The Official End Of The Week

Tommy: The Daily Talk Show. It's a Daily Talk Show episode 428.

Josh: What's going on, guys? What's happening?

Tommy: Happy start to the week. Weekend banter.

Josh: Happy end of the week. It's, um, you know, it's been a great week.

Tommy: We've got mail tomorrow.

Josh: We do have mail. A bit of a life update before I get to the mail. Uh, finally locked in a suburban house.

Tommy: That's exciting.

Josh: Well, we did move into the burbs episode. I even got a few people messaging me saying, oh, it'd be great you know, moving out. Anyway, locked it in. And my mate lives in the same suburb and I messaged him and told him the news and he said, how close are you? He said, I've just moved out. No, he didn't. No, he said, oh, we're literally halfway is Krispy Kreme.

Tommy: Sorry, I meant how close are you as friends?

Josh: A good friend. But I'm now telling you our geographical distance between the two. Yeah. Halfway is Krispy Kreme. And so he's probably like a kilometre away. Which is great. But anyway, he said he knows all the great places. He says, mate, I'll take you around. There's a Greek cake shop that's open really late, which appeals to me, mate. He fucking knows the way to my heart.

Tommy: Bad habits though, I guess.

Josh: Yeah, I know.

Tommy: But is that the start of the suburban lifestyle? I don't know, mate.

Josh: You're from the 'burbs and I saw photos of you when you were in the 'burbs.

Tommy: Well, yeah, not everyone goes that way, but yeah, there are establishments open that would promote cake eating after 9 PM.

Josh: Sometimes I like to nick out for a, like, a bit of a late night. When I say late night, after 9, just a little session on the computer doing some emails. And it's nice when there's cafes and shit. I mean, New York City, you've got shit open 24 hours. The places that I have been to doing that are Macca's, because they do have their cafe range, you know, it's like a, you can you can have coffee, you don't have to have a fucking burger. Anyway, so I've got that going on, and the other bit is I'm on TikTok.

Tommy: Oh really? Congratulations.

Josh: Thanks, mate. Just, um, I've got, I got 1,000, got 1,400 views on one of my videos, a few comments. I don't know who these kids are though.

Tommy: Yeah, what did, so what did you do? What was the post? Yeah, what was it?

Josh: So I made all these videos probably years ago, so when I was at Shepparton and sort of in that mindset of creating small little 15-second— back when Instagram actually only let you put up 15-second videos. So it forced all these people to create really short micro content. And so I did it and I've got them all in my phone still. And so I've just, I'm just posting one of those a day. I did. Yeah. And so, and they work.

Tommy: Do you still have the Snapchat YouTube channel?

Josh: I don't even know if I have the password to the Snapchat YouTube channel.

Tommy: It's probably still up there though.

Mason: It's definitely up there.

Tommy: So is that annoying for you? Actually, I feel like going down a rabbit hole. I want to see how different you were then versus now.

Josh: Definitely. I mean, I was just giving it a severe crack, which it makes— it makes a big crack. It's better than just giving it a little bit of a crack.

Tommy: Severe crack.

Josh: Severe crack. Like the crack had— was quite— it opened up, you know, there's a big crack. And so I'm on TikTok. So I mean, if I blow up on TikTok, so be it, you know. I might—

Tommy: it'd be nice if the Daily Talk Show blew up on TikTok, but I understand with all your old content.

Josh: Yeah, I just, I just thought, why not just post it out there? Yeah, get it done. So I might become too big for this show.

Tommy: As he sits his voice in a cheap advice bottle. There's a, there's an envelope.

Josh: Oh yeah, I'll get to that.

Tommy: And it says ARN, which is the big, one of the big radio networks.

Josh: Top 3.

Tommy: Top 3 in Australia. And so I'm curious, what does it say on the back?

Josh: Says the address, 3 Byfield Street, North Ryde. Absolute shithouse location. They've been wanting to get out of there. I went and had a few meetings there. It is so far away. It's so far. Costs to get from Bondi there in tolls, like $25. Oscar Gordon, who's been on the show, worked there. He'd drive out there every single morning. The only good thing about doing the morning show is that you're driving at 4 AM. There's no traffic and driving home, but it's really expensive in a bad location. But they still get people going out there. All the big celebs.

