#826 – Consumption, Media & The Tech Giants/
- August 19, 2020
We chat about morning and evening meditation, screen time, internet cafés, Matt D’Avella’s new course, Slow Growth, what’s happening with Fortnite, content ownership and how the tech giants control the media and consumption landscape.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
– Morning and evening meditation
– Nikki Glaser and screen time
– Travel and Internet cafés
– Matt D’Avella’s course, Slow Growth
– Apple, Google and Fortnite
– Content ownership, free speech and tech giants
– Uncharted territory
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It's the daily Talk Show Episode 826 happy Hump Day. gronk. So what's happening? What's going on? Look what much got my coffee didn't work, but Bree gave it to me. Thank you. Very appreciate it. Yeah. I had a coffee. Sorry I couldn't meditate this morning. I woke up, showered and then body was up, which isn't always great. But you know, you take you win some you lose some he slept all night in his own bed. So I was happy about it. But it was only five. You went to bed at about 730 went to sleep at about 830. And he or the other night. I got into bed with Jaime and Barney was in bed. And we're just about to start watching a little movie. And I said to me, did you put buddy's nappy on? And she's like, no, I thought you did. And I thought I had no. So I had to get up and go in. I'm just like, please don't please
I've done a PC self placed on a PC myself. And what time was it? It was like nine at that point like I've totally forgotten. No. So what happened? So what happened was, we got him showered before dinner. And I'm not gonna put a nappy on him before dinner because he still good ages before he goes to bed. And so he's in his pyjamas. So it looks like he's about to go to sleep. And so he finished his dinner and then I I tapped out and said, Amy, can you please do the, you know, did the date and she took him to bed. And then
that's how it just sort of slipped through never happened before. 20 is a parent like the things that you that you always stuff up and then there's some that like, I'm surprised that hasn't happened before. So I didn't even bring it up. He didn't say hey guys.
Not it was nothing but he he pushed himself and it was all good. We changed him put a towel under him and the bid wasn't actually that way. It all went on nice little pants. What is this? I was he pissed off
He didn't know he was still asleep. It's so cute. Like, it'd be like imagine if I came in to change your pants during the night and but you helped me but didn't get out like he pushes his hips out. So he lifts his bum up and then you can is helpful while he's just pretending to be asleep because you
know the kid very hard for kids to do that. But anyway, I had a coffee with Bodhi this morning we went out got one and went for a skateboard. And and then I did and then I meditated, but I was like, I can't tell if my because the stimulation from the coffee. I felt like my mind was more messy or I had just have a messy mind. And so some days I know that I my mind a bit more racy than others. Yeah. Isn't it funny how like, I slept well. You know, it just could just be various things, but you can't always tell
What your, what your head's gonna be like, did I think before though, were you sensing? Like, if you look there any, anything that happens the night before that would then lead to that not know because there's not really there wasn't many worries. It's just like, it's like if if anything, it's like you should it should be swayed. And so in the time that you know it should be like if it's hectic and you've got a million things to do, then you're like, Okay, I can connect the dots but sometimes it's just messy mind. And so, morning meditation versus afternoon meditation, all that stuff. Have you ever done like, a good round of doing light evenings or afternoon meditations are 100% my mind a bit messier in the evening? Like I just feel like it's, it's like had more stimulation, right? It's like it's it's processed more
It's processed more throughout the day. So it's like, you can feel the fatigue. And so the morning timing is great. I mean, it but then it's the interesting thing about the meditation practice I'm doing Sam Harris's waking up app is that you try what you're trying to create a separation from. Are you trying to not create such a separation between the formal practice and every moment of every of every minute? And so you're trying to not because I even feel like you can become attached to the time spent sitting there like, it's like, transfixed on Yeah, that's my 10 minutes. And so the, the, the benefit comes when it's short, do you do your formal practice, but then it's about how do you bleed that formal practice across the whole day and make a train experience it's trying for the rest of the day. Exactly. And if the day is getting
Because the thing is you can, you being annoyed in the practice in training isn't actually that hurtful to anyone or tea day or whatever. It's actually like, everything that happens after the meditation that matters, like Yes, exactly. And so and that's what there's words of encouragement at the end of each session that can be around the, you know,
take a moment at the point of transitioning between the tasks so it could be getting up from your desk to go get some water should can be a trigger point for you to become really mindful about your existence and your feeling and your state. And then sort of dropping some stuff because then you just get caught up and move into a sort of a snowball away from mindfulness. And so if you can sort of not have that happen, and stay a bit more present, it's you know, it is habit formation as well like what you're talking about, they talked about in tiny habits where it's
Like BJ Fogg talks about it. It's um
yeah, like trait like those transitional moments. I know, like this specific thing around closing your laptop and finishing work and like, I am shutting down, like going through a bit of a routine or process. Especially right now, if you're in Melbourne, or you're working from home, having a ritual that you do every single day, where it's like, go to the Apple logo, click shut down, close laptop, put keyboard on laptop, put it into the other room. Yeah, those things make a massive difference. Yeah. And so it's checking out for one thing, because then safe being in the work can get you to a point of feeling sort of anxious, and then that bleeds into everything else. So that kind of full stop at the end of the task to break this pattern, whatever A B, is probably Yeah, that's positive. So that's why the phones are so factor. Uh huh.
