#293 – Erik’s Perspective/
- February 28, 2019
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show we discuss:
Public transport and the anxiety of Myki cards
The consequences of giving references
Receiving international support for Mr. 97 and his quest for love
Checking in with our American Correspondent
Erik’s perspective on life in America
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It is the daily Talk Show Episode 293 What's going on guys?
It is Thursday here in Melbourne, Australia. Yeah,
it's a stinking hot week again here
summertime but 36 you the top. And I was just gonna say I was wanting to frame where we are in Melbourne for people who don't understand we're
on the fringe of the CBD central business district. We're a few kilometers on a tram, which is like a train but goes on the road. It's
a it's like a train but affected by traffic is
an annoying drive. It is a
in some regards. It's a poor man's bus.
They are great. I've been around for a long time here in Melbourne. They used to have him in Sydney. They're actually bringing them back to Sydney and George Strait. I think in the CBD. They may be Josh right there. Anyway, they've created a new rail was George Strait. Yes. And who else has got them?
Well, we don't have I think the New Age Tran might be a monorail.
I would you say that elevated above so there's no traffic. It's just yeah, there was one in Sydney they've taken that one. Why is the monorail the monorail?
But I I think a lot of people get into the if you're in the inner city. Yeah. A lot of people get into the whole tram thing. If you're within I think it's a to two kilometers. Yeah, it's like free tram
travel the the one difference, the tram free traveling. So there's just like a zone in the CBD where it's free. And if you travel without a ticket, and you enter that zone. So when you're traveling with having to get some anxiety happening, yeah. There's no ticket inspectors similar
anxiety to stealing something from a shop and walking out. Yeah, I
guess it would be similar anxiety. So you're sitting on the tram. And then over the loudspeaker, as you enter the zone, it says, boom, boom, boom, you have now entered the free trade zone. And it's just like,
believe I feel like if I was to ever be on a tram and not be paying and touching on as they say, we have a system called my key here,
which is flawed.
It's very slow. It's like I'm in London, they have open wizard in Sydney,
London oyster, oyster cat is
always together. Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. That is a system that works. Yeah. Well, the thing is, these are these are not government owned. businesses. Well, they
contracted out I think they like to attend or whatever. Yeah, they mentioned so much cash.
And so the the one that I like, I still don't know if I tap on and tap off. And literally every time I get on the bus, I start googling it. Yeah, and this is rarely so it's like, it's not like every day, it's like once every couple of months, and I'm just tired. I just cannot remember if you tap on and also tap off. Because in in New York and land, I think you're tapping on and tapping off
to get so much quicker. So much quickly. I remember I probably been on a bus more overseas than in Australia. I feel like I'm a huge public train. You haven't
lived in Sydney, if you live in Sydney, it's bus town. There's trains, but there's like a whole bunch of areas where you can't get to, and the bus system is epic. It's like, if you live in Bondi, the closest train station is Bondi Junction, which is four K's from Bondi Beach. And then you can go further to the other beaches, and you have to get a bus. And the system over there works so well.
That's what the where it actually matters is if the system works,
your system works, you will use it. Yeah, exactly. There was a woman on a Melbourne train, sorry, Melbourne tram.
This week, who there was a photo of her and she had her eyes closed sitting on the chair. And then across from her. So someone was taking a video from the opposite chairs, taking a video and there was a ticking inspector sitting down talking to this young lady and the young lady had her eyes closed. She looked, you know, well dressed. She looked a bit hippie ish.
She was meditating. And she said to the ticket that taking this Victor, I've got eight more minutes or something like that. I've got six more minutes left. I'll be with you in a moment. And she was just meditating on the chair. And it
definitely didn't tap on.
I think the whole story was that she she? Yeah, she wasn't someone who was trying to evade the system.
Right? The law a bit annoying.
Well, she was meditating. Leave her alone.
I don't know if that's,
I mean, you've got one side, like this person's just doing their job asking people,
I feel like you should just be doing like what they say. Yeah, but she was meditating. It's not a line. Like if you did that on a fly. Yeah, that all of a sudden, you'd be thrown off. And yeah, we don't have
the privilege to use the service is.
I was sitting on a tram coming over to work. This was about a year and a half ago. And I was sitting next to this lovely, lovely lady just casually dressed, sort of looked at her and smiles looking at the window, and then maybe 30 minutes into the trip. She pulls out a badge at me. She's like, I'm just going to check your ticket things. I felt like I'd been had done by I felt like we'd built rapport. And then she got me and I was a law abiding citizen that day a Maki abiding citizen, so I was fine, but these are undercover
ticket inspectors. It sounds like there's a show in the state. I think it's called dateline. Yeah, where they? I think it's called to catch a predator. Yeah,
that's it's enjoyable and disgraceful all the same time.
So it's like the thing is, it's you know, 13 what a guy thinks that a 13 year old girl that he's chatting to Yeah, he's a fucking essentially a pedophile. Yes. And he's saying hey, yeah, come over and all that sort of thing and then it's so fun watching like there's a guy I forgot his name, but he comes out the host Russ my fuck you got dumb? Yeah.