Tommy: Well, I was wondering if it was Southern Cross Austereo, I would assume that it was them giving us a job offer for Today FM Breakfast.

Josh: Or somehow they've given us a redundancy and we didn't even work there. Yes, they seem to just give people handouts.

Tommy: And so what is it?

Josh: Okay. Oh, yeah.

Tommy: So it's a big face.

Josh: It's Mitch. Mitch Till Midnight.

Tommy: And so how did we get this amazing headshot? Can I have a look at that headshot?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So Mitch is definitely— I wonder if that's one of the official— if you were in radio They sort of plan a day where everyone in the business gets a headshot.

Josh: I mean, yeah, I think, I think people are moving away from sort of those. I mean, we are definitely from this. No background. It's just a human floating.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: You know, with like bright clothes on because I think it does give the illusion of sort of like it is old school media. But so you're saying this, you reckon this is, is taken the promo shot maybe that he got for that.

Tommy: But the interesting thing is the reason why they do it is because they just transplant people together to make teams.

Josh: So if it's going from, uh, Tommy and Candy to Tommy and Stacy, which it did, and they just used Stacy's photo from up in Cairns and then my photo from Shep, and it's Photoshop, put them together. No, but I'll tell you how we got this. Mitch, a fellow on Insta, and I saw him just is sending these out. Like, I think he's taking the piss, obviously. Bit of gear.

Tommy: Obviously. Why are you saying obviously?

Josh: Obviously because you're a wanker if you send out these with fucking no thought that people are thinking.

Tommy: I think it's great.

Josh: No, but I'm saying it is a joke.

Tommy: I don't think Mitch is a wanker. Well, we don't know if it's a joke.

Josh: Mitch, I'm sorry, mate. I do think you're a wanker if you are doing this purposely. But I think it is. Anyway, so I said to Mitch, because he posted it as a joke, so I knew it was a joke, I said I just literally put our PO box address in, didn't say anything else. I just put our PO box and he sent it. You're a fucking legend, Mitch.

Tommy: That's great. You're an absolute legend.

Josh: So this is going up on my desk.

Tommy: Did you guys ever send letters to celebs or request autographs growing up?

Josh: I mean, these kids that are around us, Josh. Yeah, they don't know what mail is. You should have seen the struggles of Mr. 97 doing postage.

Tommy: Have you ever done that? Did you ever have K-Zone magazine or any?

Mason: No, no, no, no.

Josh: You see, you don't— do you know what Aggro is?

Mason: No.

Josh: Uh, Cheese TV?

Mason: No.

Josh: Okay, so this is the thing. There was Cheese TV, which was a cartoon show, and there were some hosts.

Tommy: Yeah, I wasn't really into Cheese. I was more Today Show, show sort of.

Josh: Old soul. Either way, if you're a kid and actually acted like a child, because you've acted like an adult since you were born, um, people would send in to the lock bag, PO blah blah blah, whatever it was.

Tommy: I feel like it was Piermont, New South Wales. I know all the Nickelodeon ones were.

Josh: Yeah. And so people would send legit mail. They would send out, send in like, you know, letters, things, I guess.

Tommy: Photo, like, no, like drawings.

Josh: Drawings. Yeah. It's the modern day Casey Neistat, you know, unboxing like that guy gets so much mail.

Tommy: Should we do a bigger push for that? I mean, we've still got the glitter bomb that's sitting on our shelf that we haven't done anything about. Yeah, there's a reason. Yeah. Well, it's a pain in the ass.

Josh: It will be fucking annoying. Someone send us a glitter bomb and it's— Yeah. And what happens with the glitter bomb?

Tommy: Yeah, it's going to go everywhere. But PO Box 400, Abbotsford, Victoria 3067, which is where you send stuff. Thank you. Like Mitch, we'll talk about on the show.

Josh: I will say the thing—

Tommy: We won't call you all wankers.

Josh: The thing for Mitch is that this is free. He's taken office supplies, which I mean, the barrier for someone that doesn't have Like, it's a huge— if you send mail nowadays, you're— I respect that shit. Like, you've got to go to the post office. Remember our conversation in this office is like, where should we get letters from? Oh, wink, oh, Officeworks. And then it's like someone has to physically go there and then, ah, and then I mean, printing. He's used company printer.

