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It's the daily Talk Show Episode 353. The shelf is open. What is happening? It is. What time is it? It's five minutes to 10. I'm still getting used to my analog clock

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yet. I'm feeling the pump because I'm going to be on scooter, Derek's podcast,

and that's true. He would I know

he does every time I say scooter. Derek. I know he doesn't like it. That's okay.

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It's not his choice. Yeah. Well, he doesn't. I think that a little bit of pushback from someone's nickname is fine. Yeah, I mean,

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I'll tell you who doesn't give push back to the nickname. Big take

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it a lot of these nickname

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green tea. You just only

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I'm waiting for big data changes Instagram handle. Well, we

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got three day daily before we get moved to Australia had three day deal the daily talk show. Yeah,

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we really appreciate that. You ever think about putting it as your Instagram handle?

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I would but then I would lose all the other pictures that I was tagged in as my so that's that's why I haven't changed it yet.

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Unless you would consider rideshare I mean, it's more likely to happen then you're getting a the daily talk show today.

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Yeah, for sure. Yeah,

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it's three day delay even available on Instagram. He

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probably

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three day deal got some good message from his mate over in Canada.

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So I got a message from one of my friends Haley that said Dylan please don't get a daily talk show tattoo with the crying laughing emoji face and a hard emoji shit. Get a kangaroo or a palm tree? Or a little son or something? I did fucking Terrible.

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Terrible idea. Why don't you just flat out local aka tryhard the other they don't know what it means. Yeah. t dt is the daily talk show. I don't know it could be a homage to your grandfather or

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send us an email. Hi, the daily talk show.com Do you have a hashtag as a tattoo? Or do you know anyone that has a hashtag like just the hash tag, and then it's actually written back and think that hashtags was something that we used to do, but it's not really

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all that so relevant before Twitter? Was that the first case for them? hashtags or Instagram?

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Eric and Twitter are can Twitter right?

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I pioneered it, I think

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will be Bernard wrote in and he he reckons a deal should get an Ozzy tribal tattoo. What is that?

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Yeah, I've seen somebody said it became

a tribal,

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tribal, maybe its Aboriginal or whatever. Yes, a lot of misappropriation or whatever. Isn't

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that then? I mean, Australia is the country. I don't know if it's, maybe it's just because he's from overseas. So maybe that's what he's mania. Okay. I gotcha. It's like,

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it's a style. It's a style of tattoo.

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Or he thinks that people that just got tribal tattoos. were mostly Bogan and

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we don't really have the interesting thing is like in New Zealand, there's like a big sort of tribal memory. Yeah. And so would it be is it frowned upon? I mean, Mr. 97, you moved from New Zealand to Australia when you were what seven or nine? Yeah. 55667 basically. Like, I wonder is it there's something a little bit naff just a little bit of someone getting a Japanese written. Tedder if you if you don't speak Japanese, or if you can't understand

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I mean, it was that was being so we're talking about the types of talent so there's been the Japanese stamp at the bottom of the back. Then you've got the tribal tattoos which are, I don't know where they come from. Some of the wrestlers had them back in the day. But yeah, you're right. Like,

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there was a there was a thing where it's, it's not. It's only Bogan. If you don't know the cultural, like, it feels like if you're going to get something you need to understand it. It's a little bit like me wearing a New York Yankees hat.

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Now, I think it's called cultural appropriation, as opposed to just tourists. Now I fucked it up and say cultural appropriation last

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time and then you told appropriation you didn't do that a bit. I'm curious what I mean. What does it actually mean? appropriation?

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Yeah, that's what you said. Yeah. I said the abid cultural appropriation. I'm just a Bogan Australian that said it drops like

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I don't know whether I'm not saying that. I know that

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what you're saying like so for instance, there's like, Mexican tattoos. The Day of the Dead. I think it's called Yeah,

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with his Yeah, so it's like fest is at the big festival. The festival. Yeah,

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Mexico.

