I know Taekwondo

Josh: The Daily Talk Show. It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 447.

Tommy: What's happening, guys? What's going on?

Josh: We are currently at AU79.

Tommy: You could be mistaken for thinking we're in a forest. There is a lot of plantation surrounding us, a lot of greenery. Uh, this is what Mason has dubbed his favourite burger place. Is that true?

Mason: True. Yep.

Tommy: Well, the slight caveat to that is he didn't pay for the meal. It was free, which could have enhanced the flavours of it.

Josh: Yeah, absolutely.

Tommy: But I also I thought it was an unbelievable burger.

Josh: I mean, he doesn't really go out much. No. So it was delicious, juicy.

Tommy: Oh yeah. We're here for Fat Friday, obviously. I mean, Campbell, who is also here, he pulled us up and said, oh, I thought you were doing, I thought you weren't doing Fat Friday because remember last week Friday, I ventured into the city and got us bagels and got us all this stuff. And then on the show, you dropped basically that you weren't feeling great. You're feeling a bit frumpy and you didn't want to eat.

Josh: I said, we'll do Fit Fridays. Which I think we will.

Tommy: I say a lot of things.

Josh: Haven't you learned that? I'm just like, sort of, we've actually, uh, there is a, a, uh, fly. I wouldn't say fly. No, it's maybe it's some form of—

Tommy: mate, we're in the forest. There's an anaconda over there slithering along.

Josh: There's a lot of greenery.

Tommy: Um, thank you, Lawrence, who's organised this. Lawrence is the manager here. Absolute legend. This is a place where we come frequently. It's one of the best cafes in Melbourne.

Josh: You go here more. You tend to do a very good job of making friends with people. I can sometimes go months, if not years, at a cafe and not necessarily know that much.

Tommy: And so what, do you just not talk to people? Because I find it—

Josh: Yes, correct.

Tommy: Yeah, okay. So I guess that's my natural reaction in a social situation is to at least engage and say hello, and then over time you develop friendships. Here's the thing about the positive. Let's explore the positives of that.

Josh: And then we'll look at the negatives.

Tommy: Yeah, and then the negatives of how I approach it. So for one, you feel like you're a part of a community and—

Josh: Gross, go on.

Tommy: And you actually can form quite a nice friendship. Number two, I needed to find a location for a shoot. Not this one, but for quite a big one we were doing with the Barefoot Investor. I was stressed and I was worried and I was in here having a coffee. I just thought, oh, Lawrence is my friend through the cafe. He runs the show here. Maybe I could ask him, like, dude, can I— is there any chance of using the backspace to do some filming? This very booth where we are right now.

Josh: Sure.

Tommy: Um, he said, uh, yeah, of course, of course, anything. He's got a great English accent. And then he said, when? I said tomorrow because I'd left it to the last minute, and he said, that's fine, dude. And so I was like, putting yourself out there, the positive of interacting, getting stuff with humans. No, no, it— I get— I understand.

Josh: What have you given Lawrence so far?

Tommy: Um, great shout out on the Daily Talk Show, great banter.

Josh: Um, a bit of cash.

Tommy: No, a bit of cash.

Unknown: That's true.

Josh: You buy your coffee, I buy heaps of shit.

Tommy: I buy lots.

Mason: Eggs on toast.

Tommy: I mean, we bought Mr. 97's burger, um, plus other food. But the point is you're developing a friendship and there are times that you can ask. There's a fine line between just, uh, asking, asking, asking, and I'm on to my second ask and I don't think there's a third, otherwise he'll just think I'm a pest. Can—

Josh: within a business partnership, yeah, maybe we both don't have to be good at it. Maybe you can be the friend finder.

Tommy: Yep, yep.

Josh: And I'm the other guy.

Tommy: I mean, by proxy of the show—

Josh: I'm friends with Lawrence.

Tommy: I know you are, through proxy of me. I introduced you to him. This is my business partner, this is Josh.

Josh: Yeah, Lawrence, but in some ways, like, we both go to the cafe, we're equal friends.

Tommy: You can have it, you can have the friendship as well.

Josh: Um, sound like you didn't want to give it to me though, that's fine.

Tommy: Uh, what else have you— but I think, no, you're right, having the half, like having your side of the coin and my side of the coin is a good equation. What are the benefits of your side of the coin in respects to this?

