- April 3, 2019
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show we’re joined by Simon Taylor. Simon is a comic, singer, dancer, actor and magician all rolled into one. Simon has written for The Tonight Show with Jay Leno, Shaun Micallef’s Mad as Hell and Magic for Humans on Netflix whilst also producing his own one-hour comedy special.
Star signs and the moon
The Melbourne International Comedy Festival
Rituals and the work environment
Success and big picture thinking as a comedian
US vs Australian audiences
The indicators of a good show
Mainstream media content
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317 Wow, what's cookin? Simon Tyler,
man, I'm excited about 317 I feel bad that
length of the game, I'm actually glad that you haven't been here, because we've been polishing. So now you get a better experience.
Now you're ready for me or Tommy's
favorite phrase is not to blow your load early. And so this would be a good example of
thank you for not pulling your load on me to
Simon Josh said that we we need to get you on many times. And then you are overseas for a while in LA. Yeah, yeah,
I'm on the road a lot. So I just dip in and out of Melbourne. So last week, I got to hang for like an hour last time. So and I'm
back with admin as well. So it's a little when I'm in charge of organizing guests. Yeah, sometimes fall flat,
the Google Calendar.
I got like eight notifications today. It's like don't forget you're really like Google. I got it. And then I get an email.
You were telling the guy do you do? Oh, yeah. Big
time. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think I've ever missed a flight or, like anything like that. I'm pretty. Yeah, I'm pretty punctual to think what starts on I
was like, Western or Chinese.
Now I'm just trying to do my own data research here on he's the only one I know, because I'm a Virgo. But I'm like Virgos tend to be on time Josh is a Virgo.
I'm a Virgo. And
we have one in one in 12. People. Yeah. A while I'm assuming the distribution is even better. Yeah, one. And 12 people are punctual. Yeah,
I was actually having a chat with someone about that about
a friend of mine is really into star signs. And she said, What do you believe them about when you were born in the moon and planets and something like that? And like, but why when you born though? Like what? What's the deep like what happens to you as a human when you come out of the womb? Like why is that the moment? Yeah, you're in there for a bit anyway. So why is that conception?
Maybe because it's like the first breath of relay.
So Oxygen. Oxygen hits your lungs, the planet?
is conscious consciousness kicking? Five months. Yeah.
So we're just unconscious before like, we're just sort of not
you're not not conscious in the way that Yeah, we are now so yeah, kids usually maybe Tommy still.
Pretty unconscious guys. You know? Yeah.
It's just an interesting question. It's just white. Why Beth? It's just, yeah, maybe just a couple of layers of skin. Right. Yeah, exactly. What in the planets affect you. So you know,
the whole moon thing? I always feel like whenever I'm feeling anxious, I'll look outside. And it's always a full moon.
I think that's just
you joining the dots that but I mean, I say the stats, I think but I've always found the people who are. I'm one super fascinated about people who are fascinated about stats
you know, a lot like I'm always impressed to I've always found that not a screw loose, but like, you know, focusing your energy there of like,
about that. Yeah,
this every time I say you, and
it's a little bit of a test to say, Yeah,
because I think I missed assigned guy,
totally not. And I just like to gauge reaction. Because if I'd be super interested if he knew a lot about stuff on
Yeah, I like when people get excited about it. And like watch a stop sign like dating. I think that's a big one. You have stats on it. So really, it's compatibility based on where the planets were when you were born. Like, I find that but I studied psychology. So I guess I kind of, you know, like,
I know about personality types, and I, and all the theories and the science and the empirical research, but behind personalities and things like that. And that's so messy. So when someone comes along, because I know I know. Yeah, yeah, I know, because I read the Woman's Day.
Star signs today. So I know based on the horoscopes exactly what's going on with you. It's It's It's when you say your stars. I'm the guy
No, it doesn't.
It's also like middle childhood like, Oh, do you have brothers? This is like your middle child like, oh, wow, that explains everything. Well, can you explain Josh walking and seeing the moon him thinking it's the moon is this? Yeah, it's from a psychological point of view. Yeah. Yeah.
So that's called confirmation bias. So that's where if you were to do it empirically, you would, every time you feel we, you know, take a note in your diary. Hey, I feel weird. And then you'd right if it's a full moon or not, I've got a lunar calendar, which is probably perfect. Yeah, it glows in the dark. I want to put it up in the bedroom.
Right? Let me
it's coming from these bloody calendar that's keeping you up at night because this
picture of a former
every single like die has a different moon. It's a very impractical. Yeah, calendar because it's actually the way that it's designed. You can't rush on it. So it's purely for Yeah, for visual
Yeah, I think it's it's just when you feel weird and you look at the moon you go hot CEOs, right. And then when it's not there, you forget about and so if you actually to write it out and record it, that the one that people say about the moon is interesting for me because like I mean, the reason the tides are affected by the moon is because in the earth revolve around a, an access point. And so it's just based on the timing, I believe you're
on the center of the
but but when people go Oh, doesn't that affect us? And like but surely depends what direction you're facing as well like positions pulling the fluid in your body this way. But yeah, you turn around and it's that way. So that one always just funny to me. It's like but the moon and the tide. Yeah, but what direction are you facing?
Because you can move all the time. studying psychology does that you're a psychologist?
No, I didn't. I didn't get the masters. So you got one as in the Masters, but I did undergraduate and then became a full time comic.
So you finish your degree. I finished
my undergraduate but I didn't do the No, I didn't do the masters. So yeah, I did. By Tommy's faces, I don't know what
to tell you just get a Degree or no degree.
degree first three years? his undergraduate. Right. And that doesn't qualify as a psycho. Yeah, Bachelor. Yeah. And then then you do honors year. And then you do two years of masters. Daniel qualifies she
This is a fair,
fair slice of time, isn't it? But yeah, wouldn't you rather go to a psychologist who studied?
As opposed to a dude. I did two subjects.
I found a guy that's done a coaching course on Instagram. And he's right.
Whatever works? Well, what starts on is either, maybe it's a man.
