Julian Haig And Tapioca Flour

Josh: The Daily Talk Show.

Tommy: It's a Daily Talk Show episode 397, and we got a special guest in the studio, Julian Haig.

Julian: G'day guys, how's it going?

Josh: Julian, you're an actor.

Julian: Yep.

Josh: Uh, are you more comfortable being someone else or being yourself?

Julian: Right now I'm not sure.

Josh: You can slip into character.

Tommy: Yeah, it's all good.

Julian: Probably just start talking in American accent to feel better. My palms are sweating. I feel like I'm On the plane ride back over here, I was watching Free Solo.

Tommy: Yeah.

Julian: Oh, a documentary. Yeah. And I feel like that right now. The whole, the whole time my palms were sweating. Yeah. And I kept looking at my palms. Jesus. Like my palms are just like—

Josh: Same thing was happening with me watching one. Like it was a similar one on Netflix that was—

Tommy: Valley Uprising.

Josh: Yeah. Rock climbing.

Julian: Oh yeah.

Josh: I just feel so pathetic sitting eating M&M's. Like, why are the M&M's melting so quickly? Well, it's just my stress levels.

Tommy: There's no chance of dying in this studio, Julian. Yeah. Okay.

Julian: Well, yeah, true.

Tommy: Well, welcome home. I haven't seen you in a couple of years.

Julian: Yeah, it's been a few, I think.

Tommy: So how long were you in Canada for?

Julian: All up about 3 years, I think.

Josh: Geez.

Julian: Yeah.

Tommy: Shit.

Julian: I came back for 6 weeks over sort of like that Christmas, recent Christmas break. And I didn't know what was happening if I was going to go back to Canada. And then, yeah, they, yeah, Riverdale asked me back. And so you went back over there.

Tommy: Backstory, Julian and I met through mutual friend Tommy Davidson's cafe.

Julian: Patch.

Tommy: Uh, you were working there many years ago, and, um, I used to come in and eat free food. And, but then you asked me to film, and I, I knew you were a model. I didn't know you were delving into acting, right? And you said, oh mate, can you film a scene for my— was it your showreel?

Julian: Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: So am I responsible for getting you the role in Riverdale? Is that the showreel?

Julian: It all comes back to you, mate.

Josh: You win! The only reason Tolly brought you here.

Julian: We can, we can totally let you believe that.

Josh: Well, the reason I brought you here is because, uh, the Showstopper which is the, uh, the waffles at Patch. I used to order them Uber Eats.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And I've asked, uh, Tommy to get into Tommy D's ear about finding out what the recipe was for the waffles.

Tommy: And mate, the prick wouldn't give it to me.

Julian: Tapioca flour.

Tommy: Fuck, we've got—

Josh: can you believe that? Is that really tapioca?

Julian: I'm pretty sure that was it.

Tommy: Well, he actually was—

Julian: basically everything was just tapioca flour.

Josh: I believe the same. Smashed avo was I guess that's because it was a— Is it still a paleo?

Julian: I don't know. I haven't been there in a few years. Is it still paleo?

Tommy: It's still there. It's just changed multiple times. I don't know if they still do.

Julian: Have they started serving grain?

Tommy: Well, you wouldn't want to if you bought it as a paleo.

Josh: They have a heavy brunch.

Julian: You wouldn't want to, but sounds like some things have changed.

Tommy: The waffles are very fat naked now.

Julian: Very grainy.

Tommy: No, but Tommy would never, seriously never give me the recipe on that. He's like, Can't, mate.

Josh: I couldn't believe it.

Tommy: I haven't asked him in a couple of years, but we should. But I'm glad we've got it. Tapioca flavor.

Josh: I felt like the sale of Patch was based on the intellectual property of those waffles. And so that's probably why it was such a big deal.

Julian: Julian, they were good waffles.

Tommy: When you went over to Canada, so you went with the showreel. I mean, the one scene I gave you is probably, probably shit, poorly edited.

Julian: Okay. So yeah, a bit more backstory was I was working at Patch and I went to 16th Street Actor Studio. So that's why I sort of moved to Melbourne, was to like study acting. And then yeah, we met and I was like, oh, you're doing a bunch of video stuff. We got chatting about all of that. And then at the time I was like, you know, I just finished acting school and I was like, okay, I need to shoot a scene or get a showreel together. And I was like, oh, maybe Tommy can film, film it. And we just put this scene together. In hindsight, I mean, everything you do is kind of worth doing, of course, for the learning experience.

Tommy: It's a nice way of saying it was horribly filmed. It was filmed better than was acted. No, I liked it. You know, the funny thing—

Julian: Are you sure?

Tommy: It was a scene from, um, Bloodline. Bloodline with Ben Mendelsohn.

Julian: It's all coming back.

Tommy: So funny, Amy and I, because when you're filming—

Julian: Oh yeah, Amy was there too.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah. So my wife was there and we started running the scene to each other after the day because there's this one line where it's like, um, oh yeah, you know, they're brothers and he's like, soon you'll know, then you'll see, or something like that. But I can't remember if it— I think it was you.

Julian: I think it was my mate Kisrow.

Tommy: Yeah, saying this line, but we just kept saying it for 6 months after that.

Josh: It gets stuck in your head, doesn't it? Like working on short films or whatever. Like, do you even find that with dialogue? Like, there's certain words that will get super sticky. For instance, like Tommy in a video on YouTube, on our YouTube channel.

Julian: Actually, you're right.

Josh: He says a laptop and an obike. And now you can't— if anyone says a laptop within our office, we all finish the sentence.

Julian: Where's the obike?

Josh: Yeah.

Julian: Yeah. Does it get sticky for you? I think some bits have gotten sticky, but I guess at the moment, just because it's been a few months, there's nothing still there. But I think at the time, yeah, it's when you, you hear something over and over, I don't know, in, in some different ways, you're like, you keep thinking about it, or like stuff other people have said to you, you keep thinking about it and just keeps playing in your head.

Tommy: What's a—

Julian: I mean, the weirdest thing is I have like, I have dreams where it's like in Riverdale.

Tommy: Like, that's probably in the, in the, in the scene, the place that is Riverdale, but sort of like, yeah, the characters are kind of there.

Julian: It's just like, it's not the actors, it's the characters and stuff.

Tommy: Yeah, that's bizarre.

Julian: So you went over there, but I guess because you're putting yourself in that mind frame of that world a lot, it kind of makes sense that you might have a dream.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it's repetition, right? You're trying to read this stuff, digest it, think about it, just really sort of burn it into your, your brain so that you can just pull on it. And so you're not having to say it like—

Julian: yeah, it's a weird trick, right? You're trying to get it in You're trying to get it in your body. That's what I mean. That's the, the kind of—

Josh: where, where do you get it in there?

Julian: Oh, we're allowed to talk about shelving?

Josh: Okay, it's the actor's secret dialogue. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Julian: And that just comes out naturally, don't need to push.

Josh: What is the actual strategy of, of remembering? So you mentioned being in the body. What does that actually Do you ever do the memory games?

Julian: Well, it's because you're saying like you've got to burn it in your brain. And I think that—

Tommy: Well, I say you remember. My thinking is remember it like—

Julian: If you guys can help me how to do this, this would be great.

Tommy: I can't remember shit.

Josh: If it was loose, if they would be like, look, by the end, we want you to say like you don't agree with what the person's saying. I can improvise. But the idea of like, I can be like, yeah, nah.

Tommy: Like verbatim, like having scripts that you need to hit every line.

Josh: If I had to remember a specific word, that's where they would— Right. Yeah.

Julian: Okay. So, I think the thing that helped me a lot was this teacher, Linda Darlow, in Canada. She helped me with this a bit because this was kind of my— still is a bit like I have nightmares. Back to dreaming. I have nightmares where like I haven't learnt my script.

Josh: Yeah.

Julian: And then I've got to go perform it or I'm in a play or something and I'm just like—

Tommy: Yeah.

Julian: It's like it's the actor's nightmare.

Tommy: I think it's the same. Filmmakers is like not buttoning on, forgetting the camera, the cards, you wipe the card, like all that. Yeah.

Julian: Even before coming to Today I was like, what if I forget how to talk? Like, what if I forget how to process the thought? And I'm struggling right now.

Josh: I mean, I'm surprised it's coming out.

Tommy: Job's a job. Not saying cleaning's a bad job, but do you think cleaners are having nightmares about cleaning like putrid toilets?

Julian: I mean, have you had a cleaner on the show?

Josh: No, we have not yet. It's tomorrow.

Julian: Maybe you might have to get one in to test it.

Josh: Yeah, I feel like there's definitely horror. That would definitely be something we'd do though. Yeah, I could imagine there's horror storeys of a cleaner like leaving, setting off an alarm or something.

Tommy: Yeah, just fucking shit up, bleaching carpet or something.

Julian: You need to find an actor who was a cleaner and be like, so what's the difference in dreams and nightmares? Did you—

Josh: Have you spent any time in LA?

Julian: Yeah, I just got back from LA. I did a month there just crashing with a mate.

Tommy: So, did you go to Canada easier to get the old visa or do you just wanted to go there?

Julian: It's a long story.

Tommy: Not allowed in the USA, you can see.

Julian: Short story. I've just moved there for acting and yeah, getting a visa is easy, but like I knew because my sister had done a bunch of series shooting up there already, and so I already knew like it was a busy place to be for acting. Whereas I think a lot of people, they hear that there's opportunity up there, but they don't really have a— it's not like it definitely is for them, whereas I knew it was. So I knew it'd be a good move to like just base myself up there for a bit.

Tommy: Yeah.

Julian: But then the longer storey is like I was in a relationship with a girl who booked a show.

Tommy: I remember, I remember her.

Julian: Oh yeah, I met her.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, we don't like her. We don't like her.

Josh: You never said you have to say.

Tommy: You gotta work out what side you're on.

Julian: If you're listening, uh, no, no, um, no, we're still mates. We're still, we're still mates.

Josh: But does Tommy like her?

Julian: Yeah, yeah, I mean, that's a lot of my mates tended to not like her.

Josh: It's a— I mean, the risk, the risk is when people break up, sometimes you might then get back together or you guys are cool, but then you're friends with a friend.

Julian: And your friends are like, oh, she was such a bitch.

Tommy: I told you from the start.

Julian: Yeah. And then like, yeah. And then like you get back together and your mates are just like, oh yeah, no, she's just— I guess she's okay.

Josh: Yeah.

Julian: No, but I mean, yeah, it— I moved there kind of with her. She was from the States. She'd booked a show up there and, uh, So I moved up there thinking like, okay, I'm going to get myself an agent, get into it and everything. Um, and then we were going to basically be living together and we broke up after about a month.

Tommy: Oh, that sucks.

Julian: And, uh, yeah, yeah. But there was a point, I remember sitting in a car opposite her, um, and just thinking like, oh, like, yeah, this is going terribly.

Tommy: Yeah.

Julian: But I feel like I'm meant to be here.

Tommy: Yeah.

Julian: So it didn't feel like at times it felt pretty overwhelming, like like, you know, big moves can feel pretty overwhelming, but it didn't feel like I was in the wrong place.

Josh: Yeah, well, it seems like it's the most stressful thing you can do in any relationship is like moving house, let alone moving from one place to another. It's a good way of like—

Julian: side of the planet.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, to like test a relationship.

Julian: It tests you.

Josh: I mean, what's, what's Vancouver like? Because I've heard it's this beautiful oasis with like lots of heroin. Oh, really? Yeah. Is it got like a big drug issue?

Julian: I mean, no, the heroin there is great.

Tommy: Nothing wrong with the heroin.

Julian: No, it's good stuff. No, there's like a pocket in Gastown where it's like a real problem. There's like, yeah, a lot of overdoses in the one little area. So, it's not necessarily the whole of Vancouver has a problem.

Josh: Yeah.

Julian: It just seems like when you're downtown and in Gastown in that area, that it's a serious problem. It's just, yeah.

Tommy: We've got a fellow Canadian. I mean, you're not a Canadian, but you're the closest thing to being a Canadian over Josh and I. I've never been there.

Josh: Oh yeah, I've been there. Yeah, I haven't been to Vancouver though.

Tommy: You're from Toronto?

Josh: 3D Deal is from Toronto.

Julian: I didn't even hear the accent before. Really? Yeah. Well, I think I'm not actually— I don't think I'm as tuned into anymore. Like, I, you know, you just hear an American accent or an Australian accent. Yeah. You don't think like, oh, like different. You just like, it's all.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Shitloads of Aussies though in Vancouver.

Julian: Heaps.

Tommy: Yeah. So, do they stick? Does the accent stick out? So, you're walking around, you're hearing, there's an Aussie, there's an Aussie. Yeah, it does.

Julian: But like I'm saying, like, I think after about 3 years, I'm used to Aussies being there. And I've got so many mates who are Aussie and Canadian. So, it's kind of like you just, you're used to the blend now. But I remember at first, or like even with travelling in general, at first you're kind of like, oh, I can hear an Aussie across the restaurant or the bar. Yeah, you know, I can hear the twang from a mile away. Yeah, yeah, you just know. Yeah.

Josh: So being on a show that's on Netflix, what is the impact that actually has on like your personal life or like social media? Is it just like people end up start following you and what's the, what's the process?

Julian: Yeah, it's, it's been interesting because my role hasn't been like a massive lead on the show, but you had your top off, so it helped.

Tommy: Yeah, that, that helps the sexual followers, right?

Julian: Yeah, the demographic. Um, but no, it's, um, it's been, I don't know, it's been an interesting kind of ride for sure. I mean, even just like internally, I think it's, it's something that you grapple with and, um, struggle with. And I think a lot of people wouldn't realise the tough— what, what is tough about that. And like a lot of, you know, agents, managers and stuff talk about exposure and how good that is. And then it's funny how like, I don't know, maybe it's just me, but like a lot of it— and you guys are dealing with exposure too, but like—

Tommy: oh, we can't walk down the street.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Julian: Ordering a coffee is hell.

Tommy: Yeah, you just don't want us.

Josh: You like it in here too much. I don't do it. You don't actually leave the house.

Julian: Um, but yeah, it's kind of a weird feeling, uh, when you feel exposed. Yeah, you know, it could be kind of confronting.