Josh: Yeah, no drama.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Josh: Never any drama. Um, no, I get it. Like, yeah, it's not getting out, it's not having to worry about getting out of your comfort zone, which is not necessarily a good thing. So I understand that.

Tommy: But yeah, I guess we don't want to spread it too wide. Also, by proxy of this show, you'll find friends. So there is a—

Josh: that is, all the guests that we have, all the Gronks, like, that's good.

Tommy: Campbell, Gronk Campbell's here right now. He's a listener of the show.

Josh: How many friends can one person have? You know, in all seriousness, how many do you think we can have?

Tommy: Um, how many can you store in your top friends on iPhone? You know, like the favorites, which I'll tell you, Josh actually said to me I need you to put me into your top. Anyway, so you're in my top.

Josh: Oh, the burgers are here. Here we go.

Mason: Oh my God.

Josh: We're gonna get Campbell to bring it over.

Tommy: Oh, it's all right. It's all right.

Josh: Oh, is she bringing over?

Tommy: She's gonna bring over 2 more. So she'll bring it over. What a legend. Okay, great. These are looking as good. Hang on, just quickly. So favorites, how many can you have? Currently I've got Amy, Josh, before my mom, you are Josh.

Josh: Oh, great.

Tommy: And then my brother, Reece Mitchell, my other brother, Tim Jackett, my dad, Matt Barr.

Josh: You've got more than— I mean, this— there's a bit of joy in cleaning up your favorites.

Tommy: Well, now you've got—

Josh: I've only got Bree, you, Nayson, Blarj, Till, and Mr. 97.

Tommy: I mean, you don't even have Mum.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Dad.

Josh: No.

Tommy: None of your brothers.

Josh: No. Cut off. Anyway, on the favourites anyway. Oh my God.

Tommy: Campbell, I think—

Josh: So the burgers are here.

Tommy: I think this is—

Josh: Campbell, yeah, can you bring over 2 of the burgers, please?

Tommy: Oh my God.

Josh: Get the one with the most cheese for me, please. That's fine. Yeah, another good one.

Tommy: Poor Campbell. Yeah, he did.

Josh: He chose a good one. Yeah, great. Have you, Campbell, have you ever— oh geez— have you ever worked in hospo?

Unknown: I have. I actually worked at a burger place. It was like my first proper job, and I remember one of the scariest parts was when I actually dropped someone's burger. So right then I was like, just don't drop it again. Like, you've got one time to do it. One more time, just don't do it again.

Tommy: And he no longer works at the burger place. He dropped the second one, if you're wondering. No, Okay, these are huge. That's what I like about them. You know what I like about this also is that it's almost like a home-style burger. Does that make sense? Like an old-style, old-school.

Josh: The funny thing about home-style, whenever I think home-style, always think shit.

Tommy: Do you?

Josh: I think it's based on what you make at home. Janson's cooking. Yeah, I think that like I don't cook that well. I'm gonna hold the microphone for you.

Mason: Okay.

Josh: So one person can start at least eating.

Tommy: What I like is these chips taste like Maccas, but with, um, like chicken salt. And they also supply, uh, tomato sauce.

Josh: So, uh, last night Mr. 97 and I went, uh, on a bit of a date together. You've, you've done it the wrong way.

Tommy: What?

Unknown: What?

Mason: Oh no.

Unknown: What?

Josh: You, um, the, the top, you've got it upside down. The bun. That's the top. That's what you've got at the bottom was at the top. What are you talking about?

Mason: You've gone from— you haven't got the top of the bun.

Tommy: Mate, this is not a Hungry Jack's commercial.

Josh: But I've never seen anyone eat the burger like this in my life.

Tommy: Hang on, what do you mean?

Josh: You're— pick it up properly, please.

Tommy: This is how I eat every single burger I ever have eaten.

Josh: Why would you put the— in all seriousness, why would you put the bottom at the top like that?

Tommy: Okay, so the way I've picked it up if you're listening, you should watch this on YouTube. The top of the bun, so it's just like it is, comes as it is. I grab it and as I turn, the top of the bun becomes underneath. So let me just do one more bite. Mmm.

Josh: Have you ever done that before, 97?

