeah, you are the river.

Peter: I liked it. Yeah, I sort of did.

Josh: Yeah, it makes a lot of sense when you think about it. Yeah. Good chat. Yeah, that's really solid. So, the post-footy, depending on what happens.

Peter: What does that look like, Gemma?

Josh: Yeah, so what happens if it it goes bad, Tigers don't win, will it actually put you in a bad mood? Ah, not for too long.

Gemma: I'm not, I don't sook about these things. I don't really sook about anything. Nah, I just, I don't know. It's just a nice feeling to win, but I'll get over it pretty quickly.

Josh: What will you do if you win? Will you go? I remember Swan Street was fucked.

Gemma: Yeah, see, that's my worst nightmare. I'll just Continue to drink at home.

Peter: The good news is if you lose, no one's going to care because GWS have about 3,000 supporters. So it would be like nothing happened.

Gemma: And also I will have already done my face paint Instagram post that morning.

Peter: So, right.

Gemma: So I'm the real winner. Are you doing full face paint?

Tommy: Of course. The thing about if they, you could always spin it to go if they don't win, which they probably will win. Don't. That it's good for the AFL. It's good for the— they've been around 40— yeah, 10 years the club has been around. GWS has. It's crazy, right?

Josh: Sure, it was being 6 months. I'm sure they went halfway through the season, they came in.

Tommy: It feels like that. 2009 was when they first started. Crazy.

Josh: Do you remember the AFL days at footy days at school? Yeah.

Peter: Oh, I got a photo off my sister this morning. Her daughter, my niece, was dressed up— she's 2— she was dressed up in like full Geelong outfit. They Footy colour day at daycare.

Josh: Yeah, it was so fun. A daycare?

Tommy: Yeah, a daycare. Yeah, they just love it. We probably—

Josh: my brother was such an attention seeker that he went for Port Adelaide. More than you? Yeah.

Gemma: The Port Adelaide colours are very beautiful. Yeah, I love purple.

Josh: But the thing is that he picked— Teal blue. Yeah, I love the teal. So nice. Teal. Is it teal? Yeah. Yeah. Like a greeny blue. Yeah. Teal. No, Jake went for Port Adelaide because, you know, they would get everyone around a circle and then your song would come on and you'd run around. Oh, we didn't do that.

Gemma: I just walked around to everyone going, my grandpa won the premiership. What did your grandpa do? He played for Richmond.

Josh: Yeah. New South Wales premiership.

Gemma: 1943. When Jack Dyer was captain.

Tommy: And so it was VFL back then.

Gemma: Technically. Yeah, you could have like another job while you were playing.

Tommy: Yeah, they're all professionals outside of the football, not the money like it is now. No. And so, and what did he do outside of being a superstar?

Gemma: A trade of some sort, I have no idea.

Tommy: Yeah, my dad employed a few, uh, he employed a Melbourne Football Club player back in the day, like before they could make enough cash. Wow. So he was a labourer for my dad, landscaping, and then he'd play professional footy on the—

Josh: It's like podcasting. Yeah, isn't it? One day we'll be at the MCG.

Peter: In 10 years' time you'll be like, remember when we used to have 2 jobs as well as podcasting?

Josh: And so what was the storey that your family would always tell about your grandpa? What were the, like, the premiership stories?

Gemma: They didn't really have any because Mum's the youngest or the second youngest of 7. So he'd stopped playing when she was like a child. But then everyone in my family plays sport. Most of the men have played VFL. All of the girls played like state netball at a minimum. Did you play? What did you? No. I played netball in primary school, but I was just in it for like the miniskirts. That's not a word of a lie. And my mum was a really, really good netballer and she would be at the side of the court like, the ball is coming towards you. And I'm like, what do you mean?

Tommy: Did you have any other famous family? No, I mean, was he famous? Was your grandfather famous?

Gemma: I mean, back in the day, maybe, probably not.

Tommy: You need famous people in your family.

Peter: My grandfather popularised hyperbaric chambers for use in sport. He was a sports doctor, so he was a sports doctor in the AFL, the F1, okay, at the cricket, I think. Correct me if I'm wrong, Dad, if you're watching. And my uncle, so his son, he played footy for St Kilda and cricket for the MCC. So he's got his name and photo on the wall at the MCC.

Josh: Oh, that's so nice.

Tommy: It gets you thinking, like, a claim to fame. What do you want your claim to fame be? Yeah, because whether you have kids or not, you know, like, yeah, what's Bodie gonna say looking up?

Peter: Like, my dad used to do this.

Tommy: Yeah, what do you reckon? I don't know, he already knows what we do. Show him this. This is pretty good.

Gemma: As soon as you've got like a name or something on a wall, that's the logo. Poppy's name's still on the locker at Pump Road, so I'm like, oh yeah, that's good.

Tommy: What do you want to be famous— what do you, what do you want to be known for, Gemma?

Gemma: I don't know, I actually have no idea. I'm a star.

Tommy: Well, you're going to be a star.

Gemma: I have a lot of, I have a lot of star power. Um, no, I don't, I don't know. I don't think I have to be known for anything specific.

Tommy: I think it's probably a good way to get clear on, like, it doesn't have to be, I want to be a famous movie star, but it's like What do people know you for? What do you think about that, Pete? I could—

Josh: But do you think people care more if you can— like, I'm not planning on having kids, so I feel like maybe there's less of a feeling of like, because you're not going to have that moment of telling, like, your son telling the kids at school.