Tommy: You look at— I mean, their business model is for you to have maximum exposure to get to get you in front of more people, to land yourself more work, to get them money, right? So that's their incentive.

Julian: For managers and agents, yeah, they're thinking like, yeah, they talk in like momentum and yeah, yeah, exposure and heat. And you're like, you say heat?

Tommy: Heat.

Josh: What do they mean by heat?

Julian: Heat means like, um, if you're hot, it means a lot of people are talking about you, want you.

Josh: Do we have heat, do you think?

Julian: I think you guys are, you guys feel pretty hot.

Tommy: You're on heat.

Julian: Looking pretty good.

Josh: Are you feeling flushed? Yeah, I do.

Julian: I'm constantly flushed. Maybe I'm going through menopause right now, so maybe I'm hotter than my manager says.

Tommy: Do you think it's, um, something that you thought you wanted, but then when it's— when you have a little bit of it, it's like it feels different?

Julian: Um, I think, I think I've been getting like— I think it took me a long time. I started acting a bit later. I started acting at like 25, um, whereas I think a lot of people get into it thinking, oh yeah, I want to be famous, or I want that. And it, it's a lot harder when you don't have really good reasons why, you know. You need to, like, for, for anything you do in life, you got to have some solid reasons why. I think it just won't happen. It'll fall away. Or then when you get that thing, that the, the reason why wasn't very, I don't know, uh, truthful or like deeper, it kind of just like you end up in a pretty, I don't know, weird headspace.

Tommy: Maybe we've got a few options, right? I think the, the one about fame can serve you on your journey across time upon reflection, right? So you can go, I want to be famous, I want to be a presenter. I remember thinking something around that. Yeah, but then I worked out that to be a presenter required holding up a camera, filming shit, and then I'm like, fuck, I love making videos. I fall in love. So it's like, you know, you might want to be famous, but then you've discovered the thing that you want. So in some senses it can be— the thing is, if you pop in that time, right, if you pop in the— if you're hot, if you're heat, you're on heat in the time that you go, I want to be famous, and then you go do one audition and you fucking become famous.

Julian: Yeah.

Tommy: Imagine the downhill, like, just the narcissism that you'd grow. Your ego would be out of the world.

Julian: Yeah.

Tommy: Yeah.

Julian: I almost feel sorry for people that hit it big as a kid, because then that's so much of your identity is that, and then everyone sees you as that. And it is, it is tricky. I think a lot of people like those guys really struggle with it, whereas, you know, getting into it a bit later on and, um, I don't know, I kind of feel like a bit more grounded in it. And if anything, you know, I find, I find like I've got to put myself out there almost more like the way I do my Instagram and my Instagram storeys and stuff. I feel like my ego actually chills out a bit when I do, um, put that stuff out there because I feel like personally my ego is saying like, don't, yeah, like don't, don't put yourself out there. Like, what are people going to think of this? Like, this is rubbish, this is silly. And then you do it and then your ego kind of dissipates and it doesn't really have a leg to to stand on because you've just done it. And, you know, and a lot of the time the feedback is positive and it's like, oh, that was really funny.

Josh: And well, because you're an actor as well, so when people are watching you, they're not watching you, they're watching a character on screen. And so probably social media, the difference between it being presenter and you're doing the acting, yeah, it's more of you if you're a presenter.

Julian: Yeah, the funny— another funny thing with, with Riverdale and, and that character is like, he's a bad guy.

Josh: Yeah.

Julian: And he's he's an asshole. And yeah, um, it's very in line, in line with you very much. Yeah, very much who I am as a person, just a complete dick. And, uh, and yeah, I think at first, um, I was worried that people would— and it's probably anytime you play like a character like that, you're worried that people are going to think, um, you're an asshole. Like, yeah. And then it's funny that I think that that's your ego saying like be humble, be nice, be good, be seen to be good. But, um, but then, yeah, same thing, then you go and play this asshole on TV and then you're fine. And then, um, generally the feedback has been, you know, oh yeah, he's, he's such a— he is an asshole. Like, we hate that guy. Yeah, but we kind of, we like watching him. And that's sort of what I was like, what I was aiming for was like, okay, I want be this guy enjoying doing bad things. I don't want to be the evil guy that's like, you know, like, screw you. Like, yeah, yeah, I want to be the guy that's like, screw you, you know, like kind of having fun. Like, I don't think bad guys are really sitting there being like, I'm such a bad guy. Yeah, you know what I mean? I don't think anyone thinks like that.

Josh: Cool about it, I guess.

Julian: Yeah, like the ultimate example is Heath Ledger, I think, um, in A Dark in Dark Knight where he's just like playing this guy who's batshit crazy and doing some really awful things.

Josh: Yeah.

Julian: And then he's enjoying it and it's felt real.

Josh: Yeah.

Julian: And I think it was one of the first times people were like, whoa, like this guy. And that's why I think people kind of held that up as such an amazing thing. But, you know, and crazy, like he's just like when he did the joke, he's just like, I'm not crazy. And it was just that simple. And it was like, whoa, this guy's crazy.

Tommy: Yeah.

Julian: Yeah.

Josh: Being at home Is there a bit of pressure, do you feel, people asking the same questions? Do you feel like— Over and over? Yeah.

Tommy: What are they asking?

Josh: Yeah, what's the—

Julian: what's the 5 questions?

Tommy: The paleo recipe for the showstopper?

Josh: How many times did you—

Julian: Oh yeah.

Josh: You should just put it on your Instagram.

Julian: I've just been saying like, how's Riverdale going? Tapioca flour, cup of water. What? Um, yeah, it is kind of the same thing over and over, and it does get a bit kind of, uh, I don't know, like it kind of adds to a bit of stress in a way because there's a lot of uncertainty. So like, I don't know what's coming up in the next few months, whereas most people with their regular day jobs know they're locked in for something for the foreseeable future and what that is financially and everything. Whereas I'm still like really beginning in a way, like this is my first recurring role on a show. And so like there's just so many question marks up ahead. So when people are like, oh, how long you in Melbourne for? That's, that's kind of the first question. And I just say, I don't know. Yeah, it's, it's a funny thing. I don't know, maybe I need to have a better answer so I feel more at peace. I'll just be like, 6 months.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, just, I mean, say something. That's all they want, I guess.

Josh: I mean, it's true.

Julian: I mean, they're asking, it is arbitrary, right?

Tommy: All they're asking, you still on the show? Like, is that a nice way of saying, are you still on Rivada? Or is it still like—

Julian: why do you think it's just chitchat? I think it's just like the first bit of banter.

Josh: Yeah, it's a low-level banter. But I mean, what are some of the good questions?

Julian: How long you're back for?

Josh: What are good questions, do you think? If you were to design a conversation that you would like to have, what would you like people to ask?

Julian: Oh geez, not that question. That was too hard. I can't think of anything. That's a hard question.

Josh: But it's The thing is that for a lot of people, I appreciate that, but the people who are in Melbourne, it's the only reference point. The reference point they have is like, oh, you're where I am now.

Julian: Yep.

Josh: Yeah, that's cool. Like, and so they're doing it because it's— I don't know, because I think it's a common— having travelled and all that sort of thing, it's a common one.

Julian: I think also it's kind of— that question wouldn't be so tough to answer if I felt better about the situation.

Josh: Yeah.

Julian: So I think, and it's just part of the journey as an actor, is like you have to be kind of comfortable in the uncertainty. You know, you— it's when you kind of like get into that headfuck— can I say?

Josh: Yeah, yeah, great.

Julian: Okay, the headfuck of, um, just like, yeah, that uncertainty. And then it's like what that uncertainty produces is like more uncertain.

Josh: Yeah.

Julian: And more uncertain.

Tommy: I think, uh, if my mum and dad— I mean, sure, they probably have at times asked over the time that I'd created my own business about work. Like, have you got any jobs? Like, it would start being that feeling of like, I've got to live in that world. And you get better at living in that world of uncertainty and the unknown. I mean, your sister, she was on Limitless.

Josh: Yep.

Tommy: I love that show. And that just finished. They didn't fund it moving forward.

Julian: They just did one season.

Tommy: Yeah, it was bullshit. That was great.

Julian: It was a great show. I don't know what happened.

Tommy: But I mean, that's uncertainty. You're on a show where she was a main character.

Julian: Yeah, exactly.

Tommy: And here's the thing.

Julian: It just doesn't end because because like she's a lot further along in her career than I am and she, you know, should be feeling more certain. But just, you know, when she's out of work, which, fun employed, um, she goes through similar stuff, similar feelings of like, oh, am I ever going to work again? Am I, you know, am I gonna— and it's just, it's just fear and it's, I don't know. Yeah, it's fear and saying you want to grasp onto safety of like something.

Tommy: What's the answer though of someone that you think network would be in certainty? Like, what is that answer? I've got a 6-year contract with a network. Is that—

Julian: and that's the thing too, is like a lot of those people are unhappy because they're like, I'm too locked in. I think there's something about actor personalities that float towards the uncertainty as well. So it's a mixture. You need both, you know.

Josh: So I think— how long in Melbourne?

Julian: Uh, 7 months.

Josh: 7 months. That's a solid answer.

Julian: No, honestly, I think If I'm gonna be more honest than I don't know, which is true, um, I— what I think is like, if I, if I do go back on the show this season, it'll be at like a few episodes into the season, like 3 or 4 or 5, when they, you know, run out of characters and I get a go.

Josh: Yeah, well, I think part of it is that asking that— someone asking that question, because it's playing into uncertainty it is revealing personal information that you don't really need to give as well. Like, so anyone can ask, so should I just say get stuffed?

Tommy: No, no.

Julian: Well, I guess it's an interesting question. I'm taking a personal question on this one next.

Josh: No, but you know what I mean? I think there are, there are times where it's like, uh, you having to explain your— the future of your work and waiting on the fact of X, Y, and Z, and I'm waiting for this deal and that deal. It's actually like, if you framed it like that, if you framed— if that was the question, then you wouldn't like— you wouldn't hear people asking it because it seems personal. But it's Trojan horsing it in some ways because it's like, okay, what are you doing? It's sort of like asking, what are you doing next?

Julian: Yeah, totally. And it's kind of like with parents, like, because you've got a baby now, right? Or two?

Tommy: One.

Julian: Exactly. So, so it's like people saying like, oh, so when's the next one?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah.

Julian: And I think women feel like like, fuck, I just popped one out. Like, give me a break. Like, why do I have to think about that right now? I just had birth.

Tommy: But probably next year, uh, about 7 months.

Josh: Wow, reveal! 7 months is a good— like, that could be a number that we could use going forward, that if anyone asks you anything, 7 months, and you don't want to give an answer, you'll say 7 months.

Tommy: 7 is the number that everyone thinks when you, when you know, when you say think about 7, between 1 and 10.

Julian: Yeah, 7.

Josh: Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: What sort of— that's why you did it, Josh.

Julian: Yeah, I mean, I did think of that. I think I did say—

Josh: so what's a daily ritual like for you? Like, what are you, what are you consistently doing most days at the moment?

Julian: Uh, generally I like to meditate every morning.

Josh: Are you using an app or how are you doing?

Julian: Sometimes. Um, generally I just do 20 minutes eyes shut, focus on my breath. And then sometimes I'll do it eyes open. And I, I found like sometimes doing eyes open helps me kind of ground where I am. So with a lot of travel, I think it's helpful. Like, I was in LA just for 4 weeks, and then I'd come straight from Vancouver. And you know, you wake up and you're kind of like, where am I? Like, hang on, so okay, so this is my reality today. But if you, if you spend time kind meditating eyes open, I think you're kind of absorbing your environment.

Josh: You can look at Instagram at the same time as well.

Julian: Yeah, I meditate a lot.

Josh: I did 6 hours of meditation yesterday.

Tommy: Imagine if we actually did that instead of—

Josh: wouldn't it be great? Wouldn't it be cool if Instagram—

Tommy: meditation, I'm saying.

Josh: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But wouldn't it be great if Instagram— if there was a version of Instagram? Yeah, where that scroll is helpful to scroll. Exactly. Scrolling was the present type of thing, like, yeah. Just now, like, count your scrolls. 1, 2.

Julian: I actually saw an advertisement for a meditation app and it was on Instagram and it said, breathe in, 1, 2, and it counted to 6. Breathe out, count it down from 6.

Tommy: I'm like, oh, it's like a video showing that.

Julian: Yeah.

Josh: Oh, this space tour bit of that.

Julian: Instagram is soothing me.

Tommy: How is this possible?

Julian: Wow.

Josh: Doing that.

Julian: I love you more now.

Tommy: Doing— I did an eye-open meditation just before. Using an app, and I'd never thought it was a thing. Eye open meditation, right?

Josh: Yeah, I didn't really put a pillow on your face though.

Tommy: Yeah, because I didn't want to— it was— the light was beaming down, so I just wanted to see the purpose. No, no, it was just— it was, it was like a hat.

Josh: You could still—

Tommy: it was like that, and so I could still see, right? But I had this moment where I— were you walking around?

Josh: Me?

Tommy: Josh was walking around, and the other guys—

Julian: he was meditating.

Josh: Uh, well, I was like, he's, he's having a meltdown, or he's meditating. He was just laying down on the couch.

Julian: He's having a mental breakdown.

Josh: But I was like, 50-50.

Tommy: I remember thinking for a moment, I wonder what you're thinking about what I'm doing. And then I had it, a snowball of right thought that then went into how I used to feel about what people thought of me. And I, and I think I've done a lot of work, I think, over the years from when I was a young teenager and, and thinking about what other people thought of me. And it was a big thing. I wanted people to think that think great things of me.

Julian: Yeah, do they like you yet?

Tommy: I don't know, I don't care anymore is what I'm saying. But I was like, that is, we're in a business where we need to kind of care what people think of us because we want people to like us. We all want to be liked.

Julian: Yeah, well, it's a feedback. You gotta get like, you know, actual constructive feedback. And then I think over time you realise like, oh, the more I just actually enjoy myself, more people enjoy listening and watching.

Tommy: Yeah.

Julian: What you do.

Tommy: But I think if you're in alignment with yourself and you feel good about that, and so then, then you can sort of outwardly project that, and then people feel good about that. And so whether they like that or not, you, you can— all you're in control of is how you feel about you, right?

Josh: So if you're feeling bad, that's yourself.

Julian: Yeah.

