#931 – The Pain In The Process/
- December 2, 2020
We chat about listening to your body, opening the door to alcohol and recognising the pain in the process.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
- Listening to your body
- Opening the door to alcohol
- Recognising pain in the process
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Yes, the daily talk show episode 931 happy hump day Bronx. What is happening? What's going on. Good morning, JJ. Uh, thank you. I've um, fused up some soda stream. Did the three pump this morning. Yeah on the side of strain. That is that good morning, everyone. Good morning. Good morning. Three water. We've all been there, mate.
Let's not, let's not beat around the Bush. It is also like if we are going to go into it, it is a, um, it's a primal thing. So the quicker that you do. Um, uh, I guess aside if you're going scientific, the quicker you ejaculate, I think that sort of like, if you think about the sort of back in the day, the idea is you're trying to get your sperm into as many.
Different people as possible. And so I think that the idea is the faster you are, the actually said that the more optimized you are. Yeah. And right now you're witnessing a bloke. Tell himself a great story to back up. He's a good story. Yeah. It's just, even though you don't want to have kids, that's a great story.
Oh, wait. I've been using it for years, but I'm, you know, pushing that cute. I'm making babies, I'm making babies now. Um, It's a good day. Nice morning. Beautiful. Spin out for a coffee. Fired up, fired up with the family. I actually not as fired up as my wife. We went out the other morning and she had a coffee.
Well, actually, sorry. I lie. She had a mocker. She can't drink coffee, never drinks, coffee. Like she's not a coffee person whatsoever. Tea loves tea, but tea. Doesn't get you fired up. My God. I see. This is a, this is the thing. It, it came across as an insult because she had this Maka at breakfast. And just talked my ear off and not like I've got no, like, it's great that she taught.
She can talk to me. That's good. I like having conversation, but it's very noticeable and it was a lot of conversation from her. And I was like, I wasn't a strong marker. No, it was a weak marker. Because we ought to wake mockers and, and she, um, and she was a bit offended when I told her that I was actually talking about what was.
Getting a pump, everything just going to story, you know, it's just layering, layering, layering. If you've ever been out with a group of people and it's nighttime and someone's gone off to the bathrooms and come back real chatty that's what the vibe was. But there was no narcotics and nose, nose beers involved.
It was, it was just coffee, straight up coffee, but she was a bit offended when I told her mate, you're talking a lot, like the coffee's getting to, you know, Just Oh. What you could do have been, when was it? When was this? It was a Saturday morning. It was great. So you weren't, you weren't I'm having coffee?
No, this was pre so you projecting a little bit. Is this like me when I get on admin? And if anyone doesn't calendarize something I blow up. No, no, because Amy sent me this message to yesterday and she said I had another mock-up. And talked my bosses mom's ear off. I feel that I noticed in myself what you saw on Saturday and then she's, I think she's told her boss.
Oh, can you please say, sorry, say, please say, sorry to your mum. Just tell her that just had a coffee. Maybe she can have a mocker for, um, when she's on weekend banter. Yeah. Oh, that'd be good. It'd be lightweight. She won't sleep all night, but some people are really sensitive to the, to the drug of coffee.
Yeah. Um, but I mean, fire that guys fired up day two into your tea, coffee. We've been digging into, you did an Insta post about it. It's a story. Sorry. Yeah. I nearly backed it up with all my key learnings. I was like, Oh, that would have been nice. I'd come down by that tonight. Can you tell us your key learnings?
Um, my key learnings. This is why I didn't post. Cause I didn't think it through, I didn't have any who's that what it is? No. My key learnings are. Um, listen to your body because majority of the time, when you're deep on your fourth coffee, you didn't need it after your first one, to be honest, it's like, you know, you've come down and you just trying to climb back up.
It's um, similarities between. Needing your six wanting your sixth beer or needing a sixth period. No one needs the sixth beer. I just want it. And you kind of in your intoxicated already. And so for me, the amount of times I haven't felt good in my body, but I've had another coffee has been countless, you know, what's I think.
Yeah. Yeah. What do you think it is that draws you to have another coffee? It's the thought are sorry. Sorry. Oh yeah. A, a good distinction. There's a T there's two, two addictions addiction to the habitual addiction and the chemical addiction of the drug. And so as much as I think I'm physic my body is actually addicted to the caffeine.
