Josh's Fasting Fail

Tommy: The Daily Talk Show, episode 297. Happy hump day!

Josh: It's Wednesday.

Tommy: Yeah, flying this week. I mean, is that— that's— it does all— it's only when I say it that it sounds like it's flying, but it all rolls into one when we're doing so many of these podcasts.

Josh: How are you feeling?

Tommy: Yeah, I, I remember when I was doing radio and there was 5 days a week and, and there was 3 hours a day, or at least 3 hours of showtime, less talking.

Josh: Is the right— do you think it's more— does it feel like more effort doing the podcast or radio?

Tommy: Uh, very similar is what I'm saying. So I remember being the mix of it. We're actually— we've actually got a full-time job outside of this as well, so if anything, we're doing a lot more now. But I just remember there are times, and I don't know if it's burnout or it's just like you're flying down the road in the car and it's vvvv. And so you're in the period of time where you're just traveling. And so you feel like it's, you know, I can't remember what we talked about yesterday or the day before. And so you just, it's so much momentum of what's happening right now, right now, let's do it now. And that it feels like a bit numb. So that's the byproduct of doing so many episodes.

Josh: I think I'm on a, not even a high, I reckon I've, over the last 3 months, I've had highs, I've had lows, and this feels like maybe a week of I'm a little bit more neutral.

Tommy: You finally got a house. It could have something to do with it.

Josh: I spent the last, what, 4 months? What, November, December, January, February? Yeah, 4 months being not in a place, like being at mum and dad's and house sitting a bunch, and then before that, I spent 4 months overseas, which is why I was, when we got back, we had to find somewhere.

Tommy: Well, it was a pain point for you. Is it like, you know, like I think people who have routine or at least a place to call their own, you get just used to it. And it sounds like, you know, when I wanna lie down, I go home and get into my room. It's all been like that for a long time. I clean my room sometimes, but you haven't had your safe space essentially. You're like, you're nice, close-knit, you know, community.

Josh: Well, I went from working from home 5 days a week, yeah, to then being in not a lot of— not a formal office, we just have a space. But it wasn't until yesterday— yesterday was the first time where I got home before Bree and I was sitting on the couch and I had a podcast on and I had my laptop and I was just like super calm.

Tommy: When does it, 'cause I heard you say that to Mr. 97 earlier and I know you like some routine. When do you feel like you need to push back on routine? 'Cause you know, like you can almost, there's this thing where you go drastic change and things always, you know, ambiguity in everything you do versus sort of strapping in and hitting that routine and getting results.

Josh: I reckon routine, like, having travelled a bunch, I think that the routine, like, I love, and I feel like routine is actually what will enable me to be more creative, which I think most people think spontaneity, yeah, will create more creativity, whereas I think that me knowing that I wake up at this certain time, I have this hour doing this, I do that, I think that, um, well, if you were in a routine for too long and you felt like you weren't making progress, maybe the The opposite is true. Yeah.

Tommy: And it could sort of bring some life to you creatively if you do make some spontaneous choices.

Josh: Well, I think as part of it, like, I can be in sort of that gratitude mode at the moment because like even dumb shit like ordering groceries. Yeah. Was just so much fun. Like having to fill a fridge and picking like, Bree, let me in charge of groceries.

Tommy: Well, you did do it online.

Josh: Yeah. So it was easy.

Tommy: I've never done it online.

Josh: My brother came over because I had a slight meltdown on Sunday night trying to put together IKEA furniture.

Tommy: It's melted the most solid of humans in this world, IKEA furniture.

Josh: And so me, I'm already quite weak. And the— no, what happened was IKEA furniture, you always see it as the way that it's pitched is it's like IKEA furniture, it's all, um, uh, what are those things called that you like adjust something with?

Tommy: Oh, Allen key.

Josh: Allen key. It's all Allen key stuff. And it's like, I just, when I imagine IKEA, it's all like, oh yeah, you put that wood thing and then when it gets close it goes and it just like locks in. There were nails. I had to hammer things in. I had to get a grey lead. I had to set a line and that's where it went wrong. I had to line up the thing and I put the hammer through the thing. So anyway, I, uh, on Monday night, my brother Jake ended up coming over to help us.

Tommy: You outsourced it?

Josh: Well, the only reason it happened was because I said to Bree, uh, she wasn't working on Monday, which is why we got to do the walkie-talkie stuff on Monday with her. And, uh, RIP walkie-talkie segment. Uh, if you don't know what I'm talking about, listen to yesterday's show. Yeah. I'm sorry, but the, uh, the reason Jake came over was because I said to Bree you could hire someone from Airtasker.

Tommy: Hire a hubby? Yeah, that is one business.

Josh: And that's actually the one thing is that I was uncomfortable with, with the Airtasker thing. I feel like Bree has got a very hot photo of herself as a profile pic, and she was like, oh my God, I've got like 10 people who like—

Tommy: who knew?