Josh: Because I guess the, the— because I've noticed when I'll be feeling bad and then I'm being like, I'm annoying myself. And then I'm like, oh geez, imagine like what the reaction or like the response is for everyone else. How, how much of that you should just go? Because I reckon I'm at— I can see I'm conscious enough to see. Yeah, but I'm not yet conscious enough to actually like— I'll— yeah, I'll be happy to like, oh shit, I'm being a twat today. Exactly.

Julian: And I can't really control that.

Josh: Yeah, yeah. And like it was even today, Bree said, can you, like, be better? Yeah, a bit of that. But it was also to do with the car and calling the mechanic because the steering wheel has slightly moved since I got the tyre fixed the other day. Anyway, Bree says we need to do a wheel alignment. And then she said to me, she asked me 2 days ago, can you call the mechanic and do it? Is it like your one job? And then this morning I hadn't done it.

Julian: And then she said, Um, that reminds me, I've got to fix a handle for Mum.

Josh: But she did say, she said, can you just do it for tomorrow? Can you call now and get it booked in for tomorrow? And then rather than just being like, yeah, or like I said, you know what, I actually don't think we need the wheel alignment, which is just so—

Julian: I'm standing my ground on this one.

Josh: Yeah. Which she ended— I just, I got a calendar invite before she booked it in for 1 PM on Saturday. But I did end up texting and being like, hey, I'm not feeling great, sorry about that.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Josh: And so it was all good.

Julian: Yeah, it takes a lot to admit like, oh, okay, I reacted then.

Tommy: Yeah, well, you're constant, you always react as a human. I think it's a human trait having these emotional responses, but the work is how quick can you come back from it?

Julian: I think that's—

Tommy: yeah, that definitely is what meditation—

Julian: you go aside and also have your voice and go like, actually, no, you know what, you were out of line too.

Tommy: I know he did that.

Josh: I mean, the only thing out of line was the wheels, to be honest.

Tommy: What do I find— have you—

Josh: I mean, '97, that was when, um, I appreciate it.

Julian: Funny, Josh.

Josh: Thank you. The car on the ride up, wheel alignment issues.

Julian: Yeah, the car was wonky all the way. No, with my sister. Yeah, because I— yeah, we got in the car, it was me, her, and her brother-in-law. And, uh, and I, I had to call someone back and it was someone I hadn't spoken to in months. So I called her back and then we would— we were chatting for a bit and then, um, my sister was like, can you, can you make this call another time?

Josh: Yeah.

Julian: And I was like, excuse me? And like, like, I felt like it was super rude and I was, I was like— and it's your siblings, your siblings, you react more to your siblings, it's more like heat, once again, with like those closer relationships.

Tommy: Of course.

Julian: So I was just like, okay. And then, and so then I was just like, okay, I think I need to call you back, mate. I'll call you back later.

Tommy: And then was he on loudspeaker?

Josh: You holding it like it was? Yeah, it's the Carl Stefan Habeck vibe.

Julian: Yeah, I had the headphones in. So then like we were kind of blowing up at each other for a bit.. And then she was, she was telling me why I was being rude. I was telling her why she was being rude. And like, you know, in her defense, like, I, I, I wasn't trying to have like a really long-winded personal phone call and like just take over the car space for that whole time. But I just wanted to chat to my mate who I'd had a chance to.

Josh: Yeah.

Julian: So there's no like real right or wrong. But then she was— and then you're both defending. And then I think what's great about maybe— I think a lot of acting classes and, um, that sort of stuff, kind of, you get so used to vulnerability and putting your ego aside. So you get, you kind of, um, get the ability to, I know, yeah, put your ego aside and just go like, hang on, okay, like I'm set off here, you know, what can I, how can I listen to this person as well? And then, you know, and I think, and yeah, being vulnerable, we, you get emotional. Like I got really emotional and then I was just like, at some point, look, I'm, I'm sorry. But I was also like, you didn't need to be rude too.

Josh: So, because part of it is you—

Julian: And then she said sorry as well.

Josh: So, so it was all good.

Julian: Yeah. Well, we process things quickly, my family.

Josh: I mean, because part of it too, I reckon, is you were being empathetic to your friend who you were speaking to on the phone. So, you thought that you were doing the opposite of being rude, which is like being present, calling someone back and being in that moment. And that's what's always hard is when Then someone else—

Julian: I need you on the car ride back.

Josh: No, but then, then someone's saying, hey, you're being rude.

Julian: Yeah, yeah.

Josh: It can like blow you away because it's like, well, no, I'm like, I'm doing the absolute opposite.

Julian: Isn't that crazy how such little things can kind of blow you away and like your ego or your defences kind of like fire right up? And it's such a small thing, but really you're possibly setting off stuff that goes way back.

Josh: Oh yeah.

Julian: In your, you know, relationship with that person. Like, you know, with a sibling, like So, how do you deal with families? You've been arguing. I've been arguing with her since I was born.

Josh: Well, we're trying to work this out at the moment because I had a, on Saturday, went to a breakfast with my family and it was just like the only nice thing they said, well, they didn't even say a nice thing about the podcast. The only thing they had to do was they were drilling me on the numbers and how many people we have listening and watching and all that sort of thing. And I asked one of my siblings, oh, do you want to come on the show?

Julian: And you're like, listen, 3 is a crowd.

Tommy: Exactly.

Josh: And he said no. And so I was like, okay, these are all these negative experiences compounding.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: When, like, when do you say, okay, we're all— we're family and we just deal with it and all that sort of thing? Versus when do you just say, you know what, like, the negativity that every single time I'm in this and I'm having these conversations, it's actually not worth it?

Julian: I think what's worth it is having the conversation, which is harder, which is having that vulnerable conversation and going like, like, hey guys, maybe it's sort of easier one-on-one sometimes, but like, hey guys, like, I'm just feeling not supported in this area. And I think that's the thing that people won't do, is they won't say that because it makes them feel sad or afraid to, to, to own that, um, that we actually need each other's love and support. And then, um, yeah, actually come to a place where someone go like, oh wow, oh, I didn't realise you were feeling this way, you know. And at the same time, I think the more you start to own what you do— yeah, like before I started acting, I think you hear the negativity, you— and you hear how hard it is. And a lot of people— but before you commit to that career, a lot of people tell you how hard it is. And then as soon as you commit to it, people will still tell you how hard it is, but you stop caring. Yeah, you know, and you just go like, well people are doing it.

Tommy: Yeah, I think then you also—

Julian: people are making a living from everything you can do.

Josh: But having to— just that tone and having to have that conversation.

Tommy: I do, but it's a hard thing. If we look at what we need to do in life, it's usually the hard thing will get the results. The hard conversation, not hard work necessarily, but yeah, that emotionally vulnerable thing.

Josh: Or the upstream, I guess, like anytime going— it's a— but the other thing too is I think The only thing that would give me more anxiety than my family being mean is the idea of my family being nice to me as well. Like the idea of Mum being like, supportive. Yeah, just being like, oh geez, I'm so proud of you. It's like, shut the fuck up, Mum.

Julian: You're making me feel really weird.

Josh: Yeah, my ears are ringing. I don't know why. That sometimes happens when I get stressed.

Julian: Oh yeah.

Josh: Does that ever happen to you? Can't relate. No, no, I'm joking. No, no, no. Do your ears ever? It could be partly my tinnitus or tinnitus.

Julian: It depends. Oh, that's such an interesting conversation. But I think it depends because sometimes I think a parent can kind of be like, um, using what you do to identify, like, help them identify as a person. I think that can be kind of uncomfortable for me because I'm just like, no, no, like, you know, that doesn't make us who we are.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean?

Julian: So when it's just like genuinely, I'm really proud of you, I think that's great. But then when it's like, oh, one of two things, but if it's like for their gratification or if it's like for my gratification or validation, I think that's— I don't know, that's where you start to get into like codependent kind of land rather than like, it's great to kind of depend on your family in a healthy way.

Tommy: Well, you got to remember also, just because they're our parents, we view them in life as the people that told us how to be, you know, they brought us into this world. And so there you hold them up whether you like it or not. I think just from a— I look at how my son looks at me, it's like I'm his fucking hero. Yeah, I'm the boss.

Julian: You are God to him.

Tommy: Oh mate, I can, I can lift him with one— like, you know. And so I think we feel like— and I, you know, there's things from when we're growing up.

Josh: Even Mr. 97 looks at you like that too.

Tommy: That's why I love him, that's why I love him so much. But we, we grow up like that and it's hard to sort of shake those patterns patterns. And then you realise we're adults, they're adults, they're flawed, we're flawed, we're all fucked up.

Julian: Yeah, 100%.

Josh: It's—

Julian: everyone's just kind of winging it.

Tommy: Oh yeah.

Julian: I thought about this yesterday. I saw my, my neighbour who's probably 11 or 12 just riding his bike to school, and I just thought like, he's just riding his bike to school completely in the moment, just like not really a care in the world. But as adults, we're kind of like We're kind of driving our car to work thinking like, like, am I doing the right thing?

Tommy: Is my wheel alignment right?

Julian: Yeah, like, how am I gonna confront my wife on this topic?

Tommy: Yeah, it's—

Julian: I don't know, there's kind of like a trust that kids have with, um, yeah, like the kind of just going to school and, and all that stuff. It's like everything's kind of taken care— like some— a lot of things are taken care of so they can kind of just go on the journey. So I think then, then growing up, there's a part of you that just needs to be like, hang on, that's okay, like we're taking care of Everything, just trust. I mean, trust is once again, like, for actors especially, it's like essential. It's what I found in acting school. It kept coming back to that. Like, I would take notes and then I'd be like, um, you know, like you just get to a certain point and at the end of it all you're just like, oh, I just need to trust myself.

Tommy: Yeah, trust your abilities. It's like, I was thinking, have you had those moments? I'm sure you have. We probably all have when you're in a conversation with somebody and you just feel this hyperfocus back on yourself where you're thinking about your fucking face, thinking about it all. And it's—

Julian: you're explaining my experience right now.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah, seriously, it's—

Julian: that's it. That's the moment you're just trying to get me to do.

Tommy: I know, I know when it happens, and it's when I'm, when I'm, when I'm focusing on self more versus opening up. Because I've had a few moments where I've had that.

Tommy: That's the difference between, I think, self-consciousness and self-awareness. I think people get really confused with that, and I got really confused with that and bogged down in that. Like, I think maybe— and maybe it's part of the process, but like, in acting school, I remember working at Patch, and when I first started there, I'd be flying around making jokes with everybody. And then one of my first weeks in acting school, we had, um, we had Kerry Armstrong as our scene study teacher, and she said to me, Julian, stop trying to get everything right. And I was like, holy shit, I'm trying to get everything right all the time. And then I was working at Patch and I caught myself and I was just being— I was so self-conscious because I was just like, and I was carrying a coffee around, I was putting it down like, oh my God, I'm just trying to get this right. This is so bizarre. Everything I'm doing, this interaction, it's just— yeah, I think I've— and then I learned something that helps me with acting is like, okay, let's try and get this take wrong., and then interesting stuff would happen. I think I'll just relax. I'm like, oh good, I can just—

Tommy: I don't— was the pressure not there to get it right? So do you think the, the—

Julian: you take it away, you start doing everything spontaneously and different instead of like the planned way. And I don't think it's really our fault. I think we've been conditioned. Think about school, like everything you do in school is tested and it's bad to get things wrong.

Tommy: Yeah, it's good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're totally right. Austin Kleon, the book, um, what's his latest one that I was reading?

Josh: Keep going, keep going, Mr. 97. No, that's not the title of the book. He's just encouraging us. I appreciate it.

Julian: Keep thinking of titles.

Josh: Keep going.

Tommy: One of the practises for artists, photographers, painters, you know, actors is to— it's just a passage in there. I don't think he came up with it, but it was about doing something wrong. That's similar. Or doing a bad painting. So like, actively make bad art.

Julian: Yeah.

Tommy: So there's, you know—

Julian: It frees you up. Yeah. Yeah. I remember my mum was my mum's a painter and she was doing an exhibition. She was getting— she was pumping out so many paintings and she got to a point where it was like, you know, 3 weeks out to the exhibition and she was just feeling really stuck. And I said, well, try this and get a smaller canvas and just paint something that feels wrong, you know, like put in like brown when you think you shouldn't be using brown. And, you know, I don't know how to really paint. I'm assuming a lot of brown. A lot of brown. Not good.

Josh: Unless it's like a desert scene or something.

Julian: Yeah. It's, uh, yeah, bark trees. But, um, but then, yeah, the end result, like, it's one of my favourite pieces of her work. And it didn't go in the exhibition. She gave— she just gave it to me. But it's my favorite, like, one of my favourites of hers. It's just so abstract and weird. And it— I think it just speaks— there's a depth to it. It's really interesting. But then, you know, she kind of felt like freer.

Josh: There's something called the McDonald's effect. And it's if you, uh, if you're trying to work—

Tommy: yeah, eat a shitload and get fat as fuck.

Julian: No, and then you'll stop caring.

Josh: Yeah, you'll let go, um, of your belt, of your core. Yeah, just fully losing your game. Our first fart sound effect. That's good in the new studio.

Julian: We did that.

Josh: That was nice.

Julian: I thought someone would press the button.

Josh: Exactly. We will get there. Yeah, we will get to that point. No, but the, um, uh, the idea of the McDonald's effect is, uh, if people are trying to work out what to have for dinner, if you're in a group scenario, it's always fucked. No one can decide.

Julian: Yeah.

Josh: And so what you do is you say, how about McDonald's? And by throwing out a bad idea, it inspires good ideas.

Tommy: Mate, what happened at your household?

Josh: You're an ideas boy, Josh. Go get my car keys.

Julian: I'll have a fillet of fish. Fillet of fish.

Josh: Never really did the fillet of fish.

Tommy: My wife loves them.

Julian: I was all about fillet of fish growing up. Were you? Yeah.

Tommy: Weird little creative kid.

Julian: Yeah, yeah.

Josh: What's the deal? I wasn't that weird. Yeah, I remember I worked at McDonald's.

Julian: I was painting myself as like this little artsy kid.

Josh: Yeah, little with a little fillet of fish. Yeah, just pointing.

Julian: I believe it's fillet.

Josh: Uh, do you eat much junk food?

