#434 – Botched Surgeon Dr. Paul Nassif/
- August 24, 2019
Dr. Paul Nassif joins us live from Sydney for Weekend Banter. Dr Nassif is famous for his role on the hit reality show Botched, he’s also a leading specialist in facial plastic surgery.
We chat about the art of surgery, intermittent fasting and looking after your health.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show we discuss:
– Dr. Nassif being down under
– The 10,000-Hour Rule
– Intermittent fasting, weight lifting and health
– 3D-Dyl’s plans when he gets back
– Irresponsible spending
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It's the daily talk show weekend band. And this is our very first we've got a bit of action happening. Dr. Nazif from the hit show botched in the out of Beverly Hills. Welcome to the show. Nice. Well, thanks, guys. Nice to meet both of you. Well, welcome to Australia. How many times have you been to Australia? This is my, I think nine times. Wow. Hmm. And and so you're out here. What are you doing in the land down under? Well, I got here this morning, and I'm on TV sn, the shopping channel, selling my incredible skincare line magazine. I'm really curious about the shopping channel stuff. I watched a film a couple of years ago where I was all about the whole world of the shopping channel. What have you learned about sales doing the whole thing? Well, I'm you know, the funny thing is, it's
Very hard. I mean, it's easier to be on TV and perform surgery. Yeah. There is to,
to actually sell because what you're doing, you're sitting there with each product. And you're sitting there talking to everyone and getting them interested in doing it. I mean, overall, it's fun. Because I love skincare. So it's an easy discussion to me. And
you know, I come out here because botched is very popular. People love the show. And they love my skincare been doing it for a couple of years. So, but it's kind of cool. It's different, though, didn't as if we're of the School of Seth Godin Mac Malcolm Gladwell, Tim Ferriss, a lot of these us name, intellectuals, and something that I've gravitated towards is the 10,000 10,000 hour rule. Where you master something, you know, you've only mastered something you've done 10,000 hours, I could imagine you've done
Least 10,000 hours in the practice
a lot more. Maybe 10,000 rhinoplasty.
And actually I remember reading that book too, especially if always a too loud with the ocean.
Where can you explain to our listeners Where are you? Oh, beautiful. I'm actually walking in my scrubs says that's what I wear when I'm on TV for skincare. I'm walking on DY Beach.
And I mean I'm on a beautiful podcast with you guys walking on the beach in Sydney, Australia can't get better. Yeah, it's beautiful. And so the water and the water is coming up and and I'm looking for bull sharks.
Well, let us know just scream if you say one. I mean on Tommy's point, the 10,000 hours. How much time are you spending in surgeries now versus doing things like TVSN or
This sort of the non surgery stuff on botched
surgery hours per week average.
Let me give me see 1020
about 25 hours a week in surgery. Well, those hours I could imagine you at, at your best highly focused, there's no showing up feeling a bit down and are not really feeling today and still doing it. How do you go into the surgeries? Because if you know I've heard you talk about the things that can go wrong. So I can imagine it's quite high stress.
Well, not anymore. I mean, I mean, if you look in hours, I probably done maybe 20 20,000 hours and surgery and you always have to be hyper vigilant. But am I nervous when I go into surgery? Absolutely not. You know, you can't be nervous. I mean, you just have to be aware and always be cautious.
Am since I love surgery, it's almost like going in the shower and or shaving.
The routine is however, you have to be able to drop,
have a second
to be able to deal with the complication
or the patients under anaesthesia. And all of a sudden somebody happens with their blood pressure, their oxygenation their heart, you'll be able to handle that with the anesthesiologist, or from the surgical side if you see, for example, the skin of the nose or the face, start turning purple.
You know, obviously your
your your tone down, the lower part of your body starts to increase. If you already know what I'm talking about, yeah, and you go, oh, oh crap. You need to deal with it. But the more experience you have with anything just like in life, he got used to
And be able to handle it. botched is my girlfriend's favourite show. I think you have to season six at the moment. Is that is that right? Yeah we're in season six which is going to air we have about 22 episodes coming out and I don't know what no air in Sydney remember Sydney is our third Australia
is our third largest market for botched am I talking too loud by the way not perfect night Just relax you sounding
like I'm walking all the way
to go back and go sell on TBS since surely Yeah, but
there were season 620 22 episodes and it's going strong. It's awesome. And when it comes to money, and cost of surgery, I know you're in Beverly Hills here at the higher end. You've got a great profile. You're great at what you do. Does higher cost plastic surgery equate to better
You would hope so. Yeah. You would hope. I mean, for me, I would say that higher end cost surgery for me associates with experience
and hearts revision cases. In other words,
people come to me yesterday the first time obviously, I do anything with the face. But let's say you have 10 rhinoplasty, so you know steroid
and you're a high risk.
Obviously that's going to just acetate, you know, two more time in the operating room a longer surgery, more experienced surgeon that's more expensive. I mean, you've probably seen the increase in people who are cosmetic surgeons that are getting, you know, a licence across a weekend to be able to, to do you know, some things that a professional a doctor, someone who spent many, many years doing how has that changed since you've been in the game. Now that's still happening.
That's why, as a revision specialist, it still happens all the time. Doctors that aren't really qualified to do procedures or not trained or take a weekend course. And they call himself a cosmetic surgeon.
It's you know, it's dangerous. So
there's still one of the most common thing that's been scary is the increase of deaths in regards to doctors performing Brazilian Butt Lifts, you know where they take fat injected into the buttocks. Yeah.
I I saw on your Instagram account. You did. You did a throwback. I could have sworn you say it was 1999 I feel like it was done last week looking at you right now. And I guess part of it is you specialise in aesthetic. But am I right saying like you looking great at the moment. Have you lost white? Do you have any secret
thing that you're doing at the moment in regards to staying slim. Yeah, actually, I'm Danna. I think I'm at. I'm now at 175 I haven't been that low. What about maybe college?
