#281 – Old Mate Naysan/
- February 12, 2019
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show we are joined by Josh’s mate Naysan. Naysan and Josh travelled around the world working on a project for Envato. Naysan is a follower of the Baha’i Faith and he’s worked in various avenues of media for two decades.
Our Old Mate segment
Travelling the world with Naysan
Living with sleep apnea
The Envato trip
Working at CNN
The Baha’i faith
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Naysan’s website about the Baha’i Faith: https://bahaiblog.net
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yeah my like, nice honor rocky appreciate it. Hello everyone.
So we sit we say old made based on you are a friend of mine. And you've been a friend for a number of years back we go back
you'd say what I like is you've traveled together quite extensively, which I think explores the friendship parameters like now other
ways that remain in certain countries.
I just want to check you guys I haven't met I've met Chris I've met your brothers who the facts chris chris Nichols. I've been I don't know if I've met a few of Josh's friends but I mean like, pretty fortunate.
more just like people that know Josh on a personal level,
because I've got like bunch of schoolmates that are
grew up with it, working this building where we are. This morning, we bumped into a guy named john Safran. Yeah, yeah, he's a big fans, Australian, fizzy water media personality and writer, documentarian if you don't know him, look him up. But he said in mid conversation Josh was you know, will conversing with john and john was sort of telling a story. And then Josh took it off, down a rabbit hole that was basically taking something that john said that had nothing to do with where he was
talking about what was the code a stonemason stonemasons and stonemasons. I started asking questions about stonemasons and he said in that moment,
you've clicked on a hyperlink which I find is something Josh does. Have you noticed this where it's like, you are talking about something video take it off on a real tangent. Is this something you've experienced the hyperlink?
Yeah. And the other person just remained silent listening for half an hour. And then it's like, Are you finished cut out of them, but
it's also why we love it.
Let's say you've experienced hyperlink hyperlink. Yeah, so nice. I'm and I love it.
We traveled extensively. We went
to something like 27 locations around the world in was it every single continent?
Not we didn't go to Antarctica, okay,
we you stay in the same room.
Did he ever make you
go to sleep listening to an E book that he audio every night,
really every night? Every night Josh
did it when we stayed in room once.
It was discovered a lot during that trip by I feel like I'm responsible for Josh learning that you don't wear anything other than cotton socks. Because I was pain. It's like wearing plastic bags on your feet if you were banned if you don't wear down.
Yeah, what were you wearing for
a while before we will going away for three months. So I thought I'm going to stock up on socks. I found these cheap socks. And turns out all of them were like synthetic. Oh, yeah. And so is
the windows don't open in hotel room. Yeah, it was painful. Let me tell you I years like we'd come in the morning sometimes. And we'd see Oh, the room hasn't been made? Well, yeah. Because the poor woman or man trying to come in was like, Oh, my God, like I can't. Row right now.
Nice on has sleep apnea. I do.
Yeah. I have it walking up the steps. You can hear me heavy breathing all the time. What
do you sleep apnea? I don't know. Can you describe it?
Basically, you your window passages get blocked in the middle of the night while you're sleeping? And you can't tell but you're basically suffocating as if you're drowning. I think when I went to the doctors into the sleep test, they said it's like the guy was like, Can you hold your breath for 70 seconds? I was like, No. He's like, well, that's what you've been doing. Really? It's like ridiculous, because I
literally just thought there was a weird segue that Josh had made. Saying that you had sleep apnea, but now I get it. You are in the same room to get so you read.
But he never checked if I was alive or not. Remember him ever budging me. Are you okay, nice. No. He's listening to an audio. Yeah, that's right
now, but you know, because you're very noisy when you sleep.
Yeah. It's like it's not just snoring. There's like a symphony orchestra going on all day. It's like a sometimes I play the flute, sometimes a saxophone sometimes it's a entire you know, but he's
a because you give
as long as I play the conductor.
No, it is it getting does it get worth based on your wife?
There are that does relate in some instances, but I was happy to find out when I went to the specialist cuz I was like, Yeah, I know. Like, after he told me that news. I was like, Yeah, I know. I really gotta lose weight. And he's like, No, no, no, no, what you've got is not weight related.
It's always classic. Nice. It's never white related for
trouble going up the stairs. I might maybe it's a way it's like
it's actually it's not the way
Are you scared going to sleep?
No. I just don't sleep very much because you suffocate so I send up spending like I get frustrated because I'm like drowning all the time. So I'm just like, so I'll just get up and do some work. You had a whole
page I have a I have a sleep apnea mask, which I can keep on my face because it's a big mass pushing oxygen into your nose and then if you'd like turn a little bit and I moved quite a lot. I moved to the side it's like Jay and my eyeball and stuff. And then I got the this mouth guard made by our dear friend Nima.
Yeah, what's the name is what's her name is Christian house dentist
yes interesting. for DOS he he lives here in Melbourne awesome guy and he's got this mouth guard made for me that's what's that bring my jaw forward to help with the breathing and I were but the thing is I don't I'm assuming I'm alone. So I don't know if it's working or not I've never had anyone I'm not traveling with Josh so I want to know if I'm breathing funny or not So Josh we have to do another trip
you should get the one of the apps where you can record yourself that's true because I think you don't have you had a mate didn't you? That was did he recording? He discovered that he was walking around at night and how did he find that out? Oh yeah, my best night he he gets up to all these things you're not well he's he's a sleepy I said someone the other day Yeah, but um, he accidentally like walked outside and he caught it on one of his like night nest cameras sort of freaky Yeah, what was he doing? He didn't walk he walked out and he walks back inside
to keep that recording Have you seen paranormal activity
but we'll see you can get this app that basically activates the recording as soon as it hears anything. I caught some weird shit me saying oh shit go to be aggressive in Santa Rosa fucking yeah
I wanted the noodles rice. Yeah, a lot of nice and my discussions have been around food like when we travel this food is a big thing this in person we say Chicago which means you're of the stomach you love
she can't move translated this shit talking
well sorry I can't talk because we're eating
yeah but seriously nice on is obsessed with
serial serial killer kids cereal that you can get in the US that should be banned. I like it there's more nutritional value in the cardboard box and there isn't the actual content but I've done myself It's been a year I've had you know I like to say I've gone cold turkey and I I found I knew is bad when I was visiting the US and I went ran into get something that had like panda doll or something. And I found myself in the cereal aisle like getting five boxes. And I was like, I come here for good. And I was like,
what was your favorite? Because it was lucky charms was good.
That's there's a lot of them. But Lucky Charms is one of the popular ones. If you're really into cereal, you don't have a favorite. I like oh yeah, true. 20 boxes at a time junkies just
what's your accent? It's sounds American
American, Persian American. I was born in Chicago. But I was raised in Papa New Guinea in the Pacific Island. Wow. My parents were there when I was a child and I was there till I was 18.
