#398 – Waffle Prank & Echo Chambers/
- July 19, 2019
Fat Fridays is here! We talk about the Fat Fridays stitch up, what our Instagram usage looks like now, and why we need to consume a broad spectrum of media.
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Take a shot of apple cider vinegar. It's fat Friday. You need apple cider
vinegar after your weekend ahead.
What does that mean? Just that you have a fat weekend? I know I'm gonna be pretty good. I'm gonna be pretty good. What Episode Number 398 that was brilliant.
like that now I need my headphone volume down something shocking. Okay, someone stands up like full bar. I need
my headphone volume on.
This is this is what happens. I don't think actually.
We can get away with it for today. Okay, one sada
Happy Friday. gronk that really that bad? That's okay. Okay.
Happy Friday. Yeah, absolutely.
Good to be here. Thanks for having me. And thank you for being here. The the episode yesterday with Julian
Yeah, it was so much fun an hour and 15 minutes our longest episode ever? I think it is. It is for sure. I think so. Yeah,
it was nodding deals nodding. Although he can't hear anything. I checked the stats that he did. Yeah, it is. We I mean, you lead with the tapioca flour and the title of the podcast. No one's gonna know what the fact that means. Was that the idea of it? Because I said it missed opportunity.
Yeah, well, I CE from a search engine optimization point of view. You could have shouted the and I don't know how many people are so searching tapioca flour. Yeah, no, but I think it got a lot of coverage on the show. Yeah,
so I thought we'd give it some more coverage today because the tapioca flour and the backstory is, it's a ingredient in some of Joshua's favourite waffles. And they come from a cafe called patch. Which friend of mine used to own it's now being sold a couple of times really in two. Yeah, two times. So Tommy solid, then someone else bought it. But it's all paleo. So they, you know, they they basically would you have ordered probably $4,000 worth of these waffles,
the showstopper. And I thought
today I'll go, I'll actually go and get the showstopper. For us. The only problem is I get there. And have you seen how they make these things? I'm guessing they use a waffle line. Yeah, but they have like a big batch. And then I sort of making them and then put them aside. Yeah, there was only one serving left. But they can just make more No, no, they were making more but it takes the thing is these aren't like just flour and water and then put them into a fucking machine like, pumpkin, whatever. You know, all the shit that's in the flour. tapioca flour takes it takes time. I've sat there watching them. Make them before
Monday because I could imagine making them if I could get the recipe on a Sunday. I think it could be. I think it could be cool Sunday tradition. Well,
luckily, because there was one left but it means that you gronk are going to be sad. But
let's let's have that was complete side. They said oh, we need to show I mentioned the hair.
I said hey, that's my hair. That's your hair. Right let's show it to the camera. The camera
I need to be able to sit to the change the box of that Tommy day was very into the biodegradable dandruff damp
Yeah, it's you know, I told myself to do that all
they are so it looks very good. The The one thing I'll say is I kind of sniff it smells exactly the same. Yeah, that's perfect. The thing I'm interested in trying. I want the guys to try some as well. I think we could have we could do quarters of the waffle.
I think you have a few bites because this isn't. It's not ideal for fat Friday's that we don't have a shitload of photos that should be there.
Alright, so But the great thing about these also is the ice cream that's on it. What is it? Boy, it's a coconut ice cream. It's a co brand co brand.
They look good. I'm just a little photo. Yeah,
there was a time where I was just buying the ice cream. I realised that I loved the ice cream and would just have that.
Just let's just have a bite first and then everyone would just pass around. Here we go using knife and fork for waffles. Is that normal? Yes. Yeah.
I don't know. It's pretty messy if you done All right,
so the thing is that very dense. It's almost like a cake. Is that there we go. Right. I feel like I'm on one of the master chef. type thing. Here we go. what's
what's the review? Chinese diners
match. Boom. It's good. Can I have no, I'm gonna say if I have a little bit more now I won't have any more. It's um, the other gronk like they put frozen fruit on it. I do these flower things which don't bother with the flowers. Right. There we go. I'm done. This maple syrup as well. There's berries like berries. So you want to try and get the whole
the whole thing is it's like it's like a healthy version
right? Do you reckon? I wonder how I was watching the we follow a dietitian, the savvy dietitian. I think that's her Instagram handle. The sugar like normal lollies versus the 25% lower sugar lovelies. Like three calories different like yeah, hardly any difference. I wonder what the difference is calorie wise on this? Well, I'll tell you what.
There's one thing about these waffles. Patch don't do the show stuffer no more.
No, we didn't make these these package. shitty quality waffles with ice cream and frozen berries.
Baby. These are the high calorie waffles.
I tell you what they are. They're very dense.
frozen berries. And I did get the flowers from my mate who's the chef? I'll tell you the backstory. And then you can polish off those shitty waffles.
More than we have a whole thing
we have about No, it's not even co it's shitty. Vanilla today. I'll tell you the storey. I dropped off at me this morning.
Because you said before before on last night. You said how bad I go past patch. Yeah. And how did the showstopper stuff. You're getting it at 730. We're going to press record. Yeah, show at 830. It's now 846.
I always going to plan I dropped off me and I went to patch and I got myself a little coffee. I bumped into the shift that I know there who used to work there years ago. And so there's grinders that are made doing this thing today on the podcast. We wanted to get the waffles. We don't do the waffles anymore.
Because it wasn't on overwrites by thought there must have been just because they've really struggled with the transportation of the car. Your wife's trying to years they haven't been on the menu. It is actually wide like you can if you don't want to the Uber right, yeah, yeah. It's whited out.
So I was pretty disheartened. And I was like, I'm gonna call JJ I wanted to. I wanted to have a good fat Fridays.
Yeah. And also, you know, to be clean, not really bumping into if you go to someone's workplace. Yeah. It's not really bumping into the workplace. And
today workplace that we have good banter because I had a baby at the same time. He and his wife are having a baby. And so we had baby chat, which was lovely. They're expecting the BB. And so I walked back to the car with a coffee and I thought, What can I do? I was like, What if I go back in and get the box or a box with patch on it? And some of the flight ours?
I reckon I could convince Josh
frozen strawberry was.
But I'll have you know that you said Oh, it's great. They do frozen berries.
I call I came I came into the office. I was like deal.
He's what's going to happen? And we jumped in the car. We drove down to war words. And we
searched in the car or something or have When did you actually make it?
Oh, yeah, sorry about the ice cream that was done with my fingers? Because I didn't that's fine.
Well, yeah, I was like, Oh, it's interesting how they do it nowadays. And so I actually thought I got it quite, quite nice. The funny thing is, I tell you where I'm disappointed. I'm disappointed in when you said we made these. I started when I went to you've got the recipe This is the best. So that's where I went. But this is still really I mean, I'm super grateful. It was delicious. I mean the thing that is these the packet ones that we go path I mean
that we're on special that $3 and I had come in a packet of four Belgian waffles that are full of sugar if they're actually To be honest, but it is fat friday so it is
I think the thing was because it been a couple of years since I had them I was like wow does take a lot sweeter than I remember I'm so glad I could get you on this one we did also put I put into our Slack channel Yeah, I was bagging
yeah the the the big you know the coffee no so I don't understand the big Yeah,
yeah the coffee thing but what is big I
think began is a branding isn't it seven big Iam is like the coffee the big size coffee so maybe there's something around you need to buy coffee and then you get today before 12 not this is relevant to anyone watching you can get afraid pie which I think radio will be heading over there because we wanted to
swear his calls Express around
literally diagonally across straight and so you can get
I mean, so you have to say what's the word? The code word? an eye
on cheesy cheesy, so just gonna go object can you just walk out and just
Don't say another word? Don't say anything else cheesy. Or can you say now in your exit? cheesy cheesy.
