Game Show Host Ryan Jon

Tommy: The Daily Talk Show, episode 306, and the only one more colourful than our roadcaster is our guest, Ryan John.

Ryan: Thank you very much for having me. It's the first time I've seen you fire off the opener from the desk. I love it.

Josh: It's exciting.

Tommy: Hey, we've got a radio studio, it's just not in a big building that you're used to.

Ryan: One thing I've learned the last few years, you don't need a radio station or studio to make great radio.

Tommy: I thought you were going to say it's Size doesn't matter.

Ryan: Size does also not matter.

Tommy: Uh, you are, for anyone watching, wearing one of the most colourful jackets I've ever seen.

Ryan: Yeah, I texted you earlier. I just got my phone out to reread it. I said, my friend Ryan, the world's most fabulous business consultant, will be joining for today's episode to advise the partners of big media company.

Josh: And you've rocked up in— what you're wearing is a sequins jacket. Yeah.

Ryan: How many different coloured sequins do you think there are?

Tommy: 4, 5? 6. I reckon there's 6.

Josh: It's a beautiful light blue, purple, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.

Ryan: It's a beautiful number. I was at a, um, a gay wedding on the weekend. That's why I'm back over here. And they said instead of buying us a present, use that money to buy yourself the most fabulous outfit ever. So during the day and the formalities, we all wear like a proper suit, and then it got to about 7 and they're like, all right, everyone go change. Yeah. And so I got this and I had the shorts to go with it.

Josh: Yeah.

Ryan: And then I thought I'm never going to wear this ever again until I texted you earlier and said I'm coming on the show as a fabulous business consultant because I just want an excuse to wear it. So here we are.

Josh: What sort of coin did you drop on the outfit?

Ryan: Um, I actually bought two different outfits, so I changed at 7 PM into this and then changed again at 3 AM into one of the most horrific things ever. I think this and the shorts combo was maybe $100.

Josh: Yeah, from what store?

Ryan: Uh, ASOS actually has a festival section.

Tommy: Interesting.

Ryan: So if you go to ASOS, it's like formal wear, casual wear, streetwear, basic festival. Yeah, basic bitches and festivals. And I was like, yep, thank you.

Tommy: You're flying back to Perth tonight.

Josh: Yep.

Tommy: Are you gonna rock that on the plane?

Ryan: Uh, no, I might wear the other thing that I wore, which was, um, I got a bunch of nudes in there. I got a onesie which is only the faces of the guys.

Josh: What print shop? I'm seeing— I'm always curious as to where people get these things. Did you go to a store online.

Ryan: So basically it's just their two faces, the two guys who got married, amazing, in a onesie. And it almost didn't arrive on time, and I said to a friend, I don't think it's going to make it. And they must have assumed it was like a tie or a jacket. They're like, oh, you'll get another opportunity.

Tommy: Quick question, is this— was this a legal wedding? Like, it's actually— yeah, yeah. Fuck it.

Ryan: I don't know if you were here for the plebiscite.

Tommy: There was a— there's a lot of hoorah going on.

Josh: Shit takes time.

Tommy: But I was wondering, so it's—

Josh: it's—

Tommy: yeah, so it actually goes through on a piece of paper? Yeah.

Josh: Well, I was going—

Ryan: Josh and I could actually—

Tommy: I'm already married, I can't marry someone But Mr. 97 and Josh could go to the office in the city and get officially married.

Josh: Did you notice any difference between—

Tommy: He's not buying into my argument.

Josh: A same-sex—

Ryan: Well, he values marriage. He's not some throwaway with Mr. 97.

Josh: Is there any differences that a same-sex marriage brings other than a lot of flair?

Ryan: Well, I don't want to typecast gay weddings for the one I was just at because we went all out, obviously. But I've— and my friends aren't disturbed by what you're supposed to do at a wedding. So there's, I guess there's all these things that you just assume that's what you have to do. Yeah. And they were like, well, we're not going to do anything we don't want to do. So the actual formalities were 10 or 15 minutes.

Josh: Oh great.

Ryan: Um, was quick, fun, uh, it was quite beautiful. I cried like audibly, like almost sobbing, because these guys have been together for 13 years and have been my best friend. That's like, there's a good chance this wedding was just never going to happen.

Tommy: Yeah.

Ryan: And to think they thought we might not ever get married and Um, Phil, one of the guys, he's a tradie. His dad's a tradie and he's a really old-school Aussie dad. Yeah, I don't know what— I'll probably even choke up saying this now, but when this old-fashioned Aussie dad stands up and just says how proud of his son he is and like welcomes Liam to the family, we were just like, oh God, please tell me he was wearing one of what you're wearing. Nah, but he did, he did dress up a little bit. But, um, yeah, it was pretty much just a massive party and that group of friends are heavy partiers. I think we finished up at 9 AM on Sunday. So it was 3 PM with the formalities, uh, 7 PM with the speeches, and we finished up at 9 the next morning. Yeah, I think I've also got mascara on.

Tommy: You've, uh, your eyes are fairly bloody beautiful.

Ryan: But, uh, yeah, so that was the weekend and it was great. Um, but like I said, there'd be some pretty traditional same-sex weddings, I would assume.

Tommy: So there's one thing the gays know how to party. That's a typecast that you kind of want.

Ryan: It's a good typecast.

Tommy: Yeah, fucking oath.

Ryan: It was incredible. And like, I haven't been to too many weddings where I've brought multiple outfit changes and everyone was like, I didn't stand out. For people watching on YouTube saying this jacket, I was pretty dull compared to some of the— really, a lot of skin. I saw a lot of things that I didn't probably need to see, but I did and I loved it.

Josh: What happened? Like, so 9 AM is when it finishes. Does it? AM, that's what you said, wasn't it?

Ryan: That's when the last people were like, I think we're done.

Josh: What time were you done? Yeah.

Ryan: Oh, I was—

Josh: when were you done and when did you leave?

Ryan: Yeah, that's good. Um, I think last time I was at this venue, I, I was a 10 AM but this time I was probably done by 4 or 5.

Tommy: There's nothing good that's going on after 3 AM, after 2 AM.

Ryan: Because I had to drive, I like had to travel there for a while. So by the time I got there, I was exhausted. I'm like, I can't keep up with this.

Tommy: Where, it was in Lorne or something?

Ryan: In between Lorne and Apollo Bay. So this huge property on the Great Ocean Road looking over the water. And everyone went to the beach for sunrise at 6 AM.

Josh: Oh, so nice. But everyone's like still at the party at that point. They just like—

Ryan: Well, the property was on the beach.

Josh: Oh, so nice.

Ryan: It's a 100-meter walk down. I mean, by 6 AM, that's not very like— the party's in this room, not that room. It's just people straggling around.

Tommy: The party's in the toilet.

Ryan: It's just wherever you end up, it's happening.

Josh: How many people were there?

Ryan: Probably 100 or so.

Josh: Fuck, yeah, that's a big event. Are you, you know, if one day you were to get married, are you a guy that would have a big wedding?

Ryan: Nah. And people find this really strange, like, I work on the radio, but on the clothes— this is going to sound weird wearing this jacket, but I, I hate the thought sort of standing there and having all those people look at me. Yeah, I think like if I'd happily MC a wedding, I've MC'd heaps of weddings, that's heaps of fun. But being in the wedding, oh, it is, it is good.

Tommy: Like, it's not something that I, I don't want it. I didn't really feel like it was one thing that I was like, oh, I didn't have the opinion you did, but I also wasn't going, I can't wait to be in front of all these people. You're in this zone though, that's the best thing about it. It's like you locked eyes with your partner and It's just like, you're in this world and you're like, fucking, you know, it's like when you, I'd struggle looking into your eyes and holding it there. Would I actually? I am right now. But you know what I mean? Your partner, you're so close. You're like, it's almost like you're having dialogue without talking and you know what that dialogue is. And so as you're up there, it's like kind of like in this little world, all these people are watching. It's a weird experience.

Ryan: Yeah. Well, I think if Bridget and I, and we will get married at some stage, but I reckon we'll just sort of sneak off and do it and then just have a big party. Yeah, because again, the formalities and stuff, it's just so— I don't know, I've just never been a big— yeah, marriage. My parents like weren't married, so I've never grown up— like, it just doesn't really mean much to me. But yeah, if I want to be married to Bridget, we'll sign the docs and then just have a big party and wear probably stupid clothes like this.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah.

Josh: How often are you leaving Perth at the moment, like flying?

Ryan: Uh, it's March now and I think I've come back 4 times to see Bridget.

Tommy: So yeah, oh, you're doing long distance? We haven't— was, was that— we mentioned last time you're on the show.

Ryan: Yeah, I don't know.

Tommy: Oh yeah, we spoke to you on the phone.

Josh: Fuck.

Ryan: Yeah, I was trying to lose my job by bagging out radio stations on this podcast.

Josh: Did you get any pushback from anyone?

Tommy: Close at all?

Ryan: Surprisingly, you guys don't have a huge listenership, so lucky.

Josh: Specifically in that industry.

Tommy: Mr. 97, please send this to his programme director.

Ryan: That's a radio today. Yeah, yeah, get an article. Oh yeah, no, but so I live in Perth. My partner Bridget just got a new job and moved back to Melbourne, or just outside of Melbourne, so I come back every 3 or 4 weeks.

Tommy: It's expensive.

Ryan: It's expensive, um, but I don't know, it's worth it. We just got a dog called BJ.

Tommy: You got—

Josh: just got BJ?

Ryan: Yeah, I don't know what it stands for, uh, because we got him from a farm and we're like, what's it stand for? They're like, I don't know, we just call him BJ. Oh, they named—

Josh: they call him—

Tommy: and they also call him Peanut Butter Boy.

Josh: Yeah, I didn't know you could get BJs while doing long distance. This is a new thing.

Tommy: Bodhi, my son's initials are BJ.

Josh: Mr. 97 loves that.

Ryan: He's a BJ.

Tommy: He's a BJ. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like I just remember growing up with this tough guy in the neighbourhood who was BJ. So when it came to, you know, blowjob, it was like you would never call him blowjob. Yeah, he'd beat the shit out of you.

Ryan: Well, our Kelpie's a softie and he's a bit of a dork, so, uh, there's no good—

Tommy: there's no good blowjob on us with the softie.

Ryan: Yeah, I wouldn't have thought so.

Josh: Where does— where does BJ live?

Ryan: He lives with Bridget. Okay, out in Great Western, uh, a small little town.

Josh: Was there any discussion of you potentially getting BJ, or was always No, Bridget's always wanted a dog and it's just been tricky.

Ryan: Like, we've always— we've been in apartments or we've had like 3 months left of a job and we didn't know if we're gonna still be in town. So it's always been a good excuse not to get one. And Bridget's like, stuff it, I'm just doing it. I think it was more to keep her company a little bit.

Tommy: I was gonna say, is it like safety? She can't—

Ryan: well, she said, I want it to be safe. Like, you know, I just want a dog in the house to scare people.

Tommy: You know, she's a lady that she's not going to leave you because she's found someone else to keep it going. She's got PJ.

Ryan: His job is to scare scare off all those hot attractive farmer boys who's trying to slice that. But I went and met BJ the other day. I'd never met him before and Bridget wasn't home from work yet.

Josh: Yeah.

Ryan: And I walked in and this so-called guard dog just walked straight over to me, start licking me, and was like my best friend straight away. I'm like, if someone breaks into this house, there's no way he's scaring them off.

Josh: Yeah, maybe he knew it was you or have been FaceTiming with him. You see, it could be. I was actually wondering, a friend of mine, uh, her kid was really friendly with Brie my girlfriend, right? And the reason that I think it is, is because I was really around our friend while she was pregnant, and I feel like my voice has a familiarity, and now it might move on to Bree. It's because Bree and I are so close.

