Botched Surgeon Dr. Paul Nassif

Tommy: The Daily Talk Show.

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show Weekend Banter, and this is our very first.

Tommy: We've got a bit of action happening. Dr. Nazif from the hit show Botched in the, uh, out of Beverly Hills. Welcome to the show, mate.

Dr.: Well, thanks guys, nice to meet both of you.

Josh: Uh, well, uh, welcome to, to Australia. How many times have you been to Australia?

Dr.: This is my, I think, 9th time.

Josh: Wow.

Tommy: And, and so you're out here. Um, what are you doing in the land down under?

Dr.: Well, I got here this morning and I'm on, uh, TVSN, the shopping channel, selling my incredible skincare line.

Josh: Amazing. I'm really curious about the shopping channel stuff. I watched a film, must be a couple of years ago, where it was all about the whole world of the shopping channel? What have you learned about sales doing the whole thing?

Dr.: Well, I mean, you know, the funny thing is it's very hard. I mean, it's easier to be on TV and perform surgery than it is to actually sell, because what you're doing, you're sitting there with each product and you're sitting there talking to everyone and getting them interested in doing it. I mean, overall it's fun. Um, because I love skincare, so it's an easy discussion for me. And, um, you know, I come out here because Botched is very popular. People love the show and they love my skincare. I've been doing it for a couple years, so— but it's kind of cool. It's different though.

Tommy: Dr. Nazif, we're of the school of Seth Godin, Malcolm Gladwell, Tim Ferriss, a lot of these, uh, US name, uh, intellectuals. And something that's— I've gravitated towards is the 10,000 10,000-hour rule where you master something, you know, you've only mastered something if you've done 10,000 hours. I could imagine you've done at least 10,000 hours in the practice.

Dr.: A lot more. Well, maybe 10,000 rhinoplasties. And actually, I remember reading that book too, especially— by the way, is it too loud with the ocean?

Josh: No, no, it's perfect, mate. Where are— can you explain to our listeners where are you right now? Beautiful.

Dr.: I'm actually walking in my scrubs since that's what I wear when I'm on TV for skincare. I'm walking on Dee Why Beach. Yeah. And I mean, you know, I'm on a beautiful podcast with you guys walking on the beach in Sydney, Australia. It can't get better.

Josh: Yeah, it's beautiful.

Dr.: And so the water— and the water's coming up and, and I'm looking for bull sharks.

Josh: Well, let us know. Just scream if you see one. I mean, on Tommy's point, the 10,000 hours, how much time are you spending in surgeries now versus doing things like TVSN or doing the sort of the non-surgery stuff on Botched?

Dr.: Well, surgery hours per week average, let me give it, let me see, 10, 20, about 25 hours a week in surgery.

Mason: Surgery.

Tommy: Well, those hours I could imagine you at your best, highly focused. There's no showing up feeling a bit down and, "Oh, I'm not really feeling it today," and still doing it. How do you go into these surgeries? Because if, you know, I've heard you talk about the things that can go wrong, so I could imagine it's quite high stress.

Dr.: Well, not anymore. I mean, if you look in hours, I've probably done maybe 20,000 hours. In surgery, and you always have to be hypervigilant. But am I nervous when I go in surgery? Absolutely not. You know, you can't be nervous. I mean, you just have to be aware and always be cautious. Um, and since I love surgery, it's almost like going in the shower and/or shaving. The routine is— however, You have to be able to drop of a second to be able to deal with the complication, or the patient's under anaesthesia and all of a sudden something happens with their blood pressure, their oxygenation, their heart. You gotta be able to handle that with the anesthesiologist. Or from the surgical side, if you see, for example, the skin of the nose or the face start turning purple, you know, obviously your, um, your, your, uh, tone down in the lower part of your body starts to increase. If you already know what I'm talking about.

Josh: Yeah.

Dr.: And you go, oh, oh crap, and you're gonna deal with it. But the more and more experience you have with anything, just like in life, you get used to it and be able to handle it.

Josh: Uh, Botched is my girlfriend's favourite show. I think you're up to season 6 at the moment. Is that, is that right?

Dr.: Yeah, we're in season 6, which is going to air. We have about 22 episodes coming out, and I don't know when it'll air in Sydney. Remember, Sydney is our third— or Australia is our third largest market for Botched. Am I talking too loud, by the way?

Josh: No, no, you're perfect, mate. Just relax. You're sounding great on the beach. So good.

Dr.: I'm walking all the way along the beach, you know, because I have to go back and go sell on TBSN shortly. But, um, no, Season 6, 22 episodes, and, uh, it's going strong.

Tommy: It's awesome. When it comes to money and cost of surgery, I know, you know, you're in Beverly Hills, you're at the higher end, you've got a great profile, you're great at what you do. Does higher cost plastic surgery equate to better?

Dr.: Well, you would hope so.

Tommy: Yeah, I think so.

Dr.: You know, you would hope I mean, for me, I would say that higher-end cost surgery for me associates with experience and hard revision cases. In other words, people come to me— yes, I do the first time, obviously I do anything with the face— but let's say you had 10 rhinoplasties and your nose is destroyed and you're at high risk. Obviously that's going to necessitate— you know, some more time in the operating room, a longer surgery, a more experienced surgeon, thus more expensive.

Tommy: I mean, you've probably seen the increase in people who are cosmetic surgeons that are getting, you know, a licence across a weekend to be able to do, you know, some things that a professional, a doctor, someone who spent many, many years doing. Has that changed since you've been in the game?

Dr.: No, that's still happening. That's why as a revision specialist, it still happens all the time. Doctors that aren't really qualified to do procedures or not trained or take a weekend course and they call themselves a cosmetic surgeon, um, it's, you know, it's dangerous. So, uh, there's still One of the most common things that's been scary is the increase of deaths in regards to doctors performing Brazilian butt lifts, you know, where they take fat and inject it into the buttocks.

Josh: Yeah, um, I, uh, I saw on your Instagram account you did it. You did a throwback. I could have sworn, uh, you say it was 1999. I feel like it was done last week looking at you right now. And I guess Part of it is you specialise in aesthetic, but am I right in saying like you're looking great at the moment? Have you lost weight? Do you have any secret thing that you're doing at the moment in regards to staying slim?

Dr.: Yeah, actually I'm down, I think I'm now at 175.

Josh: Amazing.

Dr.: I haven't been that low in about maybe college. So what I'm doing is a few things. Is, uh, I still intermittent fast 6 days a week. Yeah, I don't eat, I don't eat for 16 hours a day. I eat for those 8 hours. Then you have to kind of limit your calories a little bit, cutting out more of flour and sugar. But then in regards to exercise, as you get older, what's going to burn more calories and better for an older person is lifting— weightlifting but heavier weights so I'm lifting more heavier still doing some cardio yeah but then intermittent fasting and cutting down the sugar and flour do you find it hard because one of—

Josh: I love that idea and I hear a lot of great things about fasting oh whoa!

Dr.: Whoa! The ocean! Oh, that just got me! Yeah?

Josh: Wet feet. I hope you brought an extra pair of shoes.

Tommy: Is that a shark?

Josh: Okay, I'm sorry, it's dangerous here in Australia.

Dr.: Okay, what'd you say now?

Tommy: Uh, oh, look, well, around the fasting stuff. So if you were to implement fasting, I mean, if Josh started fasting 16 hours a day, our workload would decrease because he wouldn't be able to do it. He hasn't— blood sugars aren't right for the baby here. Well, going into a surgery though, like, if you start doing fasting? I mean, you'd feel hungry. Is it distracting you from doing what you're doing?