So what I'm doing is a few things and
is, uh, I still intermittent fast six days a week. Yeah, I don't eat, I don't eat for 16 hours a day, I eat those eight hours. Then you have to kind of limit your calories a little bit, cutting out more of flour and sugar. But then, in regards to exercise,
as you get older,
what's going to burn more calories and better for an older person is lifting weight lifting, but heavier weight so I'm lifting more heavier. Still doing some cardio? Yeah. But then the intermittent fasting you're cutting down the sugar and flour do you do you find it hard because one of the items
love that idea and I hear a lot of great things about
wet fate. I hope you brought an extra pair of shoes.
I'm sorry, it's dangerous here in Australia. I care what you're saying now look around the fasting steps. So if you were to implement fasting I mean if Josh started fasting 16 hours a day, our workload would decrease because he wouldn't be able to do it he hasn't blood sugars and right and for the for the baby here, going into a surgery they're like if you start doing fasting, I mean you'd feel hungry. Is it distracting you from doing what you're doing? I gotta tell you in the beginning it was bothersome. Yeah, I got very weakened surgery a little bit. I'd have to sit down more and relax. And I will tell you that
after your body gets used to it, it stabilises your blood sugar more
You feel better. You don't have fluctuations. And it's actually makes you feel I mean, now my body because I used to feel that way too. I've gotten used to it. And today it feels great. And now it feels great but it took it took about a good month and I've been doing this for about two years and then I am over here for a minute and then I uh
I have breakfast on Sunday. Yeah, treat yourself on Sunday for breakfast. Yeah.
I mean is the the weights lifting and not eating as much did you did you start with not like the fasting and then incorporate the weights because that's what are the you always hear if you want to gain muscle you need to be having more calories to build the muscle. So another good point
I find myself getting more hungry now.
gaining more muscle, yeah, so you do remember the best way to lose weight besides in the kitchen by cutting your car you're cutting your calories and carbs down is when you start getting more muscle mass, you do have to increase your caloric intake and also you gotta like the morning even though my might blow it a little bit by just have about 20 grammes of protein and water
and because you got to feed the muscles a little bit. So you're right there is that fine balance, I read an article. I think recently that if you're trying to build muscle mass
fasting is really not the best thing to do. And plus, after you fast for a while, you do in the beginning you start to drop weight, but that dropping weight only lasts for a little while then your body stabilises like anything else. Do you do any? like hot saunas for extended period of time ZZ some of the sacred egot doc. Now I mean, that's that
proud of me, I'm sure that's all great. Yeah, you know? Now, I mean, the bottom line is stressful, ruined you enrol into a lot of stress. I mean, you just need to get swept away by why.
Yeah, but But hey, yeah, that was funny. That was that was actually
pretty damn good. You guys make sure you use
you got it but but the point is, let me get in the shade here for
it when you drop weight down I feel better, more energy my blood sugar's better. My blood pressure is down. And so visceral fat for a male is the killer. Yeah. I mean the you're also preparing for a wedding. Congratulations. Enough in October.
what's what's been the preparation like and I've been with my girlfriend for over 10 years the idea of a wedding and have to having to sort out the invite list sort of puts me off what's the
What's your take on it?
Um, I mean, the way we did it to kind of like decrease the amount of people coming as we did it in Greece, are we arguing?
And the funny thing is I expected maybe 1015 people. We have about an 80%. RSVP? Yes. lyst Yeah. Yeah. So that didn't work. So, um, but this is my second time. So, you know, you just want to invite your close family, friends and your family. Yeah. So, Australia, so take yourself back to that when you're in school, medicine school. I mean, when you're there, you're focused. You wanting to become the doctor, the surgeon. You're not thinking about being a superstar on the telly. I like or is that in your head back then?
No, you're not. I'm not at all. I mean, this is kind of
a gratuitous that this happened. I mean,
I started doing makeover shows years ago may seem fun. And so it just kind of started. And then it continued
whenever that housewives show, which was a mistake, now let me tell
you what was the mistake that what was the experience like, you know, being on a reality show these housewives shows I mean, you know, you show more of your life, me or you can add more stress and that's what it did.
You know, to my life, but you know, you already have a problem just makes it worse. And so how long are you in Australia? And I leave Monday morning, what's the food? What's the deal? You're gonna you're fasting, you're going to have a break, you can enjoy some delicious food.
Um, I fasted today, because I flew in, and we just had lunch at like 130 and then I'm going to go back now as soon as I get off the I gotta go back to TVSN go on the show. Go back to the hotel.
Do a quick hour workout and then go eat light and then that's it. Australians verse us in terms of what we're getting done cosmetically and the US is a different Are you noticing
this is like California the way it looks a lot of people want Yeah. So when I come to Sydney I think I'm in California. Yeah. Have you been to Melbourne? That's what nice no nicer people yeah, I've been to Melbourne now Yeah. And so when when you're on your flight to you guess you you find business class or first class at this point? Is it tempting to eat the food I know that I were having having a time where I I decided to too fast and then it just so happened that I used all my points to fly first class. It seems like a bit of a yc anything. Well, the funny thing is I did not eat the beautiful breakfast a surge virgin. That was great. I did eat the late dinner which was pushing it
because the food looks so darn good, but I did.
I didn't mean all of it but I did not. I said don't wake me up. And then I woke up anyway they're serving on the food and I just said no, I'm not doing it. That's good. Awesome. That is discipline that is your highly disciplined man. And before you go the skincare what's the deal? What do you What are you selling on TV SN tell us about it. Yeah, my whole line of NASA MD German articles and it's based on you know, one exfoliation and cleansing and detoxifying.
I lost you from it.
I lost I thought it was a wave. Sorry. I was I was I got hit by a bull shark.