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Okay. So here you go. cultural appropriation said not cultural appropriation

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cultural appropriation. I'm a Bogan Australian. That's that. Would you have spelled with an eye though? would have what? What How else do you spell it cultural? And then appropriation? I

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think you would have spelled CH, AE, l t. u. p. r. Oh, yeah. That's why I'm fresh in my cultural. The thing is, I am I'm, I don't know what it means. So we're learning culture. This is where we made Ruth McCowan because she would be fucking schooling Sonic cultural appropriation, but here it is. The unacknowledged or inappropriate adoption of the customs practices, ideas, etc. of one people or society by members of another, and typically more dominant people or society.

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Yeah. So it's like saying the privileged using the beautiful Indian Head, headwear of the Native Americans. There's

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a area

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you haven't fucking let me finish using it as some kind of, you know, outfit for a fancy dress party. And so it's some taking something from a culture like it's, it's, it's going so far as you can dress up as a Mexican anymore. Like he can't wear a sombrero anymore. You can wear it, you can wear some, then you fucking way off, because you haven't looked online and seeing the Mexican Cantina that you can't wear a Bruce Lee outfit from when he used you know, in these fields where he's doing the one inch punch, and it's like, he's got this. It's like a yellow.

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But where are you getting this? When you say you can't,

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you can't as in look online, there's a lot of noise being made by people who, you know, getting very upset about this stuff. But I don't know exactly where it's coming from. If If, if someone from that culture said directly to me,

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says infancy it says an unacknowledged or inappropriate adoption. Like, yeah, I guess there's there is the we can interpret things how we want to I think there's a scale. I think that the idea of you can't do anything anymore. You can't do this. You can't do that. Like I think there is can you dress Can you dress up as the village people? And I,

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I mean, that was, that was my costume. And I was a stripper? Yeah. Well, I don't know. I don't think you could anymore. I don't think it would be scene is acceptable in most, most of culture. Right now.

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What do you think?

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Ready? No. It's it's tough just because if you're doing it in a respectful way, like that there was always taking my clothes off while wearing that that may be not but like know, there was a big thing at Coachella A few years ago, where some girl had on like a Native American headdress. Yeah. With the tribal flowers and everything. And it caused a whole bunch of backlash from that community saying, it's like, our our culture and our religion is not your Coachella outfit.

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Yeah. Another thing. Well, I think that's the my point with the tribal thing. I think anything that is if you are doing anything tribal, in the context that we're in, yeah, it's probably not appropriate. Yeah.

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But then that's my point to the Mexican. The Day of the Dead. A lot of people have. No, not that the Day of the Dead. I'll show you. You know what it is? Yeah. So it's like the woman's face. And it's like, yeah, there's like a stitching on one of the eyes. It looks fucking cool. It's amazing. Like, and so there's been I know, a bunch of guys have got those tattoos.

So at what point does it become

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like? That's why the daily talk show today. We so say, I think maybe we opened for. I'm happy for misappropriation of the daily talk show.

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You'll go there.

It will, it will never it will never get that far if we could get viral unless we create some huge cult out minutes, just like

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the talking about the cold. If you want to get the patch. The final opportunity is tomorrow. Is that is that right? Mr. Nice seven. Yes.

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Yeah, the 20 cutoff is tomorrow, Friday. This is the second last chance you selling it like it's Today's the cut off.

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Sorry. So thank you, Ruth. Thank you, Helen, for your for your reviews, as well.

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So that's where the problem lies in this case, country. Here we go. debt. I had an experience last night speaking with the lovely people from latitude finance.

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So we're trying to get some Apple computers. Yeah.

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And so what's what's the deal? Well, I mean, it's never been easy. Like I'd literally filled out a form online next minute, you've got $6,000 of credit card,

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which you gotta pay. So if your pay slips and all that sort of thing. Yeah.

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And also, I put in the wrong date of birth. So I was a 90 year old guy. And they still gave that forgot to mention that I have a car that I make repayments on

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the light, you end up fixing that. Oh, no.

