#Sheppresent

Kel: The Daily Talk Show.

Josh: It's a Daily Talk Show episode 407.

Tommy: It's Weekend Banter and we got full Gronk Squad.

Josh: Clap it in, clap it in. It's Shepparton represent.

Tommy: Yeah, this is, this is, um, the band's back together from Shepparton.

Kel: That's it.

Tommy: Kellan Wolfe, my housemate.

Kel: Hello, mate.

Tommy: Hey, mate. And, um, our hype man for the Daily Talk Show, but also just Shepparton celebrity.

Kel: He's Sheppresenting his entire life.

Tommy: Far out, how are you, mate?

BMac: Good, thanks. Thanks for having me.

Tommy: This is awesome.

BMac: This is way different to the last time I was on the show.

Tommy: Oh, what, what, what are you saying?

Kel: Um, it was just them and your iPhone, was it?

BMac: Joe's had a tape recorder and we're at the desk.

Josh: It wasn't a fucking tape recorder, it was a Zoom recorder. Use an SD card.

Tommy: $1,700 worth. Um, what episode was that?

Josh: 50? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kel: Far out, it's a long time ago.

Tommy: So we did a road trip up to Shep. We, um, I mean, I still don't even know what you do for work, but you have access to the label.

Kel: That's all I know.

Tommy: Works at a label, but he also runs nights and fucking— oh, you're a promoter? Now that's a, that's a stinky word, isn't it?

Josh: Yeah, promoter's like a dealer.

BMac: I think promoter, when you're doing things like that, is like when you're like 17 to like 21, and if you're still doing it after that, then you're a bit of a— I don't know, a grub.

Tommy: A grub or a gronk.

Kel: What is it? What is a gronk?

BMac: I would say, I would say it's like what they've classed me as, like, a creative director.

Tommy: Okay.

BMac: Yeah, of like these businesses.

Tommy: Okay, which is a promoter. See, I'm not— mate, creative directors, imagine if in reality they're just promoters. No, but you, you put on nights and shit. And so anyway, we had access through your homies at the— that own it, and we were able to do our show.

Josh: What was the place called again?

Tommy: The Deck.

Josh: The Deck. That's right.

Tommy: It's fucking great.

Josh: And you've got it because TJ's always, whenever we're in a regional town, it feels like he's fucking always bragging about a deck that's close by. I think when we're in Ballarat.

Tommy: No, literally when we were up there to film some stuff, you were up there and you launched on the Thursday night. We were there on the Thursday. Yeah, we left.

BMac: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we opened up a cocktail bar downstairs called Uptown. Just to keep things ticking over. And then there's going to be a deck upstairs. So that's about to launch real soon. So we'll have like 4 in the state.

Tommy: And there's— yeah, they're everywhere. So pretty much all the regional towns we go to.

Josh: What do you have to do to have a successful venue? What's the— where's the cash at?

BMac: I think it's just treating people really well because like, you know, if you go to a different town, you're not from there, people will be like really reluctant to support you at the start. So if you show them love, something that they haven't got for a long time because a lot of people have the monopoly, if you show them love, then they'll just keep coming back.

Tommy: It's, it's that and cheap drinks.

Kel: Yeah.

Tommy: And that's why Kell and I will go there. If Kell and I get drink cards, we'll be there. And cheap drinks.

BMac: Free Fireballs, free drinks.

Tommy: We got a few freebies in Shepparton.

Kel: Yeah. There's a photo that must have come out like a memory, memory not that long ago.

Josh: It was me.

Kel: We had like lanyards on with like, just like rum and Coke lanyards or something at the JB Hotel. Do you remember that?

Tommy: Yeah, they were fucking— I think they were Jim Beam doing some honey Jim Beam or something.

BMac: Yeah, shit.

Tommy: But these regional towns, they put on these like, I don't know, the alcohol labels come. You've probably organised a bunch of them, but there's like, it's almost like the alcohol promotion.

BMac: Yeah.

Tommy: For the event. And then they give you a bunch of free shit.

BMac: Yeah. Like regional towns get like really excited about that. Like just like the kids in the town, they're like, oh my God, Jim Beam girls. And it's just like these girls from Prahran who come down in a car. Dressing like Jim Beam's.

Kel: They can still be Jim Beam girls, can't they? Yeah, they can.

Tommy: Like, they are.

Kel: So you're ragging on Jim Beam girls?

Tommy: Do you think venues—

Kel: I'm loving this.

BMac: I'm loving this.

Josh: What a Bacardi guy.

Tommy: Do you think venues are being more thoughtful around doing shit with promotional girls?

Josh: Like conferences, you can't go now.

Tommy: Milwaukee Tools have— they don't do in Australia nothing, no promotional women, no like, yeah, girls holding drills and shit. Of candid from any of their promotional stuff. Jim Beam Girls was a thing. We did a fucking— remember when Stacy and I were doing that Friday's house party thing where we'd go?

Kel: Yeah, I remember that.

Tommy: We did a broadcast of the show. This is Stacy, who doesn't follow me on Instagram. She doesn't follow me.

Kel: Neither does Tracy.

Tommy: Just old housemate.

Josh: Oh, really?

Tommy: Fucking, this is politics.

Kel: Oh no, you just reminded me. I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said that.

Tommy: Anyway, I went to Stacy's. I'm okay. I'm okay. We went to this sad dude's house. It was so sad in Maroona, and we rocked up and it was 5 AM and we're going to do this setup to do this broadcast. He'd got this sort of like big fire going for us and I just smelt Jim Beam on his breath. And then I look over and there's just a Jim Beam g-string hanging up. And then his wife comes out and it's just a very sad moment.

Josh: Did you say there was a pole? I feel like there was a pole as well.

Tommy: Yeah, there was a pole.

Kel: Well, there was a poll, was there?

Tommy: Yeah, it's fucking horrible.

Kel: You know, that's authentic when there's a poll going on.

Tommy: A Jim Beam G-String.

Kel: Yeah, that's genuine.

Tommy: Do you think Jim Beam and all these, do you think they still do? Like, are they pushing promotional events with girls?

BMac: Not, not towards us. I think more so in like bigger crowds, like, you know, your whole, like Bathurst and, you know, your big VA cards and your big sort of concert series and things.

Tommy: Your bogan gatherings is what you're saying.

BMac: I'm trying to be nice, guys.

Josh: The, um, There was a time I feel that there was a big push to having your own bar, like, you know, like the wooden bars at home. Like my dad had one where it was almost like the Trevor Marmalade dream. Yeah. Having your own bar that you sort of go behind. I feel like that's not much of a thing anymore.

Tommy: Well, you need a bit of space.

Kel: I think I suppose if you live out, you know, if you don't live in an apartment. Yeah, it's great.

Tommy: But you get a bar into your one bedroom.

Kel: Yeah, that's it. Just on the balcony.

Tommy: Just off the plan came with a fucking bar.

Kel: Yeah. I actually think you're right. I think like a bunch of my mates' dads had all that. That was like, it was like a real sort of pride moment where they'd come and cheque out the bar. Yeah.

Josh: With a vintage Coca-Cola bottle they got from Vanuatu.

Kel: And just thousands of stubby holders.

Tommy: Red Bull fridge full.

Kel: Just from Bali.

Tommy: Red Bull Light. You know, the fucking old Red Bull signs and shit.

Josh: Oh, that's right.

Tommy: They're throwing them out there.

Kel: Bintang singlets in a frame.

Tommy: Signed Warnie cricket bat. It's so Australian. But I guess it's like the, the American cabin style, like the hunting cabins and shit. Yeah, they're more of a thing over in the States in the winter, probably in Canada, 3D deal. Yeah, I've got a lot of hunting cabins, lots of, you know, dead carcasses on the wall.

Josh: What's that called? What are they?

Dylan: Taxidermy?

Kel: Yeah, taxidermy.

Dylan: They're not dead carcasses.

Josh: Well, they are.

Tommy: Technically they are, but they're just stuffed.

Dylan: Moose, deer and stuff.

Tommy: Yeah. Anyway, it's a bit bogan, isn't it?

Josh: And so Kel, you were Tommy's housemate?

Kel: Yeah. Is that how I'm defined when you talk about it?

Tommy: No, no, no. I was just— it's one of the things. One of my groomsmen my wedding. I'll lead with that.

Josh: Yeah, great.

Kel: That's up from housemates. We lived together for, I don't know, a year or something, was it?

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, it was— we moved to Shepparton. I mean, if I don't need to bring Shepparton up again, but I will.

Josh: Um, Tommy's got a bit of a chip on his shoulder about Shepparton because someone, uh, left a comment saying that our podcast is like, um, listening to a few mates and one of them just so happens to have lived in Shepparton.

Tommy: It's pretty funny.

Kel: Is it that? Yeah. Anyway, so yeah, so we lived here, we got off track. We lived in Shepparton for like a year. We worked together at Star FM.

Tommy: It's not KISS FM.

Kel: Triple M Shepparton and Hit FM.

Tommy: It's changed.

Kel: It's changed.

Josh: Sun across Australia, the whole country.

Tommy: Well, when you were growing up, it would have been Sun FM and then Star FM and now Hit FM. But when I got there, I didn't know anyone and Kel had just rocked up as well. And so we're these new newbies, punks working. And then I was living with a girl who gathered hair and put it into a jar. Remember that shit? Yeah.

Kel: I was a hairdresser.

Tommy: Jesus, my God.

Kel: I just think you're just a nutcase, as in— well, I had my own nutcase as well with Will, obviously. Do you remember that? Remember that? We both landed with some proper housemates.

Tommy: Yeah, and so we were like, we need to live together because fucking we like each other.

Josh: Was there a tissue issue or something?

BMac: I feel like—

Tommy: it was more than a tissue issue, mate. It was a fucking sanitary pad issue.

Josh: Okay, it just ran the house.

Kel: It was. I think she was in love with you too, wasn't she, T?

Tommy: Oh, I don't know. I hope not.

Josh: Tommy's constant problem. Everything comes back to that. Yeah, it's just like, why didn't the client work out?

Dylan: They loved me.

Kel: Yeah, so we did we did the radio there for, I don't know, a couple years, whatever it was, 2 and a half years. Tommy was there. And we had— I mentioned Tracey before. Tracey was our other housemate. That was why I brought that up. And Tracey and Stace are good mates.

Tommy: And we played a lot of frisbee and we dreamt about getting out of there.

Kel: We did.

Tommy: We played frisbee every afternoon and we drank a lot of ciders.

Kel: A lot of ciders.

Tommy: Just— and it was just— it was how you— Josh has just started drinking red wine— how you feel.

BMac: Yeah.

Tommy: Imagine that. I mean, you don't like being outside, but we were enjoying the time. We were enjoying the sun, sunshine, throwing the frisbee. And it was just some of the best times.

Kel: It was a good time, actually. We had fun. I mean, we were back in Melbourne virtually every weekend, but we were at the GV just fucking free drinking.

