Contexts, Words & Intentions

Josh: The Daily Talk Show.

Tommy: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 395.

Josh: What's going on, guys? How are we?

Tommy: I'm very well for Tuesday. Uh, big news with Mr. 97.

Josh: What's the big news?

Mason: The blender's back working.

Josh: I clap that. Yeah, you know that that's a win for a big tight arse.

Tommy: It's a golf— it's a golf—

Josh: I mean, fuck, that's how you started your day. Yeah, my day started, my son told me that he doesn't like his daddy.

Tommy: Really? What, were you being a dickhead to him?

Josh: I just went in to pick him up and he just started wriggling. No, I don't like daddy. It's like, mate, all right, you want your mummy? Yeah, I want mummy. And so I was like, fine.

Tommy: Did you tell him words have power?

Josh: I said, oh, fucking smack. No, no, no, he just, he doesn't really know. He's sleeping, he's hungry. We didn't give him milk last night, trying to cut him back. I think he's getting a bit fat.

Tommy: I mean, is this dairy, like a normal, like cow's milk?

Josh: We give them cow's milk, but most kids are on cow's milk. They're on breast milk and then they try and— you get them formula, then it becomes too expensive. So you get them— actually can be expens— they just start drinking less. And so we got him onto, um, so much sugar in formula. Like, I looked on this, I mean, milk is a form of sugar, fructose, lactose, sucrose, they're all You know, sugars. But he drinks quite a bit of milk and he loves it, loves it going to bed. I think it becomes a bit of a like, what's your little dummy when you go to sleep? Your dummy is the headphones in with the audio. You are the dummy.

Tommy: No, definitely audiobook. But, uh, at the moment for me, peanut butter toast. Oh yeah, I've just, I had to, um, Uber Eats today just as a way of breaking that bread Breaking the bread. Yes.

George: Yeah.

Tommy: No, well, because I had, yeah, a lot of, what, probably for the past 2 weeks, I reckon. Yeah. It's like, oh, we've got bread. I was just like, it's lunchtime. I'm hungry.

Josh: I mean, speaking of broken bread, Mr. 97, one of the most infuriating arguments we've ever had, and we don't have many. Like, I think about the people— I'll just tell you, this is a nice— this is a compliment before I get stuck into you. There's a thing in the meditation app with Sam Harris, and you're meant to think about somebody who you have an uncomplicated relationship with that you really like. I think about you, and I think, and I, and it's like, it's about us. Nah, nah, nah, Mr. 97 for some reason. And you have to sort of recite things like, because the fucking pushover, that's why he just does whatever he says, whatever you say. You basically, you recite these really nice things around wishing that you have no pain or no any, a bunch of these things. I don't know if you've got that far in the app. Sam Harris app, but it's really light, nice. It's like, um, these passages or sayings to try and create a feeling inside, and then you trans— you know, you're transmitting that feeling over to you. It's like, it's really nice.

Tommy: You already like him, do you need to do it?

Josh: It's almost like— no, Sam's asking me this, like, who's someone in life that you have an uncomplicated relationship? My son, my wife.

Tommy: He doesn't even like you anymore.

Josh: I know, that's why I say Miss 97. But this I think the infuriating conversation was when you went to your mate's Greek church and, and you, you do, you go up and you get the bread and you do, you know, the— I can't remember what it's called— the, um, yeah, I don't know what it's called. The Son, you know, the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit. Amen. You should be using your hand to go. My mum would be furious at me right now. But you, you touch your head, you touch, uh, sort of towards your sternum, you go up to your left shoulder and you go across to your right, and then you come in and pray with your hands together. You and I had a discussion and you're like, mate, no, you go from your head down to your chest and then you go across to your right shoulder, then you go across to your left. And I said no, I said no. And he said, I'm telling you, it is Father, Son. And I'm like, no, it's the other way. I used to go to fucking church I was a little church boy.

Tommy: I do more of like just a circle because I don't know.

Josh: Just throw your hands out, do a fucking dandruff dab in there. But I had to call my mum. I had to call mum and say—

Tommy: How often does she go to church? Every week or not?