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He's ridiculous. This is what I called right? Because I'm like, the woman from Apple called me and said, Yep, it's all gone through Bow Bow. Let me just confirm a few details. Ah, thought us sounded younger, thought you didn't sound old. Because I had 1928. And instead of 1988 is my birthday. And she's like, are you can change that about, so I called up to change it. It is quicker for me to cancel that card and reapply I wouldn't then change my my database. So what you have to do is send in proof via fucking physical mail, or a fax machine who I mean nine year old. No problem, but then it takes 10 days for it to apply after that. I was like, this does not make sense.

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But the thing is, you will then get like from a credit score point of view, it'll count is another huge. Why? Because every single time you apply for something that requires credit, yeah. It actually affects your

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listeners, right? It's not a payment default. They give me it? Yeah, this is the thing. They did you do that? No, No, I didn't. I just I actually had a conversation with the fourth person because I kept on getting sent around. I was like, can you please put me on to someone, you enjoy nature. And they said, no problem. And then I get sent back to the first department that had nothing to do it was the worst customer service until this lovely guy I spoke to. And I was like, so you're telling me I can just

continue with my birthday being 1928? And he's like, yeah,

just do that. I think.

I think that's it. Like you said, I'm a 90 year old buck.

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Apple,

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I've had a job for eight months with this company. And they've given me a bunch of cash. Like, I wonder if they looking at that and going as an audio guy. He's done pretty soon. I'm thinking he's money somehow. I feel like they

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my thought was that they would use the date of birth, they would use your driver's license and the address and I'd make sure it all matches up. Wouldn't you have thought that was

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think the whole thing? Because I'm like, they're like, I will just need to confirm your identity via your driver's license. I was like, shouldn't that fucking be done before you give me the six grand? So I got the six grand there's nothing about that bills. I just had this feeling of like, Fuck, you see why there's a problem with debt in this country? To see why so many people can easily just walk out and get a fucking car.

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Yeah. And the

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easy Have you get a credit card yourself deal through the deal? Yeah, I do. What's the process in Canada?

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Pretty, pretty similar to here

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is a much noise being made about the issue that the country has with giving money that anybody

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has. And it's, it's about the same, it's a little harder to get money in Canada. Like if you're if you want to get like I haven't had to do it a whole lot. But when I was applying for college in school, I got Oh, snap loans, which is basically the government gives you a loan to help pay for school. Yeah. And that was one of the longest processes. It was like a three and a half hour process just on the computer, just going through filling out a whole whack ton of stuff. And but they were legitimate with matching your driver's license matching any form of ID that you have. So

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that's what I thought I'm sure there's just some sort of oversight with this specific one. But the education debt is an interesting one because people spend like Matty Avella talking about $91,000 97, but it was 97 be spent 10 grand on a car. Sorry, it was about 80 something more, because

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it was it was like 10,000 below cuz he failed to subjects or something. Oh, yeah, I'm off or something like that. Yeah.

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But I mean, I was I mean, that's what I love about Dave our he shares all of the bits and pieces, which you can do now the sort of out of it and saying the other side is

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it Hickstead. It's like a excellent Amy's got some Hickstead from years and years ago that's slowly being paid off. And it wasn't being paid off. For ages. For some reason. She had to chase it up and work it out and was about based around how much government payment she was getting. For the baby and how much she was earning. It's complicated, but like think about when you put your head in the sand about this shit. And you just like whatever I've got this is up here. You see why barefoot banging on so much about this?

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Yeah, I'm started waking up a different way.

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What otherwise it all Okay, so this, I mean, the only wise

an alarm. So some kind of alarm or naturally. Yeah. So what's what were you

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thinking about it, there's a device,

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there's an alarm, you turned it off, and then the sun wakes you up.

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So I have an alarm that has the sun built into it. And it lights up our room

for like, 10 minutes before I wake up and it wakes me up before the alarm goes off. Okay.

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And so what time is this? Because it's so fucking dark. What are you getting up at nine? No, but that's what

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the sun isn't in the fucking alarm. The sun is alive.

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When I wake up at like, 630 it's pitch black. When I take

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lights work, you can put that's the point of it. It's fucking dark outside. So I use an alarm clock that has a light watch, which I said was the sun.