Dr.: I gotta tell you, in the beginning it was bothersome. Yeah, I got very weak in surgery a little bit. I'd have to sit down more and relax. And I will tell you that, um, after your body gets used to it, it stabilises your blood sugar more. You feel better. You don't have fluctuations, and it actually makes you feel— I mean, now my body, because I used to feel that way too, I've gotten used to it, and I tell you, it feels great. And now it feels great, but it took about a good month, and I've been doing this for about 2 years. And then I, um, go over here for one minute, and then I, uh, uh, I have breakfast on Sunday.

Josh: Yeah, treat yourself on Sunday for breakfast.

Tommy: Yeah, Sunday.

Josh: I mean, is the, um, the weights lifting and not eating as much— did you, did you start with not like the fasting and then incorporate the weights? Because that's what I'd be— you always hear if you want to gain muscle, you need to be having more calories to, to, to build the muscle.

Dr.: So another good point, um, I find myself getting more hungry now with gaining more muscle. Yeah, so you do remember the best way to lose weight besides in the kitchen by cutting your car— you're cutting your calories and carbs down— is when you start getting more muscle mass, you do have to increase your caloric intake. And also you gotta like, in the morning, even though I might blow it a little bit, but I just have, uh, about 20 grammes of protein and water. And because you got to feed the muscles a little bit. So you're right, there was that fine balance. I read an article, I think recently, that if you're trying to build muscle mass, fasting is really not the best thing to do. And plus, after you fast for a while, You do in the beginning, you start to drop weight, but that dropping weight only lasts for a little while. Then your body stabilises like anything else.

Tommy: Do you do any, uh, like hot saunas for extended period of times? Is there some other secret that you got, Doc?

Dr.: No. I mean, that's that whole infrared. I mean, I'm sure that's all great. Yeah. You know, um, no, I mean, the bottom line is stress still ruins you and we're all under a lot of stress.

Tommy: Uh, I mean, you just nearly got swept away by a wave. You're highly stressed, Doc.

Dr.: Yeah, but, but hey, you know, that was funny. That was actually, that was actually pretty damn good. Hope you guys make sure you use that, you know.

Josh: Yeah, we got it, um, you got it.

Dr.: But, but the point is, uh, let me get in the shade here for a minute. Yeah, um, I tell you, when you drop weight though, I feel better, more energy, my blood sugar is better, my blood pressure is down. And so visceral fat for a male is the killer.

Josh: Yeah, I mean, the, um, you're also preparing for a wedding. Congratulations, uh, in, in October. Uh, what's, what's been the preparation like? And I've been with my girlfriend for over 10 years. The idea of a wedding and have to having to sort out the invite list, uh, sort of puts me off. What's, what's your take on it?

Dr.: Um, I mean The way we did it to kind of like decrease the amount of people coming is we did it in Greece, or we are doing it in Greece.

Josh: Yeah, right.

Dr.: And the funny thing is I expected maybe 10, 15 people. We have about an 80% RSVP yes list.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah.

Dr.: So that didn't work. So, um, but this is my second time, so, you know, you just want to invite your close family friends and your family.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Uh, so Australia— take yourself back to that when you're in school, medicine school. I mean, when you're there, you're focused, you're wanting to become the doctor, the surgeon. You're not thinking about being a superstar on the telly, are you? Or like, or is that in your head back then?

Dr.: No, you're not. Um, not at all. I mean, this is kind of I'm gratuitous that this happened. I mean, and I started doing makeover shows years ago. I mean, it seemed fun. And so it just kind of started and then it continued. And then it went on that Housewives show, which was a, you know, mistake. Yeah, that led me into Botch though.

Josh: What was the mistake there? What was the experience like?

Dr.: You know, I don't know, being on a reality show, these Housewives shows, I mean, you know, you show more of your life. And you know, you can add more stress and that's what it did, you know, to my life. But you know, you already have a problem, it just makes it worse.

Josh: And so how long are you in Australia?

Dr.: I leave Monday morning.

Josh: What's the food? What's the deal? Are you gonna— are you fasting? Are you gonna have a break? Are you gonna enjoy some delicious food?

Dr.: I fasted today because I flew in and we just had lunch at like 1:30, and then I'm gonna go back now. As soon as I get off with you, I gotta go back to, um, TVSN, go on the show, go back to the hotel, do a quick hour workout, and then go eat light, and then that's it.

Tommy: Australians versus US, uh, in terms of what we're getting done cosmetically and the US, is it different?

Dr.: Are you noticing This is like California, the way it looks, the way the people are.

Tommy: Yeah.

Dr.: So when I come to Sydney, I think I'm in California.

Josh: Yeah. Have you been to Melbourne?

Dr.: That's nice. No, just nicer people. Yeah, not been to Melbourne. No.

Josh: Yeah, yeah. And, um, uh, so when, when you're on, on your flight, are you— I guess you're, you're flying business class or first class at this point, uh, is it tempting to eat the food? I know that I— we're having, having a time where I, I decided to, uh to fast, and then it just so happened that I used all my points to fly first class. It seems like a bit of a waste, don't you think?

Dr.: Well, the funny thing is I did not eat the beautiful breakfast they served. I flew on Virgin and it was great. I did eat the late dinner, which was pushing it, um, because the food looks so darn good. But I did.

Josh: Yeah.

Dr.: I didn't eat all of it, but I did not. I said, don't wake me up. And then I woke up anyway and they were serving all this food and I just said, nope, I'm not doing it.

Josh: Oh, that's good. Awesome.

Tommy: That is discipline.

E: That is—

Tommy: you're a highly disciplined man.

Josh: And before you go, the skincare, uh, what's the deal? What are you— what are you selling on TVSN? Tell us about it.

Dr.: You know, my whole line of NastavMD Dermaceuticals, and it's based on, you know, one, exfoliation and cleansing and detoxifying. Uh-oh, I lost you for a minute.

Tommy: Oh, there you are.

Dr.: I lost you.

Tommy: I thought it was a wave. Sorry, I was worried.

Dr.: I got hit by a bull shark. But, um, first part of everything is detoxifying, exfoliation, 2, hydration, 3, great active ingredients for specific parts of your face. And that's what the whole line's based out of, you know. And the women out here love it, and men— we're trying to get the men to start using it too. Oh, I lost you guys again.

Josh: That's all right, we can— oh yeah, it's just, uh, it's pausing there, but, uh, I think you're good.

Dr.: Hold on, let me—

Josh: all right, there we go.

Tommy: It's putting us on a 3-way with George Clooney. Jeez.

Dr.: Exactly.

Tommy: Hey, uh, who's, who's the most famous person going to your wedding, Doc?

Dr.: You know I can't say that. We'll just say it's some— there's, uh, some, you know, a few nice, uh, A-celebs. But remember, you know, most people fly from everywhere to come from here for destroyed tissue. Um, and that's what happens.

Josh: Yeah, sure, you know.

Dr.: But the point is, I have all kinds of fun customers.

Josh: Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: Hey, uh, we sometimes take this show on the road. We've, we've spent quite a bit of time in LA. So when we come, we're going to look you up and, um, and we'd love to come and meet you.

Josh: Maybe some injectables or something.

Dr.: That's right. Yeah, bring your show to LA and we'll do it, my friends.

