Lost Keys In A DiDi

Josh: The Daily Talk Show, it's The Daily Talk Show episode 437.

Tommy: What's happening guys, what's going on?

Josh: It's, uh, it's Tuesday.

Tommy: Yeah, it is, and the hoodies have arrived.

Josh: Yes, uh, I'm very excited by that.

Tommy: Well, we got 4 boxes, 4 or 5 boxes, Mr. 97?

Mason: 5.

Tommy: 5 boxes filled to the brim, The Daily Talk Show hoodies. These are being mailed out very soon, so if you've got in and got the first round, actually the first and only round of these hoodies. So it's a, I mean, we called it a one and only, a limited run, limited run of this particular style.

Josh: So, so if you didn't get them, sucked on, sucked on, sucked on, get around it.

Tommy: If you're gonna troll someone, you've got to really get them with the old sucked on. Yeah, I sucked on.

Josh: I tried DD this morning.

Tommy: Oh yeah, it's hola, it's the similar one. It's like DD. You're talking about a cab service?

Josh: A ridesharing?

Tommy: Ridesharing.

Josh: Yeah. And so it's similar. Like the guy also does Uber.

Tommy: Oh, they've got them all, don't they?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: It's like that guy in New York City.

Josh: He's got like 4 phones. Looks like fucking NASA.

Tommy: I mean, in your little cockpit. Yeah.

Josh: I actually like that idea. I like having lots of phone, like a lot of phones, things going on.

Tommy: Very disengaged core. Yeah.

Josh: It's just really relaxing.

Tommy: That disengaged life.

Josh: Yeah. But when I sat in the DD, Yeah, it doesn't have the same ring. Like, if I tell someone, hey, I'm going to be there just in the DD, it's confusing. Yeah, don't you think?

Tommy: Yeah, very confusing.

Josh: And so it happened multiple times. Like, um, on the, on the way back, I caught DD and needed to piss so bad that I was like sweating profusely. And I actually had to— I got into a meditative state.

Tommy: I had to meditate because I was like, oh, the only time he meditates is when he needs to piss real bad. No, but I was gonna start something.

Josh: It was the only other time he engages his core.

Tommy: Mum used to tell me to do like Kegel exercise, like squeeze my bum hole.

Josh: Nah, it's too late trying to work out how to squeeze when you're— when you need to. So what I did was I, um, like at first I was literally driving along a park and it was getting to a point where I was like gonna get him to pull over so I could piss on a tree, but it was in the CBD, it's illegal, so you can't do it. But anyway, uh, going on, uh, when I first got into the DD I sit down, I was like, there was keys and I was like, oh, I nearly locked because I'm wearing my hoodie. I wear the, put the keys in the hoodie pouch. I was like, fuck, that could have been close, could have lost them. Picked them up, not my keys.

Tommy: Someone else's keys.

Josh: Someone else's keys on the back of the DD.

Tommy: Oh, that's so annoying. You hope you did the right thing. What'd you say?

Josh: Well, so I looked at the keys and it had a Good Health or like one of the fitness places, Good Fitness, whatever it is.

Tommy: Great idea.

Josh: Camberwell. So I called them and I said, hey, one of your members have left their keys in an Uber, because I couldn't be fucked dealing with explaining what Dee Dee is.

Tommy: And so I just said, they're like, whoa, whoa, forget the keys, what is Dee Dee? Who is she? Is that the member's name?

Josh: It's a little bit confusing. And so I did, um, I, uh, I said, can you contact the member, let them know, give them my number and they can call me?.

Tommy: And have they called?

Josh: And so, the trip was like a 30-minute trip to the city. It took ages this morning. Really?

Tommy: And— I mean, I thought you were walking. You're in shorts and they're very short.

Josh: Well, I was planning on doing a walk, but my friend cancelled. Okay. But the— So, I gave it like halfway through the trip and then I called the gym again because I hadn't heard anything. And the gym person said, it's like, oh, I spoke to him. He was really grateful. I'm surprised he hasn't called back.. And I was like, okay, well, I was just calling because, you know, I'm going to be out of the car soon. And so, I was thinking in my head, I was like, okay, well, I could take the keys, get them to pick it up from the office. And I was like, you know what, if they don't call back, I think that I'm better off just leaving them in the car and then it just become— and tell the driver and say, hey, here are the keys, can you sort it out?

Tommy: So, You made it your problem and then you're then handballing back over to the driver.

Josh: It was a problem whilst I was in the vehicle.

Tommy: But you've engaged the problem. I mean, I appreciate, I think it's a commendable thing to do.

Josh: Well, it's the equivalent. What you're saying is that you call triple zero and you're expecting me to then also resuscitate the person when the paramedics are there.

Tommy: Oh no, not at all. I think you've— I think it'd be a gronk move to leave the keys in the car and not mention them?

Josh: Oh no. So yeah, I mentioned that. I told the guy, but then he was so slow. Like, it was one of those cases where we were— I was catching up with Uncle Trev. He's come to Melbourne.

Tommy: Your first time meeting Trev.

Josh: Yeah, he was—

Tommy: I mean, he was with the solicitors, wasn't he? For the repayment. We're going on a payment plan for Dill's minibar.

Josh: Yeah, we— the debt collectors are after him.

Tommy: I saw you shouted him breakfast.

Josh: Well done.

Tommy: Thank you.

Josh: Yeah, bacon and egg.

Tommy: Did he try and push back on that?

Josh: Yeah, he did.