Ryan: Well, I hope that's true because I've spent a lot of time like whispering sweet nothings into pregnant people's bellies who I really barely know.

Tommy: I think it's Mr. 97, look it up.

Josh: What does he actually look good for?

Tommy: Knowing the, um, babies familiar with parents' voices in the womb. Because yeah, I was talking to Amy's belly heaps.

Josh: I think it could be a thing. Like, I was wondering, I was really testing the rapport, like, using my voice a lot to see if it sort of swayed him.

Ryan: Do you know them well?

Josh: Yeah, it didn't, it didn't sway him as much, but he really liked Bree, and so I tried to take a little bit of the shine.

Ryan: Yeah, exactly.

Tommy: There's something about having the power over something like a dog, like when you're the owner owner, you know, get it to be in power of it. No, this— but I'm just saying, it's one of the, the perks of like being able to tell something what to do. You can't really—

Ryan: BJ will not be told, he's an idiot.

Tommy: Really?

Josh: Yeah.

Ryan: I'm like, don't jump on me, I'm watching the TV. Straight on top.

Josh: Inside dog or outside dog?

Ryan: Started outside, then Bridget came to letting him in the lounge. Yeah. And then slowly went from the lounge floor to like, all right, just get on the couch for a little bit. And now I'm pretty sure he sleeps Next to her in the bed.

Tommy: Oh, next will be under the sheets in the bed. And then you'll be like Mr. 97 showering with the dog.

Ryan: The dog was in the room while showering was happening. That was the thing.

Tommy: Well, he gets in the shower with the dog to clean the dog.

Josh: That's how he cleans the dog.

Tommy: And he's nude.

Ryan: I think that's fair. I actually think that's fair enough because if you tried to wash the dog fully dressed, you'd end up with all your clothes soaked. You might as well just get up in there and like, you're not staying dry when you're cleaning the dog.

Tommy: Go outside. There's, um, car, like, car wash joints now have dog wash areas.

Josh: Oh no, that's cool.

Tommy: Yeah, that's, uh, you have to pay for the water.

Ryan: We've got a bath.

Tommy: He doesn't need this at home, mate.

Ryan: Uh, the house in Great Western that we have where Bridget lives, um, we didn't know when we got it, but it has a bath in the backyard.

Josh: Really?

Ryan: It looks like maybe like an old tool chest, or like it's kind of— imagine a coffin shape sort of thing. Yeah, it has a big sort of— yeah, actually it's pretty much like a coffin, but like a corrugated iron outside. And we just lifted it up to see, or maybe that's where they keep firewood, or it's like, that's where the mulch is or something. We lift it up and it's a full proper bath, hot water connected.

Tommy: Really?

Ryan: Got the shower outside and stuff.

Josh: Is it designed for—

Ryan: I've seen photos on your Instagram of like a getaway type place.

Tommy: It was in a bathtub in a place called Bathurst. And it was like this huge bathtub. We lifted it and we heated it up with water from the stove.

Ryan: Oh, this is all connected, but it's still out the back. So you can sit out the back, look out over the mountains, over Halls Gap and stuff. Stuff.

Tommy: Is it a rental? Yep.

Ryan: That's about it. Yeah, although I reckon we might, we might try and snag that one. We like it.

Josh: How many times does that actually happen, do you think? Someone goes from renting a place and then going and buying it?

Ryan: I reckon, well, look, property investors are just that, investors. So if the price is right and they're looking to, you know, diverse or whatever.

Tommy: Yeah, if you lease, if you've leased it, it's because it's either, it's probably an investment. Well, where are you living if you're not? If it's not something you've bought.

Josh: As in like you have it?

Tommy: Yeah, so they're probably like, ah, if it's the right time. You just gotta get people at the right time.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: You've bought a few properties.

Ryan: Yeah, and you just go and snake 'em.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Snake 'em, what does that mean?

Ryan: If they need to sell quick and you—

Josh: Oh, okay, yeah, sure.

Ryan: Going low, bro.

Josh: Actually, Leon Shergren, that was his tactic.

Tommy: Leon the snake.

Ryan: I was talking to him before that, I was like, mate, you snake 'em hard. If they say a number, you say no. If they wanna sell it, that means they wanna sell it.

Josh: Do you have any tips in regards to, you know, you are playing—

Tommy: Snaking people?

Ryan: Snaking people.

Josh: Yeah, snaking people. How do you snake? Um, well, the Ombudsman. Mention the Ombudsman.

Ryan: Oh, I mentioned that. Can I talk about that on here?

Josh: Yeah.

Ryan: So when I worked at National Australia Bank, they told us if anyone mentions the Ombudsman, just give them whatever they want.

Tommy: And should you know, international viewers, listeners, NAB have been in some of the most trouble when it comes to the Royal Commission in Australia when it comes to banking.

Ryan: Well, I think even if they're right, yeah, if it goes to the Ombudsman, it costs them a couple of grand in fees. So they're like, look, if it's going to cost us 2 grand in fees and you're disputing 800 bucks, just give me—

Tommy: Really? How do you— I think these Link, the snaking, the ombudsman— how do you do it without lying?

Ryan: Well, like, how you got the house in Canberra, these people who were selling it, and they built this beautiful home, we loved it, it was like 2 years old, and we knew they were moving into their new house in 3 weeks and they just needed to sell it. And so the first opening was on a Saturday, and I said, I'll come around Wednesday for a look. So they just gave me a private viewing, and I just gave them the cheque and was like, if you accept it right now, I'll buy it tomorrow. And knowing that if they had an inspection and they were going to have an auction like 3 weeks later, I was like, they're under the pump.

Josh: Yeah.

Ryan: So I'm like, here's the check, you can take it right now and I'll have it tomorrow.

Tommy: I'm just imagining you in this jacket.

Josh: Yeah, absolutely.

Ryan: So I rocked up in my fabulous jacket.

Tommy: They'd be like, fucking, all right, I can't see the cheque but I'll take it.

Josh: How did you work out how much to pay?

Ryan: Well, I thought it was worth about $30 grand more than what we paid, so I just went, uh, it's probably worth about this. I know they're desperate, so I'll just go low and see what they say. And the power of having the cheque in the hand and saying, we'll sign tomorrow. Versus if you say, oh, you know, a lot of people like, oh, we're looking to buy, but we have to sort out the financing. If it's a 60-day settlement, we're like, it's a 24-hour settlement. The money's here, yes or no? And they're like, uh, fuck yeah.

Josh: Oh, it's like fucking Eddie Maguire or what? It's got very much—

Ryan: I just wanted the house. I was like, if more people get to see this house, they're all gonna want it as well 'cause it was so nice.

Josh: But you can't, if you're feeling that way, do you think they get the sense of, In one area it's a power move of like, man, take the check. But it's also the other side, which is like, just take the check.

Ryan: Yeah, like they could have been power moving me.

Josh: Yeah, like you always take—

Tommy: that's any kind of bartering or exchange. There's always one, like it's a power game, right?

Ryan: There was a power play within the power play now that I remember it. So I think we, I said about $5,000 less than I wanted to pay.

Josh: Yeah.

Ryan: But I was like, and it had like something like this, what's called a butcher's block. Oh yes, it was really nice.

Tommy: I've actually seen the photo of the house when you were there.

Ryan: Yeah, yeah, so it's this beautiful butcher's block. And so I—

Josh: for cutting meat?

Ryan: Um, well, it's just, it became our kitchen table, like, but yeah, it's—

Tommy: you know the one at my house? You're the one at my house, Josh? The one from IKEA? It's like probably a lot cheaper than the one you've got.

Josh: So it's a butcher's block?

Tommy: It's like a big— it's a wooden top of a table. And so it's like, it was used for butchers back in the day.

Ryan: It was sort of the kitchen bench slash dining table slash— that's where we spent all our time. And because it's not fixed to the house, but it looks so perfect because the guy that built the kitchen built the butcher's block. So I took a little bit off what I was going to offer and said, oh, I'd love to have that table as well if I could keep it. And they went, oh, we'll have to push the price up. And I was like, yep, that's what I thought you'd say. And I factored that in. Really?

Josh: Did you say $5K? Did you do the full amount?

Ryan: Essentially pay $5K for that table. Yeah, but, um, like I said, good negotiation. Well, I got a free table.

Tommy: Did you take it?

Ryan: I was gonna pay this amount, you got a table, $5,000. Then I lowballed them.

Tommy: Depends on how you're looking at it. Yeah. Did you, um, take the table to your new place?

Ryan: No, we left it there.

Tommy: So it's—

Ryan: we still own it though.

Tommy: Okay, good. As long as no one's touched that table.

Ryan: It's the most expensive table of my life.

Tommy: So how do you, how do you do this negotiating without feeling like you're a liar? It's like when you go—

Ryan: I wasn't lying, I just wanted the house. They could have said no.

Tommy: But I guess, so when you go for a job and you— they say, how much you on? Yeah, what do you say?

Ryan: Whatever you're on plus 10 grand.

Tommy: Okay, so you're lying. No, but it's a— so that's where I think people battle. People battle with these situations.

Ryan: I've actually— thinking about now, all the new jobs I've got have sort of been with the same company, so if you lie, they're like, yeah, you just call your boss and ask. Um, but I know it's hard with negotiating. You have to be prepared to walk away.

Tommy: Yeah.

Ryan: So when I like went in and was like, take it or leave it, if they had said we'll leave it, then you have to then you can't be like, oh, well, actually, then you tell us. You kind of got to stick by it. And that happens in a lot of industries where people come in and go, I'm worth this much, pay it or I'm leaving. And they say no and you have to leave.

Josh: I got rid of Foxtel, which is like a cable here in Australia, because I tried that move where I'm like, look, yeah, if you can't lower this package, I'm just getting rid of it. I'm done, right? I'm done. And so Bree just wanted to like lower the price. She really loved Foxtel. I hung up and Bree goes, So what happened? I'm like, oh yeah, we're getting rid of Foxtel. She's like, what the fuck? What do you mean? How am I going to watch all the shows? I'm like, I don't know.

Ryan: When did this happen?

Josh: This was like a couple of years ago.

Ryan: Look, look, long term, who is the real winner there? Foxtel is dying.

Tommy: Yeah.

Ryan: And you run a media company. Yeah, exactly.

Josh: So who's media company?

Ryan: Yeah, you'll be a big media company, will be around a lot longer than Foxtel will be.

Tommy: Hopefully. Well, can you do that with like— it's the Barefoot Investor, he says you should call all your insurances and your home loan company and just go hard. Have you done that stuff?

Ryan: I've gone to a bank and said, nah, this is the interest rate we'll pay.

Tommy: And what did they say?

Ryan: They said yes too quickly, and I was like, damn, I should have gone lower. Really? Um, but another time I— yeah, I was buying a house and I had to go print off a bank statement, and I walked into a different bank and just said, oh, can you just print off my statement? I need to submit it.

Josh: Wait, a different bank to the bank?

Ryan: So I got the home loan with Commonwealth Bank.

Josh: Yeah.

Ryan: And my like day-to-day bank is Westpac. Sure. So I went into Westpac and was like, can you print off this statement? I need to give it to Commbank to prove what I earned. And they went, oh, you're buying a house? We'll beat it. Really? I was like, oh, like it's already done. Like, I just need to print this form off and I'm moving in tomorrow. And they're like, oh, you should have told us, because whatever they were doing, we would just would have beat it.

Tommy: Far out.

Josh: Really? That could— so you couldn't in that moment?

Ryan: Well, like I said, we're moving in the next day. It's already been done. But I think that was 2 years ago. But I keep hearing— I heard Scott Pape talk this morning that banks are really tightened up. But they're still competitive. Like, they want your money, you're a customer.

