- July 27, 2019
Pete Shepherd joins us for Weekend Banter! We talk about visualising the future, some of the barriers that prevent us from starting, being apart of a sub culture, and things we know we should be doing but aren’t.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show we discuss:
– Pete’s MCC Membership
– Experiencing imposter syndrome
– Hobbies, passions, and cool cultures
– Planning and being spontaneous
– Things we should be doing
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Daily Talk Show Episode 406. weekend Banta Happy Saturday. That's happening guys paycheck.
parish guys on 400. I've made me since you hit that mark.
Did you comment on the video? I think so. Yeah. Good.
You and I were talking about it the other day. OD chat says as he passes over to the footy.
Now I'm actually not thinking about sports more and more.
Okay, the footy seasons today towards the end?
It always happens this way. Just got into NBA. Okay, I don't know much about MBC offseason. The thing is, they they fact that they need a grand final at the start of the season. Because the way that sort of setup is it's the hype. Like the very last the grand final The main thing Yeah, that's when you can get excited the money like I'm into it now. Yeah, I find it you know about Toronto and what's what's what's grand.
Yeah, this is you're one of those like, sports fans would hate you like real so i'm not i'm not a sports fan. Like I'm not will be disgusted at you like Periscope. just jumping on. When you see a team winning. You then get on the bandwagon. You haven't been slugging it out?
Well, that's why I want to start. It's like someone who says they're going to start podcasting. Now. That's, you know, I'm the sports man in that case.
I don't think it's the same. What do you say because podcasting, sports.
Someone comes I'm doing an episode one.
Okay, as a guy, that completely different might. I mean, don't don't compare sport to podcasting.
But anyway, because you're
one step away. He's an MCC member. Yes, yes.
Yeah, well, let's just get this clean. Who's Who pays me? When did you have you played your whole life? I think,
good question. I think maybe from when I was 18 I feel like the first two years it might have been a birthday present. So I got it when I was 16. Yeah, great birthday present when you 16 Yeah. And I think I probably, I think mom and dad probably paid it for the first two. Yeah, I mean, I've had it since I was 18.
I've let mine lapse, and I can't get it. My I was on the waiting list from the time I was born. Took 1716 years. 16 so his brothers have it. It's $550 I couldn't afford it. I'd rather spend that money on the podcast to be honest. My view is that I'll do something great enough and have mates that are in the media that I can go to the fucking hashtag nights in the media nights in the media and I'll go to a box when the Grand Finals on
I love that posture. I was actually talking to a guy about this it at the CO working space. Okay,
it's the exact same way of saying like, I'm not gonna worry about super big.
having a conversation about super round lunch. I was like, What do you think about God? I think about I was gonna be really rich.
Yeah, we spoke about this here in the way
it was because you were doing Vox pops for equity investor. And you and I heard the conversation like man, so many people are fact they're like, not worrying about so bad. To be honest. Like, my whole thing has been like, yeah, screw super. I'm gonna be
sure there wasn't the conversation you guys mean this is I was listening to Conor McGregor on you know, Connor McGregor.
He's a boxer.
He wasn't. He was a boxer. But now he does UFC. He's an Irish dude. Not as a boxer. I just I can just settle down
OU gronk said I have no idea what martial art. He's a UFC fighter that then went to boxing to fight one fight against Floyd Mayweather at $5 million. Right from one to 511 10 rounds, but that he's this visualisation fucking poster boy. He was on Tony Robbins podcast and Tony Robbins is all about that visualisation and trampolines. You know, and you know how punch holes and be hands just like that. He's just visualisation mom and I were having an in depth conversation about visualisation and Mama just watched the documentary on Walt Disney. Yeah. And Walt, you know, his storey amazing. created some of the most iconic
characters in this world. Mickey Mouse. Yeah, most people in the world famous most famous little, you know, a little thing, but I was
I set you up with that one just bit like just a mouse. That was just funny because it was like this heaps at Disney, I guess. Yeah.
What else? He's mad. I thought what
else? Minnie Mouse?
He's got it. You got it.
You got the other one? The closest
10 more seconds. What would a other Disney characters I was hoping you didn't ask that aren't the hunters? Yeah, a lot in
like the Aladdin's of the world. Everything we grew up on
essentially the base as well. Yeah.
Like it they bought Pixar. Does that count?
That you read that? You heard that in the book that you bought great book.
the gronk just general knowledge not good.
Anyway, visualisation, like the visualise and he was a man of visualising and seeing what he wanted and thinking about that. And I kind of had this counter conversation to that. Thought around visualisation. I was like, Yeah, but I see these people who are very successful, and hindsight 2020 and the way that they articulate storeys, I know how to tell a good storey and I can sort of look at, you know, Josh and I, we were slogging away, and he's apart with these two USB microphone on the day we started the podcast, we actually drove to Where was it? store DJ, we bought an extra mark. I had one from something else, just an atlas
to hold up my Aqua. So
Ray took some fight. Like you said it was uncomfortable. And it was awkward. You
know, you start to look at us now
right now. Like you wrap your success in just sort of you anchor moments in time as the the turning point. And I could easily say it was at that moment that we thought we could fucking we could have something here. Yeah, but I didn't. I think about what's happened with me, you know, anytime I've ever had progression we've just been so it's all I think about I'm just like, labouring and fucking feeling so much over this thing that I just love.