Tommy: He's such an Aussie bloke.

Josh: He's like, ah, he's had He's Samsung Note 10 or whatever he's rocking, the new one. Yeah, he's got it ready to go.

Tommy: Mate, just let Josh get the bacon and egg McMuffins.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: They were paninis.

Josh: But I, yeah, he was, the driver was so slow and just like that annoying thing where they're indicating, like someone would indicate in front and then they wouldn't go around all that sort of thing. So, the guy wasn't that, the driver wasn't that competent in driving. So, I did wonder about his competency of getting these keys to the person.

Tommy: So, we'll never know.

Josh: Well, I got a voicemail.

Tommy: Did you?

Josh: From the guy whose keys it was.

Tommy: What was his name? Brett?

Josh: Dunno. He didn't say his name.

Tommy: He didn't say his name?

Josh: No. But I didn't answer because I wanted it just to go voicemail because not my problem anymore.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And he just said, hi, you know, I heard you got the keys. Thanks so much. Give me a call back. And this was like, I mean, the thing is that he's called me at 11:30, 11:36 AM. The whole key thing. I contacted the gym at 8:30. And so he's given it like, if you find out someone's got your keys, I think you should have pocketed them.

Tommy: I think you should have just had them.

Josh: No, because then it does become my problem.

Tommy: No, but it became your problem.

Josh: There's a loss of—

Josh: No, no, no. So what should I have done?

Tommy: I have them on you and you can pick them up from the studio.

Josh: I can guarantee it would have annoyed the fuck out of you because what would have happened?

Tommy: I don't really care.

Josh: Because I would have said, guys, we can't do the show until John picks up his keys.

Tommy: That's alright, John could have got them midway through. But I think, nah, see, I wonder if you'll get them back now.

Josh: Well, I texted him.

Tommy: Yeah. And what did he say? Because does he have a number? Did you give a number of the doodoo? The doodoo drive?

Josh: I don't have that. Doodoo.

Tommy: Oh, no.

Mason: But how is he going to find the diddy drive?

Tommy: Yeah, exactly.

Josh: Well, he knows now. Because if you think about it, if I didn't contact him, he could have been like, where are my keys? They could be anywhere in the world. So now he knows that they were in the car. So now it's his responsibility to work out how to get to that car.

Tommy: Someone was telling me a storey about leaving a phone in an Uber. And then they got onto the Uber driver, and then he was just being really shit getting back to them. And so he did the Find My iPhone thing, went out to the western suburbs, found the fucking car, knocking on the door. The dude's like, oh, and, you know, got him. But the pain in the ass that it was for him. So maybe it's gonna be a real pain in the dick.

Josh: So I said, hey there, I left your keys with the driver as I hadn't heard anything after I called the Jim, hope you get them okay. Yeah, there is a lost and found button within the app, I believe.

Tommy: Did you do the research or you just looked?

Josh: I just saw, yeah, I did see like a lost and found.

Tommy: I just hope he gets them back.

Josh: Yeah, I think it's—

Tommy: I mean, if that were my keys, I'd be straight, mate, can you give me the guy who's calling the phone number?

Josh: Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: And that's how I need my house key. Yeah, far out.

Josh: Well, I actually saw a, um, there's a radio personality in the US named Bobby Bones. He's sort of like the country version of Ryan Seacrest. And he did an Insta storey the other day where he found someone's driver's licence. And he did an Insta storey where he just took a photo and said, hey, does anyone know this person? I want to give her back her licence.

Tommy: Well, he's a celeb, so I guess it would be easier to. But I mean, was the number on there?

Josh: Well, this is the weird thing. He kept her date of birth.

Tommy: That's okay.

Josh: Do you think?

Tommy: That's okay. It's a driver's licence number.

Josh: Yeah, that was gone.

Tommy: Maybe he's trying to do it like a minute.

Josh: It's all for content.

Tommy: It's definitely awful content. I tell you something, one night, um, I mean, when you're drunk and going to nightclubs and getting Ubers around or dudus these days, DDs these days, you definitely will lose shit. And so one night, uh, me and this girl Rachel were um, going to the city in a cab to pick up her phone that she had left with her friend. So we— it was like a 20-minute cab.

Josh: Why were you going with Rachel?

Tommy: Because we were heading back to her place. We're hanging out.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: And so anyway, this is fucking 8 years ago or something. Anyway, driving along, pick up the phone. What do you mean, why was I with Rachel?

Josh: No, well, I don't think you even have to use names.

Tommy: With Rachel.

Josh: Is she your girlfriend or no?

Tommy: Dropped off. We got to this club, she goes up, gets the phone back, and we're like, great, got the phone. Go home next morning, where the fuck's my phone? She left it in the cab that we had got to go and pick up her phone. So the next morning, the next morning we are calling it and this guy answers like, hello. He's like Irish accent, can't do it.

Josh: No, it's Irish. Hello?

Tommy: Hello?

Josh: It just definitely wasn't.

Tommy: Yes, this is, this is Scott. How you going? Anyway, I can't do it. Anyway, we organised to go and pick the phone up from his place, wasn't too far away, so we drove there and he was the nicest guy. He's like, yeah, I was in the, I was in the cab last night and I, and I saw the phone, I thought I'll just take it and in the morning I'll call and make the, you know, connect the dots and get it back to the owner. That was a commendable guy. Yeah, I mean, you were halfway there. You were halfway to being a real commendable guy.