I mean, when was it? I would love to know when the last episode of that dialogue show was feeling because I think like nowadays, imagine how and I have no sympathy or empathy for pedophiles whatsoever. We're no pedophile show. No peds but what happens to those people like the the shine so if they've never acted as and I'm not like, I'm literally just playing right now. I've
had show no pitch myself.
But if they've never acted out and they're just being creeps online, they should be prosecuted. But at what extent is it wrong that they're added on a reality TV show? I think it's
fair. I think if there I think that we like
a nice way shy like public public shaming in like public
public prosecution is greater than ever. I think you need to I reckon all of these things need to happen. Like George pal, what was what was he saying it was a priest, whatever God is being convicted and there is an activity it's a cultural phenomenon almost of people yelling abuse and be have to do that. I think that a society it's like we we feel like we need to be expressing some something this time to make a very clear statement that it's not okay,
we're in a pretty PC time. And a show like that. The sensibility of even dangling bait out for these predators like I could see that they would see that as like, you're I know you're catching the but you're also dangling bait like I don't
I don't reckon I think that where it probably gets tricky. It is tricky is when you dealing with electrically tricky with with, like the mentally ill and stuff like that. But I think that it's a, you know, like you do probably feel sorry for these people. But you also think about the destruction that they call its fact by doing
that. Do you know there is like a support group for people who have
but they've never acted out.
And so they come together and they feel
so much guilt around that so much shame.
About it's like a mental illness or something. Yeah,
that's a fucking hard one. hard one. Like, if you Yeah, you said you said to me, I said, all be so disappointed if I found out one of my mates was a pedophile. Well, this year because I
was just thinking about George George Powell. This guy, we can talk it like in Australia, they had a gag order or whatever, because there was trial so no one could talk about it. But I don't know George pal
was connected to the Vatican. He was a Melbourne, Melbourne man who I have
been very hard
to think. But just imagine if you were giving this guy because the thing is that when you giving people references Yeah, you just banking on the fact that you'd like Who knows? If because I think there's probably there's being pushed backwards like our people are giving personal references and stuff. George Palin, they've been Yeah, how bad is that? Yeah.
I was afraid Yeah.
Previous Prime Minister of Australia The thing is, I'm short like the not knowing that he's a pedophile. And so that's what's so fucked up about it. Yeah. Anyway,
I mean, giving references putting your name to something I mean, you would think
I think people just get unlucky as if you've actually had an honest conversation with somebody
how you meant to not like how
maybe the interesting bit is when you look I've had people close to me that I you know hold up quite high and respect recommended people and vouch for somebody and my interaction with that somebody hasn't been good it's been she's had not a
but just a bad
client bad bad operator yeah
just like I'm snow ID trading me with disrespect and and then I think about the person who put me in touch them I I almost did it sort of brings them down
not be also need to realize it's like what are they what context Do they have Yeah, right. Moving away from pedophile or Yeah,
we got to do with the chicken around the world for Mr. 90 sevens mission to find love we've had some support. Mr. 97 we've had support coming in from all around the world Yeah, Tennessee. Chelsea she's sees rap night she said Good luck Mr. 97 today that was this was before Yeah. Remember if it is meant to be it's meant to be don't stress too much awesome. That's lovely Chelsea thank you and she mentioned about a bunch of other stuff your your you know your supports gone this is now support for the day talk show
the amount of power if it's meant to be if it's meant to be otherwise there's always Chelsea in Tennessee.
She said I listened to the daily talk show every day while I do cardio to make it more enjoyable she's hinting
that's what it is. He does cardio
train Yeah. And then I enjoy watching Netflix afterwards.
It's now one of my favorite parts of the day thanks for the quality content every day. So she she likes quality content which is on Netflix. And she likes training so Chelsea
that could be fun to say maybe they could be they could be a nice because I was bringing that to Mr. Mr. 97 Bry was pointing out like I was showing a bits from the show yesterday I liked doing the the update Yeah, I actually will driving Mr. 97 home and I was trying to show Bry content and she was she driving no I was
trying to show it was like hey
video I was like bring up your phone or you outsource it to 97 What's a break I just told bridge okay yeah yeah
yeah, she's like not copy but what does she was motion sick? She said I can look it in the car. But as soon as we got high I had it all that showing but she was saying she was like are you gotta be careful when you like when I what was the the moment I year when I asked Mr. 97 if he was still open Yeah, men are open for business.
Gotta be careful to laugh You know? Your laugh and
it was only clear who's laughs just talk Yeah,
true. What I have realized throughout this whole thing with a team highlight Mr. 97 you put a question to him he'll answer it so be careful about the question that you like you gotta understand and then you put it out on Instagram that bit
yeah. So I
was like Jay Z he's really doubling down
you got to be comfortable The thing is that we would hope that people understand the context you bring out we cut a bit that makes it sound like you're
I'm not gonna double down on that like the you know you so you could easily cut up a bit to be like oh jacket said we had another guy
also auto auto mind if anything's like kind of kind of made sense.