Are you visualising?
What I'm saying is I think that could be the essence of the visual visualisation. It's not as it's it doesn't articulate. Like the secret does, like they've articulated which is, you know, think about where you want to be start grabbing photos and put them up and walk which I think is all a good thing. But I don't think paid to do it. Most things happen at most visualisation happens in that way. It's it's not as sexy as it was when I was seven that I saw all stars. And that's what I wanted to maybe for some
I don't know, what do you think maybe for some, but not for me? Certainly not. For me, I've been thinking about this a bit recently is looking back the last two years of your life, you could tell really, you could tell a certain narrative, you know, I could tell a certain narrative about my life using the highlights along the way. Or you could tell an equally is true narrative with the lowlights along the way. And you could paint a completely different picture. And it's interesting. The picture we can paint in hindsight to your point, but I don't certainly I don't sit there and say in two years time, that's where I'm going to be and then look at it. I'm I'm like the opposite. In that sense. I'll be wrong.
Do you think maybe it's like what? Because I see Conor McGregor in he's a storyteller at heart. Yes. He's the ultimate marketer. I don't
think I've ever heard him.
He's unbelievable. Just the way he demands the attention in the room. Is it because
do you think it's the status of knowing that he can bake the shit out of it? It's why he talks. It's he's logical warfare. He plays he's Irish. Yeah,
really good storey, but he's humble, in defeat humble in world. He's just an absolute weapon. Anyway, that's why he makes $85 million for one fight and does something that's never ever been done before UFC into fighting the world's best boxer Floyd Mayweather anyway, I think maybe we should be cutting things out. Maybe we should do a maybe we should do a day in the office here. I reckon up around this. It's about magazines. Oh, yeah. We do a bit of a secret scrapbook. We actually we scrapbook
we catch the last time you did it was for fucking presenting wrong. You never got in? Did you get rid of that poster
you made? I think my mom has one of the photos from it. So what was the what was it for yesterday? I was literally just trying that. And I've done a lot of these things in my life trying. And I'm not I don't want you experimenting? I don't I'm not jaded. I don't I don't disbelieve. I don't not believe in visualisation. But I don't know if if it is is, you know, crafty is like hitting the ball can at Valley Villa that I'll have one day. I don't know, what do you think
I mean, I, to me, it's sort of whatever works for you. I think if people are out there, and they believe in that, and they do that, and it works for them, and they get value out of it. Like all the power to you. I don't think there's a right or wrong way. I think there's a people's version of what works for them. Some people like to sit back and tell a storey in hindsight, some people like to sit there and say, in five years time, this is exactly where I'm going to be. And you know, through various ways of getting there, maybe they end up there. And that's awesome. Or maybe they don't, but they change their mind right now live. But this is what I'm wanting to do anyway. And so they started like almost confirmation biases, you convince yourself that the steps you took along the way were delivered to your point, but maybe it was just chance. Maybe you just happen to get there. And you can tell a really nice storey using all of the highlights of the last three years.
Yeah, maybe Josh, it's like when we're content in what we've got. It allows us to then show you know, like, I think we're in a place where we, we enjoy what we do. And so maybe you stop then having that approach, maybe probably the times that I've done the real visualisation is because I'm not happy with visual interface happy in that moment.
I wonder if the visual I'd like us doing our highlights video. In some way. It's a visualise that Yeah, because it's, it seems big like inside, even though it's using all the materials that we've had. It still feels like a having Craig hapa saying yes to what can be one of the biggest podcasts in the world. I was a good lead into video. Yeah, it was great was that we actually think about it, I mean, moment that a guest is saying something nice. Yeah.
I'm just looking at
you, right, it's, but also, I was
just gonna say I wonder if that your version of that is You talk a lot about we're going to do this for 10 years. Am I gonna be here for 10 years? And we don't know what's going to happen over the 10 years, but we're going to commit to doing it every day for 10 years. Like is that your version of visualisation? Man? Yeah,
visualisation with that action is useless. You can't just be in a jail cell visualising? I mean, actually Martin Luther King me. He got out after a while. But I think I still think if you don't have if you don't get off your ass and start working. None of its gonna come to fruition.
Yeah, I wrote something recently around how I think inspiration is overrated. You got a blog? I do.
What's that website? Again?
