Should I Have a Kid?

Tommy: The Daily Talk Show.

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 391.

Tommy: What's going on, guys? What's happening? Fat Fridays.

Josh: You okay, mate?

Tommy: You spoke so fucking slow, I literally thought about what I need to do tonight, what I want to do on the weekend, all within your intro. That's how slow you fucking—

Josh: Fat Fridays.

Tommy: You're either having— you've got a sugar low, which means— I remember as a kid I had this fucking— I've got this such vivid memory. I felt like I was hallucinating. I mean, I was in parts of my childhood, of my teenage years.

Josh: But when you're hallucinating—

Tommy: no, I just remember smoking a lot of weed.

Josh: But I remember hallucinate smoking weed, you get a bit trippy. But do you— what's like a full-blown— is it a hallucinogenic?

Tommy: I had cookies once, and the cookies are they have the same drug as marijuana within THC, but it's different. It goes through your body differently when you ingest it. Something happens, and it's the closer thing to a hallucinogen or a psychedelic. I've never done psychedelics, but I've done cookies that, you know, that fucked me up. And it's literally why I didn't touch marijuana for 10 years afterwards after that, because I was like, I'm so paranoid. I, I was like convinced people would die. It was just like, it's Full-on experience. I gave them to somebody else, a bunch of other people in my house, and then I came down to the back room and they're all on the couch. They literally went, what have you done to me?

Josh: I just was like—

Tommy: and in that state, everyone's fine, no one's fucking dying, but it feels like you're dying. I was just like— went back in and then I was convinced my girlfriend was cheating on me. Turns out she was. But was she really? Yeah, but I don't She did cheat on me, but it was— she was getting text messages and I was convinced that it was like she was having it off with some guy.

Josh: So you— but you think you know it? Was it like some sort of unconscious instinct that the cookies brought out in you?

Tommy: Nah, I don't think so. It just was paranoia.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: And it was true.

Josh: So they were both right.

Tommy: And so what's the feeling? I remember as a kid being so, so hungry and getting lightheaded, and it must have been insulin, like some kind of blood sugar stuff. But I remember being out on the trampoline and I was like, I hadn't eaten and I was just like, felt so— it felt out of body. It was weird. I reckon that's where you're at right now.

Josh: Yeah, I would do that a lot, but I was going through a stage where I lost a bunch of weight. It was the most unhealthy way. Would fast all day and then have a packet of Natural Confectionery Company lollies. And that was about like one of the smallest packets. It's about 700 cals or whatever. So if I just had If I just— what are you looking at, Mr. 97?

Mason: Uh, no, we're all good. I was just checking the, uh, the camera.

Josh: Yeah, you happy? Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: Uh, the, uh, you had your 700 cows.

Josh: Yeah, well, that was it. And so I was losing weight, starving myself.

Tommy: It's calories in, calories out. You can lose weight eating cornettos once a day if you're a fat guy.

Josh: You could do— you can eat cornettos 3 times a day and probably still—

Tommy: yeah, yeah, depends. I mean, there will be diminishing returns at some point.

Josh: What do you mean?

Tommy: You get to a point where your body is adapted to the Cornetto diet and you need—

Josh: Cornetto is our 3-day deal. It's like a drumstick. Do you know drumsticks?

Dylan: I know what drumsticks are.

Tommy: Ice cream. Yes, yes, great.

Josh: All right, chicken.

Tommy: Yeah, anyway, chicken. Speaking of, let's get out of this psychedelic state and— Jesus, hold that! That is fucking heavy. We've got— oh, it's so heavy.

Josh: Finger lickin' good. So just a trademark, okay?

Tommy: In Australia, we have to give you a shout out because it was your idea on the KFC app, you can access a secret menu. And the way I—

Josh: I just mentioned this now.

Tommy: Yeah, but you always point it out too far and it loses focus, so there's no fucking point. Anyway, um, I saw this come up in my Facebook feed yesterday, and it was the biggest burger that KFC have. It's not on their main menu, it's on their secret menu.

Josh: Oh, this wrap's tiny. What's this for?

Tommy: Okay, so I got 4 things.

Dylan: This is—

Tommy: let me just— I want to pull out the menu. I want to pull out the order. I mean, I have spent a fair bit of time working out how to access this. How much did it cost you?

Dylan: It was cheap.

Tommy: It's like $30. It's junk. This shit is junk, right?

Josh: But there goes the KFC integration. I was hoping to send it as a little snippet for them.

Tommy: No, but I mean, if I was to be honest, I'm not listening to my body today. I don't feel like eating this one bit. But in the true spirit of Fat Friday, definitely got to do it.

Josh: Yeah, definitely got the weekend to recover.

Tommy: Yeah. Okay. So I'm going to go into this. So in, in their menu, I literally spent 10 minutes working out how to do this. So you, you hold it at the top and you swipe down and you get to hold it. You saw me doing Mr. 97. I'm like, yeah, basically it looks like you're fucking it up. And I was like pulling down, pulling down, pulling down, and all of a sudden, and all of a sudden, little Colonel pops up and he's like, mate, you want an order? You want to get the secret menu? And there's a secret menu bar and there's 4 things on the secret menu. One of them is the— what was it called, Dil?

Josh: The—

Tommy: I'm getting— fuck, I've got to do it again. See, look here. There we go. Secret menu popped up. All right. The Triple Stacker, which is the big fuck-off size burger that is 4,393 kilojoules.

Josh: Kilojoules. It's fine.

Tommy: The Nuggalot, which is a burger with nuggets inside.

Josh: Wasn't much of a nugget kid growing up.

Tommy: Or the Kentucky Slider. And the Kentucky Slider—

Josh: you know what I don't like about that? Small little fella sliders.

Tommy: Okay, sliders.

Josh: Sliders are an inferior product. Sliders are always small. Sliders are to be shared. Sliders are disliked.

Tommy: So anyway, they're the 3 menu items.

Josh: Don't you agree though? Sliders are always disappointing. Grilled. Go to Grilled, get 3 sliders. Fuck off.

Tommy: I've had some good sliders as finger food at parties, but you didn't order the sliders. You just take them what you can get, and they were nice. Anyway, so this thing is so heavy. This burger is huge. It is, um, geez. Oh geez. That is a solid burger. I got one for you, big baby. And can—

Josh: is there something, um, I was recording something for Specsavers again. Deal.

Dylan: Yeah, we— oh, he put in free chips.

Josh: So why?