But um, first part of everything is detoxifying exfoliation, to hydration. Three great active ingredients for specific parts of your face. And that's what all lines based out of, you know, the women out here love it. And man, we're trying to get the men to start using it too. Oh, I lost you guys again. That's all right. We can I yeah, it's just it's pausing there. But I think
There's a three way with George Clooney.
Who's the most famous person going to your wedding doc?
You know, I can't say that I will just say some there's some you know a few nice a celebs but remember, you know most people fly from everywhere to come to me for destroyed tissue
and that's what happens. Yeah, you know, but the point is I have all kinds of fun customers Yeah. Hey, we sometimes take this show on the road we've we've spent quite a bit of time in LA so when we come we get to look you up and and we'd love to come in and meet you maybe some injectables or something. Right? Yep. Right. Bring your shutter LA and we'll do it my friends. Oh, yeah. might enjoy Australia. chat to you soon. Thanks, guys. Thank you. Hey, buddy.
How's it different one? Yeah.
Just good old fashioned radio on it. I know. Well, you gotta say
We today we've been flying around. It's it's waking Banta we've been. We've been run off our feedback. We wanted to get that in. And we've made it happen. What do you think about it? 97? I just right. Yeah, very charismatic. Yeah. He's walking along the base. Yeah. We got taken by Why? It was. It was super lovely. I reckon that I'm fascinated by the TBS and stuff. Well, the show you're talking about was, I think, with Emma Stone, and she and she was the character that invented the mop. Yes. Squeeze my hand. That was such a great field. Yeah. And so they she made millions and millions of dollars in the early days of TV ads. I mean, yeah. So people, people are buying the shit. I mean, you're getting somebody at those late night times, and I'm sure it was bigger back in the day. But there's still you know, some people there that are calling up and got and yet by that fact that Dr. Nassif says convincing. Oh by that
I guess it's like the it's the
Oh, it's just a product it's a white it's just a way of selling it I guess which is interesting. Who did you because this feels very much I didn't haven't come from a radio on a background. I feel like in Chaplin you would have had a few experiences like this hundred percent jelly jelly. Geri Halliwell. She was a Spice Girl. You know the Spice Girls are missing it. Yeah, I don't know who Geri Halliwell is. She's a spicy. Ginger, Ginger spice.
Yeah, anyway, the most famous pop group and female pop group on earth. And so what was the what were some of the guests so you had her Who else?
who helps far out? Like who's giving it so and how do you even when I read a shepherd and we had Tim romantic about 50 times in studio ever? No, never. This is the thing no one ever came to share. But yeah, so it was a bit annoying, but we got some good ones. I think I just I pulled some strings and ask some people
Jools Holland, I think we you know, we got on with some some good publicist, but that's that publicist guy. I don't even know how we've got Dr. Nazif on the show. So don't completely understand.
just repeating this year was there he surprises
the fact that he just sort of answered and started talking. That's it. It feels pretty hilarious. It feels completely unnatural. It is. And so that's I think with this is in the rising moment of blending that style with a podcast, which is long form, or Yeah, we've done it for weekend banter. Do you think just as a bit of inside baseball,
do you think that we would do more interviews like that? Like, it feels like it's very much an interview at this point, rather than the conversation. I mean, he's mine. Cool, but
no, but I think you end up not but it's the same as pretending that Yeah.
Well, it did feel like
I felt like I was on
Please definitely on July 7, Dr. Nassif is on cameo and then we'll use a cameo to get him to then give us a shout it's a boys when you I just wanted to you know what I did? I wanted to lock it down that he said it on camera. We can catch up with him when we're in Beverly Hills. I wanted to talk to him we don't have any we don't have that we didn't have much time with it is an interesting existence living in Beverly Hills. Like if you've ever been there. It's so amazing like I am when I won that TV presenting workshop. Me Tony Mark Danny bloody tapping over there.
It sounds like it just shows that these seats in voice sounds like we're big, important people. My brothers know I've got this footage that I shot because I was there doing the presenting workshop for a week. And we did some piece the cameras on Beverly.
Beverly in Beverly Hills and Main Street well on the strip shops and this surgeon in a scrubs and I wash
I should have asked in fact, so this is from I wanted to ask we have his number or we can just ask you one more thing. There's a guy that plays you know, croquet It looks like a golf club. wouldn't love in a big fat ball. Anyway, he runs up and down in Beverly Hills playing this running, you know, pass.
No, no, no, I think he's a surgeon that does it like in between surgery. So he's just like staying focused. Interesting thing about the Beverly Hills logo.
Registered Trademark. Yeah. So you literally like if you were to do if we were to do a travel video, we literally wouldn't be able to show the sign without first getting permission. I mean, we're pretty I mean, so many people are low. It's like in how do you implant? How do you accept tourism as a thing? And the evolution of cameras and smartphones? Yeah, and have that role. It seems to me back when is like, maybe show the sign so you can bring people bring people in and I mean, you need bloody if you
Using tripods over there, you can't be filming the straight and the fact
that it's the land of glitz and glamour. I mean, I think he lives in Beverly Hills. Yeah, Doc thoughts.
I mean, I'm happy to stay at his place if he lets us
37 you can take the bungalow great. Is he got a bungalow a
nice. I mean, I was surprised at how many hours that he was doing actually still doing surgery. And now it's 2025 hours and intermittent fasting, like I'm worried about fucking and edit, you know, cutting an artery. The reality is we're working 25 hours a week. That's a lot of the topics that you end up putting in, like, they're serious contact hours, right? You can't fuck up. That's like us. I don't even know. I mean, US holding the camera for 25 hours. That's the equivalent, then we can even slack off a bit because no one's gonna die. You know, and
I'll say, even though it's an aesthetic thing, it's so important because if you like you're still dealing with it, actually.