I don't blog, which stands for a bird's eye view. Yeah, blog. Go. Anyway. So I wrote this thing the other day saying, inspiration is overrated, because it's fickle. And like, it relies on some external third party that you have to sit around and wait till you feel inspired is like, more important is a process or a practice, which you know, you guys have in the podcast, where you can show up every day. And commit to doing that, regardless of whether you feel shit, regardless of whether you feel awesome and inspired, is like that's how you create change over time. 1% at a time, as opposed to waiting to be struck by inspiration, which
may or may not happen with all the people that you deal with and speak with. And Coach. what's the what's the common pain point that we're all that you see, it's just super, super common, if not inevitable, in the pursuit of 16?
I think the biggest one is that everyone is their own Roadblock, is everyone is in their way to some degree. And so it's how can you help them get self aware to realise that they're the ones telling themselves a certain storey that's shaping them in a certain way? And how can you give them the tools and the resources and the ideas to help them realise that and then like, still move ahead despite that, so I think it's, there's a couple I would say, one is the fact that we're all in our own way. And to is the fact that everyone feels like an imposter. Everyone has no like no one has a clue what they're doing. And everyone feels like they're making it up. But they don't necessarily realise that other people feel the same way. And so like realising that all of us are scared, all of us are anxious, all of us have imposter syndrome, all of us have doubts and insecurities. And yet, some continue to show up every single day, and others get crippled by that and don't necessarily move forward. So the difference I think, is in how you deal with that, recognising that that's a almost like par for the course you have to accept that that's going to happen, you have to accept that they'll be doubts, insecurities. And so what are you going to do about it?
You should Josh in that in our video. imposter syndrome. It's good. Like you need a bit of it. Yeah, I love it. I love how I'm looking at you just I totally get what you mean. I was wondering because I was saying I love that what you said, but I want to
know what you meant. I got rematching it's probably in the same vein as like Seth Golden's dip and all that sort of thing. It's like it's the it's the friction that then creates the the action that the film, you know, feeds the momentum. Yeah. And so if you don't have that, you're probably in some form of safe zone.
Yeah, I think I totally agree. The headsets talk about a few times and I've spoken about this a few times, in front of, you know, audiences and on podcast is that imposter syndrome is a good thing, because it's a sign that you're doing something that you haven't done before. Yeah. And so like every successful entrepreneur, every thought leader, every person who's done something new, was literally an imposter because no one had done it before. So it's like recognising that that's the almost like the growing pain of you getting to what you need to go. And sometimes I tell the storey of I'm six foot seven, I had crippling Growing Pains growing up, which were shin splints, old school gronk
you remember that? I used to be in bed and I remember when my shins are so pain King. Yeah, so he
isn't it? Literally fucking literally. So I've heard like 15 centimetres in a year or something ridiculous. I couldn't run for a year and I realised and all that and so to me, that was like, you had to go through that in order to be six foot seven. And so in order to bring that change that you're working on to the world, you have to go through I think mental Growing Pains which come in the form of doubt, which come in the form of imposter syndrome. So, all of this to say along ran to say, I agree with your point that
happens with I think I think about the gym and stuff like that and just like the friction of going or even travelling, yeah, like, part of it is what I love about travelling is getting to a point where you can go to a place and feel somewhat like a local Yeah. And then people are expecting though that they can get there and some trying to like try and sort of somehow hack the system and and get that straight away. Yeah, actually just you actually just need to have the friction you need to be the dumb fucking tourist to be culturally insensitive or not understanding things before you can actually fully understand. Jacko Willink
is a jungle Chaka Chaka
Chaka Chaka, FN is far from being scared
extremities storey straight on the ship,
what does he say discipline equals freedom. I love that. Because it's the discipline to show up in the shit you don't want to do. Yeah, that actually is the stuff you want to do. Because even the good stuff, even, you know, even the creative endeavour that you wish to do every single day you think you do will be annoying at one point, and the discipline. Because when you do something, right, it's like the gym. If you can be disciplined to go, even on the days you don't want to you feel good, fucking feel accomplished. Whether it's you physically still tired. But mentally you're like, I'm so proud of that. I'm so glad I showed up and then you put it to anything you do. It's so true.
Yeah. And I'm I think it makes the good days even better. Yeah, yeah. And I'd like you guys have a great testament to that over the podcast journey is some days. I'm sure there are podcasts that you do. And you both like, really tell people that doing this, but you do it anyway. And then the good days when you're talking about and having fun and having some banter.
egrets is have you ever had any experiences where through coaching, you've actually gotten something out of it, like an aha moment for you personally, all the time?
Yeah, I think this is a very lucky part of my job is I'm, I feel like an imposter all the time because of the people I get to work with. And so by me, coaching them, I'm actually learning from the industry as well as well. So a lot of the industries I work with, I don't necessarily know that well, yeah. So I get to learn by way of hearing the people unpack the things that they're working on through the industry, so happens to me all the time.
What, what's an industry?