Josh: No, no, not anymore. But she prays a lot. She prays. And she prays for you.

Tommy: Really?

Josh: I'm sure she's prayed for you.

Tommy: Oh, that's nice.

Josh: She prays for a lot of people. She's lovely.

Tommy: Her and I have an uncomplicated relationship. Do you think she would?

Josh: I mean, you could think of her if you got through the Sam Harris app.

George: Yeah.

Tommy: How far along are you on the 7 Days?

Josh: You're gonna get past the 50 days and then it goes into the other half.

Tommy: How unbroken are you on the app?

Josh: I haven't, I haven't had a— since Matt Diavella's month where he started.

Tommy: I really want to do it because I haven't missed a day. I was saying how much you've changed. I reckon it's the meditation, isn't it?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Are you going to a psychologist or anything?

Josh: No, no, no.

Tommy: Really?

Josh: I should.

Tommy: No, no, but that's the thing. I think it's like In all seriousness, you don't get angry at anything.

Josh: I mean, I was angry at Mr. 97 for fucking up the hand movements. And Mum, Mum just backed me up on that one.

Mason: Is it a different thing for Greek?

Josh: You're the one with the power of Google in your hands right there. I don't think there's any difference. It's Catholicism. I don't think it's changing, going, ah, we're Greek, we're going right. It's all about head down to sternum across the heart. And then across to the shoulder and then in the middle.

Tommy: There are people that have— Who was it? I saw like they've got their heart is on the other side.

George: Oh, geez.

Josh: That's full on.

George: Like their heart's on the right side.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Really? No, I have heard of this and I think they can— It's healthy.

Tommy: Actually, it was a comedian because they do a whole bit where they were like, they were showing someone and then they put their head and then people walked in.

Josh: One of my favourite quotes. Not that I— I just think it's clever. Your heart's on the left because it's not always right.

Tommy: Oh, that's nice.

Josh: You know, following your heart.

Tommy: You've really— You have softened, I think, a lot. Plus, I think that we did an episode probably like a year ago where I asked if you're a feminist. Oh, yeah. And you got so angry about the whole thing. Yeah. And the thing— And so, and even yesterday, you called me a girl and then you picked yourself up later and was like, I don't know about that.

Josh: Well, I felt what I said. I never said don't be a girl. I said, ah, you big girl. And I thought about it after and I was like, words have meaning, obviously. And I was thinking about—

Tommy: That's why we do Word of the Day.

Josh: And I was thinking about what did I actually mean? Because I think we respond to things in the moment where we get the context of why we're saying it. So you could say 'You're a big girl,' which could have the connotations that it's a negative thing to be a girl, which I don't think. I think it's a fucking— if you're a girl, you're a girl, it's great.

Tommy: But I was being a gronk.

Josh: No, I thought you were. And what I meant by the girl thing, I probably— and this is the thing, it's— I should choose a different word. I should choose a different phrase, right? Because I didn't feel good about it after you said it. But what I meant was like the gossip nature of your behaviour in that moment.

Tommy: But then that's the whole— but that is still Yeah, I know. The idea that like, what do we call— like, it's the equivalent of like, you could say men are more aggressive.

Josh: Yeah, but I was saying men are more aggressive, and you could— so the opposite would be saying, oh, you got aggressive like a man, or you gossip like a girl. I mean, Gossip Girl didn't do it any good.

Tommy: No, but then it turned out that was a fucking bloke.

Josh: Sorry if I've just spoiled it for you. Yeah, Gossip Girl was a guy.

Tommy: Really? No, you didn't ruin that whole thing.

Josh: No, but I mean, this is the thing, right? Words do have power. It was a Gronkh move, but you were trying to sort of like plant a little fucking gossip seed on Mr. 97's private life.

Tommy: You were defending Mr. 97, but in the, uh, as a result, yeah, you then threw under the bus a whole gender.

Josh: Uh, I just— but is it not true that there's, there's— if you look at how young teenage girls, how they kind of do a lot of damage, and it's by the gossip chat, it's like the, the talking and stuff. That's what I was meaning. But then what happened?