Tommy: Look at him.

Julian: Um, since I've been home, it's been awesome having some home-cooked meals. Yeah, with my— with— from mum and my sister. But, um, yeah, I think living in North America, you can't avoid it. You just can't. Like, I was living opposite an In-N-Out Burger.

Tommy: Oh God.

Julian: And I had it Twice.

Josh: And where was that? Which In-N-Out was it?

Julian: But, um, where was it? Yeah, Studio City.

Josh: Oh, okay.

Julian: You do know the specific one?

Josh: My favourite In-N-Out is the one next to LAX. Oh yeah, it's such a fucking— get a burger.

Tommy: We did episodes, 300, 200, 200. Yeah, 200. Jeez.

Josh: Yeah. Whoa. And we had, uh, yeah, the planes going because you can see, like, it's my two favourite things, burgers and planes, and they come real close. It's good fun. Anyway, are you hating it now? It was— you were saying—

Julian: no, I didn't. Yeah, I didn't really like it. I thought it was a bit gross.

Josh: I mean, that's a good position.

Julian: I feel like chips would—

Josh: yeah, cooked badly. Really? No, it's just because it's quite a different potato.

Tommy: Yeah, they're different.

Josh: They're just like— they're just fucking— it's like you imagine that they've just got a potato and they just fucking sort of slice it up like it's real rough. They don't take off the skin.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You see the brown bits on the end.

Josh: Yeah, I've always just told—

Julian: like, so that's another thing with my laziness, how chips should be like cut up Potatoes?

Josh: Yeah, but just mashed potato. Yeah, that's sort of like being re-congealed or whatever. Yeah, yeah.

Julian: So, what, like Pringles are just like mushed into a tennis can?

Josh: And then— Yeah. Do you not like Pringles?

Julian: No, I don't have anything against Pringles.

Tommy: I love Pringles.

Julian: You know, they're delicious.

Tommy: I'm furious that they're now like so much smaller. Like, they're like that. When we were young, they were big.

Julian: What? Yeah, how do you get your hand in there?

Tommy: Oh, mate, struggle. Oh, I see.

Josh: Wait, you think the actual—

Tommy: No, the can's small. My hand can hardly fit in.

Julian: Look at those mitts.

Tommy: You can't get that in a Pringles can.

Julian: Pringle can. Yeah, this— if anything, they need to make them wider. Yeah, it's literally that.

Tommy: No, it's— we should get some Pringles.

Josh: That's why—

Julian: can we just get some, um, can we get some Pringles?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah. Fuck, he thinks he's on set.

Julian: Is this how this works? Yeah.

Tommy: What was the catering like on Riverdale?

Julian: Seriously, it's probably less likely like, hey, can we get some Pringles? More like, oh, can we get some Pringles?

Josh: Really?

Julian: Um, a little bit.

Josh: Um, did you have like— what was your, uh I wouldn't say that.

Tommy: So what was it like? Did you have a trailer? Yeah. And, um, what was the question? The food. What's the food like?

Julian: The food's great. Yeah. Um, generally most mornings I'd rock up and, uh, you know, you look like a muesli guy.

Josh: You're a muesli guy.

Julian: I am actually. Yeah, but they don't do— but they don't do muesli in North America.

Tommy: What do they do?

Julian: Granola.

Josh: And it's—

Julian: you can't avoid it.

Josh: It's too sweet. Oh, unless it's from Patch, it's just too sweet. It's got that fucking canola flour or the fuck those waffles are made out of.

Julian: Tapioca flour.

Josh: Tapioca flour. No, I discovered—

Julian: No, granola is right. Granola is right.

Josh: But I have oats.

Julian: Porridge.

Josh: Porridge.

Julian: Porridge. You like porridge?

Josh: Yeah, I started having it the other day, but 3D Dill's mum sent over some maple syrup and I've been just drizzling that stuff on there.

Julian: You can't hold back on maple syrup.

Tommy: He's having wet granola then.

Julian: Yeah.

Josh: It's because I put it in the microwave.

Tommy: Yeah, I know, but I'm saying you're having— granola is just dried fucking oats and nuts, granola with, um, honey and maple syrup or some kind of sugar.

Julian: That sounds fairly healthy. I'm pretty sure in the States it's just like high fructose corn syrup. Yeah, yeah, like a cake of it and then just a couple of nuts thrown in with it.

Tommy: And so you're eating a bit of muesli. And so can you—

Julian: like, most mornings I would get— I would get to set and then order a, um, a breakfast breakfast burrito. That was my kind of meal of choice to start the day.

Josh: Yeah, black beans. North America, you can get a lot more black beans than you can get here. Always disappointed.

Julian: A tonne of Mexican food.

Josh: Yeah, basically.

Julian: Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: And so when—

Julian: so, um, but now catering, the catering's great. And they also have Crafty, Crafty Craft Services.

Tommy: What's Crafty?

Julian: Like, the nickname's Crafty. Have you guys ever been on a film?

Josh: No, not a big fucking— not like—

Tommy: I mean, we're on IMDb, but I am—

Josh: yeah, the daily talk shows. Will this specific guest appearance will appear as himself on your IMDb.

Julian: Great.

Josh: So you might want to get your people—

Julian: that's actually why I'm here, actually.

Josh: Very quickly, before we get to the crafty stuff, is it on your IMDb it says that you won a gold medal?

Julian: Oh geez.

Josh: Uh, in the university games as a lawn bowl?

Julian: Correct.

Josh: Player.

Julian: You know what's funny too is like, I'm gonna— a mate of mine, Glenn, who was in the team, he He put that on there on the IMDb. He edited my IMDb.

Tommy: Well, because Josh said it was on your IMDb and I was thinking, why the fuck is— why would that be on your IMDb?

Josh: It's an inside job, definitely.

Julian: Yeah, by the Grass Cutters. Um, that was our team name, the Grass Cutters, the ECU Grass Cutters. Yeah, uh, no, we played— yeah, I got into lawn bowls at uni.

Josh: Does that mean you just can't play casual? You know, a lot of people doing casual lawn bowls right now. Yeah, he does.

Tommy: He takes it really seriously.

Josh: That's why.

Julian: Well, yeah, well, it started off as barefoot bowls and we started a club club at ECU in Perth.

Josh: Yeah.

Julian: And then we started throwing like parties, and then we started— we had it, um, well, before I got involved, they had a team go to Uni Games, and they— I think they, they won the bronze medal. And then the next year I joined the team, and then we— and then we— yeah, we started throwing like end of semester parties. Yeah. And because, you know, like, yeah, though Aussie unis don't really do like frats or anything, but like we kind of had this big club going.

Tommy: Yeah.

Julian: And then Um, yeah, and then we started getting right into the bowls. So the bowls club that we, that we played at and that we did barefoot bowls at, they asked us to play like pennants. So I started playing Saturday pennants for bowls for the SAA in Perth against 7-year-olds. Yep.

Josh: Yeah, really? You must be loving it though. Like, you think about it, imagine I got pretty good at it.

Tommy: Yeah, like, yeah, you won a gold medal.

Julian: Well then, and then, yeah, then we won like, um, the gold medal 2 years in a row at the uni games, which is like— it's funny because uni games is just a piss-up, like you just get like blackout every night. But we still took the bowling pretty seriously and we wanted to win.

Tommy: Yeah.

Julian: And then, um, what's funny is that me and my mate Cam played in the club championship pairs for that club and we won. So if you go back to that club in Perth, you'll see like Cam Adams, Julian Haig, club championship pairs whatever year it was.

Josh: Yeah.

Julian: And then for the first 2 years that you're a lawn bowler at a club playing pennants, you're considered a novice. And so then they have the club champion novice championships. Yeah, yeah, championships. And then, um, yeah, I, uh, my mate Cam, he came runner-up in the state for that. And then the next year, I, I couldn't do it that year for some reason, but then the next year I won the club championship. Yes, whatever it was, novice. And then you go, yeah, you go into the Western Australian State Novice Championships.

Josh: Yes.

Julian: And I won that somehow for singles, and I won $400. And then it was so funny because I had, I had blokes from like other clubs coming up and being like, yes, have you, have you thought about playing anywhere else? So trying to poach me. Mate, I'm moving back to Melbourne. I might like, I've been playing tennis tennis and then got into bowls, I think I might go give footy a crack.

Josh: But is lawn bowls an international game? I know it's at the Commonwealth Games.

Julian: Yeah, they've got in Canada, England.

Josh: Okay. Yeah, because netball is one of those ones that's like Americans will look at netball and be like, ah, what is this? That's my American accent.

Julian: Oh yeah, that's pretty good.

Josh: Thank you. I can do Ryan Seacrest as well.

Tommy: He can't.

Julian: He can't.

Tommy: It's Ryan Seacrest here. It's not.

Josh: It's the worst. Was that good or no?

Julian: It's—

Tommy: can we get a comparison video made between Josh and Ryan Seacrest?

Josh: It's fine.

Julian: It's fine.

Josh: It's because I do it too fast. It's Ryan Seacrest here.

Tommy: It's too— it's too annoying. It's nasally because that's— no, no, no, he's not that nasally.

Julian: He's cool.

Tommy: I think you don't sound cool.

Julian: I think maybe, yeah, dial it up, dial it up a bit more.

Josh: And then you just take it to fist skills.

Julian: Uh, crafty.

Tommy: You were talking about the craft.

Josh: Oh, you're crafty.

Julian: No, it's just craft services. So it's basically Usually there's like a separate truck and it's different to unit.

Josh: Wait, so there's unit, which—

Tommy: That's in Melbourne. Oh, like Australia. You're saying the unit truck?

Josh: Well, yeah. So unit is like food. Can you tell us like the difference? Is that maybe— Maybe they call it crafts. Are they called craft services? Okay, go on.

Julian: Basically, there's usually a tent set up with just food that'll be there all day, and there's people taking care of that because like you do forget how many people are working there long hours.

Josh: In Australia we call it unit.

Julian: Holdout unit. Yeah. Where there's just food sitting there.

Josh: Yeah, there's food sitting there, which is weird because second unit's out filming and then you've got fucking unit that's just fucking like, you can get some chippies, you know.

Julian: Oh, okay.

Josh: Yeah, yeah.

Julian: Didn't even know.

Tommy: So how many people are on a, say, for, you know, you'd rock up for a day shoot? Well, how many people are there for an episode? Are they doing multiple episodes?

Julian: Do you mean, you mean crew?

Tommy: Yeah, crew, like for the whole operation.

Julian: It completely depends because 'Cause yeah, it depends on the scene. 'Cause if you've got, if you're including extras as well, like we did this scene and it was like a casino night at this, you know, her speakeasy, Veronica's speakeasy. And there was something like 60 extras on set, which is like, you wouldn't think they'd need that many people, but yeah, they get them on hand and dress them up. And so then—

Tommy: Sounds annoying. I've seen Ricky Gervais, His show. They all seemed annoying.

Julian: I love that show.

Tommy: Is there any similarity between—

Julian: Oh, it's bang on.

Josh: Yeah.

Julian: Yeah.

Tommy: I've done a bit of extra work before and I just remember the conversation.

Julian: The funniest thing to me is that extras sit around getting annoyed at sitting around. I'm like, what did you think you were getting into? And B, you're actually doing a fairly easy job. Like, you don't have to do anything.

Tommy: Because they want to be the person person at the front, don't they?

Julian: Can you do—

Josh: I don't know, maybe like when you're an actor, if you— when you get, uh, like your biggest, your biggest role, can you then— do you still feel like you can go down and do the extra work and all that sort of thing? Or is there a sense of like, I'm not touching anything below what I'm working on now?

Julian: I see what you're saying. Well, I mean, I think the thing with— I don't think I'd do extra work, mostly because like if I was to do I mean, for a few reasons, but like, if I was to be an extra on a show, then I couldn't act on that show. Yeah, later on. Yeah, if they've seen my face.

Josh: Yeah, it makes so much— it's literally like we wouldn't be digital content producers for another company or something. Yeah.

Julian: And then I think, um, I don't know, when it comes to taking roles, I kind of think it's a bit like that. Like, I think some agents, they call it burning their actor, where it's like, if they— if just say an actor books a role that's like one line, and I've done plenty of those, but like if they book that, then they can't do the bigger thing, like within that show, you mean? Exactly, in that show. So I think sometimes that might be a decision that people make, is like, oh, we don't want to burn him on that.

Josh: Um, but a temperature-related sort of—

Julian: yeah, yeah. Yeah, don't want to be cold.

Josh: Yeah, but the funny thing is you would assume that burning is—

Julian: which in Canada happens a lot.

Josh: Yeah. Is Vancouver really cold as well?

Julian: Yeah, in winter.

Josh: Okay, that makes sense. It's Canada.

Julian: Right now it's warm, it's summer. I don't want to sound patronizing. That's really not— Vancouver right now is middle of summer.

Josh: Does Vancouver have the extreme— because Toronto, where 3D Deal is from, it gets really muggy. Yeah, disgusting.

Julian: It gets real muggy in the summertime. Humid. Yeah, yeah, humid. New York is like that too, right? Yeah, yeah, they're pretty similar temperature-wise. Never been to New York, but I'm just assuming.

Josh: I went to New York when they had like 10 days straight of like 110.

Tommy: Oh, imagine you in jeans and a jumper.

Josh: It was disgusting.

Tommy: I was just like, jeans and jumper still, weren't you?

Josh: Just, it was very humid.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And it was just like the Airbnb I had had no light. And so I'd wake up at like 10 and you want to wake up early when you're traveling, but I was up at like 10 in the morning and then just going out. Oh, not ideal.

Tommy: Julian, what's, what do you sort of, what's next for you? What do you want? That's the second question after how long are you here for?

Josh: What's next for me?

Julian: I know.

Josh: I mean, yeah, you don't, you don't actually, you don't actually have to answer that.

Tommy: But what's that?

Julian: No, no, I'm happy. I'm happy to answer that.

Tommy: I didn't want you to. That's a joke.

Josh: Well, no. So, if we're— So, what you're waiting for.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: So, there's things that you're waiting for. It's a bit of like a choose your own adventure. But how much do you—

Julian: I wish you had.

Josh: Yeah.

Julian: Well, you don't really have much choice.

Josh: I didn't say you choose the adventure.

Julian: Someone else is choosing my adventure.