That's really because apparently it's connected with a radio station triple and I yet yet and so, but how many people are actually doing that? Because I saw in the comments. Some people thought it was a stitch up. Which is a funny idea. It doesn't exist. We love a good Stitcher.
I want you to stitch me up Josh
I will do
I find it like I think these are all set slowly. I'm never gonna fucking hurt your various you.
I just got diabetes.
Like I wouldn't do something that would really rattle you. I don't think because I thought about this on my level. Yeah, it's annoying that that we need some form of content.
So what happened? How many waffles did you get in the pack for awful but yeah, I
don't even want them. What I think we can do is treat ourselves this and breakfast burritos after the show.
tonight? I reckon we could find out what
have you been thinking about breakfast burrito since we were Julian?
I'm going to say Jules. I hope that you're not deaf because I reckon he was wearing these headphones. And our don't and maybe it was too polite to say anything really nice. So fucking loud. I think
I'll just switch so I can be a
bit of a mess. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Okay, that is really,
this is so much I was aware of my headphones. Anyway. I had to pay down here to Mr. 97 come and grab them. I mean, deals gonna pay. I mean, actually, it's not blind. It's not blind Monday, so I can't.
He's gonna be fucking Damn. Funny that takes me to put them on to
your closer to the actual little things. Anyway, it's been a good week, it's been a grind, what's been your highlight 3d deal.
I finally got into dabbling with Premiere Pro. Like, I finally built up the confidence to tackle it because I always thought it was kind of a confusing software and didn't feel confident in it. But uh, put my put my foot in the ring and tackling some stuff and
this will embrace Josh, should we swap back as I kind of break? This will I think be up
your own you can put them on if
when we started this business, not that not that you if you don't care about your video editing headphones, it doesn't matter to you. But I used to use a programme called Final Cut Pro, which I started on. And the whole reason I started on it was because it's an extension of I movie. Because it's like it's got the site that Apple bought it from somebody else. Do you need a full overhaul of the interface? See
the overly the interface? Yeah, yeah, could I have? It's very admin heavy, guys. You should probably watch this. Go to the daily talk. show.com and watch the video. We do film every single episode. So
yeah, they did.
Well, so Final Cut Pro was very similar to premiere pro in style for years and years and years. Like I I started using Final Cut in 2006. Yeah, I started but I actually was using Premiere Pro before that in like 2004. Yeah, so it was a certain style. And then in I think about 2010 they completely did an overhaul on that software. Yeah.
And then I downloaded it in 2012 called Final Cut
x Hanukkah at 1010. Yep.
And so I stopped using that. And it was easy, and it's a good transition. And it's great on Mac computers. It's flawless. It's fast. It's
you know, it's great. I have the magnetic timeline so baby can just check any footage and it just made it all across.
All industries have something where there's a bunch of like professionals that scoff scoff at people who use a certain I could imagine hairdressers like oh, you use those scissors or you know use you use that blow dry you know, like, couldn't imagine is like, you drive that you'd
if I was a hairdresser on definitely have one of the Dyson like, hairdryers. Is there
is there a Dawson Hey drawn, yeah, they do everything. It's so
good. It came out about maybe two years ago, I've never seen silkier hair
from Return of the Zohan. You know that? That sir? CC. I feel like
I need to watch it tonight. It's so fucking funny. Anyway,
the battle in the video space is a huge Final Cut over Premiere Pro. And so there's like, I always didn't give a shit. I was like, you know, it's about the fucking storey, bro. About the storey. It's about the fucking you know, it's not it's not the What is it? It's not the tool. Yeah, it's what you do with the tool.
Which which makes sense, which I do agree with. But the thing is that if you're using the tool all the time, yeah, it can also can sit like, because they work differently. I think that the way that you interact with it will actually shape the way that you tell storeys. Yeah, anything.
Yeah. 100%. But it's also like if you're, if you're making shit videos, and you're using Premiere Pro, it's not Premiere Pro. Yeah, it's your shit skills.
Yeah, that you need to increase. And so when we started the business, we're both on different platforms. Yeah. Which is very hard, amazing premiere, you're using Final Cut. Yeah,
which they don't play. I don't play nicely together. And so there was some pain points there. But I've started using premier and I haven't used Final Cut in ages. And it's, it's almost like you see the light.
Whether you're I mean, this is part of the one at the Tommy jack will look back at the one idea of Tommy jacket. And one of the like, coming to the dark side. It's like, positive attitude, and all of a sudden premiere, but like which chicken or the egg. So I am
all for you Premiere Pro
Premiere Pro hasn't checked, there wasn't a fucking know, I know.
But the maybe they've been indoctrinated into the circle of premium. But I still have the firm belief that it like, what what's easier, what do the thing that will have the least amount of barriers to start if you haven't ever used a programme, and if you have a Mac computer that's like, you know, before 2014 get Final Cut, it's so much fun, it will just make your life so much easier. I mean, you're very sort of scarred from your early entrance into video life you refer to things like fuckin types in the been where they've been cut, like you have this recall, like, I was telling the guys back in the day. So we film this and we take a stick out, we put it into computer and it's like, it's the footage is then
stick. Holding a USB stick on the side of the camera. Don't knock the stick, we just
take it drop it in Dan. Whereas when Josh first started, he would take his computer, his camera that had a tape in it. And you'd have to play it back for the real duration of the time you feel and that's
that's where even that old school line is people who are probably listening who have we're doing it in like the late 90s where it was like, even more ridiculous all you had to do. But the the thing that I love, there's a couple of things I want to bring back to editing in 2019 that I've lost along the way. What is one of them is having a TV screen that you can view you fully john. Yeah. Because when when I was editing back in like 2005, you had to have a TV connected to your computer because I was editing for Channel 31, which is our station here in Melbourne. And you need to make sure that if you didn't like the utilise something flickering on the screen. Yeah, shit like so you had to what you saw on the computer wasn't what you saw on the TV. And so I would love for us to be able to have all of our edit stations to play on the TV. Even playing for TV, we're not trying to see TV ready? Or if it's, there's an argument that you should eventually we should have it set up. So I don't even know if this is really, there's this software within web design that does it like for checking responsiveness where you can upload a web page, and it will go on all of your devices. That's cool. Imagine that imagine us pressing play for IJ. TV, and it plays on an iPhone.
I think what I love about our combo is that
you have that old Jaden video guy. And I still have that.