Tommy: No, they— so they, they said to me, and this is the second time we've been at KFC where they don't have any more Zinger fillets, and he said, we've only got 2 Zinger fillets left. Those burgers are meant to have 2 Zinger fillets in each. 11 AM on a fucking Friday and they don't have Maybe there's a bunch of fatso's getting their, you know, secret menu on. Anyway, so what they did was put one Zinger Patty plus another chicken patty in those big triple stackers. Yeah, um, we still paid the same price, but I said to him— what do I say to him, Dale?

Dylan: You just said, yeah, throw in free chips. And the guy sort of looked at you questioning.

Tommy: Is that what I said? Free chips? He said, oh yeah, I got you.

Josh: And that's good.

Tommy: Hey, got free chips.

Josh: Can I have a chip now, please?

Tommy: Um, look at him salivate. No, I don't want you to have one.

Josh: It's finger licking good. I've never actually noticed that as a KFC line.

Tommy: Anyway, this is the, this is the other burger, which is the nug.

Josh: Why KFC chips always soggy?

Tommy: They were at the bottom of the pack. Okay guys, what do we want? I know, I know, um, JJ wants himself a triple stacker. Um, I kind of just want a bite of the triple stacker. I'm willing to— and I know Mr. 97 doesn't— I mean, he's always—

Josh: he's not a germaphobe.

Tommy: He's not— he's not a triple stacker kind of guy, but I think 3D Dill is.

Josh: I'll crush that.

Tommy: But what I want to ask is, can I have a bite of your triple stacker?

Dylan: Most definitely.

Tommy: To start with, I think you and I have a munch into—

Mason: whoa, it literally—

Tommy: it feels like a leg of ham. Like, it feels like the dense, denseness of a leg of ham. Mate, are you gonna do this or what?

Josh: Yes. Oh, do you wanna do a thumbnail?

Tommy: Mate, are you okay?

Mason: Why?

Josh: Be honest.

Tommy: We're on a podcast, dude. Did you know we're recording?

Josh: I know.

Tommy: Video show.

Josh: We're trying. I know, and I'm thinking we want to get better at headlines and thumbnails, so let's do a thumbnail.

Tommy: Okay, I'm just going to read you before this. We're being tripling out here. Get ready for not one, can I rate it, but three juicy zinger fillets. So we're, we're fucking—

Josh: can you do a voiceover voice? Because what the fuck am I doing?

Tommy: Am I not doing that?

Josh: Higher energy.

Tommy: Why do we need higher energy?

Josh: It's for Aspect Savers because I did a raid for them and had to do a higher energy.

Tommy: We be tripling out here. Get ready for not one, not two, but three juicy zinger fillets.

Josh: Carnival and more.

Tommy: That was very carnival. Smoky bacon and cheese with fiery chilli relish and supercharged sauce. If you dare, not for the faint-hearted here at KFC.

Josh: Can I try? No, please, just, just one life. And then I want to hear 3D Dill because he nearly got a VO job and he— oh, no, no, no, it's okay. Okay, we be tripling out here. Get ready for not one, not two, but three juicy Zinger fillets, smoky bacon and cheese with fiery chilli relish and supercharged sauce. If you dare, not for the fainted-hearted. Faint-hearted. The fainted-hearted. Faint-hearted. What do you think? Great. That was actually quite good, wasn't it? Not bad.

Tommy: We'll give it—

Josh: I want to hear 3D Deal.

Tommy: 3D Deal.

Dylan: All right, you want me to do high energy?

Tommy: No, just do what—

Josh: do whatever feels right for the radio.

Tommy: You do you, baby.

Dylan: Okay. The Triple Stacker. We be tripling out here. Get ready for not one, not two, but three exclamation point juicy zinger fillets, smoky bacon and cheese with fiery chilli relish and supercharged sauce. If you dare. Not for the faint-hearted.

Josh: Wowie, what a raid.

Tommy: Lock up your wives. So it's, as you were saying, the smoky bit. I smelt it. It's amazing.

Josh: Like, is that sauce? Smoky sauce?

Tommy: There's like a smoky sauce.

Josh: Oi, oi, oi! Sorry, I didn't take a bite.

Tommy: Literally, weren't we gonna do it together? Isn't he just like— we go into a supermarket and it's like you're like, oh guys, my North Star, and then all of a sudden you're in the lolly aisle.

Josh: I'm just saying what's on special.

Tommy: But Pete Shepherd, you and I went into the— and Pete and I were like, where the fuck's Josh? And then you're firing back at— you're like, it's just in the lolly aisle. No, well, you're—

Josh: because you're fucking trying to work out, oh, which kombucha, like I want to get the small ones, but the $3.90— you're doing like—

Tommy: I'm happy to be that guy.

Josh: I guess so.

Tommy: What I'm saying is that it's just like, it's instinct. It's almost like, yes, you're already there. It's amazing. Anyway, let's— it's very heavy. Count us down, 3D Deal, in your sexy voice before we take this big bite.

Dylan: Are you ready? Yes.

Josh: Here we go.

Dylan: 3, 2, 1.

Josh: Ah! Oh my God, you fucked up by giving it to Dale.

Tommy: Yeah, I could hardly get my mouth around it.

Josh: Yeah, I mean, you went bigger than I did. I think I did a smaller bite because I know I get to keep eating it.

Tommy: Mr. 97, can I have a bite of your nugget burger?

Josh: Yeah, are you gonna eat the nugget burger? Monty's.

Tommy: Oh, hang on. Okay. Wow, so it's just a big fillet and then there's a few nuggets in there. I mean, you don't have to eat this, baby. Here we go, hang on. I'm just gonna bite.

Dylan: If you don't want the nugget burger, I'll eat it.

Tommy: Okay. Mmm, I mean, that's smaller. The hard thing with burgers that are just patties is it just tastes like you're eating a patty.

Josh: Like, you've made such a mess on your face, by the way. It's really, um, it's not ideal. Yeah, have we got any— oh, I wouldn't have used paper to wipe your face like that, man.

Tommy: I use whatever I got.

Josh: It's not working though. Oh, it's like orange. It looks like you've got a Ranga beard. Definitely has that vibe. Wow.

Tommy: Anyway, so, um, pass that to Mason.

Josh: We've been working on the dailytalkshow.com website.

Tommy: Yeah, well done boys, that's a solid effort.

Josh: Uh, great job 3D Dylan, Mr. 97. Feeling very good about the website. Uh, blog posts, what are you thinking, 3D Dylan? What are you trying to work out?