Tommy: Well, I think being clear on what you want, that sort of main thing, and then that can help numb that pain of uncomfortable and sort of unknown, right?

Julian: Yeah.

Tommy: Because if, like, I know where I want to get to, and so that's where I'm going.

Julian: Yeah. Well, that whole visualisation thing is— it's a funny, it's a funny one, but it sort of has happened the whole way so far. Is like, even at a point where— to the point where I was, I was overseas doing other stuff, and then I kind of was just like, okay, I want to go to acting school. And then I saw, okay, I'm going to support myself working in a cafe. Going to an acting school, and that's going to be my life, you know, doing that. And then at a certain point it was, you know, okay, now I see myself with an agent auditioning for stuff. At a certain point, like, I wasn't— you know, you're doing self-tapes, you're going out for auditions, and that was just an idea. And it's weird how then it happens. And then, you know, and then I kind of— even when I was here, part of the reason I didn't really want to stay in Australia and in the industry here was because I kind of felt like I wasn't going to get much of a crack, that I'll just be seen as kind of like, okay, he's like, you know, he's like, he's done modelling and this is, you know, he thinks he can act kind of thing. Whereas I just felt like if I go over there, I'm a better shot at getting seen for roles. Um, and that they're not like— it's funny thing, but like being good looking won't hold me back. Yeah. Which I—

Josh: what do you think? That's a model as a model who's— because you're a model first and then got into acting, is that how it sort of came about? Like, were you doing sort of photography-specific stuff?

Julian: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I've done— I started modelling like about 21, and I'm, I'm really glad that I did it because it kind of pushed me outside my comfort zone to a certain point. Like, there was a time when I just was scared to get in front of a camera and even just, you know, you just kind of, okay, what do I do with this? And then you you're pushing yourself outside your comfort zone with more movement, more expression. But then it gets to a point where you're like, oh, what about speaking? What about my voice? And then, and even telling a story. And like, I grew up in a pretty creative family. Dad, dad's a scriptwriter and back in the day director and producer. And I think we were around that stuff a lot without even, even knowing it. And you know, how we've connected a lot is going to the movies and talking about movies and, and storeys and projects and stuff. So I think at a certain point I was like, well, I wanna— I do like— the dream is that, but I'm just too scared to admit it, basically. Um, but it was the next thing to kind of like push myself out of my comfort zone was acting, speaking in, in some way.

Tommy: Yeah, dreams can be scary.

Julian: Yeah, well, I think they're the scariest thing. I think like, um, honestly, people talk a lot about the fear of failure and that's what's holding them back. But honestly, I think we fail a lot and I think we're used to it. And even when you're at a certain level of acting, you're going out for a lot of auditions and stuff and you get used to not getting the job. Like most of the time you're not going to get the job. But I think where a lot of actors kind of shoot themselves— well, what, what my experience was is I found myself like getting in my head when I was doing well in an audition. I'm like, oh, this is going really great. And then all of a sudden, hang on, What's my line? Like, I kind of lose it at that point. And I think it's actually like a fear of success. And then coming back to ego, I think it's we're protecting ourselves from really taking the next step because the whole way along it's just been terrifying.

Josh: So how do you stop it? How do you stop the monologue then of the, oh, this is— I'm feeling the momentum, this is great. Like, how do you stop that within an audition?

Julian: Um, I don't exactly know, but I I remember I did this workshop in Vancouver that really helped with all that sort of stuff. And I think, yeah, I mean, some personal shifts and realising that— I think a big one, I mean, without getting— it's a longer story. Without getting too in-depth about it.

Josh: It's a podcast. We can do long stories. That's one thing that we can do is long stories.

Julian: Okay. Well, I think for me personally, it was, I think like, yeah, probably a bit of an out— scared to outshine people thought process. So like, oh shit, if I actually book this big show, then what? Then people are going to really think I'm an asshole. Because anytime, especially with the whole, um, tall poppy syndrome thing in this country, I think we grow up in a, in a— and a lot of the rhetoric growing up is like, oh, he loves himself, or like like, he's such a tryhard. And then as you get older, you're like, it's, oh, so I need to love myself and I need to try hard. And this is stuff that I was kind of taught to not do.

Josh: Yeah.

Julian: Which is kind of a funny thing because I think a lot of Aussie actors going into the States, um, in a way have something different that Americans don't have, and it's like a humility and a work ethic. But, um, but yeah, it kind of gets, uh, what was—

Tommy: I like that though, because tall poppy syndrome, people who are doing that to other people, bringing people down, pointing out their successes and saying, maybe there is that fear of success for themselves. I think that plays a part with a lot of us.

Julian: I think a lot of it is jealousy. And, you know, when you're, if you're a person who's got this, you know, there's a dream in the background, but you've just decided like, nah, like I'm going to do what I was told to do and whatever this safe thing is.

Josh: Yeah.

Julian: Then there's a little bit of maybe self-resentment or resentment towards whoever told you to live that way, or whatever it is. And then when you see someone who's big going after their dreams, pretty quickly you're projecting that onto them and going like, well, you're an idiot, um, and finding a way to cut them down. And I think there's been so many moments where I, I think I've just gotten over that in bits, but, um One of the main things I remember was, um, my— the director of the acting school, Kim Craigis, we had a meeting one time halfway through, halfway through the acting course, and she said to me, um, I was sitting there, I was sitting opposite her, like, kind of like, you know, really kind of hunched forward and kind of small, making myself small. And she was like— I felt kind of not intimidated by her, but just like, I really, you know, you— she's like kind of the head of the school and, you know, feel nervous, even though she was like the sweetest person ever. And she was just, she's like, oh, how's the year going? And I'll be like, oh, you know, like this and this. And she'd be like, okay. And she just stops you straight away because she can just read you that quickly. She'd be like, what's stopping you from being big? And she was like, sit back in your chair, make yourself big, you know, put your shoulders back, take physically big. She was, yeah, all of it, all of it. Take up as much space as you can. And I said, fucking hell yeah, just put up on the show. And then she was like, how does that make you feel? And I said, I'm— I feel, you know, uncomfortable. I feel scared. And then she was like, well, what stops you? What stops you from being big? And the first thing that came to my mind was, well, when I'm big, people cut me down. Which I think growing up, a lot of Aussies have had that experience. But for me growing up, I, I think I've kind of copped that quite a lot. And then, um, and she was like, well, what about when you— do you get like— when you're being small, when you're— when you're not being big, do you still get cut down? And I was like, well, yeah, yeah. And she's like, well, why not then just be big?

Josh: Yeah.

Julian: And it's an interesting thought because really being big, I think, is kind of like, why not just be you? Like, and, you know, express yourself and do the things that you want to do. So I think I started taking more of that mentality into everything. And then, you know, you have these fears, they pop into your head and you're like, you know what, but like, I still think I can do this big thing and I want to do it. And that's probably, you know, not only going to feel better for me, but if anything, if anything, people generally, people will look at that and go like, oh wow. And like the kind of the response from being overseas and, and booking something big overseas has been like, like, that's amazing. Like that from people here. And even mates, like, I was down at the local footy club down at Red Hill Footy Club on the weekend, and I kind of feel myself going shrinking a bit because I don't want to come across as the, um, braggadocious. Yeah, is that a word yet?

Josh: Yeah, braggadocious.

Julian: Yeah, Donald Trump. Donald Trump.

Josh: That's what Trump is, braggadocious.

Julian: I don't want to come across braggadocious.

Josh: Braggadocious. It's a great word. Yeah. Is it completely made up or it exists? It's a 1970s word. Is that a thing or no?

Julian: It's a Trumpism for sure.

Tommy: It's as real as his hair.

Julian: No, I think it's actually in there.

Tommy: It's in the Cambridge Dictionary.

Josh: Okay, what is it actually? What's the definition?

Julian: Chum's got one over me. Praising yourself or speaking too proudly about your own achievements.

Tommy: Yeah, sure.

Julian: Oh damn, I mean, I remember hearing him say, I thought, oh, he's making one.

Tommy: So, so you go to the footy club.

Julian: Yeah, like I didn't want to come across like, oh, he— same thing, same old stuff, like full of himself and a tryhard and all that shit. Um, and then you're chatting to just, you know, guys that you went to primary school with who are just like, oh, that's, that's insane that you've been doing that, like that's incredible. And you know, you still cop the few little backhanded like jokes and whatnot, just like, oh, you're a big celebrity now.

Tommy: Yeah.

Julian: Which is like, oh, sometimes just like, oh God. But like, yeah, that sort of stuff. I don't know, when you, when you own— same thing, when you're owning whatever it is, it's kind of a bit more water off a duck's back.

Tommy: How does—

Josh: what—

Tommy: how does someone that you would look to that would handle themselves in a situation like that— what's the Jules that would walk in there big? But big doesn't mean you're saying, I'm on a fucking Netflix show. Fuck you. You know, like, that doesn't mean that just being big doesn't mean that that's what you'll do going in.

Josh: Yeah, but how—

Julian: and also, I think it's just going in and kind of like letting those ideas of what you think people are thinking and what you think people are going to say, let that go, and then just be present with people. And then I think, is it bringing focus on self when that happens?

Tommy: It's like me looking at somebody and I'm thinking about my face and what they could be thinking about. What's this? It's like I'm totally fucking thinking about me. I'm not thinking about them, right? I'm not thinking I wonder how they're feeling. I wonder what they're experiencing in this moment.

Julian: Yeah. And I think that, that has happened a bit where I'm like, okay, I just feel super self-conscious right now. Um, but then also like, you know, a lot of the time in those conversations, because they're guys that, you know, guys and girls that I went to primary school with in high school and stuff, like I'm just as interested in what they've been up to. And then a lot of the, a lot of the conversation is kind of like, oh, but you know, like, oh, I'm just living in Mount Eliza with, you know, and this is all I'm doing. And I'm like, that sounds pretty cool. Like, you know what I mean? Like, everyone's on this kind of crazy journey.

Josh: I feel like it can be a defence mechanism sometimes to like, there's the other way too, which is not being comfortable talking about yourself. So always pushing the other way of like, I'm actually, I'm a closed book. And so then it's a big headfuck, right? Because you're not clear on your— well, yeah, because you're not clear on your own narrative because you're like, I don't know what I'm going to be doing next. Or whatever it is.

Julian: There's nothing wrong with being confident.

Josh: Yeah.

Julian: And just being like, yeah, like, this is what I've been doing.

Josh: Yeah.

Julian: And maybe something else I've kind of observed in my sister, she's very good at that. Like just being like, oh yeah, I've been working on this and she's happy to talk about it.

Josh: Yeah.

Julian: Whereas I think I've been a little bit more uncomfortable saying like, yeah, I'm on— I've been working on this massive show, Riverdale. Yeah, for that.

Josh: And so is it like, then do we need to reconcile an answer? Because it's almost like every time someone asks you, you're going to the bank to try and work out what the answer is, versus if we've got our answer sort of dialled in, it becomes pretty easy. Like, it becomes a lot easier, I guess.

Julian: So maybe I should write a script.

Tommy: Yeah, but I don't think so.

Josh: Maybe have it in your body.

Julian: Show it with an American accent.

Tommy: Having a tech platform, let's say a business, a startup, like Jules Lund has Tribe. Yeah, it's a marketplace for influencers. You know, he has this pitch, right? It's also about the audience that you're speaking to, because I think about me selling myself, it's all different contexts, right? Am I talking to my auntie's friend?

Josh: So if your auntie's friend said, hey Tommy, what are you up to?

Tommy: Yeah, that's where I—

Josh: what do you say?

Tommy: I get more rattled and more uncomfortable in those moments where I'm out of, out of my audience, essentially, you know.

Josh: I don't even know what the fuck a podcast is.

Tommy: So then maybe it's like you go back to your mates, right?

Julian: Yeah.

Tommy: For you, you're in the business of selling your best self into casting agents, into, you know, networks. So when you're in there and they say, Jules, what are you— you know.

Julian: Yeah.

Tommy: Maybe it's a different sell versus— I get like that when I go to a party. I'm like, you know, I can be fucked talking about that. I've got this podcast and I've got this.

Josh: I don't want to talk about that because we also fall into like justification mode, I feel like, as well. Because then it's like, as soon as I talk about the podcast, they're like, oh, how's it going? It's like, oh yeah, it's good. It's like, how many people? Yeah, it's almost like you want to do that because it's easier. It's interesting, we had our friend Josh Pittiman on the show a few months back. He talked about these exact issues. He's someone who's travelled a bunch for work, but it's like the the people that rattle you, it's always like your mum's mate or whatever. He's like at a cafe being like, you know, yeah, Susie, Susie, Susie just knows how to fucking, you know, yeah, she did a cafe at Q and she, Susie just knows how to cut real fucking deep. Cute little career, don't you? Yeah, exactly. Little podcast. Your little acting career, how's it going?

Julian: Yeah, are you sure that podcast is going anywhere?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, a lot of effort there, 7 days.

Julian: Listen, Susie, what the Susie, what are you fucking doing every day?

Josh: So being back in Melbourne, what are some of the things that you, uh, specifically Canada, how long, how much time did you spend in Canada in total?

Julian: Uh, it was about 3 years all up. I basically milked a 2-year open work permit. I extended it a couple of times. Um, but yeah, it was about 3 years all up. Um, came back a couple of times over Christmas time.

Josh: What do they have right in Canada that you wish? I was, when I was—

Julian: Not much. Not much.

Josh: Really? Because when I was, when I was 21, I actually applied for the green card lottery for the US.

Julian: Oh yeah.

Josh: But one of my main reasons—

Julian: Did you get it?

Josh: No, I didn't. I'm here.

Julian: But you could have got it and stayed.

Josh: Yeah, exactly. I could have done that as well.

Tommy: Giving up your travelling here. You're on holidays. What are you doing, Josh? I'm on holidays in Australia.

Josh: Exactly. I'm only here for 7 months. The main reason in my head, which is not a reason to move to a different country, was Amazon Prime. I was just hearing storeys of people fucking— you would just want deodorant, you could just order it. Dream vehicles, dream beer. So anyway, Amazon Prime.

Julian: That's why you want to move to the States.

Josh: And now Australia has Amazon Prime, so I'm fucking good.

Julian: Oh yeah.

Josh: So it's all good. But what are some of the things?