Because so I am I was listening to a podcast, Nikki Glaser Who? jack post, his podcast, Jackie Road Studios. He had her on the podcast a couple of weeks ago. Anyway, Nikki has a podcast. She's a comedian. She's had Netflix special. She's great. She's been doing daily like every weekday being doing a podcast during this weird time. It's fucking awesome. And yeah, but she was talking about this book, which you've probably heard about because you're on socials and you follow Joe Rogan. You across this book. I don't know what is it? So it's called an irresistible by guy named named Adam alter. And it actually came out in 2017. But I was listening to it last night, like the tagline of the book is why we can't or the subheading is out why we can't stop checking, scrolling, clicking and watching
exactly what we're doing. Yeah. And so, I guess I mean, so it's already just a couple of chapters in. Yeah, a lot of relevant stuff. Oh, yeah. And what is the connection for you? Is there
something that resonates?
Or everything he needs? You see, you see why it's so challenging
in this time, so I was thinking about, okay, they took about 2008.
The average phone time was like 18 minutes, and now it's like over two hours, okay.
But then I was thinking about
the problem is, I think that I'm using my phone for too many things. So it's funny Nikki was talking about in her podcast about she was getting she's got 600 plus thousand people on her Instagram. She gets back to like, a lot of DMS, like majority of dams. And she's sort of had this realisation. It's a very interesting Listen, actually.
Just enjoy. Her podcast is called you up. And why it's interesting is
it's very similar to sort of the format of one trick pony where it's a single person chatting like an individual chatting. And so you feel like you're sort of in the room having conversation. But Nikki is pretty unfiltered. So she was on antidepressants. And she Her hair was falling out. She thought that was the reason why. And so in the last few weeks, she has gone off antidepressants. And so you basically listening to an individual who is really fucking struggling about all this stuff, and yet it's very interesting. Anyway, she was just talking about, I think I'm gonna have to get off.
I like I'm not going to be able to respond to people on social media anymore. I just think that's, that's the thing. Yeah. I feel like I'm further along even though I have way smaller issues in that regard.
When it comes to, you know, I've got
2000 something on Instagram. But the the thing, the thing for me the next challenge is I do like iMessage I like text message I like texting people. It's the only way I'm staying connected with people. Yeah, well you're not texting random. That's the that is the one thing about text messages or messages unless you've somehow you're just playing you've got to a point you're so desperate you just talking in a random number and if it comes up as a blue bubble, feel like it's Game on. Let's say you say the issue where it's like, if you wanted to get rid of screen time, how do you do it without isolating yourself?