Josh: You're reliving that when we were in New York. You literally bought a beer off a guy in Central Park or whatever, but then you also threw the frisbee, remember, with that guy?

Tommy: I sent you a photo, Kel. Yes. I said, yes, dude, mate, I've never got onto a frisbee like I did.

Kel: Yeah, we were all about, like, passionately about frisbee at one point, like, where we thought this is just something. It was Frisbee Media before it was anything else. What's the high-end frisbee called?

Josh: There's one that sort of doesn't— that has a hole in the—

Tommy: That's not a high-end one. That's just an aerobe.

Josh: Aerobe.

Tommy: That's not a frisbee. It's— Well, we call it a frisbee, but it's an aerobe. Frisbee's the disc. Where the frisbees come from, we've done a bit of research into this.

BMac: Remember?

Kel: Yeah, dish tin lids. They were original, like, like thin metal—

Tommy: Pizza lids, weren't they?

Kel: Pizza on dish tin lid. Like, as in, yeah, they were all like just thin metal and people started throwing them around. I think they originated in California.

Josh: Yeah.

Kel: And then somebody just marketed the idea that they could just get a the, you know, circumference.

Josh: Sounds like we planned this whole thing. Like, that's a fucking good fact.

Kel: I just wanted to do a video about it at one point. We should do it now. I said to— I wrote, I even wrote it out. I was like, this is— we should do the origins of Frisbee. This is how passionate about Frisbee I am.

Josh: Because what's the thing that people play together that's Frisbee?

Kel: Like Frisbee golf?

Josh: Yeah. Froth? Yeah. I've actually filmed in Dallas, Texas, a guy playing Frisbee golf. It's just like they take it so seriously and they have their whole like bag with like all the like different weighted fucking aerobies, I'm guessing, because they have—

Tommy: yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kel: You get some good distance on it.

Tommy: You get pissed and you fucking think you're the best. It's great. We just trick shots. Did you see us ever playing like when you were driving through Shepparton?

BMac: I think I might have.

Dylan: Must have.

Tommy: Yeah, we used to get a few toots.

Kel: Yeah, I'm sure I saw you tooting at us.

BMac: Did that? Yeah, it was like weird. You were like hipsters.

Tommy: Yeah, and we'll talk about it. I talked about it on my show. Did you talk about it?

Kel: Yeah, I talked about it. I was like, you might catch me down Shepherd and Parklife. I will be throwing frisbee this afternoon.

Josh: So what show were you doing? Because Tommy had his show originally with Candy Hurts and then later Stacey June.

Kel: That's right.

Tommy: I think Candy actually follows me.

Kel: Does Candy follow on Instagram? I'm just assuming that Stacey doesn't follow me, but I'm surprised Stacey doesn't follow you.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, I haven't checked. I had— to be honest, I haven't checked because I don't care. I don't think there's any bad blood.

Kel: Yeah, not caring.

Tommy: Oh, do you know what I can do? I'll follow, unfollow, follow, unfollow, follow, unfollow. I think you just do it once.

Josh: I reckon by the end of the show.

Kel: Just keep following and unfollowing. That's really not the thing to do.

Tommy: No, but how about this?

Josh: Why don't you just do a follow— sorry, unfollow, then follow. And then it was her birthday 2 weeks ago, just like that post and say happy birthday. Of course.

Kel: Yes, she does. Oh my God, are you serious? Yeah, she follows one half of the Daily Talk Show.

Tommy: I'm just gonna look.

Kel: It's pretty brutal, isn't it?

Tommy: I have faith that it was just something, just a—

Josh: I feel like this chat would This could leave me with an unfollow.

Tommy: Unfollowed?

BMac: Follow.

Tommy: Let's see if I can follow.

Kel: Leave it.

Tommy: Oh, and I'll like her last 4 photos.

Josh: No, no, just go. No, no, no, no, no, no.

Tommy: It's like a bot.

Josh: She'll literally think you're a fucking bot.

Kel: No, she won't. She'll remember I was on a radio with him, radio show with him once. Anyway, yeah, my show with, uh, yeah, the Triple M brand of, of the Shepparton radio station up there, um, with a guy called Steven Walter, and we were Wally and Kel for Breakfast from Sixx.

Tommy: I love that they didn't, they didn't want to go with Kel and Wally is the name because they said it sounded like a regional town. Kel and Wally.

Kel: Yeah, Kel and Wally. Yeah, it fits. I think that was, I think they actually had a point now looking back.

Josh: So you decided on Wally and Kel?

Kel: It used to be, it was originally Wolfman and Wally because my last name's Wolf and so we played on that, but that was back in Tamworth days.

Josh: I like Wolfman.

Tommy: Yeah, Wolfman.

Josh: I used to love my, when I was growing up, The Spoon Man.

Kel: Yeah, Spoonie.

Tommy: Who's Spoon Man?

Kel: I don't know what he's doing.

Josh: He's doing Hobart.

Kel: Have you followed his career?

Josh: Yeah, well, I just sort of picked it. I dropped the ball and then picked it back up.

Kel: It used to be a good show, like Triple M Nights. Yeah, like sort of call in. Like, yeah, I feel like he's got a similar voice almost.

Josh: Like he had that sort of real sort of presence.

Kel: Old school radio. Yeah. Like, what's on the street?

Josh: Yeah, it's definitely Triple M. It's for people who piss standing up, you know.

Kel: People that think about football.

Josh: Yeah, I could get into people like that.

Kel: Almost exclusively.

Tommy: As someone, I mean, I talk about being an alien coming to Shepparton, you know, you're a born and bred Sheppo. Sheppo beanak. What was it like? What's— I mean, there's a lot of talk. We had a segment which was Six Degrees of Shepparation, which actually we tried to make a connection to the Greater Valley. It worked. Lots of people. Yeah, it did. It did have a sting. I've probably still got it. I'll find it anyway. But it was like, who has a connection to the GV, the Greater Valleys? Shepherded shitloads of people did. Yeah, some great people have come out of there, including you.

BMac: Thank you. Yeah, no, it's a great town. Um, I just love the community about it, really. Like, I see, like, I've obviously made heaps of friends in the city, and a lot of them don't get to catch up with their mates as regularly as I do. So if I go home, I'm always going to see someone I know or run into, you know, this old teacher or person or someone I've worked with. Um, whereas like in the city, I feel like it's a lot harder for people. They just like separate and and you have like one or two friends. I know friends like who are still home, they catch up with the same like 10 to 20 people every weekend.

Kel: Yeah, and you know, you know everybody in Shepparton though, B-Mac. Like, that's— it's like, remember, you're a person's people, you're people's person.

Josh: Yeah, you're like a liaison.

BMac: I like to be out there, liaison, be friendly with everyone, and yeah, just get along.

Tommy: Who's the most successful person out of Shepparton that you know of?

Josh: Keep in mind Tommy wasn't born in Shepparton.

Kel: Briggs has to be Briggs!

BMac: Hey, like it's— it's a tough one. Like there's people in a lot of different industries.

Kel: I'm not talking about like someone that bought a bunch of real estate sort of agencies, just like someone that's— It's Briggs right now?

BMac: Yeah, right now it's probably like— like in our generation, like I think my mate Steel Sidebottom's done really good. He's the co-captain at Collingwood. Oh yeah, oh yeah, won a couple premierships and yeah, like He's a lord.

Tommy: Like Briggs too.

BMac: Yeah, Briggs. He's amazing.

Tommy: Did you go to school with him?

BMac: No, I lived around the corner, like pretty much 2 blocks away. Um, he was my brother's year, so a couple years older.

Tommy: He's a rapper.

BMac: Yeah, he's a rapper, he's an actor, he directs.

Kel: He's getting all over the place now.

Josh: Yeah, he was even on Conan. If you're an international, uh, viewer of our show, he was on Conan.

Kel: He was doing what? What was he on Conan for?

Josh: Well, when Conan came— Conan's been doing his like overseas international Trips came to Australia and Briggs was fucking there just showing him how shit's done.

Kel: Yeah. I mean, he was also on Tommy and Candy's show. Oh, that's right. I nearly said Stacks. I'm like, no, it was before. It was Candy House.

Josh: Yeah, we released the rap video, which is sort of brand damaging for him being aligned with a rap battle with you.

Kel: Yeah, I remember that. I remember definitely editing that audio, that rap, that fake rap.

Josh: So what sort of, Kel, what sort of preparation would you do for your radio show.

Kel: A lot more than Tommy would have done for his.

BMac: Yeah.

Kel: Um, no, I was in— we like— it was like, it's one of those things, regional radio, where you do, uh, you know, it's just you basically. You've got a content director, but he's not involved really, um, as Tommy would know. But you just sort of, after you get off air at 9 or whatever, 10 o'clock, you just start prepping for the next day, uh, and probably take you till 2 o'clock. And just— it's— but it's just you, you do, you know, it's, it's a fair bit of work to do a regional radio show in terms of a content show. Because there just isn't the— I mean, what the fuck? This is like Fox Breakfast over here. So there's 4 people, there's producers. Yeah, we get an airlock in the daily talk show.

Tommy: We've got more people than there were in the Shepherd and Office.

BMac: There was.

Kel: Fucking hell, what the hell's going on here?

Tommy: Hey, big media company.

Kel: Yeah, I mean, would you have to do, um, are they allowed to talk or—

Josh: Yeah, we've got a microphone around.

Kel: I don't know, there's an American here. Which—

Josh: Canadian. Canadian. 3-day deal.

Kel: 3-day deal.

Tommy: Yeah.

Kel: Is that because you You work in animation or something?

Dylan: I have a 3D printer.

Tommy: Can you give him your elevator pitch? I've never asked that question. What's your elevator pitch?

Kel: My elevator pitch?

Dylan: Yes. Oh, that's—

Tommy: So we've just walked into the elevator.

BMac: Ding!

Josh: That's why I don't take the lift.

Tommy: Level 4, I'm going to— You got 20 seconds. Tell Kel about you because he said, oh, g'day mate, you American? No, I'm Canaadian.

Kel: Yeah, he said Canaadian.

Dylan: Yeah, that's, um, my elevator pitch. Oh geez, I don't know, man. You've thrown me— you've stumped me.

Tommy: But that's why I've got—

Josh: we can start the scene again.

Dylan: Okay, all right.

Josh: Oh, oh, hey Cal. Oh, this is, uh, 3D Dill.

Dylan: Hi, I'm 3D Dill.

Josh: I just fucking introduced you already. You don't have to say it again.

Kel: Okay, okay, let him go.

Dylan: I'm a Canadian. I'm an industrial design student. Um, I just wrote a book. Uh, I've travelled to Australia.

Kel: Did you write a book about industrial design?

Dylan: No.

Kel: Okay, just about having a 3D printer. No, no, you'll have to read the book.

Tommy: Okay, salesman.

Kel: That's what we've got.

BMac: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dylan: Moved halfway across the world to work with these girls.

BMac: Unbelievable.