Tommy: Yeah, that's the byproduct of doing the thing. So you can still be like, what do I want to be known for? What I want to be famous for?

Josh: Like, it's like legacy.

Tommy: Uncle. Yeah, I think uncle. Yeah, Uncle Josh, the cool uncle. Yeah, exactly. Oh, that's what you want to strive for, just the cool uncle?

Josh: The cool uncle. Well, that's why I give Bodhi biscuits every time he comes here.

Gemma: I just drop the Vogue profile into every conversation. Oh yeah, I'm like, well, Vogue Australia said Gemma Watts knows beauty and you'd be wise to take her word on it.

Tommy: What would I know? What about like, is there one thing though, like you could put it down to, like if there's an achievement, it's like build something, have the biggest something?

Gemma: Nah, I don't know. I don't think that far ahead. I just, I liked what Zoe was saying, like, as long as you're doing good work in the moment, then the rest is fine. Yeah, I agree with that.

Tommy: We're just monsters wanting the biggest, biggest podcast, biggest show in the world, the best, the biscuit king.

Gemma: But then I don't know, like, I don't know about just the word best. Because like the best biscuit. Yeah, I don't know, it just feels really lofty.

Tommy: It's so subjective too.

Josh: Yeah, but that's what, that's what almost makes it— what I love about best is because it's so subjective, and so then it's almost like the best version. So we can be the best podcast and show in the world based on the very specific thing that we're delivering. Yeah, which is in Abbotsford on Ferguson Street with Tommy and Josh, who has a producer of Mr. 97. For that, we are the best in the world.

Gemma: Unless it's someone down the road. Why does that title mean something to you?

Josh: It's more of a posture to go into situations with that in mind. So then what it's really saying, it's an external version of saying, do the best that you can possibly do. Yeah, okay. It means it's like essentially the same thing, tricking yourself into it. Yeah, I think that like self-talk, like it's the whole imposter syndrome thing, Pete. I reckon we limit our beliefs, so then if we make them a bit more external and say we want to be the world's best, then we will at the very least reach our limit, whatever that is.

Peter: Yeah, I think there's like a, there's a happy medium where I feel like self-help can be summarised as most people are capable of more than they realize. And so there's that tension of accepting that, acknowledging that, and living that, but not getting so attached to success being the thing that's going to make you happy, and that being the best is the thing that's going to make you happy. So it's like this dance— I know you love dance metaphors— it's this dance between—

Josh: can we get the two-step at the end of the show? We could do it as a boomerang.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Peter: So yeah, I think there's a— I think there's tension between both both is acknowledging that, not creating limiting beliefs for yourself. So stepping into this idea that I could probably do more than I'm capable of, than I realize, but also not being so attached to, you know, once I've got success, whatever that means, then I'll be happy, then I'll be excited, then I'll do the next thing.

Josh: Well, that's not living in the present, is it?

Tommy: That's all.

Josh: Yeah, but then, then there's also like, um, sorry, Tommy wants to make a toast.

Tommy: What's interesting though is if you don't have a clear thing that you're sort of going for, you end up doing something great, or you put in all this work and something gets picked up as the thing that you're known for. Michael Bungay Stanier, we went to a great, amazing day.

Josh: Yeah, it's actually the last name I always fuck up. I say Stainer. Stainer. Stainer. It's spelled S-T-A-N-I-E-R.

Peter: I'm more interested in the Bungay.

Josh: Yeah, Michael Bungay Stanier.

Tommy: That's awesome. Yeah.

Josh: Anyway, fucking great name.

Tommy: That's the name. And he was working within a company that invented stuffed crust pizza. So, like the crust stuffed. Cheese usually, isn't it? Yes.

Josh: Cheese stuffed crust, which I think he was trying to imply that that was like he wasn't doing important work. But I started to clap. I was the only one in out of of how many people were there? 80 people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was clapping.

Tommy: But anyway, but I mean, I thought it was a cool fact and I'd like to be known for that, to be honest. I mean, he's done a lot of great other things, sold 700,000 books, you know, like crazy achievements. But it's interesting to see, like, if you go on this journey to wherever you're going, there will be things along the way that end up being chosen by other people to say, hey, look at that, you're the guy that did that Obike thing, you're the guy, whatever it is, right? Whether you like it or not. And so then it's what are you doing?

Gemma: Because if you get known for the MC gal, which is pretty much it, it's the beauty. It sounds really up myself, but in Melbourne I'm definitely like at the top of my industry. Yeah.

Tommy: Which is a good thing. Yeah. So you've, you've, you've made that the thing that you want to be known for.

Josh: You are the world's best person in Melbourne. Like the Ferguson Street thing.

Gemma: But I just don't think I need to be the best as long as I'm doing good work, which I fucking am.

Tommy: Yeah. And you're confident about it, that's for sure. You know, a little bit too much. If we all took that confidence.

Josh: We were talking the other day about perfect days. Pete's been able to do his perfect day.

Peter: That was fun. I've been dying to try.

Gemma: Just because I did flag with everyone, not one person has mentioned sex in their perfect day.

Josh: That is true. I mean, I'm focusing too much on my testicles.

Peter: I mentioned to you that it was just assumed. I didn't have to spell that out.

Gemma: Okay, well, in that case, I won't include it in mine. Heavy undertones of sex throughout her day. Definitely.

Tommy: But if you don't mention Chris— Oh yeah, you've got to mention him.

Gemma: Yeah, yeah, because everyone's sort of fucked up there.

Josh: So what's your day? Go into a lot of detail. Okay.