Josh: Well, I just feel that the, um, I would in a previous life— I've, I've been described as having levels of codependency. I mean, I didn't want to, I didn't want to fall into the trap of somehow being codependent with someone's keys that I just found. So I was sort of like, you know what, I've done my bit because there's part of me which is like, you know what, I'm going to drop them off to— where is he living or working? I'll drop them off, make sure he gets them.

Tommy: Okay.

Josh: And then I was like, you know what?

Josh: No.

Tommy: I mean, what goes around comes around. Hopefully he gets them. Hopefully this is— I think we should try and close the loop tomorrow.

Josh: I'll text him.

Tommy: Text him and go, hey bro, did you get your keys? I think we'll just give you a bit of an update, Asmy.

Josh: Because just imagine, just imagine if, for instance, it was, you know, I don't know, in the opposite side of town. And how annoying, how annoying would it be if someone had your keys and they just kept moving around? Like, that's how I felt. I was like, oh, well, I'm going to go from work to home.

Tommy: Oh, no, but the good thing about having a business is we've got business hours. Essentially, we're in here all the time.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Okay.

Josh: That's fine.

Josh: Have you found anything before 90Sevs? Anything on the ground?

Tommy: That you've returned?

Mason: That I've returned?

Tommy: Nothing. Nothing.

Mason: No, actually, I think— No, actually, I can't think of anything that I've actually found.

Tommy: You were on the receiving end of a good Samaritan when you gave your GoPro that you actually wanted to keep to the guy that bought all the old shitty ones. And so he's got this, whatever, 4K GoPro in the mix.

Mason: Yeah, this nice little brand new GoPro.

Josh: So, yeah, you were selling all these old ones and then you just had a GoPro box and forgot to take the one you're actually keeping.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: So did he have to then spend the money and post it back.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And you didn't reimburse him?

Josh: No. You see, this is what I mean.

Tommy: So, well, the thing is, right, but good bloke. Like, I mean, you look at this guy, shit bloke. So right now you could say, I don't know what bloke.

Josh: I think it was really good. I think I could have ignored the situation completely. I could have pretended that the keys weren't there.

Tommy: Massive krong for it. Um, I mean, yeah, I appreciate because you could have also just grabbed them, gone, mate, pair of keys back here, whatever. But it was like you started something.

Josh: The other thing too, the reason why I gave them to the driver was because when I— After all of that happened and I was on the phone to the gym, the driver's phone kept calling, like ringing, and he kept declining it. And I wouldn't be surprised if it was the person.

Tommy: Oh, because you can call—

Josh: Like, I'm guessing it was probably like a lost and found option.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And he kept apologising to me being like, oh, sorry, my phone keeps ringing.

Tommy: I mean, I'm suss on all of these Uber drivers. They're having fucking family meetings, DDs, whatever. They're always on the phone.

Josh: On the headphones.

Tommy: It's ridiculous. The key thing. So I worked in an old school gym, actually saying that now, if you don't have your membership and you go to Fitness First, so you just have forgotten your cards, you can say, here's my keys in exchange for a a replacement card just for the time that you're at the gym so you can use lockers and whatever. Anyway, so I hand over my keys, but I'm always apprehensive because I'm like, fucking, these could just be handed out because I've handed the wrong set of keys out before when I worked at Body World, this old school bodybuilding gym. They— we just had a key, like a hanger, and then, you know, you give gronks an inch, they'll take a mile. So everybody bought their keys in to do a workout and they'd just be like, oh, take my keys. Oh, actually, can you take my wallet? And so you end up just we're taking so many things of people and there's a high chance that it fucks up. So I took these keys and hung them up amongst a bunch, and you got good at going, they're Bruce's keys, they're Janet's keys, you know. But this one day I gave a pair of keys to this guy and I didn't know—

Josh: I thought, what did he say?

Tommy: He took them, he went home, and then another member comes up and says, can I have my keys? And I'm just going, oh, I don't know where they are, I'm looking for the tags. And so I fucked it. I'd given the wrong set of keys to the wrong person.

Josh: I mean, this, this happens travelling a lot. Like, I feel like it's always in the places where you feel like there's a potential for getting your identity stolen.

Tommy: I mean, and that's a weird thing in itself, people stealing your identity.

Josh: Yeah, I mean, that's a, that's a whole nother thing. I mean, that's a lot more than keys, but think about like passports. Like, if you go to, um, Doing random shit. I feel like in Turkey when Bri and I were doing the, like our hot air balloon in Cappadocia, they would—

Tommy: That's like right now, isn't it? A year ago.

Josh: A year ago.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Wow.

Josh: But I feel like we were giving passports and stuff like that.

Tommy: Oh, yeah. I mean, you don't want to— It's like the golden ticket, you know, to get out of a country. You don't want to not have a passport in somewhere like Turkey.

Josh: Yeah. Have you even got a passport?

Mason: I got a passport.

Tommy: I actually asked him to get his ESTA. So, he's got his ESTA.

Josh: So, at any moment we could leave for the US if we wanted to. That's good.

Tommy: My friend flew all the way to the US and then got denied.

Josh: Oh no, why? Because they didn't have their—

Tommy: No, no, no, no, because she'd, she'd gone in on an ESTA, but she'd lived there, so then they think that she was coming back to work and try, you know, I get it, they're very strict on border security and people trying to migrate, but you get all the way there and my question was, how did you get back? Like, did they put you on a flight straight away, it's the airline's responsibility.

Josh: Do they, do they charge you?