Tommy: So hang on, can you do your bite?

Josh: Yeah, sure. Here we go.

Mason: All right.

Tommy: Wow.

Josh: All right. You're pointing to my— sorry, I think you're gonna— okay, here we go. So I mean, the problem with burgers is once I pick them up, I can't really put them down just based on grip. But here we go.

Tommy: What do you mean? Okay, so isn't that what I did?

Josh: No.

Tommy: What did I do? I flip it upside down. That is interesting. Yeah, you do this. It doesn't look like that. It doesn't feel like it looks. Isn't that funny? I reckon that's how I've eaten every single burger in my life.

Josh: Wrong.

Tommy: But it gets the job done. Let me have another bite. Thanks.

Josh: This is—

Tommy: if you have ever wondered if Josh and my business arrangement works, look at this.

Josh: I'm just holding his mic. So 97 and I went on a date yesterday.

Tommy: It is upside down. Now that I know, you know, when you don't know, you don't know, but now I know and I can't unknow.

Josh: Anyway, I, um, went on a date with Mr. 97 last night. We went to the boxing, went and saw PJ and Taylor Harris. Did you watch the live stream?

Tommy: I did. I watched the first round, half the second, Bodhi interrupted, then I watched the last bit of the last round.

Josh: Did you, um, did you see 97 and I?

Tommy: No, I couldn't. I was looking, couldn't see you.

Josh: So we were at the front. Yeah. So when we, uh, when we arrived, we sort of walked around.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Do you know where you're allowed to stand at a boxing match?

Tommy: Well, Mr. 97 said—

Josh: my chips—

Tommy: that's right, Mr. 97 said you were standing, and that depends. Like, usually the boxing matches I've been to, these are all amateur, the— because at the professional ones there's no standing near the ring. We were there's standing room at the very back. So I've stood behind a whole row of chairs and then stood there because that's the standing room, general admission.

Josh: So the arrangement that they had, they had free beer and a few— I had a Coke no sugar, a couple of bottles of water. I did controversially ask— controversially?

Mason: Controversially, yeah.

Josh: Asked for iced latte.

Tommy: What time was this? 7:30?

Mason: Was it 7:30?

Josh: Yeah, yeah, 7:30. I hadn't had a coffee yet, okay, during the day, so I thought it was, um, okay for me to do it. And they had lights on the actual, um, machine, so I thought it might have been in service, but no. Anyway, so I had, um, so that was fine. Uh, amazing event, a lot of lights, and it was all, all great. 97andi stood, uh, as close as we could to the ring without sort of being on it. Yeah, you know, I mean, we were practically leaning on it.

Mason: Yeah, a little bit.

Josh: Well, fairly close anyway. Uh, this guy behind us who was on a stool, uh, came up to, uh, 97, and I'd seen him before, and he sort of brushed past me or whatever, this guy, and you sort of had done sort of a funny face. I was like, oh, that guy seems a bit sort of grumpy.

Unknown: Yeah.

Josh: And he said to 97 'Uh, do you guys plan on staying here?' And 97 said, 'Oh yeah, until we get told off.' And then, uh, no, I panicked.

Mason: I didn't know what to say.

Josh: So I thought it was great because I didn't realise what was happening. And then I realised that the guy behind us was on a stool and we were sort of blocking his view.

Tommy: So when you say stool, you mean it's— he's using a stool as a seat or he was standing on it?

Josh: No, no, he was— it was—

Tommy: no, a stool for me is like in the, you know, a stool inside of the, um Oh, that's good. Step. So you're saying like a bar stool?

Josh: A bar stool.

Unknown: Okay.

Josh: So you know how like there would have been, if you go to a comedy night or something, you might have some like in the back, some stools with some seats and that. Oh, sorry, with the table.

Tommy: Table to get a few lemon squashes.

Josh: Yeah, exactly. And so he said that and then I was like, oh, you know what, I think, um, I think he was passively trying to tell us to move.

Mason: Definitely.

Tommy: Of course he is. Yeah. I mean, why would you open with, are you guys planning to be there, stay there all night?

Josh: And so what would you do in that scenario?

Tommy: I mean, I would probably— it's amazing how quickly you can react to someone's passiveness with passive aggression as well. It's amazing. It's like a— It's a skill.