Gemma: Yeah, it's like a red brick wall. It's so specific.

Josh: Yeah. And I, the next day I had the best day. Blue sky, brick wall.

Gemma: I would wake up early but not be tired. That would be a nice thing.

Josh: What's the deal about waking up? Is everyone tired at the moment?

Gemma: No, I'm good. Okay. I feel great. Yeah, I'm good.

Josh: What about like day to day? I mean, Pete's about to go away to New York.

Peter: I'm pretty religious with my sleep. It's like one thing I won't sacrifice, getting enough sleep. Yeah, same.

Gemma: I love sleep. I would wake up, I'm going to say like maybe 6, and then I would like to be near the beach, like go for a swim, because that would be nice.

Josh: Would the creek do it for you? No, not even close. What is it? Coonong?

Gemma: Coonong Creek has the highest concentration of E. coli in any Victorian waterway. And so, yeah, it is nice. 10 times the safe swimming limit.

Josh: What's E. coli gonna do to you? Kill you.

Gemma: It's not gonna do anything good. A boy from my school, 'cause we'd all walk home along the creek, he was like, I'm gonna swim in it. He had to take a week off school.

Tommy: Oh my God, really? Wow. Ear infection.

Josh: It's fucking funny. What a storey though.

Tommy: What a story.

Gemma: He was in the creek and I'm like, this is truly the worst idea anyone's had.

Peter: What were you thinking, buddy? Yeah, it wasn't impressive.

Tommy: So yeah, no COVID at the beach.

Josh: So I can't swim. Yeah. What suburb in Australia or the world? I don't know.

Tommy: Well, you can know, so just make it up. Because then it's what you want.

Josh: Yeah, we need to be specific.

Gemma: It would still, it would be nice to be somewhere in Victoria because later in my day, I obviously want to see my friends and family.

Tommy: So interesting. Down the Mornington Peninsula, you got a beautiful little pad.

Gemma: Yeah, I could do that.

Josh: Maybe Torquay.

Tommy: It's the other side, it's a bit further, a bit further, like a bit further to get to.

Gemma: I don't, I don't really mind the location. Doesn't up, it doesn't matter. Um, I'll go for a swim and I'd come back and I'd have a really nice breakfast. I'd have some, probably some poachies, maybe like some avo.

Josh: And I guess the drink? Yeah, a glass of orange juice.

Gemma: I hate orange juice. A long black. Long black.

Josh: Yeah, obviously you're perfect. Are we being serious when we say that?

Gemma: Actually, Kate and I have had a conversation about this behind your back. Yeah, why? You really pushed back on like, if someone's making the perfect coffee for you, why would you have a long black?

Josh: Well, I'm more of a night— like, I had an iced latte. Yeah, this morning.

Gemma: I don't understand the pushback on the long—

Josh: I actually had a really good long black the other day and I was like, yeah, delicious. I actually think I like a long black Long black more than drip.

Tommy: If you, yeah, yeah, because it's real, it's like a real, you get a little froth.

Josh: I was almost like, oh, is there something else in here?

Tommy: Yeah, but if you drink long blacks for 30 days across November, October, so once we, yeah, moving into October, you'd just be cool with it. Yeah, it would be like, yeah, that's a good coffee.

Josh: It's gonna be just buzzing all the time.

Gemma: Okay, so long black drink, and then would have been a little mug.

Josh: When do they put long blacks in a little mug?

Tommy: Always little mug? What do you mean?

Josh: I had a long black the other day. She's just going to say however, whatever size.

Tommy: If you go to a bogan one, you'll get a bloody bowl. If you go to a hipster one, you'll get this little thing that's like hard to pick up. Yeah.

Josh: It's like a vase. Yeah. Whose finger's getting through that little handle? Not that of some, that's for sure.

Tommy: Just hook it in.

Josh: I can't get this on the big Berwick one, just, you know, mugs either.

Tommy: So anyway, so you get your long black and eggs. Beautiful.

Gemma: Damn. You know what? This is going to sound so silly. I would have my hair and makeup done. I find that so relaxing. I would have that done.

Josh: At a shopping centre or what sort of—

Gemma: No, no, no. That would be coming to me. Yes. No, you know what? I'm going to scrap that. I'm going to have that later in the day because I'm going to do some work first.

Josh: You don't like working with makeup?

Gemma: No, it's unnecessary if I'm just sitting at my computer. What sort of work?

Tommy: Does it feel—

Gemma: Writing work. And then maybe I would take one of my cameras out, like the old film ones. Oh, here we go. Yeah, that would be fun. I enjoy doing that when it's not like for a client.

Josh: I'm just curious on the makeup thing. What's the feeling?

Gemma: It's just very like, it's just about as you know.

Josh: So when you're at your computer, you're like, oh, it's unnecessary to have makeup on.

Gemma: Well, I'm not seeing anyone at this point.

Josh: But is it? So you would, if people couldn't see you, you wouldn't do the makeup. I guess that makes sense. It doesn't feel nice on your face? No, it feels fine.

Gemma: I just, I just don't care. So I might do some work in the morning and then I'd probably have lunch with Chris. I liked how you were like, maybe Chelsea's having her perfect day. And then I like that idea.

Peter: That was a good integration. Yeah.

Gemma: So maybe Chris is having his perfect day and then we have lunch together. Then—

Tommy: Nice to assume that you're a part of his perfect day.

Gemma: Look at me. Then I would like to—

Josh: But is Taco Bell open during the day? I would do— Perfect day, you can do what you want. You're a franchisee.