Josh: Oh, awesome. Yeah, Dr. Nassif, mate, enjoy, uh, Australia. Uh, chat to you soon.

Dr.: Thanks, guys.

Josh: Thank you.

Tommy: See you, buddy. That's a different one. Yeah, I love it.

Josh: Do you like— we just get all fucking radio on it.

Tommy: I know. Well, you gotta— I feel so We today, we've been flying around. It's Weekend Banter. We've been, we've been run off our feet, but we wanted to get that in and we've made it happen.

Josh: What do you think about it? 97?

E: Oh, he's great.

Josh: Yeah.

Mason: Very charismatic.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: I love his walking along the beach.

Josh: Yeah.

Dr.: Yeah.

Tommy: Nearly got taken by a wave.

Josh: He was, it was super lovely. I reckon that I'm fascinated by the TVSN stuff.

Tommy: Well, the show you were talking about was, I think, with Emma Stone, and she plays the character that invented the mop. Yeah, Squeeze Mop. That was such a great film.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And so she made millions and millions of dollars in the early days of TV ads. I mean, yeah. So people, people are buying this shit. I mean, you're getting somebody at those late night times, and I'm sure it was bigger back in the day. But there's still, you know, some people there that are calling up and going, yep, I'll buy that. Fuck, Dr. Nazif is convincing. I'll buy that.

Josh: Well, I guess it's like that. It's there. Oh, it's just a product. It's a— it's just a way of selling it, I guess, which is interesting. Who did you— because this feels very much— I didn't— I haven't come from a radio on-air background.

Tommy: Oh yeah.

Josh: I feel like in Shepparton you would have had a few experiences like this.

Tommy: 100%. Jelly, Jerry Halliwell. She was a Spice Girl. Do you know who the Spice Girls are, Mr. 97?

Mason: Yeah, I don't know who Jerry Halliwell is.

Tommy: She's our Spice Girl.

Josh: Ginger Spice.

Tommy: Yeah. Anyway, the most famous pop group, female pop group on earth.

Josh: And so what was the, what were some of the guests? So you had her.

Tommy: Who else? Who else? Far out.

Josh: Like who's giving it? So, and how do you even, when you're in Shepparton.

Tommy: We had Tim O'Matic about 50 times.

Josh: Really? In studio ever?

Tommy: No, never. This is the thing, no one ever came to Shepparton.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So it was a bit annoying, but we got some good ones. I think I just, I pulled some strings and asked some people like Jules Lund. I think, you know, we got on with some, some good publicists, but that's that publicist guy. I don't even know how we've got Dr. Nazif on the show.

Josh: So I don't completely understand it either.

Tommy: I just appeared and the screen was there.

Josh: Are you surprised that it's worked? Like, did it actually happen? Yeah. Like the fact that he just sort of answered and started talking. Talking.

Tommy: No, but that's it.

Josh: It feels pretty hilarious.

Tommy: It feels completely unnatural because it is. And so that's— I think this is the amazing moment of blending that style with a podcast, which is long form.

Josh: Well, yeah, we've done it for Weekend Banter. Do you think, just as a bit of— this is inside baseball— do you think that we would do more interviews like that? Like, well, it feels like it's very much an interview at this point. Rather than the conversation.

Tommy: I mean, he's my uncle, but no, he's not. He's not. No, but I think you end up— no, but it's just saying that I was pretending like he's my best mate.

Josh: He's like a family FaceTime. Well, it did feel like— I felt like I was on Cameo, to be honest. I reckon he's definitely on Cameo.

Tommy: Can you look it up, Mr. 97?

Josh: See if Dr.

Tommy: Nassif is on Cameo, and then we'll use a Cameo to get him to then give us a shout out. Say, boys, when you're I just wanted to, you know what I did? I wanted to lock it down that he said it on camera. Yeah, but we can catch up with him when we're in Beverly Hills because it's— I wanted to talk to him. We don't, I mean, we don't have that. We didn't have much time with him. It's an interesting existence living in Beverly Hills. Like if you've ever been there, it's so amazing. Like I, when I won that TV presenting workshop. Can you turn your mic down? You bloody tapping over there.

Josh: I don't mind it. It sounds like it just shows that he's watching.

Tommy: Well, it sounds like we're big, important.

Josh: People. Just typewriters?

Tommy: No, I've got this footage that I shot because I was there doing, um, the presenting workshop for a week, and we did some piece to cameras on Beverly— on, um, what's it, Beverly— in Beverly Hills, the main street where all the stripper shops are. Yeah. And, um, this surgeon in his scrubs, and I should have asked him— fuck, see, this is the problem. I wanted to ask—

Josh: we have his number. Oh, we can just give him a text.

Tommy: Hey mate, just gonna ask you one more thing. There's a guy that plays, you know, croquet. It looks like a golf club, but it's a big wooden club and a big fat ball. Anyway, he runs up and down in Beverly Hills playing this, running, you know, past Prada. No, no, no. I think he's a surgeon that does it like in between surgeries. So he's just like staying focused.

Josh: Interesting thing about the Beverly Hills logo, registered trademark.

Dr.: Yeah.

Josh: So you literally like if you were to do a, if we were to do a travel video, We literally wouldn't be able to show the sign without first getting permission.

Tommy: I mean, we're pretty— I mean, so many people are loose. Like, how do you accept tourism as a thing and the evolution of cameras and smartphones?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And have that rule? It seems a bit backwards when it's like, maybe show the sign so you can bring people, bring people in. And I mean, you need bloody— if you're using tripods over there, you can't be filming the street. They're fucking onto it. Yeah, but it's the land of glitz and glamour. I mean, I think he lives in Beverly Hills.

Josh: Yeah, Doc.

Tommy: So it's, I mean, I'm happy to stay at his place if he lets us. Mr. O7, you can take the bungalow.

Mason: Great.

Josh: Has he got a bungalow? Pool room? Yeah, I'm sure.

Tommy: Most people have pool rooms.

Josh: I mean, I was surprised at how many hours that he was doing actually still doing surgery. And crazy, 25 hours and intermittent fasting. Like I'm worried about fucking an edit, you know, let alone cutting an artery or whatever.

Tommy: The reality is we're working 25 hours over here a week. And that's how a lot of the time, exactly, you end up putting in like, they're serious contact hours, right? You can't fuck up. That's like us, I don't even know, I mean, it's us holding the camera for 25 hours. That's the equivalent. Then we can even slack off a bit because no one's gonna die. Yeah, you know, and so he can't fucking slack off.

Josh: Even though it's an aesthetic thing, it's so important because if you like, you're still dealing with actual people.

Tommy: He's a super high performer.

Josh: Yeah. Exactly, that's the thing. Like, that's why I was curious about the weight loss stuff, because he's just really— he's not like necessarily an expert, but he's a doctor who's spent many, many years studying.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And he's obviously like, you can tell that he geeks out on it all.

Tommy: Um, I reckon we send him the snippet of him nearly getting swept away.

Josh: I reckon he loved it.

Tommy: I drop it on his Insta for sure. Yeah, get the branding in there. Dr. Nazif, thanks, buddy.

Josh: 3D Dill. Yeah. What's going on, mate? It's your final days.

E: Yeah, it's coming. It's getting near to the end of it now. Thinking about how I'm going to deal with this flight home.

Josh: Really? Is that what you're worried about?

Tommy: I mean, the flight's the actually relaxing bit. I think it's the time when you can't contact the earth. You're up above it.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And you got free alcohol. Yeah. And food on tap. Like, get up, get some nuts, you know, it's fucking awesome. Watch all the movies.