Tommy: But then But then what happens when, like, if someone's— if a woman is in a role within a business and they're having a conversation about someone, we might be more likely to say, oh, they're gossiping, whereas we might not say the same thing. So all of a sudden it becomes this double standard.

Josh: What I find hard, I mean, we have to choose our words, and I think we've done so many episodes that you could tell if we were fuckwits or not by now. Like, we would have come undone.

Tommy: Yeah. And so people who think we're fuckwits are probably not listening.

Josh: They're probably not listening. Oh, they choose little bits. The hard—

Tommy: you reckon there's people who think that we're fuckwits where it's like, I can only handle them in snippets?

Josh: No, I mean they've jumped into different podcasts and heard us at a moment.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Where they've just built out something. And that's the thing about this podcast. If you finished yesterday and you were grumpy at me for saying that, which I'm probably sure you didn't even fucking register it. I registered it. That's why I told you about it and I didn't feel good. So I think that's the effect it needs to have on the person who says it, because if other people just get angry at shit that people are saying but they don't feel it inside, there's the problem, right?

Tommy: But I guess part of it too is that our default is to defend our position. And so in some regards, like, you were trying to provide context.

Josh: Yeah, well, I tried.

Tommy: For the position, which There's probably something to be said, which has been like—

Josh: I actually think it's— I think it has to be the case. I think you need to understand somebody's context to truly understand. You can't just pull out the fucking whip and hit them without listening, because I don't think it's right to then defend something. But I think context is important.

Tommy: But maybe there's something in saying, hey, this is why I don't feel good about it. And then saying, this is what I was thinking, which is what I did, didn't I? No, I don't think maybe you did the, the job of saying why it didn't make you feel right.

Josh: So you were like, people might feel this is the whole thing I'm talking about it, right? Didn't make me feel right based on the things you've said, the thing that it can lump a bunch of people into one category.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And then I think the, the hard thing in a progressive society is to look at— it's to not even acknowledge some things, right? And I'm not even talking about the thing that I just said, but seeing certain clusters like men as aggressive or women as— like, there are some things that— are they just thrown out then, that sort of generalisation? But some generalisations are in existence, right? So, that's where I find it hard to sort of And everyone's— it's a balancing act to work out, okay, what do you truly believe in? Like, what do you—

Tommy: what's— it's small language shifts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If, uh, I think if, if Bree and I are having some form of argument, I'd be more likely to say, I think you're being an asshole right now, whereas like maybe 15 years ago you'd say you're being a bitch. The thing is that the— it feels like it's a no— like it's a lose-lose using that language because it doesn't have it straight away shows your unconscious, unconscious bias, but it shows that you're applying that, whereas everyone can be an asshole. That's what I think. I think there's a good shift there going from— Yeah, don't call people assholes anyway, but sometimes people are being assholes. That's the other thing, you know, when you're in an argument or something, you're being an asshole versus you are an asshole, I think is different. Yeah, but I've also had this with my wife and I use that fucking excuse. No, no, you aren't an asshole, but you're being an asshole right now.

Josh: Don't be an asshole. Don't be a bitch.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: No, no, you're not one.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: But I just don't want you to go down that fucking track. I don't want you to regret nothing.

Tommy: It's— you can't even tell. Yeah.

Josh: I think it's the same weight, even though words have meaning. I think it's like what I said, don't— you're being a girl is also not far from don't be a girl. I don't think— I think people hear it and they hear the one that's more— the one that I think is worse by the choice of words, but they're still clumped in the same thing. So it doesn't— like, you're not doing yourself a service. So what I'm saying is me saying, uh, you're being a girl is the same as saying the other thing. And that's why I'm saying, like, saying—

Tommy: yeah, because it's like saying— because it's like the, uh, there was that whole campaign where it's like, oh, you run like a girl. What does it mean to run like a girl?

George: And they do—

Tommy: have you seen that? It's good. Um, but then it, yeah, it's hard. I don't think, like, I just think it's, it's better not, like, in general putting those, um, those words on either gender because it feels like it's—

Josh: I think there's a lot of people from our generation, maybe Mr.

Tommy: 97's generation, actually he's pretty loose, not saying that about this stuff, but I've heard you and 97 have you pulled up from anyone of things that you've said that you've worked out, oh, actually I shouldn't say that?