Dylan: Well, I was just making intimate eye contact with Mason, Mr. 97, and I said, do you want the burger? Because I was gonna bring the burger over to him, and he said, no, you eat it.

Josh: Oh, that's good.

Tommy: That's nice. When you know, you know he will too.

Josh: Yeah, he definitely has.

Tommy: Dude, dude, you got shit the side of your face. Look like my grandfather. I used to dribble at the end of his innings. He, um, You know, he always had a hanky. I mean, he'd get his hanky out.

Josh: Hankies, disgusting.

Tommy: Hankies are from the '50s. Anyone born in the '50s uses hankies. I mean, there is a case though where a hanky is quite convenient if you're a chippy, if you're someone who works on the tools outdoors, it is convenient. But there is the fact that you've got to—

Josh: you can put one down, Trade Ed. He's currently got—

Tommy: jeez, please.

Josh: But can you do a photo for Instagram storeys of what he's doing right now?

Tommy: Yeah, it's pretty full-on shit all over his face. And yeah, he's looking good. Anyway, hankies. Yeah, I got into using a hanky because my dad also uses a hanky, so maybe it was about—

Josh: When do you wash them?

Tommy: End of day.

Josh: Oh, every day you wash the hanky?

Tommy: You can't. What are you gonna do?

Josh: It becomes like dry and you blow your nose on it.

Tommy: Of course.

Mason: In the washing machine or with water?

Dylan: Just—

Tommy: no, in the washing machine. Just whack it in every day.

Josh: Do you have to wash?

Tommy: What do you do after you've entertained yourself at night in bed? And then what do you do with those pants at the end of the week?

Mason: You put them in the wash.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, I know. Yeah, yeah, poor Denise.

Josh: Anyway.

Tommy: Oh wow, this is— look at this cute little slider.

Josh: When would you have, uh, Let's say the slider. I guess it's a slider. It's more of a wrap. It's more like a taco. Yeah, yeah, I'd be more interested if they called it a taco. When was the— was the last time that you had KFC that wasn't for content?

Tommy: Uh, with you three gronks when we're coming back from Leeton, we stopped in at Shepparton. We didn't, uh, an episode of The Big Strawberry.

Josh: Outside of that, like, when would you and Amy go and have KFC?

Tommy: No, we don't. We don't.

Josh: Yeah, I haven't in a very long time.

Tommy: You can get like a pretty cheap box from KFC that's like a $4 box or something, sort of thing, almost like that. This is a little meal Amy's got a few times.

Josh: Remember when popcorn chicken came out?

Tommy: I was obsessed with it. I loved it.

Josh: Do you remember '97?

Mason: It was great.

Josh: It was a big— it was a huge, huge thing.

Tommy: We're not— when I was young the Zinger first came out, and my brother and I— Mikey was really into it. And I remember he just got his licence and would drive up Nepean Highway to the closest KFC, which was in Ormond, and we'd get a Zinger burger. But it was, it was interesting because it was specifically around getting the Zinger burger. And it being spicy, and I mean, it's just, it's a lot of flavor. Yeah, but we are so spoiled now for food choices.

Josh: What do kids do? Like, what is the equivalent now?

Tommy: Like, going out for brunch and getting smashed avocado. That's what the fuck's up.

Josh: But is this— this is what I'm confused about, because Bree mentions every single time some young girls who are like 14 walk past, Bree always says, I can't believe how fashionable young people are now.

Tommy: Is that—

Josh: I don't think that our perception— what's going on?

Tommy: No, 100% it is the times. The clothes that people wear now weren't popular when we were growing up. Slippery pants were. I mean, I'm still wearing them, but there was a—

Josh: there was a difference between what adults would wear and what we would wear as kids. Whereas now what kids are wearing are the exact same things adults wear.

Tommy: Yeah. And then you've got people like my grandfather who wear— who wore slacks, shirts every day, well-groomed, old school. Think about grandparents nowadays, they'll be in fucking onesies, they'll be— they'll be in Adidas, you know. Like, think about like what, what is classified as cool, that kind of streetwear. Sure, like imagine a 95-year-old bloke wearing Itch Pig. He looks like he just got out of jail.

Josh: Yeah, it's a, it's a certain look.

Tommy: Well, it's cool, and I think young skaters and shit and young kids make it look cool. I just actually know there's definitely something to be said about old people wearing what young people would wear, and then the old people just looking cool as fuck. There's a woman I think, um, I remember she'd go to music festivals. She was like in her 80s or 90s and she was hip. And she looks—

Josh: I just remember it was like, is it tryhard at that point, or she's, she's just always been cool?

Tommy: Maybe she just knows, knows the times, right? And so what we're, what, what we're saying is there's a shift between what old people wear and what young people wear. And so then just, it's not tryhard because that's just what people wear. I mean, it's, yeah, it's an interesting one. I mean, people who wear— we had Harper on who, uh, his fashion is whatever the fuck he wants.

Josh: Yeah, he doesn't give a fuck.

Tommy: He doesn't give a fuck, doesn't think about it. He's worn the same thing since I've known him. I realised that, um, I messaged Craig Harper when I was 17, 12 years ago. That's a long time.

Josh: It had actually, um, gone over my head that you'd contacted him for that original job. Dude, I thought that the first time— I thought you went on a programme that he did or whatever, and so it started way earlier. How did they even get on your radar? Because it's not like you would have—

Tommy: The girl who cheated on me, what was her name?

Josh: Jessie?

Tommy: Rachel.

Josh: Rachel.

Tommy: And it was horrible. Here's the thing, guys, if you have a fucking partner that you know has cheated on you and I know you've read the messages that say, I miss you, I wish we were snuggling right now. She's cheating on you, he's cheating on you. Get the fuck out of there. Don't do yourself a disservice staying around.

Josh: And so what did you— what happened?

Tommy: I remember I, I found that exact message looking through a phone, because then you become this fucked wit who's— it would have been like insecure and looking through phones and trying to find shit.

Mason: How old were you?

Tommy: 18. Um, yeah, I was 18. Like, I remember she didn't even come to my 18th birthday because—

Josh: I mean, wait, this is before you broke up?

Tommy: So long ago. We were together and she didn't even come to my 18th birthday because her, uh, her friend was born the same day, had my, my birthday, the 1st of September. She went to her birthday instead, which I get it, but it's also, we were, we were dating and it was a bit It was a bit unusual.

Josh: Strange.

Tommy: And anyway, anyway, she was cheating on me and ended up breaking up. But her dad's new wife, so it wasn't her mum, stepmom or soon-to-be stepmom, I think they were getting married, um, was a PT. She was lovely and I was getting into it. And so like, I'm fucking networking with her. She had a studio at her house and she's like, I've got this.