Josh: I love it. Like, I reckon, I think it's a North American thing, like the, uh, people not liking to travel, but I love like a long flight sitting, stuck in audiobooks. You could like, there's some seriously long audiobooks that you could get through the whole thing.

E: Yeah, no, I'm like, I'm looking forward to just that time to detach kind of.

Tommy: My concern is you going back to uni on Tuesday or something.

E: Yeah, well, no, I get back, I get back Tuesday and I'm in. I start, I start school basically a week.

Josh: So you got a week.

E: I move into school 3 days after I get back home.

Tommy: That's it. And so go back to the camp, like, near campus.

E: Yeah.

Josh: And so what's the, um, uh, what have you been organising behind the scenes in regards to preparing yourself to get back?

Tommy: He wrote book 2, didn't he?

Josh: No, I figured it out.

E: Written 4, actually. Um, no, I've had to apply for a job in school. Like, so I'm working as a peer tutor again. I did it last year in my third year.

Josh: Do you want a video reference or something? Can we give you a video reference right now?

E: Yeah, go for it.

Josh: Yeah, just watch the podcast. Yeah, what do you need us to say?

E: Say that I'm an amazing sketcher and that you should pay me more than what they currently pay me.

Josh: Would they? I don't know if the reference— Yeah, I feel like that's outside our jurisdiction. We can just say, hi, it's Josh and Tommy from the Daily Talk Show. G'day. This is a video reference for Dylan Torreville. He is a fantastic tutor. We've had heaps of students coming through here and he's always giving them a hand.

Tommy: He even did this behind us, this logo. Don't let him near a minibar. That's for another day to discuss, but definitely pay more money than you are.

Josh: Yeah, because we know that.

E: Awesome.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Yeah.

E: Like, I've been sorting that out, just getting all the applications across, sorting out what I need to bring back to school. To get my thesis proposals written up, which I haven't done.

Josh: But what's a, what's a thesis proposal?

E: Minimum 150 words, maximum 200 words defining less than a blog post. Yeah. Defining my thesis problem. And I've got to do like 10 to 15 of those.

Josh: I've got one. You don't know what it is. There's a problem for you. I mean, what, like, what is an example of the problem? Um, and it was 97. I'm tired. Shut the fuck up. Yeah.

E: No, it just, it just sort of clicked. An example of a thesis problem is you have to answer like your who, what, where, and why of why you actually want to pursue this as a valid thesis thing, because it's going to be an 8-month project, right? So you can't pick something that's super simple that you can solve in 3 weeks and then it's like, what the hell are you going to do for the rest of the time?

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, seeing a few big babies that haven't gone to university and, and what we're doing? What's— has it— I would feel like if I was in university and I was near the end and I was hanging out with people like us, I'd be wanting out.

E: It's made me think, it's made me consider not going back.

Josh: Go back.

Dr.: I'm going.

Tommy: You've got to go back.

E: I'm going back. I've already paid the money to go back. But if I hadn't paid the money, I would be less inclined to go back and finish and just start.

Josh: And so then you have how many weeks of school?

E: Oh geez, 32, I think it is.

Tommy: Wow. Okay, so 10, another year.

E: Yeah, it's, it's a full 8 months.

Tommy: I see why you were thinking about quitting.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought it's like a little bit that you have to do. You still got a lot of work to do.

E: I've got 2 4-month semesters.

Josh: Okay, and then do they give you the final semester to try and sort your shit out with like what you're going to do in the real world?

E: No, we have to finish our thesis.

Tommy: It's crazy. I mean, that's the thing, just like, yeah, how do you make money free? I made them free at the end and they're like, that's what everyone asks.

Josh: Us is like how we make money. But I mean, well, that's why I'm working as a tutor, right?

E: Because it allows me to still do school. I basically just get paid to sit in a classroom, sit and do my own work. I made close to $5,000 last year doing homework.

Josh: Yeah, but $5,000, $5,000, a nightmare.

Tommy: Yeah, for me, I would, I would have to get paid so much money to do any homework. I didn't do any in school.

Josh: Yeah. And so, um, do you feel the pressure? Like, what is the date that you think like thesis is over, tutor money's done.

E: Uh, it'll probably be April, April and May of next year where I'll be like, oh, I'll be— I'll have graduated school, I'll have my degree, thesis will be done, school will be done, and I'll basically be trying to figure out what I'm going to do from then on.

Josh: We'll have you back.

Tommy: Yeah, we'll have it there.

E: I'll come back.

Josh: All right, perfect. All right, well, there we have it. There's— is that official job offer?

Tommy: No, no, no, no, not just yet. Not just yet. Mr. 97, could you imagine going back to uni?

Mason: No chance.

Tommy: You won't?

Mason: No, no.

Josh: It's—

Tommy: we're not giving this kid the $2,000 use it or lose it education fund. Big media company definitely wouldn't use it.

Mason: No, I mean, it just, it just feels too, I guess, rigid and impractical. Like in terms of what we're doing, all the stuff that I've learned and picked up has just been through observing what you guys do, or like learning on the go and having to, um, sort of adjust and adapt on the fly. So I think that sort of like rote learning, yeah, it's just— I don't— yeah, it's, it's too impractical, I guess, for the whole creative sort of space that I want to be in.

Tommy: You're a hands-on guy.

Josh: Yeah. Well, there's a— it's funny that there's an industry that is colleges and universities Where there's like, you can literally finish school and then become a tutor or whatever, or become a lecturer. And like, you can be an academic. You could spend like, there is something. I was saying it the other day when we were in Geelong, like, oh, the college, college town, like the university town. There is something interesting about that community. And like, you had negative ideas of school or you had a negative experience, but There's some people who like flourished in school and enjoyed the whole like, I'm going to go to the library. And were you like that? Were you like, but it was fun to go to the library. Yeah.

Mason: Year 12, like a little bit just to get work done. But it was more, I mean, I wouldn't call it fun.

Tommy: I think what you're saying though is, you know, 3D Deal finishing uni, he has to break the mould of that. Yeah. Because the real world, it's very different. To getting your routine, to get your schoolwork done, to do a bit of part-time work, it then becomes, no, I need a full-time job to make a career for myself.

E: Which is why this experience has been so beneficial. Like, it's been getting an insight into the working industry without the pressure of necessarily— like, without the pressure of that this job is my like the end-all be-all. If I fuck up this job, it's like, it's— then I'm gonna have to go out and find another one. It's like, it's only a 4-month thing where it's not that it's a long commitment, it's still a commitment in the short period of time, but I have, I have something to go back to after that.

Tommy: You see why he treated the minibar like he did? That attitude fucking helped.

Dr.: YOLO.

Tommy: Uh, I'm out.

Josh: And so do you think that, uh, college, uh, prepares you for a job rather than for working for yourself?

E: I think it depends on what you're in college for ultimately. Like, going for industrial product design, it has definitely optimized— it optimises students for working in a studio environment.

Josh: What does that mean?

E: Working for a design firm where you're amongst dozens of other people that are creative directors, graphic designers, other product designers, colorists, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And they all, you all kind of work as a collective whole and you get, say, maybe 1/12 of the total piece of the pie, so to speak, as an analogy. Like you get 1/12 of the contribution. As— but then when, like, that's part of a bigger company, and then you don't really see your individual part of it. Like, we've done sponsored, um, projects and competitions in school for, like, toy companies and stuff where we had to design a toy for them, and then we had to go and present it, present it to them.