Did you? Do you know much about this Freud? Yep. And what's the young? Yeah, is that the one there's a book that's like the, like, not giving it's not the subtle art of not fat, but it's the not caring what people think. Okay. Anyway, there's, it's, there's another psychology I think it is, you know, what's, what's that called? You know, that's like human psychology. Yeah, it's
Jordan Peterson's God, that model, I think is modeled off him. So is that what happens? So you, as a psychologist, you model your teachings, or your I think it's just really like, No, I think science in general is sort of progressing based on previous research. So it's very rare that you just got he's an idea. I'm going to study it. It's usually All right. Well, here's an idea of what's the previous literature on it. So if it's therapy, then you go, Well, what do we know about therapy already? What has been studied, what's been proven? What's been disproven, so on and so forth? So that's the same in all science. I think it's you go to the research the body of research to see what's next. What's the next question to ask? Because if you say, Oh, you know, how do you? How do you deal with depression? How do you help someone deal with depression? You can just guess go right. I'm going to try this. See if it works more, you can actually look at the research and find out this NASA. Yeah.
I delirious Valerian psychology, just
look at the moon. You know, it's it's not, you know,
the courage to be disliked, is I spoke to a bad leader in psychology, which is some other form of it. Okay. When you're looking for a psychologist, what do you we've asked many people on the show, we asked Williams, about psychologists whether he'd been to one, what's your, what do you look for? So if you're going to a mechanic or whatever, you look at the reviews? Right? What's the process? In looking for a psychologist? Do you think? Well, yeah,
I've actually been speaking my friends about this MIT because a bunch of my friends, a psychologist, they completed the studies. And I actually think it's referral is a better way you actually ask friends about psychologists and who they think would be good for you, because they know you yet. So you ask your parents and your friends and people who actually know you, maybe even your doctor, your doctor has a sense of you and who you would suit. Because I think if you don't connect with your psychologist, so don't respect them or don't have any kind of faith or confidence in them, then that's a problem to begin with. So I've had psychologists when I'm like, you don't know you don't really? Yeah. Or they just don't speak my language. So you've been
you've been to them as a Yeah,
lunch. Yeah, I've been to a few. There's one in Sydney, which is unfortunate or live there. But when I was in Sydney, I was going through some tough stuff. And, and my cousin recommended that Oh, you'd really like this psychologist. And she's just so she's so good for me. For me, she just, you know, speaks my language we were on the level she knows.
She seems to just know my personality really type really well. And she was able to give me really practical strategies to dealing with the things I had. And then I had one in in Melbourne, who was just obsessed with psychoanalysis, it was like, so tell us about your relationship with your mother. I'm like, it's fine. Just fix this. You know, so yeah, I think asking people about you know, psychology they know I think referrals better than a Google search because you don't know if you connect and it's tricky because you know, you pay what hundred and whatever dollars to go see a psychologist for the first time and it may suck. Yeah, but also sometimes you need it like stick with them and trust them so yeah, it's tricky but someone who's to you
over the price things funny because I use it as a as a way of comparing it to other things sound like $150 What about if I got an audible subscription? Yes, similar amount. But
you still in relying on your own brain to work it out? Yeah, that's true with the information that's given. Yeah,
I guess that if you get the right book, right, but how can you trust your brain to pick the right book where your
brains not? Well, how can I trust the psychologist?
No, no, you don't go outside. Look at the moon.
Yes. Melbourne International comedy festivals on now. Yes. How many years have you done it?
This is nine This is the
number knock on you. Yeah, nine years. What was the first room like versus the room you're in? At the moment?
Um, this room was like a 30 Sita
and it was in South Melbourne at the butterfly club when it was there. And that was I don't know I really like I liked it
is downstairs Yeah. Is it
is a dance. Did you know that venue is not there anymore, but it was during the city now they're in the city. They're upstairs. I got so your clothes.
No shit. Yeah, yeah.
So that's where I was. And I still love the butterfly club. But now I mean, trades hope. And, you know, big old
what's the word Union Building Dean? I think it's like the trade union. And so that's that's good. That's a good hub. There's a lot of like improv there and sketch and things like that. That's usually the hub for those sort of Acts. So I've been there maybe four years or five years actually that's not true even longer. I've done shows there beforehand. So I am Yeah, I think my audience knows me there so to head
spot how many people go and see a show? And how do they find you? Are you like a the headline act or it is a group of dudes well up on stage
so in fact, in festival time, it's kind of almost like a free for all there's like 500 acts I want to say five different acts at the festival. Something like that. It's
almost like the worst time to decide to do a comedy show like
all the competition in one guy, right? But it's when all the energy towards comedy show right? So you get sort of the buzz of people going oh, I gotta go see something during the comedy fest so I guess with the podcast, everyone's doing it but everyone's talking about it.
Yes, right. Sloppy says
to 97 check the moon at the moment. This could be something about comedies festival like the period atomic I think that was
just the next one question on the full moon it was Did you feel weird the other day?
I did feel a little bit with my left leg
the full moon thing I got my account I haven't even looked into this is how stupid I am.
Is the moon the same in the US as it is in Australia in regards it when it's a full moon here? Is it a
different position in the
world? So if I if I bought my know as in the day that it's a full moon? Will it be that I because I bought my calendar from amazon.com. Right? If I fucked it? I don't know.
No meat? No, maybe it is. But it's a physical question. Yeah.
I think that's like
get what you mean. I get we may But no, I sevens looking at he got 97 into school.
Oh, really? That's why we call it Mr. 97. Yeah,
that's really good. To me, but the you have a moon thing is it but so the comedy festival. So does that. So it means you've got 500 X, you've got one of those passes, where you can go see a bunch of bunch of them
is that what you get for being a part of the
as I can, yeah, but I don't have I don't have to go see other shows because I do like and a spot and other nights. So they'll be like the best of the Early Show, which is six x in an hour. And I'll turn up I'll do seven minutes, and then I'll run off to another gig. And I did like squeaky clean comedy on on Friday. And then I went and did my show for an hour and then I did like a late night pub crawl. And then there's the light light show. But if you can do four or five gigs in a night, and so I don't really have time to go see other acts. Full shot but you'll see other acts doing this box from start to finish of the festival. How many shows? Are you doing? 22? Geez, yeah, that's a do 30 in Adelaide, but it's festival time this is so sorted to answer your question. If just say there's like
for me, it's like harvest time for me to draw an analogy to farming.
has a lot to do with the moon farming there actually is. I'm pretty sure that
the moon is a reference point.