Josh: So you're hanging out with the girlfriend's stepmom? Doing a bit of Pilates?

Tommy: No, nothing like that. I went around there once, I think, and then I, I've always thought about what I want, whether it be personal training, whether it be getting into video, and looked for the perfect, perfect moment to network. I got my first video job by going to a cafe, bumping into a guy who I went to school with who owned a business up in Sydney, and he said, what are you doing? What are your skills? I said, videos, blah blah blah. He said, right, I'll speak to some people at the office. I got a call that afternoon, got work, and it's kind of kickstarted my career. But same when I was young, 17, I got— I met them and I was like, I just saw it as an opportunity. Great, I'm doing this, loved it. And I just get curious, right? And for some reason, I got onto the fact that Harper's Gym was somewhere. I'd love to go down there. I'd love to. She's like, I, I know Craig. I've been working down there. I've never actually spoken to Craig about her since.

Josh: I wonder if Rachel's stepmom listens to Harper's podcast.

Tommy: Yeah, maybe.

Josh: You reckon she would remember you?

Tommy: Uh, I mean, maybe he's like, uh, that was a boyfriend at that time. I actually don't think they're together anymore.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: So anyway, um, she gave me his number. And I remember where I was. I was at my mate Christian's house up in Elsternwick, and I went out the front, heart beating. It's probably how Mason felt when he was going on his first date. I was about to call a guy named Craig Harper, uh, who, you know, he was, he was the man, first PT studio in Australia, calling him, cold call. And so I, and I can't even remember if she said to him that I would be calling.

Josh: And so I called, isn't it?

Tommy: It's so weird. And I just called and I just— I think I don't— I think I've had his number in my phone ever since because I haven't changed my number. And I called and I just remember saying, I basically said, oh, I'm looking for work, I'd love to work in your gym. And he said, no, you can come in, do some work experience. And I remember the— I remember going there, I remember walking from my house in Brighton because I quit school and, you know, mum was working or whatever, dad was working, and I had to walk. And I remember I had a cold, but I was like, I'm not not showing up. Like, I just gotta show up. And I, and I did, and I felt shitty, and I did it. But it's interesting how shit like that— Harps is in here and he's one of our biggest supporters now.

Josh: I mean, did your— what did your parents say when you decided not to go back to school?

Tommy: Oh, it was a long— it was a long time coming. Like, it was— I hadn't really been involved with school. I'd been checked out for a long time and more focused on my social life.

Josh: Did they ever give you an ultimatum, like, if you don't sort your shit out, you gotta find somewhere else to live?

Tommy: No, never.

Josh: That's good. A lot of parents— I feel like a lot of families are like that.

Tommy: I mean, it's one approach of many, right? It's, um, I'm not a drug addict.

Josh: You would— could you imagine with Bodhi what sort of, you know, what sort of parent are you going to be at that stage?

Tommy: Um, I've always, for some reason, I think if there's something tough going on, I'd like to pull him out of school and just go travelling with him. Like, imagine that he's just feeling shit and we're just like, dude, let's fucking go overseas, just me and him and mum. And whatever, you know, even if we've got another kid, him and I can just go and explore. I can't wait. I was thinking this week, I was like, I cannot wait to be able to just text him, go, do you want to have lunch? Like, I can't wait for that, you know.

Josh: It's a way when he's in school, you're going to be like, yeah, just like, what are you doing?

Tommy: Like, Saturday, do you want to— should we go fucking go for a bike ride and get lunch? Like, I just, for some reason, I don't know, it's so cool.

Josh: That would be, that would be fun.

Tommy: It's a, it's a best friend, you know, like it's, it's like another Bree.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Imagine having another Bree, actually, you know, that sort of close, like you love Bree unbelievably. It's like you got that same, got another one, and comfortableness around them.

Josh: What happens when you have a kid with your relationship with your partner?

Tommy: Yeah, it's hard. It's much, I think, um, When we were away, we listened— I listened to this John Legend song, and it was a— he's a, um, a pianist, singer, amazing. He's going out with Chrissy Teigen. He's—

Josh: I don't know who that is.

Tommy: Yeah, I don't know. I'm trying to give you some reference to who he is.

Josh: You know anyone else?

Mason: He sings All of Me. Yeah, you would have heard.

Tommy: Yeah, definitely.

Dylan: You would belt out something really sad, romantic.

Josh: Yeah. How does it go? Mr. 07?

Mason: Oh, I'm not giving you a demo.

Tommy: Anyway, we danced to him at our wedding.

Josh: I thought you meant on the weekend. No, I mean, fucking cute.

Tommy: It's one of those things. I think if you once you have a thing you do with your partner, ours for Amy and I, before we would go out in Sydney, would drink some ciders and put on some John Legend and just, it was lovely. And so we love listening to him, but in one of his songs um, I can't remember the words, but it was just about how relationships are hard, right? And when you have a kid, things change. It's not as easy to have sex, it's not as easy to connect because you've got this distraction, this thing you need to look after. And so it, it becomes more of a challenge. But with that, you know, this is why I, I can see why a lot of relationships marriages don't work when kids come into the picture. It's easy to just fucking focus your attention on the kid and away from your relationship. And so yeah, it's challenging.

Josh: Do you think there's a default that you need to feel like, you know, there's, there's that default that, oh, you should have kids and that maybe you're selfish if you don't have kids or you're missing out on something?

Tommy: I think you're missing out. I don't think you're selfish. I think we're all selfish either way, if we have kids or not, I just think about when I didn't have kids and I thought, well, fuck, where was all that time that I now focus on my child? Like doing this podcast 7 days a week in business. I've also got a kid that I can, that I've found time for, which is amazing that we all have time.

Josh: I think the interesting bit is that it is that, uh, that's framed in missing out. Because I think that like everyone's got a unique experience or they're all like everyone, like you might be a great dad or you might have, that might be an aspiration.

Tommy: Missing out sounds like it's negative. I don't think it has to be.

Josh: Missing out feels like it's a universal thing that you're missing out on.

Tommy: I don't think it's, but I don't think it has, doesn't have to have a negative connotation that's associated with it. The missing out could be Remember, all— it's any advice is always referenced with personal experience. So the affection, the love I have for Bodhi, I would love you to experience in that way because of what it's done for me.