What are you talking about? Just take the stick out. It's there is you see how I see your barriers. And you see mine, right? It's like, and then it's like meeting the middle is perfect. Because your way actually means that we're, we're we're hitting those boundaries. He's like making sure that she's perfect or as close to it and
just making sure that like if you've ever had data loss or whatever, all of a sudden, you become a little bit more sort of pedantic and it makes it sound like I don't
Well with my data potential or maybe you haven't had missed a date and that would have
never had a I've never have you never Okay, not been tested.
When you're when you're single. How often would someone get tested for an STD?
Well, if you haven't had sex, probably not worth testing for an STD
that's so offensive.
Man it is confronting going to the doctor and saying Have a look at me penis. What's this?
But you don't even have to do that. Can't you just like to check my bloods? Whatever you thought and then
I am. But just check everything. I mean it's
it's scary. Like if you're testing for comedy or or whatever,
you check, test speaking what chlamydia
things blood test or urine sample did on that either one. But they also test. Look it up on AO they also test for AIDS and things like that. And so you like it all anyway. And nothing's ever happened to me, which is good. It's good for my friends. Some haven't been so lucky.
So you're talking about Final Cut Pro Premier Pro, which naturally went to
just thinking about how I became like I saw someone editing on Final Cut. I was like,
Yeah, well, you definitely
this person was treating Final Cut exactly like a treat. How you use premier. Yeah. So I was like, at some point, I think the difference in how I have it now. Which it's, it's very systematised, like, I know how to structure things. And then I can actually go work on this piece, this piece this piece, and then slap it together. And it's done. Whereas before used to be like fucking working on four different things. The same thing, which is this is boring for people. But I just thought you might like to know because I hadn't told you yet that I
you've converted. Yeah. And Freddie has been killing it on Premiere Pro. The latest snippets have been done by three day deal. Thank you for that. Yeah. So if we get thrown under the bus on Instagram based on the content that goes out, it's it's what is last night, I was like it because I'm trying to I'm going to slowly starting to disconnect a little bit like on the weekend, I'm going to spend less time on my phone. I'm happy with that. Because the the retirement was only how many weeks ago, you know, months ago, and then you've come back on to social media. And then you thought that I had the funny thing is that when I did the social media retirement, you were laughing at me and saying that you're not retired. But But now you see what I'm like now that I'm not retired, you can see the difference. Oh, yeah.
I mean, it's like a comparing you do it to a drug addict. That's fine. But it's like the one that's like, now I'm going through recovery. The person who is in recovery and relapses but then goes back into recovery is doing less heroin. Yeah, that was flat out, Jackie. And so you my friend, yeah. We're in recovery. But just dabbling. Yeah. And then going back to you meetings. Yeah. And then dabbling. But now I'm just straight. You walking down victorious. Right. And just swapping disappointment yesterday. We haven't talked about this. But in Australia. It's quite fitting yesterday. Joe? Julian. Yeah. Who was living in Canada? We got three to do here. It was the first country that brought in No, like taking removing the like, visually and Australia have now implemented on Instagram doesn't bother me at all. One interesting note is this shows the sort of junkie I am found a local what I didn't think was it could be like the Jelly Bean in the jar. You have to isn't no no the Jellybean job the guessing the number of jellybeans and so you could get a prize. So it's like on each post you can even still so wrote one is like you guys have 36 likes? Well, he knows he must have to go on his counter. Yeah. Which is not hot. And yeah, no, but if you want I mean, people who get thousands. Yeah. Because Because the heart if you don't know what happens, your account, in the back end, you can see the lines, but other people can't see how many likes he got. Yeah,
so what we say. You know, I was I was saying like when you posted last night? Yeah. First thing I did was click the others button. And just want to
which is probably because that's set that no, but I'm just curious. I don't look at me like that. 97 did you find out the chlamydia and some of the urine test a swab or a blood test? Oh, yeah.
It's a blood tail swab down the Khokhar?
Yeah, I think like just
because of Google. Are you ready? Okay. But you
just said yes. Like, yeah. I know. But the the Instagram thing. I mean, what I find interesting is Andre from the or Dre from the coconut crew. Is he was off social media. Yeah, you're, you're good night. 97. And he feels like he's come out of retirement the same way I have. I've never seen someone go. So for life. Yeah. Trying to get like a junkie that needs his username. Have you seen that? Have you been following this on Instagram? Yeah, he's, he's saying this TJ,
I saw that he posted some bloody heroic message about Instagram have been implemented some changes. This one,
this is awakened go.
Yeah. What do you say? Sorry, man on the bus.
He wants the username Dre Baba. And so someone, someone else has Dr. Baba in the US. And he's trying to call him out so he can get the name, Matt meaning just get his attention message him. That's because you're such an influencer. And he
says it. Is that right?
Yeah. Oh, I mean, he just he just wants to use it. I mean, I'm guessing the other guys in fantasy is he's probably his name is probably dry by
by Baba or his name's dry. And he's a barber. Yeah. Which gives me more use than to be, let's say you might also Andre back. You went on social media or a month ago. You've just come back on. Fucking rich
kid. Well, I remember I actually deleted Twitter. Yeah, in a retirement, social media retirement in 2011. I got rid of my Twitter account. And then I regretted it straightaway. I like it. When I say straightaway, maybe a week later. Yeah. And because I deleted it before removing the username. The username had gone into one of those pools where you couldn't access it. So there was three months of me as at Joshua Janssen all my tweets, were just me tweeting Twitter support and like, Hey, guys, can you try and relinquish this username on access? I ended up getting it worked yet by doing that ended up. In fact, these
that man that was 2011 I guess the heyday of Twitter probably wasn't for another two years, year and a half. But like I was, I was listening to a podcast the other day without talking about people being like addicted to the Twitter feed. I just don't find the not interested on
I mean, but your your, your drug of choice is integrated. Let's do the old I know we do this quite a bit. But let's just do a quick time spent, you know, go to the gym.
This will Where do you get it again? Or to meet your screen time? To be honest, I'm going to I'm taking a break, not like a big break. how can how can we support keeping the daily talk show Instagram to
so you're saying someone else can fucking spit use their time? Like,
let's all just it rather than me spending have many time how much time I'm spending
the last seven days, and then the per day? amount? Okay,
I think it will probably blow you. Okay, so how many hours for the past seven days. So on the main
breakdown, it's four hours and 14 minutes per day with the top most used and this should impress you. This should make you feel a little bit happy. Instagram was the top, you know, at 10 hours and 15 minutes. I think that's across the way across every
time depressed. Okay, it's 10 hours. That's a long time. It's a fucking lot of time.
What's yours? b boy,
four hours and 42 minutes.
Now that's, you know, that's over the last 72 hours. I mean, that's about to change.
per day, top.
So per day, top number, like
the top number. Yeah, it's only four hours and 43 minutes. Right. Okay, so a little bit more. But Instagram for the last seven days? Because I haven't been feeling very good in the last week. And this could be
meaning what do you mean feeling? A little bit depressed? Yeah.
Exercising? A walk. I feel good today with finish up and 18 hours and 27 minutes.
On Instagram too much. The funny thing is the next one downs, only two hours and 37 minutes, which is crime. 57 minutes on messages. I'm terrible. I message message.
OK, YouTube at four hours and 28 minutes,
55 minutes. on Spotify.