So it's a fascinating one that I've started to work in a lot through Jan, who's a friend of mine and co host on the podcast I have is the performing arts. So I have I've clients that are Broadway stars in New York. And I know nothing. I know, I think about performing and performing in front of thousands of people every single day. And so working with them allows me to get empathy for what it's like to be a performing artist. And I've learned so much. And I think vice versa, they've learned a lot from from me. And also what we've realised is we're not that different. You can be a performing artist in front of 1000 people and be crippled by imposter syndrome, even though you're up there like seeing in front of people like Alice, and it just it sort of blows my mind that they have doubts and insecurities as well.
I think it's also hard. Anytime where you're trying to look smart. I can that's like the other thing that I've noticed in life, like the more I try in a situation, the more it sort of backfires.
Yeah. So I double down on that I like I lean into ignorance, where I'm like, I don't have the answer. You have the answer? I don't know your industry, you know, your industry.
It's a good neg as well. It's like, well, because then it like it is it is true. You don't need to have all the answers, right? And then it can be framed to be like, actually, it's like with the client when they say how much is this going to cost? Being we spoke about yesterday with you know, quoting and shit being like, How much have you got? No, yeah. What's your what's your budget? Yeah. What do you work? Yeah. And then, I mean, like, it's a fair, it's a fair question, right? And then it creates this awesome dynamic where it becomes a conversation because I
would go and spend a whole lot of time and come back with this proposal. But if you've got $5,000 to work with, I'm going to come back with $100,000 proposal. Let's have that conversation now.
Yeah, it's really interesting being a spectator of sports. So if I if I was to, I'm interested, I want this like, I feel like I've done it not as gear. But I've spoken previously about I want to get into sport. Yeah. hasn't really gone anywhere. What does that
mean? I want to get into fitness. What does that mean? Well, I just got into sport, badminton.
Not like I'm wanting to be a spectator of something. So here's some of the ground rules. Yeah, curly. Twice it is something that can take maybe twice a week where it's something that I can watch on the TV. Or I can be out and I can get an update of how it's going. I think
I think we're attracted to things like why does someone love the footy? There's plenty of reasons but I know I watch I end up watching a lot of fight fighting. Like I watch a lot of UFC stuff. Oh, that's a little recaps I mean to it, but then I think about
what are you looking for like a you know, I love
it. I love it. It's it. I used to keep boxing do muy Thai and boxing when I was young. I was obsessed with Mike Tyson all this that we're talking about mike tyson this or the other day, but I
I just love it. You don't love it? Why don't you love more? Because I just haven't consumed it? Maybe? I
don't know. I think that's it. I think there is like, why you show naturally drawn to working at technical shit and strategy. It's just your cup of tea. Yeah. Why do you need support? You don't fucking need support. Why do you need another thing
to support me on this sport journey? This is why progress.
Semi if we're going to go What are you going to force yourself to do it? There's plenty of other things that would be better for you than watching sports. It's funny.
It's like a
brain but I would break it and I could have a team together.
For Bry Fulbright, what
do you need sport? You're a fourth grade.
Why do you need sport? I don't at the moment, but you saying I want to get into it.
Because I never used to drink. And I've just started to get into wine. Jase, Gary,
the empathy y&z
I've, I took though the wine that Jace gave us. Yeah, I know. Jason's getting a lot of mentions I've been criticised for that over the days you think that I'm sitting pretty fair words
yesterday about us me of saying something pretty disgusting, but we won't say it here
never actually sounded like
discussing patriots here. Speed this be gentlemen.
So on support.
The know My point being that wine, I've like started to get into wine. And I'll have it like in the evening. And it's like, it's a thing. And I might like to relax. Like a relaxing thing. Like I see anxiety. Yeah, I think that's might be wanting to say the thing is that like, MTV, what's the shut the heels? Right? Like, I used to push back on all of this shit, right? My, I don't drink. I don't like if I can watch TV unless it's moving me forward. And in the last like two weeks. I'm like, I'm gonna watch TV and have a wine. Like I like I feel sort of relaxed, like a grown
up is that
Yeah, I feel like a little bit like a grown up.
It's funny though. Like, just on sport. It To me, it sounds like a case of like, you know, the grass is greener on the other side. So I think I mentioned the Lakers. I mentioned to this to the other days. I was at the 40 on Sunday. And I had the I thought to myself, I wish I cared less about this. What a loser sitting in the stands, watching this game, having no control over it. Like it goes against everything you talk about is like focus on things you can control and only spend time on stuff that's going to help you and it's like, I am so emotionally invested in this thing. But I have no control over. I wish I didn't like I wish I'd get
here. But what I'm saying is, I think it's like, it's a natural thing to think that I don't know how you create that because you're saying, I want that you're saying I want to be into a sport. I don't think it happens by just watching it. I think it comes from starting and actually playing the sport and yeah, and then just being in love with it. And then just I played golf 14 basketball table which we could sighs baseball. Yeah. Oh, so I don't know. There's something in it. There's something where you just can't explain why you saw emotionally connected to it.