Josh: But isn't it like from a— everyone seeks fulfilment in different ways? Yeah, and it might not be so, but that's the thing, like the default, the way that people— some people talk about parenting or having a kid It's using that one unique experience or this changed me or I'm, you know, better off because of X, Y, and Z. Similar to like a study.

Tommy: What do we have to go on though? And so if it's you love reading or you love making videos, oh dude, you got to try it. I know missing out is one way of phrasing it. It's probably not the right turn of phrase. It's amazing. It is life-changing, it is all these things. Or not. You might hate it. You might be a shit dad that's like— I'm not saying you are, but it might be the thing that's like, this is horrible. Yeah, like, I like being selfish.

Josh: But I wonder how many people feel the pressure to have a kid or have a family or to get married or to buy a house or to do whatever it is based on the universal narrative that you've got, you've got to do it.

Tommy: I mean, I heard someone say in regards to having children and purpose, and it was like, what's the point when you're old if you don't?

Josh: And I think that that's the—

Tommy: but what's the point? You like, you know, to have somebody to love, to have— and if you can't do it, it's— I get it, right?

Josh: That's why I think it comes from a privileged position.

Tommy: Of course it's privilege, but I don't think it's— I don't think you can— I don't think it means that you can't have that thought. And, you know, I think you can have— they're the same. Like, you can have a conversation about that. That doesn't mean that anyone who can't do that sucked in.

Josh: It's just like, what do you think, Mr. 97?

Mason: Yeah, I think it's interesting looking at it from like, uh, from an— from a negative standpoint in terms of like missing out on it, because I, I would probably say I'm more similar to Tommy in, in regards to wanting kids and being able to, yeah, experience all the things that Tommy's talking about. But it doesn't discount the fact that you don't find— and like, you won't actually— you might not find enjoyment in having those kids, or you might not experience the same emotions. So yeah, it's— I mean, it's completely dependent on upon the person.

Josh: Yeah, because I guess if, if we're all wired differently and some people are wired one way and some people are wired another way, it's like even like I'm wary of like when we talk to Mr. 97 about relationships, we're going on it based on our unique experience and it comes from a good place, which is like we see the value in having long-term relationships, but there's also a bunch of people who Craig Harper is a great example, someone who has a huge amount of fulfillment, has a lot of happiness. Um, and I don't— like, I don't know how productive or fair it is to, you know, feel like those people are missing out, or it's, um, Yeah, that there's a missed opportunity. Like, I don't think that the idea that everyone needs to become parents needs to be the thing.

Tommy: Yeah, I don't think— I think we'd have a massive problem if every single person that could reproduce reproduced on this earth.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: We've already got, you know, overpopulation in some areas. They're restricting it in places like China. It's like, you know, one child, or there's some crazy rule. 3D Deal, what do you— do you want kids?

Dylan: Yeah, I want kids. But at the same time, like, I want— like, from your perspective, Tommy, I would want to have that experience with my kids someday. But at the same time, to your point, Josh, I love my alone time, and I love just being able to do what I want when I want. I don't have to worry about taking care of this other thing in my life. So it's, it's a bit of a toss-up, but maybe it's figuring out what's best for you at that point in your life. Because like, I'm not gonna have kids now. I'm gonna have kids in 6, 7, 8, 9, maybe 10 years. And at that point, in further on down the road, it might be the right time for me.

Josh: I guess it comes down to what are your values what's important in life. Because I get like, there's a lot of parents who don't see their kids, that they might as well not have a kid at all. And so I guess that's, that's part of it as well. Like, being a parent probably has a lot of pain to it.

Tommy: Like, yeah, it's very hard. It's— I, I personally love the purpose responsibility gives me. Being responsible for a child, being responsible for someone else is an ultimate privilege and really gives me fulfillment.

Josh: So does that— the fulfilment that you get from having a kid, you're talking about it taking away the companionship that you have with your partner?

Tommy: Or saying it can— it can— it definitely does. And I'm I would say I can't speak for every relationship, but I think there is another layer of pressure it adds because there's a focus taken away from like, what are we doing on the weekend?

Dylan: Just us.

Tommy: Do you want to go away? Should we go to, you know, like we can't do that. And so what that creates is a lack of time to connect. So it just means that you need to work on it.

Josh: Yeah. So, because I wonder, because I think about what my future is and I think about companionship, I think about Bree and I think about travelling and doing things and having a home and being able to give love and give back and do things like having extended family or having people like Bodhi, kids in it like that aren't ours, but that we can have shared experiences with. I think it's, um, it's unique.

Tommy: I think you, you're paddling down, you're paddling upstream. Most people are going down in terms of your thinking around kids. Most you— I don't know many people. My brother actually says he doesn't want kids, but I don't know when he started saying that. You've been saying it forever.

Josh: Well, which I just wonder, I feel like there is, and maybe it's because everyone, every parent Every kid, every— like, we all have parents. And so, if we think about who we look up to or who we have to model off, we have our parents. And our parents, for the most part, are going to say being a parent's awesome or you should be a parent because that's a value that by default everyone has because everyone has a parent. And so, I guess that's part of it too, right? Which is like the people who didn't have kids, I would hear my parents talking about sad that they like, what are they going to do when they're older? Or, um, you know, when is so-and-so going to find a partner? You know, when are they going to get— have kids? Um, but it feels like I don't like— it feels like there's another option at the moment. It feels like it's either you have kids, uh, or you choose a path of less fulfillment.

Tommy: Or, um, I don't think it's like that. I see what you're saying though, that people the way it's painted can come across like that. But there's a lot of fuckwits in the world that—

Josh: But also, I think, but it's— I think it also sets the, um, the idea that, uh, by, by making that choice, that there's certain things within that character of the person that is not good for society in regards to like not commit— Like, I think that it's either you have kids which means you're external loving, like someone who's fulfilled and all that sort of thing, or you are independent, individually focused, not a community person. Whereas I feel like there is that other option, which is like, like Bree and I haven't ruled out adopting. We could adopt eventually, or we could do something else. But it's just like, I could— the show, yeah, because I hope you're very good. And could you imagine, we could go to Timmy go to wherever we're picking them up from.

Tommy: No, I mean, Amy would— Amy has a want to adopt, and it's interesting. I mean, that's a conversation where I'm on the other side, where I'm saying I want a child. Like, it becomes like this selfish thing where you're like, well, I want a baby that's mine.

Josh: Yeah, so where does that— what does that—

Tommy: which doesn't mean I don't have empathy, sympathy for kids that need to be adopted because there's amazing kids that need a home and need loving parents.

Josh: So what is it that you're then seeking?