I mean, it's not and just as long as not disrespecting anyone else and that's no I appreciate that like because if you actually taking the time to watch this show and listen to the show you you get Yeah, kind of guy and you saying I like your was your you said it you still like it's he can feed someone an answer like
yeah, and people don't know that the reality of it all which is slow and steady. Yang very respectful.
Here's the guys never gone on a date. They couldn't be anyone less. Yeah, anyone. You know, he's He's a great man.
He's not. We call it a man. A man.
A man a file. No.
Amanda. Anyway. So Chelsea,
Chelsea from Tennessee.
Oh, sorry. I have to bring up one other thing that Chelsea said. It's probably a no go. So maybe it's she she runs but she's not. You're not for her more. So she said my best friend growing up shared with a dog and it was possibly the weirdest thing I'd ever seen. There is nothing quite as uncomfortable as a dog watching you naked. But I'm also one of those people who shuts dogs out of the bathroom when I go pee. Yeah. Your lead unit man. Yeah.
Like I get that. So she just doesn't like though I think from a hygiene point of view. I sort of get it. The don't like I guess I feel like after sharing this don't while you're in the shower. You'd want to take the dog out and have like a full night lane with your own shampoo and
dangling tackle. He could just jump out. Yeah,
that's a careful, bro. It's a slight risk. But I'm also we heard from Dylan from Toronto who has we've got some very exciting updates coming to me tomorrow we'll talk about it. Yeah, Fun Fun Fun Fact Friday about the squeegee stuff so Charles as one of the squeegee members Yeah, the squeegee crew verse five she was you'll be interested in knowing what's happening with that. But
Dylan from Toronto did say keep looking for love 97 sending heart from Canada.
Right so you got
your American sport. You've got your Canadian Australian it's coming in from right around the globe. Someone else who does love you and supports you is Eric
Yeah, our American correspondent we should we should get him up his his from
folk Northcote Yeah, so we we try and give him a buzz. Every What day? Is it? Thursday every Thursday. Once awake Wednesday. We haven't broken it in. It's Wednesday, Eric's time. So we're just FaceTime audio. So it doesn't cost me a huge amount of money. Eric Eric Eric
I'm doing well. How are you? Yeah,
very well. Where are you right now paint the picture for us.
I'm smelling some oxy clean.
Smelling some oxy clean. What is that? It's like a it's like a cleaning product. I'm guessing
that's what you wash your clothes with. Okay, great. So
sort of a nice laundry smell. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
I'm on the laundry. I'll have the Family Dollar. Okay. Right.
Is that is that I supermarket? Is it or convenience store
know that? I mean it would you call this a super market or convenience. Your market
is funny. I was asking.
No, no, no. More in the convenience stores. It's more.
Super. Yeah, yeah.
He has taken too long answer the question like we live live on air we got we got things to talk about. Yeah.
Hey, Eric, what jobs have you had across your life? You answered the phone like you're the manager.
So just What job?
What job that I had a customer like me before I did drugs.
Let's get the free drug post drug.
I mean, I mean, you know, there was a corner pimp that was
Have you ever done I worked at a fast food place.
I worked at chick fil a.
Pick your love life.
My brother is from North Carolina. And he he was sort of bragging because the guy who was the what is the MC? What's that called? When these are?
The actual officiant
Yeah. The celebrant, the middleman. Yeah, the celebrated man between human God and human the like the partner.
The preacher, the preacher. Yeah,
he wasn't the preacher.
What is the title for the man officiating? The wedding
celebrant? Yes. Yeah. Celebrate.
it. Appreciate it. Right.
Yes. He's asking I like that you getting the convenience store for on it. But no, the guy who did that bit he owned a bunch of chick fil A's. And that was a big talking point within the whole space.
And so you worked at chick fil a any other fast food joints?
I worked at Pizza Hut pizza that
I did they have all you can eat pizza heart. In America.
We did at one point in time. Yeah.
And did they have a setup? So in Australia Pizza Hut used to be it actually had a specific design with the road. Yeah,
we call them red roofs. red roof. And is it still the same there? Do they still have no
no, we don't we don't have those anymore. They decided to discontinue all the pizza. Because the fat boys eat all the food and they couldn't keep the pieces out there. So
can you take away still from there?
You can get takeaway if you're not scared to get shot seven times on the way out the door.
No, I mean, that was a joke there. They're not dead. Not that day.
Is it st because you and I were talking over the weekend about Taco Bell vs. Aaa. And you were giving me a whole lesson on sort of socio economics and where people lead and all that all that sort of
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Japan, Japan, where the rich white people go and talk about with the poor black people though. Yeah, okay, cool.
I mean, what is what's the upcoming fast food like for when we go to the US we get excited about in and out? Is that connection sort of white guy? territory or like what is what do you think is
the as in and out in and out is more of a West Coast store.
Where do we have over here on the east? We have
five died. Yeah,
we have taken shape. We have
listen places. I tell you.
What a burger. I feel like I had
Carl's Jr. is hard. He's on the east.
hotties it's a different night.