It's pretty much It's amazing. I mean, yeah, there is definitely a direct correlation between mental health and phone usage. It's full on like I even find this doing this show. Seven days is, is making me think a lot more and unlike getting high and then straight into like, I'm trying to check myself constantly checking myself. So I get it and I've got a distraction, which is a kid.
Think about it. I was saying this to Pete this morning. Normally, when you have a bit of an off week, you just like lay low. But the timing what like having a podcast? Like where I was, I was listening to an audio book. What is it the power of right what the power of radio is what it is? Yeah. And they talk about all this stuff in there. I'm mainly listening to it as a way of being like how did radio do it? What are we doing? We were talking earlier in the week trying
to get your head around right? Yeah,
exactly. And so one of the things I talk about is don't say that don't say that you tired if you say that you're tired like people are listening in because they want to feel great and when you're tired it's going to ruin their day
I get that I know that is something that I thought about when I was on radio but I don't think he can do it with this podcast is different you get in the ebbs and flows baby in well that's one thing you like it right but you know sometimes feels bit taught
Yeah, I guess it's like I think that I was reflecting on it. If we're not feeling great, or if something's happened should we are we are our audience better off a you literally stina better off hearing that or not hearing that
making the choice of what's best for the person listening is something you need to think about but then there's also how you don't want to be masking like I got a fucking splitting headache right now. I'm trying to bring my best self I don't know how much it adds to the combo mmm strike in
my fucking right my fucking lip. I think this is all the anxiety so you know how I said the other day I think what side is always the right side? Yeah, I'm fine but sorry to take away from your headache but i think
but yeah so that's why I'm like it's only when I think it's probably worth mentioning if it's directly impacting the people around you so if I was in a sheet mood but I didn't tell you I think they that can be a bit of a
problem because then you just projecting and what have you guys know what is the telltale sign if I'm not feeling good? Because I haven't I haven't necessarily talked about it that man glad you asked it's
food if you haven't eaten your fuck which I want you to just eat more consistently is that I think it's a you actually more regulated Yeah, too much coffee obviously. It's not good not good. What else what else what else so there's been many gone in what you're thinking like you're manic to obsessing over this one thing but I the telltale sign is you in your phone like this procrastination which we all do, but I know you I can tell when you do it's a my wife to I know when she's kind of in her head. She's like doing something that's like this mundane wrong thing right? Because it's like you can be doing that while thinking about the thing you're thinking about you know
what do you guys think
the little things just tricky really hot. I'm trying I'm trying to think of an example of for the past few years it's you right now
i mean it's it's it is a pure state but the static carpet
I mean like it's just it's annoying getting fucking shocked
to How nice is it I haven't been shopping
trying to find the like this into rats have USB
ports now I mean humans will at one point have a fucking USB see important. Yeah,
Brian. So Mr. Nice. He's the only new source.
Now. I watched I watched the whole you watch the Canaan Yeah, what's the 17 minute one it was like the best bits. But then I watched the longer version which is Elon Musk's company in euro link, which is going to fucking Connect people's brains consciousness with fucking computers. So you'll be linked with AI. It's crazy. It's so crazy. Like the shit they've invented is beyond belief like these little fucking wires that are smaller than hair that will be injected into your fucking brain by a robot that will get around blood vessels so they can with a laser as well. Yeah. Definitely not they actually won't be able to penetrate your scalp. But they they have to deal with robots because it's so dangerous and the robot can work out
exactly where the blood vessel is. Are you using the robot the robot?
Yeah, yeah. So humans can't do it too fucking meticulous. And they have to factor in things like breathing heartbeat changing the position of the brain and where where they're penetrating so they that's why robots are the only ones cut out for the don't had
an MRI before. No, I haven't. What is that? It's
like a it's like a dish. Oh, actually. Yeah, have maybe? Yes, I did. Because when I got my nose broken it you had a guy punch me?
What did you do today? Oh, since I did
you know with these friends and then he can punch me from behind like a dog. Anyway,
a king hit a calling card punch now. They call it a counterpunch.
it was Yeah. Anyway, what does that mean? What does that they call it?
It sounded like you said they don't
know why I went to call it King hit. And I was like, we are changing the language about exactly how to punch your faculty. And so your nose was fine by the way
at nose broken and i think i i think i need to get more surgery at some point from a deviated septum. Which a lot of fighters Get it? You know, a lot of UFC guys get Joe Rogan had it now it's like if you've ever had your nose broken, you can feel but I can't breathe as well out of this nostril. And what happens is up there, you can get it sorted, and then I'll be able to breathe. Like a lot of fighters. They fucking cannot breathe and they haven't done that. Like, how was I alive? Yeah,
yeah, you're probably more likely to have like sleep apnea right
now. I'm a good flavour. It's just this one side. You know? anyone notice that? I can notice it. I can just notice like it's more block more so block than the other. But it doesn't i'm not i'm not in an uncomfortable place.
Well, the MMO you have to stay still. That's what freaks me out. My was still for a few seconds. Yeah. No. Well, when someone says Stay still. Yes, that's a lot harder.
Do you think will you start your consciously trying to identify any movement you make? When someone says stay still? It's very hard. Breathing means you're not still. Yeah. heartbeat means that you're not still. It's why they doing the robot thing. But you got it. Yeah, I know. You're being more conscious of your body. Right?
Because even there was Mr. Nice. Evan was showing some prototypes of the app. That what is it called Brian link. Your link mural in your LinkedIn company in
one is the first
release of this product. So new right, Link? They've got a whole lap. And they rah, rah, Euro, Euro, Euro, Europe. What does mirror I mean? It's like neural neural link. Your link
Yeah, was a neural. It's like a brain. Ural is like you've got neural pathways in the head. Really?
Yeah. And you're always collecting of like a neuro surgeon that deals with the brain. Either way, you sign the app, the app, it tells you to think about moving your hand left and right, as a way of interfacing with the iPhone app cycle. And so the funny thing was, I was saying to 97 What are you laughing like he was asking him to do it. And the interesting thing is, if you keep your everyone try it right now, get your right hand, just put it down. And think about moving it to the left hand side of your body, moving your hand, but do not move your hand.
Don't feel your hand tingle, your right hand tingle.
I can feel my hand. But
I got the sense that my hand was tingling, like it was flying it like my brain was doing some orgs.
Yeah, it's really identifying the self like so I'm in meditation in SAM Harris's app. Don't know if you know that I do that.
You know what you are, you should email him and say and say how well it's worked. Because you
haven't you do it?
My business is doing great. And the thing is that us. He's actually like, done it
all night, there is not a chance in hell that I want to pay for the next year subscription. And so but
in the second, you would have had the same effect with headspace.
I know because I like Sam. Like, I like him. He's my He's my one that podcast. I want him on like he's a guy that you could have a serious, fucking serious conversation. I want to I want to be in a position where he's on the show. And I can just ask him dumb questions. Just ask him what I feel is dumb questions, because he's just got the smartest answers. The most exists in New York neuroscientist to the thing that I was thinking about this morning. Jordan Peterson versus Sam Harris. Yeah, I love that combo.