People he's a super high performer. Yeah, exactly. That's the thing. Like, that's why I was curious about the whitelist stuff because he's just really he's not like necessarily an expert. But he's a doctor who's spent many, many years studying. Yeah. And he's obviously like, you can tell the geeks out on it all. I reckon we send him the snippet of him getting swept away.
Drop it on. He's into the show. Brandy in there. Thanks, buddy. 3d deal. Yeah. What's going on, mate? It's the final days. Yeah, it's coming. It's getting near to the end of it now. Thinking about how I'm going to deal with this flight home. I realised that what you're worried about, I'm in the flight. Actually relaxing because I think it's the time when you can't contact the earth. You're up above it. Yeah. And you got free alcohol. Yeah, yeah. So don't tap. Like Get up. Get some nuts. You know, it's fucking awesome. Watch all the movies. I love it. Like over here.
North American thing like the people not liking to travel ban love like a long flight sitting stacking audio but you could like this I'm seriously low audio books you can get through the whole thing. Yeah No I'm like I'm looking forward to just that time to detach kind of my country relax. But my concern is you going back to uni on Tuesday or something? Yeah, well, no, I get back. I get back Tuesday and I'm in I start school basically a week. So you gotta wake I move into school three days after I get back home. That's it. So go back to the camp like any campus. Yeah. And so what's the
What have you been organising behind the scenes in regards to preparing yourself to get to
know Britain for Actually, no, I've had to apply for a job in school like so I'm working as a peer tutor again. I did it last year and my third year going I reference or something. Can we give you a video reference? Right? Yeah.
Yeah, what do you need us to say? Say that I'm an amazing sketch and that you should pay me more than what they currently pay me with. I don't know what the reference. Yeah, I feel like that's that's on NG restriction we can decide. Hi, it's Josh, and Tommy from the daily talk show. This is a video reference for Dylan torvill. He is a fantastic tutor. We've had heaps of students coming through here and he's always giving him a hand. He even did this behind us this logo. Don't let him near minibar. That's for another day to discuss but definitely pay more money than you are. Yeah. Because we know that awesome. Yeah, yeah. Like I've been sorting that out, just getting all the applications across.
sorting out what I need to bring back to school to get my thesis proposals written up, which I haven't done, but what's the what's the thesis proposal? minimum, hundred and 50 words maximum 200 words defining less than a blog post? Yeah, defining my thesis problem and I've got it
Do like 10 to 15 of those. I've got one. Yeah. What is a problem for you?
Like, what is an example of the problem? And it was like 97. I'm tired. Shutterstock not? Yeah. No, it just sort of clicked. An example of a thesis problem is you have to enter like your who, what, where, and why? of why you actually want to pursue this as a valid thesis thing, because it's going to be an eight month project, right? So you can't pick something that's super simple that you can solve in three weeks. And then it's like, What the hell are you going to do for the rest of the time? Yeah, I mean, saying a few big babies that haven't gone to university, and what we're doing what's as it? I would feel like if I was in university, and I was near the end, and I was hanging out with people like us, I'd be wanting out. It's made me think it's made me consider not going back, go back. Going, you gotta go back. I'm going back. I've already paid the money to go back. Yeah, but if I hadn't paid the money, I would be less and
inclined to go back and finish and just start. And so then you have how many weeks of school?
Oh geez 32 I think it was time for another year. It's a full eight months. I see why you're thinking about quitting. Yeah.
Looks like a little bit that you have to do. You still got a lot of work to do. I've got to four months semesters, okay, and then to like, give you the final semester to try and sort your shoot out with like what you're going to do in the real world? No, we have to finish our thesis. It's crazy. I mean, that's the thing, just like it. Money free, free at the end. And then like, that's what everyone asks us. He's like how we make money, but
that's why I'm working as a tutor, right? Because it allows me to still do school. I basically just get paid to sit in the classroom sit and do my own work. I made close to $5,000 last year doing homework. Yeah, but five that a $5,000 a night man.
I would never get paid so much money do any homework. I didn't do any in school.
And so do you feel the pressure like what is the date
You think like this, this is over to the money's done.
It'll probably be April, April and May of next year, where I'll be like, oh, I'll be I'll have graduated school. I'll have my degree. thesis will be done, school will be done. And I'll basically be trying to figure out what I'm going to do from that on. we'll have you back. Yeah. I'll come back.
Well, there we have it. This is not official job offer. Not.