Josh: And so I was a bit like, I remember when we were getting our windows washed before we left the last place.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And the guy just being a bit weird, like I was in the— I just didn't want to interact with him or whatever. He wasn't creepy, he was just saying, ah, you know, some guys are real creepy, like they'll, uh, they'll say, uh, they'll get someone over for Airtasker and then say, hey, do you mind like doing it in your bikini? But I'm definitely— I'm not that kind of guy.

Tommy: Oh geez.

Josh: But saying that was— seemed like it was almost a hint. Yeah, bury the lead.

Tommy: If you are thinking, don't bloody say it. Like, I mean, there's probably be some love storeys that have come out of Air Tasker, Uber. So you never know. The one thing we did say with the walkie-talkies, because you felt like, you felt a bit weird having the walkie-talkie in your hand in the lift, and you thought that when people see someone with a walkie-talkie, they're judging or they're thinking, what is going on here?

Josh: Bit of authority.

Tommy: I saw a guy last night, old Greek dude who lives across the road, and traditional old fella, and And he's walking down—

Josh: What's traditional about him?

Tommy: Like, think about traditional Greek looking, I don't know the term, nonna or like the—

Josh: I would say papa.

Tommy: Yeah, but there are—

Mason: Papou.

Josh: Papou?

Tommy: Papou, yeah.

Josh: Thank you, Mr. 97. How do you know that? Do you have Greek friends?

Mason: Jason's Greek, yeah.

Josh: Jason's all about that.

Tommy: So, you got Papou, he's walking down the street, lovely old fella, but he was holding bolt cutters. So like, you know, you could get through a lock and break into somewhere. And as much as sweet as he looked, I couldn't help but just think, this guy's sus. Yeah, it's one thing. And I was thinking about the things that you could carry or wear or anything that just make you automatically look sus. It's like a camera around a school, balaclava, balaclava. You can't be donning that anywhere.

Josh: How many people are using balaclavas as their official Because there are people like, yeah, balaclavas started off as we need to keep warm. I bought a balaclava to rob a house. No, no, weird thing. Sovereign Hill, there's a place in a place called Ballarat. Yeah, Sovereign Hill, it's like the ye olde, like the gold rush.

Tommy: Well, there was a gold rush there, 1800s. Yeah, and so it's— they've preserved some of this area and it's like old times, people dressed in old outfits. It's, uh, it's It's a tourist trap.

Josh: But I bought handcuffs, like weirdly they sold handcuffs at Sovereign Hill. Yeah, they bought them, they sold balaclavas. Interesting. Just weird shit.

Tommy: It is cold up there.

Josh: Maybe that's what it was for.

Tommy: But yeah, what is the purpose other than if you live in the Arctic?

Josh: If you're in New York, could you wear a balaclava?

Tommy: Geez, no way.

Josh: But if you had, because people have, what about, what is the thing?

Tommy: See something, say something, that's their bloody motto in New York City. You can't acts dodgy whatsoever.

Josh: I mean, like a ski mask.

Tommy: Yeah, ski mask. I mean, that's for skiing, it makes more sense. So it's, it's, um, it would make a lot of sense on a ski slope. But even still, seeing it, there's something horror movies or, um, bank robbery movies have just made. I mean, that's a bad business.

Josh: A ski mask is actually just a balaclava.

Tommy: Yes. Yeah, so okay, so maybe that's why I'm looking it up.

Josh: It looks pretty much the same.

Tommy: Mason, did you find something? Mr. 97, you were looking?

Josh: No, no, it was just checking Instagram.

Tommy: Yeah, geez.

Josh: But, uh, no, but the— so I'm feeling great. I'm feeling like I'm getting into a routine. It peaked this morning when I ordered, um— we, uh, had our friend Jordan Evans on the show a while back who has a company called Mingle Season.

Tommy: What's your, um, Insta handle? Spice Girl? Spice Girl Jordan.

Josh: Mingle Seasoning is more active on her Insta. Anyway, she came here and gave you a bunch of all the seasoning.

Tommy: Well, she gave us a bunch of seasoning, but then you were going away for 4 months. So I'm like, this is perfect timing unless you want to take some Moroccan spice with you.

Josh: Yeah, didn't make much sense. So I had it as a priority of when I got to Melbourne, I was going to get some Mingle Seasoning. And so I ordered it as part when I did my Coles purchase online, did the mingle seasoning online, and it already at 7:50 got a ring at the doorbell on the intercom, which the intercom has had its ups and downs already. You can go on our Instagram to see that whole deal. Not very easy to get off the video. Like once you're— because you can see, it's very good, you can see out into the open. And so I was sort of being cheeky and looking out and seeing what was going on.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: But I have a feeling that only one apartment can connect to the doorbell at one time.

Tommy: Would there be 800 apartments in your building? That is, I wonder how that works.