You get that international school? I went to the International School.
Yeah, I was the only American American American No, no, no, no. I was the only one with an American accent. It wasn't because a lot of international schools in different parts of the world are run by Americans. Okay, American curriculum, but ours wasn't ours was very international. So interesting. Everybody had a different accent. Like if you're a Sri Lankan, you had a Sri Lankan accent if you're a gun and you had a goddamn accent. Yeah,
yeah. You You were telling me that you reckon Australians have more ingrown toenail?
Yeah, I've never seen so many ingrown toenail. I've never seen a bird again. Mostly. Why have you seen them? My dad was a doctor and I've done a lot of medical work again in Papa New Guinea The only ingrown toenails I would see. Or from Ozzy ex back kids.
So what do you recommend? Why? We're just a bunch of gronk that kind of cut out I
don't know you It's weird because Australians don't always wear shoes like yeah, I'm trying to flip flop so at first I thought maybe it's the plastic bag socks syndrome.
Yeah, maybe? I don't know. I don't
that is we think we were told
we had turnout chat yesterday. Pears pies.
And my brother has these tiny little big toenails because he had both sides
cast Yeah, yes i'm familiar
Yeah, well mine
doesn't have them all the way down but then when I what I got told was they then stick this like liquid in and it stopped the nail
from growing they didn't do that bit on mine That's why every fucking three months I have to pull out discussing witness
that operation many times it's actually
I just I just want to TV show of you guys traveling non stop
bad rap food toenails.
We had fun to actually be we hadn't met met before we went like it's like we're buddies. And we traveled we were kind of I had this idea and I was talking to call us about a while ago like years ago call this is the co founder and CEO of the company we work for and then at the time and then I was in the US for a while I had been traveling for a while and then I come back the day I come back I go into the office and causes like, come into the office let's talk and is like have you met Josh yet? I was like though and he's like we have this new staff member named Josh I think you guys would really get along. He came to me with this idea. Remember how you wanted to travel and do this thing but you know it's like yeah, he's like you need to talk to Josh so then we immediately met up talked how many weeks later
were placed on a few around the world and how
far into the trip? Did you want to finish the trip? I think
it was a first 45 minutes
No, actually we really we really clicked and in some ways it was cool that we didn't get to know each other because we didn't know each other before because we're getting to know each other like every story was a new it wasn't that I've heard the story again except for my divorce story. Yeah Josh want to strangle me by the
well so nice on had had. The reason that he was in the states before he came back and found out about the trip was like a divorce to her. So because he was that because he was quite depressed. I was depressed. So he has to make it so
he he jumped in the lights for a
night he he traveled How long do you travel six months before before I say was like a year? Yeah. So you had a divorce. And so then you were just like going from my teammates by
it was weird. I was really sad about the divorce. And then I I realized that I needed to be around like people that knew me before I was married. Because everybody that I started meeting friends that I hadn't seen since I'd been married and divorced. And they're like, you're not the same. Like nice. You're, you're like you said because I was like the Joker and everything and they're like, God, you're just so down now. And are you okay? And so I was like, No, I got the bars. A storm. I was a taxi driver. I didn't talk about
my talk about the divorce. It's quite a big thing. Yeah, it is a it was a good story that it is good.
It was good for the first like week and then after that. I remember walking down the street in Macedonia somewhere with Josh and he was like, nice, like, you gotta stop talking about the divorce. It's killing me. Like let's talk about something else. She said
she was going to go overseas and let's
just go on I
she went overseas to study and never came back. Yeah, much.
Yeah. It's a pretty crazy story.
Tell me about traveling. Did you form quite a close bond? It's like this thing about this. You You open? Especially the meeting people I definitely have been there. I've the people I've traveled with I've become close with.
Yeah, absolutely. And we were lucky. We hit it off straightaway. And we had a lot of things that complemented each other like strengths. And I think I have to say, in the spirit of positive, you know, giving positive.
Yeah, yesterday. Sure. I mean, I think like I was impressed Josh was extremely young when we traveled. He hadn't traveled that much, but he really wanted to travel. And I didn't realize because john is really fun and outgoing. So john, sorry, john. Keep calling you john. Sir Josh
never met Josh
Oxygen. Oxygen. I sound
is a paid actor.
I'm not the real. Yes, I know
that a lot lately. It's a lack of sleep. Sorry, john.
Yeah, it was basically like, I didn't realize because Josh is super, like fun and outgoing, and we're goofing around from the beginning. But then like, I realize you get anxious, like, we're going to meet someone that we're supposed to. So we're just the series of little videos that were about different people that worked for in Votto or, or selling their like website templates on and Votto. And there's a series of these and we're literally traveling, like, back to back. We're like in a country for four days. Next country or next city, bang, bang, bang, we're just filming, filming, filming, and is quite intense sleeping whenever we got a chance. And, you know, you have to hit the ground with enthusiasm because we're representing the company and also we're excited to meet them and that you know, they're excited to meet someone from involved. Oh, and
I had 13 Votto t shirts.
Yeah, we that was our uniform because we didn't have time to do washing. So every day, we're just like, new shirt, new shirt, new shirt. Right? It was good. And so basically, I remember thinking like, yeah Josh is so social and everything. This is great. But once we had we had just met someone and then we go back to the hotel and George's like sitting on the edge of the bed, rocking a little bit like in deep thought. And I'm like, sounds like, mate. I can't see the Ozzie
renderers like, how do
you like so if we meet them in the morning? Are we going to do a handshake or a hug? You went in for both? You confused me and he starts getting, you know, handshake or hug. I don't know which one he starts panicking a little bit. I'm like, Oh, so we did this little impromptu. Like, okay, let's practice. So if I come, and I'm just like, go with the flow. I don't know. Like, like a planning handshake. You know, like, I'm just like, what do we do? Body language? I think we had
bring it in bringing it. There's, I've always said this like a bunch of podcast. Do you? duo's and I've and I reckon that for any good podcast you Oh, one of them has to be that guy. internalizes the handshake. Oh, yeah.
And yeah, john Safran you went for the
Yeah, I'm boy what's up boy?
Did you do the whole like well
john, yeah, what's he like?
He went in like that and so I just went under got it got until a point but I
just don't I was even thinking about in Pakistan how we
met older ladies and stuff I feel like I hugged us I feel like whatever I did was not culturally appropriate remember? Maybe one time she was holding my head I don't know if that was to keep me back
that way is that
it was a sign of endearment just grab your head Josh was a celebrity where we're in pockets
Yeah, we got on the airline I'd look Pakistani like when I'm in a in a meeting or something and somebody is Pakistani they always talk to me in words doing stuff I'm like I'm not Pakistani you know you're not like no we get on the plane bacon or just no no no I speak Persian which or do is comes from Persian But anyway, I thought we get on this couldn't be fact speaking.