Right Scott? Not sure if it's the light. Yeah,
that's a farming reference. Oh, there you go.
the second half of the year basically is me planting seeds like creating the material. Yeah. And then the festivals I do Perth in January. And I do a week in Perth. I do five weeks in Adelaide week in Brisbane, four weeks in Melbourne, awakened Sydney. And then that's it, that's where like I you know, make or lot of my money. And then the rest of the year, I'm creating new projects to then, you know, sell off at this the next part of the year. So, so last year was a big year was a run of all the festivals were performed to I don't know, maybe 5000 people will up like over the course of the festivals. And then they moved on a TV pilot then worked on a kids book and and a novel. And a not I did I did two TV pilots last year. So it's just like, putting all my energy into creating things. Yeah, and then this is the time to sort of like make some make some high
banks bank. Fuck you burnt out? Yeah,
I was. Yeah, January was a tough month. Yeah, I was like, Oh my god, I gotta get a new show ready? So yeah, last year actually burnt out like a financially It was my best year. But and, and and I feel like I've kind of planted seeds so to speak for projects to you know, come about so you know, these two pilots could both turn into series which will be more money and more exposure and bigger profile and hopefully more tickets. But at the at the moment I was at the start of the year I'm better now but it sounds like oh my god I'm creatively spent. Yeah. So it was a real mental struggle to get back to basics and get
those like us he I feel like they burn the candle at both ends. And he just worked it into the show. I'm tired. Yeah, I'm working a lot right? It just like
Yeah, but he's he's He's incredible though. Like he's cuz I spend a bit of time with him at gigs and especially in Adelaide, because he's away from his family. So he gets time to hang out. Yeah, he like radio and TV and live shows and has three kids and he's I think he's just he's got that personality where he can or we can just go go go Yeah, and yeah, I don't know if I can. I don't know if I could do it the way he does. I think I need way more sleep or way more space. So I think he has a mental fortitude that he's built you sort of
the boundaries or your limitations I guess it's like I think with when we started this podcast five days a week to start feels like a real stretch we have the capacity is the word so we're stretching our capacity as we don't even feel like fact we're you know doing a lot and then you speak to someone they're like, oh, you're doing a lot. So it's a everything's in perspective. Right so
he's a he's a animal I think you probably become detached as well. Yeah, I think to be able to do that amount of work. You have to be out be okay with shit not working out or things like that. Yeah.
And I think also you get to a stage where I think he's streamline the process. So he I don't think he has to go to radio meetings. You know, there's so many production meetings. I think he doesn't have to do them anymore. I think in turn up five minutes beforehand, do what he needs to do later right away I go to the next project
actually I got a storage we did he and I did a gig in Sydney, a Taronga Zoo, and I flew up from Adelaide. He flew up from Melbourne to go do it.
And it's a charity thing. I feel like the only way that you have like a who's organizing the Taronga Zoo, it was it
was a twilight at Taronga. I can do it
was really awesome was they had bands there. Do you see the animals? I got to see some drops?
Because that was taken on the show you get afraid? Yeah,
So I messaged him like oh, what are you going in? We can try when you getting there. And I think he said he's playing landed at 3:30am like all cutting it fine. And he's like, no, it's you know, it'll be okay. And then we get the show starts I think it's 630. And he's he gets there at six and then he's complaining. They're too early. He's like, I gotta wait around.
Oh, should I go to light a flight? like really? Like
he like even that half an hour was annoying to him of doing nothing. Yeah. And I think that was reflective of his personality of like, Can we just do like can we minimize time wasted? Yeah, so that was that was an interesting probably insight into how he gets things done is that he doesn't want to waste any Yeah,
definitely. You said you're the on time guy. What's the process like because I could imagine myself getting to you know where I'm doing my stand up show not that I'll ever do one but getting there an hour and a half early just you know getting on my phone maybe having a little bit of food just feeling comfortable. Yeah,
that's that's probably part of it. But when you go gig other gigs on and you want to promote the show. So
is it your shit that you tell yourself
or like for you? Personally, if you're doing four shows in a night, you only can do an hour and a half? You can? Yeah, yeah,
I just want a nice hour to get my Nando's. Yeah,
but what about early days of you know, your career? You, you know, nine years ago, or say eight years ago, right or a year into you think you're sort of
directing your softer at the beginning, and now you're able to do more? Or do you think that you become more exhausted?
And I don't know, I think I've kept the energy up. I've always wanted to do as much as possible. So as much stage time as possible. So I'd rather do a quick gig beforehand, then just get there an hour early and wait. So yeah, I mean, punctuality is just about not missing anything, but I like headspace wise. I think that's Yeah, I think it's just just keep doing gigs. And gigs. So yeah, sometimes I feel exhausted by it. But I'm also energized by the, you know, the role on of like, right, got another gig or thing quick, ya know? And I like that
when you're organizing your own gigs. Do you have rules around? How you enter the room? So Tommy and I were doing a live podcast. The other guys just overthink everything. Well, maybe I thought
you did overthink this. Yeah. Well, I was like, he's all still just worried about.
Everyone was like, everyone was coming in. Yeah. And we were just there. I just remember school productions. It's like no one can see you before the show and so panicked about that. But then we didn't have music. So I
was Venus in retrograde at the time.
I think the moon could have been full. We had a shitload of Nando's before.
And so we could I had my which I found out later, only this weekend that my iPhone speakers have been playing up. So. But I was using my iPhone as a speaker. So I was getting a very tinny sound. And I played the Queen album, and just had that playing on full blast, just so there was some sort of noise, right. But I was trying to I was trying to create a bit of an ambience. Yeah. But it felt like I couldn't, what I would have liked to happen is I ever like, all right, the guy is going to come out in a couple of minutes. And when the doing we're going to start a big clapper, right, okay, let's give it a go in 321, let's try to clap. You can do better than that. Let's give it another go. I see you at the front with the polo shirt, a bit of that gear, right? When you're doing your own show and you're running the whole thing, it feels like you don't have the autonomy to create that sort of level of energy. What's your rituals? When you're doing your own event you hide out back?
The short answer is when you do this so much, you don't really have time for rituals to get on with it thing. Because if you have a gigabit, I'll take you. I mean, you've seen me, you've seen me, you've seen me go from games. Yeah. And even that, it's I'm finding the time, no matter what I was doing, I think I was riding my bike, and I was thinking about the gigs. Or if I'm on the tram on the way to gig, I'll be doing it there. Like I'll be going through that mental process here. So I don't think you need to actively set time aside for the ritual and the process and the headspace. You just find it where you need to know to get the gig done. And if you don't, then it you know, whatever the gig will be whatever it is. So it might be rushed. Or it might be all thought out. But you learn from that. And you can hopefully think back on it later. So ritual wise, I don't really have any, it's just whatever I need to do to get ready for the gig in the time I have it in place. I have it because I'm in a different venue. You know, a lot of the time I'm jumping from venue to venue and flying from city to city. So there's no real space for ritual ritual. Yeah, well, preparation
comics, comics versus comedians. Is there a difference? No, just just do when you're backstage. There's certain comics. Do you like saying comics or comedians? I feel more
like a changeable,
I think, yeah, what should I say do you think was the big one?