Not just yet, Jason. Isn't it seven? Could you imagine going back to uni? No chance. You want? No, not it's, we're not giving this kid the $2,000 use it or lose it? Yeah. Education fun. comedy. Definitely. When is it? No, I mean, it just, it just feels too. I guess rigid and impractical. Like in terms of what we're doing. All this stuff that I've learned and picked up is just been through, observing what you guys do or
like learning on the go and having to
sort of adjust and adapt on the fly. So I think that sort of like right learning. Yeah, it's just a Yeah, it's it's too impractical I guess for the whole creative sort of space that I want to be in your hands on God. Well, there's a it's funny that there's an industry that is colleges and universities, where there's like, you can literally finish school and then become a tutor or whatever, or become a lecturer and like, you can be an academic you can spit like, there is something I was saying it the other day when we're in July on, like our the college, college town like the university town, there is something interesting about that community and like, you had negative ideas of school or you had a negative experience, but there's some people who like flourished in school and enjoyed the whole like, I'm going to get a library and we like that we you know,
I might go to the library. Yeah, I get 12 like a little bit just to get work done. But it was more. I mean, I wouldn't, wouldn't call it fun. I think what you're saying though, is,
you know, it's a three day deal finishing uni, is to break the mould of that, yeah, because the real world, it's very different to getting the routine to get your schoolwork done to do a bit of part time work then becomes now I need a full time job to make a career for myself, which is why this experience has been so beneficial. Like, it's been getting an insight into the working industry without the pressure of necessarily like without the pressure of
the this job is my
like the end all be all if I fuck up this job, it's like it's, then I'm gonna have to go out and find another one. It's like it's only a four month thing, where it's not that it's a long commitment. It's still a commitment in the short period of time, but I have, I have something to go back to
After that UCY trade to the minibar
So do you think that college
prepares you for a job? Rather than for working for yourself? I
think it depends on what you're in college for. Ultimately, like going for industrial product design. It has definitely optimised it optimises students for working in a studio environment, like what we're doing working for a design firm where you're amongst dozens of other people that are creative directors, graphic designers, other product designers colorists, etc, etc, etc. And they all you all kind of work as a collective whole. And you get say maybe one 12th of the of the total
piece of the pie. So to speak as an analogy, like you get one 12th of the contribution
as, but then when like, that's part of a bigger company, and then you don't really see your individual part of it. Like we've done Sponsored
Projects and competitions in school for like toy companies and stuff, where we had to design a toy for them. And then we had to go and present it presented to them. Like that's playing into that industrial job thing of like, getting someone Yeah, pick yourself on the on the picture, you got different bits, you know, you're doing this stage, that stage age, and then it comes out the other end, but they're priming you for that. I mean, could you imagine a business partnership? Is that something like do they teach you any skills? Well, we have in our third year, which I just finished up, we have a course called entrepreneurship. And it's it's another four month course it's three hours a week. It's like 120 odd hours by the end of the semester, and you're supposed it's basically
runs you through as if you were your own entrepreneur in school. One of the units is how to create that.
I'm Todd It was nice to create that passive income. But it but it that's that's their idea of what they want to do with the course but they don't do it nearly successfully. So what is it? What is the course that you did the course? Yeah, I took the course. So what is a mandatory course for this for the programme? And so three three hours a week? Yeah, what the fuck can you do in three hours a week three hours a week is is like I don't know that's that's like a half a day of my Instagram usage. Yeah, half Personally, I'm very personally I found I found it like a waste of time. It's like why why are we sitting here? thinking and talking about entrepreneurship and watching YouTube videos without a social network? Yeah. And I hope that some of them we could just go out and do it ourselves. What is it then? So what is it there's there's this like an online thing called Etsy
Apparently it's Australia and he's the one Oh yeah, so what we're supposed to do is create a small product that we could hand manufacture ourselves given the tools and the shop that we have at school and market it and sell it through Etsy actually them on which in essence sounds like a pretty decent idea that you fucking whip your mom and get a making the beanies is that how we made these little wooden toy truck things that had like six pieces that you could interchange so it's it's meant for kids like two to three Bodie would have loved it. Yeah, but I can bring it over. Let's be honest, bowtie ain't on Etsy. Yes, I get that. So maybe what these universities are doing is they're the catalyst for people with entrepreneurial spirit within them to see that and just fucking go. That's, that's mine.
journey. Yeah. Like, I guess that's part of it too, which is like, what's the what is the real world is this the real world and now if this
Is this a fucking joke of a real world isn't yeah I think
our world yeah this isn't but this is not real world what's the real world What do we think nice says what do you think real world is Colin straight? Yeah it's business real yeah real real real real world is is corporate CBD work just sort of rocking up nine to five building sites yeah construction yeah might build apartments What do what else do you want? Yeah yeah i mean when you compare that to this yeah no that's why I feel like it's labour we're doing he's like
yeah but when you when you class these hands
yeah they clammy and so bit climate they've been in Colombia so yeah
I said told right a deal that I felt like I had jet lag which is why I use the opportunity
Out of talking you forgot what I was saying.
Like we went out to it went out to lunch and that was one of the first times I think when you're in a comfortable group you can do it but it's like guys I'm just gonna is it all good if I just sit through my phone? Yes, I guess it's so cool but then it was almost like a wave me like you've been gaining like what can I talk about? What isn't it like guess? What's going on?
guys hear about Molly so I wouldn't care about I can
just Spotify just got I just got a push notification. Hey, love the new album from Taylor Swift is here. That push notification on the I really wonder what
you think about these deals? Like for instance, Spotify your say How about this? I reckon this is pretty cool.
In 2011 when I was working on the film Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead, the documentary sick Community Manager, I organised a meeting with you today.
Which is Google flew to Sydney for another thing, actually, for another, like a video project, ended up in a room and connected up the PR people of the film, and YouTube and basically said, Hey, we'll give you the feature film The documentary on YouTube for 48 hours and all you have to do is put on the front page and know that Yes, they did. It said that.
I can imagine you hijack the meeting is that so the funny thing is, yes, 21 or whatever hilarious thing is that back on, I wasn't now I can actually, I've got a photo. The reason I've got a photo is it was what it was the few times I was a community manager, the few times where I was sort of moved a little bit away from video doing this sort of thing. And I had bought from Bali, a, like tailored shirts. So I was wearing a tailored business shirt, I can assure stripe. It was a pinstripe shirt blue.
why I'm saying this and and I've had like a different colour. And I just remember just being in random parts of Sydney, just like taking like selfies. I'll have to find one posted today.
And yeah, so I just went into the meeting had no business being there because I literally wasn't hired by anyone I just like had seen the film on the US Netflix. Anyway, it was cool because it was like a like, it's just having conversations. Like
I am like my friends going to be on the cover of a of a like inside the newspaper over the weekend. And it's like Bry made it happen. Okay, how did you actually said I said to Bry yesterday, you appreciate this? Yeah. I just said, you speaking to all that. She's great at organising all his PR stuff. And she's working with our mate syphon Tate and hate Argonauts. I think so. It's a great product because like, you think he could you've got all these great contacts journos. One of them write something about the gronk squad about the daily talk show.