Unknown: It's a skill.

Josh: It's my superpower.

Tommy: You're so rattled, and even in the rattledness, you're just like, I don't know, are you?

Josh: Well, also—

Tommy: Austin 97, that was a fucking— I told you you've got funnier being around.

Josh: Yeah, it was so good. And part of it, like I was saying, it's not Andre. I was saying in '97, I'm like, look, if this is his one night of the year that he's meant to be the VIP, maybe we should move, right? But I didn't like the passive nature. I just wanted friendly communication. And so we just stood there.

Unknown: Yeah.

Josh: And we kept talking. We stood there for 15 minutes and then the fight wasn't on. No, not yet.

Tommy: Okay.

Josh: And so then 5 minutes before the fight comes on, he stands up and he's grumpy. We haven't moved, we've stayed in the same spot. He's been thinking about this for 15 minutes. He goes, when the fight's about to start, I'm going to ask you to move.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: I said, what do you think I should have said?

Tommy: Um, this is what you should say and this is what I probably think you did. I would be annoyed because I would play into it. It's like he could have opened, hey guys, I'm sitting back here, just wondering, like even if you just preface with, hey guys, we're sitting back here and we're just wondering, are you guys there for the show because our line of sight, you know, you get that.

Josh: What did— I feel like I always have a warped perception of what happened and I always filter things as me being a little top dog.

Tommy: Josh Grant roundhoused his legs out.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, there's an altercation.

Mason: Yeah, security.

Josh: How would you describe what did I— so I don't filter myself, myself, myself to sound better than what I am because I am a wordsmith and I am, uh, I like to throw people down.

Mason: Yeah, yeah. Well, no, I think you did a good job at handling it. Like, at first you were getting a little bit grumpy. Like, it felt like you entered the conversation a little bit grumpy, but then you started to calm down a little bit.

Josh: So I sort of come from a more empathetic— so I said, I was like, um, oh, well, you, uh, oh yeah, okay, you don't have to be angry about it. That's what I said. Yeah, I said that.

Mason: You said that?

Tommy: Yeah. I mean, all I'm grateful for is that this wasn't a legit boxing match. So when you go to like these like kickboxing events, there's a bunch of tough looking bikie dudes.

Josh: Which radio audiences, not too dissimilar. There is a bit of crossover.

Tommy: This event was the radio event. So these people got free tickets. And so you said?

Josh: Well, so he was being a bit of a top dog. And so in reflection, I'm thinking in real time, I'm like, maybe this, maybe he's related to PJ and we love PJ.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And wouldn't it be a shame if JJ roundhouse kicked PJ's cousin? Is that what you say? Roundhouse kick?

Tommy: Crescent kick? Yeah, that's better than a roundhouse kick. It's cool.

Josh: But I wanted to— so I didn't want to necessarily meet him with aggression.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah.

Josh: So I started off by saying, we don't have to be angry. And then classic thing, I'm not angry.

Tommy: Oh, it seems like you are, fuckhead. Anyway.

Josh: So that happened. And so then I said, I was like, oh, we don't go to boxing matches much, like most people in the room, I don't think. Like, other than the guy with the bow tie, that's the umpire of the contest.

Tommy: So you said we don't go, inferring that, oh, because you're telling us off, you must know a lot.

Josh: Yeah, you must know. So I'm like, where can you, like, what's the deal with standing? Where can you stand? And he said, oh, well, if you have a look what these people did and he sort of pointed and there's next to him there's a bunch of people sort of congregating.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah.

Josh: Just maybe a couple of metres off the ring, which I would say they're passive players, right? They're not into— they're obviously not into the fight as much as 97 and I. We want really good sort of viewing angles and all that sort of thing. We don't care that much. Part of me in that moment was like, you know what, it's part of you that just says, hey, I'm going to go as far back as possible so I can't I'm just going to sort of stand there.

Tommy: But hang on, were other people standing there too? Or was it just you two?

Josh: No, it was literally 97 and I in front of this guy.

Tommy: Oh, I would have crescent kicked you guys out of there.

Josh: But we did, but it wasn't that clear, was it?

Mason: It's not like they had barriers up or say stand a metre away from the—

Tommy: If you ever do go to a boxing match again, you don't stand next to the ring. That's just a given.