Josh: Like, that's playing into that industrial job thing of, like, getting someone to pick yourself.

Tommy: —on the line.

Josh: Sorry, getting the picky.

Tommy: You got different bits, you know, you're doing this stage, that stage, that stage, and then it comes out the other end.

Josh: Well, they're priming you for that. I mean, could you imagine a business partnership? Is that something like— do they teach you any skills?

E: Well, we have in our third year, which I just finished up, we have a course called Entrepreneurship, and it's another 4-month course. It's 3 hours a week. It's like 120-odd hours by the end of the semester. And you're supposed— it basically runs you through as if you were your own entrepreneur in school.

Tommy: One of the, um, units is how to create dat— uh, I'm tired. How to create dat passive income. But it, but it—

E: that's, that's their idea of what they want to do with the course, but they don't do it nearly successfully enough.

Josh: So what is it? What is the course that you did? The course?

E: Yeah, I took the course. So what is a mandatory course for this for the program.

Josh: And so 3 hours a week? Yeah. What the fuck can you do in 3 hours a week? 3 hours a week is like, I don't know, that's like half a day of my Instagram usage.

Tommy: Yeah. Personally, you're being very—

E: Personally, I found it like a waste of time. It's like, why are we sitting here thinking and talking about entrepreneurship and watching YouTube videos? Watching The Social Network?

Josh: Yeah. Trying to hope that some of it—

E: When we could just go out and do it ourselves.

Josh: Well, what is it then? So explain that.

Tommy: What is it?

E: There's this like online thing called Etsy.

Josh: Apparently it's big in Australia.

E: Yeah, so what we were supposed to do is create a small product that we could hand manufacture ourselves, given the tools and the shop that we have at school, and market it and sell it through Etsy. Actually don't mind that. Which, which in essence sounds like a pretty decent idea. Yeah, did you just get your fucking—

Josh: whip your mum and get her making the beanies?

E: Is that how— no, we made these little wooden toy truck things that had like 6 pieces that you could interchange. So it's, it's meant for kids like 2 to 3. Bodhi would have loved it.

Josh: Yeah, but I couldn't bring it over. Let's be honest, Bodhi ain't on Etsy. Yeah, no, I get that.

Tommy: So maybe what these universities are doing is they're the catalyst for people with entrepreneurial spirit within them to see that and just fucking go, oh, that's, that's mine. I'm gonna find something.

Josh: I'm gonna take my own journey. Yeah, like, I don't like— I guess that's part of it too, which is like What's the, uh, what is the real world? Is this the real world? I don't know if this is like— this is a fucking joke of a real world, isn't it? Yeah, don't you think? I guess you'd ask anyone. Yeah, this isn't— but this is not real world. What's real world? What do we think? Nice. What do you think real world is? Collins Street.

Tommy: Yeah, just business.

Josh: Real—

Mason: yeah, real, real, real world is, is corporate CBD work, just sort of rocking up 9 to 5 building sites.

Josh: Yeah, construction. Yeah, well, ah mate, they fucking build apartments. What else do you want? Yeah, yeah.

Mason: I mean, when you compare that to this.

Tommy: Yeah, I know, that's why, that's why I feel like it's so funny. The labour we're doing is like labor. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But when you, when you class—

Josh: I mean, felt these hands. Are they still soft?

Tommy: Yeah, they're clammy and soft. They're a bit clammy.

Josh: They've been in my— It's because you're tired.

Tommy: Mine are clammy as well. Yeah.

Josh: I told 3D Dill that I felt like I had jet lag, which it's, uh, they use the opportunity.

Tommy: I started talking and forgot what I was saying.

Josh: Yeah, as soon as I started, but literally like we went out to lunch and, uh, that was one of the first times I think when you're in a comfortable group you can do it, but just like, guys, I'm just gonna— is it all good if I just scroll through my phone? Yeah, like, yeah, it's all cool. But then it was almost like a way of me like then gaining, like, thinking like, what can I talk about? What is it? I guess, um, what's going on here? Oh yeah, Instagram. Miley Cyrus. Maybe I'll mention Miley Cyrus.

Tommy: You did actually bring that up.

Josh: So guys, hear about Miley Cyrus. I don't care about— okay, I won't do that again. Just Spotify, just got a, I just got a push notification. Oh yeah, Lover, the new album from Taylor Swift, is here.

Mason: Oh, I got that push notification on the iPhone.

Josh: Really? I wonder what, uh, yeah, you think about these deals, like for instance Spotify, you're— so how about this? I reckon this is pretty cool. Uh, in 2011, when I was working on the film Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead, the documentary, it's a community manager, I organised a meeting with YouTube, which is Google, flew to Sydney for another thing actually, for another like a video project, ended up in a room and connected up the PR people of the film and YouTube and basically said, hey, we'll give you the feature film, the documentary on YouTube for 48 hours, and all you have to do is put it on your front page. And I was like, yes. And they did it. Who said that? Did you say it?

Tommy: I can imagine you hijacked the meeting. So the funny thing is, yeah, I was 21 or whatever. Hilarious thing is that back on, I wasn't—

Josh: nah, I, I can actually— I've got a photo. The reason I've got a photo is it was, it was the few times I was a community manager There's a few times where I was— had sort of moved a little bit away from video doing this sort of thing, and I had bought from Bali a, um, like tailored shirts. So I was wearing a tailored business shirt. I can picture it, stripes. It was a pinstripe shirt, blue one. I'm seeing this, and, and I've, uh, it had like a different color, and I just remember just being in random parts of Sydney just like taking like selfies. I'll have to find one and post it today. Yeah, definitely. Please. And yeah, so I just went into the meeting, had no business being there because I literally wasn't hired by anyone. I just like had seen the film on the US Netflix. Anyway, it was cool because it was like, oh, like it's just having conversations. Like, oh yeah, like my friend's going to be on the COVID of a, like inside the newspaper over the weekend. And it's like, Bree made it happen. It's like, hey, how did you— I literally said to Bree yesterday, you'll appreciate this. Yeah, I just said, you're speaking to all that— she's great at organising all this PR stuff. Oh yeah. And she's working with our mate Cyan Tade and Hey Tiger and all sorts of things. So it's a great product. But I was like, do you think you could— you've got all these great contacts, journos. Why don't they write something about the Gronk Squad, about the daily talk show? And so she was like, okay, I'll put together a little pitch. Yeah, not even a pitch, she's just going to like— it's just really— it's literally like emails. This is like— I used to to get them.

Tommy: I remember getting— it was just like an update of what's happening, and then maybe that we might have wanted to talk about them on the radio show. So it's the similar— it's the river, it's just that reverse. Did you pay for your own flights up to Sydney to get— yeah, I did. Yeah, that's entrepreneurial spirit.

Josh: I mean, that's the thing, I've spent so much money in my time. And the thing is, like, some people won't fucking spend a cent on shit.

Tommy: We would have— we would have a house together.

Josh: Yeah, thousands and thousands of dollars, like, going to, um, Even when, like, I, uh, yesterday I posted the photo of— which is one of the things I love. I don't have that many things, like, I'm not an athletic guy, not really good at sports, but one of the things that my identity very much attaches to is being the first for certain things. And podcasting, I don't know if you saw— did you see last night? No, it wasn't, uh, I posted a, uh, a screengrab presentation slide. It was— no, it's actually— that was an HTML website. Oh, really?, from 2005 on my Year 9 IT.