Gemma: Hey boss. I would go and do like a dance class or something. Yeah, in the afternoon, that would be fun. Like barre? No, no, probably like, probably jazz.

Josh: Then, or like, probably harder to find near the coast. It's my perfect day.

Tommy: There's dance schools everywhere nowadays.

Gemma: Then I would come back, then I would have my hair and makeup done. And then at like 3:30.

Josh: Yeah.

Gemma: And then all of my friends would come over like early-ish afternoon, and then we'd have a big party and there'd be dancing and there'd be food and there'd be drinks and there'd be more dancing. And then it would wrap up early because we started early in the afternoon.

Josh: What's on the table?

Gemma: Everything. Everything except ouzo, sambuca. That's pretty much it.

Josh: You have bad experiences with them? No, they're just—

Gemma: I don't like, like, aniseed.

Tommy: Oh yeah, it's a good day. Yeah, I just like to be around people.

Josh: And so then evening, this—

Gemma: we— the party goes into the evening.

Josh: It's until like 8 PM. Longer. You said early finish. Yeah, what time? 9:30?

Tommy: No, anything before 12 is it? Yeah, exactly. For night— like for nights out. Yeah.

Josh: If you're starting though at like 2 PM.

Gemma: Yeah, that's fine. I love a daydream. You start.

Josh: So, the problem with this perfect day is what's different is that normally our perfect days are this sort of sustainable thing that we can do every single day.

Gemma: I don't think that they are. Most of them have started with like, I would do 1 hour of work and then I would swim. But that's good.

Josh: But I just don't know about the part, like getting your, you're having your perfect day. It's my perfect day.

Gemma: I can have a party.

Josh: But I just think getting How many days in a row would you have the party with your friends before it would get old? I don't know. 3. Okay. So I get it.

Gemma: That's how I recharge, being around people. When I'm just in my own space, that's when I feel like I'm down.

Josh: So it could be because there is a bit of a culture of that in like Hollywood or successful singers that just sort of have an entourage and they'll pay them all. Would you— I feel like I could be like that when I'm older if I had a bunch of coin, just sort of to not have to worry about the whole friendship thing. Just like, hey, do you want to— what do you like doing? And they say, um, I love driving. I'm sorry, okay, well, you're the driver. Oh, you'd have to—

Tommy: so the money's the equation here.

Josh: Oh yeah, that's a lot of cash, basically paying your friends to do things for you, but they're all happy because they're doing what they love as well. Yeah, so it's like Oh yeah, I used to work at a really good restaurant and now I look after Josh's meals. Yeah.

Peter: Personal chef is so high on the priority list for me. A personal chef. Really? Cadbury, I've got that sorted. Yeah. Yeah. The personal chef. I would love that.

Josh: You love cooking? Yeah.

Gemma: See, I, for the party, I would be cooking everything. That's what I do. Oh no. Oh, I love the experience. Would you have a grazing table?

Josh: Yes, of course. You must. Charcuterie board of some sort? Of course. What's a charcuterie board? Chacuteries, like cured meats and cheeses and dips.

Tommy: You must try it. I didn't know the name.

Josh: Yeah, so also cod dip. It's cod dip.

Tommy: Cod dip. Cob dip. Oh yeah, cod loaf filled with that cheesy oniony yumminess. Yeah, we should do one of those for Fat Friday.

Josh: Absolutely ruined some of them, like getting to the point, you know, because you're tearing it off. Yeah, to the point where it's just oniony. Do you feel, do you feel awful once you have that? Oh, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tommy: Yeah, drinking 17 beers as well. Are you, um, Josh mentioned you're gonna quit drinking. You were thinking about it?

Peter: Yeah, I've been noodling on it, thinking about it, maybe. Yeah. Drinking while you're thinking? Yeah, I just, I think I might have had a couple of wines when I was thinking about it.

Tommy: I was just like, made you feel good about the thing.

Peter: What's it for? Like, why do I do it? Do I need to do it? And what would I gain by not doing it? I've been thinking about that for a while. Yeah. My brother's got a rule this year. He has been talking probably for like 10 years, I reckon, about not drinking because he went pretty hard growing up. And so, he's got this rule with his partner now where they only are allowed to drink outside of Australia. So, when they're on holiday, they'll have a wine.

Josh: He's a vagabond. He's travelled every state.

Peter: This year he's been a lot of places. Yeah. But so, he's off the mainland to drink. But so, they don't drink in Australia, but when they go on holiday, they're like, yeah, let's have a wine. Wine and that sort of thing. I think that's a pretty cool rule. I like that.

Tommy: I love that. How are you going with it? Yeah, really good. It's, um, but I'm trying to work out— I need a rule because I, and I like that one. I've been thinking, I was thinking 80/20 rule, and I was like, what's 80/20 on 365? Way too many days that I could drink. Yeah. What's the 80/20 rule on 52 weeks? Which works out to be about 10.

Josh: The exact same equation.

Tommy: No, it's not. No, it's not. So I'm just saying, if I was only to ever drink on weekends So I did, I did every day, then I did 80/20 of it every day. And so what's 20% of 365? It's fucking 60-something days I could drink a year, the weekend, which was like, that's too many because I don't want to drink the same. Yeah, and then you go 52 weeks, and if I just go weekends, what's 80/20 rule of weekends? Yeah, sure, it becomes 10 or just a bit over 10. So I rounded it down to 10, and then I was like, yeah, I mean, that could work. Out of 10, I can drink only on weekends and it can be 10 occasions across the year. Or I can drink 10 times, doesn't matter when. Yeah. Only 10 times in a year.