Josh: I've had— I've closed credit cards as well for the same thing where I'm like, unless I get zero, like, uh, zero fees. Yeah, because the fees can be pretty expensive. Like, we—

Tommy: Bri and I have account fees and shit.

Ryan: Yeah, well, the annual fee on the credit card.

Josh: Yeah, like the black— especially like when you go to those like frequent flyer ones. I think it was like $299 or something.

Ryan: You're going with those frequent flyer ones though?

Josh: Yeah, they're good. We're—

Tommy: we're— bro, he flew first class, like full bedroom. Bad to Europe doing the points stuff.

Ryan: Yeah, yeah, it feels right. I did that. I signed up to every credit card last year I could, and I haven't paid for a flight for a while.

Tommy: Yeah, so what, the anti-barefoot approach?

Josh: Are you, are you, uh, OneWorld? Are you Star Alliance? Qantas? So all OneWorld stuff?

Ryan: Is that OneWorld? Yeah, that's OneWorld. Yeah, yeah, but everything goes into that.

Josh: And so what's your plan? What are you going to actually use the points for? Have you worked it out?

Ryan: Uh, flying back and forth.

Josh: Yeah, okay.

Ryan: Um, to visit you guys and a little bit of my partner.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, well, we're closer to Melbourne than your partner, so We're in Melbourne.

Ryan: Yeah, well, last time, last year, I flew to Sydney twice, Melbourne twice, and to Bali once on points.

Tommy: All points.

Josh: Have you got status or no? No status.

Ryan: I mean, look at this jacket.

Tommy: Yeah, it doesn't matter.

Ryan: Status is a fraud though. Like, silver or gold or something, and it means like not much. Like, oh, you can line up over there, and I'm like, to get on the same plane? Like, what's the—

Josh: I got, I got super annoyed. I realised that I need to stop chasing the status thing while we're away.

Tommy: It's a metaphor for life though.

Josh: Yeah.

Ryan: It is, but I mean, don't get me wrong, you're still better than everyone else.

Josh: No, it was a— when I realised was when people were getting on the plane and they'd called only people with platinum or whatever, and other people started to line up, and I just had this moment where my first impulse was to scream at them, like, get out of the way!

Ryan: I've been accruing status points for years, get out of my line!

Josh: I've earned this! But I decided it has to be ego.

Tommy: Because I feel the same, like I love it when I'm with somebody who's got it.

Josh: I think it's the thing is like I feel like I've spent all this time, like all the credit cards and the fucking around, and then it feels like you have— yeah, it's like it's the equivalent of no one should get so obsessed about toasted sandwiches, but Virgin Australia, their lounge, they do toasted sandwiches. And so you end up buying into all the hype of every little bit, like when in reality we could buy a Jaffle Maker and have it and just like do it all at the airport.

Ryan: Yeah, I've been accruing points and I want that Jaffle to have the right cut of ham. I'm gonna fucking flip this joint.

Josh: I know. Yeah, you do become big— like frequent flyers is the big baby club essentially, isn't it?

Tommy: It's all big baby businessmen.

Ryan: Yeah, it totally works though. Like I now only fly Qantas. Yeah, because of some little— they, you know, I spent thousands of dollars to crew like a few points for something, I could have just used that money on flights.

Tommy: So what's the reality of opening all these credit cards? How many of you—

Ryan: like, I don't want to know.

Tommy: It'd have to be good.

Josh: It will get a hit every time you open up an account.

Ryan: It gets to a point where you can't have any more. So I now— I don't reckon I could get too many more without closing a few others down first. I still pay them all on— like, I never pay any interest. But yeah, there's a point where you can't just have huge credit cards everywhere.

Tommy: What's your, um, the video you made about this whole thing?

Ryan: Did you get anyone saying, 'Fuck, why are you telling people to get credit cards?' Yeah, lots, because I, well, I thought, 'Who's going to be interested in this topic?' So I just lobbed it into a Scott Pape appreciation group.

Josh: Did you really?

Tommy: No way.

Ryan: But it's one of those things, you really did that? Yeah, well, you got to put it in front of the people that want to see it.

Tommy: And Ryan John was the one who connected me with Scott Pape. That's how my connection with Scott—

Ryan: and he's now one of the great members of the the big media company, isn't he?

Josh: Yeah, yeah, client of big media.

Ryan: Well, you're welcome. I'm still waiting on a commission, but that's fine. Um, but I think, like I said in the video, and maybe we can post it somewhere for people to watch it, is that, um, there's ways you can win and there's ways you can lose. And what happens is people see how you can win, sign up, and then they do the dumb things and get caught. And I think the people in the Barefoot group and in general were like, you have to be strict and planned and disciplined to make it work for you because you can get sucked in.

Tommy: Well, the marketing from the company is the wins. They're not marketing how you lose in that whole equation.

Ryan: Yeah, they're not saying, oh yeah, but the annual fee comes around and that's where we make it up. Or they don't say, oh yeah, we give you this but then we charge you heaps of interest so we're still ahead. They don't tell you that, but it's the facts.

Josh: Have you ever used Afterpay? No, no, no, I haven't either.

Ryan: That's dangerous, isn't it?

Josh: Yeah.

Ryan: Bridget, um, my partner was in the shop the other day and went to buy something, and I know she saw a t-shirt and they're like, oh, it's $70. And she was like, I'm not paying $70 for a t-shirt. Like, we have $70 to our name, but she's like, I just— it's not worth $70 to me. And the shop assistant goes, oh, well, you can just put it on Afterpay. And it's like, no, I'm not saying I don't have it now, I'm saying that thing is not worth $70.

Tommy: Yeah.

Ryan: And the girl was like, yeah, but you just put it on Afterpay then.

Josh: You're like, wow.

Ryan: She— like, the person selling it was just like, oh, it just doesn't matter what it's worth, you just put it on Afterpay.

Tommy: Some of the most depressing statuses on the Barefoot Investor Facebook page. Like the, the forum. Yeah, just the, the debt that people have around those instant pay websites. What is there? There's another one like, um, Nimblet or something like that. Yeah, Zip Pay. Yeah, they're all, they're all very similar. I mean, my brother invested in Afterpay in the early days.

Ryan: How's he going?

Josh: As in he bought runners using Afterpay?

Tommy: No, no, he invested. His mate told him you should get on this and he did, and his mate, he's already seen dividends from his investment.

Ryan: Have you guys ever got a hot tip, not got on it, or got off it too soon and it's blown up?

Josh: I remember when I was a kid, um, we were at like a family friend's house and this guy was saying that he worked for a company that was about to be acquired by Microsoft in like the next few days. And I remember I would have been like 12 at the time. I just remember nagging at my dad. I'm like, Dad, 'Just put 30 grand down.' And like, we didn't have any money. Sure, I'll just buy you a jacket.

Tommy: Fabulous jacket.

Josh: Just like, just do it. Just like, Dad, I know, like, listen to what he's saying. Just put the 30 grand. I don't know whatever happened. I'm sure it was probably a scam.

Tommy: So a couple of my mates, you guys would know them, I'm not going to say their names because it's quite embarrassing, put 100— one put 150, another put 50. Into this thing where they had a tip-off. It's essentially insider trading though, unless it's— it is insider trading, but when is it classed? If you're not in the inside, you actually don't work for the company, when does it become insider trading? What's the definition of insider trading?

Ryan: Lots of missing 07 years, brothers of the CFO, and Roxy Jasenko's husband went to jail for a year for tipping off a mate or something. If you get caught, it's from—

Tommy: so I knew where this tip came from, and I don't know, he didn't work for the company. But these two dudes invested.

Ryan: It was distant enough.

Tommy: I watched the stock, so it did rise. It's probably from their input, their equity, but it's fucked. It's— I don't think it'll come back. It's like 20 cents. No, less.

Josh: And what was it?

Tommy: Oh, it was just some, some company.

Josh: But what if it was at 20 cents? Was it— it doesn't matter.

Tommy: No, not even. Like, I could probably find it. It's fucked. It's fucked. It's like maybe it got to 20 cents and went to 5 or something. Like they totally lost their money. All the people like my uncle, I remember invested in Telstra shares, they just bottomed.

Josh: Oh really?

Tommy: Well, this— I don't think they used to be at like $80 or $90 or something.

Ryan: Telstra?

Tommy: Yeah, they used to be really high. I mean, one of the things Josh and I have spent a good half an hour multiple times is just typing in the stock prices into Google, seeing— you can press it like year-to-date, lifespan, and we're all just there going, oh, look at that fucking curve, look at that increase. Oh, imagine it.

Josh: Yeah, I was gonna— yeah, it's always the— oh yeah, I was gonna invest this amount in this time.

Tommy: Yeah, it's like going to the horse races though and going, oh, I was gonna put my money on that.

Josh: Talking about the horse races, did you see the AFL player who threw a shoe?

Tommy: Who was it? Yeah, someone, Greater Western Sydney or something.

Josh: Yes.

Ryan: Yeah, and then the day after, he like— he's in intensive care right now.

Josh: Really?

Ryan: Geez, the day after.

Tommy: What happened to him?

Ryan: I think something happened.

Josh: I think he was hit, walked on glass or something.

Ryan: Really?

Tommy: He threw the shoe back.

Ryan: He had a big weekend.

Josh: He had it. Yeah, that's, that's not an ideal weekend. Maybe that's why everyone went quiet, but on Twitter people were slam— absolutely slamming him.

Ryan: Yeah, I think— I know people have just finished AFL. I don't know, that's a hard time in someone's life.

Tommy: Yeah. Oh, so he'd finished up his career?

Ryan: Oh, actually I'm not sure. Oh, he'd be at the age where he'd be close if he hasn't.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah. Well, he finished his career over the weekend.

Ryan: Well, if you're throwing a shoe drunkenly a week before round 1, you're probably not.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Uh, did you find it, Mr. 97?

Ryan: Uh, yeah, so the insider has to be either a director or senior officer of the company or an entity that owns more than 10% of voting shares.

Tommy: Really?

Ryan: So if it's low, if it's a low level, then it's— but I can roll in here and just say, oh, I just came from—

Tommy: the reality is it's there because most secondhand tips outside of that are probably shit house. Like, how many people are actually best mates with the CEO, getting the tip and then telling you. Yeah, not probably the case all the time, but that's where they know in advance what's going to happen.

Ryan: I want to know how much people got the early investors into Gimlet.

Josh: Oh yeah, sold Chris Sacker and all that.

Tommy: Like, he was one of the venture capitalists who he spoke to, 10x'd his money. That's all that's what they all want to do.

Ryan: $200 million Gimlet was sold to Spotify for. Is that what we're thinking for big media company? No, like they started out as just one podcast doing a thing and it just got sold for $200 $100 million. That's not crazy. Like, that just happened.

Tommy: Yeah.

Ryan: And you guys are doing the same.

Tommy: Well, I think that— so you got like Gimlet Media. So any company that is trying to get venture capital injection is essentially trying to sell out at some point. And, uh, Mark Bouris, that, uh, the mentor, he was— I went and saw him the other week and he was saying to thousands of people, he's like, you need an exit plan from day one. And what does that mean? He, it wasn't like work out the figure you're gonna sell for, but it's like have the exit plan of how you're gonna transition into doing something else, which means you need all your ducks in a row, which makes sense. He's like, you don't have to use your exit plan, but just knowing what your company's worth and knowing all your systems and everything in place, then you can act on it.

Ryan: I need to put an extra question then because I told you that the jacket's not just the front. I do have, I have prepared. Oh great, a quiz. Oh perfect.

Josh: Do you use Evernote?

Ryan: Do you I do use Evernote now.

Josh: Do you like Evernote?

Ryan: I do, and I'm just adding to it. Exit plan.

Tommy: Exit plan.

Josh: How often do you—

Ryan: Every day. I've run my life off— not my life, but my work life off Evernote.

Josh: I dreamed of doing that.