Mason: Yeah.

Tommy: No, no, no. So the, so the airline—

Josh: this is a little— this is good.

Tommy: Well, you got to pay for the one there, so she's completely wasted 24 hours— no, 20— yeah, 30 hours, 30-plus hours and stress of just rocking up and coming back because the airport— so the airline, there's some deal where it's Buy one, get a return flight. No, but they're the— so it must be in some sort of, what do you call it, uh, fucking aeronautical agreement. I don't know, I don't know who, who are the airports anyway. So it must be aeronautical agreement. Look it up, look, aeronautical agreement. So what I'm trying to say is the airlines have an agreement, I don't know who with, it must be the US.

Josh: What does aeronautical mean, by the way?

Tommy: Aeronautical. Isn't it just about like things in the sky?

Mason: Aeronautical agreements and arrangements.

Josh: Okay.

Josh: No, but we don't actually—

Mason: Australia's Air Service.

Josh: Can you just go on to Google and type in define aeronautical?

Mason: Yeah, sure.

Josh: It's a good word.

Tommy: Aeronautical. I can't believe I even know this. I pull words out my arse and I sometimes get it right. And today might be one of those days.

Mason: Relating to the science or practise of building or flying aircraft.

Tommy: Yeah, it's the wrong context. 100%.

Josh: No.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: But yeah, it's a physics agreement.

Tommy: So, who has— Who's the agreement with? So, is it Australia? So, if you fly United Airlines, is it United Airlines has a deal with their own government that if someone comes in and they get denied, it's their responsibility to send them straight back?

Josh: Well, that's why they check, because normally they do their, their checking before you even get on the flight. Like, they need to you know, look over and make sure you've got your ESTA.

Tommy: But maybe that's the thing, you've actually got your ESTA, but then you get knocked back for another reason.

Josh: Or how about the— yeah, I get what you're saying.

Tommy: It's fucking tough.

Josh: Well, how about this?

Tommy: So annoying.

Josh: '97, you probably never heard this, early, like we were doing the show when I was traveling.

Tommy: Oh no.

Josh: And we actually, on the way to the US, so I was flying from Athens to Turkey and then Turkey to the US.

Tommy: You were lucky even to get to Athens because of the wind and the—

Josh: Oh, yeah. Oh, that was right. So, yeah, we were on Paros on an island and the— Basically, we were going to be interviewing Seth Godin in New York in like 3 days' time. I was in Paros and we'd organised flights out of— Sorry, a boat out of Paros to Athens, and then Athens, we're getting on a flight and going to New York via Istanbul in Turkey. Anyway, when we're in Paros, they cancelled all boats because of weather. And so, the only way out was by plane, and there was only one plane that was leaving on the day that we were leaving. Like, basically, we found out the morning of.. And we got the last 2 tickets on the flight.

Tommy: These planes are so small because the island is tiny.

Josh: So, we did that. So, that was fine. Got to the Athens airport and lined up, showed my ESTA, and then Bree was just like Google, like finding on her phone her ESTA. It turns out that her ESTA had expired, so she didn't have a visa to be able to go into the US.

Mason: I know.

Josh: And so, they wouldn't let us go onto the flight to Istanbul because she didn't have it. And so, we were sitting using— And this is what like what pays off for me needing to be connected all the time, means I had great data.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And so, we connected to the website and, you know, like you go on and You filled out the form. So, we had to fill out an ESTA form and then it says like it's got 48 hours to do it. And so, filled one out and then refresh the page and it said confirmed.

Tommy: So, it says on there 48 hours minimum, usually.

Mason: It says 10 business days or something like that.

Josh: Maybe for you.

Tommy: Yeah, because he went the cheaper option.

Josh: Well, you can. Here's a tip for you. Some people fuck up by going to— they Google ESTA and they go through a third party and end up spending heaps more. You can go directly on the government site.

Tommy: That's where you have to— that's where you should go. But I can't believe that they— because someone said— I actually overheard someone recently saying, oh, you need, you need at least 2 days or something to get your ESTA. They won't let you in. But I reckon that's like such a rare case that you can refresh and have it there.

Josh: That was lucky. I reckon it's probably because Bri was had, had an Esther before.

Tommy: But the thing is, she's mates with Trump as well.

Josh: Yeah, yeah. Just made a call. No, but I think that I just think about if we had fucked up one thing. So if it was just like in that stress of doing it all because we tried to do it on the phone, it shows where just user experience is horrendous trying to do on the phone. So we had taken out my laptop and was doing hotspotting.

Tommy: Government websites on any phone.

Josh: Still haven't checked that MyGov message.

Tommy: Don't cheque MyGov on your phone. It's atrocious. Actually, maybe there's an app. Is there an app?

Josh: No, there isn't. Bree was like, there's an app, you should download it.

Tommy: No, no, it's a web face app.

Josh: No, there's a Medi— I think it's a Medicare app.

Tommy: Okay, so what would have you done hypothetically if— so you could get in, Bree couldn't. What do you do?

Josh: Well, we already talked.

Tommy: I was on the plane, I was in the air. Yeah, I was flying over.

Josh: Well, Bree and I had already talked about it, and she was very much like, look, yeah, this is my fuck-up. And because Bree is the most organised person I know, and so for her, like we were coming off the back of 3.5 months of just leisure. And so I guess that's part of what happened. But she was like, you're going to go on, like, you have to go. And so like we were almost preparing ourselves like, okay, well, yeah, you're going to be okay. We'll organise a flight and make it work. And maybe I probably should have known that the Esther would have been fine. And so I should have gone harder of being the hero and said, no, I'm not going. But I was like, yep.