Yeah, man, it's very hard especially. I think it's the conundrum say when that book was written back then. I don't think there would have been as many people with profiles online or or
I think sorry 2008 i thought you know, so 2008 there was the study on the 18 minutes a day or whatever, are Yeah, so even back then if that's, that's sorry, what I was referencing 2008 like think about it wasn't as many people that had platforms like today there wasn't as many
social media outlets or there was but they now it's just easy to gain traction. I like to so 2008
the the iPhone 3g came out, and that was the first iPhone to ever come to Australia. So it's like, yeah, very, very early days, like I think iPhone September maybe of 2008 fact that i mean knew that at first I remember seeing my friend Rob had one and I was just blown away though sort of fat Bob Lee Won and had like a white back on the White Mantle silver back then.
To the original, so that never officially came to Australia. So you had to he got it. Yeah. It was like getting dates. And then yeah, yeah, my multimedia teacher had it. It was a bit of a Yeah, it was such a flashback that like this. Oh, you knew he had context in America in the land of the cry. And so I remember that, but I was in. I was in New Zealand, around that time, on my, you know, World Tour with the stripping troupe. And I remember I had like a stick How
was it? Was it 2000? Is it 2008? The iPhone 3g, or was it 2009? So I feel like I want to know if it's gonna piss me off otherwise, anyway. I just remember the night July 2008. It was Yes. Sorry. Yeah, I think I literally went around then. And I went to bed I just remember having like when you travel now you just take your fucking iPhone. You plug in a sim I remember having a piece of shit phone and I just bought a sim over there. Same same
Do but it wasn't thinking about data. I was just thinking about being able to text people. And that's not even that long ago really. And what I was and I spent a lot of time on my phone and I've thought
thought back on those times were like trying to look at now and then and he definitely like there was still what we do it. I mean, it was time spent in text message or thinking maybe more thinking back then just thinking about stuff. You know?
Yeah, I wonder if experiences on Hump Day replay just came out today. Jess was talking about her frustrations of when she was in Europe. She was in Europe, like straight out of high school. She was working in London. I forgot about that. It's a good story.
But she's pissed off because social media wasn't Instagram wasn't really a thing then. Yen so she's considering going back and posting all of the old
Photos almost like what we've done with BIG MEDIA COMPANY. Yeah.
To show people that we will want to call. Yeah, well, it's like, Yeah, I did want to travel. And I was like travelling once. Yeah, and I once travelled when there was no such thing as, or you weren't as tapped into Connect. Like, I remember using internet cafes, even in New Zealand, like even in Europe when I went in. I remember 2011 I reckon, yeah. 2010 2011 I was still over using internet cafes in Italy. Like that seems ridiculous. Now, enjoying the internet cafe thing. I missed anything I've ever been in an internet cafe. But I always you never have really, no, there's one. There's a few still remaining in Melbourne. And there's some big ones but then there's like, one on Brunswick street in Fitzroy. And it's dude it is. I took Bodie in there and I met when I when Bodie was young. I made this little video
On Instagram, and it was like, teaching Bodhi life lessons with Bodhi, I was like, and he was in a pram and I literally just walked past I was like, This is gonna be fun. I walked in, I was like, now this is what they call internet cafe when you're older, these will not be around. And so they're on their last legs. And libraries have become internet cafes. Yeah, I mean libraries, like you can get internet at libraries. Yeah, so that's like the it's a free version. It's that but then they even offer Wi Fi. I wonder what the computers are actually lock it at. I mean, you can go to the Apple Store, if you go to the Apple Store. And I do remember, I remember the
going to a hotel or wherever it isn't, it has the one computer. So I remember like going to New South Wales or whatever as a kid. And it's the one computer that you can go on and you're going to hotmail and someone else's logged in private because no one's got any fucking idea.
Like this is 2004 or whatever no one's got any consideration of our like my shit can get fucking hacked and so there's the accidentally left things logged in and because you need to fucking print something you know like yes hotel's name to print something. Yeah in easily the same even just the last time Amy and I went for our honeymoon before body was bought so like four years ago in Sorrento, Italy, there was the foyer computer that I jumped onto. But I mean that's where the the, the, the feel the feeling of being connected is like is like
at your base level. And so as soon as you're disconnected from the internet, I mean that's you you love a strong internet connection. It's one of your brand values. If when I think about Josh I think about at least 100 megabit up and down definitely automate more and so this is the thing is trying to work out.