Tommy: Yeah, well, yeah, definitely. That looks like a prepaid envelope. Yeah. So he's got it all dialled in.

Josh: Yeah. So there's something here that I'm just going to rip.

Tommy: What is that? I don't know, I'm just like a sticker or something.

Josh: Imagine if it was meant for someone else. Oh no, it's just a see-through bit. Okay, just covered up the see-through bit.

Tommy: Oh, that's good. Yeah. Um, 3D Deal, what's been going on? Uh, what's happening in the world of 3D Deal?

George: Not much, just, uh, starting to finish up now.

Josh: I thought you were saying starting afresh after the week after Sydney.

George: Well, that, I mean, yeah, but there's, there's basically, there's one full week left now of my time in Australia.

Tommy: That's crazy.

George: 9 days. Really?

Tommy: Yeah. And upon reflection, how are you feeling?

George: Oh, I just can't wait to come back now.

Tommy: Uh-huh.

Josh: Like, come back to Australia?

George: Yeah, come back to Australia. Like, I want to get home. You haven't left yet. Yeah, I know.

Josh: The sooner he gets home, the sooner he gets back. Is that your thinking?

George: Yeah, because the sooner I get back, the sooner I can finish school.

Tommy: Yeah.

George: Sooner I can finish school, I can come back.

Tommy: And so where do you want— like, after seeing Sydney, is that where you want to live?

George: No.

Tommy: Where do you want to live?

George: Here.

Josh: Melbourne.

Tommy: In Melbourne.

George: Yeah. I don't necessarily know where in Melbourne, but I, I like the beaches in Sydney, but I'm not much of a beach person. Like, I would, I would rather walk around a city and kind of just absorb the vibe.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: It's a good point. It's a good point, isn't it? Everyone says Sydney's the best because of the beaches. What about the unpopular view that people don't like beaches?

Josh: Yeah.

George: You know, it's not that I don't like beaches, but I mean, like, I wouldn't mind going there for a weekend. Yeah, right. Like, stay at a hotel. Not a fancy hotel, just like whatever I can afford. But I don't think I would be happy long term in Sydney. Why are you laughing? No, we're just sending you to Sydney.

Tommy: No, no, no, no, no. It's just the fancy hotel. Like the fancy hotels. They have big pringles.

Josh: It's been a big week for you, hasn't it, mate?

Tommy: Yeah. Anything, anything else on to put an end of this chapter, the end of the week.

George: Oh, not really.

Josh: I mean, the week— what is it?

Mason: And he just said end of the week. Yeah, Sunday, end of the week.

Tommy: Yeah, I've been around you, you know.

Josh: You've been indoctrinated into—

Tommy: wait, so you think that Sunday— yeah, I get it. I actually do get it. It does feel like the end of the week.

Josh: No, no, it's because we're doing doing 7 days a week now.

Tommy: This feels like the last one. But when we were doing, when we were doing, um, Friday as our last day, Sunday felt like the start of the week.

Josh: Anyway, um, I read recently, um, about why there's weekends. I mean, now it's just like, it is the thing.

Tommy: We need a day off.

Josh: We do. So it says, getting time off to worship on Sundays was fairly easy since observing Sunday as a day of rest was a longstanding Christian tradition due to a large number of Jewish immigrants in the late 1800s. Factory owners also had many workers who wanted Saturday, the traditional Jewish day of rest, off instead. So it has become the thing over the years. I mean, it's the 1800s and now it's just a thing that we don't think about. It's just we live for the weekends.

Mason: The fact that you have that on hand.

Josh: No, I just searched it, mate. The thing is, I can pull shit up. You know when I say, Mason, have you got that? And you're like, nah. What are you doing over there?

Tommy: What did you actually type in to get that? Um, why do weekends exist?

Josh: No, what did I say? Why is there weekends?

Tommy: You wrote that just then.

Josh: I wrote why is there weekends into Google and press go. Why are you guys so fascinated?

Mason: I didn't see him typing.