Tommy: You'll be right.

Josh: You'll have to get a hotel, but I'll make it. You know what I mean?

Tommy: I appreciate it, mate. We had Seth Godin. Yeah, we'll leave our wives and our girlfriends to go see Seth Godin.

Josh: Exactly.

Tommy: And so, you know, there's worse places to be left.

Josh: But it's the equivalent. Yeah, but it's the equivalent of, um, uh, like showing your cards unnecessarily. Like, if you're going to be late to something. Yeah, the other day I was running late. I was like, hmm. 9 times out of 10, this person is like, yeah, I'm not going to say anything and let's just see what happens. And sure enough, I bet them to the location. And so then I didn't look like I was late.

Tommy: We've done it with the podcast. We had something come up where we needed to shift a guest that we wanted to record but just had to do something.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And I held out and boom.

Josh: Yeah. Just a couple of professionals at work.

Tommy: No, I think it's, I think it's pretty human. I think especially if you want to have a nice night home and your friends cancel on you. There's actually nothing better. It feels like you've— you're on like, you know, it feels like a public holiday. It feels like free time on holiday. Yeah, these hours, these don't feel normal, you know.

Josh: Cancel culture. Cancel culture, it's a thing. But he said there was literally a New York Times— if you type in cancel culture New York Times '97, there was an article probably written 2 and a half years ago all about it.

Tommy: I think cancel culture now is a different thing. It's all about the people getting cancelled. Like shows being cancelled, but that wasn't the same.

Josh: I mean, I have seen, um, I watch Saturday Night Rove.

Tommy: Is there a—

Josh: so Rove McManus has a TV show on Saturday nights.

Tommy: And Rove is an Australian TV personality that was, when Josh and I were growing up, one of my favourite shows. Rove Live, Hamish and Andy were— that I watched it for them, Ryan Shelton.

Josh: So it was so good. So this is the thing, so I watched it and, um, I had to turn it off based on the pain that it was giving me.

Tommy: Really?

Josh: Just because. And then I went down a rabbit hole of like, I was like, oh, I'm going to watch some of his old stuff. And I watched all like highlights of Rove Live 2004 and it was just the best TV. They had like Avril Lavigne performing, Pink performing. They had Hilary Duff on the And it was just this back and forth, really quick conversations. And maybe it's like just too much, too much pressure.

Tommy: I thought you were going to say it was— you watched it and it wasn't as good as what you remember because that happens a lot.

Josh: No, so this is the thing. Rove Live 2004 holds up as an amazing show.

Tommy: He used to like close down a street, a cul-de-sac in a suburban neighbourhood and do the show from like the houses. Remember how sick that was?

Josh: He would do a thing where they would go live. And they would, uh, you would not know this, Mr. 97. You probably— what are you Googling right now?

Tommy: Cancel culture.

Mason: Uh, no, there's actually— that's not the right thing.

Tommy: Cancel culture, it's the thing I was talking about.

Mason: Yeah, yeah, it's musicians being cancelled and also like comedians.

Tommy: It's like, it's, it's, it's playing.

Josh: Everything's being cancelled.

Tommy: Yeah, no, it's about like, um, it takes someone— it's the wrong fuck.

Mason: It only takes one thing for fans to dump a celebrity. That's the—

Josh: oh, interesting.

Tommy: No, I swear Cancel culture I've only heard in respect to like comedians saying the wrong thing and then their Netflix special.

Josh: Friends cancelling plans and then write cancel culture, just so I'm right.

Tommy: Some hipster New York Times reporter just used it in the wrong context.

Josh: No, but this was, this was from a few years ago now, but because I remember doing a Facebook post just saying, yeah, sad, even though that's definitely happening.

Tommy: So Rove Live, new show. It's not— is he, is he trying to be the old Rove or is it like a Hmm.

Josh: Yeah, I'm trying to work out what it is.

Tommy: Or is it just the times? You know what?

Josh: Part of it. Part of it is that it's the times. So, the shit that you could laugh at in 2004. And whereas it felt like there was a constant feeling of, oh, you can't say that, like, which I think is a good thing, but maybe from a comedic flow. You've got an audience. Oh, that was the other thing. They were— When, like, I've seen Conan live, I've seen Jimmy Kimmel live, and there's a lot of work done, especially Jimmy Kimmel. I saw at South by Southwest, but Conan I saw at his studio, and they do heaps of work around, like, getting everyone excited and clapping and just, like, laughing. And it almost feels ridiculous because they say, okay, when Conan comes out, you need to be clapping and he's going to tell you to stop. You just got to keep going. Okay. Right. And it's almost like they said that to Rove's audience. But if you, if, if you're feeling a little bit anxious, just clap. Right. And so there's just like every time Jessica Malboy said something, everyone's like clapping. And it just, I was, and I feel like, yeah, what is that? Because they're all talented people. They're all like amazing entertainers.

Tommy: Well, so they're trying to socially, they're trying to engineer when people clap, right? It's like sitcoms or even Seinfeld was like, you could hear the crowd, you know, it's like, it's like you can hear it. You're told when to laugh, but maybe that's the problem, that it's actually not that funny. And we're just conditioned differently now that we laugh when we want.