Josh speed test jazz
I do, actually. My dad asked
for a screen grab of my speed test.
Yes, well, I sent it to him. And then two minutes later I
get a message back from him. And he's like, nods my now I wish it's my son's internet connection. So that is being fuckin sending it around to he's made. Oh, my god don't
like I was for some reason I was like, chuffed that that was proud that we had 100 up and down. Yay. Look, Josh he was a little fucking shit but my 18 presses my buddies when I fuckin Cinder and get work. Are we is it?
Yeah, it's funny. Did you write back and say Dad? Yeah, isn't it said Yeah. What would he say? All that Sorry. I'm a bit embarrassed about that.
Cuz I'm pretty sure it's just like, Can you send it? Because he's always
you know, for something I want to shut like he did sort of mentioned he wanted to show some what he said,
Oh no, I didn't even Oh, that's right. I was on a FaceTime with him at the time. And so he said, I wish it's actually my son's at his apartment. And it's Wi Fi.
And yeah, so obviously he's, yeah, I was talking to him at the time.
slights at YouTube slights that have to do a U turn send in another direction.
We need to give kudos where it's due. One of the best domain names solid none actually, you're the domain guy so I need to get your thoughts on it. Matt D. Avella, slow growth calm.
It's a great domain name. He's a great Divine Name and he now
owns it. And he's just launched these online course, which came out on the 18th. So yesterday, the site was beautiful, doesn't it? Oh, it's magnificent. I mean, floating derailleur at the like it is a
they've done a great job. They've done a great job. And I think he may have modelled the whole course off us because we're growing.
slow growth, slowed, writes slow growth. But I highly recommend you go check it out. If you've got an Instagram to slow growth, you can go there. Their first course is all around simple habits. Yeah. Which is, I guess what we're talking about the habit? Well, we're talking about the habits that we've formed without thinking which is the phone stuff the jump on the computer Ctrl T when you're in Chrome, and you type type Facebook and then you realise that you're fucking on Facebook? Yeah, that's a habit that I've got that I need to kick. And it's usually I quit out of it. I didn't even want to do that. It's like a take Well, this is what's great about this.
Deleting of the apps. But I think that the next version is it's trying to work out
what bits matter for your job. Like, did it ever when I retired from social media a couple of years ago, a year and a half ago? Did it ever impact the business? Do you think? What we'll do? No, no, I don't think so. If because if so, what you need to do, though, is take stock of where you're at now. So perspective, where are we now? Where were we back then? And so we have grown.
And that was a part of the journey. So if you'd gotten off for the whole time, you could probably see how be different but what you're saying is, it is literally what you think about it is going to be what's true for you. And so if you're living in a world of thinking it matters, and so you're in it thinking it and then if you get at and you think it doesn't matter, it's going to feel like it. It does because you're
Thinking that but then maybe you'll build up enough information, data after six months of not being on social media, but it's pretty painful, right? That's where people why people don't do it. Because if you have that mindset, you're most likely not going to do it. But if you could think it's not going to impact my business, because this, that and the other, and then stick at it. It's a more that's a more sort of easy on yourself and your mind approach? Well, because the thing is, too, is I think we spend so much time on the devices thinking we're doing the business stuff, but we rarely actually do it. So I think that if I was to get really specific and say, okay,
Thursdays, I'm going to download these apps, and I've blocked out two hours, and I'm going to post and I'm going to look at all the feeds I want to like do all of that in a really controlled time. And then delete I don't know if I've mentioned this before, but it would be cool to have a button that you could press that sort of like an onion
Box button and you click on it on your phone and it opens a vault of apps that are only available but actually they they removed from your phone and so when you click it yeah it redownload them surely surely someone's created that well I don't know how would you do it? Because it needs to be in the App Store
yeah be it'd be like a general four times What's happening? What's going on with fortnight so
there was there's other antitrust stuff that's been happening a bunch basically, Apple Google all of these companies becoming too big. I think it's epic. The company behind
fortnight. Epic it the name of the company is the name of like the gaming company or whatever. Yeah, they change. This is going back a week now. But they changed their
policy around how people could buy like the ynap
Credit type stuff. So if you want to buy the coin, so they reduce the price, and you think by 30% or something, and you could buy it from them through their through their app. The thing is,
in Apple's terms, terms and conditions, you can't do an in app purchase that isn't through the app store. So that's why I like my master class thing was a clusterfuck. Because it's like, I bought it through on my Apple TV, which means it's like an apple subscription, and then you have to deal with all of that. And so anyway, epic decided that, like, you can buy directly through us through the app. And then Apple obviously retaliates and says, Well, no, that's against the terms of service, and so they removed fortnight and we have to say that they've removed fortnight from the App Store.