I'm sorry, I
So we get on we get on this flight. I remember air pockets on from Malaysia. And like,
don't use fucking flight like
halfway through. That's another story. But anyway, we're getting you know, and the guy at the front is kind of like
well, it was in their language of it. I can I know he's
saying it. Yeah, he was saying Yeah, in order to but he wasn't really like enthusiastic. And then I was in front of Josh side companies like rather calm and thanks he's Josh Welcome sir.
Check him to see and stuff like that. The only white guy in the whole VC only white guy in the foot
said what is it what's the novelty? I'm fucking why he's white and tall. We had people
were filming in the streets and stuff. And we had women bringing their children to take photos with Josh we have evidence what he's put it on the if you guys have like information below the podcast Yeah, yeah. Nice. It was awesome. That's cool Josh
I think it's come from your friendship nice. And the
long store and you meet somebody and it's tear off with the clouds. Can you tell us about this?
Awesome. Okay, this is actually a lot of cultures do this. This is not just a we noticed our
Turkish friend doing it the other day, we got we got afraid water from a water bottle.
And he walked off.
Now started off and a lot of cultures have this again, like all over the world, where it's kind of like it's a sense of like, courtesy and being polite. But let's say you come to my home, and I'm with the Persian were Persian family. We would bring you tea and say please have some tea. And you're like, No, No, I'm fine. No, no, we insist Have some tea. No, no, really? I'm fine. No, you must have some tea. We insist. No, no, really, I'm fine. Whether you really want it or not is irrelevant. That interaction of you know saying please have some tea and also not taking it straight away is called Tada, fat guy. Right? So it's a great hard to get. Yeah, but it's and so like, it's it can backfire to in certain cultures. And, you know, like in in Australia, I think like if you want it, you'll say yes. And if you done my grandparents on my mom's side moved, when they left to the US, they landed and their neighbors came by our like, welcome and stuff come over for dinner tonight. So my grandparents got you know, dressed and my mom, my grandma on her best jewelry, my grandfather three piece suit, they go next door and the family's already eating in their shorts and T shirts. Like Come and join us, you know? And they're like, No, no, really, we're not hungry. They were starving, right? They had not eaten all day. They're starving. They're like, Okay, well just like, sit down. And you know, until we finish and they were just sitting there very politely, stomach growling and stuff. This family eating trying to talk to them. They didn't really speak English. And when they left, they're like, How rude you know, in a sense. I mean, now of course, like, get it they get lizard jacket story. Leather Jacket. Yes. A friend of mine offered someone a leather jacket. Like, he was like, Oh, I love your jackets. Like it's yours. It's yours take it really
Where's this camera? Because? Did they not establish the flaws within this? You know,
now because this works if everyone taught us, I guess when people don't talk. So in a culture where everyone does that, yeah, it's just the etiquette. You know, like, if you're dying of thirst, and you come over, and it's like, Oh, it's hot outside. Please have some water. No, no, really? I'm fine. No, it's just have some water. It's hot. No, no, really, it's fine. Have some water. Okay, thank you, because it's from your hands. You know, like the language. Persian language is also extremely flowery and just like, full of, you know, encouragement and some of the words when you translate them directly, or the sayings are very quite graphic, you know, like, May my life be a sacrifice, you know, thank you so much may buy life via soccer
just wanted to fucking die,
I can imagine that would be healthy Josh like you're, if you're anxious about a handshake or a hug, like and then who says, who's going to stop? Who's gonna stop this tear off? Who wins it?
Well, this is why like, may I just pay for everything when it comes to going out? Because but when we're nice, and it's a constant will both have our cards out and we're fighting for the for the bill. That's a typical person who pays the bill. So who actually wants to pay the bill?
That's your whole thing is like it part of the tower of thing is you got to be happy with
Yeah, you gotta be sincere. And you know, the idea is also that things always come back full circles, like so you pay for the dinner this time, and next time they'll pay for the dinner. Yeah, things always
come out one night, though, that, you know,
I left my wallet. Yeah, right.
Is this a religious thing? Or no, no, purely cultural culture? What's
the difference between Persian culture and Iranian culture?
So Iran, so pressure was an empire. Nowadays, when they say Persia means the nation of Iran, it's pretty much the same thing. Iran is made up of a lot of different cultures. I mean, there's a lot of Turkish influence as well, a lot of Persians maybe don't like to hear that or do like, I don't know. But there's a huge I think it's something like 45% of Iranians are of Turkish descent as well as Afghan ease as well. But Persian culture is more kind of like the culture of Iran. And that's the term they use for the language. Although now, in Persian, for example, we say Farsi as the idea for the language. But now in places like Los Angeles and other places where there's a large Persian population, you'll see sign saying Farsi, technically, it's incorrect. It's like riding a spaniel, when it should be like, when you speak English, you don't see say, Do you speak espanol? You say, Do you speak Spanish? It's kind of the same thing. You don't say Farsi
is the Spanish is the Persian way of saying Persian, the Exactly.
so and so. In that area of the world, there's most of the countries are Arab descent, like are ethnically their Arab. So like, you might be from Iraq, but you're an Arab, you're viewing our Iran on a person. So it's, and it's a sore spot for a lot of persons. There's this desire to kind of differentiate it is quite different. It's, there's obviously similarities in religion and other things. That because of trade and religious,
like certain religions spreading, there's certain similarities, but then there's also starting stark differences and Persians really, you know, make sure they differentiate themselves. And not necessarily only like, it's not a prejudice thing, but it's like, it's something different. It's like, it's not like saying, you know, oh, you're Japanese. You guys speak Chinese? It's like, no, it's a different language. Yeah,
yeah. I asked me for that. I know very well, that he's not he who you raise your voice sometimes.
It's like when it's cold, my Italian might know, my grade Sicilian might break. Oh, no. telling you my great.
yeah. Great guy.
From language, you know, all cultures have overlap them. Yeah. And so why do you call yourself Persian and not Iranian? Because I've never been to Iran, and Iran is the nation and I have an Iranian passport. But Persian is my ethnicity.
Is that is there other examples of that in the world? Or is it a unique? Like, what's the equivalent in the world?
Um, you could say, I mean, this is a bit What about
a Canadian saying, I'm not
American now? Because can Yeah, you could do that. But Canadians, like not an ethnic group. It's a nation like, I mean, there's, you know,
because I have no idea that it's
complex. But you could say, for example, like, as an Iraqi is Arab. So if someone's parents or grandparents were from Iraq, they might not really feel associated with the nation, but they're Arab, ethnically. So
So do you find that if someone says all you're Iranian, do you find that sort of pushback on
it? Not really, like, I mean, I, it depends on why they're saying I just say, Actually, I'm American, because that's my citizenship. But I'm, I'm ethnically Persian.
And he's part of the pushback because of, you know, the Islamic Revolution and all that sort of thing.