Josh: And so the problem was that a guy came up and was trying to dial an apartment. Yeah, I heard that. I was like, fuck, I'm trying to get out anyway. 7:50, AusPost. Yeah, ding on the doorbell. Go down, and it was the best experience I've ever had because the AusPost guy was— if you're an avid listener of the show, yeah, you would know my excitement of the— about a month ago I remembered the name of our postman, our courier. Yeah, uh, his, his name is Carnie, Carnie, and I have created a visual representation which is a carnival.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And so I'm imagining a Ferris wheel, which is—

Tommy: you don't want to— yeah, I mean, it's probably an insult to call someone a carny these days, but his name is actually Carney.

Josh: So his name's Carney, but carny is a term used for if you work at a carnival.

Tommy: Yeah, and it's, it's probably on the similar vein of a redneck or a bogan, like a carny that, you know, is just travelling around. And, and if you're— if you work on carnivals and you don't fit the, uh, description, I've actually seen and met a bunch of people when I was living in Shepparton.

Josh: Who are carnies?

Tommy: Who are carnies?

Josh: Carnies, people who are in circus sort of stuff. There's always sort of a dark side.

Tommy: Well, it's an interesting life because they actually travel around. They've got like— I see them in St. Kilda Beach when the carnival comes to, or the circus comes, and there's like, it's a full community.

Josh: Has The Simpsons done anything? The Simpsons, I feel like, would have covered carnie culture.

Tommy: Parodied it. Parody, parody, parody. It's not a word.

Josh: Anyway, yeah, they did something on it.

Tommy: And so you saw it, you, you see Carney.

Josh: So I say Carney, and I say, you're Carney, right? He's like, yeah. I'm like, oh, I'm Josh on Easy Street. He's like, oh, you're the camera guy. Yeah, it was this great moment where it was, I was, I knew his name.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: And it was the best experience because I thought like I felt like I was part of the suburb. Yeah, I was like this. And I also was thinking about the opportunities. It's like, if I'm not home, how far off am I from getting Carney's personal number? Yeah, or Carney having my number. And for me being like, hey bro, like, obvious— there's the obvious one which is like, hey man, trying to deliver something, are you home?

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: The next one is like, I see on the on the tracking, it's at the depot. Carnie bro, I see the shit's at the depot, can you make sure you pick that up?

Tommy: Yeah, I don't know what he's— he definitely has a route because I've seen him in a side street and it was that similar thing. It's like we had a moment, we're like, hey, like catching eyes and sort of out of context. It happened though, like think about Casey Neistat and his mailman Marlon, they're best friends. He's now an internet celebrity. Can we make Karni the AusPost, the Australian Marlon?

Josh: Yeah, I would, I would love that.

Tommy: He's a personality. I tell you what, there is different businesses or occupations that sort of attract a certain type of person. He's a character.

Josh: Well, I reckon I was actually, I was literally thinking about, because I said I'm on Easy Street, and I was like, I wonder if he knows like if he like knows all the different streets. I was like, fuck, for people who are mildly on the spectrum, yeah, if you're fucking autistic, you should 100% be a postman. Why? Well, because they're so good at like this street.

Tommy: Okay, yeah, yeah. So if you have like an obsessive—

Josh: yeah, sort of, if you were like into all the numbers and all that sort of thing, how fucking handy would it be? He's just joining the dots. Not only does he fucking know my exact address, but he'll know my birthday and all that sort of shit.

Tommy: Yeah, it's an interesting one. Like, I don't even know how that system works, the mail system. Like, I saw a guy— it was actually when we were going to your place— I think there was a dude delivering on a bike and he's sifting through his stuff.

Josh: I'm like, how does shit not get lost more often?

Tommy: Yeah, exactly. How— I mean, it does sometimes. I've sent something off and I haven't got the, um confirmation that it arrived there, so I'm fingers crossed.

Josh: What was it?

Tommy: It was a lapel microphone, and so I'm just— I sent it via like express post, so it should be there, but I am slightly worried.

Josh: Well, I've even— my New Balance shoes fucked up where the, um, every time I stood on my shoe, yeah, which you have to do when you stand because it's sort of— it's the bit.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And, uh, the heel would do this little pop sort of thing, which is annoying.

Tommy: You've cooked it.

Josh: Yeah, but they said, um, oh yeah, that's fine, we'll just— as soon as you return those ones, we'll send you new ones.

Tommy: That's pretty good.

Josh: It's awesome. But do they— they know how hard admin is for me, I think, because they—

Tommy: have you sent them?

Josh: No, not yet.

Tommy: Ah, geez.

Josh: So that was 2 weeks ago, but the popping is just getting worse, which is— which probably sells it in better. Like, the longer I wait Yeah, the, the later I get the new pair, yeah, I might get like, if I wait another 3 weeks, I'll get the new pair in April, then that will see me through to December.