the epic have then come out. And they have. So fortnight have released
all of this information about what Apple's doing, and basically suing them now. Wow. Or when if ever they got a case is that? Yes, I saw a bunch of people saying like
epic a fact like taking on Apple. But it's actually like, they really do have a place
to stand with this because like I remember Google
being sued in an anti trust case with them. I think it was either Android or chrome in general. And you could only search through it using Google. And so a bunch of the other companies are like, hey, that's anti competitive, you've got too much of a monopoly. Huge amounts of people use Chrome and so they will
We're forced to then provide the feature where you could change in that search bar, whoever you wanted. Yeah, from a search perspective. And so now I recommend that it's so good that epic is doing this because every time like the kick areas, every time someone does an app purchase within fortnight, something like 30% of that money goes to Apple. And so, obviously, epic is a huge game company so they can afford to do all of all of this sort of stuff. But think about the smaller apps think about, like, how many people are,
you know, impacted through having such a large chunk taken every single time? Yeah.
And so does that remove fortnight from people's computers? I guess I've Shut it. So if you've got if you've if you currently have I believe, I think Google has done the sachdev removed
The the app as well. So I think that where it currently stands, this was yesterday. They are
you cannot download the app from the App Store. You won't be able to get updates, but if you've already installed the app, you can still use it. Okay, actually, do you know who would be good to call screwed up? Because I mean, he's kids. I wonder if the kids have been to the fortnight so one that the kids will play him
let him use all the kids pay like I think he let's let's call scooter because I'm curious to see if he knows about this stuff.
home you still have podcast?
How you run Derek, please do not leave a message on here. I don't listen to them. Send me an SMS or use another media or try and think
That's hilarious. I did that one before. There's a lot of those. Yeah. What does that mean? Scary?
Amen. Oh, do you remember when you had your email on your voice message? I think that was good. No. I'm a bit long but I mean it's I'd prefer it more than just having left an email a voicemail saying I don't listen to these voicemails. Say who doesn't have a voicemail Jessica Lucas really producer as a producer? Surely you mean I thought that? Yeah, I mean but she posted for the first time on Instagram in a year yesterday scooters just come out of retirement. He's good to just try calling
I'm busy right now please don't leave
now this guy's done now. I feel like skirt has got like I'm sure he'll have something to say about this buddy. is I'm gonna put 10 bucks on your on the daily talk right now. How
Yeah, hello. Good thing that's good night
Do you know about the fortnight drama?
A little bit? I guess I get a bit of
Yeah. Oh just about to ring my niece is 21 today. Ah
time to wave outside a window. Oh, that's cute. Oh, that's cute. So this fortnight thing so apparently it's off the Apple App Store and things like that. Are you across any of this? Or you can say no if you don't know anything? Yes, yes, I am pretty upset because some of these sites
you play with phones. And that's not on there. He's got it. Apparently it's on my phone. And he jumped on it immediately to assess the situation and he came up with a it is not there.
It's very annoying. What has has a kid that is how 1112 now he's here.
12 has a 12 year old deal with this kind of setback in life. what's what's VOD
does affect people whatsoever. A couple of years. Mises has
said he's fine. Yeah.
Yeah. What about the Google thing? have you covered that one? What's the Google? Well, the only open?