Peter: We could do like only on Fridays or something like that.

Tommy: So yeah, and then there's 52 potentially. Yeah, which is still a few. But then I like that, the overseas rule.

Peter: Yeah, that's been his rule.

Josh: So the thing I don't like about the overseas rule is that you and I will do a lot of overseas stuff with the Daily Talk Show.

Tommy: But it doesn't mean I'm getting fucked up. It doesn't mean you have to. I was drinking in Central Park back, some guy came up with the cervezas. What do you want one? I bought a little Corona, which was really nice.

Josh: Yeah, do you remember we had the blow up because, uh, you were really exhausted and all that sort of thing, and then we went to Chinese Tuxedo and you're like, man, I'm so fucked. And then Eddie Buckingham, lovely guy, was like, come on down for a drink. And then Tommy's all of a sudden, he was having a drink. I was just like, mate, you were such a fucking sook and couldn't even do— you were saying you couldn't do it.

Tommy: Well, now you're having the drink. It's like, if you feel shit and you drink, you feel good. This is why people who feel shit about everything drink to feel good. So it's like you can drink. It's an anti-anxiety medication.

Gemma: I refuse to drink if I'm in a bad mood for that reason.

Tommy: Well, because it'll make you feel good and that's not what you want. Yeah.

Gemma: I just, yeah. It numbs the— Yeah. I don't know. It just seems a bit dangerous to me.

Tommy: Oh no, of course it is. That's the thing. It can get you through.

Gemma: Fortunately, I'm in a good mood most of the time.

Josh: Your point was you would only do it if you're tired and traveling.

Tommy: No, my point is that you tried to say that because, you know, I was shit and then I chose to drink. It's like, it's actually an antidote to the bullshit you're feeling sometimes, but it's not good. So it catches up with you. The thing is, getting pissed is the problem.

Peter: Exactly. Yeah.

Tommy: Waking up feeling shit, it's the problem. And then no sleep.

Peter: And then so it's like, and the trickle-down effect of like, then you eat like shit, which means you feel like crap and you don't work out.

Josh: Super dangerous. So what's the diff— what's the deal with wines? Because Bri and I will share a bottle of red wine. Mm-hmm. Is it 8.8 standard drinks? 8 standard drinks. I'm not saying that I'm going to like upgrade that, but do people have 2 bottles in an evening? Is that what people do normally?

Tommy: I could drink a bottle myself pretty easily. But then the thing is, everyone's different.

Gemma: It's like what your body can handle.

Josh: Well, Bri likes white wine. I'm not necessarily a fan.

Tommy: It's gross unless it's hot.

Peter: Yeah. Unless it's hot. Yeah. Not into it.

Gemma: But it's got to be like something dry. I don't like a sweet.

Tommy: Oh yeah, sweet's rancid. But if you're drinking a bottle by yourself, it's still 8. Like you can get a bottle into 2 glasses. How many calories? How many calories are we talking? Be shitloads. If there's— if let's, let's have a guess and then we'll get Mr. 97 to pull it up. I don't look at calories in a bottle. So in a beer bottle, there's around 280 to 380 calories. In a beer bottle.

Josh: I reckon 640 calories in a red wine.

Tommy: 600, maybe more because of the grape.

Gemma: Calories are probably the thing I care about least in life. I think counting calories is like the most dangerous thing you can do.

Tommy: A bottle of red wine calories.

Peter: Which drop? Pinot is lower. I know that it's lower in cals.

Josh: So if you want to— Oh really? Pinot, yeah. Pinot, what are we talking? 622. Oh, how would you say? 6 Did I say 6:30 or 6:40?

Peter: What, what drop is that, Seb? Does it say?

Tommy: Uh, no, I just literally typed in calories. Red wine. Red wine. I think it's red. Yeah, but it's solid. It's interesting. So that's— oh, I'm obsessed with—

Josh: I'm obsessed with calories. Oh, it's literally—

Tommy: you should— nothing between—

Josh: you need to get out of that. It can be quite effective though, don't you think? Is it effective? Yeah, when I don't think about it, I always eat in excess. When I'm thinking about calories, I actually end up like maintaining. Yeah, just eat when you want.

Tommy: Who the fuck says that though?

Josh: That's silly. There's literally a diet. Eat when I'm hungry. Yeah, which is—

Tommy: yeah, it says eat when you're hungry. Some really dumb people talking about diets. Oh, so true.

Gemma: Yeah, but I just don't I don't think dieting is a good idea. Just make the right choice.

Josh: No, but that's like telling a heroin addict, just make the right choices. I'm a junkie. I don't know.

Gemma: I just think it's— It's a complete—

Tommy: I have more empathy for people with food addiction since hanging around Josh. Sure. Because you can see him physically sad.

Josh: You seen him at the cheesecake, like running out of the office yesterday? That's intriguing. Wow. Tommy, you had that left— No, I didn't. But 97 left there for an entire day. I put it in the bin.

Tommy: I was going to have a little nibble this morning. I took the maccas out, Josh.

Josh: Okay, there we go. Do you like cheesecake?

Tommy: Yeah, love it. I love all cake. Most cake is good.

Peter: Yeah, I had a chat to Craig Harper recently. We had this conversation around what's the food you would eat all the time if you knew you were gonna have no repercussions?

Josh: And he was like, cheesecake straight away.

Tommy: Do you know the thing about people bringing cheesecakes to his talks?