And yeah, there's definitely been historically, I mean, you know, 1979, there was an Islamic Revolution in Iran, so that, because of the Islamic Revolution, there was a lot of people killed. But I'm a religious minority in Iran called the Bahais or by faith, and a lot of Bahais are rounded up and killed and persecuted and continue to be persecuted. So that obviously is a sore spot. For many people. It's not just the Bahais that were persecuted, a lot of minorities were persecuted, even like people have different political beliefs like communists, as well. And so a lot of people, minorities were persecuted. But a lot of people like to make the differentiation nowadays because they might not want to be associated with the Islamic Republic of Iran. So they say they're Persian.
fact, we've had a good here,
Australia, like I was thinking yesterday, is driving down the street. I grew up in just thinking this for my for my entire life. And I'll probably be for most of my son's life. Here in Australia. There's been nothing. Yeah, that we've encountered. I mean,
there's prejudice, but it's not like
not getting Yeah, well.
Yeah. I mean, my grandfather was born in 1909. And so he was, he was, he was still alive when Einstein was in existence. Yeah. But so like, there was some real pivotal times in history that we have not been there for. Yeah. And so it's pretty, it's pretty relaxed. I have a sense like, in Australia, like, Fuck, something bad's gonna happen. Like, are we going to see that? A downtime? It feels like it?
Yeah, I constantly am like,
I have a lot of faith in Australia. I think it's one of the most amazing countries in the world. I mean,
what could what's the most likely thing to? I don't even know?
The sad reality though, is it's all perspective. Right? So like, we're saying, Yeah, it's great. Nothing's gonna happen. But then if you talk to an Aboriginal, they're like, What are you talking about? The catastrophe has already happened and continues to go on. So it depends on you know, where you're at in society. Yeah, as well. So yeah, it's right. I mean, in Iran, it was, you know, situation where Bahais during the time of the Shah, there was some prejudice, and if somebody was maybe fundamentalist, sorry, the shopping the Shah was the king of Iran, he was the ruler of the nation before the revolution. Yeah, the Islamic revolution happened, and then they kicked the child. But in that time, like, you know, didn't matter really what religion you were everybody just went to, we're kind of like in Australia, nobody asks what religion you are, you know, certain, of course, it doesn't mean people are without prejudice. But, you know, you imagine like, you're going to work every with your buddies and stuff. And you're your neighbors, you wave to them every day, you come home from work. And then the next day suddenly, or in the middle of the night, you know, guys kicked down your door with machine guns, and then drag you away. And this the last time you see your kids and your wife, and they don't know, whatever happens here, you've never you've gone missing, and basically many of them were killed. And it was the neighbors that were like, you know, it's that their behinds, you know, so I mean, and you know, we've seen this in Rwanda, we've seen this in Nazi Germany, this kind of thing happens in a lot of places. It's sad that keeps it still happens today. And hopefully, people can just get over it a little bit. Realize that we're all the same.
You much of a news junkie nowadays, not as much.
Yeah, I used to work for CNN for a bit. And I was like news. I was addicted to fact, there's a there's a different cnn then as well. But it was very, you know, as addictive because you didn't want to miss, you get off your shift, and you had to go to your next shift. And you don't want to miss a beat. What do you do that so I did different things. By the time I left those a producer for international was a fake news, actually, around them when they were using. Trump wasn't empowering. It was it was also like I kind of left when cnn got taken over by Time Warner. And so the nature of the work was very different. Also, different departments, like CNN International, which is what you watch in Australia, is different to what they watch in the US and the US at CNN domestic. So it depends on who you're talking to. And their news also depends on just who wants to decide what is important. That's one. And then the other thing is whether you can actually get somebody to share it information on the ground like Sierra Leone, for example, went through vicious civil war for a long time. But we couldn't get any journalists in there. And the ones who were there were killed. And then how can you report stuff when there's nobody in there to report stuff? So it's a it's a combination of things. Now, my conspiracy Jimmy says that anderson cooper is actually part of the CIA. Have you? Have you heard about this? Anderson Cooper? Who's that? He's like, he's a CNN reporter. white hair very popular.
Yeah, I can imagine. I mean,
to say, Oh, well, it's known that one of the best, you know, like, it's common practice for intelligence agencies to use international aid workers and journalism as a cover. But I'm not saying I'm just saying
nice sounds always wanted to be a federal agent I thought of, you know,
almost showing the FBI. Oh, yeah.
You got to talk about
what do you mean, you Neely joined? I was.
I did the training. Yeah, I got through. I never got it.
No, no, I didn't. But now it's interesting because they really needed people and friend of mine that I worked with at CNN had a friend at the FBI that was saying they were desperate for people and you should apply and have an interview. With the East Timor. You spent how long in a stable, I lived in East Timor for a year. That was interesting time. I yeah. Just charging.
See more? About
we for time, guys? I know.
Jesus. I'm worried like, now we are you want to try that? Oh, no, I was at a stable thing. Explain what you're doing there.
At the time, I was married, and my wife had studied international development work. And she's studied in London. We're living in the UK and Brighton. And we wanted to she wants to get like on the ground experience. And not be in an office job in somewhere like New York or London. So we decided to go to East Timor. I've been following East Timor quite a bit. When I worked at CNN. Even though I wasn't covering it was very interested in it, because it reminded me of Papa New Guinea alone is fascinating what was happening there. So as soon as my wife graduated from her degree, we jumped on the plane and moved to East Timor. We didn't have jobs. We're fortunate enough to we had a friend who was living at the high center there, there was a high center. And so we went in and crash with him. And we got jobs within the first month that we were there. I created my own program to teach video production to local Timorese. And we tried to do positive content in the spirit of positivity, because there was a lot of negativity going on. We tried to create short little videos of Timorese young team Marines that were doing positive things for their community and not related to their jobs, just spending all their extra time helping their communities.
How do you get my head grant? Oh, how do you even approach that?
I mean, it's a lot of like, you know, meeting different people, but a lot of the ages sees they're really wanted to do positive work. And so it was a matter of basically, I kind of looked at the area for a while, I didn't want to just do something, or just see what the needs were. And I realized media was really lacking. And the lack of media and news and journalism can actually cause revolutions and massacres. It's, it can be quite dangerous. Like, if everything is Chinese whispers or just hearsay, you could have a lot more violence and I felt, let's try and get something like this done. So I was passionate about it. And I started talking to heads of different not for profits there and saying, this is a program I want to do I want to train young Timorese, and creating like videos, but I want the training not to be theoretical. I want us by the end of the program to have made the short videos. Cool. So yeah, one that time plan International.
decided, yeah, this is great idea. And they took it on.
What kind of cameras are you using?
That at that time we use the Sony what was it the Z ones? Yeah. Edwin handycam?
Yeah, yeah. That was
HDB. Yeah, there's the sort of main What are many TV sets? Yeah. What year? That was? Oh, eight.