I think you should just follow your heart.
I'm gonna say comics. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Gonna make another moon reference fandom
comics is probably more of an industry term. So that'll make you feel good about Yeah,
so definitely, yeah. So backstage, there are certain comics that give off a bad or that actually unsettling when you're when you're there before you go on? And how do you control that? Yeah,
not really. I mean, I know what you're getting at is like, what are the
trigger points within a short friction? Yeah,
we have one of the challenges in the environment of the workspace. But I think the interesting thing is that the variables are changing all the time. Yeah. Like you're at a venue. And you've got five minutes before you're going up, and whatever. Maybe you're standing chatting to comics, maybe everyone's on the phone, maybe you're having a drink. Like it's the variables different all the time. So there's no real consistency into what happens before a gig or doesn't. Sometimes they are called make some people that you don't, you know, like around, but that's like, normal life and everything. So if the only thing that is consistent, is
you and the audience like how do you actually, you know, connect with the audience. And so that's the only thing you really have to be concerned about. All the other stuff about what's the venue like and who's backstage and stuff like that changes all the time. So you just adapt to that and get on stage.
The thing you you do you have to think a lot about, but then you can't overthink everything else around it. It's like I see. Yeah, this is drugs. Yeah.
So don't worry about like, oh, man, what if this person's here before the gig or where do I stand before the gig and will I be able to have this is Amanda is before that yet, all that stuff? Doesn't matter. How many drinks you do you have a policy of Oh,
I only have a max of three drinks before a show. Well, I didn't drink alcohol. So that
Yeah, don't drink it. there any comics that just full blown alcoholics?
Uh, yeah, but they don't last very long. So maybe in the open books? Yeah, they die. But they I mean, there's I had an interesting moment. The other month in in it's called crab lab. It's a really good night here in Melbourne. It's Wednesday night. It's a cool room. A lot of cool comics go there. A lot of like, young cool around.
Now and I think Fab Lab I was hoping for some quiet. Yeah, like,
sandwiches with some. What's that called? Like a crab crab man. Yeah. What's that called? What's the famous? Yeah,
like a lobster roll. Right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, sure. Okay. Yeah.
There's like crab rolls as well. Yeah,
it doesn't sound it doesn't sound as good anyway, besides crab crab lab. Yeah.
And the MC gave me all the drink cards and said, I'll give it to the comics. When they pay, they turn up I said comics in the biz. And I offered it to every comic he was on there like comics on and none of them took it. And that's actually quite a contrast to when I started, you know, all free drink free beer and things like that. But I think the comics get to a level of maturity, where it's like, this is a job and like, I want to nail this and I want to be focused and I want to get have a good set. Because if I have a good set, and I know got that material for my comedy festival show for when I do a TV spot. So for us, it's like it's it's business to
some degree, but it was it was interesting knowing that here are free drinks. And we went not Mr. Bennett, because we we came up being so used to getting free drinks, it's not that appealing anymore. It's not as rewarding as having a solid, you know, bit of material that we know is going to help the career in the business
among the comics league. Is it a mantra to you know, outwork the other comics? Because that's how you, you know, you make it?
No, I think, in, in business in general, like you hear that work smart, not hard thing. And I think if you read all those books about successful entrepreneurs, it's like, you know, they don't, they don't grind so much like a think big picture. And they, they, they hustle in different ways. So I think it's not necessarily correlated in the comedian who does the most gigs is going to be most successful. Like, there's so many different factors there. Are you appealing to the public? Do you have a demographic or an audience to TV producers find you, you know,
worth putting on whether that's because you fulfilled a diversity quote, or because your profile, you're gonna bring ratings or because you're just so unique and funny. Like, there's various boxes they need to take, and they should be taken for for TV. And if you don't take any of those, except I'm really really funny, or I've done gigs, well, that doesn't really matter. So success in like, the sense of profile and calm isn't necessarily linked to how many gigs you do, it can help.
It's probably early days tunnel vision of you know, getting your flying hours is helpful. Yeah, but
there are comics you don't pass it each other comics who don't they just like they've just got this crazy personality and this great marketing image and brand, like super clear. And they'll get on the, you know, the TV shows, and they good enough, you know, and then they sell tickets to this show and the show's fine. Like it's not bad, but it's fine. But then there were plenty comedians who are like road hard, have done thousands and thousands of gigs. They just they're not appealing, like the images and interesting of the brands not interesting. And so if you saw them in a club, they destroyed but then you wouldn't think we should get that person on TV because there's just sort of like a maybe a blandness to them or whatever.
These people know that like, can use it. I don't want you to say a name if you're not comfortable that like who someone on a world stage. Yeah, that has that rep within the business they've come in have being or me too so who's the person that's worked their fucking ass off?
Right hasn't made it as far as I should? Yeah, what's the country? Yeah, what's a contrasting business models of someone who's who is the I do five shows a year? Yeah.
And then there's the person who does 200 shows a year Yes. Both successful
Yeah, so there's plenty examples of that but I can
I won't name names but I'll give you like
names that wrong I'll make Yeah, yeah, no names that are like let's just say comic a comic basic comic a is doing spots every single night working on routines refining routines, like jog focused almost like a brick light I like this drug is good in this job is good. This job is good. And so it's like really can do three 300 gigs and so I know a bunch of them. There's a you know a dozen I could name who would like that who just gigs and then they will get gigs and pub gigs and cruise ship gigs and things like that.
But then there are other you ever done cruise ship by the way? Yeah, I hate them motion sick. Yeah,
that and I don't like being isolated and I don't drink so there's not a lot of joy for me on them. And how long did it go for? How long were you there? Six days.
Not getting off the ankle.
It was it was okay. I had some cool comedian friends on it. So that was okay. But yeah, it's an experience.
Just like being hit by cars. Yeah,
no, but it's just like, totally, ya know, it's like, visiting hospitals and experience. But yeah, so.