Tommy: Yeah, I didn't see it. I just saw you brought it up and started reading it like you're prepared.

Josh: I did this and then I did that. Okay, I wrote it down at my hip and then I brought it up to my face.

Tommy: No, that's fine.

Josh: I mean, they're easily impressed here at the Daily Talk Show.

Tommy: The Google Home.

Josh: You got one?

George: Yeah.

Tommy: How's that going? It's going great. I absolutely love it. And I'm wanting to get them all in the house. I want to sell my Sonos.

Josh: So, why do you have them? Why do you have multiples of them?

Tommy: Well, because I— Why do you have multiple Google Homes?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Well, because you need to be able to hear things in multiple parts of the house. Okay.

George: So, you have— Is it more than one Google Home or is it a Google Home and Google Home Minis.

Tommy: No. Well, the thing is, the Google Home Minis, like the speakers aren't necessarily that great.

Josh: They're mini. Yeah, that's a mini version. Yeah. Because I've got no idea. I've never used one before.

George: Yeah.

Tommy: So you—

George: How many Google Homes did you buy?

Tommy: No, I haven't bought any more yet, but I will buy like— Because they do a thing called Google Max, which is like Sonos speaker, but it's got a sub in it. It's like a big— It's like a big— It's like a proper Because the thing is that everyone's like, you could freak out and say, oh, well, like if you're spending $600 on a whole setup or whatever is a chunk of money. What about the days I was at like a Thai restaurant the other day and I just saw in the corner like a stereo, like an actual, like a—

Mason: With the two cables coming out to the side to speak.

Tommy: With a big volume knob.

Josh: Old school.

Tommy: Yeah. And I was just like, those and the CD stack wasn't like a stacker. It was like the spin sort of thing.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tommy: And so, you know, I'm thinking about doing it. But the interesting thing was Bree's brother has just got— he sold his because he's so paranoid about people listening.

George: Them listening in.

Tommy: Oh yeah. What are we, what are we worried about?

Josh: Yeah, I don't know.

Tommy: What are you worried about? Like, are you worried about people listening?

Mason: I mean, there was, there was all this stuff about like all Google Home, Alexa and Apple, they're sending recordings. To real people to analyse them. And so that, that wasn't included in any of the terms and conditions and privacy policies.

Josh: So what a shit job to have to listen to a bunch of idiots.

Mason: I love that. It's, it's full on, like, like there were literally like cases of people having sex and all this different stuff and they're just listening to it, which is little perverts.

Tommy: Yeah, that's not ideal.

Josh: So there's no perverts.

Mason: Yeah, not great.

Tommy: Well, because maybe is it loud?

Mason: Not like it's any noise it picks up, right? Like, and so they have keywords like 'Hey Google' or whatever, but I mean, it still, it still goes off.

Tommy: You're going to annoy the fuck out of people if— because you just said that everyone—

Josh: 'Hey Google,' is that— so it's any voice?

Tommy: Any voice. Yeah.

Josh: Wow.

Mason: But you can— no, you can set it to true.

Tommy: On Insta, if you, uh, if you're listening right now and your Google has gone off from Mr. 97, please do an Instagram story. Yeah, but it's, it's pretty Like, it is interesting.

Josh: The worst was the 'Hey Siri,' which is for me, no one else, it will work for no one else. When I say that in the car, which I'm going to— I know because Amy's— I was thinking it was good, Amy. But when I was listening back to our podcast like a real narcissist, I said 'Hey Siri' in it. It just got in this loop because it goes 'Hey Siri,' and then I stop it. And then when you go back to the podcast, it rewinds 10 seconds and gets back to that point where it says 'Hey Siri' and then just goes.

Tommy: It's like the Millennium Bug. I guess essentially what it was.

Josh: That was a crock of shit, wasn't it?

Tommy: Yeah, actually. Yeah, I guess like, uh, nothing happened. The idea was that like the dates were fucked or something.

Josh: And you were born 2000, Mr. 97?

Mason: That's 1999.

Josh: Okay, so you were one, just get nearly one. Yeah, a bit over one.

Mason: Yeah, yeah, I would— no, no, I would have been one, one month old. One month old.

Josh: So, sorry, '99.