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If you think that he was talking about what are the outside light,

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I knew what he was talking about, because I went with him to deal and I went to JV high five,

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trying to find her

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before but I just

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sorry, it sounded like you were just saying you had the window like the blinds up and the light came out, which woke you up a little bit. And then the alarm went off? Which is exactly what you're saying. But you're using you What are you using your phone or a physical Philips to a product? That is to get a loan for this one? Definitely. It's $50.

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Well, that's pretty good. 5050 bucks, really, it was cheap. But the thing is, I found out why it was cheap in some ways. Because the way that it works is that paid shipping has one of these is telling me about it's like I mean, I got a cheap one. It just be it doesn't. And so it's an alarm or whatever. But friends who have one of these, what happens is the light brightens up, over like the course of 10 minutes or whatever. And so I woke up two minutes before my alarm went off. Right. And which was five that I'd set it for 530 Yeah, I got up at 528 amazing, humble brag early, early riser. And so the thing that was missing though, was it was as far as I was aware was meant to make a bird sound is meant to be birds and I sold that into Bry where it's like our chirps. Anyway, so I like get it from Amazon and I set it all up. Yeah. And then that turns out there was the hundred dollar one and so I got the $50 one which is beeps and so when when I set it all up, I showed you how it all worked. I was just trying to I was burying the Lord didn't want to mention it. Are you new at this point? Well, yeah, New York. doesn't do much anyway. doesn't manage like, so I show Bruce like, oh, wow, the lights awesome. Can you just switch it to the bird sound though, because I can't stand that vaping

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you're gonna have to send this back.

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Oh, so now I'm not sending a fuckin Amazon us. You can say

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that. It's good.

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The thing is, my point was, the idea is the light. It's really cool how it works. And so if you can't if you're not awake by the time the light is bright, then you probably the beep is okay.

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Yeah, I like the sound of this. I've been thinking about because how fucking alarm wakes up Bodi BB BB, BB, BB.

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Yeah, just have fun. The light would be perfect, then it's very good inside, like a really nice warm light. The other cool feature guys, if you didn't know about, you can press a button and it turns the light on as a lamp. Wow. I mean,

I was reading a book and I just use that as a lamp.

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The other the feature is missing is its ability to write Seth Godin book by hand.

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Oh, actually do. I'll do an hour today.

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yesterday.

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He said Oh, there's the book. I got to take it home. Yeah.

I actually thought yesterday driving to work today. I was like, this could possibly just be this this running joke. The Josh has had a promise for 10 years is 10 years into the daily controller and still hasn't fucking we have no relationship with Seth Godin anymore. It's too embarrassing, but I thought I'd actually probably be okay if you never did it. And it was just this jona I wanted about how you made a promise fulfilled that now I actually want to do it. I hope that gives you hope me succumbing to the the thought that it's never getting done is the motivation for you to be like fuck you tell me fuck you tell me you

wouldn't might have it tonight.

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Maybe the we've got a 1230 meeting. And it's with people that you are friends with. Right and it's a professional meeting and I've got anxiety of how we're grading just what you're gonna do. We're going for you you'll give them a kiss Hello.

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I always just going for a bit of a bumpy been embracing the awkwardness I had the most awkward hold with a woman the other day. Because I'm not kissing. Most of the time. Unless it's my mate Kareem. I was giving him a kiss on the cheek when I say him. But it's usually with a woman that I'm giving a peck on the cheek to an Italian man if he if he's up for it. But I just had this moment where I kind of went in and she didn't kiss me, and then just became a hold. And I was like, how long do I get? I think the hug

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is a safer bet. I think the thing is, especially with say us during the podcasts and stuff here, we're dealing with faces of makeup and all that sort of thing. And so we don't want to have to worry about that. Like you're fine. Dude, you got fucking black. I'm the one that has to worry about getting makeup on my shirt, but the thing is like ruining their makeup.

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It has to be a Kardashian with a seven centimeter thick layer of makeup to ruin someone's makeup with just a little.