Dylan: Yeah, overall not bad.

Kel: That's very cool.

Josh: Good.

Kel: Yeah, I don't want to change focus.

Josh: It's an intense elevator pitch, isn't it?

Dylan: Yeah, that was really intense.

Josh: Yeah, they're— I mean, yeah, I mean, Lyft's It's— I have noticed that I'm actually exercising more. I'm on the 5th level at my apartment and I will just like way prefer to take the stairs than having to fucking—

Kel: Really?

Josh: Yeah. I just don't want to have to— Like the other day, I actually— How about this? This is something I'd never done before in the lift. I was in the lift and I was coming from level 5, had to go to ground. At level 4, the lift opened. And it was people with stuff like furniture and they were moving and they're like, oh, you just, oh, we'll wait, just keep going. I'm like, no, that's fine. And I walked out of the lift past them and then just went down the stairs so they could then take the couch and stuff in.

Kel: Is it a fear of like being in the elevator?

Josh: Is that what it is? Yeah, it's the fear of conversation.

Kel: I have the same thing because I've been at the radio station every time because you can leave just through the fire escape from the top level, the funk.. And I prefer to do that because you go straight out in the street.

Josh: You have a tidy escape.

Kel: As opposed to just having like an awkward, just quick back and forth with someone I don't know at the station. Well, imagine, I remember, um, like just a smile, like, yeah, hi, I don't know, you don't know me, we smile at each other because we know we both work here, and then that's like, that's it. What else are you going to do? How are you? There's no time for it. It's like, it's two levels.

Josh: No, I don't. Yeah, I suppose, yeah, that the, uh, the lift in Clarendon Street, I feel like I've had many.

Tommy: Have you got any quirks like that, BMAC?

BMac: No, I was just thinking, you really hate to live where I live.

Kel: Is there an elevator at Unified? There's not, it's just stairs.

BMac: Just stairs at Unified.

Tommy: But you can't— what floor are you on, 50th?

BMac: Uh, 40.

Josh: 440?

BMac: Yeah.

Kel: Have you been up there?

Tommy: No, I have not.

Kel: It's fucking terrifying. I hate getting on his balcony. It's fucking— it's like, I don't want to go out there.

Tommy: You've got a bar in your house?

BMac: Yeah, we've got a bar now.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: How much extra room have you got? You've got a fucking stuffed toy that's like, uh, that bear.

BMac: That bear. We had to let it go because of the bar. Oh, yeah, it was taking up so much space. Like, the bear was huge.

Kel: But if you get on the balcony, you look across to what's it called, what, Marvel Stadium now? Yeah, like it's— and like you look, it's terrifying. Like, I actually don't like being out there.

Tommy: Yeah, it's very high. How'd you get the bear? Tell us about this bear.

BMac: The bear. Well, taking you back to Shepparton, I went to Shepparton just for a bit of work and then I came back. And when I came back, my housemate was sort of filming me when I was coming back in. And I was like, this is weird, but like we always film each other on like Snapchat, Instagram. Um, and then I was just like, hey man, blah blah blah, and I'd like go to my room, open the door, and there's this huge bear that's like taking up the whole thing with a bottle of wine in its hand, and it looked like it was passed out on my bed.

Tommy: Was your housemate nude?

Kel: He was in the bed.

BMac: He was, uh, yeah, he just like it scared the shit out of me because like I had to open the door, turn on the light, and there's just this huge bear in my bed. And then, um, we just kept it, like we just put it in the corner. And then every time someone come over, they were just so obsessed with this bear. We just kept it in the corner and people were just taking photos with it.

Tommy: It's cute.

BMac: Can you look at you and stuff?

Tommy: Can you look it up? Costco bear, Costco giant bear. How much does it cost? Sit, find out.

BMac: Oh, and the thing was like there's like a big, like, shared rubbish space down the bottom, hard rubbish. And my housemate found it down there. So we were trying to think of like, what was the story? Maybe like someone broke up with someone, put it down there, dumped it, and then he just took it back up.

Tommy: Yeah.

BMac: And then like, he's put it down there. Wonder if it's still in the building.

Tommy: You've got a whole lot of internationals in your building.

BMac: Yeah, there's heaps, heaps. And the students.

Tommy: And so maybe they're just buying shit and they're like short term. And they're just like, I got to go. Daddy gave me all this cash. The amount of like fucking ridiculous bear. They're now going to podcast talking about this stupid purchase that they made once.

Josh: I could see buying a bear like that.

Tommy: It's fucking ginormous.

Kel: It'd be a good gift for like a girlfriend or wife.

Tommy: You got to have a, you got to have a place for it. Yeah, but where would you put it?

Kel: Oh, I don't know. I don't know room for it. But like Bernie, you put on your balcony.

Josh: You wouldn't want it outside with viewers.

Tommy: What did you do with it if you threw it out?

BMac: Well, I just got back. And then there was a bar like in the corner and I was like, where'd the bear go? And he's like, had to, had to get rid of it.

Kel: You could hook it to like, just bolt it to the like the wall. Like I just hung my TVs, massive effort, put the power out.

Tommy: Oh, you did?

Kel: Oh, it's like fucking— I drilled into a, you know, you gotta find the stud. I drilled into the fucking— gone.

BMac: How'd you feel after it? After you?

Kel: The whole fuck— I had to, I went back to—

BMac: huh? Did you get zapped?

Kel: No, no, no, no, but it burnt the shit out of the drill bit. Like, it went black. Like, yeah, did you find out how to get electrician?

Tommy: $70 secondhand.

Kel: Secondhand? Who buys a secondhand teddy bear?

Tommy: Yeah, who takes it from the dumpster?

Josh: Yeah, what if it's $70? If it's $70 old, you'd have to say be about $270 new, you'd think.

Kel: Yeah, small bear that I bought for my ex back like chef days. Remember, I did— you see, I bought a little bear. And it was— that cost me like $70, $60, and it was like, you know, like half a human.

Tommy: Like, hindsight, waste of money, right?

Kel: Yeah, yeah. I think I've thrown out some stuff.

Tommy: I mean, all presents given by exes, you know, like in a relationship, you break up, they're gone.

Kel: Nah, she took the jewelry.

Tommy: Oh, did she?

Kel: Yeah, she kept it.

Josh: Did she at least melt it down?

Kel: Probably. Sure, yeah, she kept it, Julie, but she wouldn't take the bit.

Tommy: Amy, I had this ring, this Tiffany Co ring. Which I really liked it. It was from an ex-girlfriend, had nothing, no sentimental value to me whatsoever. It was just like a silver ring with like a titanium sort of band. It was sick. And, um, I kept— I just had it there and Naomi found it. She's like, the fuck's this? Who gave you this? In the early days she was like, what is this? And then she found also— this is when I was in Shepparton. She also, because she came down from Sydney and stayed at the house while we were at work and shit, and she found some makeup.

Josh: This— I can just imagine you're at work and she's just fucking going through everything, rifling through the drawers.

Tommy: I don't think it was like that.

Kel: She just found all the, all the G-strings from his stripper days.

Tommy: So she found this makeup and she was like, the fuck's this makeup? I can't remember if she even said it to me, but I know she said fuck.

Kel: I've never seen her say fuck.

Tommy: She swears more now. Oh right, she swears like a trooper now. But I was like, that's my makeup.

Josh: Welcome to the world of Tommy Jacko.

Tommy: I had some makeup just a second Fix me up. Does that— but she thought it was a girl's.

Josh: It wasn't. I mean, I feel like I've seen a video of you doing like a cross— like, did you do TV stuff? Like, did you have to do regional TV stuff as well?

Kel: We did for the Weeknights, the regional— I was trying to think what it was called— because like there was a Channel 10 or like a whatever, the SCA 10.

Josh: Yeah, yeah.

Kel: Like the regional 10 that they— that SCA was running and they had like a local kind of a Current Affairs— not Current Affairs, but like stories, I suppose. It was kind of newsy, uh, show that came out of Shepparton. And so they asked the radio team, content team, to start doing, doing spots because they needed to fill 30 minutes.

Tommy: Was that on before we were in Shepparton? Do you remember, BMAC? Uh, like when you were growing up, was there weeknights?

BMac: I don't think there was weeknights. I think that was like something that came in about the time that you guys came.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah. I, I need to, um I mean, I felt it. I couldn't— I can't blame you for it, but I felt a bit of jealousy when I, um, was just looking on Facebook and I just see you fucking having conversations with the new breakfast host in Shepparton.

Kel: And I was like, have you been on those shows?

Tommy: Oh, I was like, I feel a bit—

Josh: yeah, Stacey started following you back.

Kel: Can we cheque in?

Tommy: Hype Man is on to the new breakfast host. He was on to me when I was there. We became good mates, comes to my wedding. Josh didn't even come to my wedding.

Kel: Did you even know Josh then though? Because to be fair, I'd never heard of you before this happened.

Josh: Sneaking in, I'm like that girlfriend that comes out of nowhere that's just sort of—

Kel: Yeah, there'll be a few of them too though, I'm sure. But no, like, as you know, I was like, where— like, you sort of came out of nowhere and I was like, who is this guy?

Josh: Because we're always working, like, when—

Kel: because you were—

Josh: we actually—

Kel: yeah, sorry.

Josh: Well, no, we actually met each other for the very first time would have been 2009.

Tommy: No follow, guys. I'm going to start unfollowing and following. It's my second.

Josh: Maybe one more.

Kel: Yeah. Tell me.

BMac: Yeah.

Josh: So Monash O-Week 2009.

Dylan: Wow.

Josh: I was filming for this company and Tommy was the presenter.

Kel: Oh, is that how far back it went?

Josh: So that's how. But then there was like no contact, right? We just did, you know, do the shoot and that was the—

Kel: it was just one and done.

Josh: Yeah. But then I guess like TJ is one of those people who just similar.

Kel: I think BMAC's got a similar vibe where they're just sort of fucking everywhere, you know.

Josh: Just sort of popping up.

Tommy: Definitely.

Kel: Yeah, they're both social butterfly types.

Josh: And so TJ would always be in the— I think when I was working at Fifi and Jules in digital content, TJ, you would have been doing— must have been on the back end of doing—

Tommy: Shepparton?

Josh: No, not Shepparton. I reckon you were street team. Did you ever do street team?

Tommy: Yeah, I did a bit of street team.

Josh: And you would have been coming in seeing Jules or whatever.

Kel: You were doing like Triple M. I did Triple M. Triple M, like red carpet shit.

BMac: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tommy: What do they call me? Man About Town there.

Kel: The Man on the Street.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Man on the Street.

Josh: But we reconnected probably, uh, what, 2015, 2016? And it was just at the— I was probably one of those friends where it's like, you, uh, with the start of our proper friendship was when like he was— his wedding was happening and all that sort of thing. So I'm sure we would have been on the phone.

Kel: Were you at the weddings? No, I wasn't there. Okay, because I've met some people, at least one, that like after the wedding that were like, oh, I was there, and I was like, ah, and I felt really bad. But I probably like— there was a lot of people there.