Tommy: It looks like our account has been hacked. Yeah, and someone's posted one of those shoes.

Josh: This is on Josh Jackson.

Tommy: This is on my personal. Tagged in Facebook. Yeah, inside podcasting, and it's got the old, old white with the tactile dials iPod.

Josh: I love it. Read the tagline underneath. Okay, so just next to it.

Tommy: Oh, a new technology taking the internet world by storm. Yeah, I loved it.

Josh: And so I think, yeah, I mean, I love that shit. I love like, uh, there's been— you can't hang, I guess. What's my point around it? I wanted to gloat, that was one thing. But the other thing is you can't— there's so many people who are like Uber drivers who, or like, they're fucking— they're unhappy, or they're doing— there's nothing wrong being an Uber driver.

Tommy: We've had some really chirpy ones like, how happy— we've caught a bunch of them this week.

Josh: How happy was everyone? I think we've got cameras and stuff, so they think that they're like, you reporting? Yeah, yeah. What are you doing? What are you doing?

Tommy: Is this going to be tonight?

Josh: It's like, look, mate, I've just got to watch this video of Dr. Nassif. And they're just so confused about what's going on.

Tommy: And some of them were even getting involved in our convo. Oh yeah, laughing into our jokes.

Josh: Just, yeah, getting into it. Well, because it is one of those things where it's like they're not you haven't necessarily invited them into the conversation. Not at all. But they've just become involved in a weekend banter and everyone's fucking talking.

Tommy: And they were part of the board meeting. Yeah, they've helped shape this company.

Josh: Yeah, it's so funny, isn't it? But yeah, it's the whole— there are people who it's like, yeah, I worked in Motorola in fucking 1987, you know, and we had the first phone in our office.

Tommy: We had that guy who worked at the data centre for the banks. There was like the security, like where they keep all the information, so it stores all your passwords and shit. And he said he wanted— LastPass? No, it was for Westpac or one of the big banks. And there's a data centre out in Glen Waverley.

Mason: That'd be locked down. Oh, you said it's locked down.

Tommy: And he said the— I said, what about hacked? You get hacked? He's like, nah, it's not happening. It's like, it's an internal— he says it's an internal— if anyone gets hacked at these banks, it's the internal network. No one's getting past these firewalls.

Josh: What's the, um, coolest place?

Tommy: That's a big word. Yeah, said a good word and it made me seem legit.

Josh: Real tech. What'd you say? Just dropped it.

Tommy: Oh, just firewalls. Yeah, firewall, you know, the walls that are on fire.

Josh: No, that's 100%.

Mason: Yeah, yeah, the IP packets aren't getting through the firewall.

Josh: Yeah, yeah. Anyway, uh, so I was just gonna ask the coolest place that you've ever been in where you're like, this is gonna make a cool story. What do you mean? Like, where have you been somewhere Like, uh, for me, I went to, um, YouTube Studio in, um, LA. That was cool.

Tommy: How are you getting into these joints, like, and they're not happening now? How do we do that? How do you take the chutzpah of the 19-year-old or 20-year-old?

Mason: How did she get a meeting with YouTube and get on the homepage? Why can't we do that with our show?

Josh: Well, we could. I guess that's the point. Like, we just need to send more emails. We've had fucking Dr. Nassif on the show. We can make anything.

Tommy: Yeah, and we're staying in his house. You'll stay in the bungalow.

Josh: I'm getting a little fucking rhino job.

Tommy: I mean, I'm kind of going to the wedding in Greece.

Josh: Uh, no, but it's a very good point. I think that we could, like, you could 100% do more of that stuff. More emails. Think about going to Salona or whatever, that's, you know, indie, um, their PR person hooking us up and making it happen. It's just like being around.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, there's— the thing is, when you, when you're young and naive and have not much happening, I found I, I created quite a few things but then you don't have the foundation. So you're not— so you don't have the, the, the business network. You don't have all the, like, the actual solid foundations.

Josh: So you make a few— we're so underleveraged then. Yeah, this is— I reckon this is why I was talking to Bree about it, because I did this post and I was like, you know, you and I have been talking about a trip and all that sort of thing, uh, for the show, going to LA, New York. Posted a photo on, uh, about New York, and I was like, oh, maybe I'll mention something like tease to the fact that we've got something in the works. And Bree's like, well, you don't really. And she's like very, very supportive. But she also sees herself, she's more the realist. So she's like, you guys are just like, you've got a lease, you've got all this sort of thing. You've got Mr. 97 full-time, heaps of expenses. You don't need to be spending money on travel. But my rebuttal to that or thought around it is it's like, never tell me not to spend money on travel.

Tommy: I will credit card the fuck out of this.

Josh: Well, there's a little bit of that. I mean, when I was a kid, I did. Like, there was a time in my life where I had $40,000 in credit card debt. Paid it all off. Yeah, but I had $40,000. Like, I remember going to San Francisco for Macworld and, uh, literally had no actual money and was just using a card. Like, this was— this would be 2012, 2011, 2012. And, um, at the same time, it's like all of the Fat Sick and Nearly Dead, like going to YouTube, or like it was For me, uh, it made so much sense. But I guess part of it now is it's like when I was doing that, it wasn't Bree's money as well. Like, you can make real silly decisions and be like, you know what, I can make this dumb decision because it's only going to affect me and I own it and I pay off. But when it's this joint thing, the same with you with having a family, it's like, okay, well, I can't just do— even though I really believe in it, I need to consider all these other things. But think about it like if you did, if you were like, okay, I don't have to be— what is the irresponsible thing? Here's a good question. Nice. Evan, what do you think is the irresponsible thing that you would do right now for the show in regards to— so we had a credit card. It's like, okay, we've got $30,000 available on the credit card. It's almost like venture capital, right? You've got some cash. Yeah. And we have time. And Mum can't tell you off, what would you do?

Tommy: She'll let you stay at home.

Mason: Uh, yeah, I think, I think, I think going, going overseas and I guess interacting with— I mean, because all, all the places like YouTube and stuff, all the connections to like, I guess, the big players are overseas a little bit like that. So I think, um, opening up those doors is a good idea. Wrong answer.

Josh: What do you think the right answer is?

Tommy: Uh, I think I probably would have said that. Let's go traveling. Um, I mean, other than creating great stories.

Josh: Is that what— is that your answer? No, no, that's what you would have said.

Tommy: I would have said it a while ago.

Josh: He hasn't left the fucking country in how many years?

Tommy: I mean, he's never left the country. He wants to go— oh yeah, mummy and daddy. You want— that's why he wants to go traveling. He wants to fly the nest, which makes complete sense.

Mason: Yeah, but then there's also I mean, you've got, you've got, you said you got $30 grand. So hypothetically. Hypothetically. Yeah. And so, I mean, the remainder could be, I don't know, just put to use around, around the studio, just sorting a few things out.

Josh: This sounds like when someone's fucking won a prize on like money on the radio and you ask them and it's always, oh, I'm going to go take my parents on a holiday and then I'm going to buy a car.

Tommy: So what about this?

Josh: It's fine, but I just feel like I want to hear your dream. Let's go, dream. Oh, dream, dream.

Tommy: There's a difference between dream and something that's probably silly.

Josh: Be silly. Um, but you think something that's silly that will actually, you think, would change the complete outcome of what we're doing?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah.

Josh: Um, why are you caressing the microphone like that?