Ryan: I, uh, the people care about this.

Tommy: Dream big, bro.

Ryan: My dreams were for selling my company for $200 million. What about you? I just wanted a really well-planned app.

Josh: Yeah, no, definitely. Like Evernote, because Tim Ferriss is a note-taking fiend.

Tommy: No, dude, I jumped on Evernote when Tim Ferriss was vlogging it too. I got onto it, I was like, my workout plan, everything's gonna be here, I have all the data. And if you do use these things, they fucking work. The receipts, do you use?

Ryan: Sometimes.

Tommy: Okay, sometimes is probably not ideal. You need to use it all the time.

Josh: I wanted to get to a point where it's like, if someone asks a question, I just say, I don't know, I'll have to cheque Evernote. Like, I want it to have every answer of everything.

Ryan: I know, yeah, I use it for all my ideas. Well, most of the people that listen to this show, I mean, there's a lot of creative types and media people, right? This isn't completely boring to them. No, no, okay, great. So I've got like a list of ideas, and so I've got like the Heidi Xavier and Ryan Show.

Josh: He's got 3 notes.

Ryan: Heidi Xavier and Ryan Show, Ryan John, life and dreams, other shit. And then I've got lots of like dumb ideas and stuff, and this is what happens. I meet with someone, they go Hey Ryan, um, we want you to do a video for us, like, here's the budget, do you want to come back in a week with a few ideas? And I was like, actually, let me look in Evernote. That's 4 ideas good. And I've pitched people and sold things on the spot. This is maybe tens of thousands of dollars.

Josh: That's amazing. And so what's the, uh, what's going to evernote.com/ryanjohn for your 10% discount? No, I do, I really, the, uh, I use at the moment IA Writer.

Tommy: Is it not just to stylistically look good?

Josh: No, it's just a— no, that's what the jacket's for. No, iAWriter is, it's just like a note-taking app, but it, um, it goes into the cloud as well. But I do—

Tommy: it does look good though, it's in that old typeface.

Josh: It does look nice, or you can full screen it and stuff. But I do like the idea of Evernote, but you really need to invest time. What's the big media company one that you have?

Ryan: Well, the big media company. Yeah, there's a note for you guys.

Tommy: Beautiful.

Ryan: Before, I had whatever we were chatting about last time, I wrote down in here.

Josh: Great.

Ryan: And then when—

Josh: he's got a file on us.

Ryan: Yeah. And now, and now I've got— should I go through the notes for the most fabulous business coach ever?

Tommy: Yeah, definitely.

Josh: Hit us.

Ryan: Doing, during my show this morning, was researching what to do on the podcast today.

Tommy: So is this— are these questions for us, or is it just talking points?

Ryan: Here's the 5 things that I think are important. Okay, it was 4, but now it's 5.

Tommy: So turned into a Q&A.

Ryan: Yep. Um, it's the first one's mix of strengths.

Tommy: Yep.

Ryan: Second is growth. Third is annual focus. Fourth is accepting each other's negative attributes. And five is apparently now exit plan. So let's start at the start.

Josh: Okay, perfect.

Ryan: One, this is our AGM.

Josh: Sorry, this is great. This feels like insider trading. I don't know.

Ryan: Having the same strengths as your business partner isn't always the most productive. Sometimes you need to have your strong points cover the other person's weak points, and that's where you get synergy.

Josh: Yeah.

Ryan: Um, so my— the question is for you guys to discuss. Actually, we'll start with you, Josh. Josh, what can Tommy do that you can't?

Josh: Uh, Tommy—

Tommy: this is the problem with Josh, he doesn't think anything. But it's also why we're great, because that's just his thinking.

Ryan: No, to you next, Tommy.

Josh: No, I think, uh, Tommy, uh, is very good at dealing with social situations and having multiple conversations going at once and having a lot of stakes in the ground, whereas I tend to, uh, can only do one. Yeah, I only have one at a time.

Ryan: Yeah, that's good. That's a good thing for business because there's lots going on. Tommy?

Tommy: Yeah?

Ryan: What can Josh do that you can't?

Josh: Um, how long we got?

Tommy: No, I think, I think definitely it's the counter, the opposite to what Josh said. Like, he can be very single-focused and put the blinkers on and not consider anything, like tunnel vision in some of the things, which is amazing.

Josh: Slightly autistic.

Ryan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Sometimes you just got to get it done.

Josh: Yeah, yeah.

Ryan: Okay, good, pass. First question.

Josh: Second one, if you want to throw any at Mr. 97 as well.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, he can be the same.

Ryan: Do you agree with what they said about each other? Yeah, yeah, I thought, Tommy, you were gonna go with some like technical— oh, I mean, then we got how much time we have and what technical stuff can't Josh do. Oh, uh, if—

Tommy: and just keep in mind, it actually just becomes a, um, this stings for Josh because he prides himself on being very technical.

Josh: I don't know, I'm trying to think of— no, there's heaps of things. Final Cut Pro, I'm still getting my head around.

Tommy: Yeah, Final Cut.

Josh: Yeah, yeah. Or even just, even shortcuts in general. Premiere Pro. Yeah, I just fucking— I just, I want to be this, the guy who's I've got Evernote, have all my shortcuts in Evernote, but in reality I'm a click and dragger.

Ryan: Well, I'm still learning. I've just started teaching myself how to edit, so I feel your pain. And I watch someone who knows what they're doing, I'm like, oh, that would have taken me hours.

Tommy: Yeah.

Ryan: Question 2 is growth.

Josh: Great.

Ryan: This is from the most fabulous business coach in the world. All small and new businesses strive for growth. However, there's different types of growth, different areas where you can grow, and different ways that growth can be measured. So I want to know if you're both on the same page for what growth you're striving for. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to count down from 3 and then you guys are going to shout out what growth means for big media company.

Josh: Okay, uh, the screen just went— is it all okay, Mr. No Service? Just the screen?

Ryan: Yeah, yeah, that's okay. Sweet. All right, so what area of growth are we striving for here?

Tommy: 3, 2, 1. It's a hard one. I don't think it's a one-word answer.

Ryan: The point is that you should know, it should be—

Tommy: I think we're super aligned.

Ryan: I think you beat the gun here. I need to count down.

Josh: Okay, okay.

Ryan: Don't tell a guy in this jacket.

Tommy: Uh, give me a sec.

Josh: Sorry, sorry. There's gonna be so many words that come up.

Ryan: Yeah, just throw it out there. Okay, 3, 2, 1.

Tommy: Originality team.

Ryan: So who says originality?

Josh: I said originality.

Ryan: You said?

Tommy: We're a nimble team.

Josh: That's original, I think was the first thing.

Ryan: An original nimble team.

Tommy: So I think that we are super aligned on this because any, like, so you could look at business and go the amount of staff is meaning you're growing, the amount of clients you're taking on is growth, which calculates to fees. But there's a school of thought of going, we can be a small team working with a little amount of people charging a lot amount of money.

Ryan: Revenue per employee.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, they're very singular goals, but if— because you could then manage it and go, okay, well, uh, Mr. 97 could make us $100,000 a year, let's get 10 of him, there's a million dollars, and what will that cost? It will cost blah blah blah. And so you could get into it like that, but it's like, we are a small team that want to reach far, and we don't want to be bogged down by, you know, things like staff, like high staff costs, multiple people. If we can keep it small, I think that's the, that's the thing people think that they need to do is expand the team to expand the business.

Ryan: Where do you guys lie in terms of like business versus output? I.e., a lot of like startups are like, we don't need to make money for the first however many years, we just need to get members or listeners or whatever it is.

Tommy: Well, that's half those people have had venture capital where they're like, we've got a runway for 2 years.

Josh: Yeah, where—

Ryan: how's your runway?

Josh: Yeah, well, so I think, I think getting there, the thing we want to be bootstrapped, so we, we want to be independent, but we also want to make sure that we're utilising ourselves before we add extra things in. So realising it, like getting good at the foundation, and also that means with like Mr. 97 going, okay, he could be working on this, what else can we be doing, what is the, what's the limits that we can play in?

Tommy: Yeah, how much we've looked at, like, how much money is this small team can we make? And then we go, okay, let's reach for that, because we could not hit that and bring people on and go or scale up in a different way. But if we can hit the way that we're saying, it's big and it's small and gives us flexibility.

Ryan: Yeah, now not that this is test is designed to fail, but you have passed that, and I kind of knew the answer. But like, you could imagine there'd be a lot of teams who start out kind of thinking they know what the other person wants. So yeah, and you can see how, like I said, there's many different ways to measure it. If some people are interested in different things, it can get real awkward real quick. Yeah, 2 from 2. Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: I feel like I'm in a game show with this guy. Absolutely.

Ryan: I'd love to do a game show.

Tommy: Yeah, I think you'd be a good host.

Ryan: Yeah, I'm gonna host.

Josh: Done any auditions for game shows?

Ryan: Yeah, I'm actually in the running to be the host of Who Dares Wins.

Tommy: Really?

Ryan: Fuck off. I decided that at 6 AM at the gay wedding when either sun was coming up, and I was like, you know what's gonna happen later?

Josh: I'm gonna fucking do this.

Ryan: Oh, so you haven't Auditioned. Well, I did the audition at the time in front of friends and family at the wedding.

Josh: That was a good show. We've spoken about it on the show.

Ryan: Well, I think it's a good show in itself, but then you get those nostalgia points, hence why it could work. Yeah, maybe.

Tommy: Anyway, I just found a photo recently of me and Tanya Zayed. Stop bragging, woman.

Josh: Yeah, the, the, uh, the best thing about Who Dares Wins is it's pre-GoPro, so you see them. I reckon the hardest part of them doing any of the real sort of high angle stuff where they're really far up is the fact they've got like a big fuck-off camera on their helmet. The amount of neck injuries that was going on.

Ryan: The guy's hanging off the building with a boom box.

Josh: And it looks like a shot on a potato, but the amount of, yeah, it's pretty crazy.

Ryan: We kind of covered annual focus when we talked about growth 'cause they're similar. So let's move on to accepting negative attributes. So when you sign up with a new partner, obviously you're like, they're great at this, they're great at that, I'm great at this, and you kind of match your strengths and stuff. Yeah, but a part of business relationships, yeah, and life relationships is accepting that sometimes some people just have some annoying little habits and you just got to get over.

Tommy: Sure, definitely.

Ryan: So we're going to go one at a time and we'll start very quickly.

Josh: Tommy and I had a discussion just earlier, probably a 6 out of 10 in heat in regards to, uh, heat. Yeah, danker up, but a bit of danker up. But then I noticed in Asana, which is our project management tool, Tommy added the topic, uh, things that people do to annoy you.

Tommy: Oh, that was actually before. I wrote that before, I'm pretty sure.

Ryan: Really?

Josh: So I got that and I thought, I don't know if this is a subtle one.

Tommy: I definitely know. I will say, before we answer this though, it's like a radio show where the two people are too similar. There's like no friction, just, yeah, what do you think of that? Yeah, I think of that.

Josh: I agree, man. So we've got to bring some friction.

Tommy: It's, it's so, so It is, it creates some harmony having two people on the same, you know, fucking wave sides or wavelengths, but then it's not the best.

Ryan: It doesn't get you anywhere.

Tommy: Yeah, the outcome's not as exciting.

Ryan: Zip, need something going on.

Tommy: You need to.

Ryan: Don't worry, the conflict is coming.

Josh: We'll push back.

Ryan: We're going to start with Tommy.

Josh: Okay, great.

Ryan: Now I'm going to count down from 3.

Josh: Go hard.

Ryan: And you're going to say—

Tommy: Go hard?

Josh: Yeah, go hard.

Ryan: Well, you're going to say what you think is the most annoying little thing that Tommy does. Okay, can Tommy do it first? We're start— but you're gonna say what you think he's gonna say. Oh, and see if you get the same answer. So we're focusing on Tommy.