But what's the difference? and not knowing that like, this is me. I haven't spent the there's people who spend hours and hours listening to Jordan Peterson or something. And you've you've listened to a fair bit. So you might be able to call bullshit on this or not. I feel like Jordan Peterson is more likely to tell you what to think. Versus Sam Harris, told you how to think.
No, I think Sam Harris tells you how we think he's so in tune and understanding of how consciousness is but don't you think Jordan Peterson is more likely to say
these are the things like, like the top topics that he's covering is more like stuff that you could use in a debate. But it's actually not like and the Sam Harris is actually giving you. Like if you listen to Jordan Peterson which you used to listen to more Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris. I feel like I feel like there's been a shift or whatever.
Yeah, I like both. I love what listening to together. That's the best thing about them. Right? They are opposites. And I think that's Yeah, they definitely the bit they both said I think Jordan Peterson is, is quite logical. But don't you think Jordan Peterson? Like, I feel like
in a conversation, if you listen to Sam Harris, you're talking about like, being present and how you do all that sort of thing. If you listen to john Peterson, you saying why women wear lipstick?
But I like that, I think that is misrepresenting them by using those words,
right. But I feel like with the Jordan Peterson stuff is always sort of,
I think it's more
or more they, society and how gender issues and all that sort of thing. Whereas Sam Harris, from my experiences through you and what you're communicating is it's actually more about self and how you're in the world rather than getting hung up on status and working and all that. So
she's understand that the I don't know the scientist and one's a psychologist, and the scientist deals with science, like factual science, that science science question logic, right? So you could be logical thing to do right now. But then the scientific fact of this situation is this. And so Sam's following science and psychology psychology science.
yes. But but it's it's not science in the way that
science what is psycho like, I mean, this is why out of our pay grade or whatever the fuck you want to
call it, I think I think
you understand what I'm, if if someone was to say, Who should I listen to? I feel like listening to them, you're more likely to end up developing and an angry dude.
Now Not a chance in hell, you know, think? No. Do you think do you agree dudes are more likely to listen to Jordan? Maybe Maybe because they're fucking struggling? And the thing is, what I listen, do you want to Jordan Patterson's things, and the claims that people make about about him and what he's done to people and what his audience have done? He's like, I'll hold up the fact that I've got 25,000 letters from people saying that I've changed their lives over this fucking statement that your audience is x y&z and are angry. It's like, I think there's more factual information in the fact that he receives
there's a lot of white supremacist that would say that their lives have been changed by some pretty, there's probably a lot of letters to the KKK saying, you see, what I'm saying is like, isn't it isn't isn't that effective? Like,
yeah, but Hell no, what I'm saying is one representing somebody based on just what a few people online as sort of spinning and saying that he's a
bit like, if you go if you watch any, any of his, and maybe it's the type of areas that he's flying in, but you go into onto YouTube, and you watch these lectures, and I my personal experience has been that they normally be your issues, rather, and some of them might help you like, maybe some of them will help us rationalise why we do what we do. But it's not necessarily, I don't necessarily feel like I walk away with coping mechanisms. If anything, it makes me feel more like I'm thinking more about these things. And but make me shoes of stuff.
Whoever Jordan Peterson helps, is the person that is requiring that type of helping the moment. There is many, many self help gurus not saying that's how he sells himself. He's more of an educated self help guru than any of these other, you know, people who've done in coaching course, or just motivational speakers. But you I see how I go through moments of resonating highly with people's content. Yeah. And I've gone through periods with Jordan, I've gone through periods with Sam and you always say
now together, don't you think?
I'm watching some? I've been watching Jordan Peterson's content. Yeah, I don't think they they're not really saying what Jordan paid. Jordan Peterson is a Christian. And he's got an interesting observation, an interesting point on Christianity. And Sam Harris is an atheist. And I like listening to his take on religion, because it's the opposite of Jordans and meaning in the middle. That's what I actually liked that so you get Yin and Yang, in some respects.
Guess that's the other thing too, is like people can have like, Jordan is not no good nor bad. somewhere in the middle. Like, he's got probably some great things, some things that aren't amazing. But I guess it's, it's interesting. If we, if we are who we consume, if we consuming this content, I wonder whether people who are resonating with certain things, they might resonate with the 5% that's not necessarily productive to their self development.
But it's like people want to throw it out. If Jordan Peterson has a few bad eggs, and he's support group or he's only and thrive. It's like, I get that. But it's also what about helping people, if you were to choose, if I was to choose as a person to go, I can create this massive movement, helping a fuck load of people, and I'll have a bunch of bad eggs, you know, Nazis or whatever, that respect some of the things he's saying, because they principles of life, right? They just, they logical principles of how we live and how he exists. If I was to that will have nothing, what would you choose? I'll choose the one that has some bad eggs, but I was able to help a bunch of people. I think that's the reality. You're a comedian, that has always been become, say you so much of ourselves in the audience, probably someone who's killed somebody in that audience. Can you control that? That's the thing, but then people are getting in trouble for the audience that they have.
But it's because but their content draws in a certain type of audience. What
are they saying? That's what I think he's completely misrepresented your debate isn't? Because I don't know what he said. I haven't heard anything that he said that in incites, violence, insights, racism, sexism, any of these things, any
side of it, part of it is that, and this is the interesting thing is it's like, everyone's got their opinions, and you can, but I guess part of it is, what I find interesting is like, I'm not necessarily observing at the, like, at that individual level of what Jordans doing, I'm looking at, like, Okay, how does it impact my friends? Where do they bring it up in conversation? And that's IIK like this is, is this thought productive? Are these ideas productive? And then I
and if you don't understand how it was pitched and how it was said in the context of it, it's like it's misrepresentation. If you don't actually know the information, you're making assumptions based on I get it, your friend might say, xy and z, but it's like it, what can we control? We can control what we say. And he's a guy that chooses his words very, very carefully. And do we have control wreckage of his talking about this? I don't, I don't have control of how someone interprets my joke. I know how I say it, and what I am intending for and if a few people don't understand it will get in the way that I was putting out there. That is not my problem. And
there's a difference between I think there's a difference between Ricky device and Jordan Peterson is Ricky devices, an entertainer that's providing comedy is still highly offensive to people. But I think Jordan Peterson it's the 10 rules of life. It's the he's giving prescriptive ideas of how to live, which is fine. But don't think Yeah, but I think that you can, I don't think just like he's not all bad, and all that sort of thing. But I think that you can, it's risky to say John's are misrepresented, which means all of his ideas are solid.
I think he's misrepresented by people who don't look into his work. And then criticise he's idea
that you think that might there's a lot of people who would be consuming his content that look at like, we assuming that every single person is reading every single chapter of his book. Now, what do you guys think? What do you think three to do? I mean, he's from Toronto, isn't he? Is he Canadian?
Yeah, I think so. I mean, I don't know. I don't think I have a proper stand on this point. Just because I don't I don't listen to either them actively enough to have a proper say. But like, I used to listen a lot to the minimalist, because I found it was something I related to, but over time, I was like, okay, some of these things. I can see where they're coming from, but I don't necessarily agree with it. And I would find other alternatives. And like, there's obviously always going to be people in an audience that are not your ideal customer. Right? But you can't, as the creator, you can't really do anything about it. If something that you've done has connected with someone else, who maybe is not the ideal type of human being. You can't control that. It's just whatever you did resonated with them.