Mason: Yeah, a few times with using the words like retarded.

Josh: You can't say that. Yeah, not anymore.

Mason: No.

Josh: And that's the thing. What was it? What did it used to be? I mean, this is the thing, young kids, our generation didn't grow up thinking that the word and what the meaning of retarded was the actual thing I'm saying that you are. And that's young people. It takes time to learn this shit that fucking, it's not okay.

Tommy: So, do you think that there's then a portion of the population that was previously isolated based on the language?

Josh: Say, what do you mean?

Tommy: Or there are people who really kept like, who spearheaded actually it's not okay? Like 15 years ago when you would like watch films or whatever and they would say retarded. It was sort of, it seemed like it was, or like it was funny because you didn't really connect it. But maybe part of it is because like now we're so much more connected, we empathise with the people who it does actually impact. So, it's always impacted someone.

Josh: Always has. Exactly right.

Tommy: It's not like it's all of a sudden, it's like, oh, there's a group of people now care about this.

Josh: But that's why I don't think we should just crucify somebody, as they say, because a young kid, I think about kids that would say it, right. They're not actually meaning the person that is suffering from a disability. Like as a kid, I used to say heaps of words that I didn't fucking mean. They literally had no weight within me, but I was still using the word. And so there's an education piece. That's why I don't think you should just, people should just be in trouble in the first instance. It's like the gronk that keeps saying this shit is the fucking gronk and has the problem and needs to be, you know, however you deal with this stuff.

Tommy: But there's something fun about using taboo words as well. I mean, yeah, like with your mate, like, I guess that's the risk, isn't it? Is it like, like comedy and all that sort of thing? There's something— is it wrong that there is an internal bond created when you say naughty things?

Josh: Yeah, of course. That's why I, that's why I think, right, the person who is getting annoyed at someone like me that says that thing, it's like everyone fucking slips up. Not everyone's in a position where they have their voice recorded every day. And so that's, that is a difference. The podcast between Sam Harris and Ricky Gervais is phenomenal. Two very intelligent people. Sam Harris is the guy that has the medicine meditation app that I use, and they did a 2.5-hour episode. They go into this about Ricky, who's a comedian who makes jokes, and he's looking at the progressive society, and he's a lefty, right? He agrees with a lot of things with the left and says one thing, he jokes about something from the right, and next minute he's a right-wing Nazi. And I think he articulates because he's in a position where he uses a lot of words that have meaning, but he's thought about how he's using them, and they still get taken out of context.

Tommy: Do you think that maybe also the risk of saying like, you're being a girl, or you're acting like a girl, or you're a big girl, it infers neg—

Josh: it's a negative connotation, right?

Tommy: But also maybe it's like also think about dudes. Like, we did the whole, uh, The Line campaign or whatever, which is like, to be a guy, you have to be a certain way. You have to be aggressive. You have to be— and so that's the other side of it. Not only is it negative towards women or puts them in a position, but it's also setting up the expectation of what we're meant to be versus— well, but think about also, like, used to be like Battle of the Sexes. Like, think about the amount of shit that there used to be in the mainstream media that there just wouldn't be today?

Josh: Most of the shit that we had growing up, the racism that we— like, it was— it's only— you didn't even class it as racism back when you were young. Yeah, it's phenomenal.

Tommy: It's like, well, think about like—

Josh: I'm glad that my son won't have that kind of shit. I remember Aboriginal jokes as a kid going around the school, like, fucking, that is inappropriate. And so, I'm glad we've come from a time where we've been able to see, right? We've come from over here and we're going to a place where it is a much more, it's more of an unacceptable thing.

Tommy: Yeah. So, is that then political correctness?

Josh: Because I think the people who, when you start talking about politically correct, you start throwing it into a basket of no, but it's actually okay. You guys are all just whinging about it. So I think there's a whole bunch of shit that can be taken off the table that isn't, that isn't good. And I think then when that stuff's taken off the table, a few people get upset that they got their thing that they like taken off the table.

Tommy: I mean, I wonder whether you wonder what the future is going to be like.

Josh: I know, yeah.