So anyway, so that was sorry,
let's just say there's the the road in the road comic is like that, and just really bulletproof. Great comedy said, but not necessarily anything
marketable about them. Then you have another comic who maybe does just as Comedy Festival, just as festival doesn't do gigs outside of that just kind of works on the show, which is, you know, we'll be okay. But what they're really good at doing is writing a press release. And they have very clear demographic online, and they put lots of videos up online. And the videos have lots of buzzwords, like toxic masculinity and gender politics, or maybe they do a response to Jordan Peterson or maybe they have like a, you know, a video that goes viral about, you know, whatever it is workplace safety or something like that. That just has like a very clear demographic. I can think of a comic who just had this really amazing, like blokey. It is a got that trading demographic down, Pat all these videos about you know, I'm a bloody bloke, and we, you know, did blokey stuff. And I was on the website, and this happened. And all of a sudden, this niche, this market just blew up, like he blew up in that market. And so he was now selling out his comedy festival shows his comedian Davis it sounds you know, so he's energy went into marketing. And he showed, let's say, it's a seven out of 10, a six, seven out of 10. Fine, he's audience now that he has, you know, 10,000 people coming to see him. I'm going to be happy. They're getting a seven out of 10. But you have comedian a, who's got a nine out of 10 show? Yeah, but just has no online presence, not marketing. radio stations aren't interested in talking with him. He's got no credits, really, that sort of thing. If you want to saw that show, you'd be like, Man, this is a nine out of 10 show. Why does this person have more? Because they don't have any of that, you know, smart. So the easiest way to put it. And this is kind of a little cheesy to say, but it's show business. If you don't do the business, you've just got to show up. Yeah.
I think there's also something in that seven out of 10 show. If it's done to a niche could be a nine out of 10 show. Yeah,
the experiences? Yeah,
for sure. And so I think that's, that's an interesting event with the what's the difference between
perform mean, in Australia versus the US?
I feel like American audiences celebrate you a bit more. Yeah, I think like, you're more likely to just upload things and be on your side about things and like, are you doing it? Hey, man, this guy's doing it. Your next time for me, you know, speaking the truth. What's the best state for that? In the US? What is there a certain state that Yeah, so you've done all around the US? How many states have you done? I've been 22 states. Stand up. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
So it is a nice holiday.
I did 22 states. Yeah.
I'm just drove from city to city. And that was, that's an example of being on the drive, like being in my head, like, I'd be going from Albuquerque to
New Orleans or whatever. And that drive was just where I got to formulate ideas driving in Colorado. And there's a storm ahead of me and like, it's stimulating, like, it's you know, and I get into town and then go find an open mic and do that. So, I don't know I really liked Denver is an incredible city. I think the response there was at the club, there was pretty, pretty amazing. It was just like a really, really, really supportive American crowd like you'd see on Ellen DeGeneres or something. Just Yeah,
you actually caught a bit of I went home for lunch today. And I had Ellen DeGeneres on that's why you went Yeah. And there was just such a they'll fucking dance at anything.
Oh, yeah. It's just like, like, Oh my God. And they said like the
you know, the, the Billy that really is yes. She was on the show performing. Yeah. When Justin Bieber on it. Didn't say that bit. But she just performed and then Ellen DeGeneres came out and said,
and by the way, everyone in the audience is getting her album. Oh, yeah. See, Dave all went? absolutely nuts. As if they didn't have Spotify. Yeah.
There's a disingenuous like, it feels a bit distant anyways, but I guess when you're on the stage, it's exactly what you want. Yeah,
totally. I mean, I think the audience is kind of a prop. I have spent a lot of time in Hollywood and painted shows, you know, Daniel Tosh, Tosh. point O, I touched on it, you know, is it's kind of like an internet commentary show and say, yeah, it's, it's primarily internet stuff.
And he's just there in front of it. And it's not a show. It's not like a comedy show that you go to. And it's like, Hey, this is for you guys. Yeah, he's like, all right. I'm going to do this bit again, because you guys didn't laugh enough. So can you just laugh a bit more this and we'll just do it. And you guys. All right. I'll take a lot from something else. Like he's just
are probably like, you'll hear you're enjoying it as shy be as great. But he didn't treat the audience like this is a show for you. He's like, this is a show for them. Yeah. And you're just helping me make it sound good. With them being the camera, the camera, go home audience.
What's your sort of, I guess, signs for a good show? sighs
Denver, Colorado, there's a bunch of guys in the audience
laughing there on time. So
Is that the sign of a good show? For you? I guess it's an indicator. But what are the personal indicators? Because sometimes we do a show Josh feels great. I'm like, Yeah, whatever. What? So audience
wise, audience wise, I think it's when you can hear them. Because sometimes you have a crowd that there's a culture of a crowd, I've done. I think my record is like eight gigs in a night, right. And I do the same material in each gig, let's say, and how vastly different the reactions can be based on who's in that audience. Sometimes it's a buck 90, and and they're making lots of noise. And they're a big group, and they kind of, they care more about each other than they do about the show. So that's kind of a bit distracting, and the audience is a bit uncomfortable by it. So I'm doing the same material. Yeah, but for some reason, I'm just not hearing the audience engage with it. But then the next crowd, I like, switched on, it's like a bunch of couples. And you know, they're, they maybe, you know, been together for a while saw the old audience. So it's not like a nervous first date thing. And you just by sheer statistics, just have a really relaxed, happy crap. And then the last laughing at everything, the big jokes, and then the little jokes along the way, the little laughs and then maybe you just, you know, give a little wink or gesture, and then that gets a laugh as well. So they're just so switched on to you that you're like, oh, man, this is a shark, like a really absorbing this, and I can hear them. I can hear every response from them. And then some crowds. It's just light, and they're tired. And you do the show, and they come out and go oh, man, you're so funny. It's like, like, didn't he alive? Yeah. So they can enjoy it. They can appreciate what you're doing. But their lives, but there was no
Yeah, right. But the
response is, is just low energy because it's lighten the tide. So it's kind of like about stand up is that the variables are always changing. So it's kind of like to answer that earlier. Question is, you know, it's hard to have rituals, when you don't know what the various bulls are going to be. Yeah,
what can you rest on? If you were to go, I'm going to take a gauge for every show of a person on a personal note. So if you can only I guess you are getting feedback. Yeah.