Um, There's also the habitual addiction, which is get up. First thing you think about wanting to get to the coffee shop, sit down like with Bodhi. And so I kind of kept that going with drinking fucking pathetic child lattes. So I didn't even want, and I always pay extra and they like, you pay more anyway for a child latte, but I would always downsize it, but still pay the same.
So, because I didn't want to drink. You know, a liter of fucking milk with a child latte because they always say, I know we got to do them in the big size. We don't do the small sites based on something or other. Anyway, my mate at the coffee shop, give me the small one and chat. What's the problem. So maybe it's something to do with.
Are they loose leaf? So it's brewing, it's something about this. One of them said something around it's like, not worth us doing. And this was at another coffee shop, not my friends. It's like, not for the cost of the leave. I dunno. It was something ridiculous. Oh, okay. Sure. I was like, that sounds complicated.
You should just offer two sizes. Well, I, I went to, I went to, uh, MCAS for a iced coffee because they do a. The almond milk that I like milk lab. Yeah. And the cheeky buck is so I'm watching them make it, it's like, you know, barista or that sort of thing. And then just before they stir it, I just say them sort of go to the side of the sort of machine pump of something freaky, just one pump.
It was some form of. Like it was just, I think it was like sugar syrup or something. It's like, it tasted really good. It did sort of change, change what it was going to be. Yeah. So it's listening to your body. Uh it's um, do you think it's the caffeine thing? Cause like, for me, if someone said to me today, Hey, look, we've worked out thick shakes are about the same as coffee.
In regards to how all of that sort of thing, even sort of hipster value, you know, the cool factor milkshakes are up there or thick shakes, right? Trevor long is fucking wrapped at that point. Listen, he loves it, loves it milkshake. And, and, um, I like milkshakes, so I like thick shakes specifically. And so. If they were to say thick shakes are the new coffee, just as, you know, the same sort of health or that sort of thing.
I think that I would go with a thick shake, two thick shakes a day versus two coffees. So that makes me feel. That I don't have an addiction to caffeine. I just haven't whether it's addiction, doesn't speak. It just acts and it needs what it, what it needs. Well, that's when everyone says I'm not addicted, it's like, we'll fucking take a month off.
Then see what happens. Like there's a different there's levels of addiction, right? There's a levels of the drug and the dependency that you, that you have based on the addiction. So heroin, you come off of that shit. You're in big trouble. It can kill you if you just come off like you can, if you just come off cold Turkey, there's people who have died from that shouldn't body shuts down.
Whereas this is a light drug, hence whites, you know, everyone's on it, but there is an addiction to it anyway, so that's, that's it just listening to my body only needing one a day, which I've. Kept to it yesterday, as much as I fucking wanted another one. And then he's opening the door. You gotta realize like, uh, speaking to Jess Lucas producer, Jess yesterday, just about catering for, um, the Christmas party this Friday.
And I was like, what do you need, mate? Because she's on that lifestyle. She's got that, um, you know, some would call it a diet, others call it a lifestyle, but she's not eating certain foods, but she's realized in herself that she has to. It's either I'm doing it or I'm not because you can't open the door and that's for a lot of people.
And so I even see how, if I opened the door for coffee, I want another one. Like, I, I want to, like, I want to leave this show right now. Go get a coffee. In fact, you want to I'll cry. I actually, I do feel like a coffee now. But I'm sure if you click your fingers, it will appear. I had that one. See, there you go.
Like, I would love to just go to a cafe and not do any work after this. I don't have a car, so that's a very, unless you want to come pick me up, I'll take you to my local horn. No, but here's the thing. I, then I want a coffee and so open the door. We could do a team coffee. We could all go to a cafe today or we can do that tomorrow.
Cause we were all going to the office. Yeah. If I, if I open the door, see I'm being, it's just knowing, you said, how do you know yourself when you haven't checked yourself? Well, this is the thing. This is what's hard. This is what like, even. So, like there is a little bit of shame in the alcohol, you know, I've only just had drinking every time you said that it's going to follow, follow with fuck up.
No, I, um, there is the, there is the belt. Like I am the guy that doesn't do moderation, like, uh, uh, uh, brain. I went with, uh, Mason and grace to a wine bar in Carlton last night. We had a, um, a nice cocktail. And then we had a painter who's really the drinking guy, mr. 97. He didn't drink, ever drink it also he's he's so this is the thing he's and cause Brie said to me, she's like, ah, on hump day save said that he wants to sort of dial back.