Mason: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, month old.

Josh: Mate, I don't know the age of my own kid, to be honest. I think he was born the year that he was conceived, which is the weird bit, because you, he's— you're pregnant in one year and then the baby actually comes the next year. But as soon as you see the bump growing, you think it's when he was born. Like, you think it's like just when he was—

Mason: yeah, he was there from—

Josh: yeah, he's in existence because he's just this big little blob in a belly.

Tommy: I get it.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Anyway, I mean, Sunday, it's been a long week.

Josh: It's been a big week. I tell you, the guests that we've had been lovely. Lovely.

Tommy: And then Emmylou on tomorrow.

Josh: Yeah. Yeah, she's fascinating. So I was writing something before and I was writing about— and I had Dyl cheque it because he's a better writer than me.

George: Yeah.

Josh: And it was just about the day that we had in New York City. And it was the day that we went to interview Seth Godin. That day was fucking electric.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: When you think about it, and I wrote like, I just was writing about that day and I was getting so excited just thinking about what had happened. We got up at 4:30 AM, we get on the train, we're heading out of New York City up along the Hudson River, you know, to interview Seth Godin. Fuck, that was amazing as it is. After that, we end up bumping into Chase Jarvis, who we've both watched, you know, for years. And he's right where we were about to record a podcast outside of the Flatiron Building. And then we asked him to come on and then we bumped into Post Malone later. Like crazy shit happens in one day.

Tommy: Yeah. And do you remember how you felt on that day?

Josh: Shit house.

Tommy: Yeah.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: My voice was cooked by the end of it. I felt so shit. But looking back, it's like, look at what happens when you put yourself out there. We said recently, when you look back, when we were in New York City, we had like a quarter of the audience we do now. So what business did we have doing any of that shit? But that's the thing. You could always look at what business do I have interviewing Seth? What business do I have going to New York City to do this thing? But it's not about that. It's like You've got it all. I think that's in the early days. You always feel like that, that it's, that's the, it's almost imposter syndrome. It's like, what right do I have? It's like you've got as much right as the next person.

Tommy: Yeah. 97's been talking about an international trip that doesn't involve us. Ah, what?

Mason: The one that I brought up like a week, 2 weeks ago?

Tommy: Yeah. Well, no, I don't know when it was, but you were, it was on the show. No, you got a plan that doesn't involve us.

Mason: Oh well, I mean, I want to, I want to go to South America with Jason Andre, the Coconut Crew. Yeah, and go backpacking for maybe like a week, two weeks.

Josh: The boys in Copacabana doing a bit of—

Tommy: Yeah, what are you imagining? What's the, what's the, uh, what's the vibe? What are you hoping for?

Mason: I actually, I have no idea. I feel, I just feel like, I mean, we're sort of watching a lot of Narcos and that's like in Mexico and South America and Colombia and stuff. So that's, that's exciting. But yeah, I mean, there, there's some cool like, um, landscapes and stuff down there. So just sussing all that out, different culture, I think that'd be cool.

Tommy: Are you finding yourself looking at content online to get yourself excited?

Mason: No, not really. I think Andre, Andre is doing that a lot more, but I think, um, his His enthusiasm gets me excited, so I don't really look at content around it aside from Narcos.

Josh: Baby hasn't left the country by himself. No, let alone the state by himself.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: So how do you feel about backpacking? I mean, backpacking already sounds like a nightmare.

Tommy: Backpacking. Whenever I think backpacking, I think like longer than a week.

Josh: What do you think backpacking is? What's the definition for you?

Mason: Um, yeah, I mean, it'd be doing— it's just doing a trip cheaply. Like, I mean, you've whether you actually bring like a suitcase or an actual like hiking pack. I don't know, but it's just staying in like hostels and that sort of stuff. You pay like $50.

George: Living out of a backpack.

Mason: Yeah, literally.

George: Yeah.

Tommy: There's a great book. I think it's like How to Live Off $50 a Day or Travel on $50 a Day, which is very cool.

Josh: Excluding accommodation?

Tommy: Including accommodation. For the whole thing. Yeah, that's great.