You know what we train people Burger King, you know what we call Burger King in Australia? What hungry Jacks? It's actually the same logo and everything.
Oh, wow. Are you jack? I want to I want to call it a Burger King. But okay.
So what else have you done in your life? So you've done the sort of fast food joints? What anywhere else?
I deliver newspapers. I worked at a grocery store. I worked in the airport.
TSA or what did you do at the airport? Like bag? You
know, I got choked up by the TSA like seven times.
I did. So at the Norfolk International. So when you go into any airport, you'll notice that there's a food court. Yeah. Neither man, though. Yeah, those food courts there. They're different little areas, maybe a beer place or something. But either way, all of those those areas of service by one particular person. So you get this one guy, he has a car, he goes around and he makes sure that all of their back rooms is blocked. Because the whatever they need up front is putting the bolt somewhere. Yeah, that's what I did. Yeah.
Did you know In Australia, gun laws a very tight, I've actually I've shot a gun in the US at a gun range. What's your view on the gun stuff? Have you ever owned a gun? Do you and again,
I refuse to get a gun because I know about 12 people. I'll shoot the first time I get my hands on one.
So I am anti gun for that purpose.
I mean, I kind of stray away from the politics of everything in my life. But uh
he's in a military town. Yeah. I mean, you probably wouldn't want to mess around. Can
you? Can you have open? Carry?
In the state of Virginia? Yeah, the black man know? What
do you mean as a black man? So
in all seriousness, but in all seriousness, is there
okay, in all seriousness, in any part of America as a black man, you don't even want to breathe open? Like, really?
That's so interesting. Yeah. So that is it open carry thing.
Does that scare you? Like a you thinking about this?
No. I like white people. They like me. So they were good. Yeah.
And do you think that it has to be that that conversation of you say, Hey, I like it like, it's it's it feels sad to me that that's even a conversation that it's like there is that sort of
division? To know, you said on the show a long time ago, that there's nothing that happens in Australia? Yeah, well, I feel like that Australia is boring. Well, yeah.
And I think that we have the, it doesn't feel like the racial division doesn't feel as prevalent as it does say, in the US. But we definitely have our own bullshit, which is like the, the indigenous history and how the governments have treated them and things like that. Well,
I think I was talking about how it's such a safe place. Like it doesn't feel like matches happened in our lifetime being here. Yeah, sure. There's been some bad things happen. Yeah. But not to the extent that there has been or that we've witnessed over in the States, the states have taken a beating. I mean, is that the cost of being the greatest place on earth? You know, the,
well, I couldn't believe how big the population is. So,
I mean, that's, that's the thing, because compared to the United States, you live in a toilet. But
so therefore, you know, more money, more problems. And the fact that most countries in the developed world, how are you? I'm sorry, you gonna be all right.
I'm doing good. Let me get them out your way.
I'm sorry about that. Most most countries in the developing world
have an identity. If you go to Australia, you know, you're going to get one group of people. But if you go to America, we have we're like, so it's like purebreds versus money. In America. There's a country of much yeah, that we don't really have a identity. So we're all fighting, trying to figure out who the hell we are. And that's where the big picture was, he comes.
Interesting. I mean, we've found that when we've come to America, there's been some things that a slightly behind in terms of like paying like over in Melbourne, in Australia, we using pay pass a lot, which is our cards, we just tap them and go and when we came to America was like, people are still inserting pin numbers signing for stuff doing checks, are you is that your is that what you've how you've been paid check and that kind of stuff. So it's,
it's still a backward system, where a lot of folks are still kind of were talking about this earlier today, if you know Josh love to live on my Instagram. And we were like,
by the way, I thank you for living there, it just makes me feel so comfortable by myself.
But um, we were talking about this earlier about how there's some in the world who get treated like a piece of meat, and they love to allow that to happen.
And that's kind of the thing that we were talking about all day is, you know, we have this kind of mindset that's just so deep that we can't figure out how to get out of it. And that's just, that's part of the struggle, we face the depressing part that we say, yeah,
I mean, and what do you think? Is the US change? Do you think a lot in the last few years like a you noticing, like, what's your perception of where you live?
Um, so it's gone from a level of legal slavery to willing slavery?
Meaning, I will allow you to do this to me. Yeah.
And so you and I were talking about minimum wage over the weekend, and you're talking about a guy in Australia who worked at Mac as he's getting like, 20 bucks an hour? And it's like, in the US, like, what's the minimum wage out of the moment?
Depending on what part of the US you live in? In some parts? It's $15. And in the state of Virginia, still 725 Wow.
And how much is something like rents like with a comparatively look at the number depends on where you live?
If you if you prefer to live in a gated community, maybe 18 to 2000 amount if you preferred? Yeah, yeah. If you prefer to get shot by tomorrow, you maybe pay 300
which which area you living in?
A uh, so I live in not necessarily a gated community, but
I kind of live on a on a back farm by myself, which makes me feel good about myself.