But can I be on now you're saying No,
I don't. I don't, I think it will happen. It's like saying find your tech saying come up with your fine. Come up with your passion right now. You probably won't know. And maybe you will watch but you probably
don't have hobbies, right? Like, isn't that like a friction point that a lot of people have which is like, I don't know what I'm into.
So come by action.
And that's what I need to work out which play which sport I need to go to?
We've got finite number of hours in our day. Why do you want to spend it sounds like you don't want to
not want to be on the couch?
I guess so.
It's in it? Is it more reason to sit on the couch and drink?
Maybe it's like it's like another? Like I do put the footy. I do like the sound of that. Like the whistles and like the whole you know what I mean? Yeah, when you like
That's why I mean, what a conversation. Yeah,
it's it. You know what I mean? sort of get it done. You don't have it sort of like
In fact, something that isn't there is I think Yeah,
Well, I think that's what he's trying to do, but maybe no
Yeah. What are you craving social
net cuz I don't want to die. I think it's you've nailed it on the head with the couch thing release.
It's Friday night. Chill out. Yeah,
it's almost I like it.
I don't think this is not a criticism to Josh, but you like to have you like to officiate things you like to this is I think it's the same with like what we do with the daily talk show beats and like, you'd love to sort of create labels for them and names for them instead of which I think might have a strong friendship, which is which I, which I think can be counted to the doing the thing, because it's like there's a piece of work done in right now what we do with this show is we do these things called TDSTDTS bits. This is what that means. But it's like, fucking head down and start. And so I don't
do like defining things like to
define things. But that's what I'm saying. You're trying to define. I want to love sport. And it's like you're trying to define it, but you should find it. You should just start doing a few things. And maybe that will happen more naturally then trying to go right this is what I'm now going to be doing. It's like really calculated. It's like when you said Didn't you think about what you want why you wanted a baby. Dude, you wouldn't have one if you probably thought it all the way through. Yeah, you just kind of have these things and look there's a couple of gronk says six of us in this room right now. Trying to flex that there was a few Yeah, there's actually seven
there's bleacher there's Sarah, buddy, yeah, that's a real presence that catches for let's just say that. Okay, so you want me because it's funny it's not even stick at this point. Like the sport thing I'm serious about Okay, I think part of it was like brain I were walking on a long a smell button. Actually, I think this could have something to do with it. Well, Joe, can you give Bray the mic and explain a break what happened when we were in a smell been coming back from Toronto, the other
everyone was coming back from a footy game. They asked us Who won? Yes, I asked you guys who
have no idea but then Josh said both on
and they do embrace it. Did you know and then I thank you. I saw it on Instagram. And I was like pack and it'd be more tapped in. So here we go with Josh life feeling useful in that moment you want
to be able to provide
to the elderly people who were like really invested high one.
And I just saw think when a junkie asked me for a lotta I should be getting a lot is from now I don't need to carry lighter. Dude, I don't smoke. Don't need
to carry lighters from now on be could have light is
good to find your own thing had it for you paint. What do you other than just being a CrossFit God? What do you do? What do you think?
You know, I've heard you talk about this a few times and how it's hard to sit and pause and be like, what am I hobbies? And when you said that I was like I so agree with that. And we've talked before about how if you love your work, it doesn't feel like work. And so is that a hobby for you guys fucking thought about it like it would work now. So I think there's things like football, which to me is where I get interested in that. I've played
team can I guess? You said July? I thought you were a Melbourne guy.
No, he grew up down the coast too long. The other way
No, Dad, I should grow up. So. So that's my team. I play golf with friends every now and then I go to the gym, you know, to your point, CrossFit.
What's your cat's week? 1920 I think, Okay.
And so they I guess they're to me, probably the closest things I can think of as hobbies. But other than that, it's, you know, to me what I love my work. I love podcasting. I love writing, I like I love reading. And so I can, yes, their hobbies. And what's interesting is like, the older I get, the more I read, I'd lean into those and speak about those and I feel like growing up and maybe you can relate to this is like there's this idea that you need to paint a picture that you cool and cool. Kids don't love reading books in their spare time and cool kids don't love you know, doing certain things and so,
like super right server
talking about that. And so like, I've probably like
scam land into that more recently than in the past
having your back. It's It's literally I think being financially independent and fucking cool these days. But maybe it's just because we're older. You know, when you it's kind of like it's there is freedom in being financially free.
Definitely not for sport.
What is it then,
I think your knowledge, your knowledge around the shit that you obsess over. And that shit is the fucking strategy. The online staff the video, I think Yeah, you do. I think you're pretty lucky that you don't you pick something a long time ago weather lack or that's just
it was my version of an MCC membership.
Yeah, you picked up a video camera. It's been it's pretty cool to be a person that can do videos.
That's really cool. The other thing that's cool, honestly, Is this right? This is the one of the things I think that makes you cool. Josh, try to look down the camera. Yeah,
snippet, snippet time
you are on a potted, unapologetic
action and say my name is stopped.