Josh: I mean, the prep that needs to go into that.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: Like it sounds like a great headline. I'm sure you could do it. But I just even think any of those places you want to stay in in South America that you want to live after, you know, you want to walk away alive, you're only alive if you're walking away.

Tommy: I mean, how much is a backpackers there, do we think?

Mason: I've got no idea.

Josh: I reckon no idea. Like $30 American, $30 USD a night. I reckon that's like a cheap, cheap one. Cheap. I reckon it'd be up to like $85, $90 USD a night for some of them.

Tommy: So my favourite site before I went away, because I did 3 and a half months with Bree in Europe. Last year. There's a site called Nomad List, and I'm on their Slack as well. But Nomad List basically has all of the, the places around the world that's like the most affordable. They basically have all different filters or considerations. So, if you have a look—

Josh: Is Nomad an acronym? What is Nomad?

Tommy: It's just like a nomadic lifestyle or— Like it means like not being attached to like— You just travel around.

George: Like you're not—

Josh: So, it's related to travel, right? But I'm saying, is the definition relating to travel or has it just been—

Tommy: It's relating to not having a home, I think. Nomad. I'll tell you the actual definition.

Josh: Because I relate it to the person that's living this sort of carefree life, moving around. Yeah.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: Dole bludger.

Tommy: No, no, it's a member of people of a people that travels from place to place to find fresh pasture for its animals.

Josh: That's old school.

Tommy: Yeah, absolutely. A person who does not stay long in the same place. A wanderer. And so, Nomad List is interesting. It's sort of big in the tech space. So, tech people like developers and stuff who have work that they can do anywhere in the world, remote work. You can go to Nomad List. So, some of the things it's got, like an overall Nomad Score, they call it. Then they give you a cost of living, internet, fun, temperature, humidity, air quality, safety, quality of life.

Mason: Oh, great.

Tommy: People density, walkability, peace, traffic safety, hospitals, happiness, nightlife, free Wi-Fi in the city, place to work from, AC or heating. It goes down to like even stuff like LGBT friendly. So, pretty awesome. And so, for instance, like you can go and you can look, for instance, and see where the best, like if you want to go for a month away, you can see the cheapest places to live. So, Budapest comes on up top in regards to all the boxes. So, it was like the cost is 1,600 an $80 a month US. Wow. So, you can live there including all accommodation and stuff.

Josh: I mean, I wonder what the comms like.

Tommy: Well, the thing is that—

Josh: It's not your North Ballwyn home. Yeah.

Tommy: Yeah. No, but I think that like some of these places, like especially Poland, like Warsaw is high up here. But when Bri and I went to Kraków, really inexpensive. Like you're talking maybe, say, something that would cost a few hundred dollars in one city might cost you like $70. Type of deal. And then you look at the food cost and all that sort of thing. But that could be an interesting way, I feel like from a travel point of view, even with you, Jill. Yeah, like working out where to stay and being able to have stuff that's beyond just working out, okay, the, um, it's not purely the cost. The other cool thing is people have put in the average, um, like costs for different items too. So in Warsaw It costs $0.85 for a 300ml Coke on average. Yeah. A beer for a 500ml is $2.56. Is that—

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: Is that euro though?

Tommy: No, that's USD.

George: Not bad.

Tommy: A coffee is $1.73 US. So, yeah, it's interesting. I think that that's sort of like a fun— I can get— When it comes to travelling, I like spending the time going on to those sites. There's another one like Star Alliance, which is like a bunch of airlines, and you can go on there and do a world trip. And so, basically, like, they have different tiers depending on how many continents you do, and you can just like click through and it will give you a price. And then you can click and actually it has the itinerary there, and then you can—

Mason: You can book it.

Tommy: You can book it.

George: Yeah.

Josh: Because I— When, you know, when you see those flight deals, you see the advertisement for the flight deal. But then I can never find the fucking— yeah, purchase button.

Mason: Specific dates, like you have to go like this.

Josh: Yeah, and you know, if you— if the wind's blowing in one direction, you may get it.

Tommy: Yeah, well, you can play, or you can play around with it, which is cool. Yeah, so like, um, yeah, I mean, those are all—

Josh: it is like, if you could find— so if it's $1,600 in Budapest, you reckon you could find the accommodation that equals that? Is that like a shitty Is that a link off to it?