Tommy: At 97, you've got younger siblings or What's the vibe? Do you think it's going to become more sort of like this way, or do you think that, like, I think some people will say, oh, it's, we're overcorrecting at the moment and then it's going to go back. But then, yeah, I don't think it's going to go back.

Josh: I just think the Ricky Gervais talks about the noise that he hears from his Twitter account. Is like walking past a bin and there's a guy in there yelling profanities back at him. He said that's, that's the equivalent of—

Tommy: yeah.

Josh: And he's like, it's a small percentage. So right now the noise that we hear doesn't speak for everybody, but he's very noisy, right? So if someone gets taken down online and shit, it's like you go outside— that's what Ricky says. He's like, you're in your Twitter and it's fucking crazy, you go outside, it's like No one's actually saying any of this shit. And so I think young people are much more progressive than we were when we were younger because of the time that we're in.

Tommy: What does it actually like equal in regards to conversation and living? And what does it actually mean?

Mason: Well, I don't think the whole thing, uh, is like overcorrecting because you still got like— we've still got like way more to go in terms of, uh, rights and equality, but Yeah, I— it's, it's hard. Like, I just, I just hope that it, it continues. Like, because you've got all the noisy people, right? And it's like, you listen to, uh, like some of, some of the guests that Joe Rogan has on, and they're talking about like the 4% of people that are all the vocal ones that are really, really, uh, I guess progressive. But majority of people, like, I guess it just comes back to empathy and kindness. Like, you just— you look at all the people that are like, they're not being recognised for who they are or whatever. And yeah, I don't, I don't know. It's—

Tommy: is there an all-encompassing value set? Because I guess everyone has different values.

Josh: Yeah, exactly.

Tommy: So how do we—

Mason: that's— I think that's where the empathy comes in. I don't think your values matter. I think if you just put yourself in their shoes then you're, you're living through their values. So if you can understand that, then regardless of your values, it doesn't matter.

Tommy: Yeah. And so, but then I guess there's a level of understanding that needs to happen, which, unless you're part of those— like, I think that what's maybe helped me over the years is listening to stuff that's not people like us talking, like As one way, you know, think about it.

Josh: We didn't have the conversation around gay marriage and equality. Like, this wasn't a conversation when we were young.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: So I wonder about— I've never once thought anything about gay people. Like, I've never once thought it's not okay to be gay, never in my life. But you would also—

Tommy: that's, that's gay, 100%.

Josh: It was, it was—

Tommy: so it's like it detached your Vocabulary was detached from the thing.

Josh: Exactly. But then in now, like, now young kids that are at that same age, there's the thought of, you know, the, the conversation around gay marriage and all of these things, which then makes you think more about it. So you then start thinking and having more of an opinion about it, whether that opinion be, I totally support same-sex marriage, you know, which we didn't have that thought because there was no same-sex marriage to support back then. It was not okay, right? And so it wasn't even a conversation. So I think it's a good thing that young people are being exposed to these things because it makes them think and makes them start to see what do we want. I didn't feel like when I was young I had a say in what we wanted. Did you, did you feel that?

Tommy: Like, yeah, well, no, it feels like you were— your opinion was based on the older people around you.

Josh: Exactly.

Tommy: Because that's all you had. So it's like, oh, you would see something and then there would be— you'd hear your parents or whoever it was talking about that thing and then you're like, oh, that's the way of the way that it is. But then I guess nowadays it's not like you just have— you're not just watching Home Improvement. And like TV, but you can like go online and follow people on Instagram who are really progressive, who are bringing up these issues.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: The young people are then, you know, consuming. I guess part of it is it's like, which is a privileged position to be in, but it's like, how do we, how do you not like stress about, like, how do you just like, as everyone just chill? How do you be empathetic and all that sort of thing, but also just chill the fuck out? Where it doesn't sort of draw, like it feels like for a lot of people, especially if you're in a minority, it is all-consuming. Like you'll listen to, you know, I listen to African American people and having a podcast and every conversation's around colour. And it's like, it's not, it doesn't even feel like it's, we don't even think of it necessarily as an issue, but then it's because they're living this day-to-day thing.