The drinking thing. Right. And so it's all, it's all making sense, but yeah, so we went to the wine bar or whatever, and so I've had the, um, the cocktail of had the Pino. It was great. We had soft cheese, little psych, some sort of sweet thing with it. Like it was, it was amazing. Right. And then I said, do you guys want to come back to our place and test out the bike as you do?
Cause I was fucking talking about the bike a lot. So they said yes. And so they're there, I'm testing out the bike. And at the time, um, before, before we actually left to go to our place, they said that tonight they were going like last night they were going to watch the Sean Mendez. A concert on Netflix.
And so, um, anyway, I just had this great idea, sort of mid the guy's playing with the bike. I'm like, Oh fuck. I think we've got some painter in the carpet. Sorry, the paint out. And I'm like, guys, I just thought like, well, you could just stay if you want. We can watch Sean Mendez together for the night or just like, sit and watch the thing go home.
Wouldn't be great to have, I mean, this is the thing with when you start. Drinking. It's like a second where you see the benefit, like the benefits in just like making it easy for people. Right. Um, but so I, um, I got out of the pain a bit there. I could tell. Uh, Mason, wasn't into it. As much as I was like, come on, just be honest.
Do you want to go home? He's like, yeah. Yeah. I think, yeah, it was Tuesday night. This what I was saying to them, I was like, guys, it feels like Friday night going, anytime you drink, it feels like you're thinking it's ready to fire. Yeah. Just going out. And so I get the idea. I understand in that moment, because then they left and then I went back out to the kitchen and the pantry.
No, it was put away in libraries. I put it away back into the cupboard and I was like, but then I feel fine because the thing is, I I'd like. Got the piano out and I'd gotten dark chocolate out. Like I was ready to send it. So I think it was, I think it was a good outcome. And so you didn't send it and it was all put away and we watched Sean there's no, we still want Sean Mendez tried to work out.
And how many cameras they were filming the concert with that sort of fun stuff. And then him went to bed. Yeah. I mean, that sounds. Sounds like an appropriate Tuesday night after you've been to a wine bar. I mean, but this is the thing opening the door is a problem for a lot of people in any area. And so it is the fine balance of there's something I really get out of stopping something for a whole month.
It's like those challenges stopping something really. Allows me to look at how, how my body or what I am thinking, like put yourself in the position of not being able to do something. And then you start thinking certain ways or observing patterns within you, your emotions, or just feelings. When you, you, you habits, you start being able to identify it habits.
The problem is when you're in the middle of it all and not everyone has the ability to just. Or they even want to do that to take a month off. I don't know. That's I need that sort of framework to be able to see it or see it as a challenge for myself or, you know, um, test my, my willpower, but then there's other things that are way less destructive and that are just as fun hiking going on.
Big walks. That's fine. On a sunny day. So the problem, what I'm, what we're talking about is. Habits or something that is super easy. The barrier to entry is low, open your mouth, pour the wine in, and it's a drug that completely affects your state. And so as much as me training yesterday, I was like, fuck, I w I was running and fucking squatting and pushups.
And I'm like, man, I'm like, okay. That pain or that sort of, I feel like there's, if, if you were watching the internals, there's some kind of spray of a chemical, like an endorphin. This is what happens when you exercise endorphins are released, but I could literally feel it. It's like a, and I could feel this, the spray, the feeling, my head.
And I was like, Oh, this feels fucking amazing, which I know because I've trained a lot in my life, but I was like, my point being is that that's an action that has to. Take a heap of at this point for me, because it's not a baked in habit every morning I have been doing for the last three years, which, you know, I haven't been doing exercise every morning for the last bunch of years to be able to make it this habitual thing that I just go to.
Whereas the other things, JJ is so easy. Yeah, there is. Yeah. I mean, the thing is you can see how coffee, I think that, that it was crazy. Like last night, the experience I had was an experience of moderation and I actually enjoyed it just as much. And I think that part of it is not to put everything on the bike, but I think that maybe having exercised it's all this it's like, it's the Keystone habit to then.
Line, like, you're like, okay, if I know that I'm going to have to, you know, because, uh, Ashley, my trainer, she says, okay, like, you're probably feeling what you've eaten. Like after like three days ago, like this is, this will affect how you feeling. And so, um, well I think there was a lot to do with Mason knocking you back from drinking.
Yeah. It's my spray putting the wine away. Yeah, I think, um, yeah, and I think that was, I think that was the right thing to have enablers around you, which this is the problem I used to. It was all, it's always looking to team up with somebody, especially when you're partying. It's like who's up for fucking and pushing it until 4:00 AM.