It's the laughter It's really just, you know, that that response of are they laughing at the big jokes? And, and the little jokes like, and and are you getting a roll? Yeah. So okay, if I can give you one guy just like, are you building
sort of credibility? Can you get a roll of laughter, because if you tell a joke, they laugh, hahaha. And then it stops. And then you gotta stop again and get them from zero to, you know, 10 again. But if you get that laugh, and they're laughing, and they sort of keep giggling, there's sort of a feel, and then you can get your next joke in. So, you know, the noise never drops below, like a five, because you just kind of get that laugh. And you keep that ball spinning so much like
you getting into flow. So you're taking the energy, yes, working it totally one to the next thing. It's fucking massive. Yeah,
I'm doing as well. Yeah, like, it's a flow that it's like surfing, I guess it's not that I surf. But I guess there there is an element of, okay, there's an outside source, how much Choose Your Own Adventure is that in regards to depending on the responses that you're getting, they're laughing at the digital content, I'm going to deep dive into this social media thing. Your responsive in that regard?
Well, some comics treat it like playing a game of say, football or soccer or whatever, in that, you know, the moves, you know how to kick the ball This way, you know how to move this way, you know how to faint and to do you know, all the moves, and then you go out and based on the audience, you adapt, and you do those moves in whatever order is appropriate for the time. And then there's some comics who are more like gymnast and like, this is my routine, I've practiced this exact routine, you guys on both but you see some just like, Hey, you on board, you know, they get they get, you know, a connection with the audience, they get some energy from them, they build up an atmosphere, and then they do the exact routine that they prepared to the letter. And so there are some comics who are a little more, alright, I'll adapt to you. And I'll do my material based on what I get from you. And then the comics will probably I'm more like that in that I'm a more of a you know, gymnast about it. Like, I know the set I'm doing before I get up there, but my energy level where I direct it, who I sort of focus on if I get you know, if I chat with the crowd, I'm almost building ramps into my material as opposed to changing my material to
make sense. I'm a Christian how he's done very well on online building a Facebook following creating content. And I was walking with him the other day and he was telling me how there are comics who would look down at what he's doing based on you haven't sort of your stripe
is either comic be
could you know he's he's a he's a hybrid he's some comics would say you're not a stand up, you're doing a completely different show. This is an EC this isn't stand up. This isn't comedy. Right. Have you
that's a big night. That's that's the big comic, I think all he seems to be focusing on the branding and marketing and that that sort of thing. And he's product isn't, you know, wasn't forged. Understand? Yeah.
Do you find that with going from the magic stuff that you do the singing? All the different elements? Do you find that you can sometimes be put into a different box? outside of the comic stuff? Yeah.
But I think I've taken a more empathetic approach to that. Because in comedy, like your fear is saying everyone's got their own insecurities and worries and, and let's take a surfing analogy, right. You're there. Ready to catch up separately. You sitting there and you ready to catch the tide? Like, yeah,
And you're waiting, and you're like, Great. All right, I really want to catch a wave. And that's like a, you know, a big gig. Yeah, that's a TV spot. That's the gala. That's all they see. They're going all right. I'm ready for this. I've been, you know, practicing. I'm ready for a big way. me sitting there and waiting. And then some other person goes by and you see, like, why are they on a wave? I should be in a wave. I've been waiting longer. Yeah, you know, I'm a better surfer. It's my local spot. This is my spot. Who the hell is this person on the web? So you can have those emotions of like, why is this person getting more audience members than me why they're getting opportunities that I feel like I deserve. So anyone who comes into the scene is going to if you have any form of success, if you're ever on a wave, there will be people who are not on a wave criticizing you for whatever and and I don't think the reasons always legitimate, it could be like, well, they're not a real comic. What is that mean? means nothing. Really? Oh, well, they, you know,
they're only getting that because of ABC or D because I thought, yeah, whatever, whatever it is, or they're rich, and someone dropped them off in the perfect spot or whatever. Or they've got
someone told them you're on a fucking jets game. Yeah. And you always catch away. Yeah,
totally. So that. So man, I feel like we've really made this
but it is that it is want to go surfing.
It is just, everyone's gonna have an emotional response to you and try and make excuses. And people do that with me all the time. Like I had this big opportunity to film a special and my agent said we're going to do it in 1000 seat we're gonna do it the Mr. And Sydney and I'm like, I don't sell in Sydney. I've got an audience in Melbourne. I got an audience in Adelaide. I've been doing that for years a chance to fly, right I can get everyone can have a bus Greyhound bus.
But I was worried about that my Am I going to feel 1000 seats. But we did it because I had a mailing list I you know, put videos on on Facebook and YouTube, like targeting that the fact that it was for ABC gave it a bit of credibility. My agent brought, you know, audience from their mailing list and whatnot. And then I went to Sydney two weeks early and just did a bunch of gigs and fly people. So I placed my special so we filled 1000 seater, but then I heard from a comic who told another comic much friend of mine
My life such little bitches. Yeah, it's like comics are fucking now.
But it's any industry. I think that's what I feel
comics. notoriously, every time I like if I say different comics names to other comics. I'm always 50% how's this going to go? And so that's what that's what I love about even what we're doing with the podcast is we can be this sort of like fucking trying to use it North career analogy.
Who's like the neutral? source? You can't really say where you were? Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
French, say Swiss. But we're just we can have different people on and we don't necessarily care too much about the drama likes
and the drama. Yeah, totally. But so yeah, so I heard from someone else.
They said, Oh, well, Simon go to, you know, had a great special like, Yeah, but they you know, that audience wasn't there to see him as well. Who are they to see, they got to play straight after? Like, yeah,
most of them were tickets, and there was maybe like a couple of hundred homes, but most of them like, pay because, you know, we advertise them and we pushing it. And so that was like one of my most proudest nights of my life. And there's already someone trying to detect detract from it. And the way that I process it is, well, no, that's their emotional state. Yeah. Because I think you could do it with anyone pick any successful person, and you could find excuses is for why they're successful, more detract from them. And it's just a mental game we play anytime someone gets something I don't. I immediately get that emotional, like, knee jerk, like God, God damn it, why? And then I just go, well, it's fine. They're living their own life. They have their own demons, they'll have their own shit. And it's kind of trying to be in about you think it's good. Right. But they will be negative parts of it as well. Yeah,
it's counterproductive to sort of project that negative energy is a being a time, because I know, personally, I've done it.