Yeah, I did. I did read. I didn't go into it too much. I thought that their photo was a bit average. I thought, like from a life perspective, like this is an internal job. Oh, yeah. So they released an open letter, the managing director on behalf of Google Australia, male silver. Right. And I thought it was, I saw on Facebook, share the link to it and I thought, are their accounts been hacked? For sure, and they're posted some dodgy link, but now it is real. And it's an open letter to Australians and some of the key headlines are the Y or Z
Every day on Google is at risk from new regulations. And so is this the regulations around them being charged for like to pull people's content up? Is this like the new stuff? proposed law, the news media bargaining code would force us to provide you with a dramatically worse Google search and YouTube could lead to your data being handed over to big news businesses, and would put the free service you use at risk in Australia. And so there really
a there was a bit of an emotional roller coaster for me because number one, it was even though I can't stand that federal government, you know that and but, dude, I get to say that,
you know, what it's like, it's like, you know,
teasing your own uncle sort of thing.
So, and then it got to the point where it said the wording was a bit weird, I believe
interested to know what to someone a bit more a bit of you think that the wording, said something like, we will have to show them how to get that data? Because that's a weird wording.
To say we will have to give them the data instead we will show them how to get that. Yes. It's hard, isn't it? Because you've got to you've got Google who
even though their whole, you know, catch cry is, you know, do no evil or whatever it is. And then you've got sort of
mainstream media which from public sentiment point of view get a bad rap of it, like people don't necessarily
you know, if you think of
News Corp and all that sort of stuff, and Murdoch and like, you know, gets a bit of negativity around it. Yeah. I feel potentially like there's a middle ground like I think,
if we think about it, not a big
curious to see if you took the big news thing out of it. And you're looking at it like an Independent News level. I wonder what Google's doing in that regard? Because it sounds like they've got like, if they are making money through sending people to other people's content on also even serving some of that content through snippets and things like that, should the content creators or the people who make it, get some cash
will have some control over. It almost feels like a drug dealer. moaning about it being becoming legal. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, don't when you read it, if you start off going, Yeah, what's going on? What are the stupid government? What freedoms are they taking now and then as you read through,
all right, so your argument is between the
And I'm not used to just rubbish at the moment. You
said you moved to LA. But is this like are they making is putting us up as search results instead of businesses that pay us? Yeah. It was very hard to get on board and get
me Do you need like so screwed up? We're just talking about phone use and things like that. Like, is Google like, what do we need from Google? Google's doing everything for us? But like, TJ, do you think we need do we need? Do we need Google to be doing all that? Like, do we need Google to be looking out for news?
in terms of so because it's pushing around the curation of what you'll receive when you search and so they're in charge of obviously spitting out what they think, based on their workings out. And so I don't know I think this is where it falls into. People don't really they
have the experience so they won't know what's affecting them until it changes. And then you're like, this is rubbish. And so they're thinking from a product point of view. This is gonna make our product horrible because we've spent all this time trying to make it right for the consumer, but then they're also working out in that process how to make a fuckload of money. Yeah, I don't I mean, screw to how you getting in use right now?
Well, I've kind of gone off to my mental health and I just, I just watch YouTubes of
American progressive. Yeah, so you
i'm not i'm not after information. I'm just after you're getting some reassurance in America. Someone in America is
coming for the ABC on on the TV now. Now that we're home all the time. They watch free to live for so long. Yeah. I feel that this Google thing probably
Like not, I mean, all you have to do is make it like TV in the old days, provide the service, and then provide the ad in the space where the ads are. Yeah. So this is this is the problem in general, as well. So this is the this is the problem at the moment where Facebook, Twitter, are they a platform? Or are they you know, content creators, or curators or whatever it is, if you're a platform, there's legislation in the state which says, You are not responsible for what's on the platform. So if someone says something
racist or, or whatever it is, or if they say like from a freedom of speech point of view, they say anything, Facebook, Twitter, all of that sort of thing, not responsible. The problem is that what Twitter is doing, whilst it might have
grounds for like, I understand why they're doing it, so say for instance, it's like the factory
checker that they do. So it's like, they've done this with Trump a few times where it's like, get the real facts.