Tommy: You would have been pretty shit ass, Kel. That's fucking one of the worst, I know.

BMac: It's not good.

Tommy: Um, yeah, social butterflies have feelings too, mate. And I see this guy fucking just chatting, chatting away with Josiah, and I'm just—

Kel: is that the new brekkie show?

BMac: Yeah.

Tommy: So what's the deal, mate? What's this about?

Kel: Um, are you on there frequently, B-Mac? What's going on?

BMac: Uh, not on there as frequently as I was on you know. Yeah, Tommy and Candy.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, what the fuck?

Kel: Tommy and Stacy?

BMac: No, I don't know. I don't even know who that girl is.

Tommy: He'll talk what she follows. He'll talk what she follows.

BMac: Let me just check.

Kel: I definitely don't have a follow from her. Like, I'm almost certain.

Tommy: But yeah, nothing, nothing.

BMac: Yeah, no, Josiah, he's an all right guy. But, um, so I work at, um, a record label in the city and his best friend's best friend also works there. And then randomly he was like, do you know the new radio host in town? I was like, not really. He's like, my friend's in Shepp, blah blah blah. He's like, hook him up. So I made a phone call. It was like Saturday night. And then like, he couldn't believe it because this like whole tray of drinks, like 12 drinks and 12 shots just like came out. And I was like, enjoy your night. I was like, tell them to enjoy their night. And they called me back straight away and they were like, what the Like, thanks so much, bye-bye-bye. That's where it all started.

Tommy: I can't be pissed off, he's got me that many free drinks.

Kel: So many.

Josh: It's a big currency.

Tommy: Door entry.

Kel: So much cheap hotel drinks. Yeah, she follows your brother, Jacko. She follows the Daily Talk Show, so you're basically there, but probably just because of Josh.

Tommy: I mean, to be honest, I never fucking cared. I don't— I'm not offended. I don't care at all.

Kel: No, I haven't even thought about it until you brought it up, and now I'm— I'm— now I'm intrigued.

Tommy: Is it productive? Well, I don't know. So Josh found it.

Josh: Yeah. And they do it and say this. I end up looking like the fucking idiot amongst the whole thing because I was the one that uncovered it.

BMac: You discovered it.

Kel: Because I only recently discovered that. And I love her, so she's not going to mind. But Trace unfollowed me.

Tommy: Yeah.

Kel: And then I had a look because I thought maybe it's just me, but it's you. It's, it's Wally. Just anybody connected to Shepparton.

Tommy: I mean, hurt people hurt people, as Josh says.

BMac: Yeah.

Tommy: The radio shows, the different ones you you saw come up throughout your years living in Shepparton? Because there's probably a higher turnover of regional radio presenters than there is Melbourne shows. Melbourne Breakfast Show, 10 years, Matt and Joe. Yeah, um, Tracey and Matt. And, you know, what was your observation about the, um, the gronks that rolled into town?

BMac: Yeah, like, I think the turnover was so crazy, but like, everyone who came through Shepparton seems to be doing well. Like it's a big like, um, like stepping stone, I guess, in terms of your career. Like you hustle it out for like a couple years there or a year and you move on. That's what I always felt, especially with news reporters. Like everyone at like WIN News is like doing amazing things now. Um, but yeah, like with radio it was kind of like 1-year, 2-year stints. Like you really wouldn't see them.

Tommy: What about the people like actually integrating into those towns?

BMac: Yeah, um, like some are really good. Some were like— you were good. Like there were those people who were good, like if you talk to them. But I feel like a lot of them were just like a bit scared of the locals or something, or a bit scared to go out. They wanted to— I guess they moved their whole lives, and if they did, um, come from Melbourne, they're only a 2-hour trip away, so they go home. Um, whereas Josiah just to bring him up, he's from Sydney. So like he's like, you know, playing at a local soccer team. He's doing like some other things like within the community. I think that's because he's got further to travel.

Tommy: Yeah, he's from Sydney.

BMac: Yeah.

Kel: Yeah.

Josh: Were you in a sporting team? I mean, you were playing frisbee with the—

Tommy: gym and shit though. Like I got into—

Josh: You got into a gym?

BMac: Yeah.

Tommy: The people there, that community, like who's the Jackie, like all the people that worked at Jackie Byrne's brother place.

Josh: What about each other? The kebabs.

Tommy: And so you kind of, you leverage those. Yeah, those, you leverage the job to go and meet the people. If you're not a people's person, like if you, if we didn't drink, I don't think we would have met half the people.

Kel: Well, yeah, we planned to go to every bar slash pub. I don't think we actually did it, but you know, how many fucking bars and pubs are there? It's more than you'd think.

BMac: Dude, more than 6.

Kel: Yeah, yeah, there's like, there's lots, there's more than like, we, I mean, we ended up going to the same places just because we ended up getting free drinks.

Josh: But what's the population?

Kel: Greater?

Tommy: 30? No, it's 50 in the greater.

Kel: Is it that much?

Tommy: Okay, yeah. Oh, actually, yeah, greater Shepparton population, Mr. 97.

Josh: It's interesting. Yeah, it's interesting. The, um, do the locals understand national shows? Versus local shows? Like, is there any locals that actually think that Hamish and Andy are fucking doing this in the same studio as Tommy?

Kel: And that happened, from what I understand, before, before our time. But Will told us, our CD, that, that there would be some Shepp locals that would come in and be like, is Hamish and Andy here? And because they're coming out of, you know, it's like it's Shepparton radio.

Tommy: What did you think being back in primary school, like in high school?

BMac: I think, well, my dad was in journalism, so I was like always kind of knew that, you know, the big guys weren't there.

Tommy: Saw behind the curtain.

BMac: Yeah. But like to me, and this brings it back to like you and the community and stuff, like people who were on the radio were like kind of like famous in our town. And I still think kids like think they are as well. And especially with like social media and stuff these days, like it's like, oh, that's that guy off the radio, that's that girl off the radio. Because like, yeah, like they're on the radio every day. You hear them going to school, going home and stuff like that. So Like, I think there was this bit Sheplebrity sort of life about these radio hosts that come into town.

Kel: You remember Joel Crane had a fucking billboard, like, in some backwater of Shepparton, but he still had a— he's still a billboard.

Tommy: He was a host of that weeknights TV show.

Kel: He was.

Tommy: Spoke to Joel Crane today, actually.

Kel: Did you?

Josh: Yeah.

Kel: Do you still keep in contact with him?

Tommy: Yeah. Yeah.

Kel: Hello, Joel Crane, if you're listening.

Tommy: I told him you're coming on, on the show.

Kel: Did you?

Tommy: Yeah.

Kel: Okay. Yeah, he probably doesn't follow me.

BMac: Can't believe how much we're talking about Shepp.

Josh: No, this is weekend banter. This is what it's about.

BMac: When you said come in and then you're like, BMAC.

Kel: I'm like, ah yeah, it's all going to be about Shepparton because I'm not fucking from there.

Josh: Okay, but Tommy still talks about— I mean, how much has Tommy changed, uh, from Shepparton to now? What do you guys— what's the progress? What's the change with Tommy, do you think? Progress might not be the right word.

Kel: Progress, uh, I don't know, as in he's pretty much the same guy. He drinks less. A lot less, a lot less drinking. So I guess that's progress of a kind. Uh, he's, he's probably more mature. He's married, he's got a kid, all those things that come with— I mean, there's nothing like— he wasn't like, you know, shooting heroin or anything, and now he's turned over a new leaf. He was, you know, he's basically the same guy. Oh, is it still into fitness? Aren't you, Tate?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, into it.

Josh: We have people who listen, like, we've, um, we're on radio today, like the fucking industry sites a few months ago. And so we've gained a few listeners who are hosts in regional towns. They've got a show. What was your perspective of being in a regional town? And now where you are now, what's, what's your view on the whole thing?

Kel: Um, well, I worked in a couple of regional stations before. So my first commercial radio gig was Tamworth, which is like regional New South Wales, inland New South Wales.

Josh: What's Tamworth known for?

Kel: The Country Music Festival.

BMac: The big guitar.

Kel: Yeah, big golden guitar. Had a shot out of that. Yeah, a photo in front of that before I left. But it's actually a really— we've talked a lot about Shepparton, let's talk about Tamworth for a bit. No, it's actually a really cool town, a lot of live music. They've got their own sort of identity. So I had fun there. I spent a couple of years there.

Josh: Did you have to be a music guy? Like, I feel like if you go into one of those areas, you have to be all about the music.

Kel: I actually started gigging, you know, doing some weekends and stuff on and off when I was up there because I met a few musos and I've played music sort of all my life. But that's it. No, you don't have to be a music guy to sort of be in radio, but there is a lot of— it's their identity in many respects. Good town. But then, yeah, me and my co-host got moved to Wollongong and were there for about a year and then we got moved.

Josh: Obviously throughout the whole thing.

Kel: No. So it was Wave FM. Yeah. Super Radio Network. And then what's Wave Grant Broadcast?

Josh: And so just how do you actually jump ship? Is it that you fucking lose a job and then find another one, or do you have companies saying, hey, we like what you're doing, will you come across?

Kel: No, we sent— I think we sent demos. We sent— me and Walt sent some demos out from Tamworth because I was ready. I mean, this is the thing, so far away from Melbourne, so far away from home in Tamworth, and then like you stay there, you can't get home. Like the closest kind of beach is like Newcastle, which is 3 hours away.

Josh: So Shepparton must be like hitting the lottery if you're a Melbourne Bernie, in regards to regional?

Kel: Well, I thought it was when I first, when I first got the call that we're going to move, like, I was like, well, at least I can go home because it was so far away from home. It was really good. So, and I did, I did go back probably too much really and got a bunch of speeding fines. But yeah, every weekend I was back there. But yeah, you sort of send demos out and I mean, you would know, but yeah, you sort of sent, hope for the best and hopefully someone thinks you sound all right and put you on another show.

Tommy: Well, getting jobs while you have jobs is a weird thing because you've got to be using company time.

Josh: To get about that the other day with someone, Dan Illich, who's, you know, a great media personality. He was working at Al Jazeera. There was a story, an article about it where he was going for another job, did his fucking demo in the studio using the equipment, which I reckon we've all fucking done a version of that, right?

Kel: Yeah.

Josh: Well, he lost his job.

Kel: Quick story. We, me and, me and Wal, when we were, my co-host, we were in Wollongong on Wave FM home and we hated it and we wanted out. And so we, um, needed a studio and they monitored the— wait, I mean, whatever they're doing now, they might be different, but Wave FM was, you know, recording security in terms of getting in there after hours and recording a demo. And we sort of couldn't get an opportunity to get a demo together that we really wanted.

Josh: It's so fucking weird though, because it's the industry that you're in, isn't it? What do they expect you're going to be like?