Josh, one of the things that makes you cool. I
laughed over that dude, again.
Josh, one of the things that makes you cool, is you are unapologetically you. And I think there are so many people out there, myself included, certainly in the past that struggle with how you show up in certain settings. And we just mentioned is like trying to be cool trying to not say things because you're worried about what other people think of you. And I look at you and think you are someone from where I stand that is so good at just being comfortable being yourself. And I think that's the coolest of
traits. Thank you. That's a bit serious. Well did.
Yeah, I do think that may so bit is do you think more people are thinking about I want to get into a sport thing. Maybe just don't articulate it or talk about it. But what it How would they? What would it be then? If you don't if you can't articulate it talk about but how would you just do it I guess or you start doing things you start it Look at this, right? We do this every single day. What if we did a Bach rod along the error, not as like down the tracks and went to the jump Park and just hung out? Like I hang out at the skate park as a kid. for hours and hours and hours. I was into it. And I can now pick up a skateboard and do a grind in 5050 That's cool. I can drop into the bowl I but I but I don't have the interest now that I did once when I was in shipping and I had this you know wasn't? Really
is your neck okay with a chip on your shoulder?
I actually went and bought a skateboard might have been in the same conversation.
We've only got like five I
get so much. Yeah, so it was about the hobby stuff. And I was like, as a kid, I love skate parks. I love being at the skate park I there was just a ball it was like a shitty skatepark when we grew up now they just millions of dollars spent on them. And this one and shipping is fucking epic. Yeah, epic. So when bought a skateboard. I was then hanging out the skate park by myself with these young gronk. And it was so funny. It was like intimidating. And it was I was out of my comfort zone. And I was trying to learn this thing fallen out, you know, still could do it. But I remember the other kids and just sort of I took Bodie to the skate park on the weekend. Are those videos? Yeah, rock star, and he and these kids flying around everywhere. And I just remember there's like, there's rules at the skate park. They fucking dropping on me. It's like surface don't dropping away, you know, I'm in like, you started phrases and stuff that these like, these little micro
world. It's like culture. I guess I'm a maybe I'm obsessed with like different cultures. And so like I bought a bike and got like her and
obsessed with cultures, you're obsessed with the you're obsessed with cultures outside of the culture. Because the thing about the subculture of skating, you got to get through the barrier of like, a little gronk slack in looking at you badly. You shoot you dropped in on me. And then the funny thing was, I kind of penetrated this subculture nice.
one of them I did this Are you trying this trick constantly he just looks sick? A secret. And he just gave me this 11 year old it rattled me.
This was like 2324
but it's this is the thing if you want to get into cycling, there's a world you need to enter Yeah, this sport saying this to this I guess this is more of a more of a culture not even a subculture AFL in Australia, yeah. But these things satisfy a define whether it's an interesting cultures from the outside, I love seeing the like, It's weird. I love looking at Oh my God, I don't even understand that. But then to be a part of that culture. subculture is a different thing. Because it takes pain it takes discipline to actually enter into it and make it a thing.
Yeah. I'm gonna
I think this is something you guys are doing with the daily talk show, by the way, he's creating a place where people want to go to to feel like they belong, I think it's always talking about is these communities, these groups, a subcultures, places where people feel like they can belong, they can go there, they can be themselves, and they feel like they are accepted. And I can co create these spaces. And what I think is interesting is you guys are doing this with the gronk squad. And whether you realise it or not, it's like you're creating a group of people who feel like they belong and they are connected by instead of being Skype. Are they connected by the daily talk show?
And it low level entry?
Via gronk. And listen.
I mean, could we maybe, maybe it's it maybe I'm overthinking still, but maybe it could be thing that as a show, the gronk School waters, the gronk squad like in regards to sports. What's our league of choice? I don't
want to put a label into it. I like fighting. I don't need you to be into fighting. Okay, but we do know that always in the back of Matt DVL his car in LA while you I think Bry was in the back with me. No, we were all in the back. Did you know what I was doing on my phone? I wasn't trying viciously to find the live stream of Conor McGregor vs can be an artist just like me right? For me to be so interested to just be searching through live feeds as I'd lost it. That's what that was on there for a little bit. I have to be pretty into it. But I need you to be doing that. So it's like I do that with about
North Korea for a while. Absolutely. With both grant with North Korea, it wasn't I think Bray could agree was I was I not internet
obsessed YouTube videos, documentaries rating, anything you can imagine. What's it good for you to learn?
It's an interesting one. What is it?
Yeah, I mean, it was just an injury. It was just
Yeah, but I just had cnn not too far. How much time do I spend on saying like watching CNN? I can't even count a lot. Yeah, I would be I watch a lot of CNN are you. I don't retain huge amounts of information. But I hear news bits about what's happening. And I'm like, it reminds me of like, there was a time where I'd be editing and I'd have like, especially when it was there was a high amount of tension. Especially October. Not last year, the year before. People weren't even going to Japan and shit to remember that. I like fucking cancelling. cancelling the holiday.