It looks so beautiful that, like, the water that you look on to is awesome. Yeah,
I was like, I was like Josh can pretty much describe it. Because every time we chat, I kind of look at it. They're trying to contemplate all this stuff. He's trying to tell me about my life. Yeah,
and rent wise. Like, what's that? Like? I paid? I paid like, 1600 a month.
I don't. I don't pay rent. Yeah, yeah.
probably like this, the 807 or $800 a month, I feel like seems like a pretty common occurrence for sort of, like if you were in like, my, I think my brother bought a place in the States. And it's like, you know, like North Carolina is like, $120,000. You can buy vice
words. That's because that's because your brother lives in a southern country. That's probably literally the country.
Yes. What does that mean?
Meaning that your brother can buy a house in North Carolina for $120,000? Yeah. $120,000 in New York may get you a bathroom. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. wouldn't
get you anything, right. That's probably Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We were talking just before about public transport to him that, you know, in Melbourne, we have trams, you know what a tram is.
That's the training that runs down the street. I'm not a literate man. No, no, I know a little bit about life.
There's no trains in Norfolk, right.
Yes, we have a train. We got one Tuesday. It's okay.
Do you really have a trend line?
Yes, we have a train and run down and build the street. I have to give you a picture of
Kenya. Can you please send us a picture and we'll put it on Instagram? The Yeah. Is it dark yet? Because it's it's what 6pm or something?
Well, I'm nowhere near the train. So I can't do that right now. Get running.
I mean, I'm, I'm here because I'm with someone. I'm not working. This is not my job. No, I was gonna get me fired. It's okay. I didn't
want to get your fight. That's why I asked.
know, I'm I you know, I do content for a living. I'm not Yeah, this is just fun. Yeah. And the, this is how I get out and see what the world looks like, from outside of my little hole. I think it's
awesome. So public transport wise, what's the sort of spectrum of if you want to get around, you're walking die, you're smashing it with all the miles that you doing at the moment? But if it's super cold outside, or super hot, and you don't want to be walking, how do you get around?
So we have the bug. Now the keys, please. I'm sorry. I was trying to single him like, just let me get the chief saying, Get out of here. And he's trying to be all nice and dignified. I don't know why just a bunch of white people.
But I'm going outside we can we can be more comfortable. But yeah, so we walk around? I mean, so it depends. Because that kind of goes into the, the stigma of the situation.
If you give me two seconds, I'm gonna run to the car. And I can really tell you how I feel. Because Yeah, I can't tell you that in there. Because I'm in the hood, you may hear gunshots? If I give you that answer. Is it?
Easy? Isn't it? Like just because when we speak to it, like how much is that? Is it over? You doing a bit of gear or bit of entertainment? versus reality? Because when we talk to you, it is seems pretty intense. Like, you know, this this vision of you know, you can't say shit, not something? Where do you think it actually Where? Where does it actually lie for you when you're in your head? Do you think? So?
I'll become outside to answer that question. Because that would have gotten really close in the neighborhood that I'm in. Yeah,
but a lot of people that use so in your part of town, or in more civilized or more progressive parts of town. Public Transportation is kind of elevated, it looked at as a convenience, we're in this part of town. If you use public transportation, you're poor, you're be little. So most of us would rather drive a Beemer and a BMW and walk or ride a bike. And probably the thing where it kind of made me start to walk. It's like, Why do I have to fucking be poor? Or not be able to buy a car just because I walk? Yeah,
I do. I like that idea. I like actually launch it. Well, the walking is this sort of neutral thing, which is
rich, walk homeless people to fucking walk. Right. It's the it's, it's a shame that there's the fucking that we apply stigmas to certain forms? Yeah,
it's a lot. It's a lot of stigma, like, because a lot of it is the, as I said earlier about the deepness of this mentality where a lot of black people walk 12 miles to school, and do they got a card like five, you walk into a bar? And, and so a lot of that is, is what's embedded that if you're walking, you need to, you know, you need to get your Shut up. Whereas it's like, no, I can have my shut up and still walk. It's okay
with Eric. And where do you think that stigma has come from? Is it anything that you put your finger on as to why that is being created or developed? So,
so we're going to get real dark for a moment, but then again, you know, I'm a positive guy, we can take us out of this dark hole, so we'll be okay. So, when I was young, and I was talking about this earlier, I said, Oh, I'm going to be the one to change the world, blah, blah.
I challenge you to look up what it's called the Willie Lynch theory.
Willie Lynch with the biggest fucking racist of all time. Yeah.
And Willie Lynch is the guy that I swear to God, I would dig up and give them a fucking award cuz he was a fucking genius.
What do you say that
he, he created a theory that not only enslave people, physically, but enslave them mentally, so bad that psychologically we can't even get out of it? Yeah.
And so for a guy who woke up and said, I'ma change the world, I've already realized at 34 with me being whatever you want to call me, an activist, leader, whatever I am, that if you look at a lot of my content, you hear me say that I'm not talking about today, I'm talking about two people going to watch this 2030 years from now, because I already kicked it down, but down the road. Yeah. Because there's a lot of things that even I, as much as I believe that I'll be able to do, will not.