Josh: Also, but you sort of had to in this scenario. So anyway, then I said, 'Oh, so what's the deal?' He said— and then I said, 'Yeah, like, are we allowed to sort of stand?' He goes, 'Oh, they just came around before and said—' This is when he calmed down. Do you think he calmed down?

Mason: He did calm down, yeah, yeah.

Tommy: Because I actually had a kick to the head. Yeah, yeah.

Josh: And because I looked like a boss. Just woken up. Yeah, yeah. And so basically he said that people were told not to lean on the actual ring, which we weren't doing. But we decided, you know what, we're gonna walk across. And then we spent the last 5 minutes making ourselves feel better by just having a bit of internal banter between the two of us. Like, who believed that guy? What's his deal? And then just as the fight started, we get a tap on our shoulder from this little guy that's behind us. Oh no. Couple? Couple, yeah, yeah. Couple of little people? There was a little guy, it was this shorter guy. And he said, ah, 'My girlfriend and I can't see. Do you mind if you move?' And it was like a great, great moment. He had like a really nice little leather jacket on. And I said, 'Yeah, sure. Like, no worries at all.' Little guy. And so like him and his girlfriend went in front and we just went behind. Yeah. It was such a nice moment. Yeah. Okay.

Tommy: So you just did the swapsie because you could see straight up.

Unknown: Yeah.

Josh: That's nice. Yeah. And so that felt like a good interaction. So I was like, 'No, it's not just me. I'm not an asshole.' If I'm asked politely or even just a community, it's not even asked nicely. Nicely. It's just, can you just commit rather than this passive, are you guys going to be there? But I feel like 97 and I were talking about how much more confidence I have since hanging out with you.

Tommy: To be honest, I saw the live stream of— and the opening package. I don't know if you guys could see it there. There was this amazing montage. We heard it. So it was visually awesome. Like I was thinking, God, if If I was still working at KISS, I wouldn't have been able to create that. I don't know who did that. They would have got it done somewhere else. You were, you, let me get to the point.

Josh: I was going to say you're part of the digital content team. Talked our way in there. Yeah, you didn't need any video skills.

Tommy: Exactly, didn't even know how to use.

Josh: Now they had EasyRigs.

Tommy: I taught myself Adobe Photoshop when I was there.

Josh: I'd never used it before. And you killed a laptop.

Tommy: Killed a laptop. Good strike rate. So What was I saying? I said this package opener, and I saw the crowd, and I just— my instant reaction was, I hope Josh is okay. Because of the social setting, the amount of people, so many people, like in a crowded little space. There was alcohol, there's everything you don't really like.

Josh: Yeah, I don't mind.

Tommy: No, but in a social setting, I know you like drinking Red Bull and searching YouTube.

Josh: So Jase is, uh, one of our favourite people and he's always so nice and he loves beer. And so he's always like, every conversation he's always like, "Man, get into the beers, like go over and have a beer." Just have a beer. And so I nearly, I don't drink beer, Jase, if you're watching, this is a really easy way for me. I don't drink beer, but I do have a red wine. Also, red wine.

Tommy: Jordan Michaelides, we don't drink either. Yeah. Oh yeah.

Josh: So stop asking me to go out for drinks. I'll go for a coffee. No, but like Aperol Spritz. I'll do an Aperol Spritz.

Tommy: If you're in Italy, we had a nice one on the top of the Standard in New York City. Yeah. So when you're in a nice place, have a nice drink.

Josh: But yeah, which is why I think I went the iced latte. It felt like a bit, which I couldn't drink. It was a Thursday night. Yeah. But no, the, the whole social interaction was interesting. There was a lot of, um, I knew that it was pretty bad from a social setting when 97 and I, like, we found something, it was like, ah, I can't remember what it was, but the default is like, yeah, you should Google that. I'm just like on my phone just searching stuff. I was like, yeah.

Tommy: It is a go-to, just an observation of you in conversation. And you and Bri, you pull out your phones and start taking notes and looking at Instagram accounts. It's a weird crutch, but I kind of appreciate it.

Josh: But the other time that I was extra confident was in our Uber. Oh yeah? Can you explain what happened? This is outrageous.

Mason: We, you know, the little pass-through next to our office to get onto Hoddle Street? Yep, yep.