Oh, yeah. But it's just emotional regulation. I don't think you're anyone's ever going to never feel jealousy. Jealousy is a good message. It's like, Hey, you want something you care about this. So you can either process it as gossip, but lashing out or calling someone shit, or they don't deserve it. You can process that emotion that way. Or you could say, Amen, I need to learn from this. Oh, I'm jealous. So I need to, you know, focus on working to get to that. So that's how I look at it. Because you can get bitter and twisted as some comics do was like, this bullshit. It's cuz I'm this and then there's a negative sign and that sucks. And now that's this shit anyway, like, I've seen plenty of them, those people like if you took that energy of anger and and, and resentment or whatever and and channel that into, or how I market, what an irate brand, how do I solve the problems that producers are looking for festivals looking for? And that's, you know, I'm going to I'm going through that this year, I'm like, Oh, I need to, I need to change my marketing a little bit this year, because I think it was too broad this year. So I felt a bit annoyed at myself of like, I didn't market right this year. But I could lash out at other people like water like it and whatever, more record, you know, but it's just it's personal.
emotional regulation and maturity. So when you hear about that cliquey stuff, it's like, yeah, I relate to those people. Yeah, there's emotions. But what you do with that is what's the what defines you?
It's like the saying the grass is always greener. On the other side show. The funny thing about it is all these sayings and making us feel better, based on the idea that what we're saying isn't as good as what it is sort of like it. It's the basically it's fact for them, but we're just saying that the highlights, which is almost which is still for me, feels like there needs to be a bit of work, which is for me in the being happy for people being great and doing great things versus I'm happy in the idea that even though it looks great, they probably still got a lot of anxiety and things are probably a bit fucked up for them. Yeah,
I Well, I just think it's that's really just having perspective on their life and your life in that you think you want what they have. But what you're actually ignoring is the positive bits of what you have. So I think, like a good fable I heard, it's like an old Chinese proverb was Chinese farmer. One of these horses escaped, and his neighbors said, Oh, this sucks. That's bad news. And he goes, Well, maybe. And then a couple of days later, the horse returned with a wild horse with it name was like, Oh, that's awesome. Dude, you got a free horse. That's incredible. He's like, maybe. And then his son was trying to really understand
what the fuck is
he? He only knows one word, but
his son was trying to read the wild horse fell off broke his leg, and then I was like, oh, that sucks, dude. He's like, he's like, well, maybe a couple days later, the army was coming through the villages and the farms. And they were recruiting young men to go to war. And his son didn't qualify because of the broken leg. And they're like, well, this is great news. He's like, maybe and it's like a good just point of view in life of of all this person's you know, that this other comedians famous? Oh, that sucks for me, does it? This is, maybe maybe it's actually good. You didn't get that opportunity, because maybe you weren't ready for it. Maybe it's not the best time in your life to get that exposure. Maybe you don't have the headspace to handle fame and criticism right now. So for me with like, my pilot projects, I love
that. I'm just thinking the horse like, yeah, the picture is very, very
I'm thinking about this all the time was like, Oh, I didn't get this, you know, TV show spot I wanted. But maybe it's good that I didn't because I might have a better set next year.
Why is TV still a thing? Do you think
it has a credibility that I think independent content doesn't?
what is TV? Is it Netflix? Is it these streaming platforms is? as a comedian, what do you classify it as these days?
Well, I think it's anything with gatekeepers, right? So you guys can just make this and put it online without any real gatekeeper. But I think people acknowledge that if you're on TV, there was a, like a higher power that's selected you show. So be so fucked up, though.
Do you want to be part of that system?
Well, you want the autonomy to be able to do the projects you want and have some control over your life. So you know,
you're actually making your own decisions for your career, and, and so on, so forth. So sometimes that's an a network will give you resources and profile and but sometimes it comes with downsides, restrictions and sponsorship, and so on, so forth. So it is a it goes back to that analogy, like, Hey, you got a big network show. That's amazing. Yeah, just insights. Yeah, maybe in some ways it is. But maybe if you did, like Mark Marin is a good example. Mark Marin was never really chosen to be the chosen, or bill Byrne was never really chosen to be that cool guy on TV didn't get the network spots or the the sitcoms and things like that. So he did his own podcast in Ellie's huge Marin of both huge and there, they've got way more autonomy and way more control over their careers. And they they have lots of money and lots of fans and things like that, and they have all those things. So in some ways, not getting all that mainstream stuff in the TV stuff.
Send them on this pathway, where they have all these other amazing things. Is it a forced pathway, or you know, because I think more people are choosing that pathway, that independent creator that right,
no, gatekeeper, I'm going this way, which is essentially what we're doing, right. But it's, yeah,
it's but it's just, it's a path. It's a path. It's
just a choice you make based on goals to like, if you're, you're using the idea of how do I sell more tickets to a show? How do I do this? How do I do that? And it's like, the gatekeepers, do play a massive part in that right. But then there's other people like the Christian halls or whatever, that's doing something completely different. Do you think that you'll reach a point where if the gatekeepers don't allow you in, that it will force you down a path of independence? Yeah,
I don't think I'm ever gonna stop creating, I think there's sort of, I don't know, it's kind of like, for me, I, I always think this is kind of a calling, like, I don't really imagine myself being able to do anything else and then be a creative, whether it's through books, or TV show projects, or stand up whatever I like, creating and sharing. That's just part of my personality. That's where I feel most fulfilled. So the vehicle for that, if it's a network, like I'll knock on that door, yeah, no, one's there. Okay, no worries. Well, and I'll create a YouTube project. That didn't go that well. All right, fine. When I'll write a book, all that worked really well. Oh, great. So now I can get a tour out of that. Oh, great. Now I can maybe turn that into a TV show. So it's kind of like the path of least resistance. Really? Yeah. So I don't think there's any harm mean, knocking on a bunch of doors or doing all those things. But where you put your energy, I think it's, it's, you know, the process has to be enjoyable. I think you guys enjoy doing this. But what you could be doing is everyday spending time, you know, creating a TV pilot and then shopping around to networks and hoping that gets up. Would
you do that? If you were producing this show, this show, if you're producing the daily talk show? What would be the first you know, you had the first hundred days to make big changes, other than getting us completely off the show and you hosting it yourself? What would be what would be some strategic things that, you know, based on the little info, you know, about what we do? What would you be doing?