Do you think there's a book called The Willie Lynch letter in the making of a slave?
I wonder if
they might be? Well, I mean, Wikipedia, the University of Google will tell you everything. The plate is actually a free education. You should try it.
I mean, Wikipedia describes Tommy is a run of the mill podcaster. So
we don't, we don't we don't use those boxes.
Exactly. When they stop defining my co host. I'll stop reading this shit. But that's what he paid your aside. The I was gonna, I had a question. If you go and TJ
Well, I was just gonna say this. And I've just found a book. It's called breaking the curse of Willie Lynch, the science of slave psychology. So you're really talking? I mean, I I'm so curious to know more about. Yeah,
that's what I was actually going to ask. Ask you, Eric.
read that book. If I were you, because you're doing this lovely job. You're doing so beautiful. And I applaud you for not drinking. But if you do read that book, it may drag you back. So I would just put that aside for a little while. just just just just for a little while.
It's got a good writings on Amazon. A lot of people are writing. Yeah, the.
Erica, you were talking? When we spoke on on Saturday, you were talking about sort of maybe how you feel about
like Los Angeles and New York, how you sort of touched on it a little bit? What is the What's your feeling being in not one of those sort of coast? You know, those, those specific areas, those sort of big hubs, and how the US is represented. What do you think if we're getting all of our if Australians are getting all of this sort of content from some of these hubs, what is the main thing that we're missing? So,
a lot of we talked about this on Saturday. I don't know why you're telling everybody.
I didn't I didn't know we had an open relationship.
This is one of my
we really did.
Okay, I still haven't got the cut off the wall yet.
That's funny. Yeah,
lot of folks look at so most of you are most of your viewers or listeners.
So they look at
Tommy on the just realize that we're filming it. Now. He sort of looked a bit puzzled. Yeah, we feel it.
I just lost what you said.
Where am I?
A lot of folks.
A lot of folks. Oh, okay. All right. No, we're good. So good. Yes. I thought a lot of folks look at Los Angeles and look at New York, they look at Miami, they look at
those places, and they miss something. The thing that they miss is that you have you have California, New York and Florida. But there's 47 other fucking states in the goddamn union.
And a lot of both states have so many unique things that get missed.
That that could be considered hilariously fun. And I feel that if there's going to be a new project, I was determined that in my content creation, and my career, that three places I would never go as Los Angeles, I would never go to New York City, and I would never go to Florida. I wouldn't go to Miami just because I'm a Miami Dolphins fan. But fast by that. It's like that's not shit. I went to those places. Because every fucking by the knows about that.
How do you avoid though when you start talking about the difference datum, Virginia and places like that, that you want to be able to talk about the racial tensions or things like that. But how how do you how do you move forward? And how do you work with say, looking at it from a communications exercise? How do you demonstrate that Virginia is more than just rice a state full of tension?
We're about to kick that down the road, buddy.
So do you think it's a leading? Do you still think that the the issues based communication is the the thing that needs to be sort of brought forward first?
So it's kind of like
you have a How do I put it, it's kind of like, you have roaches in your house.
And a lot of people will just break the roaches they see.
But the problem is you got to figure out where they're coming from. Yeah.
That's the biggest issue of racism and depravity. And America is a where they're coming from D. The second issue is, we got roaches, we may plug the hole. But what caused it? And are we still doing the same thing that could potentially keep them coming back?
So those two issues are what leads the problem in America? Because we don't know where it's coming from. We're still trying to figure that out. At be we're still doing right this shit even though we don't realize we're doing
think you hit the nail on the head. It's there's some really deep embedded psycho psychology in, in humans and throughout America. That is probably the case from the, you know, the hundreds and hundreds tons of years of history where stuff was very, very different.
So so number one.
There was something that I, I built the 42nd President, the United States is a genius. And sometimes you listen to him, and you don't necessarily listen to him when he's talking slow. Because that's when he he's trying to, you know, get you to succeed.
But you listen to him when he's talking fat, because that's what he had tell you the truth.
And so like he rushed through what time he's like, there will never be a quality at a free society. And he just sped right on through that. Because the reality is, as long as we are on the hunt for money will always be carnivores. And doggy dog, a dog eat dog society. And that's not just America. That's it. Country, if I got $2. And so this, let me let me break this down a few seconds, and we're going to move on.
So you had played? Okay, then you had the top 1%? They were the they were the bosses. So I want you to think about this and tell me this make sense. So white people were the ones working the black people were the ones that was doing it for free.
Then they freedom. Okay. Then it was told Oh, we got to pay them. All right. Yeah. So it's $500 in the budget. The boss has a lot more money, but his cap is only $500 not giving you any more. So now he's got to pay the blackmail. So what did he do? He splits the 500,000 hands. So now white people make it $250. And he's given us to the black people. And the white man says, Well, if I check cut, he's like playing the black people. Hello, race.
So it becomes an issue of the from the top. Right. It's that is that one is the focus on? Do you think that the focus on the 1% that we're currently saying I've seen over the last few years? Do you think that that 1% conversation is as much about race than it is about economic sort of standards?