Yeah. Don't even leave the living in a few places. Me.
Yeah, I've lived in. I calculated because I've applying for Australian citizenship eventually. I've lived in 10 different countries. And how many countries? Have you gone to?
Every Canada 50 to 60? Yeah, I mean,
what panties? Stop counting? Yeah.
Yeah, we had a little competition with my sister. When I was just finished university. My older sister came home one day, we're like having breakfast. And she was like, how many countries have you been to? And I was like, I don't know, we both started counting. And she's like, and then she comes home from work with a map to maps. And she's like, right, she puts a map on her wall and then one on my wall and she gives me a little box of pins. And she's like, put a pin in every single city and country you've been to and the rule is you can just been through the airport like you have just spent a few hours left the airport gone and had a meal talk to ya. seen the streets or whatever. So yeah, so that was a long time ago, but I think right now it's probably 50 to 60
having a meal. Whenever we're traveling and eating nice I like your bit of like a bit of a drama queen. Anything because I just when it comes to food, just like even before you were concerned because you're like I need to eat something Yeah, I get really like I just my blood was dropping I was like oh my god i need to do wait. I had one of those little from the grocery store one of those little pizza
little cheese and bacon you share by at one of those walking cross the road the
other day, remember? Yes, that's right. No.
But yeah, no, no son has gone up to a McDonald's employing complained about he's dry Quarter Pounder to remember that in Barcelona. I went three
times. Yeah. But it was bad. I mean, it was. Yeah, I was saying angry at the time. Yeah, hungry and angry. But it was ridiculous. There's like eating this. It wasn't he wouldn't drive. It was like eating What? It was like this is
normally a nice humble end up at every fucking kitchen. If we go to a restaurant before you know it. He's seen with the chef's
toy. Why is this something you
cooking? Do you really want to
keep it on the flame that long?
Do you agree with what Josh
do you think? Like why do you think that is? You mean I'm friends with them? Yeah, well, you just Yeah, I love
Yeah. And I think sometimes we go to restaurants and we just like, eat and walk out. And I'd like to thank them and let them know because you always see the staff that you work with, but you don't always see the guys in the kitchen, putting stuff together. So I generally try and say Thank you Goodbye. What's that?
It's just a funny, funny concept.
And then also
when we go to this Afghani restaurant here sometimes Persian flavor Yeah, and you know the guys lovely going from the beginning when him and his wife were there. I'm working really hard and expanded and I just always wanted to thank them and say hi and
cool down just being a nice guy Josh
straight. personable and stepping inside the tent is pretty next level. Do you agree? It's pretty much that it stands out?
Well I'm not doing it to try and send out a
beard of encouragement it's
not something that you'd find the guy who's awkward about the handshakes doing he's not in the guy he's
out the door. He's in the car but I'm interested when
I when my son comes out ago so what was this story? What was the idea? Yeah,
I give him the whole lowdown you
know I find that I really enjoy I just don't want to have to necessarily have the interaction but we have here it says a plan to meal
on this. We got these cans in front of us you guys went down so
called was it you know we didn't go I got this from a Persian grocery store Sydney so you brought during our travels one of the things we tried Josh tried as well was Persian food with it's starting to get more and more popular here. You start to find restaurants. And one of Joshua's favorite things on the menu is called cash get bought in June, which is this type of eggplant dish it's not the same as baba baba goodness is common in a lot of Arab countries and in Israel what is the difference this is got it uses this kind of cheese curd to flavor and as fried onion and as well yeah. And different places make it in different ways. We've had some places which were and that's how he and restaurant owned by Persians he was called Giuseppe. And their catalog and Persian food was phenomenal is outside of La
there's a Persian kebab cold qubit which is by means and they put onion all in a nice sounds got IBS? You shouldn't be eating any use it to me before we started, I can't eat this
way. I thought you said I can't
No, I didn't. I've never eaten it before. So I've never eaten it from a can okay. I was in Persian grocery store in Sydney with my younger sister. And I saw this I was like oh my god Josh Yeah, cuz he loves it. So I was like, I gotta get get see you
come from Sydney. You've had to like this around. I've loved this arrived semi dumb things. What about? What about the Papa New Guinea and arrows, the arrows don't bring don't bring up
the arrows. There we go. I carried these arrows from villages that I got like arrows like actual Arizona, Gideon arrows are the length of this table. And, and you know, they're bamboo. And they're intricate, like the head of the arrows this long and they're carved Yeah, and painted. And the paint isn't like to begin and paint. It's like through flowers and stuff. Beautiful arrows. I carried these around the world for like 10 years every time I move, and I wouldn't display them on my wall like I would fan them. And I remember, like losing them somehow not knowing where they were. Until one day I was visiting my grandma, Oklahoma. She lives in Oklahoma. And she's like Nissan, you left this tube thing here. Once again, I was like what? My arrows. And they're in this tube that I had made. I couldn't find a proper Piper tube. So I'd like put all this cardboard together made this awesome hardcore tube. I take this I'm still traveling, go around the world with this thing. Come back to Australia a domestic flight I land in Sydney, my flight from Sydney to Melbourne. I took a guy here. I never fly them anymore. They really disappointed me Tiger air if you're listening seriously.
and telling them guys like I want to take this on the plane with me. They didn't know what I was like, it's artifacts. They're like, No, no, it's gonna be fine. Like put it in fragile will take care of it. They don't like throw it in, you leave and watch. So I go to the plane, they take it from me handed down to the guy like see we're doing a good job. They put it in this like hangar we land in Melbourne. I'm standing at the conveyor belt. And this flat pancake tube comes out with tire marks all over around the conveyor belt and I'm like, Oh my God. And I wrote to them and they're like, no, like, read the disclaimer. And by the way, why were you taking arrows on a flight, you know, real real.
So the arrows broke. The arrows
are all kind of because it's bamboo. They're flattened. So it's tons of fibers. So it's really hard to fix. I still have them so
we have this
Yeah. So do you recognize shy kid? No. The thing that I need to play it though
Yeah, I think
and he says where is he gonna get applied from he knows where the The interesting thing about this is it actually says that it's it was manufactured in Iran. Yeah. Which I believe that there are trade restrictions embargo with Australia. I think so. I don't know.
I'm ready. No ingredients. eggplant. Garlic means soil salt. Teamwork.
Oh, no onion.
Let's see. Let's see English amazing. And then there's no sugar. That's wrong. I'm pumped about
I'm trying. I'm being Thanks, man.
I'm being naughty eating this bread today but flatbread
so we'll have to type
Yeah, so why did you
get two times nice just because I saw this and she had just made it and as hot and fresh. I was like that looks amazing. Yeah, this is what's called pocket lyst pita which means like this pita you tear apart and you can open it is what they put falafel or Sharma Yeah, and this one is part of this. You tear it. But there's no thanks, Mr. nine, seven.