And so she was like a cow. Oh, a little pitch. Yeah, not even a pitch. She's just gonna like it's just like it's literally like an email. I used to get them. I remember getting just like an update of what's happening and then maybe that we might have wanted to talk about them on the radio show. That's the similar it's the reverse that reverse. Did you pay for your own flights up to Sydney to get Yeah, that's entrepreneurs. Yeah, to me, that's the thing. I've spent so much money my time
is like some people if I can spend a cent on shit we would have we would have a house together.
Thousands and thousands of dollars like going to them. Even when, like I yesterday I posted the photo of which is one of the things I love. I don't have that many things. Like I'm not an athletic guy. Not really good at sports. But one of the things that my identity very much attaches to is being the first for certain things and podcasting and if you saw TC Last night,
I posted a screengrab presentation slide it was notes actually there was an HTC
ML website Really? from 2005.
Nine it. It looks like our account has been hacked.
Posted one of those shooters on Josh
tagged in Facebook. Yeah. Inside podcasting. It's got the old old white with a tactile dial iPod I love right the tagline underneath. Okay, so it's just
a new technology taking the internet world by storm. Yeah. I loved it. So I think
Yeah, man, I love that shit. I love like
this. You can hang I guess. What's my point around it? I wanted to gloat that that was one thing. But the other thing is you can't there's so many people who are like Uber drivers who are like they're fucking, they're unhappy or they're doing there's nothing wrong being an Uber driver.
really true. Yeah, happy. We've caught a bunch of
everyone. I think we've got plenty
cameras and stuff so I think that the key reporting Yeah What are you doing? What are you doing? Tonight? It's like Look man, I've just got to watch this video of Dr. Nassif just so confused about what's going on in the world it's everywhere even getting involved in our Convo laughing
getting into all because it is one of those things where it's like they're not you haven't necessarily invited them into the conversation at all, but they've just become involved in a weekend banter and everyone's fucking talking in this that we're part of the board meeting.
shapes this company. Yeah, it's so funny, isn't it? video it's the whole there are people who was like yeah, I worked in Motorola in fucking 1987 Yeah, we had the first phone in our office. We had a guy who worked at the data centre for the bank says like the the security line where they keep all the information stores all your papers and shit. And he said he knew last night it was for Westpac, one of the big banks, and there's a data centre out in Glen lively that'll be
And he said the I said is what about hacked in hacked? He's like that it's not happening.
He says an internal if anyone gets hacked at these banks, internal network, no one's getting passes file. What's the coolest place? The big word?
said a good work and I made me same. legit real strong
you know the ones that are on 500%? Yeah, yeah, the IP packets aren't getting through the firewall. Yeah, yeah.
Anyway, so I was just gonna ask the coolest place that you've ever been in where you're like, this is gonna make a cool storey. What do you mean? Like, where have you been somewhere? Like, for me, I went to YouTube studio in LA. That was cool. Hey, you get into these joints like and they're not happening now. How do we do? How do you take the hood spur of the 19 year old or 20 year old? How did she get a meeting with us? Why can't we do that with our show? Well, we could
I guess that's the point like we just need to send more emails we've had fucking Dr. Nassif on the show we can make
these hats you're saying the
rhino job i mean i'm going to the wedding and grace
it's a very good point. I think that we could like you could 100% do more of that stuff more emails think about going to salon or whatever that's you know in the their PR person hooking us up and making it happen it's just like being around Yeah, I mean there's the thing is when you when you young and naive and have not much happening I found I created quite a few things. But then you don't have the foundation so you're not so you don't have the the business you don't have all the the actual solid foundations. So you make a wish so under leverage them. Yeah, this is I reckon this is why I was talking to Brian about it. Because I did this post and I was like, you know you and I've been talking about trip and all that sort of thing for the show going to LA and New York.
posted a photo on about New York and I was like, maybe I mentioned something like t so the fact that we've got something in the works for it's like, well you don't really and she's like very very supportive.
But she's also sees herself. She's more the realist. So she's like, like, you guys are just like, you got a lease you got all this sort of thing. You've got Mr. 97, full time, heaps of expenses. You You don't need to be spending money on travel. But my rebuttal to that or thought around it is it's like, never tell me not to spend money on credit.
For that little bit of that, I mean, well, I did I like there was a time in my life where I had 40 grand in credit card debt, paid it all off. Yeah, but 40 kept like, I remember going to San Francisco for Macworld. And literally had no actual money and was just using a cat like this was this was being 2012 2011 2012. And same time I'd like all of the fat Sick and Nearly Dead like
Going to YouTube or like it was, for me.
It made so much sense. But I guess part of it now is it's like, when I was doing that it wasn't raised money is what like you can make real silly decisions and be like, you know what, I can make this dumb decision, because it's only going to affect me and I own it and I pay off. But when it's this joint thing, the same with you with having a family, it's like, Okay, well, I can't just do even though I really believe in it. I need to consider all these other things to think about it. Like if you did, if you will, like okay, I don't have to be what is the irresponsible thing is a good question. Nice. Evan, what do you think is the irresponsible thing that you would do right now for the show? In regards to that, so we had a credit card? It's like, Okay, we've got $30,000 available on the credit card. It's almost like venture capital, right. You've got some cash. Yeah. And we have time
Mum can't tell you off. What would you do she let you stay at home?
Yeah, I think I think I think going going overseas and I guess interacting with I mean, because all the places like YouTube and stuff, all the connections to like, I guess the big players are I have to say it's a little bit like that. So I think I'm opening up those doors is a good idea. Wrong answer.
What do you think the right answer is? I think I probably would have said that. Let's go travelling.