Tommy: So it's like a cut-through so you don't have to get stuck in this annoying traffic down an alleyway.

Josh: You can turn left onto, um, to Hoddle.

Tommy: Yeah, go through a car park, it's all good.

Mason: And we, we needed to turn right at the intersection with Victoria Street. Yep. And so he had to get all the way across to the far lane and it was jam-packed. This was like peak hour. Yeah, absolute peak hour traffic.

Josh: And so the Uber driver said, "Oh, I can't do that. I'm gonna have to go left." I'm like, "No, no, no, we can do it. We'll do it together." So we went over 4 lanes, mate, and it was so good. 97% were all waving. We're all like, "Stop, stop, stop, stop." We got all the way through. I said to the guy, I'm like, "5 stars for that." He goes, "I need 6." That's how much I'd rattled him. And that's called peer pressure. Yeah, but it felt good. And then—

Mason: I mean, it was a little bit of peer pressure.

Josh: But what about this? This is how Tommy Jackitoff gotten. So then he's in the middle of the intersection about to turn. It's one of those ones where he's got a green light and he has to give way with the arrow. So he's been— he's parked for ages, like, before he's gotten to the intersection. When he gets into the intersection, I remember I need to charge my phone and I ask in that moment for an iPhone cable. It's just like, how much more arrogant could one person get in an Uber?

Tommy: But the thing about what people think, and this is just what I think, but when you see someone who's confident, you could easily think that they're projecting or they're not being considerate or taking in the moment. So there's a lack of awareness when somebody is telling someone, you know, like that situation, right? My thoughts about what I do and like the filming of people and just chucking, you know, getting people on, It's like you're constantly vibing, right? You're constantly trying to gauge at a real quick level. And so there are times when I'll pull back because I'm gauging it's not working.

Josh: When's each time that you've pulled back?

Tommy: Not a lot, because I think also at the start, you vibe the start of it, right? What could I have done?

Josh: So say if we were to deconstruct what happened with the guy at the fight, Could there have been something that I could have done that would have even made it funnier? Could I have maybe shook his hand? Would that have been a good play?

Mason: Like, hey, thanks so much, mate.

Josh: Or, yeah, I'm so sorry, shake the hand. Yeah, what could I do?

Tommy: Oh, um, maybe you could, you could have jumped straight to that he's one fighting. I don't know, you're like, oh mate, you're in the ring. Maybe, yeah, maybe we can sort this out in the ring. Then it's That plays into the passive. Nah, you totally went passive. I don't know, there would have literally been the only other scenario is, sure thing. So this is the thing, I definitely didn't do that.

Josh: It didn't feel like that, wasn't that?

Tommy: No, but it's like being the big, being the bigger person, being the bigger person.

Josh: Is that, is the bigger person different to the top dog?

Tommy: Well, I think you can hold a bit of power in the fact that if someone is reacting to you and you have this awareness to not engage not be triggered and to then go—

Josh: Could you laugh at it though? Is there something of like, if I said, "No, but do you know taekwondo?" Like if I just said that. Yeah, that would be funny. Because then the guy's like, "Hang on, is he saying he's gonna fight me?" No, I didn't say that.

Tommy: Two things could happen.

Josh: If you hit me, I will call the cops.

Tommy: Two things could happen. You could get your head kicked in.

Josh: Yeah, but he'd get in a lot of trouble. And to be honest, this t-shirt, like what made me feel confident was there was literally t-shirts that people were wearing that said no cowards, but saying no to cowards punch.

Tommy: Mate, so hang on, hang on, hang on. I'm just watching that power cord. We can't have that power cord. Careful there, Campbell. The whole event was about bullying.

Josh: Anti— yeah, online bullying, online cyberbullying.

Tommy: Okay, in-person bullying. I mean, it was a boxing match, but they were thumping each other. But no, I think it wasn't too bad what you did, but you could have just been like, yeah, sure, mate.

Josh: Yeah, and also the other thing too is I have— we've spoken about it before— I've only been in one fight as an adult in my entire life.

Tommy: And no, it wasn't that fight where you got someone else to step in for you? Was it? That's not a fight.

Josh: Well, it was at a 21st birthday, and a guy said to me— hang on, that's not a fight though. Yeah, it was. I was hit. Oh, you— okay, you were hit.