Peter: Yeah, he was mentioning that.

Tommy: Yeah. They know it's his kryptonite and he doesn't open the door to cheesecake heaven. And so he keeps it closed because otherwise he'll blow out. So, but people would bring him, oh, because you love cheesecake, I got you a cheesecake.

Josh: Do you have a personal storey around food or something that makes you get so upset about calories?

Gemma: Yeah, absolutely. I ate terrible, like high school, I was obsessive. I didn't have an eating disorder, but I was certainly like, like disordered eating is where I was.

Tommy: Craig Hubbard says, and so what, like most people don't have eating disorders but they have disordered eating disorders.

Josh: And so what does that mean?

Gemma: Well, I just had a bit of body dysmorphia. I thought I was so fat. Now I look at photos from that time and I was not. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know if it's different.

Josh: And so there's orthorexia, which is the over-healthy eating type of thing. But I feel like I'm so far away from— No, I wasn't doing that.

Gemma: I was just not eating. Ballet will do that too.

Josh: And that's what this whole fasting culture does. Yeah. I was pretty pumped I didn't have dinner last night. I had some strawberries. So this— But I was— I knew that I was like at a calorie deficit. Oh yeah, yeah. Why were you pumped? Well, because I was like, I feel better. Like, because food is such a— like, when I got home, uh, Bree had a course on. I was like, I'm gonna fucking have Uber Eats. I'm gonna fucking do it. And I thought about it, I was like, um, you're about to go to bed in 2 hours. Yeah, you probably don't even need to eat something. So I had some strawberries, it was all good.

Gemma: But the fact that you're pumped about it—

Josh: Yeah, I'm a bit fucked. Yeah, but what is it?

Gemma: You should maybe talk to someone about it.

Tommy: You know his rule about psychologists. Yeah, I know.

Josh: Absolutely not. I didn't realise it was that bad. Yeah, no, like, I am— yeah, food. Yeah, yeah, no, it's my one— yeah, like, my hat— so much of my mood is based on what I've eaten.

Tommy: Okay, you should have just said food, it would have rhymed. So much of my mood is based on food.

Josh: It's true though, I've done every, every diet. I did the, um, I've done fasting, I've done the, uh, juice, juice stuff, but I didn't like the juices. So I was drinking orange, only orange juice. Oh my God. And I ended up after 7 days just with like cracked orange. I almost looked like the Joker. It was not ideal.

Gemma: I just don't let any of my girlfriends talk about weight around me. I just think it's— and what do they say? They still will complain, but I just—

Peter: no, it's just like extreme anything is not healthy. Yeah, like extreme, and in every context of life. Like extreme eating one way is not healthy, extremely in the other way is not healthy. Extreme left in politics is not healthy, extreme Right in politics is not healthy. Extreme non-exercise is not healthy. Extreme over-exercising— like everything, nothing good comes from extremes.

Josh: But isn't the, the biggest myth that like balance is easy? Or like, I don't think people are promoting balance as being easy, but they're saying balance. I think most people— I think it's just, it's just balance. It just requires balance. And the thing is, it's like, yeah, balance is like the— that is the whole thing. It's just like for some people they're like, oh, like just you have— I think for me it's about like segmenting and saying, I am— I can only be— do balance if it's like I'm only eating bad food on these days, but then the rest of these days I'm only eating good food in quotation marks, being, you know, but I'm getting into salads.

Tommy: But the 80/20 rule thing is like, that's not balanced on a percentage scale. It's not 50/50. Yeah, it's a rule. And so the thing is, rules are great. Craig Khan doesn't do it. Yeah. So if you implement a rule that takes away— or if you have a rule, I hate them. Well, a rule. Okay, then another way of looking at it, a habit. Habit could be a rule.

Josh: A rule. Because the thing is, like, we always talk about this, like, not having a strategy is a strategy whether you like it or not. So it's like if you go to grilled and you don't get the chippies, that might be a win.

Peter: Why are you at Grilled? Because they do delicious— that's what I mean. Like, if you're going to Grilled, you have to get the chippies. Yeah, yeah, that's what, that's what Grilled's all about.

Tommy: Look, if you're trying to get lean, don't go there. Grilled with this guy. I love chippies.

Josh: You have to get chippies. Which ones, the standard or the sweet potato?

Peter: Oh good, that's tough. Depending on my mood. You can mix.

Josh: We've got the mix of 3. Not enough.

Peter: The teeny ones aren't. Yeah, I don't do it.

Tommy: I'm pretty sure the chilli ones have more calories than in the sauce.

Josh: The sweet pot has more calories.

Tommy: Is that from the Savvy Dietitian? She did a— she did—

Josh: you would hate the Savvy Dietitian Instagram. I absolutely love it, but she puts side by side of different foods just to give you a sense of the—

Gemma: I mean, to each their own. I just know what triggers me.

Josh: Well, yeah, I used to be, I did Weight Watchers as a kid as well. Oh my God. What else?

Tommy: But I mean, these things become a problem when your body's more predisposed to putting on weight than this guy. Yeah.

Peter: Tall gronk. Can't put on weight. It's impossible.

Tommy: Mate, you could eat triple Josh's bad diet of when he was a kid. You'd feel like shit. Yeah, you'd feel like shit, but you wouldn't put on weight.

Peter: Like in America, I will eat way worse than I do when I'm in Melbourne. I won't exercise and I won't get as much sleep. And I'll lose weight. It's exactly the same as Chris.