Kel: Well, it was just— it was a, it was a bad scene up there. We weren't— I mean, we weren't loving it. I don't think I'm talking out of school. We do— our experience personally, I'm sure it's been great for everyone else.

Tommy: Um, no, they're fucked.

Kel: Yeah, yeah, great. But so we had to drive back. We got some interest from, from Triple M, as in the content guys in Melbourne, in terms of getting us into the network somehow. So we thought, well, how are we going to do this? We ended up driving back to Tamworth over a weekend and recording demos at nighttime at the old radio station in Tamworth because they liked you, getting up, getting something together and sending it off to Fitzie at Triple M. And then we got asked to do another one, so we ended up driving back.

Tommy: I know.

Kel: So we drove like, it was like 4 hours, you know.

Josh: Do you like driving?

Kel: One way? No, I hated it, especially with Wal. I was like, "Argh, enough." No, but yeah, it was like a massive, it was at that time a massive effort to sort of get some runs on the board and get, you know, get some demos together. Right now, like now I think, I don't know how we went to that much effort to do it, but at the time we were desperate to get out of Wollongong. We thought that was the only way we could do it. But we thought to get interest from SCA was a good thing. So yeah, we did everything we could and it was like the best way we could get some enough studio time to sort of craft something. And so we did it like midnight to like 4 in the morning.

Tommy: Jeez.

Kel: And then drove straight back and then drove. Yeah, pretty— oh, we— no, we stayed the night and then, and then because we had some friends in Tamworth and yeah, and, and he had— he was friends while we're still friends with the manager and he let us in and didn't tell anybody else that we were there. So we were kind of there.

Josh: Now have a podcast, The Poser Podcast.

Kel: That's right, yeah, The Poser Podcast. Check it out, it's on Spotify.

Josh: Yeah, what's the— I mean, what's the difference? Is it a different muscle going from doing radio to podcasting?

Kel: Yeah, totally. As I think you would, you would both know, uh, you know, you talk about the things you kind of have to talk about, and it's kind of very limited and structured with any commercial radio station.

Josh: Um, and now you're talking political— what is it? Politics, sex, religion.

Kel: That was the reason we called it Poser. Obviously it deviates from that, but that was kind of the original idea. We we both sort of— I'm not particularly politically minded, but we both kind of, you know, we wanted to discuss slightly heavier issues, things that you never kind of would ever chat about on, on any commercial radio.

Josh: Is that almost harder? Like, I feel like sometimes opening it up, not having the restrictions, when you can start talking about everything, do you start actually working your own limitations? Like, fuck, we can talk about this thing now, but I actually can't be fucked, like, entering into it.

Kel: Sometimes I feel like certain things are a little bit draining. Um, And we also— because it's kind of, it's just left to us, and you two would obviously know, uh, you kind of battle with each other a little bit in terms of what you think's important, the kind of guests that you might want to have on. And you know, it's just a small little podcast, but you know, we've had guests that I was like, ah, you know, really, what are they bringing to the table? Uh, all of them I've loved, don't get me wrong, but beforehand it's like, I— and so it's like, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna die on this hill.

Tommy: But yeah, yeah, that's why you just do lots of them, because then I mean, I've thought that at times, but then it's— if you look at it, everyone has something to say. Everyone is, you know, there's something interesting about most of them.

Kel: That's absolutely true. And the thing is, I'm really interested in people and I like to think I'm a conversationalist. So, I— You're a people's person. Yeah, I'm a people person. So, I'd like, you know, I think everyone's got their own storey and I like to get that out of them. And I like to, you know, the freedom to have an open long-form conversation. I, you know, it's super fun to me. I really, really enjoy it.

Tommy: Which is the opposite of radio, which is the opposite of radio.

Kel: I mean, and compared to sort of, you know, I'm like a workday jock, just, you know, just, you know, work weekends, whatever, just doing music shifts for a radio station in Melbourne. That's 30-second grabs, you know, that's like, that's, you know, basically saying that, you know, there's tickets up for grabs and that Bieber's 15 minutes away. So, you know, and as look, there's an art to that as well, but obviously it's not really the same thing.

Josh: Is there a place for regional radio as a mechanism to, um, be a broadcaster, do you think? Or like, if you would— if you were having your day again in 2019, would you go straight to the Poser podcast, or would you be doing, you know, going to Tamworth? Oh no, do we have a follow, by the way?

Kel: Nothing yet, we're just checking on the Stacey June following.

Josh: How would you do that if this was a news thing? Because I started listening to an audiobook about radio. If you had to report on that You'd have to say, like, no official—

Tommy: Interrupt this break for a— Interrupt this.

Kel: Yeah, we've got breaking news. Stacey June has followed back.

Josh: Well, we have reports. We— Have we got confirmation yet? We've got reports. We've got no confirmation until we actually have anyone from the—

Tommy: I was on the like train, just up, just like—

Kel: Have you just been like just hitting the likes? Like, just go back real creepy and get back from 2013.

Tommy: Just hit the like button. I like— Yep. Last couple of photos.

Kel: Um, not to get sidetracked, I would do it differently if I had my time again, Josh. Um, I think, you know, I was super green, super naive when I first— as everyone is when you get into— and I just— as everyone just said, you've got to go regional, you've got to get some, some hours in if you want to be on air, all the rest of it. And look, there's still— I'm not saying don't do it, and if you want to be— there's only limited opportunities to be on air. But realistically, I would, you know, I'd try— I mean, I joined the street team, you know, at wherever in Melbourne if I had, if I had my time again. And I'd start a podcast and I'd do content off my own bat and I'd stay in Melbourne because I think it speaks to— this is honestly what I believe. I'm saying if you have an opportunity to go, you know, wherever, I'm not saying don't do it, but me, yeah, I feel like it was a lot of time wasted.

Josh: So potentially what you're saying is you'd be better off taking a sideline role like a digital content producer in a metro market than I think it's important to get in the door.

Kel: Absolutely. Because you're in the door when you're— because you're in their face, they know who you are, as opposed to sending just a random email account sends you, hey mate, can you have a listen to this? This is my last break from Friday. And you know, as much everybody's doing that, and as much as you know, in theory it's a good idea, and in theory they should want to help you and want to listen, it doesn't mean as much as actually, you know, having contact with someone, knowing their name, knowing their face, being able to have a conversation with them and saying, hey Hey, have a listen to this.

Tommy: It means a lot more. How are you?

Josh: Do you guys have residual, like, fans? Like, now, like, because you move on from market to market, do you— is your Instagram or, you know, social media?

Kel: Yeah, there's like a few Tamworth and— no, none in Wollongong. We didn't develop any fans in Wollongong, but there's certainly a few Tamworth.

Josh: Are they doing surveys? Like, do you get, like, in regional areas, you're getting fucking—

Kel: Wollongong got surveyed, but they're, they're a competitive market. Um, whereas—

Tommy: and regional gets surveyed, like Shepparton gets surveyed, but it's kind of like If I doubt the survey in metro markets, I highly doubt the surveys in fucking regional towns in terms of actually understanding who's listening.

Kel: I genuinely don't know what it means. I remember sitting there and they're reading out all these numbers for like, you know, Shepparton's come up. I'm like, yeah, but no one else is like, what's it, the ABC?

Tommy: They actually partnered with the Jehovah's Witness who would knock on doors.

Josh: Would they really?

Kel: I'm joking.

Tommy: That's not fucking bad idea.

Josh: No, it's solid.

Tommy: Just two for one, Jehovah and than the, uh, old mates over here.

Kel: Yeah.

Tommy: Um, you, BMAC, have a— what I love about you, we spent some great arvos drinking beers and just talking shit and listening to music.

BMac: You did.

Tommy: You, you have a, uh, a great knack for seeing people who are about to pop.

BMac: Yeah.

Tommy: I don't know, what, what is it about that?

BMac: Um, I don't know, I think it was just being like in a regional area, not getting the opportunity myself, um, with different things from sport to music.

Tommy: Oh, you met— tell us about when you hit up, um, DJ Snake. Uh, along with being the hype man, he's also the greatest hype man for himself, infiltrating people's fucking inner sanctums.

BMac: Yeah, I can even hardly remember what happened, but it was like way before he blew up.

Tommy: This DJ Snake, he's huge.

BMac: Yeah, he pretty much has changed the game of like pop music in the last like 4 years, 5 years, um, just in terms of the sound. Yeah, um, but yeah, like ages ago he was on like SoundCloud and I was following him and I'm just like, this is the craziest sounds like I've heard in such a long time. It was so unique.

Josh: How are you seeking that stuff out? Like, are you actually actively— what do you type in?

BMac: Sometimes I'm just like, it just trends, like it just follows your algorithm, like like you might like someone and it'll just be like, it'll suggest listen to this person and it'll get you onto this. And sometimes like they'll only have like, you know, a couple hundred followers, but like it'll just somehow find it for you. If not, like I'm searching for music myself, just like, um, trending, seeing who's getting or who's working with someone over here. Or I know that like all the musicians who work together, it's like, oh, that's not just that's not just Justin Bieber, who wrote that song? So I'll go through and I'll find out who wrote it. Then I'll go through that and I'll figure out what songs they wrote or who they're following on SoundCloud or things like that.

Josh: So not Stacey June.

Tommy: Yeah, you just get in these—

Kel: This is horrible. This is horrible.

Tommy: Because she needs to be following me.

Kel: She doesn't follow me either. She follows Josh. I don't think she follows BMAC. I don't know, guys.

Josh: She knows. She picks talent.

Kel: Is it because— I think she probably thinks you've got nice—

Dylan: I'm no shepherd.

Josh: Well, I'm— I don't have the Shepparton stink on you.

Kel: Yeah, stink is such a— no, I mean, you're telling storeys at this moment, guys.

Tommy: How about we don't tell storeys and we just bring it down to a mistake?

Kel: That she's— you mean the reason that she's not following you? Yeah, that's a mistake.

Tommy: But yeah, it just happened, you know, doing a bit of a car loop.

Kel: Whoops. Nah, I reckon so.

Tommy: That's, that's the story. It serves me better.

Josh: You're very good at not telling stories.

Tommy: I don't need to. You don't need to.

Kel: Do you not divulge too much into your own—

Tommy: Never, actually, never. Like, I never fucking— never. I mean, you're the guy that tells me, like, I end up doing because of you, but I literally—

Kel: You don't share much of yourself, like, in terms of your personal—

Josh: I think since the podcast—

Tommy: Sorry, what do you mean?

Josh: That's changed.

Tommy: I thought you meant just like look into my social, like, look into who's following who.

Kel: No, no, no, I'm talking about what you divulge on the show.

Tommy: Oh shit, like, yeah, that's what I was going to say, you know.

Kel: So when you say don't tell storeys No, no, no, no, stories.

Tommy: You're telling a storey because we don't know which— if that's true or not. Yeah, we don't know what's there.

Kel: We don't know why she doesn't follow you.

Tommy: So right now what you guys are storytelling to serve a narrative.