Josh: Well, I think podcasts and, you know, the internet has given us access to people's internal dialogue.

Tommy: Yeah. And so, but even Charlemagne Tha God, I was listening to his audiobook and he was talking about how all of those things, those narratives ended up being a disservice because he was always quick to say, like, position it of like, everyone's out to get me. I'm the minority. Which, it's hard. We're not in the position to, to really give any interesting insights into it. But I think it's interesting.

Josh: That's how I was feeling yesterday.

Tommy: That's good. How are you going through it, Angel?

George: I'm good. Just on, just touching back on that, I think there's a lot of people talking about it and a lot of people bringing it up, but I don't think everyone's necessarily listening and listening and understanding. Right? Because you can talk and I can listen to you, but if I don't understand what you're saying, I'm not going to retain it and I'm not going to do anything with it, right? There's— I'm not taking any action about it.

Josh: Yeah.

George: And I think that's what a, like, a lot of— not to say that everybody is, but I think a lot of people are doing is they're— they see it on Instagram and stuff and all this stuff about colour and gender and everything that's going on. Everyone's seeing it. They're reading about it, but they don't understand what it means to them and how it impacts their life. Right. So, yeah.

Tommy: Yeah, it's, it's, it seems, yeah, working out what the actionable bits are, I think, is the, is the interesting bit.

Josh: I think also you're saying a year ago we had a conversation about whatever, actually having conversations out loud with people is for what I believe one of the only ways to start really solidifying your thinking and questioning how you might respond to something. So you might actually say the wrong thing, but it's only because of an existence that you've had up until this point where it's just a reaction. Like the girl thing is like, yeah, you know, there's, there's campaigns against people saying that shit. The people who are saying that shit have probably grown up saying that shit. And so it's time for a change. And, and that's where starting to talk about these things with people—

Tommy: well, it's almost your older self. Like, I think the funny thing is, in those moments where you— when you said, said that, I was thinking like, it's, it's in alignment with you 5 years ago or whatever, but it doesn't fit. Like, it's, it's the— your vocabulary or the way of speaking is catching up with your point of your worldview. Yeah. Don't you think?

Josh: Yeah, 100%. And where you are today versus 10 years.

Tommy: So if someone listens to this conversation in 10 years' time, it seems so primitive.

Josh: Yeah, 100%, because you're not actually where— if you're the same person 10 years forward, Ricky Gervais I think said, you're a shitty bloke. Yeah, you're a shitty person, you're a shitty girl, whatever, you're a shitty person. And that's so true because there should be some growth, there should be some level of growth. If you're stuck in your ways 'As a person, nah, I'll fucking use the— I'll say gay.' Just like, that's— come on, dude, maybe just have a think about it a little bit more. But that's why talking it through— but if you're around a bunch of people who do the same shit, you're probably—

Tommy: yeah, it's that echo chamber or whatever.

Josh: I think we've— I think I, I think I'm definitely more progressive from hanging around with you.

Tommy: What do you think? That like, if you think about the feminism stuff Like, I'm trying to remember that. I remember it felt heated.

Josh: Yeah, but it's also like, I think there's probably— I think you asked me if I'm a feminist and I said, why do I have to answer that? I like equality for women. Fucking obvious. Like all these things. So yes, I have all the traits of a feminist.

Tommy: But so that was my point. But the bit that you should be completely comfortable with, which I think you are now, is saying I'm a feminist. Like, it doesn't— like, it's not a trick question. Like, I think people are assuming this is some fucking big trick question where it's like—

Josh: But I think it's even changed since we've spoken about it. I think that noise around people who are shitty feminists and making it— making all the feminists who just want equality for women, making them look bad, because there has been a time that that's happened, right? And so I think most people are fem— like, most people should be feminists.

Tommy: What do you mean by the shitty feminists?

Josh: People who have given a bad rap where it's an attack on men, or there's been, you know, men are the enemy style. Because a feminist— like, I look at my wife and she's gone from having those feelings and that anger towards men to having a complete shift where she's still a feminist but she doesn't have those feelings anymore.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And so it's the You— it's the case if you can't lump all feminists in with the feminists that are taking it a bit far and abusing men. Yeah, because then it's like, that's not how it works.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: So there's multiple, you know, facets of that.