I mean, the beauty of our base that we're creating is that if someone does something wrong, it's just that they're a gronk. And we're, yeah, we're inclusive of all types of gronk. You're a murderer like gronk you're a gronk you're
Yeah, I'm, I'm in a very similar position to do because I don't I don't consume Sam Harris, or Jordan Peterson. I've only listened to like, like, probably half their episode on like Joe Rogan, or whatever. But yeah, Jordan, Jordan Pederson, it's interesting, because he's, he comes from the background of having all the research and all the facts and all the knowledge and all the rigour behind his thinking. But it's the, I guess, sort of like the space that he plays in is like a, it's a touchy area. And so he like, like, what David was saying, he attracts all these people that resonate with his content at him. He doesn't have really control over that. But I just tend to avoid the content because I just don't want to Well, I think if you like, like, Look, look at YouTube recommendations, right? That just fades into his audience. It's literally like, you watch one Jordan Peterson video and the rest to them, just like Jordan Peterson argues with a feminist on air like it literally every Yeah. So it's hard to
get he's not even creating those like,
and sorry. And so that's the point. It's hard to get perspective, when you're fed, is this one bit of content from him, you don't actually get to see unless you actually actively seek this out and search the specific thing
he's got. He's in the game of having complex conversations and people, not complex Lee, not a word, dissecting his conversation. So they take a little bit less simplifying the complex. And he's over here going, I actually didn't say that. Well. So I actually said this, this and this.
And so I guess part of it is, if you've got all of this content. And the idea is that you need to before before you have a true understanding, you need to read all of it to understand the full context. Is there danger then I guess, in the bite sized chunks that can end up nothing?
Because I think they can help so many people? I think so many people. I mean, this is the thing, people who scoff at him. Haven't fucking written a book that sold 2030 million copies they can be.
You can be a fat kid and write a lot of books. Yeah,
but I'm saying I don't I think I think for the fact that there's been huge movement is, it helps a lot of people. And so you hear a few like, within a audience of whatever it is 20 million people. The 5% is very noisy. The don't like him. And you know, there's left is right. This fucking is media outlets that make get, you know, get clicks based on writing articles that are saying, oh, look what these people said, Look what these people tweeted about. So this is the thing. I don't think we you throw him out because he's done so much greatness. Yeah. The people and Sam Harris. I mean, he's a guy that despises Islam. Yeah. And so, I mean, he's polarising, and he's beliefs and thinking, and that's why I like listening to both of them because they're so different.
Yeah, I mean, do you find that? Have you worked out that there's certain people that if you consume them, you're a better version that
I've been consuming Sam, Jordan, all these people, that's what I consume. And I'm like, I'm not leaning one way of going. This is he might hate Sam. Because of that. It's like, that's why I like a full spectrum. And I'm sure and I have
I wonder how many people though, like the full spectrum, it's like, what is a full spectrum?
I'm not listening to lift linear feminists. You know, that's not it's not what I'm listening to. Right. So it's not full special. It's, it's I am least having some. I think it's some a broad spectrum, but it's probably not it's
Yeah, it's probably, essentially, like whoever's on Joe Rogan or like, Is there a challenge? Is there a challenge in us being like, Okay, what could we be listening to? That would actually be that spectrum, like how to we sort of colour our consumption, so that we are then more empathetic to a broader range of Yeah,
exactly. When someone says, I'm open minded bullshit, you know, an open mind. Yeah, you're in your mind that has an echo chamber.
But isn't that a biggest danger? I guess the biggest like, it's the Joe Rogan effect, where it's like, there are a bunch of people who will only listen to Joe Rogan. Or they only listen to Joe Rogan. And there is this assumption that like, they've got a good grasp of the world based on what one dude is, of course. Yeah,
yeah, it's exactly right. And when you're the biggest podcast in the world, you have a lot of influence. And this shit that he says that I'm like, I was watching a podcast if he's, it was a highlights of someone else. Bryan Callen, one of my favourite comedians. He's Joe's best friend. And there was like, five episodes, you know, 32 of the Joe Rogan show is amazing seeing their set up and shoots crazy, like, but he went to like, 145 and the shit they're saying Back then, I know you doesn't say now. And so
have an evolution in ideas and all that sort of thing. Yeah, I think there's just something I think we can all do an audit on what we're consuming. Yeah.
But you've also got to go anyone you're criticising that he's saying something or not selling or basically communicating an idea at a at a high level at a mass media level? is it's a fucking, I think courageous is the right word. It's, you need to be quite brave to do it. Because when anyone can criticise these people, are you willing to stand up and have your opinion app to the masses? I don't think anything a willing to
bits because they they haven't entered into that arena
yet. So then what gives them the fucking right to criticise? I think
the thing that I think that if you really thought about if you're, if you're playing in the public arena, and you're willing to give big ideas that are going to impact people, there should be a level of critical thinking that is applied to it. And so I mean, that's the thing. Like, what's the alternative? It's I know, like John's days research, just respected, you know, but what I'm saying is like,
I think a lot of people's thoughts on Jordan wouldn't stand up in a conversation with him, because he's thought about it. So it's at this, this micro thinking on a Mac, a macro topic, right? So it's like this. I didn't like this, but it means this and this is this is where wouldn't stand out. That's why I'd like to have these people to ask the dumb questions, because I think we all ask the dumb question. But the interesting is the the interesting thing is that she's thinking,
right, doesn't mean it's right. So, yeah,
and so I guess that's what?
Yeah. But either,
because people are questioning science.
Yeah, people are all of these things based on science, you know,
I'm saying for people questions, Sam's thinking, like, Well, fuck, dude, he's a he's a scientist, scientists rely on facts, you're relying on feelings. You know, a lot of people are hypothesis, feelings on facts a lot of the time,
but I guess part of it, but it's also like how I mean, this is we're entering into conversations where we don't understand which is why I think my point of it is, I think that when, whenever you have quoted Jordan Peterson, it's amped up. And it's normally more negative, then whenever you talk about Sam Harris, but you know, it's all it is more like, I feel like when you're talking about things that you've learned from Sam Harris, these empathy and thinking and, like, if you think about it, Sam Harris is like, from what I've experienced from you, is it always comes from a place of how am I feeling? How am I reacting in the moment, whereas wherever you talk about Jordan Peterson, it's like, people don't understand him. We're doing this slightly
different things. I'm, I'm talking about him being misrepresented. It's not saying I'm not quoting him, but I think that
more I think people are more inclined to enter into that world which
needs to do a piece of work if you criticise Jordan Payson consume his whole entire book, don't consume the first chapter. That's the thing don't like, if you are wanting to have an objective opinion on something
actually understand. If you read the book, is it an objective?