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But what do you reckon? Oh, good. Like, have you guys not

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a handshake. You can ask Mr. Nice heaven. He's got no idea. He avoided the gym this morning because he didn't want to speak too big to my words today. That's nice. I just made he told me that. That's Monday, Tuesday, Monday, Wednesday, Friday. There you go. Jim. I said great story. Like Imagine if he just

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like it's a good story, but he has been consistent. So it's been a long story. Yeah, I mean, what's thread a deal? Yeah. Well, how would you how do you approach greeting people? depends on if I've met them before. Okay,

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so like when I met you guys and Bry for the first time in the airport everyone was like going in for a hug. Someone's like all right, I'm just going to go into so

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easy Airport. The thing is, that was like it's very low level. Yeah, because it's airport high vibes. Very easy. You're about to stay at my place for a week. Yeah, it's you know, it's a welcome professional lunch meeting.

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And just I reckon I reckon you follow Tommy you go for a hard just

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joking whatever I do, but hey,

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you say it because then you have to worry about like Tommy is going into the hug and then you've just gone

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just follow Tommy

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Oh, you know? Why? You know I get I mean, this is where it goes bad. I saw I saw Andy lay. And Hamish Yeah, and this is before Hamish was you know with his wife Zoe so his previous girlfriend lives with this is a long time ago. Yes, very long time ago that Nobu fancy restaurant in Melbourne, and I had no place being there. And I come down and I see Hamish, Andy, Zoe and Anna. And I do known enter in and hey, more than I knew Andy, but I knew him and I'd never met Megan Gail, which was his girlfriend at the time. You said

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Zoe, then

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I sorry, did I sorry. And it was Hey, Mrs. girlfriend at the time. Megan was Andy's girlfriend at the time. Megan gal, big famous supermodel.

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Any American you could have kept names out of the start of it going

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is it it's appropriate for the story. Anyway, so I'm

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waiting for the Nobu bit whether no boob it comes in.

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It was just at a fancy restaurant and they were in this booth. And I were like, Oh, I went up shook. Andy Jaime's hand gave her a kiss because I knew her. Yeah. And then I just fucking waiting for a kiss with Megan. But I was like, What happened? It was the probably the only time that I've ever felt like it probably wasn't okay to go in for a kiss. Because I hadn't I'd never met it. You know, I was like, but what I'm saying is I think that's an extreme example, where it's like, I had no business giving a kiss on the cheek.

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So you know what, I guess what is the if we were to do a bit of analysis on the the possible reward. This is the negativity. So what we're trying to balance here is rapport. We all want rapport, but we also want to be respectful.

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What's disrespectful about giving someone a kiss?

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I think I think there is

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what you got what if you go in for a hug without a peck on the cheek?

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That's exactly what I'm thinking. Yeah.

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They're not gonna notice a difference you know, right. Are they gonna be thinking No, they're gonna be thinking about themselves. Yeah,

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you know what I'm just I'm not giving anything discount Hi.

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I've literally worn my easy reg t shirts arriving which is a big contract minutes is big sort of rig where I'm like you know full brace nice he looks like he's lost cause but you look at yourself you've actually got an easy rig on all the time I've actually gotten very I've gotten a very good ideas because when I was traveling with nice on nice and would always go for a hug and it was definitely risking certainly you got to Pakistan, you gotta be fucking careful. We're talking about is

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a very situation requires a different level of thought. work environments. So this this relationship that we're talking about, we know them we've known them for a while like you through whatever through me, but you've known them for a while. So I think it's probably okay to give a kiss. A new corporate client where you're in their office handshake is the way to go. That is it's just this you wouldn't go outside of that Yeah, a date.

It says hello, of course.

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Yeah. Kiss Hello makes complete sense on a day if you put your hand at fucking

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that hand.

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I was literally watching this morning the

on my feed there was like an ex like agent who specialized in like body language and writing and all that sort of thing.

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Where do you see it? on YouTube?

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Yeah, the wide one. Yes. Yeah.