Julian: I think you can order Whole Foods, or you used to be able to. In the States you can order Whole Foods.

Josh: Well, Amazon bought Whole Foods. Yeah. So it's probably—

Julian: Do we have Whole Foods here?

Josh: No, we don't.

Julian: There's actually— Never mind, scratch that. Well, there's a trademark.

Josh: Someone owns a trademark so they can't get it.

Tommy: Can't get it here.

Josh: Yeah. Which is weird. It's crazy, isn't it? Because I spoke to a dude who was like business intelligence, like went to South by Southwest and he was saying, yeah, there's a trademark. But you wouldn't think that would be the reason. I get where the whole fucking company not to come here.

Tommy: I get you were saying, Josh, there's things like living in Sydney, there is the fucking Opera House. No, the Sydney Harbour Bridge, the pedestrian crossing. Things where you press the button, it goes red or green. It gives you a countdown of how much longer you have.

Julian: Oh, they've got that in Vancouver.

Josh: Oh, that's good.

Tommy: That's a really good one.

Julian: We need that in Melbourne. Yeah, the countdown is great.

Tommy: It's so stupid that we don't have a countdown here.

Julian: Yeah, it just goes from green to red and then you're like, fuck, I'm in the middle of the street.

Tommy: I mean, we're worried about— I might get run over. Were you here when they were— everyone was—

Julian: Luckily crossing this street over the crossroad, there was a big sign that said give way to peds.

Josh: Got the ped sign, but they don't have the fucking countdown.

Tommy: Get your priorities straight.

Julian: So I was like, okay, I'm not going to die. He's going to give way to me.

Josh: But think about how much space the give way to peds sign is versus the count.

Julian: It's big.

Josh: How hard is it to fucking give us 15 seconds?

Julian: Okay, here's an interesting thing because I was for the longest time in Vancouver, I was like, great, I've still got 4 seconds. I can make that. I'll just sprint and I'm good. And yeah, I've got a countdown. 4, 3, 2, 1. I'm already across the street. Then it was at some like they had some police on a few corners for some like lockup for a street festival. And then I started crossing the street thinking, oh, I've still got 12 seconds. This cop's not gonna give me a hard time. And he goes like, excuse me, sir, do you realise that, uh, you're— as soon as the countdown starts, you're meant to not cross the street?

Josh: What the fuck is the point of the countdown then?

Tommy: What is the countdown?

Julian: Well, apparently it's for drivers. Yeah, but hang on, is that true?

Josh: Yeah, so with the way that the law works—

Julian: bullshit. The law versus how people are doing it. Sweat.

Josh: If that sign—

Julian: if that sign is showing, you're allowed to walk.

Josh: As soon as it starts counting down, that's—

Julian: you're supposed to— not meant to start crossing the street.

Josh: I mean, I've run across with like 2 seconds.

Tommy: I think that's the same here. When it starts flashing, you're not meant to start. Yeah, if you're halfway through, it's like, yeah, sure, whatever.

Julian: Oh, okay.

Tommy: But, uh, anyway, that's what I want.

Josh: Yeah, who are travelling to Vancouver, you are now safe if you're walking If you're walking in a city where you have access to the Countdown, if you send a photo of the Countdown with you walking across, we'll send you stickers. Yes. Can we do that? Yeah, we can do that.

Tommy: Hi@thedailytalkshow.com. Put your name and your address.

Julian: You can feel the excitement building.

Josh: This is big for us. This is big. We'll get the other stickers across soon anyway.

Julian: I'm going to send this podcast to my mate Steve and he's going to get some stickers.

Josh: And so what other things in Canada do they have right that we need in—

Julian: all I can think about is stuff that Melbourne's got right over Canada because I just went to a, you know, a cafe, Melbourne cafe, and the coffee's incredible, the food's incredible, and like that sort of stuff's just starting to come into Vancouver.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, 3D Dills, blown away, spent a lot of money on coffee.

Josh: Yeah, but one thing that I like—

Julian: yeah, your whole budget goes on smashed avo.

Josh: Yeah, well, the thing The thing with the US that I like, which is very backwards, but I like it, is they're very loose when it comes to like plastic sippy drink, like water. Like you can just like take away, they'll give you a big straw, like a straw, and you can just be drinking water.

Tommy: I went up to Starbucks and I had that. I had a plastic cup, which is like, can I just have a, can you just refill that? She's, oh, don't worry, sweetheart. And she throws the thing into the bin and just pulls up another one.

Josh: One.

Tommy: I was like, I didn't need more plastic.

Julian: Oh yeah, like, is this in the States?

Tommy: In the States, yeah. I think Hollywood, the States.

Julian: Yeah, I mean, I think they're a bit behind when it comes to recycling.

Tommy: Yeah, straws and stuff, they've just started doing that.

Julian: Whereas, um, LA, LA is also its own little ecosystem compared to the rest of the country too. Like, I think in LA it's just like, oh no, you do not use plastic straws, whereas probably the rest of the country, rest of the 340 million people, yeah, are probably pretty straw happy.

Tommy: It's a different ball game. We've got 24 million here or something like that.

Julian: 27 million.

Tommy: Straws? No, Australians.

Josh: Australians.

Tommy: People within Australia.

Julian: That's what we call them.

Tommy: In comparison. We call them straws now.

Josh: No, there was in Munich, they're like super, super strict.

Tommy: That's right. You wanted to take away.

Josh: No, I ordered. We ordered takeaway and then we're like, might as well just sit in. And then like the most German experience I've ever had is them coming up to me and telling, telling us off and saying, oh, we actually don't have a permit. Like, the way the permits are set up is that if you get takeaway, like, um, cutlery and stuff, or like, it's like a salad in a takeaway container, yeah, you'd have to have it out. You can't sit in.

Julian: I think it's a good rule because a lot of it is good. You can't just change your mind.

Josh: Yeah, exactly.

Julian: Yeah, I change my mind all the time.

Tommy: A lot of people though, you've worked in cafes, they get— and I used to be an offender of this but years ago— get coffees in takeaway cups because they were hotter. I've, I just fucking ended up going back to glass. I just like, I'll have a glass and smash it. Yeah, quickly.

Julian: You would have done a lot of hot strong lattes in cafes in, in, um, to take away, and then to take away, and then people have drunk them.

Tommy: They sit there on purpose, so they just like the takeaway cup.

Julian: Yeah, I didn't get offended though.

Tommy: Nah, I, I never offended myself over it. I just stopped doing it. But then I, now there's a, I mean, Josh posted a fucking photo of him drinking a takeaway coffee once and this guy called him out.

Josh: Yeah, I got called out.

Julian: What, someone working there or just—

Josh: No, no, no, just a patron. Yeah, yeah, a patron of—

Julian: Hey mate, what do you think you're doing with that takeaway coffee and sitting there? You're taking someone's seat.

Josh: I know. Well, no, it was— I was— I took away the coffee.

Julian: Fuck off, mate.

Josh: You can't even— Seriously, I needed you there. I mean, talking about cafes, before we went on, where's common sense gone? You were, um, you were— you're known as, uh, I was gonna say Gossip Girl, but you, you have firsthand knowledge of a love story? The Andy—

Tommy: Oh yes. Well, yeah, I mean, working at Patch Cafe, I've heard this a few times because there's some—

Julian: Well, you've heard it from the perspective of Tommy D. Yeah, Tommy D. But was Tommy D there that day?

Tommy: Well, I don't know, because I think—

Julian: I don't know if he was there, but I definitely was there.

Tommy: Well, let's get it clear, it was It was at his cafe.

Julian: It was at his cafe.

Tommy: And he had the fucking showstopper recipe locked up.

Josh: Yeah, absolutely. Lock and key.

Julian: So basically, long storey short, the waffles— Andy Lee couldn't resist Patch Waffles and found himself at Patch Cafe.

Tommy: So Andy Lee is one half of—

Julian: Who's that? Who's that?

Tommy: One half of one of the greatest comedy duos in Australian history.

Josh: Hamish and Andy. Yeah. And so they are legends.

Julian: I love their podcast.

Tommy: Yeah, well, we asked him before he got here who he did listen to podcasts, and he said Hamish and Andy.

Josh: Yeah, I think that's like a quintessential— and especially if you are living overseas and stuff and you're an Aussie.

Julian: I was listening to their podcast travelling 10 years ago. I remember listening to it, and it just made me feel like, you know, kind of feels like connected to me, connected to Australia. Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: And, um, so you were working one day, and so, yeah, you can tell us.

Julian: Well, well, Beck Harding was work, you know, working at Patch. And, uh, what happened basically, Andy had— I think he'd come in a few times that week in— within a short period of time. So, you know, for the waffles. For the waffles.

Josh: The waffles are very good though. But I would do Uber Eats. I was a beta tester for Uber Eats, so I got free.

Tommy: Yeah, it wasn't the reason why you did them because you kept doing it after you got—

Josh: yeah, well, they fucking hooked me, didn't they? But I got like a $200 voucher and they're like, you can use it it. And they used to have it where if the Uber Eats driver didn't come to your door, they would give a $20 credit. Yeah. The best part about my apartment block, there were no car parks, so those fuckers never could bring it to the door.

Julian: And I was about to accumulate a lot of money, so I got a lot of cash money. Hence why we're eating this banquet today.

Josh: Exactly.

Julian: All of the water.

Josh: And so the, um, you know, so I did have the waffles from, from Patch using Uber Eats a lot. But anyway, You just want to be a part of the story. I like waffles. Go on.

Julian: Um, yeah, what happened next? Basically, I mean, I'll preface this by saying Beck's a legend as well. We were good mates working at Patch, um, and, and there was always a bit of banter. And I remember Andy came in and he was on his laptop, probably doing some work, and, um, she was serving him. And I remember I was just sort of giving her a bit of stick, saying like, like, you know, I think he's flirting with you. And she was like, no. Like, I don't know if you met Beck, but she's just like, no.

Tommy: I remember her being at Patch.

Julian: Yeah, yeah, awesome, awesome girl. And was just like, no way. Like, and then, um, I was like, yes, he is. And then basically, yeah, he left her a note. And I was like, oh, did he give you his phone number? And she opens it and it was a little message and it was his email.

Tommy: Well played. I think it's a great— it's a great—

Julian: now is that a power move?

Tommy: Yeah, I think it's like, it's a bit quirky, it's a bit—

Julian: it's, it's, it's not my phone number, but if you really want to get in contact, it's my Hotmail.

Tommy: Did you look at the— was it a Hotmail?

Julian: I can't remember. Let's— for the purpose of the story, it was a Hotmail.

Tommy: No, it was andy@hamishandandy, just in case you didn't know.

Julian: It was hamish@gmail.com.

Josh: You know, it was info@hamishandandy.com. Just send it there. We'll get to one of us.

Julian: Find the receptionist, we'll set up a date.

Josh: But I feel like the—

Julian: And they've been together ever since.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, that's cool.

Josh: The email does work. I mean, but how do— I mean, the dating scene nowadays, like, do people even— we did a whole bit with Mr. 97 looking for love and it wasn't even phone numbers involved. It was all Instagram DMs and shit like that. That. Yeah, I think you could get pretty far down a relationship.

Julian: Instagram's a new Tinder.

Tommy: I like meeting somebody in real life as how I've, you know, how I start, start a relationship.

Julian: When did you meet Amy?

Tommy: I met her in Bali in, in 2014, '15.

Julian: Yeah, yeah, that was before the internet.

Tommy: I mean, there was— yeah, it was— I just happened to have a chance encounter with her. So, and then my previous girlfriends I met met. I've never met—

Josh: it was all pre-Tinder anyway.

Tommy: So yeah, it was all pretty Tinder. Tinder, yeah, when I was still Signal, just before I mean I was on Tinder a little bit, but nothing. I couldn't— I like—

Josh: could you log in? If— can we log in to see what the bio is? Would it keep it? Or can you not log in?

Tommy: I would— I wouldn't have ever done it. I'm not the kind of guy to put a bio. Nah.

Josh: What would you do?

Julian: You don't put a bio on your—

Tommy: I don't think I would.

Josh: Well, just one photo, just the ultimate.

Tommy: No, it just pulls your photos from Facebook.

Josh: You need a bio.

Julian: You need—

Tommy: it was so early. Here's the problem. Are you single, Joe? Yeah, but you are?

Julian: Yes. But here's the problem with not putting a bio. There's so many fake people on those things.

Tommy: Look, it's different days and you wouldn't do it now.

Josh: I mean, what's your bio?

Julian: I don't know if this is going to work for you, mate.

Josh: Yeah, I'm concerned.

Tommy: Glad I don't need that shit anymore, to be honest. Fuck.

Julian: Nah, if you're on Tinder, that's okay.

Tommy: I can't be fucked thinking about dating ever again.

Julian: I'm not, but yeah.

Josh: Yeah. I mean, are you on Tinder or not?

Julian: No.

Tommy: What about if you just Peacock, go on with Elia?

Julian: Just clips from the show. People just go like, that's not—

Josh: Yeah.

Julian: Who's this?

Tommy: Yeah.

Julian: I mean, they don't know.

Josh: Have you tried many of the dating apps or?

Tommy: Yeah, I tried.

Josh: That was a serious question.

Julian: No, I remember getting Tinder when it first came out and I was like, oh, this is a great idea. And then it just like spread like wildfire. Um, but now, no, I find it a bit like kind of whenever I have gone back on there, I'm just like, as soon as I have a conversation with more than one person, I'm like, oh, this, I don't, I can't really keep up.

Tommy: Oh, it gets confusing.

Josh: Yeah. Oh yeah.

Julian: And, and I don't know. Yeah, I'd rather just make it simple. And, but yeah, but I think like what's happening nowadays is like people are on, you know, Tinder and then Instagram and then struggling to connect or approach people just in a cafe, like à la Andy Lee, which, you know, I think you don't want to be relying on social media and on Tinder. Not that it's wrong, but just like you still need to be able to develop the skill to just go and approach.

Josh: And so you do that? Are you one to be at a cafe? Would you?

Julian: Oh my God, if anyone who knows me is listening to this, they're Like, go on, tell the truth. I just get chatting to people. I've met people on the bus, on, you know, at like train stations. I think that's just like maybe from being in hospitality and travelling a lot and in like industries where you meet so many new people almost daily sometimes, you can kind of get chatting to anyone at any point in time.