Tommy: Okay, okay, what you think Tommy is going and what you're going to say.

Ryan: Okay, all right, um, 3, 2, 1.

Tommy: Deodorant.

Ryan: So Tommy said spraying deodorant. What do you spray deodorant in this small airtight booth?

Tommy: Oh, fuck off, mate. Are you on his side? You said that was very biased, that, uh, answer.

Ryan: Is that what you you do though?

Tommy: I spray deodorant out the back.

Ryan: Does that annoy you?

Josh: Yeah, well, it gives me asthma.

Tommy: Well, you guys got asthma and you're spraying it in here? Okay, I— when was the last time you used a puffer, Josh?

Josh: Uh, I don't know, when was the last time you sprayed deodorant? Probably 3 days ago. No, I, I don't own a puffer.

Tommy: Yeah, so he's not an asthmatic, because if you're an asthmatic, you own a fucking puffer.

Josh: Actually, fuck, reminder for everyone, because I need to do it straight after this: ambulance cover. Make sure you keep your ambulance. I got a text message saying that mine's expired.

Ryan: Shop around though for the best price.

Tommy: No, there's only one ambulance, bro.

Josh: Who are you going with?

Ryan: Uber?

Josh: UberX?

Tommy: No, but, um, it's actually different in different states.

Ryan: Really? That sounds right though. There is only one ambulance service, but there is called 002 for a different— I'll get an upgraded one.

Tommy: Nah, Victoria is different. It's New South Wales is different.

Josh: I said push back because if I ever complain to Tommy about the deodorant, he straight away pushes back.

Ryan: Yeah, yeah. And is that generally Tommy's instant reaction is nah?

Josh: Nah, no, it's only nah. It's only when, um, if I'm certain on something, sometimes there's a little bit of pushback. Okay. Which is, I think it, it comes to a good result.

Ryan: Well, I think Tommy was saying if, if everyone's agreeable, then you just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, sounds great.

Tommy: The only, I'll critique my pushback is that I was talking to Conspiracy Jimmy and he's like, he's telling me about how he plays devil's advocate with his business partner, uh, and it's become a thing where he's just like, he launches into it, he's like ready for playing devil's advocate. He's like, he's identified as it is that automatic entering into that space as negative, which I think there's a bit of that on pushback too. You can always be pushing back, which it can bring good result.

Josh: Well, I think, you know, because I create so like, there's so much velocity to my thoughts or whatever, right? So if I have something, it's like, I better say— I think part of the panic is I better say something now because otherwise it's gonna happen. Would that be fair, do you think, or no?

Tommy: Yeah, I think there's a— there's two sides to this. It's like being conscious in where you're giving pushback and why you're actually giving pushback. Do you actually honestly think that you need to give pushback? And then it's the velocity at which you enter a situation and being aware of how that—

Josh: you—

Tommy: the passengers that get on board with what you've done. And so it is a hard one, but that's working it out. That's a business partnership.

Ryan: I read something about the devil's advocate, and it was like— I wish I remember— it was like a, you know, an Elon Musk, Seth Godin sort of, you know, original thinker kind of guy.

Tommy: Yeah, who said, George Chancey kind of like—

Josh: yeah, yeah, my blog. He's actually recording my blog.

Ryan: Devil's advocate is bullshit because you, you're telling someone to be negative and they don't even have to put their name to it. And I'm a bit like, oh yeah, if you're going to come back and say it's fucked, at least have the balls to say that's what I think instead of going, oh well, okay, so you're saying people coach their opinion in the devil's advocate, use the word devil's opinion because they're like, I don't want to be negative. Yeah, but if you say, oh, just be devil's advocate, then you're like just telling him to shoot it down.

Tommy: I think it's a way to— I mean, it's a bit—

Josh: protect yourself. Remember, you, you were playing devil's advocate the other day to pedophiles, and so it's a way—

Tommy: actually, that is the, that is the That is the fucking— embodies the devil, a pedophile. Yeah.

Josh: And so you're all going in that moment, you're advocating it.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Do you want to retract? Like, I think—

Tommy: look, I don't know, we'll have to— we'll get Mr. 97 to close the loop on that one.

Ryan: Question 4 and a half: I don't condone pedophiles.

Tommy: You're all fuckwits if you are one.

Josh: All of our listeners— like, I like that. No, they're not watching. We don't have pedophiles.

Tommy: If one of you watch, please stop watching and Fuck off.

Ryan: Yeah, I'll say. Um, now we turn our attention to Josh. Uh, Josh, on the count of 3, you're gonna say what you think Tommy thinks about what you would do to annoy him.

Tommy: Wait, oh, hang on.

Ryan: Yeah, on 3, you're gonna say what annoys you about Josh.

Josh: Oh, okay.

Ryan: Um, this is the second last question of the Most Fabulous Business Coach. Okay, now, yeah, this is 3, 2, 1.

Tommy: Unproductive water bottle.

Ryan: So let's start with you. What, it really shits you when you drink?

Josh: How am I meant to stay hydrated?

Tommy: I know. I will say, um, who do you spend the most time around? I'm sure you've had this with your co-hosts. I reckon, I reckon Josh and I spend way more time together than you and your co-hosts.

Ryan: 100%. So I've seen my co-host for a week.

Tommy: You know, when growing up, I think the closest example is when I was growing up and you'd be on holidays and you've got your mate that you, you love from school And you're spending like 2 weeks together fucking in each other's pockets. That's the relationship Josh and I have because we do this thing 5 days a week, soon to be 7, and then we fucking— and you're texting, we're texting, we're working together, we speak. My son always thinks Josh is on the phone because he mostly is. Is that Josh? Um, so there's things, little things that you just—

Josh: it's so trivial.

Ryan: That's why it's important to be so trivial, accepting the negative attributes.

Josh: Tommy's been doing Lately?

Tommy: Yeah, that's annoying. I felt like—

Josh: No, that's fucking Tommy's. I'm not a gronk. I'm drinking my water and he's going—

Ryan: But it shits you how he drinks his water? Or the water bottle?

Tommy: Yeah, just the little bubble that it— Can you drink the water?

Josh: Are you kidding me? Like, do you want me to? Because the thing is, I think the reason why the sound happens— And bubble it. Why?

Tommy: Just do it. Just do it.

Josh: I think the reason why it happens is because whenever I'm drinking, it's a panic that I've realised I haven't had enough water today. So it had this—

Ryan: so you get to hear—

Tommy: hang on, have a listen. Imagine this 10, 20 times a day.

Ryan: That's annoying. That's so annoying. I appreciate that you tried to do that all in front of the microphone, but you looked fucking weird. Was it enough?

Josh: What, what is the annoying bit? If I was to make it Stop it being annoying.

Tommy: No, there's nothing. I want you to continue and it's something I have to deal with, but that's why I was going to bring it up because it's funny. Wrong way, wrong way.

Ryan: Josh, you said unpredictability.

Tommy: Are you annoying but funny at the same time?

Ryan: You said unpredictability. Do you think you sometimes are a bit of a yahoo and Tommy doesn't know what you're doing?

Josh: What does that mean? Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all the time. Yeah, I go through I'm a little bit manic depressive, so I go real crazy, like undiagnosed obviously.

Tommy: But the lows, the lows aren't like negative on the world. I think that's where it's like the, the, the, the scale of the manic depression just is referring to up and down because you don't go into these—

Josh: I don't go to hell where we're all fucked and this show's going nowhere.

Ryan: But does Josh come in and then you'll be like, oh, it's one of those days, I'll just be cool?

Tommy: No, it's more, it's more um, flying through the doors to do something big, which— see, they— like, you could look at that as a positive and a negative. The negative is the, uh, fucking passengers that you take, or the fucking, um, what do you call it, the casualties that you create. Casualties?

Josh: I'm doing— we're doing a podcast, we're not at a fucking war.

Tommy: I mean, this is our war. This is our low-level fucking fighters, small business owners.

Ryan: Yeah, sure.

Tommy: So there is that, but that's not— I think I see it as a more positive than a negative thing. Well, it's just the water bottle thing. If you stop that, it'd be fucking— yeah, we'll get you a Camelbak.

Ryan: I'll say no, but that's, it's, that's a pass for point 4. Oh great, because then the whole point of it is that is accepting the negatives.

Tommy: Yeah.

Ryan: And also just being open and honest about them, because sometimes it is something like the water bottle that 5 years later, you're Tommy's here twitching.

Tommy: Yeah, what broke the business? What broke the big media company?

Josh: The water bottle. I nearly lost the water bottle.

Ryan: I did lose the water bottle. You're going to lose it when I leave here because I'm taking it with me.

Josh: I actually, I got a thermos and a water bottle, and the thing was the thermos— how old are you? No, thermos is a real hipster. They're cool.

Ryan: It's not cool.

Josh: Now you should see the thermos I have. It's quite premium looking.

Tommy: It does look cool. It's not one of the big ones that You'll see the building site. Yeah, from the footy. Yeah, you go to the MCG with a blanket on the, on the hardwood.

Ryan: Waverley, because I was Hawthorn. That was cold as, so you would definitely have thermoses. Nana would make that before.

Josh: Hawthorn.

Ryan: Yeah, yeah, yep. Um, final one: what is the big media company exit plan? Because as Mark Bouris once said at a conference last week, you have to have one from day one.

Josh: Yeah, all right. Oh, so we're saying the count of 3?

Ryan: Oh, might as well. Yeah, just write it down. So 3, 3, 2, 1.

Tommy: Blow up Spotify. Mine's more optimistic than John's.

Ryan: Blow up as in like we're blowing up, or do you mean actual?

Josh: Mine was more sort of a funny blow up, like the idea that we're just done. Yeah, we're done.

Tommy: And mine was a $200 million acquisition from Spotify.

Josh: I think it'll probably— no, I reckon we'll meet somewhere in the middle.

Ryan: Yeah, obviously you don't have to answer, but just the question of have you guys actually had a conversation like what in 5, 10, where does it It's not like—

Josh: I think we're building out the business around systems, so making it very sort of streamlined what we're doing and taking anything that could be a system and turning into a system so then we can focus on the creative stuff. Yep.

Tommy: Um, it's a good exercise to take everything you do just as a top-line heading, write it onto a board, the stuff that you don't have a system for.

Josh: Yeah, what's the problems? What's the frictions? What can we fix?

Ryan: Someone last week about our show of like if everyone wrote down everything they did every day and then crossed out the stuff that didn't really matter.

Tommy: Like, that's a good run.

Ryan: I reckon a lot of people do a lot of stuff that they're like, oh yeah, what do we actually do that for?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Josh: Well, yeah, I think that we're in the unique position that we're building something from scratch too.

Ryan: Yep.

Josh: And because of that, we don't have all that legacy shit that can happen. Like, you know, you start a job and it's like, I have to do this and I do that.

Ryan: We started doing that, so we'd still do it.

Tommy: Yeah, it was in Shepparton. We were like, why are we doing this? Yeah, and so we cut back on heaps of stuff, but that's— yeah, it'd be the case across the board.

Josh: So I think that we're, if anything, the reason that people would be interested in not even acquiring us but working with us is the systems and the knowledge that we have around what it takes to do innovative content for a long period of time.

Tommy: As Mark Bouris said, you like— you can't sell a business if you don't have systems in place. What are you buying? And that's what he was— I think that was his emphasis around exit plan is unless you get your shit worked out, no one's gonna— what are they buying? Yeah, how are they buying?

Ryan: Well, they're buying the two of you, but you're not going to be there anymore. Then what's left?

Tommy: Exactly. Yeah, there's no system in us, I think.