Josh: Well, it's almost like celebrating. The audience is like designed to celebrate the guests.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And so when it's not necessarily connecting or they have it like, I think it would be really hard. I reckon if we're trying to have a conversation and every single time we said something that's not that funny, it got a clap and a laugh.

Tommy: Which I'm disappointed Mr. Nice Guy doesn't actually do that. There you go, got my little laugh.

Josh: I don't think it even opened up the noise gate. Maybe laughs are good.

Tommy: Even so, in live— so at live events, things are funnier. Podcasts— this is why Joe Rogan said, I don't record mine live, because it's a different environment, right? It actually suits a nice, comfortable, small, intimate room. I mean, it's nice to have people here, but when you do— say if we put 20, 30, 40, 50 people in front of us I'm sure the energy would be different and people will connect with different things that they won't through the headphones when they're just by themselves.

Josh: And like, I would love to see, um, like Australian TV talk shows, like, uh, evening sort of like night shows. There's not really anything.

Tommy: I don't exist. Uh, Kinney, but that's all pre-recorded. Um, The Project, that's Rove's baby too.

Josh: Rove Enterprises.

Tommy: So What channel was it on?

Josh: 10.

Tommy: Back to his old stomping ground. I mean, they gotta— they'll cancel it, right?

Josh: Well, it had really bad ratings as well.

Tommy: I mean, TV.

Mason: Crude and unfunny.

Tommy: Crude and unfunny.

Josh: Yeah, what— read an article. What is that?

Mason: That's the Daily Mail. But some tweets.

Tommy: No, they're trusty.

Mason: Rove: Sometimes you need to be aware when to throw in the towel. Saturday night was a disaster.

Tommy: I mean, this is the thing, this is No, I think you're probably on the money.

Josh: So the criticism though, what I worry about is, is that the answer? Does Rove just have to fucking give up? That doesn't feel fair.

Tommy: He's playing.

Josh: Maybe not fair, but does that feel like—

Tommy: but I think what is— I think as an artist you need to understand the times, or you at least need to have a crack. Did he just get a shitload of cash and doing what he wants to do? So maybe he's winning. Yeah, but I think artists want to have that. They want something to work, something to connect, something.

Josh: He just wants to do a good job.

Tommy: Exactly. So, but maybe why doesn't he have a podcast? Why doesn't he have—

Josh: and so that was torture.

Tommy: Like, look at what we create with not much money.

Josh: I guess that was part of it, which was like, um, maybe like if all of this is just like muscles, we're building muscles, he hasn't lifted a weight from our eyes based on like what we're seeing in the public. He hasn't lifted, uh, you know, a heavy weight in 7 years, 7 or 8 years, or however long it was since Rove. And then so him just getting out and being able to do it is really hard.

Tommy: He did Rove LA and that didn't go so well.

Josh: Which I watched some of that too. And I heard him, um, he was interviewing Seth MacFarlane and, uh, yeah.

Tommy: What's commendable about Rove is that he conquered Australian television, created a company that now has one of probably the most popular night shows, if there is any, The Project. And then I saw him write about Rove LA. It was his dream to go and have a show in LA. So he fulfilled that dream, right? It'd be like if we wanted to do something and— but it doesn't land. So how do you say it's like we've accomplished the thing, we've done the action of creating the show, but it hasn't done the, the reward on the other side of it, which is probably what he's doing now.

Josh: Maybe it's also like culture. So if you think about when Rove was doing that show, it was like one of the first seasons of Big Brother, one of the first seasons of Australian Idol. It's like when everyone was watching, like when you would go to school, everyone was talking about the same thing. And it felt like reality had that novelty. We weren't sort of over, like, like he was having hard-hitting conversations with like Big Brother people. It's just like, and if you tried to do that on The Bachelor, Like, yeah, yeah, crew.

Tommy: People are there for the garbage, but that's what it's—

Josh: it was a really good— it felt fucking great. I'll, um, I'll put a link in the show notes because that—

Tommy: the old school Rove?

Josh: Yeah, that 8-minute highlights package. Yeah, uh, and there was— I went down an absolute rabbit hole. Someone had put together like a 5-minute, uh, montage of Carrie Bickmore with no dialogue, just like jazz music. It's quite strange.

Tommy: I mean, there's lots of successful people that came that were on the rise within that show. Now they're superstars in Australia. So yeah, whether it's his time or not, just to wrap up, you got to get an email. Mr. 97.

Josh: Got a couple of emails.

Mason: No, no, we've got a couple. Ryan Spencer. It's the end of an era, but hey, that was one hell of a sendoff. This is in relation to Dyl.

Josh: Yep.

Tommy: We've got a video going up for Dill's last send-off today. Yeah, really?

Josh: Yeah.

Josh: What have you been working on?

Tommy: It's cut together. I'll, uh, we'll get it up soon.

Josh: What's in it?

Tommy: It's just him eating that cake.

Josh: It's ridiculous.

Tommy: Poor bastard ate 2,500 calories. Go to our Instagram, it's an IGTV video.

Josh: Oh, perfect. Great. It went for more than a minute. Yeah, you made him eat cake.

Mason: That's sped up as well.

Tommy: So what I did was I cut every moment. I didn't do a time-lapse. I cut every moment he took a bite. And so there's just— it's so funny. It's great. Great. I wasn't looking for a response from you, mate. This is me. Just take on that.

Josh: That's good.

Josh: Perfect.

Josh: Perfect. Great. You can't just let it go.

Tommy: Just let it go.