Gemma: They've built exactly the same. It's really fucking annoying.

Tommy: And so when, so you gotta understand the, what it mentally does to a person when that's their experience. So it's like, yeah, skinny people don't get the hate. No, not at all. Larger people do and vice versa.

Peter: And like, yeah, people trying to say, oh, just go to the gym and put on some muscle. I'm like, I don't think you understand. It's not quite that easy for me.

Tommy: Which then is also the issue with diets, because unless somebody has tailored the diet specifically— and that's the thing with, um, even the fasting thing, it's not sat down with somebody, it's just like, don't eat these hours and then start eating. It's like, it's one part of a huge equation. Yeah.

Peter: And most of the smart people that you hear in this space say it is unique to each individual. There is no one diet that fits everyone. It's just a ridiculous notion that everyone has something unique about the way that they consume and digest food. And how that makes them feel and react. And so there's just no one universal diet. So like, I've been to a nutritionist, I've got a personal plan on what looks and feels and makes me function in a high way, in a high-performing way. And you know, Chelsea's the same. And I think, I think that's a better approach than like, but everyone should be taking— you're doing paleo, everyone should be fasting. It just doesn't make sense.

Josh: But then that's what's weird about like culture and geography, because like, oh, if you you live in this area, you have these foods available. Like, we all sort of— how are we making the decision? Like, it feels like there's the unconscious, which is just what's available to me. What's living in Shepparton?

Tommy: Fucking 4 McDonald's within the area of Shepparton. There's a couple of caves.

Josh: Did you work out the best Macca's out of the 4? Are they all very consistent?

Tommy: No. Yeah, the one we went to was best. Yeah, yeah, great.

Peter: The general rule I've heard that I like is if you shop on the outside of the supermarket, supermarket, you'll do quite well. So like fruit and veg, a bit of dairy, some meat, and then I think like frozen berries and stuff on the other side. So keep on the outside of the supermarket and don't go inside those aisles.

Josh: But the annoying thing is the Tim Tams are inside. Which is the point. Anyway, it's a daily talk show. Gem, you've sold out your—

Gemma: Yeah, 45 seconds. That was ridiculous.

Tommy: Yeah, crazy. So you launched your live event and it sold out.

Gemma: Yeah. In 45 seconds. 5 minutes. That's outrageous. Yeah, yeah, I still can't really believe it. I had in my head that because they went on sale at 10 o'clock in the morning and then I had to go, I had to leave my house at 10 past 10, and then I was going to be back at midday and I was like, oh, maybe I'll see like the first couple get sold and then I'll come back at midday and a few more might have sold. Yeah, 1 minute past 10, I'm getting messages from people that they're fucking gone.

Tommy: I mean, what I found more impressive was Bree's ability to snag 2 tickets in that first 45 seconds. What a freak!

Josh: So lucky, isn't it? That's why I talk about Bree's very good with that sort of shit.

Tommy: On to that shit. Like admin.

Josh: Unbelievable. Just puts plants in the fridge though. Yeah, the cooking in general. The cooking in general. Got strengths.

Tommy: Yeah. You got your weaknesses.

Peter: Yeah, exactly.

Gemma: Does she not? Does she not?

Josh: She's not great at— No, it's not a strength.

Peter: Careful. I love her.

Tommy: But she can get tickets to your live shows.

Josh: Yeah, she's amazing. And she will do the Uber Eats orders on my behalf, which is an extra level of lazy on my end.

Gemma: We're going to have a little shindig for the 500 episode 500. I have a different crown ready for that. I bought the expensive one. Can I feel the—

Tommy: yes, thank you. Uh, before— I mean, we haven't locked in all details, but if you are wanting to come, you need to show your interest by emailing hi@thedailytalkshow.com, "Time to party" in the, uh, subject.

Gemma: It's time to party. And tell them who your favourite character for the Daily Talk Show is.

Tommy: Yeah, you can do that, but we just want to know if you'll come. It's in Melbourne. It's on the 29th of Tuesday, the 29th of October. 29th of October.

Gemma: Josh told me to save the date and I was like, I had it saved from episode 400.

Tommy: Yes. Anyway, any suggestions to a couple of incapable gronks?

Peter: That's a polite way of saying you're a gronk. How do we, how do they sell out the event in 45 seconds?

Josh: We're not going to be selling tickets. That's the first thing.

Gemma: Okay. Well, there you go.

Josh: So that makes it easy. Lower the bar.

Tommy: But I mean, there's a lot more than just selling the tickets. You get it, like, to put on an event.

Gemma: Well, I don't— I mean, it's—

Tommy: what, what sort of— think about us, Taylor. Don't be the diet preacher, be this specific, you know, the specific dietitian for the Gronks. For these Gronks. Yeah. So what's the tailored advice knowing that we're just absolute Gronks?

Gemma: Do we need security? No. Oh no, that's a venue thing.

Tommy: No, it's a venue thing. It's a venue thing and an alcohol thing.

Gemma: I've got security because it's a licenced venue and they—

Tommy: and venue has security all the time.

Josh: Exactly.

Tommy: Arriving in a bulletproof car. Yes. Yeah, soft shell where I roll in.

Josh: Yeah, that was—

Tommy: it's actually a, um, uh, tuk-tuk. No, what do you call them? Uh, what's it? Oh yeah, you love the name. New York City, you ride around in the rickshaw. Yeah, we're getting a rickshaw to ours. But any advice? What?