Tommy: Yeah, there was one side of a fight happening, you got hit, and then someone else you called Your mate over?

Josh: No, so what happened was I was sitting down, this guy was being a fuckwit, and then I, um, we've got a lot of, uh, a lot of traffic going.

Tommy: Oh yeah, it's all happening, it's all happening. We are at an active cafe, by the way.

Josh: And, uh, no, the, um, a guy was asking me what I was looking at, and in that moment I said, you.

Tommy: Were you looking at him? Yeah. With any malice? Like, was there like a— Was this observing? I was just like, this guy's a bit of a fuckwit. Okay, so there was thoughts. Yeah.

Josh: 'Cause that projects, that gives the same response. He said, why? And I said, 'Cause you're being a bit of a fuckwit. And so then I wasn't drinking. Yeah. And then he started pushing me and I'm just, I'm seated. I've got no idea what's going on. I haven't even, it's Friday night. I haven't engaged my core. I'm literally just sort of like on a plastic chair. Just getting pushed. Yeah. And then I had a friend that is a kickboxer, and so I said, Daniel, Daniel! And then they sort of fly kick came out of nowhere. It's just all like, hey, it's one of those things where it was like 21, only 3 years out of school, you still had a group of friends that like a real mix. Yeah. And so I had all, you know, the kickboxing friend and the, you know —convenient.

Tommy: I was thinking about literally 2 days ago about Bodhi and growing up. Like, I got in a bunch of fights growing up, and I was thinking about, did I think about the dangers? Did I think about if I punch someone, they could fall and die? Like, no, I didn't. And it wasn't noisy like it is now with people talking about this coward's punch. Is— it used to be King Hit, now it's Coward's Punch. Like, these things help the discussion, things like the online bullying stuff. But I was like, I think— I hope that a piece of the job has been done by the noise that's happening where Bodhi just understands, you know. Like, he comes into the world where it's, you know, um, same-sex marriage is a thing, where we didn't even hear that conversation when we were young. And then it becomes noisy, and then it changes. And so hopefully With the noise of what's happening, it changes culturally. But then the piece of work by me is, hey, I've been through all of that. We didn't think about it in our time. It was the stupidest shit we could have ever done. And if you ever have a moment where that is happening, just think about Dad and fucking the realities. Like, I've got a mate who got in a fight at a pub and did a year and a half in jail, 18 months in jail. It's crazy. And that was literally like no one died, but that was a fight. And look what happens. The consequences are severe and they're so brutal these days. So I wasn't going to punch the guy. No, of course you're a pussy, but no, but it was— you don't want to. This is the thing, don't do it.

Josh: But the thing is that I think I literally had watched a jail documentary and yeah, it's that whole thing.

Tommy: Six, bitch.

Josh: No, but what does that mean? I don't know, remember yesterday?

Tommy: We went through the— Check your six.

Josh: Ah, behind you. This guy. Uh, and, um, no, but the, um, uh, that they talk about, if, if you act weak, you are a target. And so there was a little bit where it's like, I'm with Mr. 97, the weakest guy in the room. I need to be the top dog. I need to protect us. I need to growl back. If we don't growl back, we're just going to get pushed around. Maybe.

Tommy: Yeah, you can, you can.

Josh: I would have liked to see you in the scenario. What do you reckon Tommy would have done?

Tommy: I don't know, I would have been, ah, like, I don't think I would have stood there. You would have called him bro. I'd be like, oh yeah, it's all good, bro.

Josh: Yeah, all right, bro, all good, bro. Yeah, but I think that the thing is that if you hadn't worked out, because the thing is we stood there not thinking about, oh, the guy's behind us.

Tommy: Two doofuses that have never been to a boxing match before.

Josh: We're literally trying to work out, can we stand here?

Tommy: And yeah, but I'm pretty sure he gave you your answer in a passive-aggressive way.

Mason: We could have stood there. Yeah, we could. Yeah, definitely could have stayed there.

Tommy: Yeah, anyway, anyway, anyway, it's a lesson for us all.

Josh: That's why I don't go out though. Like, that's really, if you think about it, evenings and stuff. 97 and I walked home, uh, and it took what, an hour?