Okay, so we'll open this up.
We'll just do one why I brought just in case it's really I'm not sure if it's good or not could be
do it nice. We don't want to need a broadcaster
one job paying off that's come all the way from Iran. So I guess can
you get a not a fork
or something? Sure we do this.
So what's happened is we've got one of those like cat food clip tuna things the
amount of times I've had this happen to me.
It's I'm design ridiculous. And it's probably too given it. Don't even try. I try and smell it at least
in that George loves to smell things. I can smell it.
Smells good. Should we warm it up a little bit or not? I think
that's not a bad idea. But don't do it in the can.
Yeah, it was that.
Wow, that's what I don't even know. Oh, that's your illusion. I'm like, should we get under the table
canned food? For some reason. So scares me a little bit.
Dude. I was looking at some candy. And there's a lot of oil. Yeah, isn't all spam can.
I thought well, this looks good.
What's at the bottom of that's the
eggplant that's been mashed up, obviously. Okay. Let's try this Peter or
I will go pocket list. I guess one of his responses to this one. Okay. What you might technique Nice.
sorry. That's okay. All right. Little bread. So here we are. Thank you. So yeah, it's okay. You can watch it. No, it's okay. Watch. I'm fine.
Now you must know. I really insist. Okay, that was it was perfect. Very really well done. really well. I
think it was a bit panto.
Mr. Night seven. You can come and try
to be hilarious.
Have a little dip in there. It reminds me if I'm good morning, Australia where they had. What's his name? Remember, there was the guy who was
Put some do this do
So I mean, this isn't this is a Tuesday not fat Fridays, but it's okay. We're of a taste.
It's not what I thought but it's all right. heated up would be better
and of 10. Six
in comparison to the other ones. You've had nods like
to I don't think like three, maybe?
directly. So does your mom make this nice?
Yes. He's like a wonder what the equivalent Australian do she's just a white boy that's growing up in Australia.
What do you think that is? I make pie make pie. Like,
toasted sandwiches? toasty. How would this be a
I'm just trying to think about something from me think about. Nothing's cultural for Australians. What about
the you know, the things with our people
don't eat this as a meal.
This is like usually just had some more bread place here. Or Thank you. Nice. That's one thing like nice on is used to looking after me?
Don't you feel I'm a feeder? Apparently, I never knew that term until Bry said it?
Yeah. When she was like, you know, on a diet, you would just try to supply me with food and help myself. But um,
can you talk about what you mom does your how you
if you're interested.
So my mom, my mom work. I mean, she's retired now. But she worked for a not for profit, which worked with the Australian Government and helping refugees that have come through the system, get placed into their homes, and my mom lives in camera. So they would she would, you know, get assigned, like, X number of refugee families or individuals depending. And then she would work with them and everything from help, you know, finding an apartment for them, making sure there was a fridge and an oven and everything was ready for them to come in. And then she would come so like, let's say a family came from Sudan. And there was like a husband, wife and three kids, she'd made sure that they were enrolled in their English classes, they were getting all the things they needed. They were if they suffered trauma, they were getting, you know, therapy for that. And so it was all kind of like a liaison for that family to her to work with and everything from picking them up from the airport. Wow, to putting you know, giving them the keys to their home or apartment. And so she's an interpreter and now she's Yeah, she's also an interpreter. She was a certified interpreters. So she would like not ruin she she'd go separate. So her job, she would go to the take time off and then go to Nauru or minus Island or Darwin and, and work as an interpreter for the Persians that would come.
So basically, people from Iran,
yeah, would, how would they
have they? That's a very controversial topic to everything. Yeah, it's a lot of controversy in it. But why have I got here? Yeah. Because, you know, there's the refugees my mom worked with, through the agency was all people that have come through the United Nations and through what's generally considered legal means. But then the ones that would come into narrow and manners and Darwin and other areas are what is often considered in Australia is illegal means so they would get on boats from Indonesia. And it was sad, because many of them tied and they were smuggled, basically smugglers
it? That whole thing where it's like, it's a controversial topic, because it's a very complex topic,
because it's I remember as a kid, being in SSA in going to a state SRC conference, so student, Representative counselor, and that was saying that it's not illegal to seek asylum. Right. So but I get what you're saying. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm,
that's not a term I'm happy if that's something that is so controversial, like it's in the news, I had
had the the unconventional people get here.
So many of them come on flights from Iran to Malaysia. And then they go, they make their way from Malaysia to Indonesia. And then they go to some, you know, coastal towns, and then they fill up a boat, and basically as many people as possible, get on the boat, and then make their way to Australian waters. And then they would actually give them the captain of the ship there. Give him a there's usually like a fisherman from Indonesia. Yeah, who had a boat, but they're choosing the worst boats, because they knew that once it was confiscated, the boat is gone, they're not going to choose an expensive boats was usually a boat that was falling apart. And they'd give them a satellite radio. So as soon as they hit Australian waters, they would often call the Coast Guard, come to just come and get them because it's in the middle of nowhere. Yeah. And it's a very, you know, you don't realize my mom has gone in with the control center. And she was like, you know, it's really like finding a needle in the haystack. Like, all when something like that, when they get a call. All boats have to turn to try and find this little ship. So there's a lot of resources that a lot of resources that go into, and they can spend all night trying to find it's literally this little dot, and you don't know like, maybe it's sunk. Maybe it isn't maybe it's, it's quite.
It's it's hard because you the people on the boat.
What they're doing, they wouldn't be doing if they had another option.
And so it's so hard for my son has interesting, but I feel like you've got an interesting perspective, because I feel like I say that shit. And then you said like, a lot of these people are criminals.
Yeah, it's not. I wouldn't say it's my perspective. But I mean, that's, there's always a mixed bag of types of people that are, you know, seeking refugee status. I mean, you know,
there's, there's, there's one, you know, you're you're fleeing persecution, obviously, is the main one. And then there's also people that are just like, they want a better life or, you know, for their kids, maybe they weren't being persecuted, but they feel they live in a society that they don't agree with, or, you know, they might not be chased by the government, you know, soldiers or whatever, but they just don't agree there, or they just want a better life for their children. But then there are, you know, it is often and I mean, this is, you know, I'm going to say this, but then people might get upset with this, but there are criminal elements involved as well, like, where somebody might have murdered somebody, and then they need to get away. Yeah, fast. And then they go through these methods to get away. So there's a mixed bag, you know, there's always different types of people, which is also why it's hard for countries to try and process them because they have to do interviews and figure out like, is this person story legit or not? Is this person a criminal? Could they be running from a crime they committed? That's hard, because it's hard to deal with. If the person let's say, is genuinely seeking political assignment, asylum, and their life is on the line. You can ask the country that they've left, is this guy a criminal? They'll be like, Yes, of course. He is, you know, like he's killed somebody or something. So it's kind of it's a very difficult difficult situation for all involved.