Well, I think you can, there's a bunch of people
who would read the book and say, I am now now I've read the book. I'm objectively going to tell you I don't like it based on the link to it. That's okay. I don't think it is. I think that that is that. Like, there's so many examples of that where people say, hey, I've read the book, which is now why I'm in a position why I can say that it's not good. Maybe
you have, the problem I have is the lack of informational facts that they actually have, in the criticism, criticism, if you're willing to beat down someone's idea that they've thought of, you need to have some information, some ideas, some facts of why, because every time someone criticises it, they obviously saying, that's a bad idea, then what is the good idea? I think that's the conversation isn't
like this. There's heaps and heaps and heaps and heaps and heaps of ideas. Yeah. And what we, the idea is that we focus on and that like, there's ideas that are right and wrong, that are both right,
I'm not even saying right, however,
but there is like that the opposite can also be true on a bunch of these different things in everything is so nuanced. And so trying to apply a single idea of saying, This is what it is, this is how it is, or this is, it is then putting a certain lens or spotlight on to life that might actually be unproductive to what we need to learn. So we're actually just securing our own position, rather than being like, Oh, yeah, because you can say, it's easy. That makes sense. There's a lot of ideas that you could say make sense, but isn't necessarily good for society, or for relationships, or for all that sort of thing.
But I think when we question anything, and if we don't agree with it, we're obviously saying it's wrong. So what then what is the right what's that version? I think that's where people struggle to articulate if you know, the criticism of something, but then they're also what they what's the answer to that, then if you're saying my answer is wrong, then what is the answer? do that work and finding out what the right answer is?
Well, maybe it's maybe it's like, whatever you should be on what you should be focusing on. Maybe that's part of it. I part of it is like when, if if someone's having a discussion with someone else, it's on a big issue. And then someone's like, Hey, here's a factor an idea. And this is why I think you're wrong. Maybe you're focusing on the wrong bit like that, I guess. And so what you're saying is, you need to match whatever someone says, with their idea and say, Hey, you need to prove that specific one. Whereas I feel like,
I'm just saying, question yourself, because if you think someone's wrong, you do you have the answer to it. But it's like, but just question why you think something's wrong? And then men, so do some work around? Why do you think the thing what is right? What
does a person who gets that bit of information from Jordan Peterson should probably do the same?
Of course, they're testing it on their belief system. They're old. And
I guess that's the point is I get what could be lost in the conversation as it sounds like, it's like, you need to prove why. What Jordan saying is wrong.
But in a Tommy line, overview, Jordan pace, and he's trying to help people be better people. That's it. And so that's where you you comment on the lipstick thing, or whatever. It's like, you're actually looking at the wrong things, because I think he's saying the wrong things.
Maybe he did. But that's what I'm saying. Like, the stuff that I get, like, I feel like the stuff that looks like I'm going to consume this content, it's like, okay, deconstructing feminism, or whatever it is? What are you going to walk away? Are you going to walk away a bit of feminist? Or are you going to walk away with ammunition as to why? You know, I think you see,
you definitely see the trends in what people want reporters and things people talk to him about. And it's kind of died down on talking about PF all this shit. It's like, you see how it is not that productive? Because it's complex in his family's productive. I think that like, it's, it's, it's
on anyone that's benefiting from a pay gap?
No, but I'm saying it's not productive in trying to get sound bites out of him talking about why there is no pay gap. You know, so my point is that he hasn't been I don't see him being spoken to about that shit. In recent days. Yeah. Which is a good thing, I think, because I don't think it's that productive set, communicating to the masses that there is no gender pay gap. It's this is why there's no gender pay it, you know, I'm saying, I don't think that's productive talking about that shit.
But my point is, going back a year, that was a bit like, you would send me videos on like, hey, why,
but we'll we'll having conversations around all the shit. Yeah. And so Cindy, I'm not just sending you fucking random videos about
I know that. The point is that people can easily say, Hey, this is why the funny thing is, watch the same video. And I'd be like, Oh, actually, I got this out of Yeah, it is.
But you're throwing it all that. So it's like, masses, but then there's a few things you don't like about that? A mass amount of people? That's what I'm saying. A mass amount of people.
That could all look very similar. Yeah, but it all come from the same sort of experience,
I think. Yeah, I mean, this is the thing. It's, he's helped a lot of people. And people want to throw out him with any kind, any any negativity surrounding him. But so why would you do that? Why Why would you do that? Like, what? Why are people criticising someone who's helped a lot of people?
I mean, he's helped a lot of guys into the Nazi stuff, but fucking there was talking about there. Yeah, but because this is the thing, that idea that you if you help a lot of people, you, by default, should shouldn't be criticised. Or you need to tell you
I'm not saying don't criticise it. I'm just saying he, he doesn't need to be thrown out. Just because some people, some, some off people have resonated with these content. Yeah, no, I didn't think that I didn't think you should. And when you bring up the Nazi thing, like you see how much that is to be people know,
what I'm saying is what you're saying is the the idea that if someone's helping a bunch of people, why
is that though? Why aren't we looking at that? Why is the Why is the focus on the few bad eggs that have been helped? I don't think
the funny thing is when I'm saying the Nazi thing, I'm not saying that he's breeding that I'm saying the thinking, but imagine
having your name connected to that shit, when that's not your intention. Imagine if we all of a sudden had white supremacist following the show your gronk your white supremacy is a fucking hard situation that we're in, you know, like, we can't like what away fucking assholes
know what I think that that's I think the hard thing is that you're trying to if you try and look at it in a black and white sort of setting, but that
same black and white, I saying this bad shit. And so you're focusing on that? No, no,
no, what I'm saying is, you're saying we shouldn't be critical of him. He's helped a lot of people i'm
not i'm saying why are we focusing on how many people he's helped? That's when the people get so negative about him. It's like, the war to battle the fucking people. He's helped as well, like
that. But that's it. But that can't be if someone has a critical thought on someone.
But I don't think they have critical thoughts. I think it's just
that production understands,
like your job. Don't understand. But that's so don't you? There's been no fat. Yeah, this is that, I think, happen. Because, you know, mind all these people's criticism, that sort of thing I don't, that's where I think there's lack of maybe you're not listening, because of it like the crew, because their reads,
there is a bunch of like him focusing on certain things within, in the reflection of, say, feminism, for instance, and saying, you know, like, there's so many examples, where it's like, is that productive, like, people using that in a productive way? And I'm just saying a being used a bunch of times where it's like, it's, it's not productive. And so my point is that it's like, anytime someone's critical, doesn't mean they necessarily have this massive agenda against him. They just saying, you know, what, like, how can we think critically about these types of things, if we're going
to the people that are critical, because he's the most criticised intellectual of our generation? So I mean, you're, you're, you're pointing out somebody that's like, that's a time fucking example. Right? I criticise. Because if he's thinking, Why? Because if he's ideas, because he wises
up, what's wrong with these ideas? Do you think what I can,
what isn't? Like there is things that are wrong with him. There's things that are right with Him. So that's the thing he uses.
So that's my point. So why so that should be the first discussion. It's like, there are things that are wrong with it. It doesn't just require the people only criticise him, we got to look at the positive things. It's like noisy, though, the criticism of him, or the help that he's given? What's more noisy? You said that he said, What 22 million books? Other 22 million books sold? of someone saying that? He's not great. I don't think so. I think he's got any I think he's got enough noise around what
he's doing. And my question wasn't, what's more noisy? I think my question was, what's more noisy, but to you, I think what's more noisy is the criticism, because this is the things you talked to me about it. I think it was piece that he said that I, you know, that everyone's looking at now. And so that's sort of it, it's just media is, you think about the topics that will get people fired up, and that they'll
want and he enters into those space.