Tommy: There is policies within businesses that people, they just know people will not do the thing. 100-day guarantee for a mattress. Who's sending the mattress back at 99 days? If that's you, that's a gronk move. You've had 99 days of sleep It's also—

Josh: there's so many examples of that too. But in Australia, there's the ACCC, which is like the consumer sort of affairs. They look after— they make sure that consumers are looked after. Yeah. The extended warranty is completely unnecessary. I haven't seen a time where I would need that. If you buy something and it breaks, you know, everyone's like, oh man, it's just after the 1 year. Yeah, if I have a watch, for instance, and it breaks within a year and a half, the ACCC—

Tommy: like, the love of you using a real-life example.

Josh: Well, because currently, if you, if you haven't heard, you might even see on Instagram, uh, I did a post of me holding the walkie-talkie, RIP, and, uh, the time said it was after 12 o'clock. Yeah. However, if you're an astute listener to the show, you know that that was recorded before 11.

Tommy: If someone actually picked that out, I'd give them— if I had a million bucks spare, I'd give them the million bucks. Because if you could—

Josh: isn't it 97? I think it's funny how hard Tommy goes on me about promises, and he just says, if he has—

Tommy: if I had—

Josh: if I had a million dollars, if I had a million bucks.

Tommy: Because if someone— I mean, maybe there's someone watching this and listening this intently, but that would be amazing. Your watch has been broken. Your $700 watch has been broken for how— it shouldn't have broken. That is literally like a full drive, hard to break.

Josh: And so I wear it because I think it looks on fleek. Yeah, sorry. But the problem is that it runs off GPS.

Tommy: What do you mean?

Josh: So what's meant to happen is I'm meant to press a button and it looks at the GPS, like the satellite sends it the time.

Tommy: That's how, like, it's big enough to store a frypan inside of it.

Josh: Exactly. It's that this is actually the satellite. It's got to have— it's about this for people who are playing at home. It's if you've ever had satellite TV, it's got a vibe like that. I can actually get every cable channel.

Tommy: It's huge.

Josh: But yeah, so you need a Baby-G. That's a G-Shock.

Tommy: Is it? I've got a Baby-G.

Josh: I've got the smaller G-Shock. The thing is that I actually got this because I saw a friend had something similar, and I did feel it is such a statement piece.

Tommy: It's—

Josh: yeah, that I felt a bit guilty and embarrassed when I saw him next because I was like, it's a sort of watch that feels like you can align your identity. Not that you want to be aligning your identity to the watch.

Tommy: Well, I think people do. Anyone who's really into watches like the further you go, the more money you spend. It is totally an identity thing. Yeah, like it's Rolexes, Breitlings, like there's people who are obsessed with watches.

Josh: And this is definitely not one of those. No, this is the, uh, the high-end sport. Like I was watching videos of like pilots using it, I'm like, fuck yeah. Yeah, pilots, scuba divers.

Tommy: Yeah, I, um, have never thought about really, like never really thought about getting watch. I'd never get anything that is actually mechanical. I've got no interest in them, or like that one that actually is ticking. I'd get an Apple Watch if I was to get one, but you put me off it today because last night I went for a run. Night before— this is rare for me to do 2 runs in a row— but I was holding, holding my iPhone.

Josh: Need a Quad Lock.

Tommy: Yeah, I could get an armband.

Josh: I think that's what the solution is, to be honest.

Tommy: Yeah, which I think it is probably a good solution based on the the fact that you told me the— I was like, can you listen to music through your Apple Watch? And you said only Apple Music.

Josh: I was paying for two subscriptions for a while, Spotify and Apple Music. Yeah, but that is one— I think that what's going to happen is like, uh, what happened with, um, Apple Maps. So when you got like CarPlay or whatever, it started off you could only have Apple Maps.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And Apple's like, oh, it's good, like why would you need anything else? You got Apple Maps. And I think that they tried to develop it enough and then they just broke and like, you know what, you can download— fucking download Google Maps.

Tommy: Well, the original iPhone had Google Maps on it, didn't it? Yeah, I just remember like you would have been across the transition. I just remember being the punter going, where the fuck is Google Maps? Yeah, and it was gone. There's some crummy—

Josh: I remember when like there was no App Store. Really? When you first got the iPhone, no App Store. You only had the apps that were on the phone.

Tommy: So you got— Very early days.

Josh: No, so I remember my— I was in school, my multimedia teacher got one from the US unlocked. It was the silver, the very first one. And I— the first one ever I ever got was the 3G, which was the one after the rounded back. The first one we ever got in Australia.

Tommy: Yeah, I got that one too. It was good.

Josh: It's pretty great. Like, I see, um, in Google Photos— I've downloaded all my stuff onto there— I see the old screengrabs of things like Twitter. Oh yeah, the other thing that it looked—

Tommy: now looks like my mother's phone who's enlarged all the text because of her eyesight.