I mean, other than creating great storeys, but is that what is your answer? No, no. That's what you would have, would have said it a while ago hasn't left the foreign country in how many years? He's never left the country. That's why he wants to go. I mean, Daddy, you want that's why he wants to go travelling. He wants to fly the nest, which makes complete sense. Yeah. But then there's also
I mean, you've you've got you've got you said you got 30 grand, so equally, vertically. Yeah. And so
I mean, the remainder could be just put to use around around the studio just sorting a few things. Yeah, it sounds like when someone's won a prize on like money on the radio and you ask them and that's always gonna go take my parents on a holiday and then I'm going to buy a car. So what about this? Fine, so I just feel like, I want to hear your dream. Let's go to Dr. Dre. There's a difference between dream and something that's a silly, be silly. But you think something that's silly. That will actually you think would change the complete outcome of what we're doing? Yeah, yeah.
You caressing the microphone.
What is nice, you got it bodies' chip off the old block. I got home and I mean put a blanket onto the couch and I just found myself is rubbing it and also feels real good. And then bowtie runs over the couch and just seemed just doing this
So cute. We're just both rubbing it together. That's funny. Anyway,
I think I had so you could probably use $30,000 to get this out with multi camera setup and have someone else help us and we go
but I think it is so there's the you literally I mean, travels easy thing to go with. We fucking did a trip when we had a quarter of the audience to go and interview Seth Godin. Does it does it change everything? Well, I don't know. 30 grand. I don't know if it's a long term. I think it's been 10 grand on extra tech equipment, and then another 10 grand on doing cool shit video and then the other 10 grand as a kitty to just go hard for an extended amount of time. I guess it's that's more sort of realistic, right? It's not even crazy money that we're talking but it's the thing of like, and we have that money sitting in the bank, but it's a thing like that. We need a fucking runway.
We need to make sure that if we don't have work in a month's time doesn't get the super. Yeah. So we're going to make sure that we don't go to jail. Okay, gotta pay that super people. Yeah, I know. But that isn't it interesting. Like it's the What is it? What's the answer for you?
So I reckon
it feels like part of it is needing to get everything, take everything else off the table for a month. So okay, we're not doing client stuff. And we are doing the daily talk show, and that's what we're doing. And then that is what we are
coming to work every day doing and so part of it is like, it is it is a bit like doing more, it's doing more guest stuff. It's probably to be honest as something in the Australians like even travelling, taking five grand and say we're going to spend five grand on domestic travel and just do
WY to Sydney to breezy Gold Coast to all those places book in five people on each one and spend it that way. Yeah, and then just make videos about creating a whole bunch of stuff. Yeah, it feels like it's going to happen, I guess. So what we've learned is sometimes it's about the constant show up opening the shop versus the drastic, drastic change. Like I think think about all the times we've done that in the past. I think it's got us to a certain point, but then it's like, Okay, what we're talking about is actually taking everything else off the table to grind really hard and just and commit and every hour of the day doing the thing doing more of the thing. What if you've got an audience I don't think we've ever done it when it's almost like
buying a camera. When you're just getting into photography, right spending a bunch of cash
on that and then TJ psyches top off we get that as a snippet
you feeling better you've cut this video that may stripping us shortly one of those
with your top off at least look better back there and I look back and you don't think you look good can actually feel what your stomach feels like without tensing don't end the hangar. It's gonna feel like a fucking stomach that's not tensed.
I didn't eat what does it feel like?
I'm just trying to do
it's interesting. Don't do it to me. Not really.
Not because I was watching the bachelor and they were doing this thing without putting their hands
or the Mad Yes, so like, I don't want some fuckin
MT. I think when for me when I
ripped it's like a more likely like, I don't like getting nude in front of people. I can't even like I can't be fired.
I don't but I'm not in as good a shape as I've been in the past and I remember when you just need to get your top off type of thing anyway back to it. I've actually got a photo of you with the top off Did you know that
screenshot somewhere? It's actually you were changing t shirts at the front of my old office I for whatever reason I just took phone I don't know why it's like you know security not literally literally
giving you the benefit that that security camera footage that was just taken by automatic
so yeah, you're back to it. They're doing it now when there's people around Yeah, so now we have people
I mean, if you know we're fucking harping on about those dudes that we saw Grant Cardone. The more this is, the thing is, the more that I can show me stuff, the more I think he's absolutely full shit. Yeah, and just like a real snake.
Like, in fact, he's one because what he's doing is selling
This like mindless
like God put your money in it and also the I think that it's a dangerous and then he selling something on top of that so he's priming you with Stop being so attached to money and also by the way, let me
guess yeah cash is trash just throw it at me cash is trash bit
the thing that does resonate is it's just like
do it like investing doing the stuff, which or the other thing is about like what do you what do you putting your dollars away for? What do you What's the bank gonna do get a small little interest, right? It's like
I guess the people that need to do that maybe the people that don't have something like a business to invest that money directly into that could 10 x it'll could multiply it. The bigger the business the more money you actually will have. And so that's our play right now play is invest in us invest in this business, because that's going to be our cash cow.
Not a superannuation fund? Well, yeah. Because when I feel like that sounds a little bit it sounds a little bit irresponsible, which is I think it's, we're more responsible than that. But I think that's what a lot of people are doing. Yeah. So what is the small business owners that it banking on the business working? Because what other option? And they're talking like you're talking like millions and millions of dollars, what do you think 97? Like, do you think, is this? Is this crazy? Can we access that server
servers to invest? He's got 30 grand in savings, which just takes
no, I think you have, you have to invest. You have to invest in the business. So it's it's hard like, like, obviously, you need to have a runway just in case but any, any additional funds, I don't know how much of a point there is in taking it out. You need to invest that money in the business, whether it's fitting at the studio or
having some time to just dedicate to the show and being sort of covered for that. That is
The more I guess, vote valuable investment. I mean, it's easier than just saving. The one thing about Grant Cardone that he would hate about us is he says only invest in things that have cash flow. Yeah. So, you know, as I understood that the investments were saying, and cash flow is no direct ROI at the moment. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So that's, that's but then this is why I love Grant Cardone, Gary Vee, you get the two polar opposites, Gary say, night, there's no ROI and content. But you don't have anything unless you're creating content. You're relevant. So the thing is, like we're doing what we love. One of the final thing I'd say on it is a mate of mine is struggled with weight over the years. I remember him telling me went to Vegas
maybe 10 years ago, like he's really struggled with weight. It's been the biggest issue of his life. And he went to Vegas didn't have the money to do a house.
copter flight. So I said, not going, I won't do it. He had his credit card, but didn't do it. And then anyway, he's like, he's put on a bunch of weight to the point where he's can't fucking go on helicopters. And so he was saying, it's like,
if he had, if he had his time again, he's like, you're there, do it. And I wonder.