Josh: Yeah, it's—

Ryan: there was a guy who used to play AFL who created an app through a shoe. No, not the same guy, the different guy. He created an app that was sort of like the Uber of drinks. So at 1 AM you can be like, I will order a six-pack, and it comes with mints and water.

Tommy: Melbourne Football Club player.

Ryan: Yeah, but this guy—

Josh: wait, that's all you want him to Google?

Tommy: Um, Melbourne Football Club player alcohol delivery, or whatever it is. Look up that, you'll find it. No, no, I don't think it is.

Ryan: But basically someone bought the app for hundreds of millions. This guy's really good. And they'll— and they're like, oh, you want to buy our alcohol delivery thing? And he goes, no, we don't care about delivering alcohol or anything, but just this database management system in the back end is the little thing we've been missing for our business. So they purchased the whole thing.

Josh: I can imagine that happening to us and they say, all we want is Mr. Nice.

Ryan: What was the thing you used to put your ideas into that's not Evernote?

Josh: Asana.

Ryan: They just come to you and go, the way you've laid out your Asana, here's $10 mil. No, we don't want that guy right now. Yeah, Joel McDonald, get Swift $100 million.

Tommy: Yeah, but look at the negative stuff around that. Not to bring him down, but that's exactly what you're doing. Devil's advocate. Oh dude, no, there's some— he There was some bad shit going on. He was— yeah, hang on, I don't want to misquote, but, but you do. That was the headline I heard, and then, and then I heard the follow-up, which was something pretty bad.

Ryan: $100 million.

Tommy: But I mean, that's crazy.

Ryan: I missed the $97.

Tommy: He's worth every cent.

Josh: What do you reckon after the— have you had any more clarity around what you will do after radio?

Ryan: Nah, I don't know. So this is my last year, and so I don't—

Tommy: contracted. Is that what you— how you talk?

Josh: Um, yeah, like a footy player, kind of.

Tommy: Yeah, or just— no, it's more like an F1 player. Yeah, you know, there's— you don't— if you don't have a contract, you're not playing.

Josh: Jeez, after watching the F1— we watched the first episode of F1, yeah, like on Netflix.

Ryan: Was that really good? Yeah, it was great.

Josh: And Bree like was getting into it. She's like, we're driving along, she's like, ah! I was like, what? Like what Mr. 97 does, overreacts to things.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Josh: It's like, I wonder how Ricciardo went.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And then we looked it up and he—

Tommy: exactly, he retired. Yeah, did not finish. Yeah, he fucked it.

Ryan: So I don't know, I think I'm gonna get to a gay wedding, I got a jacket to wear. Um, yeah, I finished at the end of the year and I don't know if, uh, if they want me back. So, um, how does that feel?

Tommy: Because that's very like— if you— have you delved into Seth Godin stuff?

Ryan: Yeah, not on that topic.

Tommy: Well, his ethos of being picked and choosing yourself.

Ryan: Well, yeah, that's— yeah, I'm beginning to choose yourself and that's what I love about you guys. You didn't wait for a company to be like, hey, can you guys do a daily podcast?

Josh: Yeah, we're actually being funded by SCA. It's like an incubator.

Tommy: You do the same, you're a content creator, you know, you're learning how to do editing and things like that. So you're picking yourself in many aspects and then you work for a company that decides that you are the one.

Ryan: Well, I'd say I don't choose myself, but I choose my content. So I kind of go, hey radio, I've got a great idea, and they're like, nah. And I'm like, well, I'm still going to choose it and do it over there.

Josh: It's on Evernote.

Ryan: Yeah, it's on Evernote. Um, and so in that sense, and I like that the Shameless girls, um, they mentioned it on one of their podcasts that they were a bit like the same. Pitched to Mamma Mia. Mamma Mia was like, nah. And they're like, well, we're not going to wait for Mamma Mia or Podcast One to choose us, we're just going to choose ourselves. Yeah. So I'm a big subscriber to that. But the reverse side, it is weird kind of going to work going, I don't know if these guys want me. Yeah. I don't know if I'm gonna get a sense who's, who's gonna— I just got a new boss.

Josh: Yeah.

Ryan: So, um Yeah, I don't know, it's a whole new—

Tommy: I mean, it's in their best interest to make you all feel like you're there next year so you rock up feeling good. Because once you know—

Ryan: on the first day this year, the inner meeting was like, well, it's the last year of the show. And I was like, okay, cool.

Josh: Oh really?

Ryan: Out of contract.

Josh: So I was like, okay, that's interesting. But that was with the last year, that was a like a different CD.

Tommy: Yep, lots of changes though. Your co-host is about to have a— September, about to have a baby.

Ryan: Yeah, so who knows, the long-distance relationship is a factor.

Tommy: Yeah, the dog BJ.

Ryan: Dog BJ. Um, if Bridget is or is not pregnant, because we've been trying for a long time, so that would be—

Tommy: what does that entail?

Ryan: Well, what long distance? Yeah, I've heard rumors. Um, but, uh, yeah, like, I haven't really thought about it. It's the first time ever I didn't know what I was doing the following year. Yeah, ever, probably.

Tommy: Yeah, well, you're in March, so you've still got a few more months.

Ryan: Yeah, well, someone once said to me, if you don't know by October, the answer is nothing with the person.

Tommy: They don't tell—

Ryan: if they don't tell you, you don't just get to November and go, oh, were you guys supposed to chat about my contract? And they go, oh, uh, yeah, just let us know when you're free. And you're like, oh, just that package.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Oh, that's interesting.

Tommy: Would you crumble, Josh, not knowing? Like feeling—

Josh: because I could imagine— well, that's why I don't think I could. That's why I don't know if I would do the whole thing, because I reckon I would just be like— I think I'd probably go, hmm, yeah, good question. Isn't this riskier though? No, well, I think we get to— we, we know, like, even if we are like hitting into a brick wall at least we have control over like the pace in which we're going to do it. Yeah. The, the idea that the, the unknown— so it feels like we can keep building, keep building, and it's this momentum.

Ryan: Yeah.

Josh: I would feel like the unknown of whether I'm going to be there next year would add a huge amount of drag to the momentum.

Tommy: Yeah.

Ryan: Well, yeah, I'm like envious of guys like yourself and, um, Michelle, and I forgot her— and what was the other girl's name?

Josh: Zara.

Ryan: Zara. And any people— and lots of of people over the last— Christian just quit his job.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah.

Ryan: Um, and I'm like jealous of those people because I would love—

Josh: you could do it.

Ryan: I could, but I like— it's so lame, but I like a routine. I like knowing what I'm gonna get paid next month.

Josh: We could give you a routine. We can't get— we can guarantee how much you can get paid as well. You'll be able to wear whatever you want to work.

Ryan: Yeah, if that's the one selling point for leaving radio is that you can wear whatever you want, that's not gonna I mean, what's the thought around stepping?

Tommy: It could be a sidestep to get a forward step in terms of—

Ryan: Yeah, we kind of mentioned that in the last episode where sometimes it's tricky to get your stuff off the ground and you kind of think, if I left the company, I could go and do all this great stuff, they'd be impressed by it and want to hire me back. Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: But is that still the thinking of wanting the person to pick you for doing the thing?

Ryan: Kinda, I guess. Well, I said pitch it to them. If they don't want it, I'll just do it over there.

Josh: What have you learned about pitching? I've never pitched anything in my life.

Ryan: I'm not good at pitching. Yeah, I need to get better, uh, because why am I good? We'll have this big kind of concept and sometimes it's hard to explain if people— like, if people are— like, if it wants to be big and different, it's sometimes it's, oh, it's easy just to go smaller than what we know.

Josh: Yeah, sure.

Ryan: And sometimes it's Yeah, you can scare people. I only know this and you're pitching that. Yeah, I don't. And I sort of go get a bit, oh, fucking, you don't understand.

Tommy: This is time if create— as creators of having the idea in your head, being able to commu— being able to communicate that to someone before you do it, or doing it, having the skill to just be able to do it and then show someone to go, look, I told you so.

Ryan: That's my— without the attitudey, I told you so, but that has been my unofficial like I've just gone and made stuff and then go, I can do a version of this again. And I can't tell you how many times I've pitched to a radio station, they've gone, oh, that's not for us. I've made it on Facebook and they love that hour. They're like, why aren't we involved in this? Like, yeah, I pitched it last week and you didn't want to know about it.

Tommy: It's a strength you need to build, I think, because it's a— I think it's a newcomer or a— I don't know, I'm not there yet because I'm still come from that time of going, oh look, if I just started working, I could show you what I mean. Yeah, versus being able to show them or communicate the things that need to be communicated.

Ryan: All my video income has come from someone going, I saw this video about this, can you make that same sort of thing but with us?

Josh: Yeah, yeah.

Ryan: And so, which loses creativity.

Josh: No, no, I think it, it loses the need to pitch.

Ryan: Okay, so you use that broader in that they go, we just liked, we saw you out on the road doing a thing, do your style.

Tommy: Yeah, that's what you want.

Ryan: If you came to our business business and could use anything that we've got to do something similar, what would you do? And then you pitch the ideas, um, which is a lot easier. And what I've said to some people, because I've made lots of videos from some and then I've spent lots on others and made zero, I'm like, oh, why would you spend the money? And like, because people see the one that you made.

Josh: Yeah.

Ryan: And that's when— and that sells the next job.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Yeah.

Ryan: Um, like, you can't be a TV station that just plays ads. Like, you have to get the audience and the ideas with the programming, and then you sell.

Josh: So true. Yeah, I heard Chase Jarvis talk about how you've got like, if you have always built like small sculptures and that's all you've ever built, it's going to be hard to go to a client and say, hey, I want you to give me a bunch of money and I'll like build a big sculpture for you. Yeah, you really have to like spend your own money, build the big sculpture, show it, and then say, hey, I can make one for you too.

Ryan: Well, I don't— there's a lot of YouTubers who want to be, well, are in effect filmmakers because they make short YouTube films. Yeah, um, but exactly what you just said, I reckon it's hard to justify the leap of going, I'm a YouTuber, cheque out my stuff, it's great. Yeah, let me be in charge of a 400-person crew and make a feature film. It's just like, no, you've got experience doing that thing. Yeah, um, yeah, but like I said, a lot of people get into that because it's the entry to film, and it probably is. But you're right, somewhere along the lines there has to be some faith.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, there's— there— and then, then there's a fine line of going, challenge that as a creator. And go, what does that actually look like? If anything, early days you land jobs and then prove to yourself that you can do them. The harder thing down the track is the money, the budgets are huge, the promises are even bigger that you're making. And so I think this is between Josh and I, it's like I've made a lot of fucking promises that I haven't known that I could fulfill, but I just knew inside that I could do them, figure it out, and it just It's a— it's the decision down the track when you've done a lot more and you're speaking to bigger people. The fuck-up's on you guys, which could ruin our business.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And so we're, we're like, how do you do that? If we want to make a documentary, be funded to do it, or just do the documentary, fund it yourself and do it.

Ryan: We fund it yourself and then hope that when you say, I want to make a different documentary, remember how good that last one was.

Josh: Yeah.

Ryan: Like, yeah, there's motive.

Tommy: Like, you can draw motivation from being paid for something it could be a driving force. So you get some funding, it might not be big budget funding. So you— we could put together—

Josh: then when it's not big budget funding, then it's like, why don't you just do it yourself?

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, there's always— this is the thing, you can always say the opposite. Yeah, because it's always true.

Josh: Well, I just feel like, what's the, you know, what's the quickest thing that we can do to actually test, test something, right? Because there's a level of bullshit in any project where you're like, I actually don't know whether it's going to be good or not. Like, that's part— the part of the process is we make it and then we work out whether it's good. And so part of it is that I would just like to take that onus on myself because I'm like, oh, I'm cool. Like, I believe in what we can do. Let's, let's make it, and then maybe we sell it to you a little bit further down the track for more money rather than you investing early. It's probably not too dissimilar from bootstrapping versus taking venture capital.