Josh: Was it— there was someone the other day that had their phone on the smallest—

Mason: I know—

Josh: type setting. They didn't even realize. And I said, you know that you can, you can make that bigger.

Tommy: Well, a mutual friend of that— I mean, this is there is a world of people that are not tech savvy that have really been struggling the last, you know, 10 years. There was someone, I won't name names, but she was in here and I was transferring some audio files to her computer and I pressed sort of— first of all, there's two things. I clicked on one of the pieces of audio, didn't double-click, press spacebar so it just previews it. Yeah, how the hell did you do that?

Josh: Blown away.

Tommy: But then I could hear that it was only coming through one speaker, and I was like, oh, it must be blown. Like, she's like, oh, it's been like that for like 2 years. I don't know what's wrong with it. I went into the settings and it'd been pulled across— the balance had been pulled across to the right speaker. She'd been listening to her computer out of one speaker for over 2 years.

Josh: It's a big win though, because now she walks away with what feels like a new repaired—

Tommy: 100%. I brought life back to her computer. Yeah, it blew her mind. Yeah, like I'm not even tech savvy and I—

Josh: and that's why you're— I saw you really revelling in the whole thing because like you don't have that many experiences from a technology point of view.

Tommy: If I can get a tech win, yeah, I'm pretty happy about it because that's not the tech person.

Josh: Do you do the— are you in charge of the grocery shop?

Tommy: Um, at our place we do it, we do it a lot together. And we go, the thing is I like to go sometimes when Amy's looking after Bodhi, but it, 'cause if we all go together, it's a nightmare. Like I either have to be looking after Bodhi and Amy has to, you know, do a thing and then I'll swap and do it.

Josh: So where does Bodhi gravitate to within the supermarket?

Tommy: The dairy aisle to get his yoghurt.

Josh: Yoghurt, is it called?

Tommy: Yoghurt, it's just yoghurt. He can't say, yogurt. That's what he says. And he just wants the pouches of yogurt. He's obsessed with it.

Josh: He doesn't— he isn't— I mean, it's in regards to options.

Tommy: If you're in policy, he doesn't know. He knows bikkies, but he doesn't— he's— yeah, well, we don't give it to him.

Josh: Yeah, rarely.

Tommy: Sometimes Grandpa gives him a little bikkie, but we don't— like, he thinks ice cream's— you can substitute. You could give him a bowl of ice cream and then bring in a bowl of yogurt. He'll think it's the same thing.

Josh: I wish. Don't you wish it was like that?

Tommy: There is— if when I've gone full health nut, um, yeah, I, I've— there is a point where you have deprived yourself of sugar where you think that protein powder actually tastes like confectionery.

Josh: I'm thinking of our mate Ruru and her Insta stories. Ruru's been doing, I think it's something like a 70-hour fast.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: And she's InstaStorying her death basically. There was a point yesterday where she was like, "Hey guys, I'm on hour 52." Yeah. "I'm struggling to hold up the phone. I'd recommend not driving." But what she did say was she was craving a watermelon.

Tommy: Yeah. Is she dehydrated? Is a fast—

Josh: She should be having water. I'm sure she's having teas and things. Things like that.

Tommy: It's pretty extreme. Like, I find that super extreme.

Josh: But the thing is, yeah, if I did that, you would pull me up straight away because it's very much like she's counting the weight to like 3 kilos down, 4 more to go.

Tommy: Yeah, that's just water though at that point.

Josh: Yeah, and she knows that.

Tommy: It's, it's an interesting one. I mean, I, I would pull you up because I'd need you to be cognitively here to do the show. It would just like—

Josh: yeah, when I've done fast before, I remember Embarrassingly, when I was working on a—

Tommy: You shat yourself?

Josh: No, I didn't shit myself. Worse, when I was— geez, it has more cut-through when you say shit rather than shat, do you reckon? Did you think that too, 97?

Tommy: Did I say shit?

Josh: You said shat, I said shit. And when I said it, I was like, oh, that seemed too much. But the— when I was, I was working on a film called Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead. I was a community manager.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: So I watched this film on Netflix. I was using a VPN. Netflix wasn't in Australia at the time. Watch this film of this Aussie guy, legend, named Joe Cross. He's got the same vibes as like Mark Boris, this business dude, but sold it all to go around the US and to juice and to teach people about health stuff. Yeah, so it was fucking amazing. Reach out to him, said, can I be the community manager? And before you know it, I was doing a 2-week juice fast. I couldn't fucking stomach the greens. Yeah, this was— this was so long ago that you could not buy kale in Australia. Silver beet was the only option.

Tommy: So it wasn't cool?

Josh: Yeah, this was, this was prior, this was 2010. I mean, it would have been a point with like açaí berry.

Tommy: Yeah, like that wouldn't have been— just couldn't get it given a shit about it.