Josh: What time of day on the bus?

Julian: Day?

Josh: Yeah. What time of day? Because I feel like Mr. 97 catches the bus like end of day and start of day.

Julian: Do you ever fall in love on the bus?

Tommy: No, I haven't yet. Visually, he's not saying you've legitimately—

Julian: Yeah, like, it's like, as in, like, you're like, whoa, I'm in love with that person across there, and the chances of me actually getting a conversation going are very slim. Uh, no, I'm not—

Josh: Depends on the bus line, you think?

Julian: Yeah, yeah, definitely.

Tommy: I mean, yeah, that sometimes happens.

Julian: Yeah, like the Frankston line's probably a trickier train than most.

Josh: I mean, he's coming from Balwyn, It's lovely out there.

Julian: Bowen, is Bowen a good train?

Tommy: I mean, it's a nice bus ride in. I mean, you're just focusing on the show, aren't you? He's very focused on helping.

Josh: He's always listening to audiobooks. I was sending you the website login this morning. True, true. Why were you logging into the website?

Tommy: Changed my bio. There was a mistake.

Josh: What was the mistake?

Tommy: It was just a few little spelling things.

Josh: What did you change?

Tommy: A few little bits and bobs. Nothing bad.

Julian: You didn't run that by me.

Josh: Yeah, you didn't run it by me. That's okay. I mean, at least you're doing your bio.

Tommy: I changed my, I changed my icon photo.

Josh: Did you clear the cache?

Tommy: Didn't clear the cache.

Julian: What about you change your eye color?

Tommy: Icon photo. Oh yeah, you're going to, Jules, have a bio on our website.

Josh: Yeah, you go to thedailytalkshow.com and there's a thing where you click guests. Oh yeah, you'll see you pop up.

Julian: Oh cool, who's writing that?

Josh: Uh, that would be 3D Dylan.

Julian: Oh yeah, cool.

Josh: Yeah, sorry.

Tommy: Have you had any weird inboxes on Insta since you started on Riverdale? Because I've seen your Instagram's popped.

Julian: Yeah, a bit.

Josh: Instagram's on heat.

Tommy: Yeah, it's on heat.

Julian: It's definitely gotten warmer.

Josh: Yeah.

Julian: Um, yes.

Tommy: Any weird ones? Yeah, you can share. Uh, I think so. We, um, we're filming a video series with Tully Smyth, who was on Big Brother. She's, you know, a well-known influencer in Melbourne, and some of this we couldn't actually put them into the video.

Josh: Yeah, dick pics.

Tommy: Some of the shit she's been asked on Instagram. Oh yeah, like exchange for money stuff.

Josh: Yeah, well, someone offered her— what was it, quarter of a million dollars for a porno?

Tommy: It's full on. Yeah, it's crazy.

Julian: I haven't had that one yet.

Tommy: I mean, but no, but I think what— I think there's a difference in male and female women. Yeah, approaching. Yeah, I don't think— look, I think it's like a sick male thing.

Julian: I think for them, for the most part, um, most of the people that have jumped on my Instagram, uh, Riverdale fans, and they're, they're fan accounts. So, okay, yeah, so they're not— you can't even see what they look— sure, what they look like.

Tommy: I can tell you they're 12.

Josh: Are they all doing memes and shit? Are they all like creating— yeah. How many times have you been turned into a meme, do you think? What's your favourite meme of yourself? A lot in character.

Julian: Well, it's not necessarily a meme. What they do a lot is edits.

Josh: Yeah, we, we had, uh, and Lucy. Lucy. Yeah. Who worked out of— she was doing work experience.

Tommy: Yeah, she's a 16-year-old, but she was obsessed with Stranger Things. And there's like this swirling— it's like all this fucking—

Julian: yeah, so the video edits are interesting.

Tommy: Yeah.

Julian: And, um, yeah, I mean, they're just kids getting creative too, but yeah, it's a— with the show, it's a bit obsessive. But yeah, it'll be just like your pictures, and then they've just taken the pictures and it'll just be like different, like fade to of the next picture.

Tommy: Yeah.

Julian: And a different song that usually has like a pretty heavy bass line. So it's like And it's just like, sounds great, something screamo thing, or like, yeah, like dubstep. And it's like, doo doo doo doo doo, and it's like face to the next picture.

Tommy: They're creating your next post. It's fucking brilliant. You don't have to worry about your next social post.

Julian: They're doing the PR for you.

Josh: How often do you, uh, if someone DMs you and you don't know them, will you actually write back?

Julian: For a little while, I was actually writing a lot of people back because I just thought like like it's, um, I don't know, I was like, oh, I should probably try and work at this.

Tommy: Have you got your phone on you? Can we have a look? Oh no. I mean, mine's a sad state of affairs.

Julian: I've got no one. Okay, please reach out, please DM me with creepy stuff.

Tommy: The best one is the, um, what's it, the message requests? Because that's where this—

Julian: well, yeah, so that's where—

Josh: how many messages?

Tommy: Oh geez, he's got 99+ requests in here.

Josh: Wow.

Julian: Right, so OK, so the first bunch that I can see, they're all group— like, they've created a group chat to get you into the group. So, let's have a look at a group chat.

Tommy: This is the latest one.

Julian: And it's—

Josh: A lot of emojis.

Julian: It's 29 people.

Tommy: Oh, 29 people.

Julian: And then they've put in there, like, the top— like, KJ's in there, Camilla's in there, like a bunch of the actors from the show, and then a bunch of the fan accounts.

Tommy: Oh, wow.

Julian: And so, then they just message you. Sometimes it's in Russian. Sometimes it's in, like—

Tommy: What's this one say? Spanish? "Are you on fire?" This is your agent.

Julian: Julian is so hot right now. Um, I don't know. Yeah, they're just chatting.

Tommy: What does that say?

Julian: Look, they're chatting to each other and then—

Tommy: this is weird, man. How— like, I wonder how old these kids are.

Julian: Well, they're kids.

Josh: Do people come up and get asked for selfies?

Julian: Um, not really.

Josh: I've only had it though.

Julian: You've had just a couple of times. Like, yeah, one time at the airport.

Tommy: Can I have a little browse? This is right.

Julian: What do you want to look at?

Tommy: I just wanted to describe it.

Josh: This is what I love.

Tommy: I saw Jules looking a little bit—

Josh: he handed over Nervous.

Julian: Like, I'm getting more and more nervous.

Tommy: Well, I've done a few videos that went viral on LinkedIn or whatever, but, and I got a bunch of people messaging me. Not many. I said, Jules Lund, who's a friend who has a tech company, he was on Getaway and stuff, and he's quite big on LinkedIn. I said, can I just have your phone so you go through your LinkedIn message? He's like, dude, you should have seen the amount. You should have seen the amount of garbage. Wow, they are all group. Here's one. I very, very love you. Here we go. Uh, Rival. Wow, some of them are.

Julian: A lot of the time they apologise for their English because they might be like using Google Translate late, and they might be writing from Ukraine or somewhere.

Josh: They received a letter.

Tommy: Hi, bro, I really enjoyed your acting game in Riverdale, and I hope you'll be there again. I wish you a beautiful day. Kisses from Poland. I mean, that's nice.

Josh: Poland. Have you been to Poland? Poland's nice.

Julian: Um, yet to go to Poland. Hi, wouldn't mind going to Warsaw.

Tommy: Yeah, you might not see this, but I like your character in Riverdale, and I hope you're in season 4. Oh, I mean, so does Julian.

Julian: Who said that?

Tommy: Riverdale edits.

Josh: Thank you.

Julian: Thank you, Riverdale.

Tommy: I mean, fuck, it'd be— it would take full-time job getting rid of that shit.

Josh: No, yeah, I mean, I just want to show the screen just here. Look, you won't see the details.

Tommy: All of those, all of those, there's a lot there.

Julian: Yeah, I don't, I don't know. A lot of it's, um, actually just like really positive, just like, yeah, hey, it usually starts with, hey, you'll probably never see this, but, and, but you, you are.

Tommy: Believe and achieve, guys. Believe in it.

Julian: You are looking at it.

Josh: Have you ever written to a celebrity before? Have I?

Julian: Yes, I have.

Tommy: Have they got back to you?

Julian: No.

Josh: Oh yes.

Tommy: Who?

Julian: Um, Jason David Frank. What's his name? Jason David Frank, the, the original white green Power Ranger. Oh yeah, I wrote to him on Instagram and he's got a lot of followers.

Tommy: Does he? How many?

Julian: Like probably, I don't know, 500,000 maybe.

Josh: I could imagine you being a Power Ranger.

Julian: Thanks, I want to be.

Tommy: Definitely.

Josh: Yeah, is that actually like a—

Julian: I grew up stop wanting to be a Pam Jeff for sure.

Josh: The original, the redhead.

Tommy: How old are you? '88 you were born?

Julian: 30.

Tommy: No, yeah, so yeah, same, same age.

Josh: I mean, on IMDb I think you said you only play teenagers.

Julian: No, I might, I don't know, I might be a teenager in this show.

Tommy: How old are you meant to be in Riverdale?

Julian: I don't know, I've had discussions with different people from the show and they're like, yeah, we guess he's about 19.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, I mean, you've got that, you've got that chiselled jaw, some of the best hair in Hollywood.

Julian: Thanks, mate. When I shave I look a lot younger.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah.

Josh: Is that you shaving now or no?

Tommy: No, no, clean shave.

Julian: This is Josh shaven.

Josh: No, this is me shaven. This is half an hour with a neck beard. Oh wow, that's impressive.

Julian: I want to look up the original Power Ranger.

Josh: Did you get any information on that?

Tommy: Jason David Frank, 500K followers. What's his bio say?

Julian: I know him way too well.

Josh: That sounded—

Julian: that sounded too bad. I should have said $400k.

Josh: Click link to watch Legend of the White Dragon.

Tommy: That was the Power Rangers movie?

Julian: No, no, no, no, no. I'm pretty sure that is a new thing that he's doing where it's like probably fan— not fan—

Josh: crowdfunded.

Julian: So yeah, crowdfunded stuff. He does everything and he's— they still get him back on the show. Like, that show's still being made.

Josh: Really? Power Rangers?

Julian: It never stopped.

Tommy: What?

Julian: It never stopped.

Tommy: What channel is it on? I don't know if it—

Julian: I don't know if we've got it here. It's like there's a million seasons of it on Netflix. Really, if you were to cheque it out, and he's been on like 6 or 7 of the seasons.

Tommy: That's great.

Julian: He just never stopped. And, and he's also known as kind of like the Comic-Con God because like he goes, he goes to all of those things and it's almost like his full-time gig. And the queues to get his signature are just massive. And oh yeah, we should pull up the DM that I sent him.

Tommy: And, and he's— how he got back to you. Have you ever—

Josh: Josh, other than Seth Godin, oh, you know who I Dr.

Tommy: Chris—

Josh: Dr. Chris Brown?

Tommy: No, not Dr. Chris Brown. Um, fuck. Uh, Chris from Embarrassing Bodies. Ah, yeah, the English guy. I think it's Dr. Chris.

Julian: Oh man. Okay, so I wrote him quite a long message.

Josh: Here we go. Oh no, I don't want to read that. When was this?

Julian: April? It doesn't say the year, but it was probably this year. I would probably say about 4 years ago.

Tommy: Okay, that's important, I think.

Julian: And then, yeah, you're a different person. I just wrote like, hey Jason, just wanted to say thanks for being one of my childhood heroes. I'm actually an actor now.

Josh: This is nice.

Julian: Had an audition for Power Rangers, which would be a dream come true. Um, and then just said like, I love your attitude towards your career. Um, I hope they bring you back in some kind of role, evil, evil role. Um, and then I, I said, honestly, honestly, the original Power Rangers movie is way better than the new one. The moment when you When you say welcome to my nightmare, then start kicking ass with the staff was the best moment ever. Uh, see, it's always quite a long message.

Josh: It's actually across two messages. You hit the limit. It is.

Julian: Honestly, I don't know how much, um, what is it, people behind the franchise don't see there's a market for an older demographic, which I think is true.

Tommy: Yeah, you're on fire.

Julian: And then because did you see the— they did like a trailer with James Van Der Beek?

Josh: No, we're not across all this.

Julian: Sorry, yeah, this is good. You can't really show my nerves.

Tommy: Power Rangers podcast, you can probably start the first one.

Julian: I'm not, I don't know, I'm not a huge crazy fan. I'm gonna look at it as he reads. And then I wrote like, that Dark trailer that came out with James Van Der Beek was epic. Uh, hope they can see that, that, um, hope they can see that and make something for the big kids out there. My, uh, my sister met you at Comic-Con book convention once, um, and she apparently finally got to skip the line because she'd like— because she was working at it.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah.

Julian: And then, yeah, she got me— she got me a signed picture of the Power Rangers from the movie. So what did he say?

Tommy: What did he say?

Julian: So he just wrote this: thanks, you. And then 3 fists.

Tommy: 3 fists.

Josh: That's what you'd expect from a Power Ranger. Yeah, yeah.

Julian: He still does a lot of kung fu type stuff.

Josh: Yeah, that's great. Well, hopefully next time we get you back, you'll be in a full Power Ranger Have you got any cool auditions?

Julian: Happy to.

Tommy: That you're doing?

Josh: Um, is that how it works? Like, are you—

Tommy: I guess you know the show, or you could—

Josh: I don't know, we don't understand how it works, mate.

Julian: Is that—

Josh: is that a thing?

Julian: I don't know if like to the level of— yeah, what you're meant to talk about. Oh yeah, but to just ruin everything, um, no. What's some— yeah, I mean, like that.

Tommy: Like, do you know the show? Did you know it was Riverdale that you— I mean, you obviously—

Julian: yeah, you know when you're going in for like what show you're going in for or what movie you're going you're going in for. Commercials, they generally do like a— but just say it's like in Vancouver, you're going up for like Coca-Cola, it'll be, it'll be like you're going up for Project Space Cadet or something. It's got a code name.

Tommy: Oh really?

Julian: Yeah. And then you find out when you get there.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: What if you're like, I don't drink Coke, I don't want this job?

Julian: They're probably not gonna— they're probably not gonna hire you.

Tommy: I'm a Pepsi guy.