Gemma: Well, okay, so I, I mean, I don't know your process, but for me, I'm like, I'm just so visual. So when I was planning everything, I had a full mood board of every single element. Like, get on Pinterest. Yeah, that's what I've done, but I've got a Pinterest board, and then you make Pinterest boards inside the Pinterest board. So I have one for um, like the flowers. I had one for the, like, the event in general. Do you have balloons? No, just flowers. Balloons are not on brand for Glow Journal. Yeah, you just have to know what's on brand and what's not on brand. Not great for penguins.

Tommy: Yeah, exactly. Surprise and delight for us. Make it free. Uh, they're not expecting much. Yeah, yeah, they come and it's like you've gone to a venue. Yeah, something that you pay for.

Josh: There's a musical performance, acoustic.

Tommy: There'll be an acoustic, there'll be tattoo artist, there will be—

Gemma: I would love that, I want one so bad.

Josh: Would you get the Daily Talk Show tattoo?

Tommy: No. What would you get? Little, let me guess, little banana on your wrist?

Peter: No, I don't get it. Some hieroglyphics along your arm. Yeah, I know, what's the banana?

Tommy: Sorry, sorry, it's the other way. My friend, I know this girl who got, uh, what I thought was a banana, it was meant to be a half moon, it looked like a banana.

Josh: What's the half moon? Your little star, your little half moon.

Gemma: No, what are you— you didn't have some little bitch?

Tommy: I don't know, mate. You want to be the grid girlfriend? You want to be the grid girl for our bloody Billy Cart race?

Gemma: But that feels on brand for Gem K Watts, just not for Go Journal. No, that's more on brand for old mate Wattsy.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, definitely. I had that. What about Halloween?

Josh: What about Halloween themed?

Gemma: Well, okay, so I love to dress as someone that had a costume 21st. What did you dress up as? It was a circus, so I was the ringleader, obviously. But other people don't like dressing up, so I had a bucket at the door of all like animal masks and shit.

Tommy: Remember I mentioned that?

Peter: I can't stand Halloween-themed things. I don't know what it is.

Gemma: I just don't understand Halloween at all about it. We're in Australia.

Peter: Yeah, like the coworking space I'm at, they don't do a Christmas party. Their big thing is the Halloween party. I'm like, I just don't care. This is Australia. I just don't care. Exactly. I don't understand.

Josh: But who would you go as?

Peter: I wouldn't go. I haven't been. I've been there the last 2 years and I don't go. Yeah, just because I'm like, I just don't love a sexy costume on Halloween.

Gemma: I think that defeats the purpose.

Tommy: If you went to a Halloween—

Gemma: well, you were— I've got that.

Josh: You were a whole circle the other—

Gemma: what was that circle? That was a good costume because it was an around the world— I feel like you tried to wrap this up 15 minutes ago. I'm still talking. It was an around the world themed party, so everyone was like an air hostess, like a French maid, and then I came.

Tommy: This is amazing.

Gemma: Love it. I've still got that that it, you press a button and it inflates.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, you, so you make it easy for the people coming because what you've done is actually just said you're going to get $300 worth of goodies in a, in a bag. Yes. And I mean, I'm there.

Josh: I think a Halloween, I think we could do Halloween.

Tommy: Yeah, like just get there, we'll get there. You know what we really need to do? Lock the venue in. Yeah.

Josh: Didn't you say it was confirmed?

Tommy: No, I didn't say it was confirmed.

Josh: 8U79, they can say it.

Tommy: I didn't say it was confirmed. I said I need to send them an email.

Gemma: Josh told me it was confirmed.

Josh: We mentioned it on the show. Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: But if you listen back, I think Tommy, his words were, we're looking at it. You said exactly what I said. Yeah, I actually listened.

Josh: We're looking at the MCG as well.

Peter: I've been to an event there. It's a good venue.

Tommy: It's a great venue.

Josh: Yeah. Anything else happening with you, Pete? I'm flying out tomorrow. Yeah, that's great.

Tommy: I'll see you guys in a few weeks. Enjoy your trip. Make sure you get that two-step happening in New York.

Josh: Yeah, it's gonna be fun visiting friends, gonna do some Instagram posts. Yeah, visiting friends.

Peter: I'll do— I might do a couple Instagram friends with me and my friends. Yep.

Josh: So, road trip, because I just, I just said that.

Peter: I was like, oh, actually I'm catching up with a friend called Jen, so I thought you might have been. Yeah, yeah.

Josh: It's a Daily Talk Show. Hi@thedailytalkshow.com is the email address if you want to send us an email.

Tommy: It's time to party in the subject line if you want to come to our live event. Apple Podcasts, uh, Apple Podcast reviews.

Josh: Apple Podcasts. People can leave a review if they like. You guys have got heaps. Yeah, it is going well actually. So that would be nice to continue.

Gemma: I sometimes feel like I should remove my old one and leave a new one.

Tommy: I don't know if you can. Just when you're in the Apple Store, leave us a couple on all those devices.

Gemma: I already did a year ago.

Josh: No, but as in go into an Apple Store.

Gemma: Oh, in a store. I thought you meant like—

Josh: No, no, no. Okay. Go to any sort of retailer with an iPhone.

Tommy: IPhone. I'm sure Chris has got an iPhone. He does. Yep. Uh, old man Watsy?

Gemma: No, no. What's he rocking? Oh God, it's— I don't know, he's basically got two polystyrene cups with a string.

Tommy: All right, leave us a review if you, uh, care to do so. We would love—

Josh: so enjoy the football, guys. We'll see you tomorrow. Catch ya.