Tommy: Well, I don't know. I just, I feel like 2 kids is what I think in my head of what I'd like based off having one. You think— for me, I was like, oh, 3 would be great, but then you realise one's fucking hard and you were just thinking about what you came from, 3 kids. And then I think about— I don't know. See, this is the thing, right? Another arm of this conversation is, are you selfish? Is it a selfish choice to want your own child, your own blood, your own mini-me? Is it this fucking narcissistic thing? I don't know. Is it? Or is it just—

Josh: I think it's interesting taking your bloodline along.

Tommy: I don't know. I don't know what the answer is, but I I feel like I— and it's a conversation Amy and I've had, and it's not an easy conversation if she wants to adopt and I want to have—

Josh: How much of it is practical? How much is it like, when I'm 70, there's going to be— I'm going to have kids who can come to the beach house and they're going to have kids. Like, how much are you trying to—

Tommy: I've never thought that far. I've never thought like that. I've never thought I mean, I didn't think we were going to have a baby. I mean, I knew what I was doing when we made him, but you— I've never been in that, like, ah, I've always like, Mr. Nice Guy, I've never gone, yeah, I can't wait to have a kid, like it's happening in this date and we're planning. It just happened and I'm like, this is great, but you've another challenge.

Josh: But you've— I think that in regards to— I reckon you're very engaged as a dad. Compared to a lot of people. Like, it is a priority. You're thinking about what needs to be done. There's a lot of, like, I think about the old school thing, which is like, yeah, like my dad was at work a lot, so it's like he's working, uh, mum's, you know, taking us to school, dropping off, all that sort of thing. But it feels like there's more. Like, I was, uh, calling Blaz this morning. It's like, I'm dropping off, uh, you know, the kids or whatever, It's like my dad wasn't real, like he was already, he was left by 6.

Tommy: And Dad, yeah, Dad was working the same too. Loving. My dad was really loving, is really loving, if not more of a softie than he's ever been. Yeah, since us having grandkids and seeing a different— but I feel regret, I feel guilt working, like being in late, not being able to pick him up. Like, I feel those things because I actually want to spend time with him.

Josh: What do you think about the pressure of parents having to have a career, doing well within their work, and then also having kids and being a great parent?

Tommy: It is a complex equation. One of the women at daycare inappropriately said to Amy, because we picked him up, picked up Bodhi late um, why, uh, because he's been— he was, he was acting up, he pushed the baby over. He's a kid, he's fucking just a bit out there. He's not—

Josh: he was a baby being a fucking idiot, probably.

Tommy: Yeah, absolutely. That's what I— that's what Buddy told me. But she said, oh, in, in reference to his behavior, is this why you leave? Is this why you drop him off early and pick him up late? It was something along those lines, which is super fucking triggering and inappropriate for somebody who we're paying money. Like, we— the problem is, I think it's highly emotional, and her job is very hard and emotionally taxing because I know what it's like being around a kid for, you know, a couple of hours before they go to sleep, let alone 30 kids that are running around. No, there's no time between, you know. I can get how it could just be emotionally draining because other times she's amazing and she loves Bodhi, this woman. And did you bring it up with her? I wasn't in the conversation. It's literally happened twice where she said something like this and I haven't been there, so I don't know if it's just the time she's saying it to Amy. I don't know, I don't know if she— maybe she'd say it to me if I was there in the times that he'd been—

Josh: it seems hard to fight a fight that when you're not, because there's context, there's tone.

Tommy: Exactly. Who was that, you know, pushed it, pushed the kid over in front of their parents and they were very angry. Are they just telling us firmly because the parent complained? I don't know. My point being is there are things coming from every angle that rattle you as a parent and can trigger you to feel guilt or shame or— which is, I think, the signals you get as someone who doesn't want kids is when someone says it's amazing, it's this, it's that. It's like, well, if you say that, it surely means the opposite. That it means that I'm doing everything.

Josh: No, but I think that, like you said, you're saying, well, we're saying missing out.

Tommy: I'm just saying, I'm saying what people might say. Oh, you're missing out. It's the best. Or it's— So you're saying my situation is the worst. I think the—

Josh: No, no, it's not saying that, but I think it's the language then becomes— It feels like it's judgmental. Or maybe when you are walking a different path. So for instance, if you see yourself as gender fluid or gender neutral, people using pronouns are more likely to upset you or trigger you based on not being able to understand or empathise or identify with what those people are saying. And so though, even though we might say he and she and just use it, all that sort of thing, for someone who doesn't identify that does have some sort of feeling of like, ah, based on the language that we're talking, I don't fit within this, this conversation. Or based on this conversation, I am not equal.

Tommy: Or, you know, yeah, I mean, if you feel left out, you feel— I mean, you can't— Yeah, so that's just how someone's feeling.

Josh: But it's also like, it's the way society is set up. It's like there's a lot of that unconscious stuff that's constantly happening and we don't even consider it.

Tommy: Um, well, we're categorizing, right? Male, female, simple. Look at Bodhi, long hair, little girl, obviously. Yeah, he's got a little dickie. Yeah, so does Daddy. But if, if he doesn't want that when he's older, so be it. Whatever he feels like.

Josh: The adopting stuff is interesting.

Tommy: It's, it's tough. And I, and I think—

Josh: so what is the, what is the actual thought process? Like, go from—

Tommy: I know how hard it is. And I don't want to not give a kid who's—

Josh: Having a kid's hard. Giving birth is hard.

Tommy: Giving a kid, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is the other thing. If Amy said, I'm done, I'm not fucking doing that shit again.

Josh: I'm not going to argue with that.

Tommy: That's one of the hardest things she's ever done.

Josh: Do you reckon she'd feel the pressure if she, if you say, I want—

Tommy: But I'm not labouring on about, she wants to have another kid. We get to that point where you forget about how hard it was and then you're like, I reckon I could probably go again.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And so what is the, um, like I said, I mean, the thing is I'm not anti-adoption. I think it's amazing if you can adopt. It's just saying this is the hard thing, right, where you can be severely judged based on just the fact that I want to have a baby with my wife like we've had Bodhi, if we can. And if not, then maybe I would think of something else.

Josh: But I guess if it's coming from If it was— if you both had the universal value that we want to have a kid and we want it to be ours, it's an easy— it's a little non-issue. But the fact that one person in the partnership is bringing up the adoption thing does bring up the question of like, okay, why, why can't we? What is the actual practical— if you were to think about it, because I haven't looked into it.

Tommy: Well, no, what is it practically? I don't know anything when it comes to the practical nature of it. Ryan John picked up when he was 6 weeks old.