Josh: Well, especially like those types of açaí feels like you can, I can freeze it and send it. Yeah, kale, you actually need to grow the shit locally.

Tommy: Yeah, 100%. It's— yeah, it's definitely— kale is now cool.

Josh: Yeah, and so I was having the green. I couldn't— day one I tried drinking green juice.

Tommy: Yeah, what was in it though?

Josh: I put some celery. Yeah, I put silver beet, and I put— they said a thumb of ginger. How much is a thumb of ginger?

Tommy: Well, my thumb to your thumb is different.

Josh: Well, so I've got a toe thumb.

Tommy: Like, mine's— I mean, yeah, you're getting a few more grammes out of your thumb.

Josh: But is that what a thumb— 97, you know a bit. Is it referring to a ginger thumb? Like, if you take a a piece of ginger. Is that a thumb? You don't know? Can you look it up?

Tommy: No, like a thumb of ginger.

Josh: A thumb of ginger.

Tommy: Thumb of ginger.

Josh: So the thumb of ginger, the size of ginger root varies.

Tommy: An unwashed root will last longer.

Josh: If a recipe calls for a thumb of ginger, it usually means a piece that is about 5 centimeters, 2 inches long.

Tommy: Yeah, that's huge.

Josh: Yeah, so I put in, and I was like, at the time I'm like I was 120 kilos. Yeah, I fucking loved gingerbread, and it says put ginger in.

Tommy: Yeah, so you're thinking—

Josh: so I'm like, I look at my thumb and I'm like, okay, so I just put the— I just like, you know what, this is going to be the winner. I don't want to taste greens, I just want to—

Tommy: yeah, yeah, yeah.

Josh: And so I put this, the biggest fuck-off piece of ginger you've ever— and I essentially burnt my esophagus.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Oh yeah, on Day 1, first juice in. And, uh, so for the following 8 days— I only did it for 8 days— I, um, I basically had, um, orange juice. You're only meant— you're meant to really be having 80% vegetables. Yes, only 20% fruit. And you did.

Tommy: And I was like, yeah.

Josh: And so my lips were chapped by day 8. Lips were chapped. Every— my face was orange. I had— my lips were completely orange. Everything felt crusty. Yeah. And I went and I had a DEXA scan. I'd lost so much lean muscle.

Tommy: Really?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So that's—

Josh: and the thing was— and so, and the worst bit was that I was meant to, um, break the fast with a salad, and instead of doing that, I had coconut rice and a curry.

Tommy: Tim Ferriss does these fasts and he does them under medical supervision. I think he has nothing Well, Mum actually drove.

Josh: I was— I just remember being depleted, sort of like how Ruru described, right?

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: I'm like in the passenger seat. Mum took the day off work and drove me to the DEXA scan so I could sort of lie down almost dead as they're scanning. And she's like, the DEXA guy's in a nutri— like, he was an exercise scientist or whatever, like had a background in nutrition. He's just like trying to explain. I remember he blew my mind because he's like, oh yeah, like, I'm he was like a lean guy and he was like, yeah, I have peanut butter on toast every day. Like, you can still eat that and lose weight. And I was just like, I was like, this guy's full of shit.

Tommy: Oh, there's nothing more disappointing than watching movies with dudes who are ripped that are eating bad food. I'm just like thinking, that fucking asshole. Yeah, so get away with it.

Josh: Trying to work out what to, um, to buy. Yes, with, with groceries. Bree put me in charge and, uh, Are there certain things, if you were to say you had to get, you're getting an apartment, first 5 things that you buy, what would it be? In the pantry, building out a pantry.

Tommy: Salt, pepper, oil, olive oil.

Josh: Got Coles oil.

Tommy: That's not olive oil.

Josh: Yeah, Bree was like, oh, you got Coles.

Tommy: The Coles brand.

Josh: It's $5 versus $12. Okay, 97 Euro tight ass, would you go Coles? Would you be okay with Coles virgin?

Mason: So how much, how much is it?

Josh: It was $5 and the premium—

Mason: for how much, like 5kg or how— we bulk buy oil, so we get like a 20kg.

Josh: I'll find out the exact— it was— no, it wasn't a huge one.

Tommy: If you're paying $5, it'll be no more than 700ml.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: I don't think— like, that's the one we get.

Josh: It's like, would you go premium though for that sort of thing?

Tommy: I don't really usually care. Amy does. She cares about what it is, like virgin olive oil or just olive oil.

Josh: Yeah, that's right. So I'll tell you the, the exact, um, we're looking at the, the list of things. Yeah, but, um, extra virgin olive oil, it's, um, 500ml.

Tommy: Yeah, $5. Yeah, I don't know if that's 500ml. Yeah, well, it's, it's fine.

Josh: Bree wasn't happy you didn't get any Glad Wrap.