Is it Twitter's job? To be telling it like, I feel like Twitter should be fucking hands on even if Trump is throwing a heap of bullshit I think it's a dangerous thing to have a company making the call on whether to put back in fact checker on and and what their truth is versus like, I think that should just be a funnel of shit. And then us as consumers can deal with it. Well, we don't. We don't all thinkers and free thinkers as DC. Think about nuclear, nuclear weapons. Right at the very beginning of all that, number one, it's apparent the use of nuclear weapons in Japan, right. But there was no thought of disarmament at that stage is only when the bad guys got hold of that
thought about it, as the bad guys got hold of more of them, we were in secret, and it became more and more scary.
So you end up with an arms race of misinformation. And that's, that's my fear. The Twitter's like government this is the problem is though it's like Why? Why should companies like Twitter? Why should we be listening to them at an ethical level? When it's a it's a publicly listed company, that its purpose is to make money?
Well, exactly. So it has the media, there's been all these rules around television, gentlemen. It's like saying, you know, number 96, in the, in the 70s.
You know, that wasn't it was a private company that produced a great radio Grammy or whoever it was. They produced it, not out
what we put up on the channel
grumpy produces we just a platform sort of thing. You know what I mean? Like there was rules.
There always has been because the bad guys, the Lex Luthor was there, I think they can get hold of things and put everyone in danger. I'm not I'm definitely not saying that. Twitter should start getting all that involved willy nilly. Yeah, it just feels like it shouldn't be a public, it feels like it shouldn't. It shouldn't be something that happens. So if you look at it, there was a lot of criticism around when there were the
the terrorist stuff that was happening in New Zealand where the guy was filming and all of that sort of thing. And that was getting posted. It's like, if that was any broadcast company,
they would be taken off it though. Like they wouldn't exist, they would lose their licence and all that sort of thing. And so
yeah, I guess I guess the question.
It feels like you can either be in or out and I how you can sort of be
In between, I don't know how you can sort of have free speech to all this sort of stuff. But then, I mean, I'm all for not having shit on these platforms or like, you know, not having not being fucking having racists spewing their hate.
My concern is how do you let and this is the same thing with Google as it's like, I would love for other companies to come in. And I think that all of these companies like Google should be
some of their powers should be removed based on these antitrust laws, because otherwise they're going to be more powerful. They would have more information on this thing, then the fucking government does. Yeah, it's hard. It's a Brady. Well, that's the problem. Getting around the new stuff. Let me try it all parents are trying to get around screen time.
It's a bit like, it just reminds me of, you know, communism, this idea that
We can see the new thing and we know how we reckon it should be. With visionaries. We want Twitter to be just a funnel of shit. That is our problem to deal with. But the problem is, it's like communism, which is a great ideal doesn't work. You know why? Because we were ourselves. Yeah. Who do you decide? How do you decide then? So taking the Twitter example, how do you then decide? What's the the rules of engagement when it comes to take this post down? Keep this post up? what's considered if you're taking down content that's bullying? At what point do we think something is bullying versus just being a fair critique? That's too hard to decide that that that decision is going to be an evolution during the period of that evolution as to how to decide that
which will take a long time there's going to be a lot of
A lot of
a lot of damage, like number one who's the president united states who discovered that you could use Twitter to compete to win a presidential election? And and possibly keep it clarify. So there's a lot a lot of damage being done. Yeah. And that's, that's collateral damage. Because there's a new thing on board. It's just another virus.
Yeah, we come down to trying to get a cure.
Humans being left to the last decision. As you said, Josh, it's it's varying, there's people in different bubbles what's right, what's wrong, and so algorithms can't do it either. But the problem is that it is like the I think that the the broader issue is it's like,
yes, like globalisation has happened over time, but culturally, like the world is a very like it. countries have very different places. We all have different beliefs and we all have different
Sort of views on the world? And so if we have these global platforms, how can we, you know, what the US would find offensive is different to Australia or different to the Middle East? It's like, how can you possibly?