And you want to be around those people. If that's what your intentions are. It's not it's destructive, but it's, and it's no good. There's nothing good happens after 1:00 AM, then you don't want to be the mate. So with service being like, I don't want to drink as much. I don't want to be the guy that's the antithesis of his thing.
Right? Like if you're trying to get off drugs, you don't hang out with your junky mates. Exactly. So I've got to stop being the junkie mate. Well, yeah, we're all on our own. Path. And so you see how you've got to work it out for yourself because it's actually not the other person's fault. So if you. So for me, I gotta take whole responsibility if I'm hanging around people and I'm drinking more than I should be, but I don't want to be like, I'm the only one who can really stop that.
And I'm going to talk to you about heroin or ice here. It's like, there's a different ball game. I think so much is out the window. I'm talking about basic things. That you just want to live a different type of life and friends or doing something else doesn't mean you have to do it, but that's all on me that control.
I have to, if I don't have the ownership, it's not in your hands because you're just doing you. I don't feel like I am influenced I'm influenced by a bunch of things. I don't think it's necessarily the people around me. I don't think, like, I don't think like the thing was that. In that moment where I've got the Pino, I'm the only one who's influencing me.
And so that's your, I know that's you though. And so maybe that is what you wanted to do, basically. So I still got the exact same thing. I think it was like the perfect balance, to be honest, I think that this, like, Because it's not drinking. I drink twice a week, maybe like a midweek thing and then maybe a Friday or a Saturday.
Yeah, that's really it. But it's it's so it's the, you, it's the thing that you started drinking, which then can lead you into. The other stuff, as in like, you're just drinking more or for a lot of people, they don't plan on doing cocaine, but as soon as they've had three, four beers, they're like, let's get a bag of cocaine.
That's how it fucking works. Trust me. There's memes about it, videos about it. It is so true. I've been there. It's like years and years ago. It was like, but it's the, it's not the gateway, but it's the. It's what the alcohol does to you. So you dropped, so you probably hadn't thought if you'd planned out a night of like, we're going to wine bar, we're going to come back to mind kick on it's Tuesday night, we're going to watch a D like, you'd be like, Oh, that seems a bit much.
it'd be like, look guys, I've, I've put it in the calendar. It's a five 30 til. 1:00 AM. Um, everyone. Exactly, exactly. It, it seems too much. I mean, who plans on going out for eight hours? If I like it, I've been out. I mean difference when you've launched and you're doing 24 hours out in the town. But even when you just go and hang out, like Amy was always so blown away that I'd go and hang out with conspiracy Jimmy for six, seven hours drinking beers.
And she'd be like, that's like, that's a fucking work day. That is. Uh, for a lot of hours, what the hell are you guys talking about? Abe, conspiracies, everything, everything, but it's easy to do and the time flies and next minute, but so bring it back to your reason why we don't sort of get into it. Um, walking bushwalking or whatever, whatever you say that, try watching hiking.
It's a much harder. You don't have the habit instilled at this moment. B uh, you'd create it right. You could be like, Oh, let's like, mid-week walk. Let's like walk somewhere. I think that would be good. I mean, it needs probably more than that. It's like people who do rock climbing, um, you can, because the only real lifestyle like their hands listening to, um, Joe Rogan, uh, had this girl, Emily, who was a pro rock climber.
I'm good mates with Alex Honnold uh, on his, on his show. Her name is Emily Harrington. She's a. For like a, a pro rock climber. She's been doing it for 12, 15 years or something. She's young though, but she's, um, you know, got sponsors and done some of the trickiest climbs in the world and doesn't climb with outer rope like Alex, but does the next thing in line.
Um, but she was just talking about how it is such a lifestyle. Like it's this. It's this thing that it's just you're thinking about. And shit, first time she started, she just was like, the thing is she had some skill and she recognized that she was good at it, which then fueled this thing. It's like, Oh my God, I don't want to do any of the other shit I want to do.
I want to do, I want to stop everything and I want to just rock climb and, and there's something about those kinds of people that. It becomes such a lifestyle it's like surfing. I haven't, I can see how I, how I could easily get into that lifestyle of chasing waves. But it's, I would say, I mean there's a little bit, yeah.
This is a little bit of a gap. I need to not have to think so much about my career and what I want to do for work. Like some people do, they just literally, they don't have a job or they don't let you take part-time work. But their main thing is surfing, even though they don't become professionals. And so at that point, In my mind, I can't do that.