Tommy: What do you think about like having a podcast, having a, you know, a daily talk show? Uh, we're talking— I was talking to Mr. 97 about it. He's like, could we be talking more about news Should we be talking more about things that are happening out and about?

Josh: Depends where you get news from.

Tommy: Well, he gets it here and he goes to The Verge, so it'll be all very tech heavy. Tech heavy. Yeah. But I mean, what's the— what's our responsibility? What do we want to be talking about? Like, just in general?

Josh: I mean, these conversations, this is shit I think about in my head a lot. And so if there was a— I think it'd be a problem if I never thought about this stuff, and I would maybe say it's probably something to try and explore. But it's not easy to explore this stuff. I think there's a weight that comes with talking about this because you're trying to choose your words to not be fucking caught out, or like, or just—

Tommy: or also saying something, not articulating how you actually feel, I guess.

Josh: Which is why then people can say, I gotcha. Yeah, but they haven't got us. I feel like I'm a good person. Yeah, I feel like you know, I'm all those things. And so the— I just, I like having fun. I like talking about fun stuff. I like talking about stories. I like having experiences, revving you guys up a bit.

Tommy: You did— talking about fun, you did a Insta storey last night of a car that was covered in stickers. Bizarre deal.

Josh: It just, it was just pulling up alongside and I was like What the fuck is this? Stickers all over this thing. And on it said—

Tommy: Did they look homemade? Like, what were they?

Josh: Oh, dude, they were like if we just got a bunch of little stickers that had like, big media company, our address, you know, the Daily Talk Show, the website. And then they stick it all over the car.

Tommy: It's almost like stickers that you would see on an envelope.

Josh: They're labels. They're literally like labels that you'd put on something. So if you lose it—

Tommy: They do have a menu log sticker as well.

Josh: Yeah. And so I thought, but then I read the actual So they've used the stickers to make it say something. And so it's come or no come, 0395348833, call me baby.

Tommy: And Amy and I were like, absolutely not, what is that?

Josh: And I'm looking at the driver, this dude, I'm just like, is this a brothel? Are you working?

George: What is this?

Josh: This seems—

Tommy: I don't know if there's any brothels on Menulog.

Josh: Well, I didn't know if the Menulog meant anything. I thought it was a shitty car. I was like, Surely you can't.

Tommy: Menu Log feels like it's one of those stickers. There's certain stickers that just stay on buildings. It will go through 6 different restaurants, but the Menu Log sticker will always stay.

Josh: So I ended up posting it on the Daily Talk Show's Insta.

Tommy: So you Googled it?

Josh: Yeah, well, I didn't. I thought someone else would, and someone else did. B-Mac. Shade. Shade sent it through, our number 1 hype man. And, um, It's Mah Hong Restaurant. It's a Chinese dim sum and Cantonese fare. Like, so they're just doing deliveries on—

Tommy: There's a lot of work that's gone into that sticker thing.

Josh: Maybe they're like, sex sells.

Tommy: So do you think that's what they're going for?

Josh: I don't know. It's like cum or no cum. It's like call me baby.

Tommy: Yeah, call me baby.

Josh: It's complete sexual connotation.

Tommy: Yeah, I get that.

Josh: Anyway, it's just a, uh, Chinese restaurant, trying to hustle.

Tommy: Interesting. We've, we update the homepage of thedailytalkshow.com every few days.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So, you can go see what we're doing there. If you are listening this far, do an Insta story, just screen grab your podcast app or take a photo. Like, I like the ones where people have taken a photo. Russ Keyes loves a gym photo. He's at the gym and takes a photo of the video, which is cool.

Josh: That's a good idea. So you can see where you're at listening to it. Love that.

Tommy: But we've, uh, we're hitting episode 400 on Sunday, which is good. Yeah, so excited for that. But also many guests from after episode 400, you'll start to see— is flurry a word?

Josh: Yeah, McFlurry.

Tommy: Flurry.

George: F-L-U-R-R-Y.

Tommy: Yes, a flurry of guests.