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Where are you guys getting push this you is this The Daily Show YouTube channel

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is just I think it's trending on YouTube stupid the most so just pops up. Yeah. Oh, affiliate look.

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Yes. It's very, very good. But I think that the what I've come to realize, I think that the pressure is in having an extra person. So having Tommy complicates it. Because it means that there is they are in real time having to context switch between, say if it was a kiss versus a handshake, I think I'm comfortable. Just hugging both of them out. The one time where I did go for a kiss with someone where I wasn't sure recently, I kiss them on the year. And so I've seen completely stop doing that. And was it But

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no, it was just like,

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that was super nice to me afterwards. I felt I didn't feel good about it.

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Is it is a visit. Everyone is accepting of interacting, you know, that sort of

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thing didn't go too well.

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No, I but I think it still fits with you know, okay, as much as it might have felt awkward for me. She might have been like,

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why did you get the sense that it felt awkward?

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I just because I

I literally she what she said one word. And then I've kissed her and I wasn't directing my conversation towards her. It was like to, to the to the guys. And so it was like, I don't know, I just probably could have stood back and not gone his appendix. I think that's been pending. But what My point being is, I think there is a general consensus that there is there's a general understanding across humans that interaction at grading time can go a bit weird, but then it's like, it's not thought of after people aren't going that guy's fact. It's like, we've all everybody who has ever done a greeting has, at some point felt awkward or

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what about first impression? What about the fact that it's like first impressions matter?

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Yeah, but a first impression for what I think a confident person that isn't overthinking it is leaving a better impact.

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Now, but I think first impression,

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I think that the humbly

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I don't agree, because I think that part of it is it's like you going confident with a kiss on the cheek could be saying as presumptuous or or unprofessional? Are you talking sexual? Now? presumptuous for watch presumptuous in what isn't there? Like? Why? Why would you? Why would you ever need to kiss someone

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think sexual about a greeting kiss? I don't know. Well, I think you're blending the line between it being a sexual move. And it being a greater Rep.

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But no, but I think it's not sexually, you know, high on the spectrum. Yeah. rapport, but then you go like, rapport is a spectrum. And I guess that what I'm saying is, it's like, you are saying that you've misread the situation in regards to how much rapport you have, or a miss disrespect of boundaries?

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I don't know if it's, I definitely haven't disrespect the boundaries. I think there's a level of feeling that you can have to what it felt what, what, what went on inside you in terms of how it made you felt you feel but I think somebody who is, like confident, confident person might put someone at ease?

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Or i don't think so i think that that's an old version.

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I feel more awkward about someone who is super, super awkward. But you're saying

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it's either it's either you kiss him on the cheek, or you be awkward? No. So

what I'm saying what I'm saying is like I once I've reconciled and worked out what I'm going to do, I'm going to commit to it, and I'm going to be the most confident hugger that I've ever seen. However, what I'm saying is, I don't think that I think that it's missile lining the the confidence as something that is positive, rather than looking at a line of respect. So if you're dealing with a bit also, we also have this whole thing, which is like, if you've got a CEO, with seen a company or whatever, or someone who's senior, and they're a woman, and you would normally if it was a man, you would shake their hand, what you should be doing in that scenario, the your

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corporate environment, if you don't like it, I think it's

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more,

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you have to have a level of respect, because it's in a work environment. And

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I guess my point is that we're like, everything starts to merge, right? You start being like, I know this person from here or there, or we're connected in this way. And so I think that there's, I don't necessarily think, because I have done like, I've tried that for like, a few months, which is your approach, which is just like, just confident and just do it or whatever. Yeah, but then you played situations afterwards. And the fact that you look back and remember an experience from 15 years ago, says that it has rattled you. And so

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I'm just pulling on a memory. I don't think about it at all, like literally my one second and then it's done. I think that's that is the difference. It's like,

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should wait, but the thing is, so why am I Why am I thinking about because that's

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your way your brains wired, what you like, but one of my intentions of thinking that way. You're, you're overthinking what the person's experience is, is being in that moment where it's like wrestling the moment, right? Because then you know, because

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you're putting a judgment on saying I'm rattling the moment is the moment for yourself, not for them,

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seeing what they're doing.