Kel: What do you mean? You mean wedding drama? Speculating.

Josh: Yeah, which is what you mean.

Tommy: We tell everything as a story. We're telling our storeys about fucking this junkie walking towards me, what it all means.

Josh: How do you feel? Yeah, seriously, what do we— how do we feel?

Kel: He's probably looking for more junk, I'd say.

Josh: What about as a story, as a way of turning it positive? Yeah. What about if all of our listeners— Stacey's got a great podcast, The Stacey June Show. How about this? What about if you follow Stacey June on Instagram?

Tommy: Just @staceyjune.

Josh: And just say, came here from Tommy Jacket.

Tommy: Yeah. Tommy Jacket sent me here.

Kel: Yeah, I think it probably is a mistake. I don't want to get further into this, but I'm sure— I think it is, StoryFuck.

Tommy: You're looking guilty because your storey's changing over here, mate. I think I appreciate it, I appreciate it. But, um, I wonder if there's going to be like algorithms or shit to be able to find people who pop. Like, you work at a record label. Yeah, I wonder if you can— the SoundCloud thing, the finding the producer, the, the young kid that feels like Mark Garrincha.

Josh: It like homogenises the whole thing though in some ways. Like, from a Spotify point of view, it's like we're all going to be fucking listening to the same sort of shit because we're going to be all in the same sort of algorithms maybe.

BMac: Even like Beyond like just music platforms, it's like, just say Instagram, like you'll see people in the top and it's like, oh, why is that person in the top? And you'll click on that and it's like, it's how 6ix9ine blew up pretty much. Um, and there's all these artists like that are blowing up off TikTok who are making like 30-second—

Josh: can you explain TikTok?

BMac: It's pretty much just like, do you remember Vine? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's pretty much like Vine but with music and videos. And people just trend on certain, like, verses or hooks, and they'll just do their own dance to it, or, you know, create like a little film out of it. And, um, artists are like starting to like get paid off TikTok. Like, they're getting paid off Instagram where you can put their music on now. Um, so like TikTok is really like blowing up. Like, it's the fourth biggest app app in the world. And so if you're like trending on TikTok, like you're gonna have like a platinum single.

Josh: Should we be on TikTok?

BMac: Get on TikTok.

Tommy: Yeah, you should.

Kel: There's a podcast.

BMac: Get on TikTok, like you'll be like, you'll be ahead. Like Australia is still so far behind, but like if you're there now, like you can still go.

Josh: Because I've seen like videos, it's not too late, it's not too late. So it's early. Okay, because I did like, they do the videos where it's like, on my first day in Australia, oh g'day, how you going? And it's like fourth day in Australia, g'day, cunts! Like that sort of thing.

Tommy: Yeah, but that's—

Josh: it seems easy comedy in some regards.

Tommy: There's effort, there's complexity.

Josh: We do this fucking definitely 7 days a week. Yeah, we could do a TikTok a day.

Kel: Yeah, you can do a TikTok a day.

Tommy: Far out.

BMac: Can you do that shit?

Tommy: No, you know what, I'd prefer—

Josh: what's— you've got a look for TikTok?

Kel: I don't know, I've not heard of this until you mentioned it just then.

Tommy: TikTok.

Kel: I feel like I'm super out of this.

Josh: Current Affair did a A Current Affair did an— well, Current Affair talked about it the other day.

BMac: Tracey Grimshaw?

Josh: Yeah. She got ticked off? No, but no, but the paedophiles love it.

Kel: Oh God. Is that right? Is it that? It's become that.

Tommy: Because you probably get young, young boys and girls fully dolling up doing fucking little—

Kel: yikes. Yeah, that's crazy. So is it an app?

Josh: I'm sorry to be so ignorant.

Kel: So young people doing very, very short Is it exclusively just young people?

Josh: Either young or extremely old. Not really in between.

Kel: But it's an app on your phone and it's an app on your phone and everyone follows you like they follow Instagram and they just load up little Insta storey kind of thing.

Josh: But it's, it's surrounded around music. So I think it would musically.

Kel: But that's like a karaoke thing, right?

Josh: Nah, because there's no talent. No, there's no talent in karaoke either. But rather than using their singing voice, it's all miming. And so there is a layer of attractiveness that hot people do well on TikTok because it's like how hot people do well on Instagram, just like how people did well on Instagram.

Kel: Yeah, now they've gotten rid of the likes. Yeah, do you think that's going to have an impact on—

Tommy: I can still see them. I don't— yeah, I don't care about other people's likes other than when I was— yeah, I've never given a shit ever when I'm doing—

Kel: but ours— yeah, you care about yours.

Tommy: Exactly, that's why you can still see your own. So I don't know the real problem other than I would look for high-liked content because I'm trying to work out just what everyone's fucking thinking.

Kel: I think it'll—

Tommy: but I don't—

Kel: I think it'll make it a more genuine, organic— like, in terms of the content that's being liked, I think it'll make it more, more genuine as opposed to people being influenced by the amount of likes that something gets.

Tommy: So what— I mean, what, what's the mindset, mind state of the person who is posting because they want other people to see the amount of likes they get?

Kel: Yeah, it's not— what is that, crazy narcissism?

Josh: Like, which we all are.

Kel: Yeah, we're all narcissists for sure.

Tommy: Maybe I'm—

Kel: it's the level of success that a post has.

Josh: Maybe I just can't explain.

Tommy: I just feel it for me when I see the fucking number for myself. I'm like, oh yeah, yeah. I'm not thinking, oh yeah, fucking how good is this going to look on other people?

Kel: No, but as in anybody that— anybody— I think a lot of people are influenced by the fact, like, if you see Selena Gomez post something and it's got, I don't know, 300, 400, 500,000, million likes or whatever.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, I love that. The idea that you'd be so like disconnected for like 200 or 300 likes, crazy, like huge numbers.

Tommy: She's got about 80 million followers or something fucking outrageous.

Kel: She was the— no, no, she's more than that. It's, uh, she's 150, 155. She was the most followed, and then it was— I keep up to date with this— the Cristiano Ronaldo was the most followed, and I think it might even be Messi. There might be a Kardashian.

Tommy: I'll tell you a weird one, um, Vin Diesel was like one of the biggest Facebook pages of all time for a long time.

Kel: That's weird.

Josh: What's the thing that people go to pubs and they do questions?

Tommy: Trivia.

Josh: Trivia.

Kel: Yeah.

Josh: Well, what's the actual name? Is it trivia? No, it's like pub trivia. Yeah, I feel like you'd be great at trivia. Maybe the frisbee thing. That's a fucking great—

Kel: I looked that up because we wanted to like, I don't know, somehow I was like, we should do a video about the origins of frisbee. So I did some research.

Josh: All the num— like, you sort of you know where it's Instagram, like who's got the— the TikTok thing is a blind spot for you.

Kel: But it is, that's a just like radio content, like as in just a quick, you know how if you, if you're doing a music shift you need, yeah, you need however many breaks and you've got to have, you know, a little tidbit each time.

Tommy: This guy has so much fucking general knowledge around music. And I was saying the other day, what's something that we should know? What's something that you've, you've identified, B-Mac? Of recent?

Kel: Recent?

Josh: While you think about that, the Taylor Swift thing that's happening at the drama at the moment.

Tommy: Yeah, that's the perfect example. What's going on there with Scooter? Yeah, with Scooter, your boy Scooter. Do you know about this?

BMac: Yeah, I know about it.

Tommy: Um, does he want to comment?

Josh: Yeah, it's all too quiet.

BMac: Scooter's my boy.

Kel: Are you staying out of it?

BMac: Yeah, I don't want this to get back to Taylor or Scooter. Right, right, right.

Josh: But the thing is, like, with that, like, are you happy to answer to the Stacey June drama?

Tommy: Pick your fights. I'm just checking.

Kel: Also, do we have an update on that?

Tommy: Um, nothing yet.

Kel: Okay, cool.

BMac: Yeah, I think with like the whole Taylor Scooter thing is like, it's so crazy for her to say that, um, she didn't know about this deal about Scooter buying the rights to her music, the publicity, because she's so big and like she definitely knew. Like deals, deals over like $10K are important to an artist because at one stage you never had money. So like, if this deal is worth like, you know, $50, $100 million, like, you're gonna know about it before it's happened.

Josh: Sorry, I was just doing this thing.

Tommy: So the, the fact that her dad also knew— her dad was a part of the— he owned part of the record label, so he would have been making money from that.

Kel: Yeah, Swift's dad knew. So in terms of the masters, I mean, it's not uncommon for for people not to own their masters.

BMac: Yeah, yeah.

Kel: Uh, it's, it's actually—

Josh: what was that? Sorry, what is it?

Kel: So they're— so they're master— like, they're master tracks, like the original recording track. The label usually owns that, and they take a piece of everything. And that's how it's always worked up until more recently. Like, an example, Metallica is one of the few sort of big stadium rock acts that actually found— went and got their masters back, bought them off, and started their own label. So they take 100% of it.

Josh: Another good fact.

Tommy: What about the Rolling Stones guy? Mick Jagger and that allowed that guy who wrote that track. Yeah, that was to get his song back because they—

Kel: With Bittersweet Symphony from The Verve.

Dylan: Yeah.

Kel: Bittersweet.

Josh: You and I, we don't know the facts, but we know the prompter for the facts. There was a guy and the other guy.

Tommy: Yeah, that's why these guys come in. What happened there?

Kel: So The Verve. So The Verve, they took, uh, they bought the riff from— I think it was The Last Time, the song was The Last Time from The Stones. Um, it was just a riff that they used, and they used an orchestrated riff in their song Bittersweet Symphony. Um, and it went number one, that song, when it was— I don't know, late '90s or something, maybe earlier than that. Um, and after it went number one, Rolling Stones eventually litigated and took them to court and argued that they, even though they'd allowed them to take the riff they didn't allow them to take the orchestrated riff. So they were a very early— it was a very, uh, they were a very young band, and they effectively legally rolled over and gave them the entire rights to that song. So they own 100% of all the revenue that comes from that.

Josh: So that's who's— that's Rolling Stones. So Rolling Stones are cunts, basically.

Kel: Yes. And apparently, from what I understand, they even accepted the award for that song at a couple of—

Tommy: oh, fucking Mick and Keith got up and then, and then they, uh, recently, it's like, you know, Mick and Keith are giving it back. They've given him back. And so he actually charted— it went to number 1 or something. Yeah, because everyone was like, let's fucking get it up there again because he's got it back. It's a great day.

Kel: And late thing is quite apparently quite like it kind of ruined them. Like he was quite burnt about it and it was quite a saga.

Josh: The idea of being sued in general, I'm just so glad I'm not being sued right now.

Tommy: It doesn't happen as much.

Kel: Would there be anything? What would someone might sue you for?

Josh: Defamation. Yeah, definitely defamation.

Kel: Stashing jewellery. Exactly. It was following all the whole time.

Josh: Yeah, I know.