He's also asked, like he said, He's also asked about all this shit. Yeah. And so my point is, the people like the the media outlets that apart, these videos are also benefiting from the criticism. And so it's this spiral, right? I'm not saying don't criticise these ideas. He's, he can stand up for himself. I don't need to I know, I'm not even trying to fucking say, you know, I'm not trying to stand that I'm trying
the reason why I think people bring up the Nazi stuff, right? I don't know, if people generally do it's just something that I was thinking of
it because that's the noise you've heard about, you know, I've heard that noise too. But it's not
a criticism of journalism and media and all that sort of thing.
has been used as a tactic for some really negative stuff in the world. And so I guess that's part of it is it's fine. But is it not true? Do you not think that's true? You're not what do I media outlets are using things that topics that are button pushing? And I think, I think in some cases, yeah,
I think that the media is made up of individuals who have a, some have a responsibility to get better people to view their content, which creates, you know, which forces them in a position to create critical things and to be headlining and where take where, which is also forces things to be extremely complex, to be broken down into a headline.
And so if your echo chamber is a left leaning news outlet, or right leaning news outlet, what's going to happen? You're going to be led by that criticism, all that noise around certain things. So
is that is that not that? I guess part of it is are you coming from? If you think about what you're consuming, you talk about the spectrum? If yours is a certain way, could there be a blind spot that this discussion is showing that you have based on?
I'm a bit of a better person than I've ever been? Yeah, what's
positive? It's a it's a positive thing, which is my point is, I haven't heard Jordan Peterson's name in a bunch of like, a few months. And whenever Jordan Peterson was the discussion, you seem like unproductive. And so my point was, you are what you eat. What you consuming? Is the Sam Harris stuff, right? Jordan paste into? Yeah.
So this is what I don't understand. I don't know if the point you're trying to make is that I'm only consuming Sam. So I'm better. But it's like, I'm consuming a lot of stuff. So sure, I have blind spots. But I don't think I'm over here saying some of this stuff, you know, negative things. What's my brain?
What is my blind spot? Do you think with this?
I think there's
I'm probably in a similar position position to in terms of, because I don't I don't consume any Jordan pages and content. So all all my echo chamber is is hearing the Elon Musk's voice. Now it's hearing. It's hearing. Jordan Pederson on Joe Rogan and Joe prompting him to answer these questions. Or like, on YouTube, something might pop up. And it's and it's negatively position. So I don't actually hear about the fact that he sold all these books and helped all these people. But then insane that it's like, I get the point, like he's entering into these conversations. And it's why his arguments in these Why is he being criticised is because of his thinking. And, and so I look at it, I look at it from there, but I think your blind spot is similar to mine in terms of probably needing to fully form an idea by actually consuming more of his content. Yeah,
yeah. Yeah, I think
that was the conversation, I think, is for anyone that's in the conversation. So I'm not gonna, they didn't just go, I'm right. You're wrong. Oh, he's right. He's wrong. It's like, you've then done a bit of work there. Well, I think that there's like, I think I think what it is right? Yeah, don't consume a bunch of his content. And then you hear conversations had by people. One was on Dan to boost podcast where he had a girl on that was doing a comedy show about Jordan Peters.
So that's I guess that's the the disadvantage of poorly thought out criticism, which to me was entering into dogma, which or the is dogma, the right word? It's sort of like that single focused. That would like, it didn't feel like there were many points actually brought up. Yeah. I guess from a broader perspective, what I'm talking about is the nuance of all of this sort of stuff.
And I'm questioning that there is the reason he wants I think, I think it's actually in the last couple of years, I think there is some sort of it's, I think it's calmed down slightly.
What do you think, Jordan? I guess the bigger question is, what is Jordan Peterson represent for you? What does he represent?
a logical approach to life? And how to be a better person? I think he's gone on a mission to help people be better.
And I guess. So based on that, anyone that's criticising that you can say Why? You get pissed off? Because you're saying, this is a guy trying to do good, who's logical? Who's just bringing logic into the world?
Not just logic, logic, not even just logic, I think what I take from his principles of life, is that it's like, yeah, that is a simple, logical thought, that has had a lot of thought to it behind it. Would
you ever thought, have you ever listened or consumed his content? in question? Definitely.
Yeah, I think I do more. So now.
And so. And so more. So now what, what changed for you?
I think, putting a filter of being more sensitive to what the words mean for some people, whereas scientists, even Sam Harris, he's not he's not afraid to offend some people. Can you sound logical, empathetic?
Yeah, that's a hard one. Because like, why don't I just, I just feel like when people in the argument of argument of logic, it's like, this is, this is logical to me should but it might not be logical to someone else. Which if you're not being logic, if you're not putting on the lens of is it logical for someone else, then it is. Like we not using empathy, I guess the other point is, is it's like, if if you can see if you're reading this, and or consuming this content, and you're saying, some of those markers, where you're not quite sure, putting the lens of the person who spectrum is the other way to yours. And they are listening to the different types of content, say where the friction
costs. And I'm not saying that what he says isn't going to offend
paper people. But we're not even talking about being offensive or not. I think sometimes it's just like, easy to productive conversation within the spectrum. Because I, you know, if there's a spectrum of people who are consuming that type of content, do they need to hear more reinforcing content around this specific thing? Or do they need more empathy in that moment? I don't know.
It's a habit. And then, at what point do we listen to people's feelings over factual informational facts around something science over feeling? You know, at what point does that then change? where we actually know what science doesn't matter anymore?
Yeah, I feel like there's probably a bunch of people who can be pretty country based on just doing site. Like, just like, if I hadn't made who every single time I was feeling as NY
said, well, the sign now talking about big, I'm not talking about, you know, friendship. I mean, sure, there's some Yeah, that that person would be a CU antenna. But I think what about 20? With CCY? But when there's when that's at a, at a fucking government level, where we we forget things?
Yeah. Yeah. It's it's,
I guess, I guess the point is, is like if you consuming something, and if you understood if, if you believe in 90% of the stuff, but there is a 10% that you're not sure on? Then think about that. 10%. And think about someone who's completely the opposite to you when their beliefs. You can say the friction points, of course. And then and then is it productive? Does Jordan Peterson need defending?
I don't know. There's you need the cruiser. Yes.
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way? Well, I didn't even think we're actually saying much other than exploring, we're doing what most
people would be this is,
I think we're doing more than what most people do. I don't think they explore whether it's right or wrong. They just either feel what's right or wrong. And then that's all they do. So the I think the takeaway is like, yeah, I think we do need to get outside of our echo chambers. And we're and listen to other shit that doesn't feel good when we're listening to it. Because if it doesn't feel good, then it's probably a sign that it's not what we believe in or, you know, that's in alignment with how we actually think now, but it doesn't mean it's a bad thing that we feel that way. Yeah. And that's how we can expand and change. Yeah, I'm hungry. I'm hungry. I need some real food not
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