Mason: Though I was a little disappointed that they weren't lamington cakes.

Josh: We did lamingtons in the early days.

Mason: Yeah, yeah, we did. This is from Dill's mum.

Josh: Too healthy as well, lamingtons.

Tommy: Yeah, we wanted those. Calleries, baby.

Josh: We needed a bit of pink icing.

Tommy: It smelled like a pink donut. Like, it smelled— it was ridiculous. Anyway, real sugary.

Mason: Josh, Tommy, Mr. 97, and all, I would like to take this opportunity to say thank you from the bottom of our hearts for inviting Dyl to Melbourne, accepting him as an intern, and being there for him for the past 4 months.

Tommy: This is his mum. Lead with names.

Josh: He did. He said Michelle, but it was—

Tommy: lead with context.

Mason: Words alone cannot express our thanks for everything you and all the people he has met have done for him while he was there. You have all become part of our family, and we look forward to seeing what the future holds for the daily talk show and for all of you personally. We wish you all the best for future endeavors, and we'll be following along with everything on Instagram and watching on YouTube.

Tommy: He's tearing up. He's still lovely.

Josh: Jesus, the Grunk Squad is— has grown.

Tommy: It has, yeah, yeah. It felt like sending Dill off into his hotel room, which could have been a really bad idea. He stayed at the airport, yeah, the night before his flight.

Josh: I wonder what he— do you know what he ate? Nah, I didn't ask him.

Tommy: I think he's probably just—

Josh: I reckon he went with room service, probably.

Tommy: Nah, no, no, it was his card, it was his card, it wasn't our card.

Josh: No, no, I don't think he would have done room service because you were saying anyway, we can— you were telling him to— you're really selling in Room service.

Tommy: Oh, well, when you're at a hotel, I don't know, it's just— it can't be fun doing anything. Yeah, I mean, but Dyl loves this shit.

Josh: But the thing that I love, hotels having CNN on, just watching the news.

Tommy: Yeah, but complemented with a, um, what do you call it, the little triangle sandwiches, the, um, uh, club sandwich. Club sandwich. Yeah, chicken, lettuce, under bacon. We worked that out, remember? Oh yeah, yeah. And anyway, we get another email.

Mason: Yeah, another one from Kyle Dundas. Hi Tommy, Josh, Mr. 97, and 3D Dill, lads. I just wanted to say thank you. I've listened to episode 100 with Hamish Blake from the 1-hour mark countless times.

Josh: What happened before the hour mark?

Josh: Just us talking shit.

Tommy: But maybe it was where Hamish went real reflective.

Josh: Yeah, I think that we—

Tommy: I gotta listen to that again.

Josh: You and I even talk about the fact that like our first few minutes of a conversation. It's not our strongest.

Tommy: I don't think there's many great podcasts. Some of my favourite ones all say 20 minutes, you're kind of hitting a stride. Everything's just relaxed at that point.

Josh: How long did that conversation go for? An hour 10? 10 minutes at the end.

Tommy: Mate, he was so generous. He'd just flown in from Sydney. It was late. We got the episode just in time for 12 o'clock.

Josh: That would have been one of the latest episodes we ever put out. It was like 11:30.

Tommy: Yeah.

Mason: Yeah, it's completely changed my perspective on life and creativity. You have no idea how much I really appreciate that you've put Hamish's conversation out into the world. Keep on creepin' on.

Tommy: Keep on creepin' on.

Mason: Creepin' on as well.

Josh: Thanks, brother. I think it's, it's the, um, you know, why it's, uh, so amazing what we get to do. And that the, the fact that so many, like at Marley yesterday, like so many amazing people are willing to have conversations with us. It's very easy to just say no or just ignore our requests.

Tommy: Totally. It's just capturing a moment of time. Like, that's what I love about like an hour and whatever it was with Haim over an hour.

Josh: You should look that up. Yeah. You know, you did.

Tommy: Josh gave you a few bits of bait and he didn't.

Josh: Well, he nearly did. I think you even, you gestured as if you were going to.

Tommy: But we've got that moment in time that people, anyone can listen back to. It's a weird thing. And so as we're— we, we forget totally about the past when we're just constantly thinking today, what's on tomorrow, what's on the next day, what's on this week.

Mason: Hour 44.

Tommy: Oh wow, that's a good solid 44 minutes. Yeah, fuck yeah.

Josh: 44.

Tommy: Yeah, I thought he said 50 minutes. Anyway, it's, um I've captured this in time and that's fucked. Can we delete this? We don't need it. That's what I also love, we don't edit any of this stuff. So every conversation you're hearing is unedited, it's unscripted.

Josh: We literally had someone that might not come on based on it not being edited.

Tommy: I think they're coming on.

Josh: Okay, good.

Tommy: But, but, but we— it's a moment where we stand strong to what we are. We're not a show that edits, and for that reason we're lazy fucks. Oh, but also I think there's a I think there is a, there is an exchange you do with not editing. So that's why we encourage people, if you're starting, not to edit, because you're actually going, I'm signing up for giving my genuine take on something, and you're outed. If you create a podcast and you get in a lot of trouble, it's probably because you think a whole bunch of shit that you, that isn't—

Josh: Well, we've outed ourselves so many times for being dumb. Like, if you think about it, I was even going through the snippets that Mason had made, it's just like so many times I'm like, oh, why am I still talking? You know what I mean? Yeah, but, but we don't edit. Like, if we were to listen to it, we could make ourselves sound at least 5% smarter.