Kel: Fuck you, man. Are you risking—

Josh: I mean, and that's, that's the thing that I'm—

Tommy: no, but she's, she is going to get a bunch of followers from the Gronk Squad.

Kel: Yeah, she will.

Tommy: That's right.

Kel: I'd follow her if I wasn't already following.

Josh: But I think you could argue with the Rolling Stones thing. It's like, oh, we just expanded their— you could put a positive spin on what was—

Tommy: I don't think we— no one's going to be sued. The thing about suing people is it costs a lot of money. Yeah, and so unless you got someone bankrolling it, uh, the famous lawsuit, uh, against Hulk Hogan sued, uh, the radio station. No, they sued, oh, um, Gawker. Yeah, took down Gawker. Peter Thiel allegedly— because he'll probably sue us.

Kel: Is he from PayPal?

Josh: Pete?

Tommy: He's the founder along with Elon Musk. He's a billionaire dude.

Kel: Anyway, yeah, he's the one that took him down.

Josh: Yeah, well, Gawker released—

Kel: yeah, because he— they exposed that he, of his orientation, right?

Tommy: Well, that's why, because they were, yeah, he, that's why they said that he was pissed. Yeah, I think so. He wasn't, they weren't getting sued because Gawker called Peter Thiel gay.

Josh: No, it was because Peter was pissed about it.

Tommy: He was pissed and has money. And so my point is, if you have money, don't piss off a billionaire. Anybody, if you had a heap of cash, you can take it.

Josh: But the interesting thing was he wasn't being, he, it wasn't like Peter Thiel was suing them Petitil was supporting someone who could sue, like Hulk Hogan, who could, which is fascinating.

Kel: But it's a date, like when you think about, I mean, our legal system might not be that different, I suppose. Realistically, if you've got enough money, you can manipulate it to your will, the legal system.

Tommy: So you could say that someone's done something, build a case against it.

Kel: If it's like slanderous comment or a lie.

Josh: Yeah, I wonder what if podcasting, whether that shit's going to become more common. I mean, all of our, all our episodes are transcribed. So you could go on out, you could Google something and find some shit that we've said that we don't even believe now but upset someone.

Kel: Yeah, I wonder, I don't actually know, I probably should, I don't actually know what the, what the law is in terms of what you can just sort of rattle off on a, on a podcast.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, you, you'd probably have more of a sensibility around allegedly using that term in what you talk about.

Kel: Yeah, I've, I mean, anytime that anyone's brought something, I've, I've tried not to be like I don't want to say anything that will come back to me.

Tommy: I mean, we've all got angry about George Pell, used his name.

Josh: Oh, I haven't used his name once.

Kel: I haven't. We did a whole podcast on George Pell.

Josh: You can say it now, can't you?

Kel: Yeah, well, Darren Hinch, I think that was— went to jail for the, for the naming the pedophile. It's a real crazy— that's a bit of a crazy law, but I suppose it's, it's in place to protect the innocent based on your innocent until proven guilty.

Josh: But it's also like, it's also to if they want to build a case and do all that sort of shit, it's got to go through the right processes. Otherwise people just— based on your media status, you can fucking get people in jail and shit.

Kel: Yeah.

Josh: Um, it's interesting though, a few criminals out of Shepparton. Uh, where's the closest jail?

Tommy: Durrangarh.

BMac: Yeah.

Kel: Did you go up there?

BMac: Community, like, more easy one.

Tommy: No, I mean, it's like a hipster prison.

BMac: Like, it's like where people go for like tax evasion.

Tommy: It's also where people go at the back end of their sentence if they 15 years, they actually end up there.

Josh: It's like a halfway home.

Kel: Did you go meet a mate, Jacket, when you were up there?

Tommy: I went up and visited a dude in jail there.

Kel: Yeah.

Tommy: And it's still fucked. I mean, but they can run away because it's— there's— the whole thing is you're trying to rehabilitate back into the system. That's their thought.

BMac: Into society. Yeah.

Tommy: Yeah. Some people don't think rehabilitation is possible.

Josh: I watched a doco where they, um, in the US, they make number plates. Is that how our number plates are made? Do you know?

Tommy: They do, they do do shit. They're like sewing, there's like, you get jobs in jail. I mean, none of us have ever been to jail, but I know my friend was working. You make a bit of cash. Yeah, I mean, fucking the guilt would— the guy closest to actually going to jail knocks on wood.

Kel: Hey man, what have you done? What did you do?

Tommy: I'm not needing to knock on wood because I'm not doing shit.

BMac: I was just thinking about jail, I was like, shit, bro, have you ever—

Tommy: any mates you went to school with gone to jail?

BMac: Um, yes, yes.

Josh: It's a bit of a showstopper, isn't it, that question, in some ways?

Tommy: Well, I want to know more.

Kel: B-Mac doesn't want to say anymore though, that's the problem.

BMac: That's— ain't no snitch, man.

Kel: I mean, you're one of the greatest snitches.

BMac: He's actually a really big fan of this show, so I can't like, you know.

Josh: My favourite number is triple zero. I'm very, um, I'm the reason why they're doing that big campaign at the moment, 13 1-444 if you don't need the sirens.

Tommy: Don't fucking call 000.

Josh: They've had a bunch of people just fucking, you know, social media's down.

Kel: Is that about like, are they expecting people to just call the police station?

Josh: Yeah, yeah, it's basically calling emergency, like, but you wouldn't know if you needed, like, I think part of it is like, so say if you got broken into, you know, you come back to your car and there's a smashed window, you don't need to call 000.

Tommy: Oh yeah, no, I bet people call emergency, call emergency.

Kel: Yeah, my, my brother's a paramedic. People, people call. He went out to a call because someone couldn't get his shoes off. I'm not fucking around.

Josh: And about how long was he trying to call?

Kel: Car accident, bleeding to death, and they've got to go to this fucking first call.

BMac: Oh my God. On the way here, I was driving.

Kel: Let's see you go either way. I'm going to jail.

BMac: I was driving down Bridge Road and then like this Deliveroo driver like stopped in front of this other scooter and there's two guys on a scooter behind him like together and they just like full skidded in front of my car, like fell on the like road and crashed.

Josh: Oh no.

BMac: And I'm like, oh shit. Like I had my phone down there and I was like, like I was like checking directions of how to get here and like this scooter like come and like crashed in front of the car and I'm like, oh shit.

Josh: Yeah, just slam on your brakes.

BMac: Yeah. Oh, I just stopped. I'm like, like they got up like straight away. It wasn't like a heavy crash but like like we all kind of stopped and we're like, fuck, I've never seen it before. It's just really wet road and it was kind of like on the tram track.

Tommy: Oh, tram track, really?

BMac: Like, it's like concrete as opposed to like road.

Tommy: I mean, oil rigs, Uber scooter riders, some of the dangerous jobs of our generation.

Kel: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was scary. Yeah, well, you get yourself into trouble, could end up in prison as an Uber driver. You don't know what might happen. I will say about, about prison, like, I had only one guy you know, that I used to be mates with, who ended up being in prison a couple of different times. And he was— he had a fairly criminal temperament, and the prison didn't do anything for him good, and it just effectively made him worse. He did eventually go on and turn his life around, became really religious and had a family.

Tommy: But this is the dude you bumped into?

Kel: Yeah, this is the dude I bumped into in Shepparton that I knew from Melbourne.

Tommy: Shepparation. Hasn't seen this dude in years. He comes home and he's like, I just saw a fucking ghost. I saw— I just saw this guy.

Kel: Well, he came up to me in the gym and he was like, kill. And I was like, was he just— where? Yeah. Oh my God, he's always been a weapon. But like, he got into a whole bunch of trouble in Melbourne, um, and was very, very involved with a bunch of same drug dealing, all the rest of it. And then eventually did go, um, to prison, um, and before— like, before— eventually did turn his life around. But before that happened, he ended up just getting worse into it. He networked, he met more criminals that he was going to get involved with after he got out. And that is what happened. So I would, I would question sometimes the system of locking people up together like that.

Tommy: It's what I said, you know, they— because we had Mick Hall who spent time in Pentridge, some of the hardest prisons up in the Gold Coast, like Queen— Brisbane, high security in jail with Chopper at the time. And I said, it's for real, like they're trying to rehabilitate. And he's—

Josh: it was a bit like, come on, it's like sending all fat people to McDonald's and locking them in.

Kel: It is similar to that. Yeah, it's akin to that.

Josh: I suppose you still got the nuggets.

Tommy: Oh, a podcast, um, Can't Fight Fate, uh, a bikie, um, who's from Sydney. Yeah, western suburbs. I fucking love it. I can't get enough of it.

Josh: He talks about gronks.

Tommy: He calls back gronks, but he doesn't like gronks. Whereas we're the Gronk Squad.

Kel: But can I ask, what's the— what are the— like, I know because I'm following you, I still follow you guys.

Josh: And Tommy.

Kel: Yeah, I still, I still follow him, at least up till today. Yeah. Um, what is it? Where did Gronk come from?

Tommy: I started using it, it's one of my favourite words. My brother and I used it quite a lot when we were younger, and I just fucking love the word Gronk. It just is fun.

Kel: But is this how— what you were like, your fans, like, you know how Lady Gaga calls them?

Josh: Yeah, it's a community.

Kel: Yeah, so it's your fan base now.

Tommy: Watch how you fucking talk about them.

Kel: I've got nothing but love for the Gronks. We'll send the fucking Gronks on you. I needed to get it worked out what they fucking were first.

Josh: All right, so Gronks are imperfect. Yeah, they might fucking put something in the bin when there isn't a fucking bin liner in it.

Tommy: Yeah, but we've all done it.

Kel: We've all done it.

Tommy: We're just— it's— you basically just A Gronkh is selfish at times. Yes. A Gronkh is your best mate who's funny, who has your back. So it's quite versatile, as I like to say.

Kel: Yeah, anyone could probably qualify to be a Gronkh.

Tommy: Oh no, we're just trying to lower the barrier.

Kel: It's a very inclusive squad.

Tommy: Mate, the Gronkh Squad.

Kel: I would be that because now that I'm in the apartment putting out the trash and there is the note on the, you know how you get the drop?

Tommy: The chute. The chute.

BMac: Yeah.

Kel: And it's like, don't put You gotta take the glass bottles down.

BMac: Yeah.

Kel: And I just keep—

Tommy: Confessions of a Gronk.

Kel: I just keep putting the beers in there. I just keep putting the beers in there.

Tommy: Confession of a Gronk.

Josh: Yeah, you are a Gronk. So you gotta go to thedailytalkshow.com and sign up as a Gronk Squad member.

Dylan: Yeah.

Kel: What are the benefits of being a Gronk Squad member?

Josh: You get a name now, once today actually.

Kel: Do I get updates?

Tommy: You get updates, exclusive content, and mate, you've been on the show. You're a part of the Gronk Squad, part of the family.

Kel: Yeah, beautiful.