Tommy: Literally, what is nice? I tell you, Bodhi's a chip off the old block. I got home and Amy had put a blanket onto the couch and I just found myself just rubbing it and I was like, feels real good. And then Bodhi runs over the couch and I just see him just doing this.

Josh: I was like, feels good, doesn't it? So cute, we're just both rubbing it together.

Tommy: That's funny. Um, anyway, I think I— so you could probably use $30,000 to kit this out with multi-camera set up and have someone else help us and we go ridiculously far. But I think it is.

Josh: So there's the— well, you literally—

Tommy: I mean, that's the thing, travel's the easy thing to go with. We fucking did a trip when we had a quarter of the audience to go and interview Seth Godin. Does it, does it change everything? I don't know. 30 grand? I don't know if it's long term. I think you could spend 10 grand on extra tech equipment and then another 10 grand on doing cool shit for video and then the other $10,000 as a kitty to just go hard for an extended amount of time. I guess that's more sort of realistic, right?

Josh: It's not even crazy money that we're talking, but it's the thing of like, and we have that money sitting in the bank, but it's a thing like that we need a fucking runway. We need to make sure that if we don't have work in a month's time, Mason doesn't get his super.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: So we've got to make sure that we don't go to jail.

Tommy: And so, yeah, you've got to pay that super, people.

Josh: Yeah. I know, but that— isn't it interesting? Like, it's the—

Tommy: what is it? What's the answer for you?

Josh: Um, so I reckon it feels like, uh, part of it is needing to get everything, um, take everything else off the table for a month, say, okay, we're not doing client stuff and we are doing the daily talk show, and that's what we're doing. And then that is what we are coming to work every day doing. And so part of it is like, it is, it is a bit like doing more. It's doing more guest stuff. It's probably, to be honest, there's something in the Australians, like even traveling, taking $5,000 and say we're going to spend $5,000 on domestic travel and just do WA, Do Sydney, do Brizzy, Gold Coast, do all those places, book in 5 people on each one and spend it that way.

Tommy: And then, yeah, and then just make videos about other stuff.

Josh: Yeah, creating a bunch of stuff. Yeah, it feels like it's going to happen, I guess.

Tommy: So what we've learned is sometimes it's about the constant show up, opening the shop versus the drastic, drastic change. Like, I think, think about all the times we've done that in the past. I think it's got us to a certain point, but then it's like, okay, what we're talking about is actually taking everything else off the table to grind really hard and, and just, and commit, and every hour of the day doing the thing, doing more of the thing.

Josh: What if you've got an audience? I don't think we've ever done it when it's almost like, um, buying a camera when you're just getting into photography, right? Spending a bunch of cash on that. And then TJ's taking his top off. Can we get that as a snippet? Are you feeling better?

Tommy: You've got these videos of me stripping.

Josh: You want one of those with your top off?

Tommy: At least look better back then.

Josh: I look fucking— You don't think you look good? Can I actually feel what your stomach feels like without tensing? Don't tense. But hang on.

Tommy: It's going to feel like a fucking stomach that's not tensed. Okay, he really caressed that, didn't he? What does it feel like?

Josh: I'm just trying to feel— get off me! Get off it! It's like, um, it's interesting. Do you want to do it to me? Not really. You can, I don't mind. No, I don't need to, because I was watching, um, The Bachelor and they were doing this thing where they were like putting their hands with all the mud on, all the mud. Yeah, I was just sort of like, I don't want someone fucking Don't touch my fucking tit.

Tommy: I think when you— for me, when I've been ripped, it's like I'm more likely to— like, I don't like getting nude in front of people. Like, I don't even— like, I can't be fucked. I don't— but I'm not in as good a shape as I've been in the past. And I remember when you just fucking—

Josh: and you choose to get your top off type of thing. Anyway, back to it. I've actually got a photo of you with your top off. Did you know that? You screenshot it from somewhere? No, no, it's actually, um, you were changing t-shirts out the front of my old office, and for whatever reason I just took photos. I don't know why. It's just like, I'm not security, not on the security, literally on my iPhone.

Tommy: Giving you the benefit of the doubt. Security camera, right? So footage that was just taken by automatics. So yeah, you're back, back to it. They're doing it now when there's people around.

Josh: Yeah, so now we have people I mean, if you, um, I know we're fucking harping on about those dudes that we saw, Grant Cardone. The more— how about this? The thing is, the more that I consume his stuff, the more I think he's absolutely full of shit. Yeah. And just like a real snake, uh, like, fuck, he's— because what he's doing is selling this like mindless, uh, like, oh, just put your money in it and all that sort of thing. I think that it's a dangerous and then he's selling something on top of that. So he's priming you with stop being self-attached to your money.

Mason: And also, by the way, throw it at me.

Josh: Throw it at me. Cash is trash. Just throw it at me. Cash is trash. But the thing that does resonate is it's just like doing, like investing, doing the stuff.

Tommy: Well, yeah, his whole thing is about like, what are you putting your dollars away for? What's the bank going to do? Get a small little interest rate. It's like, I guess the people that need to do that are maybe the people that don't have something like a business to invest that money directly into that could 10x it or could multiply it. The bigger the business, the more money you actually will have. And so that's our play, right? Our play is invest in us, invest in this business because that's going to be our cash cow, not our superannuation fund. Well, yeah.

Josh: Because I feel like that sounds a little bit—

Tommy: it sounds a little bit irresponsible, which is— I think it's— we're more responsible than that. But I think that's what a lot of people are doing.

Josh: Yeah. So what is the argument?

Tommy: Small business owners that are banking on the business working because what other option?

Josh: And they're talking like— you're talking like millions and millions of dollars. What do you think, 97? Like, do you think— is this, uh, is this crazy?

Tommy: Can we access that server money? Yeah, yeah.

Josh: Can we use your server? Do you want to invest? He's got $30 grand in savings. We'll just take some of your savings.

Mason: No, I think you have, you have to invest. You have to invest in the business. So it's, it's hard. Like, like obviously you need to have a runway just in case, but any, any additional funds, I don't know how much of a point there is in taking it out. You need to invest that money in the business, whether it's fitting out the studio or having some time to just dedicate to the show. And being sort of covered for that, that is the more, I guess, valuable investment. I mean, it's easier than just saving.

Tommy: The one thing about Grant Cardone that he would hate about us, yeah, is he says only invest in things that have cash flow. Yeah, yeah. So it's, you know, exactly. Yeah. And so the, the investments we're saying aren't cash flow.

Mason: There's no direct ROI from it at the moment.

Tommy: Yeah. Exactly. Yeah, so that's, that's— but then this is why I love Grant Cardone, um, Gary Vee. You get the two polar opposites. Gary say, mate, there's no ROI in content, but you don't have anything unless you're creating content. You're irrelevant.

Josh: So the thing is, like, we're doing what we love. One of the final things I would say on it is, uh, a mate of mine who's struggled with weight over the years, I remember him telling me, went to Vegas maybe 10 years ago. Like, he's really struggled with weight. It's been the biggest issue of his life. And he went to Vegas, didn't have the money to do a helicopter flight, so he said, not going, I won't do it. He had his credit card but didn't do it. And then anyway, he's like, he's put on a bunch of weight to the point where he can't fucking go on helicopters. And so he was saying, it's like If he had— if he had his time again, he's like, you're there, do it. And I wonder, um, I feel a little bit like that with some of this stuff, which is just like, it seems like there's a real irresponsible YOLO. There's an irresponsible, like, I'm gonna spend money on consumer goods and things that are gonna sort of make me feel better versus spend money on things that are going to bring us forward. And I think that we're doing that anyway, right? We're in a fucking amazing studio with a lease and a full-time employee. Who's Elise?