No. In my Instagram post, which I said the other week was very early. I don't know if you thought
where I said that. Slavery was never going anywhere. Yeah. Yeah. And I said the reality is, there will always be a mass in or lower be asleep. Because truth be told, if you have a job, you're late
back in the day slavery was I went to work and in return he gave me a hot bucket. And and that was it. Now the sleigh return is I give you a paycheck. Yeah.
But do you think that the the job is doesn't racially discriminate? Is that is that part of it? Is it the reality that in any workplace? There's all different types of of people that that hold jobs? Yeah,
I mean, it's a lot to that conversation, and we're definitely gonna pack in what episode? I mean, you have a 10 year plan. Let's go ahead and take 30
I'd like I wouldn't do it.
But it's a thing of it's a lot to it. Yeah. And it's a slow process. And the reality of it is it is going to take people like what we're doing here that could get past it. And look at each other from an equal playing field. Like hey, I'm Eric you're Josh you're Tommy. We're both are all three of us are smart motherfucker. And we can handle our own weight. And you know, I don't need you and you don't need me but together we can do awesome sauce thing. If that becomes the narrative that it in. Yeah, Eric Loper
does in your friends. He what you're doing talking with us? The whitelist show in Australia.
It sounds like we're some sort of fucking supremacy like skinhead supremacist
White is showing us
like way, the fucking who's the? Who's the crazy dude, that was just on Joe Rogan today?
We're not Alex, you're not the alex jones of Australia, because you haven't come on the alex jones show?
Do what do your friends think about talking to to you know what dude from Australia.
They've already realized that I'm crazy as hell. So that there is a in many cases, I act out of a level of fearlessness. Even though a lot of shit I do scares the hell out of me. But I act out of love.
me talking to white people have
done it all my life. Being in a conversation with white people. It's not unusual, because I've done all my life.
But hang on, I just want to know, do you but I know that that's your case. Otherwise, you wouldn't be on the show. But friends of yours is there. I'm trying to understand the psychology of some of your friends. Is there some? Is it different, like a human anomaly?
I mean, if you're asking, does this happen all the time? The answer is no.
So I invite you to do one thing, and and all your followers and listeners to do something.
Go on YouTube, and go through YouTubers. See how many black people you see. Yeah.
What's the answer? Well, I mean, I'll do it. But
you know, I think there's not like I didn't ladies, not a lot. I think about the follower. Like who I said.
If you look at the top YouTubers are black. Yeah. Yeah,
well, the thing I mean, that's the thing. If you look at the if you actually look at who the characters black characters are in YouTube, who is it? It's fucking Casey nice. That's delivery guy.
Marcus. Marcus. It's nothing about him.
HD Yeah, he's he's a, he's a black guy who's doing amazing stuff. But he's definitely Yeah,
but but but but so so so we have we have one? Yeah.
We have one. And, and for every 10 we have one. And that's not YouTube fault. That's not the creators fault. That that, that we have not done a great job at presenting it. So the reality is the mph? You know, yes. I can't
imitate him. Yeah,
I'm a big him.
People like him. And I, the reason why we're in this spot is because we branched out and went to
where the rest of them did. So they're still over there. Most of them. Think a YouTuber is just the guy who put videos on YouTube. No, that's just the guy who knows how to upload, that's not a YouTuber. That's not a content creator. So so so we don't know what that is yet. And it's a great, so YouTube is still a great market. As big as it is complex. It is as over saturated as it is. YouTube, Facebook, podcasting is still a great avenue because of a huge populace. Not just black people. But white folks who don't know it exists yet. Yeah.
I know, the best the best, Eric. And it's,
it's a good perspective. Like it's a good perspective. And it's something like is there if we were to action things I think the cool thing with having you on is it's like, get us excited to read books and to do things make who's who's someone?
If I could, if I could just say this word is this spot? Yeah. That
for anyone, content wise, creator wise, whether it's you guys, would this be anyone out there listening or watching? Who? Like, I don't want to do this because I can't get popular. But let me tell you. What I have discovered in the last two years is that there's a huge population that has not been tapped yet. So,
so don't make a case. If I said his 10 million viewers. That's just one side. That's not even a.on the ass of life of people do not know this stuff exists. So if you really reach that's why I said don't go to LA, no garden, New York, don't go to Florida, go to the other 47 states who don't know it exists. And with those people, that's where your marketplace. Oh, yeah.
And this is the the other thing too is there's a there's always there's a bit of a joke, I think, internationally that the US a very sort of inward focused so that they the only place in the US that American sort of see America as the center of the earth. And what something and I guess to your point, it's like, if the focus is on Los Angeles, on Florida, or on New York, there's so much work that happened needs to happen internally from that state level. Before that, they can even be the process of being like, oh, like we've got all these other areas. And we are all like in doing the same thing. And we all can be viewing each other's content and getting unique perspectives and having conversations. Yeah.
That's, that's literally all the you. So you go back, and I'm going to say this, because
it's something that's been on my head for a long time.
You can count there's many hundreds of thousands of content creators are the internet.