If you are a producer insane in know, you based on your experience of being a producer saying, what do you think the news here in Australia? How do you think they selling this?
I mean, it obviously depends on the channel and stuff. I have to say, I'm a huge fan of SPS, I think SBS is one of the best government channels I've ever seen in my life. I think it's phenomenal. I love the their take on things and of course, their news take stories from different news agencies. And I love the fact that they show international films, they have this global perspective and I think
international Tommy's watch a lot of the SPS internet.
Yeah. dishes are great phones. I know. I know what Josh has referred. That's where I
remember, like growing up, that was a big SBS, flicking it across on SPS, you would commonly say naked. Yeah.
A bit of nudity. Yes, yes. There's a lot of that in
certain cinemas in France, the European Europeans
really never know. But um, I think I think what's important about news is to show as many different perspectives. And I think that's always tricky, because you have limited time. And society as well. We've gone less and less into, in thing, looking at things in depth. We want just instant, give us a 32nd one minute spiel, and then we're, we're okay, like we know about the situation in Syria, or we know about the refugee crisis in such and such a headline, we don't have yet the headline mentality, we don't have as much in depth reporting anymore. Unfortunately,
as someone who spent a lot of time in Australia, but not born here, US Australians are Australians as racist as we think they might be. What's your what's your vibe,
I think, I mean, obviously depends on a person's experience, like I with my look. So someone else like who looks, you know, maybe a Sudanese might have a different experience and have enemies and it depends who you're running into flying generally, I will say that when I lived in Papa New Guinea, and school, the people we always got into fights with and that were the kids that were races, were always Australian, we always had problems with Australian to the point that I thought I would never live in Australia. But now that I live here, that's and I'm sure you know, culture and society changes. And I'd pass through Australia many times, and experienced racism, not to myself, but to others, like I would see on the street. And I'm this is like going back years, like, you know, 1020 years ago, but I think in the last 10 years, at least, since I've, I've been in Australia, 10 years, I feel like Australia is pretty awesome. At least, my experiences have been great. And I feel people. Australians are very
honest about things. I think there's certain things that they say here that for example, if they're in the US, people would say that's racist, but there's it's sort of innocence often about the racism sometimes, like I've had people say, like, you know, you don't mind me asking like, what is your look or whatever, you don't like things like that? Where
am I can good look at what other places
are? That's a strange name. What do you mean, I didn't like other people mean? Like, what do you mean, strange, your name is strange, you know, why is your name the standard? Not mine, you know, and there's a lot of ways you can look at stuff. But I think you can tell someone's attitude and the way they ask and not trying to be, you know, try not trying to take a stab at you. So I don't know, I really had a great experience in Australia, and I really love it. And there have been times where I've gone into a shop. And, you know, I wasn't, you know, the vibe wasn't the best from the person helping me until I start talking, and they hear I've an American accent. And then they're like, oh, you're from the States. America changes everything suddenly, and it's like, What do you know? But you know, it's like, oh, why didn't she come and ask if I needed help? I've been in the shop for like, 15 minutes. Yeah, you know,
bias. unconscious bias
is the, the the traveling I feel like when we were at airports, we would joke that you were sort of, you know, post 911 people would sometimes give us extra looks. Do you actually feel that? Like, I know, we joke about No, actually
I've never had issues with without anywhere. Yeah, I've never had issues with them at all, surprisingly, but like when we're in London, we landed from Pakistan in London, and Josh had grown a beard. And, you know, I was like,
sure that I might get hassled, or Josh was kind of like let's go in separate lines or whatever problem
with the big boys. He looked like someone that could have fled Australia. And he's trying to blend in that was it wrong with it was huge.
It was quite as in London like I was just getting I'll let through like the guy asked me like, how long you here for I was like four days like, hey, and then I wait again, way to get I look and Josh Scott, these five federal agents around him
just the question again.
This was a no they the Federal Police just interviewed me. And then when I went to the US that was when the secondary screenings started. Yeah.
Something like a number of times. You have to travel before it gets taken off. It was like seven domestic flights, I think until
Yeah, it went off as someone who's religious. What's the Australian sort of spin on faith when you tell someone you're behind?
I can imagine they say What the bloody Hell's that? Yeah.
Why? Why? Yeah.
Why hadn't heard of behind until I met Josh
Yeah. So I it's interesting. Like, I think Australians, I mean, generally my experience with Australians who are that they're not religious. And there's a little bit of, there's probably more of my experiences with people just in passing not like once you get to know someone, then you talk about it. It's very interesting. I think Australians find it interesting in a kind of matter of fact way in information way. But often in passing there is often this kind of condescending Oh, you're religious of here. You've been had You poor thing kind of like there's a little bit of that kind of prejudice I think in that way or feel sorry for you way of religion in general, which is also understandable religion has caused a lot of disunity and problems and conflict and I completely understand that but um, I think fortunately, people who have heard of a high look at it in quite positive light. So I've been fortunate when I come across people Oh, I as I know about that or whatever. And, you know, there's a temple I went to an India that's a by temple, different things. So it's, it's been positive generally, but I personally love talking about, like, the meaning of life and religion. And I don't really mind that I had one person that asked me about behind them, I started explaining and they're like, Okay, listen, like you don't need to preach to me. And I was like, you just asked me? I think they're just super paranoid in Australia. In Melbourne. Yeah. But it was more like, I think they were just to take
the pamphlet back. Oh,
wow. It was never had someone.
I mean, if I was to ask someone, what water religion is all embodies that religion. It's a complex question. Yeah, we need a long form. You do
hear a lot of people saying, I'm not religious, but I'm spiritual. You know,
that's a cop out.
No, no, no, I think it's good. Like I get it. I mean, religion, for me is just a way to organize spirituality. It's like a system.
Why do you say sighs faith rather than by religion?
That's a good question. I mean, we consider it a religion. But it's also basically, it's a faith. It's something you believe in. It's not necessarily. You know, I guess like all religion, you could say it's a way of life, but something that behind community is very aware of, and, and this is changing. Also, as, you know, the button behind faith is very personal. But then it's also very organized. And
there's, you know, like, there's one behind so it's like, you're behind Uganda, and you're behind in Chicago, and you're behind in Australia, you pretty much believe in the same thing, except there's a lot of room for your interpretation of things and how your your culture and your circumstances are obviously going to influence that. And the highs, I think, are very careful and getting better at this never to say like Bahais believe x y&z they often say like, my understanding of the behind faith is such and such. And that's, I think, an important nuance because we we can assume to understand we have a lot of Scripture, we have over 100 volumes of Scripture, and we're still trying to figure it out. And I might read a paragraph from some of our scripture and take it a certain way. And I might read it a week later and get something else out of it, depending on my experiences. So it's we're careful not to be too prescriptive as well. It says, kind of balance of being, you know, one religion, one faith, but also realizing that everyone has their own journey. And just on that the one one thing that's important is Bahais are not allowed to proselytize. We believe that religion is a very personal thing. People have to find their own path to God, if they want that, or even if they don't want it. And don't believe in anything. We're not supposed to force anyone to believe in anything. It's a very personal thing. And I think that also, but at the same time, that depends on someone's background, like someone who might come from an evangelical background in the US, who might be you. So then enthusiasts and excited about being behind might be a little bit like, Hey, have you heard of this? And other than that a lot. So it just, it just depends. Have you ever cold out behind a white man stop evangelizing? Yes. Really? Yeah.