Tommy: You're an absolute Gronk. And yeah, that podcast Can't Fight Fate, it's fucking sick. He talks about just being in jail. Like, he's such a good storyteller, this dude. He's a— I mean, he's, uh, John Ibrahim's cousin.

Kel: Ah, yeah, right.

Tommy: And so he grew up in some—

Josh: I don't know who that is.

Tommy: He's a Sydney nightclub owner.

BMac: That—

Josh: a promoter?

Tommy: Well, he's the owner, creative director. He's been in Underbelly, like they made series about him. Him is a weapon. Anyway, that's his cousin, and he's just grown up amongst that fucking bikie scene. He's a bikie since he was 14, and it's just fascinating hearing the storeys of being in jail over in Adelaide and shit. Like, it's— oh, it's— yeah, it's— I've just found myself like an hour later, oh, what the fuck would I have been doing?

Josh: Yeah, sorry, I actually scared you, guys. Uh, next time we need to actually do some form of road trip, have a reason to go back to Shepparton, maybe do an outside broadcast.

Kel: I haven't been back. You've— I mean, Tommy, you've been back, and obviously Bernie's from there, but I've not been back there once. Not even once.

BMac: I've got a great idea. We should all road trip, everyone in this room.

Kel: Land of Plenty.

BMac: To Land of Plenty. Yeah, there's a festival happening.

Dylan: What is it?

BMac: Shep?

Josh: The music festival? I've never been to a festival before.

Tommy: Free tickets? Free tickets?

BMac: This will be awesome. Yeah, let's do it.

Kel: Yeah, I'm in. What is it called though?

Josh: What is it called?

Tommy: Land of Plenty.

Josh: Land of Plenty.

Kel: Illy's headlining, right?

BMac: Yeah. One of the things—

Kel: Illy's on, Ocean Alley's playing. One of the things is when I was in Shep, I was like, there was—

Josh: we need to I don't even know the date.

Tommy: There was never music festivals when we were a child.

Josh: Guys, we don't even know the date yet.

BMac: November 2nd. Saturday.

Josh: Yeah, perfect.

Tommy: Cup weekend.

Josh: November 2nd.

Kel: That will be, uh, that's a good memory on you.

Tommy: It's about just Sorey's promotional work.

Kel: I was gonna say that. I would never know that. Like, that's something.

Josh: Is it right?

Tommy: Am I right?

BMac: Yeah, no, you're right. Yeah, it's like, yeah, Cup weekend. Do you want to support horse racing or do you want to have a great time?

Tommy: Yeah.

BMac: In a place you've never been before with some great bands.

Josh: Yeah, that will be episode, it's like episode 503 for us.

Tommy: Can you get, um, Eli's headlining. Can you get Eli on our show? Eli's your mate.

BMac: We'll get him.

Tommy: Can you get him into the Daily Talk Show?

BMac: He's back at the moment, so let's get him on.

Tommy: Yeah, huge promotional—

Josh: No, it sounds like a promise.

Kel: Can we get the show going from Shepparton to Plenty?

Tommy: That'd be cool.

BMac: Yes, let's do that.

Tommy: Backstage.

Josh: Yeah, right. So we could be like—

Kel: People here helping your show out. So it's almost— Are you all being paid? Like, are you fucking— This is unbelievable.

Josh: It's like Channel V, like, will be the, the, the new channel. Is Channel V— do they still—

Kel: no, is it a thing? Is it a music—

Josh: is it— I mean, you would know.

BMac: Yeah, well, it's more like MTV are like doing really great things for Australian music right now.

Josh: Yeah, I'd say like, who owns MTV in Australia?

BMac: Um, I wouldn't know.

Josh: I'd say 97. Who owns MTV?

Kel: Shouldn't wait for that, just keep talking. Let him do it.

Josh: Yeah, that'd be right. No, that's just the best.

BMac: Viacom or Viacom Networks.

Josh: I think that's the American Do they own the Australian MTV? Like, I wonder who owns the MTV license. I'm just curious.

Kel: In Australia, broadcaster.

Josh: Well, yeah, I'm just, I'm just curious.

Kel: It would be absolute fuck.

Josh: Well, because if they're supporting it, I'm just curious as who the fuck is—

Tommy: they're not support— they're supporting music in general.

Josh: Yeah, but they're— someone's putting up the cash to be able to do this. I want to know, are they fucking a good company that's got a lot of life in them, or is it just going to be a spark and MTV's not going to—

Tommy: I don't think so. Same company, Josh.

Josh: Viacom. Yeah. Viacom's pretty big. No follow. No, that's okay.

Tommy: So head over, Stacey June, tell her, uh, the Gronks, tell her you're a part of the Gronks squad and you heard about her from the day from Talkin' Tech.

Josh: All positive, she is actually lovely.

Kel: She is, no, she's lovely.

Josh: We've had Stacey on the show before.

Tommy: Yeah, twice. Yeah, we've had her on twice.

Josh: Massive supporters of us.

Kel: We had a lot to do with each other when I was in Shepparton. She's as genuine person as you could imagine. So I hope she doesn't misinterpret this, but I mean, I wouldn't mind to follow either of those states if you're listening.

Josh: Anyone else we want to follow from?

Tommy: Matt D'Evila follows me, follows you. Yeah, who else? I don't know, follow for follow for the next 5 minutes.

Kel: I want to follow from your production team out there.

Tommy: Yeah, we can get you 1, 2, 3, 4. We've got boom, 4 follows we can get you.

Kel: Post the podcast. Oh, and I should drop a reference to the Kybers band that I've just started, so go and follow them, the Kybers.

Josh: What sort of music?

Tommy: We're not MTV, mate, we don't support local Australian bands.

Kel: You support anything I've heard the show before. You chuck a fiver to anybody.

Josh: And so what style of music? What are we? Any of you on Spotify yet?

Kel: It would be, it would be indie rock. Uh, we should have some stuff on Spotify in the next couple of weeks.

Josh: Blink-182, Offspring, that sort of style?

Kel: No, that would be, that would be pop punk realistically. I think, think Strokes, think Arctic Monkeys.

Tommy: Just last thing, um, Machine Gun Kelly, what do you think of his new song?

BMac: Yeah, he's good, man.

Tommy: The new song, the one that's with Travis Barker? Yep, sick, isn't it?

Josh: Yeah. What do you think about Old Town Road?

Kel: Old Town Road, that's how a lot of talk around it, hasn't it? Oh yeah, bullshit, bullshit.

Tommy: What about his loser Panini? Do you like Panini?

BMac: Panini's cool. He's going places. I don't think he's just gonna have that one hit.

Kel: Who's about to blow, B-Mac? Let's get something you actually know about.

Josh: There's a, there's a kid, there's a kid, and his name's The Kid LAROI.

BMac: Boy. He's 15. He's like from Sydney, he's from like Redfern.

Josh: Is he on TikTok?

BMac: He probably is, man.

Tommy: I don't know, he's not.

BMac: But, um, but yeah, he's out in like LA now, and he, he blew up over here on a radio station. Which one? Then, um, on Triple J. And then he, yeah, he went overseas and then connected with artists here, and now he's got the same manager as this guy called Juice WRLD, who's like the one, the biggest hip-hop artist in the world right now, and they're just taking their time. But he's like this kid and he's got the world at his feet. So there's him and there's another kid called Creed the Kid from Brisbane, and he's only like 15 or 16 too. So watch out for that kid.

Tommy: Let's put some links in the show notes on YouTube and the podcast.

Josh: Let's make him pop.

Tommy: Let's move the needle, guys.

Josh: Come on. Yeah, let's, let's get Stacey followers and let's get impact. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

BMac: Creed the Kid.

Josh: Kid and what was the other one?

BMac: The Kid Laroi.

Josh: So it's a big thing on kids at the moment. They all— that's a good question though.

BMac: Both two, you know, people like old school, like even with any terms of music, like never used to believe in like the youth. And I think now about Kid Rock.

Josh: Kid Rock was big.

Kel: Kid Rock, I think he was like 30 when he was like—

Josh: he never grew up.

BMac: Yeah, bro, did you see that video of him him dancing to MGMT?

Tommy: No.

BMac: Oh, look it up, it was crazy.

Kel: Did you see Logic and Eminem's, uh, with Crystal Ear? Yeah, that is fucking sick.

Josh: It's funny, Kid Rock doesn't do many radio interviews.

Kel: Doesn't he?

Josh: No, he actually, um, he had an incident once where he wasn't a fan of one of the programme directors at, I think it was KISS in LA, and said on air that he'd had sexual intercourse with the PD's partner, and so he doesn't do radio stuff.

Kel: Didn't he run for president or something recently?

Josh: He'd rather— sounds about right.

Kel: Yeah, I'm serious. Like, he was like, he was like, let's go, fucking Kid Rock 2020.

BMac: Yeah.

Josh: And Pamela Anderson's kid, uh, who was she married to?

Kel: Tommy Lee. Tommy Lee, yeah, from Mötley Crüe.

Josh: Yeah, his kid, their kid is, um, on MTV's The Hills.

Tommy: Oh, is he a good-looking little Brother.

Kel: Yeah, it would be a good looking roast, you'd imagine. Yeah, yeah.

Josh: I mean, rock star, 20 to act and things like that.

Tommy: Baywatch woman.

Kel: Anyway, Baywatch woman.

Josh: Maybe I think MTV's on the way up.

Kel: 3D Deal looks like he wants to fuck— say something. What's going on?

Dylan: Oh no, I just want to say fuck Kid Rock.

Josh: Why? What's wrong with Kid Rock?

Dylan: Not a fan, really. Like, he's like, oh, I'm a country guy, and then he's a rock star, and then he's a— thinks he's a rapper.

Kel: So you don't like the fact that he's changed genres?

Dylan: No, I just don't like the way that he presents himself.

Kel: Well, neither do I, but I don't mind that he changed genres.

Josh: I don't mind that he changed genres, but I think he can go about representing himself in a better way. Yeah, pick one, Kid Rock.

Kel: Jesus, are you country? Are you rock? What's going on? 3D deal.

Josh: Yeah, I mean, Old Town Road, the ultimate fucking genre classic.

Kel: Trap is it hip-hop?

Josh: Yeah.

Kel: Did you see like that whole saga about that with it being not a country song and not accepted in the country charts because it was kind of trappy. Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, so it got taken off the country, he got taken off the country charts and then put back. I think it's an outrage.

Tommy: Yeah, on that note, let's wrap it up.

Josh: Yeah, I mean, if this was Townsville, would have been— this is great banter. Um, Townsville, is that where you were? Tamworth. I thought he meant Shepparton.

Kel: I'm like, where the fuck did you get Townsville from?

Josh: This is why I couldn't be on radio. Fuck the, the town tunes.

Tommy: All right, all right guys, see you tomorrow.

Josh: Uh, well, geez, that was abrupt.

Tommy: I think we're running out of battery.

Josh: Okay, all right, uh, bye everyone.

Tommy: See you, boys.