Dylan: Yeah.

Tommy: There he is, born. He's now got a loving mum and dad. You know, like, it's amazing, right?

Josh: I wonder if Ryan John would be likely to adopt.

Tommy: I'm sure he has a, you know, I'm sure he has a strong feeling towards that being something that he would do. Like, as if you wouldn't, right? I know a guy who was adopted No, maybe he wasn't adopted. He, he, the mother was raped and he was the baby from that.

Dylan: Yeah.

Tommy: And he's, he's a great guy. Like, he's amazing. It's what a fucking thing to feel. What an existence to think out where it started. And, you know, that's, it's fucking mind-blowing. And so, yeah, I've got nothing against adoption. I think it's great.

Josh: Why is it not for you?

Tommy: I don't know. I can't articulate it. What have I thought before? I've thought, I don't know. So we're not talking like, this is not like we've said, great, we want to adopt a kid at 6 weeks. It's not been like that. If I want, so if I was to build a case, I would like to adopt at a young, young, young age so that they can integrate into the family.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: I feel like at the moment we're definitely not set up to take on a kid that's 3, 4 years old. If that's the— that's how it happens. I don't even know how it is. I wouldn't want to put a kid through that at that age.

Josh: So if you— if it was just the 6— if it was pick him up at 6 weeks.

Tommy: Yeah, I don't, I don't know if I feel— and maybe I could be completely wrong, but the connection, the emotional connection, I don't know. It's something you'd have to build. There is definitely something chemically that goes on with your— with a child. Once, you know, for a woman. Yeah, definitely for a woman as the baby comes out and then you're, you know, the baby latches on and some women don't experience it, some others do. There's like, what is it? There's a chemical that's released that bonds you with your child, right? Which is at birth. Not everybody has this release. Sometimes they can give you the chemical, the thing that will help release it. As the baby's latching on and connecting, right? And I know the feeling I had with my child, Bodhi, after 9 months of talking with my wife, feeling her in the tummy, like that whole process of like the unknown. And yeah, I don't know, I don't know, because this is the thing, you can feel selfish for thinking like this.

Josh: I mean, what, what's the goal of having a kid?

Tommy: I don't know if there's a goal. I don't— I'm not going—

Josh: Why do you do it? Like, what's the, what's the value that you're trying to I don't know, here too, when it's a—

Tommy: when it's an accident.

Josh: I mean, it wasn't— I mean, for you, yeah, but we were never like— his intentions—

Tommy: we're never doing this though, dude. The guy that knocks up a girl at 18, what's his goal? His goal was single-focused in that moment for one minute.

Josh: Yeah, but I think that there's a—

Tommy: but I don't think— I don't definitely don't think about What's the goal here? It has never crossed my mind. What's the goal here?

Josh: Well, why? Like, isn't a question why a good question to ask? I don't know. Why do we ask why when we're buying a house or when we're going to school or when we're doing— Like, if you think about it, we ask why about all these things.

Tommy: Yeah, because what's the cost? The cost is—

Josh: But the cost is huge. Like bringing someone into the world.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: There's a huge cost to—

Tommy: But we're not talking about something that no one does. We're talking about something that is a part of the human experience for a lot of people.

Josh: But that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. So you're—

Tommy: so because it's a universal thing, I think because it's so universal, it's not something I'm going through going, what's the goal here? It's like, it's not uncharted for, you know, the human existence. It's, it's not out of the norm if you're looking at, you know, like we're all, we're all, we've all been children. We've all come from that place. Someone's sacrificed for us. And so I do see it. And so retrospectively, I think I didn't have a goal, but then you look at what, what it does to you as a human and what you need to give up, what your focus shifts, what you— you know, it's like, I think I've seen young mothers that have been, that have fallen pregnant at a young age, super mature, and it's done something. And so it's done something to them where it's like it's given them an understanding of this life we're living that has come from that. And so it's not to say that it's not— if you don't, if you've had— if you haven't had that, ah, whatever, it's just, it is.

Josh: And so it's a lifestyle decision.

Tommy: Still, mate, if it's a lifestyle decision, wouldn't you think your lifestyle decision is geared around creating a great lifestyle?

Dylan: Like a—

Josh: but isn't that a great life? But isn't—

Tommy: no, no, but I'm saying like, but I think like, what's a lifestyle decision though? What—

Josh: well, lifestyle decision is, you know, I want to be able to spend Christmas with the family.

Tommy: I don't know, I don't think most people look at it like this. I don't think most people look at it going, goal So why do people do it? I think people fall pregnant. People have a soft—

Josh: like, we've got two young dudes here and they've both said, I can imagine myself having a kid. I mean, what is it?

Tommy: What are the core human traits? Like love, like the emotions that you feel.

Josh: It's—

Tommy: it it stimulates all of those, and it is highly rewarding. And I think that's why we, we see— I don't know, people have just an, like, an affection for— and a soft spot, like a caring and loving. And maybe some people who haven't experienced this in their life, they didn't have a loving upbringing that could be a goal. Maybe I see that as something else, like I want to, I want to do what wasn't done for me. I could see that, but I've never articulated like that. I came from a very loving environment, family, very blessed that that was the case for me. And, you know, lots of opportunities as a kid. And I, yeah, I don't—

Dylan: I—

Tommy: this is— I mean, we're talking, trying to find answers to fucking complex shit because—

Josh: but it's a, but it's a question.

Tommy: I think it's probably why you don't have kids because you ask these questions, because I don't think you would have kids Yeah, I don't think you'd have—

Josh: have you guys asked these questions for yourself?

Dylan: No, only because I've never been in a situation where it's been a possibility. Like, I've never been in a relationship where the end goal was to get married and have kids per se, or the end goal was to get married and create a life for ourselves. And say in the future, if getting married is the end goal and then creating a life for ourselves and kids happen— kids happen to be a part of that lifestyle, then I'm okay with that. But say in the situation that I marry a girl that can't have kids, or like we can't have— it just doesn't work. That's not in my— like, the way I see it, it's not a bad thing. It's, it's just what, what life gives you, really.

Josh: What do you think, Mr. 97?

Mason: Yeah, it's— I think, I think there's, there's probably— I mean, for me, and it sounds like it from Tommy as well, and I guess that's what he was trying to articulate, but it's like there's sort of an innate desire in a lot of people to crave that actual connection and that relationship with a kid, to actually care and love for someone. And I think I guess the way that I think about is less about a goal, like, oh, I can't wait to spend Christmas, but it's just like looking— like me looking at Tommy and like the videos of Bodhi and him just like laughing or playing together. It's that sort of connection that you can't really explain that you sort of crave.