I feel a little bit like that with some of this stuff, which is just like, it seems like there's a real irresponsible, yo lo, there's an irresponsible like, I'm going to spend money on consumer goods and things that are going to sort of make me feel better, versus spend money on things that are going to bring us forward. And I think that we're doing that anyway. Right? Yeah, we're in a fucking amazing studio with a lease and a full time employees and
Life a life of rental. Yeah, but a social rental. You're You're also invest, it's not even investing in the business. It's investing in fun and experience. Right. Like, it's sorry, this is what about, just really know because yeah, it's it's I mean, it's hard to think of this whole thing is a business so that money I guess it's not really irresponsible because it's in a way pushing the business forward but it's also, you know, having having a great time that's actually benefiting you and the people around us. Yeah. Which I think makes it harder. I think that because we have so much fun with our job. Yeah. It then to the blows a line. Yeah, if we were a printing business, you wouldn't fucking flinch at spending 100 grand on a printer because you need that to do business. But the idea of bad that, that we're an ally with Dr. That's Hey,
whenever he's going to his wedding that'd be some serious I listed as in Genesis. Anyway. Good chat. Yeah, good day. Final
second last weekend banter before three to do heads off. Yeah, we'll have to
we should get a cake or something. I've just eaten so much. We don't know. What do you want? What if it was wasn't a cake? What can we go into the fully man we can be pies me that's all I got just a meat pie. Maybe we can see how many meat pies he can smash before the for
the fully? Yeah, it is a nightmare if he throws up funny.
person in front of us. Oh, it's not gonna look any different as it's all the same Anyway, I'll do it. I'll do it. We'll see how many I can eat. I'm not sitting next to it. Easily 10 he could do from a personal brand point of view. How do you describe yourself
I can figuring I can eat a lot of food. Is that a personal brand value that you're trying to? It's not a personal brand value. It's just something that has become associated with me, like my friends know me for being able to eat a lot of food. And so that's always been the case. So when did this happen? Uh, more. So in college, we'd go out for sushi and like, we would do the all you can eat sushi. So you pay like 25 bucks. And you get a little sheet of paper and you check off However, what things you want and how many servings of it that you want. Yeah. And typically, but when we go when it's all like 10 or 12 of my friends as a group of us. Typically, each person just has one sheet. They order everything that they want. And then yeah, exactly, that's what I'm saying. And
we did it like my the most food that I've ever eaten was 22 courses of sushi. Yeah, solid. Yeah. I would like to say you do i'm sure has Korea. What's that? Well, you know what that means?
Like, fun Brazilian BBQ
where it's sort of like you flip over.
Yes. Or like green or red and then just keep bringing out more and more meat. Oh, yeah. What about you? I'm sure you could you could do like the spicy chicken wings like to say to those, like in Australia, is there any way? Yeah, I'm sure there's some place like around Chinatown or something. There has to be some growth. I know that we're doing more and more sort of stuff around brands.
But TTJTJTGIZG TGI Fridays very average food you know, like yeah, it's Yeah, it's standard. Americanized food. Yeah. But it's like burger like when you think about it's like an American sort of establishment you expect a certain type of burger but it's not very well it's hard in Australia. We've got the best of in Melbourne, especially best burgers. Third,
third wave. You've been he's been there.
benefit I've been
thinking about the other one that has a number. I think the number was the other one too. Yeah, yeah, that was good. I mean barbecue place in general so so you know so that's a that's a brand value you you'll find being the guy who waits. Yeah, I don't mind being the guy that can eat all the food we go through stages you were snapback guy now you're not was I? You were snapback. They said snack pack. Anyone else here snack pack? No, I heard I heard snap by the daily talk show.com if you had snack,
or just send an email. Yeah, that is what I feel like we got an email to begin an email with Greg rice. Oh, yeah, that was a lovely Mo. Give it a right morning gronk I just wanted to say a big thank you for yesterday's episode. I really enjoyed the chat around the dips in life and negative mindsets. It was fasting all episode by the way.
Okay, maybe it's the breath things. That's such a good troll, isn't it?
When your partner says, Oh, you fall back into breath. Now, I've never said that I really that's a good one.
Anyway, sorry, sorry. Sorry.
It was so normal. And I think whilst it is important to emphasise mental health, it is also nice to just have it as a part of conversation without it being exaggerated. I was also in a bit of a negative mindset yesterday. So I stopped and said five things I was grateful for when you spoke about it on the app, and it helped. So thank you. It's always loving the show, as always, can't wait for the fat Friday episode. That's nice, guys. Thank you. I wonder if it's like a moon cycles or something. There was a full moon this week was there really seriously? And that's why because everyone's been really busy. Yeah. I mean, Mason just blinked before and you know, when you're so tired that when it comes up before the other
for a second, I thought you were talking about moon shots.
cycles with Tommy's fighting not
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today talk show I need if you can you smell it to
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So anyone else might you tied up? It's like
nothing good happens at this point when you this tired so let's wrap it up. We'll see you tomorrow guys. Talk Show, Sean Thanks, Sean oxidise we'll see you guys soon.