how can how can one company create some form of fucking structure to make sure that everyone's happy? I don't think they can. I mean, I don't know. We're gonna say the I think these things like the Google, writing this open letter, the people challenging these big corporations, it has to move it somewhere in the direction of working out what it all means because it's all so new. That the hard thing I think that what's tricky about all of these types, these types of sort of legislation or whatever you want to call it is it's like the Trojan horse all these other things into it, and so
The thing that I worry about is it's like we all talk top line, like, look how easy how easy it is for us to have a conversation without knowing really many facts at all. But that's what, that's what the majority of the public are doing every single day. And so
at top line, Google could easily put a case where it's like, it's gonna affect your search results, blah, blah, blah, and it's like, That's bad. But we don't we don't fucking know the internet like, and then it's from the new side, it could be around the, you know, having access to the information and the making sure that news organisations are actually going to be able to survive, not just the big ones, but the smaller ones as well. Oh, yeah. But no sign of no saving it he Google. Google is saying we pay the millions of dollars and send them billions of free clicks every year. It's like, it's literally both just saying the opposite thing. They're not giving you we're losing so much money. We're giving them so much money.
We are talking we have is YouTube as well.
Yes, the platform that a lot of Independent News, you know, even all the progresses, that's the platform that all the free thinkers decided to use. So Google that, you know, messing with that
screwed up I think if you start looking at that, too, then you can ask about everything like, how are they judging verified accounts. So if all of a sudden we want to put these platforms on a pedestal, then you can't just have some sort of fucking random gronk accepting people on a verified cat like there's a big thing at the moment where you can become verified if I've seen a couple of people do this where you create heaps of fake accounts that are you and so for Tommy, we would create 15 other Tommy jackets, posting pretending to be Tommy and then Tommy can put in a claim on Instagram and say hi
I'm I'm being sort of fuckin copied yeah I need to I need to be verified and that's that's fucking worked I've got my day sorted I've got my day so I'm gonna be 30 Tommy jacket accounts but anyway
it's good I thanks for thanks for chatting morning rant
just woke up seriously
flying fly big corporations can you imagine?
Imagine like a radio show or something just like having their political correspondent just fuck it. Yes. This code just calling him ask him what he thinks
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are interesting. I mean,
do you think those conversations are annoying for people? Or like, I mean, this is what I was thinking, isn't it? Like, we don't want to talk about this. And you mentioned top line you're hearing, it will affect people. I mean, if you just choose to not consume any of this, you'll be you'll experience the effect of it. And the other side, I don't think we're changing or moving the needle. But it's interesting to get across some of these things that, you know, there's businesses now making more money. We're at the point where there's businesses that are able to make them so much money from what they've created. And that's a new thing in the existence of humankind, like the Jeff Bezos of the world. And so it's bringing along all these issues. And for the fact that he can be an individual can be worth 100 and 40 billion
dollars. And then what that means down the chain for the companies built out of people involved in the power that's there. There's so much there's so many new problems that are arising that people are trying to sort out. And so now I think it's, you can't be completely removed from this stuff.
Well, you can be and and just ignorance is bliss, I guess in some respects, it is hate to get off Google.
you know, being teenagers always asking me to fuck it and put it on a duck duck guy? Well, it's like what, you know, Yahoo. It's like, do you want to set Yahoo is your, you know, official, you know, home thing. But
then there's all that then there's YouTube, and there's, it doesn't affect you until it affects you. And so, until you're a business that's suffering, because he can't make money because Google have syphoned all the cash away. It's like
But also D monetization stuff. It's like, what should we be allowing? So the thing is that what's interesting is we can look at the specific issues. But then there's also the broader perspective, which is, what the actual mechanism is or what this is allowing or what this sort of what the President is, and so
on a case by case basis, you could create a great case for this person should be de monetized look at the bad shit they're doing. But then there's a spectrum. And the issue is the spectrum. It's like, Okay, well, where does it stop? So with YouTube going to stop these people making money? What does that mean for
you know, all of this other type of content that might be in a grey area, or that might be talking about something that's important? Yeah. Anyway, and as I've always said, I'm not putting my hand up to make this hard decisions. You know, I'm not I'm not when I'm not putting my head up. We don't
To be president, I don't even know we don't. Yeah, we're not president of Google. We don't want that responsibility to be honest.
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