Julian: Um, but yeah, no, Riverdale Rivendell was a bit of a funny storey how I got that one. Um, yeah, I knew I was going up for it, but I thought it was a smaller role basically, so I didn't make too much of it. But I also, when I first got to Vancouver, I knew that it was kind of a big deal that it was happening and that it was shooting there because of the Archie Comics and there were the characters and everything. Um, and so I kind of, I kind of felt like, oh yeah, like at some point it'd be nice to get an audition for that that. Um, and then basically what happened was 2 days before, I had an audition through the same casting director for a show called Arrow, which is a DC show, superhero type show. And, um, it was for a cop. And on the top, on like on my breakdown, it said that I was going in for, um, Cop 1 and Cop 2. And so then I learned both sets of lines so I could perform it both ways in the audition. And basically I did, I did the audition as Cop 1, and then the casting director was like, oh, that's great. Um, and I was like, okay, do you want to, do you want me to do Cop 2 now? And he's like, oh no, you'll see at the top of the script it says just do Cop 1. And I was like, oh, okay, yep, sorry, fair enough, yep. And I was just like, oh, I'm gonna put in all that work to learn those lines. And then I booked it, found out I booked it, and I was pumped. I was just like, yes! This was kind of the biggest thing I'd done so far, was like a full scene on a show.

Josh: Um, is this the one where you got hit in the face?

Julian: Yeah, yeah, Arrow killed me.

Tommy: He's a badass.

Josh: He's out into a wall.

Julian: He wanted his information and then he threw me into a wall.

Josh: Yeah.

Julian: And I'm pretty sure that stunt— um, no, no, I did, I did the bit where I, I kind of did actually, because, um, they had to have a stunt coordinator in there and like showing how he was going to throw me into the first wall.

Josh: Yeah.

Julian: Because like he kind of fronts me into the wall like that and then, um, and then throws me across the room into another wall. So I didn't do the bit where I get hit and die, but I did the first bit where he slammed me into a wall. Um, and so that was pretty cool because like each time, each take, the stunt guy kept coming up to me and being like, can he, can he throw you a bit harder on this take? I'm like, yeah, go for it. And then the take we used, I don't think I really had to act because I was like, he really Gave it. Um, yeah, that was awesome fun. That was cr— that was a crazy week because I did that. Um, I was on Riverdale on the Monday, Arrow on the Tuesday, back on Riverdale Wednesday, Thursday. And I was like, I remember checking in with myself and just being like, okay, this is not a normal week for you. Just remember that. Like, so next week, the week next week, next week, yeah, next week you got nothing on. Okay, so just cheque yourself this week. Um Um, yeah, but then the Riverdale thing, I, um, I basically— I got that next day, I got this audition for Riverdale for the next— for the following day. And I saw the script and it said on the breakdown, um, that I was going up for Suitor 1. And then on the script, basically there was 5 of us younger guys that were like sons of mob families, and we were the suitors, and we were meant to go in and give Veronica a business pitch. Kind of thing. And they were all one lines, but what they'd done was scribble out the, the number and just put "suda one." So then in the audition, you just run all those lines together. Um, and then, yeah, so I was like, okay, cool, and went into the audition and did a pretty good job, I thought. And the casting director was like, okay, that was great. And then at the bottom of the page, there was a— there was another character that said Elio. Elio and a few lines and stuff. And I didn't realize, because it didn't say in my breakdown that I was going for that character.

Josh: Yeah.

Julian: And after the experience I had the day before with the cops, I was like, okay, don't bother looking at that. Like, I looked, I looked at it once and just thought like, oh, if there's any information here, that's great. But just looked at once. And then in the audition, did it, and then they were like, okay, good, are you good to do the, the Elio lines? And I was like, um I actually haven't looked at that.

Tommy: Uh, you said that. Yeah, I know.

Julian: Do you mind?

Josh: That's the right thing to do.

Tommy: Do you mind?

Julian: Was—

Josh: well, because I—

Julian: what's the other option? I really hadn't.

Josh: Yeah, fucking complete improv.

Julian: No.

Josh: Yeah, you just—

Julian: yeah, you gotta go with the truth.

Josh: Yeah.

Julian: And, um, I was just like, can I take 5 minutes? They're like, oh yeah, of course. And I went outside and my, um, my acting teacher over there was great. She, she gave us a few like rules of thumb to always I always sort of live by. Rule number 1, come back with cash.

Tommy: It smooths the deal. Yeah.

Julian: Rule number 1, don't panic.

Josh: Yeah.

Julian: And so I was just like, okay, don't panic, just focus. And I just read through it a couple of times and I was like, I reckon I got this. And I was like, went back in there and honestly it was one of the best auditions I've ever done. It was really weird. I just completely relaxed and just thought about what I was saying. And casting director was like, that was great. And then, yeah, the next day got the call up, you got it. I was— I'm always in a cafe whenever I get confirmed for these things and I'm just like crying and punching the air and just handing out your email.

Josh: I hope there's someone that's been filming it all for a montage at the end of your career.

Julian: Yeah, I think, yeah, someone will cut it together. Yeah. Do you guys want to cut that together?

Tommy: We will if you got the footage. How long from that time time that you get the phone call to the time that you're actually on set doing your thing?

Julian: I think it was about a week and a half.

Tommy: Fuck, it's pretty quick, isn't it?

Julian: It's really fast.

Josh: If you do have to get your top off, uh, do they ask you to take it off in the audition?

Julian: Ah, with acting, very rarely. Um, modeling, they'll just be like, get your gear off. But yeah, with, with acting, I think it's kind of—

Josh: they're just hoping. They're just being like, yeah, I reckon he's gonna hope he's ready.

Julian: Yeah, I don't, I don't know.

Tommy: So with acting is like whatever job you get, you, you have to assume that you are in the perfect place at the perfect time, and you as a person in that moment is right. Because what's, what else?

Julian: Like, I don't think that way.

Tommy: Well, if you don't, if you don't, if you don't get them to worry about, but if you don't get it, what's the other? I mean, that's the optimistic view of it. If I don't get it, look, I wasn't right for that in this moment. It wasn't right for me in this moment.

Julian: Yeah, I think, I think when I— oh well, in a way there's sort of less rejection with, with acting compared to modeling. Like with modeling, a lot of the time it's kind of pretty direct. Like they'll just be like, oh yeah, don't know if that, like, their specific clothing fits perfectly well, or you kind of get a bit of a sense of that, or just like you hear back really quickly. Um, and I think I was used to, like, with modelling for years, I had that experience of of kind of pretty, pretty like, yeah. I remember one lady in Europe saying like, oh, you've been eating.

Josh: Oh, really?

Julian: Yeah.

Josh: It sounds like shorties, man.

Julian: And she was right. I had been eating. Yeah. But I had gotten a little bit bigger because I was just decided I don't want to be this skinny, ripped, like small person anymore. I want to actually just train and eat and not worry about that.

Tommy: Yeah.

Julian: But yeah, when you have that experience points of that kind of thing where you could just start hating yourself. I was just like, no, like, this is what I want to do. Um, then I don't know, you used to like— you've copped that kind of rejection and feedback. So then with acting, um, you just rock up to the audition, and then I think what people struggle with most is just you don't hear back, you know. So it's not really rejection. It's not someone— someone doesn't call— your agent isn't calling you up and being like, hey mate, um, just letting you know like that audition, you, you didn't get that.

Josh: That mean you don't get closure?

Julian: You know, yeah, you don't get called. I think it's trickier when it comes to like a lot of really, really big roles. Um, like my sister was— when they're testing for stuff and you go into the studios and, you know, they basically get you to act stuff out and you're opposite the other star on the movie or whatever.

Josh: After auditions?

Julian: After auditions. Um, my sister tested for the Spider-Man with Andrew Garfield field. So they, you know, they went with Emma Stone. Um, so I was like, you can't be too disappointed because she was a pretty famous person.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah.

Julian: Um, but that's where I think the rejection is probably the hardest because you've put in so much effort, you've gone in and you've done, um, you know, these kind of like character reads and chemistry reads and stuff, and then you hear they went with someone else. I think that's, that's probably the toughest ones to get knocked back on, but, um, I'd rattle you.

Tommy: I think, I think it would rattle you.

Josh: For the modelling stuff, do you have any anti-bloating techniques? Because I've tried apple cider vinegar and I still feel like a fucking blob the next day.

Julian: It doesn't—

Josh: Bloated? Yeah.

Tommy: Oh yeah, stop eating.

Julian: Are you gluten intolerant?

Josh: I just ate a lot of peanut butter today. Anyone's gluten intolerant. Surely isn't there like— there's no bloating, that's not a thing?

Tommy: Yeah, it's called eating well. It's called—

Josh: but it doesn't have to be like the day before. It's like, okay, I need to fucking— like a fighter or something.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, no.

Josh: Well, actually, like a bodybuilder.

Julian: Like, okay, what's some— what some of the boys were doing on Riverdale?

Josh: Yeah, there we go.

Julian: Before this, yeah, that's what he wanted.

Josh: Yeah, this is my one.

Julian: Yeah, and I found it.

Josh: Yeah, no, what are you talking about? It doesn't exist. But the boys do it. The boys, the boys. Um, what are the boys doing?

Julian: Uh, what some of the guys have been doing is, um, dehydrating.

Josh: Yeah, I'm doing that right now unintentionally. Is that really— is that the thing?

Julian: Yeah. Um, to, to— yeah, because KJ's been doing a lot of boxing scenes. Um, and then I don't think he really does it, he just tries to stay in shape. But, um, Mark Consuelos, who plays, um, Veronica's dad, he, uh, he had to be shirtless in some of the scenes in this, in the steam room with me, and he was just jacked and ripped. Um, and yeah, and he was talking about how he was, yeah, dehydrating himself to look more ripped and everything. It's like, it's what bodybuilders do.

Tommy: But I will say, there is so 6, 8, 12 fucking years of training before that, then you go, I'm gonna dehydrate for a couple of days.

Julian: Also, yeah, you're not gonna look that shredded if you're just like, you've just been eating whatever for weeks and not training and you don't drink water. That isn't how it works.

Josh: You need to add the apple cider vinegar.

Tommy: You referred to bodybuilders, it's because they've been doing this systemized training for the past 6-8 months.

Josh: What does happen, it's— I'm curious as how much How fat I am.

Tommy: Fat doesn't change in those days. That's the thing. It's not— it's water. Dehydration is just water content within your body. Yeah, it's nothing about losing fat. You don't lose fat.

Julian: You don't lose fat.

Josh: Yeah, but I wonder how much— maybe I'm just feeling bloated.

Julian: Let's let him think that.

Josh: Yeah, yeah. But you were actually—

Tommy: no, no, but I stopped eating. Like, if we— if you got off carbs and sugar for a good 8 weeks weeks, you just, you feel slimmer. There's less bloat because you're drinking more water.

Julian: Also, I found just being in Australia, I don't know what it is, but I, I think I feel less bloated in general, just eating.

Tommy: Sorry, mate.

Julian: It's probably mum's cooking. Do you eat a lot of pizza?

Josh: Yes. Yeah, yeah, there's definitely that. But don't have sushi. Do you do sushi?

Julian: Um, I do like sushi.

Josh: A lot of hidden—

Julian: maybe, maybe just cut back on, you know, maybe make, maybe make pizza a treat food.

Josh: Yeah, do you do cheat days?

Julian: Do I do cheat days? Yeah, I think it— I kind of cheat every day. I had Violet Crumbles yesterday.

Josh: Did you?

Tommy: Fuck, he's living the life.

Josh: Why out of all fucking chocolates would you choose Violet Crumbles?

Julian: You guys are talking like I'm shredded right now. I'm not exactly shredded at the moment, but I mean, the Violet Crumble—

Josh: like, just on that, you've thrown a complete curveball with the Violet Crumble thing.

Julian: Have I distracted you with the—

Josh: well, no, Crunchies are a lot better than Violet Crumbles.

Julian: Would you In my crumbles, my sister bought them.

Josh: The honeycomb, it's just too dense and quite like, it's sickening.

Tommy: To be honest, anyone who has an opinion on this—

Julian: too sugary.

Josh: Yeah, it's too sugary.

Julian: No, I think too much honey in a violet crumble as opposed to a honeycomb.

Tommy: Not enough chocolate.

Josh: Do you know where violet crumbles end up going? The ones that are all—

Tommy: yes, into Bertie Beetles.

Josh: Bertie Beetles at Melbourne Show.

Tommy: Oh yeah, I mean, they sell them elsewhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can get Bertie Beetles, dude. We could get Bertie Beetles. There's like lolly shops that sell Bertie Beetles.

Josh: Are you saying you think they are only exclusively at the Melbourne show in a bag? They only do them once a year. Listen, A7's all over it.

Tommy: I mean, that's a good fact if it is. It makes sense.

Julian: Isn't the concept of a show bag a funny one? We're just going to stuff in a bunch of candy and some toys and sell it for too much.

Josh: Show bag.

Julian: I love show bag.

Josh: It was almost— it was a way It was $25, thanks. Yeah, you would have done the Power Rangers Showbag though, I'm sure.

Julian: Probably, I probably haven't. Yeah, it probably had like a mask that had a little rubber bit that snapped off because it was just stapled on.

Josh: Alibaba job. Did you find out the Bertie Bottles?

Julian: Yeah, well, you can buy them from showbagshop.com.au. Showbagshop.com.au. Yeah, surely subscriptions are $120.

Josh: Yeah, behind subscription. Yeah, fuck going to the Melbourne show if you could just get the show bags delivered. 150-pack as well.

Tommy: $50. $50.

Josh: Yeah, $150. $50.

Julian: Oh, so you can just buy a box of Bertie Beetles?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, not bad.

Julian: Should we invest, boys?

Tommy: Yeah, good investment.

Josh: Sound investment. Julian, mate, thanks for coming on the show. Next time, the Power Rangers will make some waffles. Yeah, and we'll have a bunch of Bertie Beetles as well.

Julian: Bring the tapioca flour.

Josh: It's a daily talk show. Remember, go to thedailytalkshow.com. You can click through guests, you can see Julian's profile, you'll see what 3D Deal has written about him on there. Uh, hi@thedailytalkshow.com if you want to send us an email. Otherwise, tomorrow is Fat Fridays. We'll see you then.

Tommy: See you guys.