Tommy: I think you— it's rapid learning to this. Even if you don't care or have aspirations to have some huge podcast, just creating something where you're having conversation or talking is so educational because you, you have a chance to stuff up and then you come back. And there's no better way to learning than, than I believe, by— than it is by stuffing up.

Josh: So like, when have you, uh, what do you think you've learned the most through doing this show?

Tommy: Oh, I've been thinking a lot about, um, uh, what's it called, um, stereotypes. And so you could think of a stereotype, and I won't go into it because I think it's something I learned, but having a stereotype's real, or are they, you know, so if you're to class a group of people and stereotype that group of people, this is not, I'm not saying being racist, but it's taking up a bunch of people and seeing something that consistently happens and then affirming that by your personal experience with those people. But then I'm thinking, I don't know how— I don't think there's much benefit in pointing out a stereotype of a certain group of people because maybe stereotypes just put people in boxes. Exactly.

Josh: You just hit your arm there.

Tommy: Oh no, it's just noisy because of the headphones. But yeah, so that's one thing I was thinking about. I've probably been quicker to stereotype groups of people in my life, and I've said things on this podcast that have pointed to a certain group of people that have stereo— that is me stereotyping. And then I've thought, I don't know if I needed to even acknowledge that area. And so then dropping that out of the conversation so that that didn't come out of some big thing that went on in the show. It's like literally just I said it and I was like, I didn't feel good about it. And so when you don't feel good about something, and that's why showing up, saying stuff, talking interacting, understanding is your way to learning. For me, it makes me understand more about myself. It wasn't— I mean, it wasn't even based on someone else's reaction to it, which is usually how people learn.

Josh: They say, because when you have new mates, when you have new mates, yeah, and you start saying, okay, uh, how would that mate feel about this and that? And we start to like— I guess we are like Jason Fox talks about co-creating or whatever. We're always constantly co-creating, and that's why I think It's why I love just having more guests on, gives us more opportunities to co-create and to learn from other experiences, to— which I think is all we're doing is gaining more and more empathy.

Tommy: Like, I was even, um, and understanding other perspectives. Yeah, things, because however we view the world is just based on our beliefs and thoughts and surroundings. So it's it's testing all of those. And that's great because you can have people on that we don't actually agree with, but then you can just sort of understand a bit.

Josh: But you don't have to understand someone's politics to have a conversation with them. Like, I think maybe we've gone too, like, black and white with stuff. Like, it's either they're either on our side or they're not.

Josh: Yeah.

Josh: Whereas, like, I think that there probably is, like, like the, the grey area, the, the variables. Like, okay, something has shaped someone's thoughts based on the experiences they've had, and are we further isolating those people based on, uh, being like, oh, you know what, you don't believe how we believe, so we're not gonna have you on?

Tommy: I don't know. Yeah, it's constantly learning.

Josh: What about you, 97? What have you learned?

Mason: Uh, probably I think the pod— I'm still learning it, but it's, it's helped me formulate, I guess, and articulate thoughts and opinions. Like, I never really thought I had much to say about all these, like, different topics, but then, like, something comes up on the show and then it'll make me think about it for the next, like, few days or whatever. And that, that's a way for me to, I guess, like, succinctly develop my thoughts and be able to articulate them in a sort of, yeah, succinct manner. Like, it's hard because whenever you have those thoughts, they're just in your head and you never actually have to talk about them. So being able to verbalise them has been a big learning for me.

Josh: Well, because we're just reacting normally, like we're just in the moment reacting to however we feel without necessarily giving it the critical thought about, okay, why do I think about X, Y, and Z?

Tommy: And thinking only gets you so far. There's other pieces to the equation that can take you down. So if you want to be more articulate, how do you get better at being articulate? You speak and then you think. So you think and then translate the thinking into spoken word and you listen.

Josh: And because I guess part of it is it's like you, um, it's like, uh, Year 12 IT, garbage in, garbage out. And so we are the content that we consume, we are the conversations that we have the people that we listen to. And so that's part of it too, is knowing, okay, we don't have all the answers, so let's just have a conversation and listen. It's good.

Tommy: Marlee yesterday said, I think it was, don't ask, don't listen to learn, listen to—

Josh: Or don't listen to respond.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah. Listen to learn, listen to learn, not to respond. Listen to learn, don't listen to respond. Which is great because it's like when you're telling somebody about how, how much awareness they are lacking, that conversation usually goes, here's the things and I don't need anything back from you right now. Yeah, because here they are and here's how it made me feel. Oh, but, but this is actually— now you got to listen.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And then because if you're just— and I've done this, I think we can all get on the back foot and just, we want to rebut and give an excuse or a reason as to why something happened.

Josh: Well, everything's so nuanced too, because just that person's experience and how they're laying it out is their individual experience. Doesn't mean it's right as well. Yeah, that's the other complex bit about the whole thing. So how many times have people said, look, I'm being really honest right now, like trying to frame something really mean in them just being super honest. Yeah, which is like, oh no, well, that's still— it's just how you feel. It's not real. Like, thoughts aren't facts.

Tommy: Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, uh, tomorrow, great show coming up. Shameless. Yeah, gals are back on.

Josh: Michelle and Zara. Looking forward to that.

Tommy: Don't ever say that while I'm saying it.

Josh: Uh, speaking, mate, hi, thedailytalkshow.com if you want to send us an email. Otherwise, uh, we'll see you tomorrow.

Tommy: See you guys.