I couldn't do something because I'd be like, what, what about the other stuff that I want to achieve? I'm sorry. Sarah Lee. You who? She does like surf photography. That's her whole thing is based around like where the good surf is super. So good. Like thinking about this Emily girl, doing rock climbing, as I imagine, like she's sponsored, right.
All that means is she needs to do some social media stuff. She's I don't say that you have to, she, that she says that it's encouraged, but imagine that like, think about something in your life that you love. And if you didn't have to think about anything else and you just got to do that, that's the trap though.
I think when you think that that's where you're going to land, it's like for us, this podcast being the only thing we do, um, kind of like single, single focus is nice. It is nice. But do you think it's achievable for most? Is it a pipe dream? Is it the unicorn approach? What do you think? I think it's hard because I think that the opposite is always true as well.
So I think that you hear like, you know, no plan B just focus on the one thing saying no is actually pathetic, everything else, you know, like just say yes to things you want to do. Um, but there's all these other factors too. Like maybe your dream, like you dream is true, your dream is possible, but it's just the timing of when it all happens.
And so if you, would you forego the potential of long-term success of your dream for shorter? Sort of, I guess part of it is like you can over bake something really early and then be like, ah, it doesn't work and put your hands up where it's like, no, actually your dream is going to come true. It's just not going to happen in fucking a year or two years.
It's a 10, 15, 20 year thing. And so, yeah. Um, And the specific way you think it is. Right? So that Emily goes like, I've got self doubt. She's like, I don't know. I sometimes think, why the fuck am I here? Like, why am I a professional rock climber self-doubt. And so at the point, so when you think about single focus, that's my dream.
It's like. Maybe it's my, there's a version of it being a dream. So it's just thoughts in your head, not to say that you can't do a version of it, but the way you see it might not necessarily be how it works for you. So this podcast, we make money. Sometimes if you were like, stop you at the Christmas parties or fucking family Christmas, we make money.
Sometime if you can't talk to somebody that has been able to. work out how to just do that. Nothing else. And literally that's all they're focused about, but then you, then, then what about when you were faced with the version of now you actually have to have a whole other business as well, and have a heap going on to get to where you want to go, because then you would resent.
That approach, if you were completely thinking about the other way, not to, but that's not to say to give up on the thought of just doing one thing and that's it, but there is also gauging your surroundings and your situation to say is. Is it, do you want to have to get there a different way? And the answer is probably yeah, there, it's just maybe not exactly how you thought in your mind, but there is a version.
And so that's where comparison. I think I've got so much better at, and I feel the trap of saying. And feeling the comparison to looking at others, but I just don't think I dive into it as much, but it's so destructive looking at other people and how they've done it or what they've just launched or the business that they're creating or the people that they're sort of knocking about with.
Cause then you just, you feel so shit. Cause it's not your reality. That's their trip. You're on your own. I think that part of it too, is the I'm enjoying the process. So I think that part of it is that. For some reason the destination, or we have this perceived destination. So we can say like for someone who wants to be, you know, a top tier film director, they might see themselves in Hollywood.
They might see themselves at the premiere of their, you know, big feature film. But the thing is that there's all of these smaller steps that are going to happen way sooner that we can sometimes disregard, or we find it hard to focus on it. And so I think for me, it's about trying to look closer at the small steps.
I even think that with like health. Like I look at, especially when you have trainers or whatever, like looking at like, even I catch myself in the moment where I'm like, you see someone who's just like, they've been doing something for such a long time. And so this story and the head is so strong and it's so easy when you're at the start.
Of you journey of everything to look at the people that you like, you look at the instructors level, fuck. Like they're putting a lot into this. Like I'm not going to be that, but there is like, there are shades. It's a gradient, everything's a gradient. And so you don't have to be like to get my, one of my favorite quotes.
I think it was in, um, cadence, uh, the book by, um, Pete Williams. I think it was three pumps. Is prime. All great book title? No. So cadence talks about like, It uses this analogy of a bike shop around how to get business, not something very bike heavy at the moment, but, um, I read this a couple of years ago, but he talks about you need to make a dollar before you can make $10 and $10 before you make a hundred dollars and a hundred before a thousand and thousand before you make 10,000.
And the problem is that. For most people, myself included be very tempting to be like, skip all that shit. Fucking, I don't like the $10 thing doesn't excite me. Let's get to the 10,000 hundred thousand million, whatever it is. And the thing is, if you look at growth, if you even look. Uh, you know, Matt D Valor, a bunch of different YouTubers.