But you can count on one hand. How many to do something with something?
That is a big YouTuber. Yeah. But what take away all this effect. He's not shit. Think about it. Take away everything. take away all the content take away all of the big things you've been able to do. He's not shit. take somebody like Shane Dawson, you give him a chair and a bottle of water. He can fucking Have you rolling for 20 years. Yeah.
He's got. Yeah,
I guess there's plenty of people that don't have internal talent that are optimizing what is around them and optimizing.
They're using the system
to get them where they are. But somebody like Shane Dawson has it? Yeah.
And that's a skill, right? There is a skill in being able to see what's around you. But if I think that with where all this is going, where podcasting is going with video creation is going it's as it becomes more and more democratize. I think that like in Australia, for example, Australia has some of the best cinematographers in the world. And the reason why they say say that is because in Australia, we're dealing with only these different harsh environments. And when there would be a Hollywood film coming to Australia, they, you know, there's there's not a huge, huge amount compared to, you know, Los Angeles, and so they get very, very good. And that's through all of the friction. And so I think to your point, Eric, it's like the there's an opportunity in not having much there's the opportunity in stripping everything back, and having a bottle of water and a chair. And because then it becomes a process of storytelling at its essence. And then without all the bullshit.
It's actually what I love about your your videos, Eric, it's like, you know, the shot on a phone. Is that what you shooting them? Yeah, yeah. And the content, and you and what you're bringing to them is awesome. So you don't rely on other stuff.
Right. So think about, think about the that that was one of the things that I realize is that I'm not going to win in the cinematography world. Yeah, I cannot out produce Casey nice that I cannot produce Peter McCann and I could not produce Logan Paul.
But from a creative standpoint, from a personality standpoint, I can run with the best of
if you think about it, my work speaks for itself. Absolutely. Personality standpoint. I
love it. And the reality of that is I do that's how I went. Yeah. Yeah,
I've got I don't know, which sounds like
we're gonna live audience.
We're relying on the bells and whistles over here tonight. We've got the sound effects. production. But I'm thanks for coming on again. Night. Each week. Yeah,
we're gonna have it all. Yeah, we'll have a chat. If anyone's got any specific questions. For Eric, we're constantly re posting his shit on Insta stories, but higher the daily talk show.com if you want to send a specific question, because we just think it's fun to like, other than just the two gronk like you, you are a gronk by proxy. Erica. gronk Yeah, you're part of Team gronk. And so as a team
you are, you are a fellow gronk. And so yeah, it's awesome. Just getting your perspective on ship. Because as we just talked about, at the start of the show, describing where we are just the fringes of the central business district here in Melbourne, it's fucking blows my mind to think that were able to have these types of conversations. That's really cool.
I just, I just I just, I just, if I if I click for a second, I just want to say that it makes me feel so good to let me know, for me to know that I'm a part of Team gronk.
You know, the bishop is very happy to be the bishop now.
The bishop is that is that a nickname? Have we come up with the bishops on the phone?
We have the bishop on the phone.
I started to answer the phone like yet. But I realized that I'm like time, they might really think I was a bishop and they want me to start praying for people.
She doesn't have great pr at the moment here in Australia. So yeah.
Great PR anywhere.
Right now. It's pretty, pretty backwards. Yeah. It's pretty
bad. Eric, my buddy, have a good night. We'll chat to you soon.
Yes, sir. It's always nice to talk to you my Friday. It's not. It's not what it needs to be unless we have our conversation. I look forward to continuing that. Yeah,
we need to work out because Thursday here, but we need to at some point. You were talking about a fat Fridays. bit, so I think we need to bring them in. Yeah, we need to come up with some sort of food.
Food. Yeah, you can be eating dinner while we're eating lunch. That's awesome.
Thanks, Eric. What? We're freaking out.
Awesome. Hey, Mike. I love always loved chatting to him. Yeah.
Like I just put my sort of self in that space of being over in Norfolk. like looking at some photos, you start sort of building out some sort of idea of where he is. I mean, Eric, he's saying, you know, he's in the hood. He's at the supermarket.
I just, this is the thing is that doing these types of chats? I just could fucking talk, like, ask questions forever. Like, it's fun. Just getting a perspective. Yeah. And just realizing that we don't know all the details in the specifics, and just trying to pinpoint what it all means.
It's got an perspective, it is different to ours. So the way we're pulling on, I think, if if you are somewhere around the world, and you want to have a chat to it, yeah. I mean, we've now got this ability to be able to FaceTime you through our systems. If there's anyone else out there, Eric, where you places are being taken made?
You are well, we're slowly building correspondence if we could, and we've we've tapped into Virginia earlier. Yeah,
really? tap into Russia. We've got a contact in Russia. Someone listens from Afghanistan. Yeah.
So if we could, it would be great to eventually, you know, have people all around the world that we can pull from between it's, we understand that there's like this one perspective, which is heaps of fun. Yeah, but I also I also liked if I can, I like that we can start off by joking. And then go fucking Syria
and all that sort of shit. And then in order down
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