Josh: Put an MC at the front.

Tommy: A McFlurry of guests. No, we're going to have a flurry of guests starting episode 400.

Josh: Another thing I'm pissed off about, what, McFlurry's back in the day they had a machine that they would put the actual spoon up into and then they would hold it up and it'd go—

Tommy: It's like a mixer.

Josh: Now they just like dump it on and leave. It's just like—

Tommy: You can just mix it yourself.

Josh: I know, but premix was so good.

Tommy: Can you still get premixed alcohol? Yes.

Josh: Yeah. What's that got to do with—

Tommy: Well, no, just talking premix. There was a— Did they tax it higher or something?

Josh: Where?

Tommy: In Australia recently.

Josh: Like, I mean, you're speaking to a guy who doesn't drink.

Tommy: I just feel like there was—

Josh: In Australia, it's very—

Tommy: I remember doing a school debate.

Josh: What about?

Tommy: On pre-mixed drinks.

Josh: Should you tax them?

Tommy: Yeah, it was something about like, should young people— should— I think they wanted to set it up so they're like, should there be an— should it be an older age to have access to pre-mixed drinks? Ah, which is a little bit confusing because it's fucking confusing.

Josh: What, then you get hard liquor? Yeah, at a young age?

Tommy: Yeah, you got to mix it yourself.

Josh: In America, they don't do as many pre-drinks as us.

Tommy: Really? Premix? Premix or pre-drinks?

Josh: Sorry, did I say pre-drinks? I don't do premix like what we do. We have the, like, all the bourbons in cans and shit. They've just— the liquor's so cheap, it's like $15 for a huge bottle of bourbon.

Tommy: I do understand pre-drinks a lot more as I get older.

Josh: Why?

Tommy: Well, I never sort of understood. It sounds fucking boring, but part of it is the price, and so they're trying to get tipsy beforehand.

Josh: Plus, no, you've— most people are fucking— you've actually gone backwards. As you get older, less people doing pre-drinks.

Tommy: Oh really?

Josh: It's a young thing because young people are tight asses. So I used to do pre-drinks at my house all the time, and my mate would bring around bourbons and fucking would all get pissed before we go to the bar because we were too tight ass to spend.

Tommy: But do you think it's also like, like people being socially awkward, they try and have a drink beforehand? Nah, that's not a thing.

Josh: Um, yeah, sure. Like when you're getting, when you're getting dressed and stuff, I've been smashing a few, but I just like getting a bit fucking— but how you going before?

Tommy: That's a bit— they are pre-drinks though, aren't they?

Josh: Yeah, but you're saying— I understand pre-drinks where— but that was a mindset of the young kids drinking heaps before they go out because then they don't want to—

Tommy: it's not a thing anymore.

Josh: I'm sure it's a thing.

George: I'm sure 100% a thing. I'm in college, I'm telling you.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tommy: But what about like— oh, I guess what we're not sure about is older people.

Josh: I mean, older people just— we've got less time. Look, I'll meet you at the bar, right? Fuck, I gotta sort out the kids.

Tommy: And you know, and what you're saying is while they're putting their pants on and stuff, they're having a—

Josh: Yeah, maybe one in the shower. Yeah, a little beer.

Tommy: Have you really done that?

Josh: But the pre-drink culture in my experience was when I was young.

Tommy: Okay.

Josh: 16, 17, 18, 19.

Tommy: The older people aren't doing pre-drinks?

Josh: You're just meeting at the bar. You're just going out for dinner. I mean, you think it makes sense that people have more money as they're a bit older.

Tommy: Which for me sounds like more pre-drinks. But what you're saying is no pre-drinks.

Josh: It's not the pre-drinks like it used to be.

Tommy: Okay. I can show you photos of the pre-drinks that we used to have.

Josh: Used to have.

Tommy: It's a daily talk show. Hi@thedailytalkshow.com. Uh, are you a pre-drinker? I think Gemma Watts is a pre—

Josh: I'm not saying no one does—

Tommy: pre-drinker, production drinker, and post-production drinker. All, uh, all three. Uh, but otherwise, we'll see you tomorrow, guys.

Josh: See you soon.