We had a guy that travelled to North Korea on this show, is it was fine. But I mean, he might have said it might have all been a shower, you know? Well, yeah, he was part of a tourism. Yeah.
So that's one thing that I've been
obsessed with the think you need the discipline to actually stick at these things. Do you want it enough? Because why? Like we want this enough. So we do enough. What is it? Oh, yeah.
10,000 hours? How many 10,000 hour things can you have?
What's something that you do pay that you wouldn't really know about that you've spent a lot of time on? Are you pretty open book? fairly open book. I mean, you stand out so it's hard what
you do? Do you thumb?
I don't know. Actually, I caught myself preparing dinner last night. And I just noticed that this morning.
So there's a band aid For those wondering
Yeah. My the thing that would surprise you I don't know if it would surprise you. I think they're pretty open is the public podcasting. What
about interests? Like I find I've got quite a general knowledge on and who Bay Makar we've got on tomorrow is fucking so fascinating. He knows so much about rap music singers, just that culture
is phenomenal. Maybe radio stuff like I think that's my guide session that right yeah,
like I know nothing about me.
You'll never hear me saying I'm trying to get my head around. Right? Yeah, yeah, it's something you hate Josh and what does that mean? I don't even know what that means. Radio, the medium like the people in it, but he's actually something it's like a bit of a project that he loves.
I'm trying to work out like okay, every market in the world who's listening to radio? Who were the best radio talents in the world who were doing cool shit in you know, drive in fact, in Cleveland or something like that? How
about this? These are the things that we naturally gravitate towards that whether they benefit us or not is another thing I think the radio thing for you that little project it benefits us. Definitely the North Korea thing I don't know how much benefit there is in that for you as a person. You can just read Yeah, but what about the things that don't benefit us but we we really should be doing them? So we look to go the the equation is I have an interest in them it's that sort of initial gets me there to them work it out. But what about
like wanting like that's where I want to things like wine. I still easy dude. It's
your you're taking in a substance that's altering your mindset. That's why I've tried to not do alcohol this. I've been tried. I haven't had a sip.
But you have been trying.
I've been trying and it is a constant battle to I'd like to have a glass but
as a culture around wine tour, don't you think? 200 Yeah, yeah. It's different to beer or different to like other things, right? There's always little cultures of
40 culture be a culture wine culture, coffee culture,
but I think it's easy drinking alcohol and feeling fucking a bit fruity and just a bit tingly feeling like warm all good. You know that's what I feel like you feel it in your blood fuckin you know when you have a glass of wine just like your YE just a sinking so what's the bad Dom's on the couch? Looking? He knows what I
mean? What is like what
you're saying? That's easy. So you're saying this one thing you can get into it? I'm saying the shit that's hard. For few. It's exercise, actually like MMO and that's how soon as JM we need to do like
you're saying things that are actually good for us that we need to do that we don't
and so that's why how do you find the discipline to do those fucking thing? Yeah,
thanks. I shouldn't be some it's done from Hey, char
just finishing my lunch over here. Some great show, by the way. Longtime listener.
I want to know though, Josh,
when when you got asked by that person who won the game? Yeah. Did you feel left out? No, I felt the opposite. In that moment. I was like, I was like, Oh, you know what the crowd world walking is a crowd. If anything else like Bry I wish I could.
You know, it's a bit of which is,
which is not included is
not disappointed in Bry. That was like, You know what, this is what it feels like a little bit to be a part of long. Yeah, I was like, You know what, like, if I maybe if I was to live in Richmond or something like that.
Raised confused. Well, I mean, what do you thinking brazen? I have no idea what I'm thinking. Like the Richard like you're moving to if I go for Richmond. And because I want it and then I can move there. No, if I live in Richmond, I'd be closer to all the second get the T shirt. The whole experience.
You're the boss of the gronk squad, bro. You're the CEO. Am I the boss?
You're out there with me. Can we get that as a gronk? Yeah,
but I think what you're creating something, your idea that you're actually bringing people into some place,
right? I there's something I like about like, where brain I live is like, opposite of be totally God. And there's no garden was like, Oh, that's a brewery brewery.
I like like watching and seeing people drink. And just not partaking, but just being at home. I enjoy that. And that's what it is.
Oh, yeah. I mean,
you're saying it always comes back to the gym nude me.
But the thing is, I would hate to, like there is a bit which is like, I like that. Like I don't get it. Like, I don't like going out that much. So it's like I don't want to it's that weird thing of it. No one ever wants to go anywhere. And but we don't want to be invited.
If we picked something age that we should that we aren't doing that we want to be doing. What is it? What's it for UP dog?
I think it's probably a dog is anyone could be paid. I've never had
a lien to that. So I think it's probably
I'm a terrible, terrible planner.