I would say? Just
like Instagram models, events that influences? No, I don't know, I don't know. So that just
Yeah, I don't know, I'd have to I have to think about that. Because
I'd say like, all right, what's your what's your overall goal? And what's your overall goal? Like? Who's your audience? What's the long term goal for you? So if it were, well, we want to be personalities, then I think, like, like radio personalities, you're in trouble, then yeah. But then then the focus is on you guys as individuals and selling you as personalities. But if it's the the product of the, you know, the daily talk show, and that then you brand that I guess so I don't know, I don't have an answer for that. I think it's pretty complex, but I think they having control of it. And doing it independently is actually a really good, you know,
a really good thing it feels like to me in my personality plays into what we're doing. Do you find that your personality actually plays into traditional TV? And that you have certain traits that work? Well, with that versus Yeah, doing a video show online? I can't stop
thinking you just can answer every question with maybe it
depends on the horse. Yeah,
I think I think the maybe analogy is just calming your mind down about worrying about all those a slightly passive aggressive, but if I do that to break tonight,
do you want to go there and tell us tomorrow? How guys every night? Well,
we'll just like, do you want to go Sunday for breakfast? Maybe? It would fucking it would erupt?
No, it's about your emotional response. It's not about practical decision like that. Like, do you want to build a successful farm? I'm sure he'd say yes. But it's just like, you know, it's about, like, emotionally coping with, with consequences and, and, and things beyond your control. I think that's what it is. So you a traditional personality? I think so I think it's just I grew up watching the TV show the talk show presenters. And I've, I think that derives from my sort of personality as well, I think from being on the internet a lot. I've done lots of, I've done podcasts, I've done web series, I've done straight talk, I've hosted, you know, community TV shows. And I just think, for me, it's the path of least resistance of all I see I'm quite accessible. Like, I know that, you know, I can have three generations of people watching me and all find my jokes funny, because it's sort of accessible enough, where I know some other comics who don't fit that mold. They're way more nation, they're like, they almost suit like, this particular niche demographic, crass, or they're edgy, or whatever. And they're better off online, because they can find the exact demographic that suits them using the algorithm and using that marketing. But on TV, you've got to be somewhat broad. So I think I just suit TV. And that's why I pursue it.
A lot of people fall into the, I guess, trap of thinking they need a niche. Because it's it's an understandable half the take niche equals audience specific, you know, talking to them. Have you felt that pressure of nation? I think,
I think it's a good place to start. Yeah, because I think you can just be overwhelmed when it comes to marketing or selling yourself. And in every, in every press questionnaire you get before a festival, the guy who's your target, target demographic, please don't say everyone, because it it just Yeah, right. But it's just impossible practically to go. Or everywhere. Every single human just he's a fly to my show. It's like, Well, why would they come? So I think it's a it's an okay, starting point to go, Well, if I target these people, the uptake is going to be higher, because it's a product that they would want or an image that they connect with. And then from there, it can broaden out so I think it just it happens in successful businesses Amazon always wanted to be abroad retail website, where they could sell anything, but they started with books because they can great, we will target radios and people who buy books and and then when we get successful, and we can start to add those things later. So a nice just just, I think just a practical step. Yeah.
What's what's the plans over the coming month? Where are you going to be? What are you going to be doing?
comedy festivals the next couple of weeks Sydney Comedy Festival. After that for a week, it was better.
If I mean Melvin's, like a on the world stage, isn't it? Yeah,
it's International. There's me.
So Sydney, international comedy festivals that, yeah,
there'll be some international acts, but I don't think it's cold today. Okay. So yeah,
called the Melbourne International Comedy Festival. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I'm just wondering,
Melbourne, Melbourne, Melbourne is bigger, and I get to see more of my friends and it goes longer, so you make more money. And so in that sense, it's it's a bigger festival, but your
psychologist is in Sydney. Yeah.
So that's helpful. So actually cope with a better
make sense. Yeah.
And after that, I'm going to finish my novel, which is, I'm enjoying it at the moment. But most of it is painful. I'm enjoying it because I'm reading over bits I liking on Yeah, this is gonna be good. This going to be right. But when you actually have to ride super painful, so I'll do that. Then I'm off to the UK. I've got gigs all around England and Scotland, Edinburgh. enema fringe. I will. Yeah, I'll probably duck in and do some spots. But I'm not doing a full season. Yeah. Is it a you the?
I guess it's like the the a lot of artists, it's a painful journey. But it's within that pain that they find that enjoyment? Is that you? Yeah,
this isn't quite as been incredibly painful for me
this last hour this do I Korea, the stools? Yeah, it is.
It's hard. It's i don't i don't i feel uncomfortable. Most of the time. Like, I'm not settled among several because I'm traveling around too much or finding it hard to maintain, you know, long, long term relationships, which I really, you know, I really want a companion that's something I prioritize. And I try to, you know, nurture but it's, it's difficult. And then money is likes fluctuate so much. But I, I know things we will, will get more comfortable financially. And I know things will get more comfortable. If I get a radio gig or TV or things like that. I will have some financial stability and things like that. But maybe creatively I'll be uncomfortable. So I find being a stand up in general, really tough and comfortable. But there's enough to look forward to and be satisfied from and that that keeps me going. Yeah, maybe. Thanks.
It'd be great to have you back on if you came.
Another 300 episodes.
We're getting a new space and we're different vibe different set out
again layout so
you have to come into Christian the new joint. What does that mean? Just out of that. I played
like a champagne bottle on the wall was out of that. Okay.
smashing things. Yeah,
baby pretended to boat and we'll hang a string with a bottle of champagne. And he let it go and it comes and smashes and we could actually
have ash Williams fake
Today talk show my the daily talk. show.com is the email you're on for the next couple of weeks. The Comedy Festival is the best thing just to do it like book online was
online on the Melbourne Comedy Festival website. How can we find you ABC special that you did?
Our will channel 10 bought it so they will play it intermittently? Yeah. So watch TV. That's why I'm gonna put on 10 play. Yeah, just after they era. So I think you have like 48 hours.
I don't know the next one they added a few months ago. So I don't know. anyone tell me. They bought. They bought the rights to it for two years. So they'll schedule it and replay it as a
part of a bigger like, did they do a big buy of stuff? Do they say hey, we've because you're part of what your management? i lyst? Yes. Right by like six specials from at least
Yeah, I think they bought a bunch of like big names like Arjun kitty and cow Baron. But then I think mine was. Yeah, I think mine was a special case. Because they're like, they didn't bother watching it. When it was offered to them. They're like, Oh, no, he doesn't have profile. And then I told my agent, like just tell them they could have it for free. And they're like all for free. All right, we'll watch it and then they watched it. They're like, Oh, we want this for two years. And he's like, Well, no, you have to pay for it. So we kind of hustled a little bit. So that was so once they watched it, they're like oh, yeah, well alright.
Awesome. Thanks. I'm in Thailand to daily talk show was in Margo