Tommy: Did a whole hour walk. Mr. 97 got on a bus.

Josh: Yeah, so was it— did you end up going and seeing your brother at the— nah, I just took the bus home anyway.

Tommy: Was your brother doing bouldering?

Mason: Yeah, another hour though. I had to wait another hour.

Josh: Have you ever done bouldering?

Tommy: Uh, yeah, once. Mr. 97, I will give you lifts home because I did pick up the keys yesterday to my new suburban rental.

Josh: Now, we talked about the chocolates and the warm welcome.

Tommy: Oh, well, yesterday, yeah, I said I got a hamper. The hamper did not smooth over the fact that they didn't put the protective screen, so like the security door of the front the house, they didn't put the key onto the key ring, so we couldn't get into— I had to jump the fence. It was—

Josh: this happened with me too. What couldn't I get into?

Tommy: Dude, dude, I, I gave them the benefit of the doubt. I did. I fucking gave it to them. And the hamper got me halfway to being nice to property managers.

Josh: But could you go through the back door or something, or no? Yeah, but here's how they do it.

Tommy: Hand over a whole set of keys and you guys work it out. And there's a whole bunch of keys that don't work. Anyway, it's another gripe. I don't want to get too negative on it, but it is a common occurrence. My dad does— who we've had on the show— he property manages, does maintenance. Yeah, so he comes in to fix people's problems. And he said, he said, this is so common. We went to an open for inspection and there was 20 people at this property, and the poor bastard property manager who it wasn't his property that he was opening, fidgeting, walking around the back, fidgeting. Sorry guys, I've been given the wrong set of keys. That literally happened.

Josh: That happened as well. There was 100 people at the one that I was at where that happened. What about your old apartment? Yeah. Is currently, you know, having inspections and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tommy: They've booked in a bunch when they haven't told us. And so they rock up, they don't have a key because they open this box. So we get this message. 'Were you aware of the inspection? We couldn't get in today.' So there would have been people there. It's just, I don't know, I wonder how this industry, I wonder because it is such a pain point, I wonder what will happen with that space because it's— people don't want to do it obviously.

Josh: Act like robots and be replaced.

Tommy: Good point, good point. I mean, the thing that's come out of this for me today is that I've been eating burgers wrong my whole entire life. This is fucking phenomenal. This is weird.

Josh: Yeah. Anyway, we'll put it up as a snippet so you can see it as well.

Tommy: Lawrence, thank you so much for having us at AU79.

Josh: Yeah, just from a couple of your mates.

Tommy: Just, you know, your good buddies, your old friends.

Josh: I would like— I have a feeling that Lawrence doesn't remember my name, and that might be part of the contentious issue.

Tommy: Can we— when we see him after this, can we have a way of him remembering my name?

Josh: How could you remember it? Posh Josh.

Tommy: Oh, this is— I had to remember.

Josh: Posh Josh. Lawrence, my name is Posh Josh. It's a good way of it, like it's a mnemonic.

Tommy: I know, but you're not posh.

Josh: Yeah, no, but it's just a good way of like— Wee Josh. Anyway, uh, hi@thedailytalkshow.com is the email address. Also appreciate when you do an Apple Podcast review. Yeah, it's, um, I don't know, on a scale of ease Yeah, I don't think it's like super easy because some people do the step, the 5 stars without actually leaving a review. What you should do is go click write a review. Yeah, under the Daily Talk Show, say something nice, and then we read about it on the show, and then everyone says, oh wow, people like those guys, maybe I will too.

Tommy: Uh, so that's it. I'm hungry. I want to eat this. Let's, uh, let's eat the burgers.

Josh: Uh, thank you, AU79. Also very good coffee that they do here as well.

Mason: And their bread.

Josh: Oh, you like their bread?

Tommy: Yeah, the bread. The only time he's had the bread is when it was free. No, you've brought some into your office. Yeah, exactly, free.

Josh: But you paid. Yeah, the guy hasn't spent a cent here actually. No, I haven't. Does Lawrence know your name? Nope. He shouldn't.

Tommy: He shouldn't because you're a little scumbag.

Josh: I agree. Anyway, today's talk show. Have a great rest of your Friday and we'll see you tomorrow for Weekend Banter.

Tommy: See you guys.