Ryan: What's the, uh, the idea? What's the biggest thing that you'd love to do, the two of you guys? Like I guess it depends how you describe big, because doing a daily podcast as a whole is ridiculous, um, in effort.

Josh: But like, what did you actually think on the daily talk show stuff when you saw from the outside looking in at what we were doing? Where do you sort of position it? What came to mind? Do you think is the 5 days a— is a bit like— is it a waste of time, do you think, for us? We haven't missed— we've done 306 at this hour, 306th episode. We haven't taken a survey break. Like, we have literally not missed—

Ryan: Well, I was here at Christmas and I was like, what's the Christmas break? And you're like, no. Yeah, well, it's strange because it's not all wearing bloody sequin tops.

Tommy: Yeah, it's strange.

Ryan: It's not based on the content, but your point of difference is that it's every day, like, which is a weird point of difference, but it kind of makes sense. That's what the show is called. It is what it is. And I think people would be like slightly impressed by that. And it is really one of those—

Josh: Can we quote you there? People would be slightly impressed by that. Ryan John on the Daily Talk Show.

Ryan: When stuff gets crazy easy, and people are gonna go, oh fuck, how'd they do it? They're gonna go, well, those guys rolled up their sleeves, chose themselves, and did it every day. Like, you hear storeys like Kobe Bryant had a day off, but every day he would go and shoot hoops for half an hour.

Tommy: Just like, it's the, uh, outwork everyone else. But I, like, I don't feel like I'm outworking everyone else because we get these times where we're like, turning off is—

Ryan: turning up is more than half of the job, and you guys turn up every day.

Josh: And I always do free throws on the weekend as well.

Ryan: Yeah, it's pretty in the work, boy. So I like that. And And like I said, I like anyone that's doing anything. And I think what cripples a lot of people, including me a lot of the time, is you could have spent an extra year trying to figure out exactly what it is, or you can go, let's just start and it'll figure itself out. I guess in theory it probably still is. In 3 years you look back and go, fuck, remember when that Sequin guy used to come on? We used to let him in the room.

Josh: What? Yeah, and now look, he's, uh, he's a co-host.

Ryan: No, well, look, he's cleaning our floor and we don't even remember his name.

Josh: No, what I mean, what's— if you were to do a bit of SWOT analysis on it, or looking forward at where it's all going. What do you think, like, if we were to actually— because part of it is like, oh, we could just do more, like we could do, uh, 7 days a week. That's one thing that we're talking about and working towards. Or it's like we could add other components. What can you add at this point? Like, what can we add to the show to actually make it better?

Ryan: Well, I reckon what might work— and this is just off the cuff, but I am the most fabulous business consultant in the world. Yeah, um, obviously you guys are great at making making videos, both in like storytelling and also just the visual and technical stuff. And I, I don't foresee why there's any reason why— just like Radio Station's tried to do— is incorporating— like, obviously we're filming the episode now, but actually doing stuff out on the street. And because it's a lot easier to sell a video than it is to sell sponsorship for a podcast.

Josh: Yeah.

Ryan: Um, but leveraging the audience you've already got, I'm sure there's fun videos and stuff you could do. And that would be a revenue driver and just another way to be visible. And you never know, similar to the 7-Eleven thing where I was credited as being co-host of this podcast. Thank you. But you never know about this before the show, actually. We're like, you never know what someone's entry point is going to be. So videos have a tendency to spread and go viral if they, if they can, whereas it's rare that a podcast episode, unless Elon Musk smokes a joint, that a podcast episode is going to go viral.

Tommy: But will you smoke a joint? It is a sure way to lose your job.

Ryan: Light it up, I'll do it. Wedding all weekend would be the least, Mike. But, um, I know that just might be a way for people to find the podcast. Yeah, just to increase. So I think that's because you've already got the skills. I reckon that's an easy way to explore and monetize.

Josh: I reckon. Okay, so if we were to do a video today, I have an idea.

Tommy: Yep.

Josh: I, uh, bought this, uh, item about 4 years ago when I was in the US. I like to buy something for Bree when I, when I go away, but not like the obvious, not, not the obvious sort of shit. And so I was in this store and I found this thing. It's a running parachute.

Tommy: And so it's one of his most stupid purchases.

Josh: Yeah, so it's a running parachute. Anyway, I thought it would be perfect for Mr. 97 to strap it to and see how we would go running Down Easy Strain.

Ryan: Is it supposed to be a bit to make like resistance training, essentially?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's meant to be. Can I just read something that's on there?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So I saw this, it's Filler Brand, and I looked underneath and it says, warning, this product may contain a chemical known to the state of California to cause cancer or birth defects or other reproductive harm.

Josh: We just don't eat it.

Ryan: The thing is, yeah, it's not an edible item.

Josh: In California they have them everywhere. You go to Disneyland and they actually have signs saying there's—

Tommy: because alcohol is cancer.

Josh: If you're in a bar or whatever, uh, they'll have signs there. So anyway, how do we feel about making a video now? We'll go downstairs. What does it smell like?

Ryan: Just because I'm curious to see it. Yeah, but I guess like, if— what does the audience want to see? How do you serve them?

Tommy: It smells—

Ryan: do they need it? I mean, they'll watch it, but do they need to see it?

Josh: Absolutely. We definitely— who's it for? What's it for?

Tommy: It's for me and it's to get use out of the silly purchase Josh made.

Josh: Yeah, what's it for?

Tommy: I think it'd be funny, maybe we can put the sequins jacket on Mr. 97.

Josh: Yeah, let's go.

Tommy: He runs with the parachute and the sequins jacket.

Josh: High-end quality content.

Ryan: I need to get used to the jacket, I'm never going to wear it again.

Josh: Before we do that, with your weeks, do you find that the start of the week you feel a certain way, then by the end of the week do you have like Hungover and not hungover? Yeah, well, I'm just feeling like, um, I noticed that my moods depending on the week sort of flows through. Do you find that on a Monday you're energised or on a Sunday that's when you have your existential crisis? What's, what's like it?

Ryan: What's my week? Uh, it really depends what's going on and it's a lot different now that I live alone compared with Bridget because the weekends used to be like, you know, picnics and dinners and now what is that? Yeah, now it's Fireball, Tinder and Fireball. So yeah, um, yeah, so it's a bit different. But I don't know, it just depends because I usually use a lot of the weekends to film stuff that I couldn't during the week and stuff. So I don't work full-time every day, but I work— I do something every day. Yeah, so the weekends, weekdays, it's all the sort of same to me. So I don't have that—

Josh: you don't get a sense of like your month, the way you feel on a Monday versus a Friday?

Ryan: No, although the hours is hard. Like the first when you wake up on Monday and you're like, Whoa, it's early.

Josh: Do you wake up early on the weekend as well?

Ryan: A little bit. Okay. Yeah, but not as early. And just the pressure of no alarm, like, it really makes it easier.

Tommy: Yeah.

Ryan: Yeah.

Josh: So what do you— TJ, what do you reckon? Do you find that different days of the week you have a different—

Tommy: Monday I'm pretty fresh, only because now I don't drink, so there's— that's not factored in.

Ryan: Well, Gary Vee's big on, um, his whole, you know, if you're just living for the weekend, like, cheque yourself.

Tommy: Yeah.

Ryan: And like, if you guys are enjoying what you're doing, I'm sure you're not getting to Thursday just being like, fuck, I can't wait for Saturday so I can get the fuck out.

Tommy: Yeah, 100%.

Ryan: And the same the other way around. You wouldn't get the Sunday night and go, oh, I have to go and do a podcast tomorrow.

Josh: Like, I do get excited on a Friday though when I realise that it's a Friday. Yeah, like it's a Friday, but it's also like, um, no, there isn't, unfortunately. Not yet. There is a— like, we can play like a laugh for you. That's all we got. I've got to programme them all. But, um, no, I feel like I, I felt it, uh, last week that on Thursday night I was like, oh fuck, it's Friday tomorrow.

Ryan: Yeah. And that was, that was the first sign.

Josh: That was a good sort of— no, it was a good vibe. It was like, oh yeah, and then I'll, I'll still work on some stuff. But it didn't feel like a real, like, it's crazy.

Tommy: Really embedded in us though. Yeah. Think about school, all those days you're like working for the week, working towards the weekend, working for the weekend.

Josh: Do you get paid the same cycle. Like, I remember it when I was working at the radio station.

Tommy: What day you paid, when you paid, how much you paid?

Josh: 15th.

Ryan: 15th.

Josh: Yeah, great.

Ryan: Every month.

Josh: And do you find that— I remember that within the radio station, especially when you started to go down the junior roles, people were run— like, running out.

Ryan: It gets real tight from the 10th of the month. Yeah, um, it gets real tight.

Tommy: Yeah.

Ryan: And, um, but the craziness is, so I often buy— or everyone does like Uber Eats for the whole team. There's 8 of us, so that might be on the 15th or not, just anytime, like during the mornings, 3 times a week. We probably get everyone toasties and coffees on Uber Eats. Really? Do a big order.

Josh: What the fuck?

Tommy: You guys do it?

Josh: Yeah, and for the team, this is like— because I know—

Ryan: out of my pocket. Yeah, there's some shows that they've got a budget for that. We don't. We'd rather spend it on— well, I don't know, there probably wasn't any budget, but I'd argue I'd rather spend it on the show. Yeah, but I do notice that a lot of the producers and stuff, like they'll rarely shout between the start of the month and the 15th.

Josh: Yeah, so the producers are getting involved as well.

Ryan: They're involved, like, so we started offering, then after a while they were like, oh, it's probably our shout. Yeah, they never say that on the phone. Yeah, sure, which is fair enough.

Josh: We should— we could do that.

Ryan: We could, you know, show toasties. Well, you guys offered me coffee when I did get it.

Tommy: Yeah, we'll offer Mr. 97, he'll knock it back. Knocks back nearly everything we offer.

Josh: I did hear under his breath he said, pay for your fucking eggs. And then I'll accept whatever. Is that right? Yeah, there we go. Do you do panellist your shows?

Ryan: I do, but not when I'm in Melbourne.

Josh: Okay.

Ryan: So we had a new panel up last Friday and this morning, uh, because I've been in Melbourne for a bit. Um, so new panel up, it went smoothly, which is good.

Josh: You just point at them when you want something played, or kinda?

Ryan: But the tricky thing is with, you know how some songs have the extended intro?

Josh: Oh yeah.

Ryan: And if it's like a 30-second intro and you can feel it wrapping up, I'll kind of fire the song and keep it low. And then if they don't— and so I'm sort of like, yeah, and they're like, what, what? And then you get to the end of the break and you go, yeah, anyway, that's coming up next.

Josh: Oh, and then it goes for 30 seconds and it's like, oh yeah, sure.

Ryan: But apart from that, it's pretty, it's pretty easy. We're not an overly production-heavy show, so it doesn't make a huge deal. Yeah, panelling and stuff. But it is— I know sometimes there's some fun to be had that you can't do when you're not paneling.

Josh: Yeah, yeah.

Ryan: How do you like being the panelist?

Josh: Oh look, it's very minimal at the moment, but I do want— like, what I'm excited look for is when we get camera switching happening and we have multiple, like, you know, you're not going to camera switch off the desk though while you're chatting.

Ryan: No, Mr. 97, here's my most important statement, zoom in on me.

Josh: Yeah, exactly. It would be nice. Yeah, it would be nice to be able to do that. No, but TJ made a lot of pressure on Mr.

Tommy: 97.

Ryan: Yeah, there's a lot of pressure.

Tommy: Oh, 100%.

Ryan: I just mean he's running Channel 7 and you guys are still doing this podcast.

Tommy: How you learn, you learn hard.