Tommy: Yeah, so if you're kitting out the house, it's the necessities. Like, you could get flour, like flour, sugar, things to make stuff. But if you're not going to use it, this is the thing, you could pack it with stuff. The amount of times we've thrown out flour because we've had it there for 2 years. The thing with the shopping list that I see, is that all geared around meals that you've decided to make?

Josh: Not really. That's a lot of unfinished. So last night I said that we could have fruit salad for dinner.

Tommy: I did hear that on the phone.

Josh: Well, because the thing was that Bree says to me every time we move apartments, yeah, the a silly purchase by me.

Tommy: What's this?

Josh: So the purchase, the Port Melbourne, the silly purchase was I bought a big fucking case of, um, caramelised popcorn.

Tommy: Yeah, not necessary. I mean, Costco, nice.

Josh: Silly purchase.

Tommy: Silly purchase.

Josh: Uh, moving to Abbotsford, I bought, um, the extra large pack of Zooper Doopers. For the freezer. Yeah, silly purchase. We didn't eat any of them.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah. So now you feel way too—

Josh: and the thing is, they're too naughty too. So I'm like, I'm gonna go really healthy. But Bree says my silly purchase— she, she calls me and she said, what's the deal with the fruit?

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: I said, what do you mean? She said, well, I thought it was strange because the guy brought— we got click and collect where you pay and you go to the supermarket and they give them to you. The guy brings out all the groceries and he said, now I've just got to go and get the fruit because it was too much for me to carry. And then he's like, what is it? What does that mean? All right. And so I got a box of fruit.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: That I thought was sort of a pack that you'd get that's good for a week. Coles are doing for some reason like fucking corporate boxes. What I've ended up with is so much fruit. Yeah. That, so it was a $50 box of fruit. It's ridiculous. Because, and because Bree's like, how much, like, I guess you work it out, like there's watermelons, there's nectarines, there's apples, there's bananas, there's berries.

Tommy: You've done a lucky dip of fruit.

Josh: There's bananas, bananas are expensive at the moment and it's got a lot of bananas.

Tommy: Yeah, I did see a lot of bananas at your house. This is the thing, I think you'll probably be off, be off that style of shopping very soon. You do literally just go, this is 4 meals I'm making, this is all the ingredients, that's it. But you do have to get all the, the stuff to make it, you know.

Josh: I think the key things, if I was to say what the very important stuff— seeded, I used to call it seeded mustard.

Tommy: What is it?

Josh: Correct, whole grain mustard. Seeded would imply that it's been seeds moved, removed maybe.

Tommy: Seeds.

Josh: I typed in seeded mustard on Coles, couldn't find anything, but whole grain, whole grain mustard. So whole grain mustard, amazing purchase, I think. Really good price too at $2, Coles brand. And the other thing that has been a game changer for me, I've already nearly had the whole jar and I got it yesterday, is what? Cucumber dill, which is like a gherkin.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And so I've just been eating them like a pregnant woman or something.

Tommy: Dude, slow down because you're gonna get through that $50 box of fruit. Geez, maybe bring it in here. There is a business.

Josh: Bree did say that. Bree said, oh, why don't you share it with the office?

Tommy: Bring it in, because you won't— that's the— I feel so not sad, but I just feel so disappointed in myself when I have left and have to throw out food. Like, I just feel it's like it's— I've really done a bad thing.

Josh: I've had an orange today, yeah, banana, an apple.

Tommy: Yep, well, you're regular. That's what we know from this episode.

Josh: You're going to be regular, like as in toilet-wise. Lots of fiber, and I'm staying hydrated as well. 97, I mean, you're, you're 19 years old. Yeah, you've got a, he's, you've got a good sense of the supermarket type stuff. Does he?

Tommy: He shops at Aldi.

Josh: Well, I think, but I think he does the whole spectrum. He goes to every place and finds out the best stuff. Yeah. Is there anything that you think that, like, a bit of a supermarket hack around things that I need or I should buy, or Well, we—

Mason: yeah, get, get those, um, get those eggs, eggs done.

Josh: Yeah, so you're talking about these eggs done? No, as in, so he's just got a good deal on eggs?

Mason: Yeah, because you guys have like boiled eggs all the time. Yeah, something that Josh wants to get into eating more of, and there's just a place near my house that does super, super cheap eggs.

Josh: How much are they?

Tommy: What are they, caged eggs? No, no, free, free-range, battery-powered chickens.

Mason: No, it's like $7 for 2 packets of of free-range eggs. 2 dozen, 1,500 hens per hectare.

Tommy: Yeah, that— they give you the hen breakdown per hectare.

Mason: Yeah, well, it's legal, it's required on all packaging, but like per hectare.

Josh: I was like, I know I don't want to buy the fucking chicken, I just want the eggs, but that's actually a part of it to know. Yeah, so what's a good ratio if I'm wanting to buy eggs? What should I be looking at?