Planet. Talking about on plans for the future like Chelsea like God, we should plan a holiday for February and I'll just like, instantly get anxiety. Yeah. And I know that in the interests of our relationship. And the collaborations I do with other people that if I was better at planning, it would be helpful. And I avoid it actively do
the opposite is the person that doesn't plan gets to the time goes fact let's do something now and wants to be more spontaneous.
Yeah, I think that's probably more me. Are you spontaneous?
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah. More so than I am a planner. I'm not like the most spontaneous, spontaneous guy in the world. But I'm more of a spontaneous person that I am a planner.
Yeah, now I'm in the same I've got that. Like I was counting reps rented New Years. And I'm just like fuck, we should have bought the house to go away. Exactly what we did it six months ago would have made so much more sense men cheaper, but I want to do it now.
Yeah, but it's we didn't want to do it six months ago. By the
three grand awake house, I'm with you. I know it would be helpful.
Yeah, and yet I still come
pretty much account whether I'm playing or not.
I mean, you plant actually. You went away for three four months. Yeah, that was the plan shit. I mean, yeah. Like
No, we plan that will going
you a pretty spontaneous on that. Yeah. We haven't booked out combination yet.
So I actually did this is what I just
I was spontaneous to what
I was like to test I was like, You know what, where do we want to go? The only thing that I actually booked was Amsterdam. That was Farah Khan for I bc conference. Like all about gear and stuff.
Yeah. See these you love. Let's see. What's what you love?
Yeah. So you plan things that you ran things that you like,
Yeah. What's if you Josh, something you don't want to do? You know, you should do it. You know, you kind of want to do but then there's
the exercise thing.
Definitely. Just forming that habit.
Yeah, daily. Yes. I think part of it is about like, combining it with something else.
But he's just complicating the thing that's hard. Like, so you're trying to work out how to make it easier, right? Because it's hard. It's hard to show up. Like mixing it in with something doesn't it die? It's just like, I'm trying to it's like,
what's it like to hate night? My walks like one of my favourite things I do during the week. Yeah.
But then what about if Pete can't make it? And then problem, like, the training partner thing I get is so fucking helpful when I'm had one a lot of my life. Not recently, because it hasn't been a part of my plan was every second day, I'll do something regardless. No, two days off. And I've had the train with somebody for those times. Yeah. And that's not ideal.
How do you find that? Yeah,
it's not ideal. And I don't train as hard as I do with somebody else. But that's not my goal. My goal is to show up. Yeah. And so I'm just saying how do you just go not not? Not connecting it with somebody?
Yeah, Chris pizza. All good. So siloed start of the month. Yeah. Because I was thinking that like, what could? What could that be? Yeah, I'm not sure. I mean, this is the problem when you've had so much like, I've had a lot of gym memberships in my life. It's like you don't want to call it you. You constantly call bullshit on anything that you could potentially have come up with your head because you know, you've tried everything we know the
it's the the answer. Isn't the gym membership. We know the things that aren't the answer. Yeah. So then it's like, what I can move more. What else could you experiment? Yeah, I don't know what it is. I'm not trying to answer. Say you're not like it's,
I get it. But I think it's interesting. We all have these things that we know we should be doing more of. And we don't
even though we know that they benefit us.
That's why I think like even the red wine thing. Some really, it shouldn't really be a thing. Like I was thinking about it like in regards to like, first to make something if the if I was to create a new habit. It's like people we start smoking it 30 fuck is that?
Is that true? Yeah, and Amy's best friend when she was 30 Wow, it's full on
what a stranger to pick up haven't seen the packets? Yeah, and the same person picks the packet that is
based on the disease that's on the front kidding me? Oh my god, I just have the I have the I can't so on the island. Oh, wow. There's something a bit psycho mystic about that.
But it's just it's it's not listening to yourself if we learn anything from harps it's fucking listen to what is that? Listen to your body. That's not like I think about me drinking as a human
but if you listen to the body nicotine like what you would go home yeah, yeah, it's
like there is my body tells me I want more nicotine. Yeah.
I've not listened to my body a lot in my life when I've been drinking alcohol. The choices I make when I'm on alcohol drinking alcohol when I haven't felt great. It's not that great for you when you you know like all these things. This is not listening your body at a small level that we can brush off because you end up surviving. Yeah, but yeah on that bigger level. It's It's interesting.
It is. So maybe hockey.
Hockey hockey one I liked because of the fashion and the style ice hockey or just regular Friday do if I'm to do hockey, what sort of hockey ice hockey all the way it's only way to do okay.
Josh, Josh, you would die. Really? I'm being dead serious. Why? It's it's a violent physical game. Yeah. I was guys skating around it like 30 kilometres an hour shooting a puck that goes in upwards of 100 kilometres an hour.
Okay. Yeah. It's unbelievable.
I could die. I think I could get into the at least spectators. He needs to watch this podcast back. Anyway,
so much paid long and the short of it on Apple podcast. Definitely check it out. The latest one is on hold planning
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We'll see you tomorrow.
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