Tommy: No, like you can, I think, um, is that the average? I mean, the thing is that I think the average cost of an apartment would be like, uh, maybe $600 USD a month.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And so then you work that out, or like it could even be like $400 USD. It's not much money when you look at places that are like the— you're only getting paid, like you only get paid for work maybe, maybe $400 a month, living has to be fairly inexpensive.

Josh: I mean, the reality is people spend more time working out how much their week will cost when they travel than they do about their own lives back home. Who can just like pull out on their phone and say, my expenses for this week per month is X, Y, and Z? It's, um, which is probably alarming.

Tommy: Well, I think Bri and I got way better when we came home based on that because we were thinking about it all the time. We literally have we have a spreadsheet of every, like, every city and what it cost us. And the funny thing was, it was all the most expensive ones were the two things that I— that were my ones, which was Amsterdam for IBC.

Josh: Oh yeah.

Tommy: And New York. Those are the two most expensive.

Josh: New York's an expensive city. You're not going to— I wouldn't backpack there.

Mason: Yeah.

Tommy: Well, that's the thing. Yeah, New York is crazy, but LA was like fairly affordable. Yeah, that's Airbnb and stuff.

George: Yeah.

Josh: How do you think, Mason, that you'll go? Because you have to— like, I've stayed in one Backpackers. Yeah, in two, Rome and Florence. I actually have a good friend from the one when I stayed in Florence. We just met, he was a PT from Sydney, and we got along really well, and we're still friends to this day. But, um, I remember, like, it's a— it's handy. It's out of the comfort zone. Oh yeah, definitely. Are you up for putting yourself out of your comfort zone? I mean, who's really up for it?

Mason: Well, no, I think, I think it helps having Jason Andre there.

Tommy: Yeah, like, there's such a difference.

Mason: Yeah, all of you, all of us are just— we could— yeah, we can all— yeah, be out of it.

Josh: Who stole me coconut oil? Fucking—

Tommy: I'm not— yeah, you just have to hope that Jason cracks it and just books you guys a hotel. Yeah, that'll be all right.

Josh: Yeah, you'll need a credit card.

George: Will you?

Josh: Or travel card? Yeah, yeah, you're a smart boy. Yeah, no credit cards for young man.

Tommy: That's interesting. I mean, I think that that's part of the journey and the travelling and all that sort of thing is actually the planning. Yeah, I guess to your point, there is something fun about being like, oh, where is the, uh, cheaper— like, where's my cheap coffee place? Because that's what you do when you travel, you find all these little hacks. It's like in, um, Italy like some places that are like so cheap to get like an Aperol Spritz or whatever. But there's also places that are super fucking expensive.

Josh: Tourist traps.

Tommy: Yeah. As you did. Tourist traps are the biggest thing, right? Like, like the difference between being in like a piazza and eating there versus going around a street. But there's certain places where it's very hard not to be in one big, like Venice.

Josh: Oh, that's a tourist trap.

Tommy: One big tourist trap. You literally like the whole thing. It's like being in a theme park.

Josh: We don't have like What's the tourist traps in Melbourne? Fed Square. Like, there's not, not to the extent, like, I would feel comfortable and wouldn't be that pissed off buying a coffee within 5kms of the city.

Tommy: Yeah, I reckon it was, you know, I reckon tourist traps that piss me off, and this is, I feel like, common, is it's like, it's never just the price. The tour— It's always like you pay more for the food and it's going to be shit food as well. So it's like, it's not like there's ever— I've never experienced a tourist trap where you've paid heaps more because you're a tourist and then it's like a really delicious— It's always the fucking cheap street food in Thailand where you're going to get the best curry.

George: Yeah.

Josh: And the best stomach bug.

Tommy: Exactly. Versus, versus somewhere else.

Josh: Yeah. All right, babies, let's wrap this one up.

Tommy: Yep. Tomorrow, last day that you can get hoodies. Yeah. So, you better do that. Thedailytalk— I'm really fucking tired— thedailytalkshow.com/hoodies if you want to get onto them. Otherwise, we'll see you on Monday with a pre-record, which is with Emmy Lou. See you then.