Mason: Uh, how many eggs there are, um, how many, how many chickens there are, uh, per hectare, which is usually like 10,000.

Josh: Okay.

Mason: And like the super premium ones are like 1,500 hens per hectare.

Tommy: I used to train a woman who told me she worked in some field where they were looking into eggs and fertilisers and free-range stuff. She said the free-range chickens are being affected by the farms around and the pesticides and stuff they're using. So he's like, she's like, but you still can—

Josh: I think out of the two, you're just gonna You still got to be able to—

Tommy: I mean, you love paying full price for something. They are a lot more expensive. But the battery stuff, like these ones—

Josh: are you a cage egg guy?

Tommy: Uh, no, I go free range majority of the time. Depends on what I'm using it for, but I like it.

Mason: Like, free range is expensive.

Josh: Yeah, but why is— I've bought some eggs. So we— the eggs that we use, we had egg, but we ended up with bacon and eggs last night rather than fruit.

Tommy: That's good. It's a nice—

Josh: because we didn't have the avocados that they picked for us. Weren't ripe enough, so we couldn't have the avocados. But anyway, um, the eggshell breaks very— like, cracking them. Is that a good— is it— is it quality? If I'm looking for a quality egg, should it not crack easily?

Mason: No, I think it's— I think it's how yellow the yolk is.

Josh: The— you have to beg your pardon? The yolk.

Mason: Yolk.

Josh: Yolk.

Mason: Yolk. Yolk.

Josh: Yolk. Is that— is yolk a New Zealand thing, or you just fucked up?

Mason: Okay, no, it's how bright and yellow.

Josh: Okay, yeah, but that's very hard to know once it's— I get it. But I would like to know what's been frustrating is, I don't know if I'm just not used to it, but breaking the eggs every single time, the whole shell was just everywhere.

Tommy: Yeah, it's called you just start cooking more. Yeah, you'll get there, you'll get there, baby boy.

Josh: Where— well, I, I think I might make you some fruit salad. Yeah, I actually got a bit of lamb as well. Yeah, so I'll use the mingle seed. What would you suggest on the mingle seasoning? Do you know which one?

Mason: For lamb?

Tommy: Yeah, it's very specific. You don't need it, I don't think, for that one. I don't think you need it.

Josh: I don't have any other spices.

Tommy: Salt, dude, go buy some salt and pepper.

Josh: It'd be good to flavour it. Yeah, but there's definitely one for that. All right, it's a Daily Talk Show. Um, hi@thedailytalkshow.com if you want to send us an email. You were, uh, very critical, and we all were critical of the, um, the walkie-talkie segment.

Tommy: Yes, yes. Yeah, I mean, we were. It felt like a bit of a train wreck, but not everyone thought it was a train wreck.

Josh: Yeah, we got, uh, we got a Ben Harlem, now this is content.

Tommy: Yeah, straight out of New York City, that comment.

Josh: And so that's, that has, uh, cut through. Also, um, Sean, it was amazing. Yeah, Chris GW, cry like a happy cry.

Tommy: Yes, Chris Gordon Walker, shout out to you.

Josh: Then a sad cry, then a happy cry again. Yeah, it's a roller coaster.

Tommy: It was happy and then turned into a sad and then brought it back up.

Josh: Yeah, but we also, we got an Insta storey as well from Gabby from Canada, and she was saying she was up late, 4 AM, does shift work. Geez, crazy.

Tommy: That's very late and early.

Josh: And I said to her, I wanted to front foot the episode, I said, hope the walkie-talkie disaster of today, Zep, doesn't put you to sleep. Yeah. And she said, haha, not a chance.

Tommy: I think we're very hypercritical. It was Mason's comment to us yesterday.

Josh: Best train wreck radio. Look forward to more walkie-talkie goodness. Yeah, can we get that on a poster? We could. Anyway, I just thought that was to bring us up at the end. Yeah, it was a fucking— it was, it was actually really great.

Tommy: Yeah, not everything is how you think it is. And that's what it's like, even when—

Josh: when you're saying Gabby's wrong, or—

Tommy: no, no, I think I think a bit about it, definitely a bit of both. But I— anytime— this is for anybody, it's like, I always know when you, when you're knee-deep in it, I can't help but think most videos I do are shit. Yeah, but I know that I, I— it can't be the— it cannot be the case that every single one is. Yeah, if you do enough, like every one of these episodes.

Josh: I get that, it's a daily talk show. Tomorrow we'll get an update from Mr. 97 about his dating, and we also— yes, at the end of the show, the last 5 5 minutes, we'll have our mate Eric, who, uh, he's been fucking InstaStorying me. He's got some stuff to share.

Tommy: Yeah, he's dusted off a piece of something. It looks like that he's prepped for tomorrow's show, which we'll find out.

Josh: The Daily Talk Show. Have a good one, guys. Bye.