It's like, there's a heap of time where they're not getting any views. They're not getting it. They're not making that much money off it. And so that is part of the process. And I think that, unfortunately the reason why most people don't do things. And the reason I don't do things is because it's like, it's, uh, it's really hard.
It's even like reading books. It's like, you need to actually just enjoy the process of page by page reading the book. Rather than some fucking goal of like speed reading to try and like optimize, optimize, optimize. I mean, if you go all these optimization, that's like your thing, then that's a bit different, but the person that's still dreaming of themselves on the red carpet in Hollywood at the premiere of their own film, thinking about all the pain that's going to.
Be involved, just human experience. Like that's just, it involves pain to even get there. And so when you think, fuck how many times in life have you got to a moment where it is the moment of celebration you, but then you like. You've lost that feeling. It doesn't feel like you thought it would. And you have, you're like, I'm actually coming down with this little cold before this premier, like the worst time ever.
And I'm like, Oh no, this is so annoying. And, and then it's like, you're just looking forward again to something different, but you're right. The process. If you can, if you can navigate all that pain, navigate all the great moments as well and the pressure and. Everything that comes with trying to create or achieve something then that then that's more real than the end game.
Then the destination is what you're saying. Let's think about the biggest musicians in the world. They love the process they love. Like if you watch, whether it's Taylor Swift, Sean Mendez, Katy Perry, any of those documentaries, lady Gaga, any of them are in bays. Justin Bieber. Yeah. If you, if you, uh, Watch any of them, the thing is it's like, it's all about the craft.
It's all about that. It's, it's actually, you know, the, the stadium shows the standing in front of, you know, 50,000 people that is part of the job, but the actual work is closed doors, sitting in a room, writing, working on craft. I think that that's what, and hopefully like you hear, when you hear young people.
Like so many young people talk about, you know, they want to be a YouTube star, but it's like what? And obviously we've all had that. We've all had versions of that growing up, but I want, there will be a few that understand understands what that actually means. It's like, ah, I need to get really good at my craft.
I need to understand audience. I need to get good at marketing. Um, but it's the majority of people in the world and me included for 99% of the things that I do. I am looking at the shiny object and not thinking about it from a process perspective, 100%. And yeah, that's the hardest thing to do. Yeah. The hardest thing to do is to look at the process because it's not sexy.
It's not, um, and that's like, that's the Nordic bike. Is that sexy? Yeah. No, I mean, that's the thing. It's like a, um, It's painfully annoying, but a lot of fun, but like, I think that, yeah, I think that it's like entering into like, I'm so grateful that I'm like in the most uncomfortable thing. Like, so this is very uncomfortable for me, but I'm like, I have created the most comfortable version of my uncomfortable.
And so there's literally no excuses because like, I don't have to worry about cars. I don't have to, like, I've got a fucking fan on me. It's just like, and so there is the, um, you know, but, but it's still the funny thing is that the sexiness of getting it and thinking about it is like actually like the pain and the, the reality that when you have to get off the saddle and you're like moving around your fucking hips hurt and it's like, it's burning.
But that's like, that's the point? That's like the, that's the, I think the part of it is that, um, we do a good job of looking at something and saying a very clear. Destination. And then we see any barrier or any pain or anything as stopping us from getting closer. But I think that what I'm trying to do, and this is what Seth Godin talks about in the practice.
This is in, you know, so much around creativity. It's like that moment, that resistance, that sort of, um, that pain is actually the sign that progress is being made. Um, and so when, and I think that's for me where it's like on the bike last time I mentioned in the back of the upside, um, when I'm, when I'm, when I'm riding, I'm thinking, okay, this hurt, but that's actually good because I had a moment where I'm like, Oh, you know what?
Maybe I'll do like a more scenic, like fact, like, is this going to be Hills again? I don't want to Hills. It's like, why am I doing it? Like, if I end up just doing these long flat rides, it's like super easy. It's just like, it's a cop-out. And so it's like, yeah, I think that we all need to be like, okay, what is the, um, What's the pain in the process to expect and to get excited about because it's an indicator that you're making progress, lean in Hackney and lean into the pain.
When you identify it, it's like, what's the thing you don't want to do today that you're avoiding. It's probably the thing you should do. It's all it's to the mechanic, by the way. Should more booked in the service. I just got a calendar invite, so I kind of did I appreciate it. Um, uh, Alrighty. Well, uh, it's a daily talk show.
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