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But can you also just be in the moment and think like,

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part of it is to be honest, this is the most I've ever thought ever about anything.

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But do you guys know what I mean? Like the thing is like, if like isn't listening to like feeling at the moment understanding it and being respectful of those people. Isn't that my

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decision before you go in?

Maybe that's maybe you need to do your way. So don't don't make a decision about how you're going to do it, execute it before you get there because then it's lack of thoughts. But then don't oversee but we

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also have the other thing is we also already have a already have a set like if you've got a sense of Okay, here's the status, this is the relationship you can make a decision within the moment like before even getting in of based on all of this sort of stuff. This is how I'm gonna

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Yeah, I think there's some people just verbalize it and others that don't. The process is still probably happening happening. It's in whether you actually

consciously choosing to think about it.

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Okay, what do you guys think?

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Yeah, it's, it's a hard one, I think. Yeah. When it's anything corporate or real. Yeah, pretty much anything corporate, you go into the handshake. I mean, I sort of do it on a case by case basis, but it's literally if it's if it's outside of like, work or something, then it's definitely a hug. But I would just follow Tommy

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Good boy. I just felt like Tommy Boy, you know, gotcha. Yeah. Anyway, what do you think?

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Yeah, I, it it like like Mason said, it depends on the environment. But like, I've always been, I've been in situations before where I've tried to plan out when I'm going to do when I go up and meet this person. And by the time I actually get there, any thought that was in my head has just gone out the window and I'm just gonna go with what Shawn

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says he was saying think about it and then throw it out. Yeah, I think it's Yeah, I met de Villa is very much like you Josh he over things that he did the dating thing over thought it. I know, he's talked about the interacting and you know, handshakes. And I've experienced it, I believe he's just total once you can throw because I bet you've been in situations where you've thrown it out in mind. And it's a daily grind. And it's just you've survived it. That's actually, it's hard because I think that probably the different is

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positioning and advising it and respect and all that sort of thing. Versus like, I'm confident I'm just going to go in and do what I want.

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Okay, then. But this is all we're talking about something that happened so fast. And we're trying to then unpack it and talk about the steps to get to the success whatever that looks like. Which It's not like that right? I don't think it's like trying to tell stuff fucking looking over to Mr. 97. All episode. This back. What's this bag? You've literally Bray, you're right. I don't know what you're trying to get at that. I'm fumbling my words. It's not me.

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No, I was actually looking at the camera there.

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But you know, when we try and unpack something in and then work out a step by step process to get to the success, but when you do that, it seems to mechanical huh. And so what deal said was like,

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yeah, just why does this go for I

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think it's the I think it's the spectrum is what what I'm talking about is it's like well, I think that you're on the spectrum I think that you're saying that you got to be

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honest about what I think about it, and I'm just thinking about myself. And don't think about the shit when I'm going to meet somebody. It's not even my head. And he's that I

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yeah, I wonder what that means.

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It means looking pretty good. All right. All right. Very good. If you just feel uncomfortable skip skip the kids skip the meeting.

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I just go for that. I think I think the hug is is quite safe.

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I think I think a hug is pretty safe.

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What's even safer is Hi. Like

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Yeah, saying hi and just saying hi without any sort of interaction. Yeah, what if they just like that's a fucking that is horrendous advice. Because I was saying like, right now okay. Blowing up my phone. Hi, the daily talk show.com if you want to send us an email tomorrow can we sort out what's happening with the air pods?

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Who second What? Who's second? What Yeah.

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Feedback Amy watch the podcast and she said Remember how I said oh hang on what happens if it's what has if I never said that? She said that you really somehow just avoided even talking or accepting that you would do anything as a result of us not finding it? Which has I fucking didn't say that. He never said yes. So we don't have evidence of him saying I yet I will. If you don't find anything I will do

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and the problem is that everything's a spectrum isn't anything and even if I think something's one way Tommy we think that our talk show will say tomorrow say yes.