Josh: Do you think that you crave that connection more than you do a life partner or a companion?

Mason: Uh, yeah, maybe at the moment, yeah. I think, I think for me it's dependent upon who I surround myself with. So I see like Tommy with Bodhi, and that's something that I want. Um, yeah, I think, I think at the moment, if I had to think of it like that, then yeah, that would be something that I'm more looking forward to.

Tommy: But I think it's hard to have a goal, something you don't know. I don't— you don't know what you're doing, and I didn't know what it would do, and I didn't know how it would make me feel. If I retrospectively look back and I was to think, okay, but you can— if I was to know what I know now back then before I had a kid, maybe I would have thought the goal, the goal is to have a kid because I want those feelings. I never put— I never— that was never the step.

Josh: How much of it is seeking a family dynamic versus an individual relationship with your kids?

Tommy: Uh, I think it's great. Like, I love— I think about the fond memories of my childhood, of family holidays and mum and dad, and seeing my mum and dad love each other so much, and, and my brothers, and just this family environment. And I think maybe you want to replicate it. I think so. That's probably something a lot of people do. They say well, I had that great loving environment. I'd love to replicate that because I knew what it felt like.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: I feel like Amy and I, you know, there's moments I feel like I'm a kid again having Amy and Bodhi coming home, you know, wanting to be at home, like feeling the warmth of my house.

Josh: I did feel like a kid the other day when Trev Long did a post about all the kids were out and they were watching TV and they were, because it was school holidays, they all had their Sleeping bags.

Tommy: I think we want to— a lot of us want to teach. A lot of us, like, there's so much fulfilment in teaching. I got it when I was PTing. Like, I had a lot of fulfilment helping others become better and learn. And I know you love that, and it's definitely a reward of being a parent. You look at yourself, and I think about Bodhi's just started bike riding. Like, he had the first over the weekend. He just He's big enough now for his little pedal-less bike where he can— and we put him down the hill and he knows how to balance. And I'm just— it's like, fuck, this is amazing. I'm thinking about riding the Roubaix next year, Melbourne Race. Like, I can't wait to bike ride with him. And it's— I don't know, it's this weird thing where you've got an— and at this moment I have a very uncomplicated relationship with somebody who's my best friend.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And that's fucking amazing. And if you don't have that, okay, you just don't have that. You know, maybe you find that in your, your wife, your partner, boyfriend, girlfriend, whatever, you know. And so I don't know, I think you get to decide.

Josh: How do people know whether they're making the right decision?

Tommy: When's the right time to have a baby? I think the answer is there's no fucking right time. It stretches you Regardless, you won't have enough money. You don't have enough money today. When you earn more money, you won't have enough money then.

Josh: Because I've heard that a lot. People say it's never a right time to have a kid. I don't think it is, which I agree with. But then there's people that just shouldn't have a kid, or based on, you know, their thoughts or what they want from life. And so that's—

Tommy: kids can be life-saving. I'm not saying that's why you should do it, to try and save your life, but I'm sure the, the reason people have turned their life upside down is because of turning it around, having a— turning upside down, going the other way, down to 180, going back upside down.

Josh: When I think of upside down, I think a disaster.

Tommy: Upside down, turn upside down. Here's my life, I'm going to switch it upside down. I was up the wrong way. Okay, so you're up the wrong way, now you're back up there.

Josh: Sure.

Tommy: I think it's a— you can use that.

Josh: Upside down. And have you ever thought about that? Up side upside down. Yes, I've never thought about it.

Tommy: What side are you on?

Josh: Up side. The upside is down. Is that what it's saying?

Mason: Basically, up the outside is facing down.

Josh: Can you Google it, please? Upside down.

Tommy: But before we go and then Fat Fridays, let's hope fucking Bodhi doesn't ask these cheesy questions.

Josh: He definitely will. Uh, phrase of the week. Upside down. Is that what we'll call it?

Tommy: It's just a word, upside down.

Josh: But what does that mean?

Tommy: What is the meaning of upside down?

Mason: With the upper part where the lower part should be. In or into an inverted position.

Josh: Okay. Read the first bit again.

Tommy: Does— Here's a question. Is to use that phrase Is gravity relevant? Because then, well, you know what I mean? Like, if there's no gravity, what the fuck is up? What is down?

Josh: Go read it one more time, slowly.

Dylan: Yeah.

Mason: With the upper part where the lower part should be.

Josh: Wait, slow, stop for a sec. Upper part where the lower part should be. Should be. Okay, so if the roof was flipped onto the floor, that's upside down.

Tommy: But is it relevant to gravity? Because then there wouldn't be—

Josh: Actually, it makes a lot more sense. So, it's only ever referring to the up bit being down, not downside up.

Tommy: Well, that would be downside up.

Josh: Which a bit is interesting, isn't it? Anyway.

Tommy: Flipping it upside down.

Josh: Upside down.

Mason: Hang on, what is the opposite of upside down?

Tommy: Downside up, right side up, right side up.

Mason: What is the—

Josh: what is the terminology, you know what I mean?

Tommy: Listen, we just did a couple of gronks trying to make it in the world, trying to work it out. I'm just over here trying to breed a bunch of gronks.

Josh: Gronk Squad. It's a Daily Talk Show. If you've listened this far, please screen grab it, share it on Instagram stories, tag up the Daily Talk Show, even Josh Jansen, Tommy Jackett. And what's your— what, you haven't done 3D Dill yet?

Dylan: No, but Dylan_Torreville, 2 Rs, 2 Ls, and Mr.

Josh: 97's on Instagram as well. Otherwise, Weekend Banter is tomorrow and Sunday. And go to thedailytalkshow.com and consume all the content there. And you can even send us emails, you can get fucking stickers, you can sign up to Gronk Squad.

Tommy: You can cheque how many people are on the website right now.

Josh: No, we've got real sticky feet. I don't know if you guys know, my face is disgusting, mate.

Tommy: I don't recommend that, that KFC. I mean, you ate the whole thing, it's free to deal. Have you finished that?

Dylan: No, I finished that before Josh finished his.

Josh: Did you really? Yeah, mate.

Tommy: We need to get him eating against Hulk Smash Food. I mean, you'll lose, but yeah, he's confident.

Josh: To Daily Talk Show, we'll see you on the weekend, guys, for Weekend Banter.

Tommy: See you guys.