Josh: Well, you actually, he's going to sit in on uh, Fifi, Fev, and Byron, and watch that show getting done.

Ryan: I was actually just about to say before I said that, I was like, you should come into SCA one morning.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, it'd be great. You fuck— you should do that.

Ryan: He's going to go in SCA Melbourne. There was about 15 different breakfast shows there this morning. Really? Taking you for the tour.

Josh: We need to—

Ryan: it's real lovely.

Josh: We need to get him to Perth as well. We can go seashore.

Ryan: Well, you can stand in the middle of SCA Melbourne. I'll be like, there's Triple M Sydney.

Tommy: Yeah. Oh really?

Ryan: There's my show in Perth. There's Limo doing Adelaide, I think, and there's, uh, Fox over there and Triple M. And yeah, there's 10 shows within, like, visible.

Tommy: Yeah, make it to— make it to Metro and then do the show from wherever you want. That's what—

Ryan: here's Kate in Italy.

Josh: Yeah, it is pretty crazy, isn't it?

Ryan: Well, the technology, it sets some heavy precedence. So when I say I've got a gay wedding, yeah, I need 2 days to keep saying gay wedding. Like, I mean, I'm just wearing— I'm wearing the jacket, it feels right. Yeah, but when it's hard for a network to let Carrie Bickmore do her show from home.

Josh: Yeah.

Ryan: For Kate to do it from Italy and then say, Ryan, you can't do one show from Melbourne.

Josh: Yeah, the acoustics seem crazy too. Like the, uh, uh, the Carrie Bickmore one, I saw an Instagram post and they've got like just sticking stuff up on the wall trying to like tame— like you've got these expensive studios.

Ryan: Yeah, yeah, at SCA, multi-million dollar studio.

Josh: Yeah. And then just people are—

Ryan: can you stick a cardboard box against the wall so it sounds like it's bouncing? Yeah, it's madness.

Josh: But that's interesting, uh, mate. Thanks for coming on the show.

Ryan: Always a pleasure.

Tommy: Thank you.

Ryan: Do you feel better off for the business advice?

Josh: I was actually— I really enjoyed that.

Tommy: I like it.

Josh: Yeah, Tommy liked it less than I did.

Tommy: No, I liked it. I enjoyed it. I think you get— I think it's easy, like, when you're actually getting sure on more things, it's much more— it's a fun process to actually talk through this shit because you've got in your head, we talk about it, and then when people ask you you can actually talk the truth.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Because you're making it up so much along the way.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Early days. And so those questions 6 months ago, what?

Ryan: One thing I am envious of is that like I don't have a business partner and I would love a daily like, what do you think of this? Yeah. Often I just spend time thinking about it myself.

Josh: But you got to be okay with them saying that's fucking dumb.

Ryan: That's the thing, like I need some help with ideas but you have to agree.

Josh: Yeah, you gotta, you gotta— what do they say? I was gonna say you can't have your cake and can eat it too. Sure, you can have your cake, you can eat it sometimes, but sometimes they'll say no more cake.

Ryan: Do I look like a guy that's missed cake in the last couple years?

Josh: How's it— you did F45, did you? Or no?

Ryan: What do you do? I don't anymore though.

Josh: How was it?

Ryan: I moved. It was, uh, it was hard for me because of the hours.

Josh: Yeah. Is Bridget still doing it or no?

Ryan: No, but she— when it's harvest for winemaking, she's ripped. She looks unreal.

Josh: Why during harvest? What does that mean?

Ryan: She's a winemaker, so she's carrying barrels, she's walking up and down ladders, she's in the fields for hours. She's walking around picking crap like it's a physical job.

Tommy: I mean, I'm seeing her rig shots, but they're on your account. You're posting a rig constantly.

Ryan: I couldn't believe I saw her for the first time in 5 weeks. I was like, oh my God, 5 weeks? So hot.

Tommy: Yeah, wow, that's a long time.

Ryan: Yeah, I had— it was the longest stretch just going.

Tommy: What can you say? What can you say right now that will definitely get you fired so you can come over and see her more often? No, I'm joking, don't.

Josh: Look at him, he's thinking about it.

Ryan: Such a great time. I love being over here. Yeah. So don't— I mean, did it bring the pressure on in October? Yeah.

Josh: Did I have the pressure, uh, when you saw Bridget and she was looking hot to be like, fuck, I need to go and do something other than wank on the couch at home?

Ryan: Well, no, because she was there.

Josh: No, when you, when you go to— when you're in Perth on your own, good to go.

Ryan: I mean, I go through phases daily where I'm like, I'm gonna start getting fit again, and then that's 5 years in a row that has not happened.

Josh: Wait, you were an athlete? Yep.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: So can you explain, because I think we got this at the very end last time.

Tommy: You definitely would have known this parachute thing that we've got in front of us.

Ryan: It's rare you see me without it.

Josh: Wait, so volley— were you volleyball? Beach volleyball? Are there two types of volleyball?

Ryan: Yeah, I played a little bit of beach, but indoor was my main one.

Josh: And what's the actual— what's the cultural difference between indoor and beach? Indoor— beach, they've got better tans.

Ryan: Beach is fun. There's music playing. You don't have to have shoes there's way less injuries because there's way less clothes.

Josh: Why couldn't you just do beach instead of indoor? You didn't have a beach close by?

Ryan: Well, yeah, I lived in Melbourne, which isn't a huge beachy area, and I didn't live near the beach. And also, it's sort of— I'm not that tall, I'm only 6 foot, and when you can afford one or two small guys in a team of 6 in indoor, but when you play—

Josh: it sounds like you're— they're making a sacrifice having you.

Tommy: Yeah, we'll bring the short prickles.

Ryan: It's more there's different positions, so I wasn't a hitter or a blocker. Um, I was a setter, which you setting it, it's sort of like the quarterback, so you're setting it to the hitters and stuff. Whereas in beach, you're everything. You can't hide a small guy, everyone does everything in beach, where there's, there's no positions in beach, but indoor there is.

Josh: Okay, sure.

Ryan: Yeah, so the setter is sort of like in cheerleading, you'd be the one that pushes, you throw it to the hitters, and I guess the game is they've got their blockers, you've got your hitters, so you've got to kind of maneuver, you know, that around.

Josh: Did you do it international level?

Ryan: Yeah, yeah, so I played in for Australia and Serbia in Europe, and then a US college, and then I played in Malaysia and French Polynesia for a bit.

Josh: That's good. Yeah, that's crazy. Did you actually— did you get any bad injuries or anything?

Ryan: Oh shit, yeah. I've had 3 shoulder reconstructions. This finger is fake. See that scar there?

Josh: Oh, can I feel it?

Ryan: Yeah, I got a fake.

Tommy: Wait, what do you mean your finger's fake?

Josh: What do you mean the thing? Yeah, before I touch—

Tommy: so prosthetic.

Ryan: So I broke it like 10 different times and they said there's more callus and cyst than there is bone in there, so we're just going to take the bone out and replace it with— they got a little bit of my wrist, and then they got coral because coral calcifies. So they got the coral, a bit of my wrist, made a new finger. And you can see there, it doesn't quite bend. Oh yeah, as much as the other one. And I've got a fake hip as well.

Josh: Can we give you a nickname? I feel like the Reef or something.

Ryan: The Great Barrier Man.

Josh: So does it feel weird? No.

Tommy: Can you— have you got any feeling, or is it gone?

Josh: Yeah, yeah. What does that feel like? I mean, it means like there's a guy holding your hand on a podcast. It was a single finger, it was a single finger.

Ryan: But my hip, I wake up sometimes with a small sore hip because that's not real hip. Yeah, but it was weird in the— I was 21 when I got it and I was like 80-year-old, 80-year-old, 80-year-old, 21-year-old. So I was very popular on the ward there.

Josh: I really—

Tommy: I've seen the photo of you in the ward holding the scans.

Ryan: Yeah, yeah, I look good back then, didn't I?

Josh: Yeah, he's ripped. Yeah, 6 foot. What, can you run and stuff? Because I always see people where it's like, yeah, I've had like 6 reconstructions of different things and now I'm running a marathon. And it gives me— it actually gets me excited because I'm like, hey, I've got like nothing wrong with me, maybe I could do it.

Ryan: When I walk to the bathroom in the morning, it sounds like a hip-hop concert because it just cracks. Oh, really? Like everything.

Tommy: The answer is yes, you can have a full knee reco and come back and play another season. Yeah, I don't know what you'd play. Another season of the podcast.

Josh: Yeah. And so you— but you don't do any more volleyball?

Ryan: No, I— the injuries caught up with me, and I was sort of not that good in that— do you push on through injuries so you can play in the third division in Belgium for 10 grand? Like, I wasn't going to be worth it anyway. When you see some AFL players and you go, oh, there's a bit of pain, but I could earn a million a year.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah.

Josh: But for me, it's like, who's making a million a year doing the beach volleyball? Oh, sorry, the volley—

Ryan: yeah, in Australia there's probably 10, 15 guys over $100 grand a year and probably 3 or 4 in the mills. Yeah, my mate Igor, who went to high school with me, he'd be in the mills. Tom Edwards.

Tommy: Really? Where's the cash coming from?

Ryan: Europe. 3 biggest sports in Europe: football, basketball, volleyball.

Josh: Wow, really? Yeah. And so they have like sponsor deals or something?

Ryan: Like, you play for a club and you, you know, that's the Italian league is the richest league in the world and that's huge.

Tommy: What do they, um, what's the turnout to these events like? How many people?

Ryan: Yeah, in Serbia I played in front of about 15,000.

Josh: Really? Have you got photos or something? Yeah, surely got something. What?

Ryan: Yeah, I've got something.

Josh: Have you had a bit of a rebrand though? Was there an— like, because I feel like if I was a volleyballer or played at that level, I would be all in.

Ryan: Volleyball guy?

Josh: Yeah, I'd be the volleyball.

Ryan: I was never interested in being a coach, so when you stop playing, you're like, well, that's sort of it.

Josh: Okay.

Ryan: And it was pre-social media, so I wasn't like on Instagram like, yo, I'm Ryan the volleyball guy.

Josh: Sure.

Ryan: Um, I kind of Yeah, I finished that up when I was 23.

Josh: And because they talk about like Olympics and shit, there's like orgies that go on and shit like that.

Ryan: It's all true. Is it like 100%?

Josh: Really?

Ryan: Yeah. Hang on, are you talking from experience or, uh, I've never got into the Olympic team, but, but even I'm guessing if that's the Olympic team, then like if the Olympic level— well, think about it, you've got all these hot people being in the same place.

Josh: Yeah.

Ryan: And there's a bit of a— you're really dedicated to doing it, and so when you finish Like, you might finish on day 9 of the Olympics that goes for 15 days. You're just hanging out for 6 days in the village.

Josh: Yeah.

Ryan: What are you gonna do? Yeah, not have sex with a hot Polish—

Tommy: You say Usain Bolt is eating KFC and having sex?

Ryan: Well, the annoying thing for athletes, heaps of KFC, the 100-meter sprints towards the end, whereas the swimmers is always at the start. The swimmers, some of them are finished on day 2, and then they just—

Tommy: and then you got Ricardo.

Josh: Swimmers though, there's a hot tip.

Ryan: Really? And water polo girls. They know what I'm talking about.

Josh: I guess I get the good core strength and stuff, the polo.

Ryan: I don't know why.

Josh: Yeah, they're just mad.

Tommy: Water sports.

Josh: Yeah, the chlorine or something.

Tommy: Should we, uh, put Mr. 97 in this? Yeah, we're running down the street.

Josh: Yeah, it's a Daily Talk Show.

Ryan: Future Olympian.

Josh: hidethedailytalkshow.com is the email. Otherwise, we'll see you tomorrow, guys.

Tommy: See you guys.