Tommy: And yeah, I want to know who Elise is. Does she work for us? No. Yeah, but it's— I thought we did.

Josh: At least a lease, a rental. Yeah, but it's a commercial rental.

Mason: You're also invest— it's not even investing in the business, it's investing in fun and experience, right?

Josh: Like, it's Sorry, this is my water bottle.

Mason: Just rolling. Um, no, because yeah, it's, it's, I mean, it's hard to think of this whole thing as a business. So that money, I guess it's not really irresponsible because it's in a way pushing the business forward, but it's also, you know, having, having a great time that's actually benefiting you and the people around you.

Josh: Yeah, which I think makes it harder. I think that because we have so much fun with our job, yeah, it then sort of blows a line. Yeah. If we were a printing business, you wouldn't fucking flinch at spending $100 grand on a printer because you need that to do business. But the idea of, but that we're in LA with Dr. Nassif, you know, he's winning, guys. Exactly. Greased. George, how are you, mate? Um, I thought you meant, uh, Colin Burrows. Yeah.

Tommy: I wonder who he's going to his wedding. There'd be some serious A-listers. As in Dr.

Josh: Narcissus. All right, uh, anyway, good chat. Yeah, good day. Uh, final, uh, second last weekend banter before, uh, 3 to Deal heads off. Yeah, we'll have to, um, uh, we should get a cake or something. I've just eaten so much. We don't need it. What do you want? What if it wasn't a cake? What could we—

Tommy: we're going to the footy, mate. We can have meat pies.

E: Meat pies. That's all I got is just a meat pie.

Tommy: Maybe we can see how many meat pies he can smash before the footy.

Josh: I just worry about—

Tommy: not at the footy.

Mason: Yeah, no, but that's a nightmare if he throws up.

Tommy: No, it's funny.

Josh: No, there's mincemeat everywhere. It'd be so gross, wouldn't it?

Mason: The person in front of us.

E: Oh, it's not going to look any different. It's all going to look the same anyway. No, I'll do it. I'll— we'll see how many I can eat.

Mason: I'm not sitting next to it. Easily 10.

Josh: He could do. You want to be that from a personal brand point of view? How do you describe yourself?

E: 3D Joe? I can still figuring out—

Josh: I can eat a lot of food. Is that a personal brand value that you're trying to—

E: it's not a personal brand value, it's just something that has become associated with me. Like, my friends know me for being able to eat a lot of food.

Josh: And so that's always been the case? So when did this happen?

E: Uh, more so in college. We'd go out for sushi and like, we would do the all-you-can-eat sushi So you pay like $25 and you get a little sheet of paper and you cheque off however, what things you want and how many servings of it that you want. Yeah. And typically when we go, when it's all like 10 or 12 of my friends as a group of us, typically each person just has one sheet. They order everything that they want. Well, they're soft. And then, yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying. And, uh, We did it, and I— my— the most food that I've ever eaten was 22 courses of sushi. Yeah, solid.

Josh: Yeah. I would like to see you do, um, churrascaria.

E: What's that? I don't even know what that means.

Josh: Like, um, it's like Brazilian barbecue, um, where it's sort of like you flip over, uh, yes, or like green or red, and they just keep bringing out more and more meat. Yum cha.

Tommy: What about yum cha?

Mason: You could, you could do like the spicy, uh, chicken wings. I'd like to see you do those.

Josh: Where? Like in Australia? Is there anywhere?

Mason: Yeah, I'm sure there's someplace like around Chinatown or something. There has to be some great—

Josh: I know that we're doing more and more sort of stuff around brands, uh, but TGI Fridays, very average food.

E: You don't like it? Yeah, it's, yeah, it's, it's standard Americanized food.

Josh: Yeah, but it's like burger, like, because when you think about it, it's like an American sort of establishment, you expect a certain type of burger, but it's not very—

Tommy: it's hard in Australia. We've got the best of— in Melbourne especially, best burgers.

Josh: You would smash Third Wave. He's been there. He hasn't been to Third Wave. Have I been there?

Tommy: No, I don't even know what that is. I'm thinking about the other one that has the number. I think third, the number.

E: What's the other one? 3121. Yeah, yeah, that was good.

Josh: I mean, barbecue place in general. So, um, anyway, so you're not— so that's a brand value.

E: You're fine being the guy who eats Yeah, I don't mind being the guy that can eat all the food.

Tommy: We go through stages. You were a Snapback guy, now you're not.

Josh: Was I?

Tommy: You're a Snapback.

Josh: Oh, I think you said snack pack. Anyone else hear snack pack?

Mason: No, I heard, I heard snap.

Josh: Hi@thedailytalkshow.com if you heard snack pack.

Tommy: Or did you send an email outside of that?

Josh: Oh yeah, well, I feel like we got an email. Did we get any email?

Tommy: We got an email from Grace.

Josh: Yeah, Grace. Oh yeah, that was a lovely email. Uh, give it a read. Morning, Gronks.

Mason: Just wanted to say a big thank you for yesterday's episode. I really enjoyed the chat around the dips in life and negative mindsets.

Josh: It was farting all episode, by the way.

Tommy: No way, no way, not at all.

Josh: Okay, maybe it's just breath stinks. That's such a good troll, isn't it? But yeah, when your partner says, oh, you fart, I know you're fucking—

Tommy: it's your breath. No, I've never said that.

Josh: Oh really? That's a good one. Anyway, sorry, sorry, Grace. Sorry, beautiful words.

Mason: Are you okay? It was so normal, and I think whilst it is important to emphasise mental health, it is also nice to just have it as a part of conversation without it being exaggerated. I was also in a bit of a negative mindset yesterday, so I stopped and said 5 things I was grateful for when you spoke about it on the app. And it helped, so thank you. Loving the show as always, can't wait for the Fat Friday episode.

Josh: That's nice, Grace, thank you. I wonder if it's the fucking moon cycles or something.

Tommy: There was a full moon this week.

Josh: Was it really? Seriously big. I reckon that's why, because everyone's been feeling a bit—

Tommy: I mean, Mason just blinked before, and you know when you're so tired that one eye comes up before the other?

Mason: I mean, I thought you were— for a second I thought you were talking about moon cycles with Tommy's farting, not Is that a thing?

Tommy: Well, I don't know. Nah, this isn't— it's not a thing, dude.

Josh: Okay, well, we'll talk about our affair. It's a daily talk show.

Tommy: I need some air.

Josh: If you, uh— can you smell it too? Whatever it smells like, it's probably— it's your top lip.

Tommy: You've shat yourself.

Josh: Maybe there's something in the fridge. Um, if you've enjoyed the show, we really appreciate when you, uh, do an Instagram story. You know, I'm going to start shouting people out. Carly Finlay, thanks for the, uh, Instagram story. Who else? Uh, Russ Keys, uh, Goldie Guts, uh, always, uh, a big supporter on the Insta stories. Uh, any, any other?

Tommy: It's all happening, it's all happening.

Josh: We'll see you tomorrow. Uh, say anyone else, mate?

Tommy: You're tired. It's like nothing good happens at this point when you're this tired. So let's wrap it up. We'll see you tomorrow, guys. It's been the Daily Talk Show.

Josh: Sean, thanks, Sean. That's the Daily Talk Show. See you guys. See ya.