What did I say?
No, they got I mean, I think it's about using wisdom as well and trying to read the audience or the person you're meeting with, you know, and it usually comes from a good place like people are excited about something. And, you know, we're encouraged to teach the by faith, but that's very different to proselytizing. Yeah.
imagine Josh being excitable behind guy.
Yeah. Really good Josh gets into everything.
Yeah, joke was like, semi auto piece like, Man, you're gonna come back behind guaranteed
100% I remember Selena and that being like you behind it. Because I would go to all this. I'm interested. I don't need to bait like it. Yeah, I don't see it as like, a lot of the things that the high faith sort of believe in universal values of virtues, like the people like quad who is calluses dad is like one of the nicest people I've ever met. And he's, as I look at all these film, like all my friends
behind and then like, nice people,
what is he saying with Christianity?
Yeah, the old religion like a lot of them,
if you into self help, you hear a lot of the messages that Tony Robbins or all these people are actually saying, in very old scripture that was written hundreds
of Joe probably says, It's not me, this is from Hinduism. And this is you know, like, it's all it's all coming from, at least I believe, a divine source. And then we read translate it into other ways for us to digest and understand I'm reading a Deepak Chopra book at the moment, small little one, of course, seven spiritual truths. Truth.
I'd love to dive into
but the book or that topic
behind, understand it more, but I get it, it's, it's interesting thing, because if you're not to proselytize is that you can't get into it. So how does someone like just go like is that it's almost like the entry I'm now more intrigued that you don't want to sit at making me there nagging me.
We're just talking.
you say nice, you should say nice. I'm talking to behind pants.
How do you explain it? Well, hi behind in a sense,
there's a few I mean, there's a few major principles behind faith, we believe in one God, but whatever that is, we don't have a name for God, like you call it whatever in different languages and it's an unknowable essence or something. And some people might call it the love energy or you know, Muslim, say, Allah.
Energy. But I mean, I just sounds like some sort of like yoga instructor who's found the love energy, the love energy.
There's, there's something beyond the material realm, there's a creator. I think human beings are fascinating. I don't think this just came by looking at carpal tunnel. Having human beings are fascinating. I think there's obviously design involved. So that had to come from something.
So one God, whatever that may be for you as an individual, like how I envision that might be very different to someone else who's a bye. So one God, one world, we believe the earth is one country, and mankind or its citizens. So, you know, obviously, we have nationalities and these borders, but these are man made or human made, we have created more division than there needs to be. We're all members of the same human race, human family, and that we all need to come together. So Paramount teaching or theme of the by faith is unity, to the point that even the the Prophet of the by faith, Bala says, If religion is a source of disunity, it's better not to have it at all. That's how important it is for us. So you know, one God, one religion, and also in the sense that we are sorry, world unity, and one religion where all the religions we feel come from the same source they come, are inspired by God, whether it's Aboriginal, indigenous people in Australia or Native Americans, Buddhism, Hinduism, as a high I believe in Lord Buddha, I believe in Krishna, I believe in Muhammad, Moses, Christ, we believe that these different messengers of God are manifestations of God have come to humanity at different times in different places, and shared something that would help the people of that era era and time and place, live a better life, both spiritually and materialistic, they are practically that's another principle of the faith that science and religion goes hand in hand, we don't think it's this or that we don't say, say that, that we don't for us. It's not creation, you know, creation? Or, like Adam and Eve, or is it the is it just science or we, you know, we kind of, you know, you might say it's like, milk in T, you can't separate the two, the two are kind of living coherently. So everything can be explained by science,
I was just gonna say, if you're using almond milk, it's a different story.
sorry, you got to keep spinning it. So those are some of the main principles, we believe in the equality of women and men. There's an analogy that, you know, it's like a bird, man or woman, one wing woman or the other until both are strong. The bird can fly straight and properly. And we need to, you know, in our religion in our scripture, if you are a family that has a boy and a girl, and you can only afford to send one child to school, you send the girl. Why? Because they're the Educator of the children. And actually now, all the science and experience answers shown the United Nations like UNICEF, that's a standard policy and UNICEF now educating the girl child. So there's a lot of principles like that that we believe in, and how old is it? It's about 100. And it's 167 years old. Wow.
And as far as you talk about scripture, what is this? Is this a book? What would it be? So
we have like, the Quran is the
Bible, we have actually a number, there's about 100 volumes of Scripture, there is a book of laws. But that's a book of laws. And we have many different tablets and books that talk on many different subjects and Bahais. generally use all of those in conjunction with each other, you can't just look at like this one thing, and then use it in isolation of something else, you have to look at all of it together, because also certain tablets may have been written for something very specific.
So there has been
written all available as the Prophet yesterday, right? Oh, he wrote. So he's written a huge amount of Scripture. And then his son was the successor in a sense of Paula's revelation. And then he hasn't given permission by Bala to interpret and expand on a lot
of Did you have when you were young, get move away from the faith?
Yeah, I mean, I was. So that's another principle of the faith is that just because you're I was born into a by family, but just because you're born into by family doesn't mean you are behind like, it's something we believe independent investigation of truth for each human being. So even though my parents were behind, it was up to me to find my own path, and decide if I want to be a buy or not buy or something else. I was raised in a very, you know, active by family, obviously, my parents are going to raise me as a behind with by principles. But then I, I went through my own journey, I did a lot of reading, I didn't want to be behind for a while I felt I was very much I believed in Che Guevara and revolution friends phenomena, I felt there needed to be changed the world was a violent, unjust place in order to I wanted positive change. But I felt you couldn't have positive change through peaceful means you had to have positive change through force at times, because you can't talk to a violent dictator by like, being nice and total thing like sometimes you need to use violence have revolution. And I quickly as you read more and study more about history and the world and you look at, you know, Gandhi and Martin Luther King, and, and the, you know, Bolshevik Revolution, you realized I realized that these, that the only true Revolution Revolution can happen through peaceful means, because there needs to be, you know, coherence and what you believe the ends don't justify the means, like, you have to have coherence and how you do things. So, for me, it was, you know, the journey of discovery. And I think probably by the time I was 18, I really decided for myself, yeah, this is something I really believe in. And, of course, we're all trying to follow you know, you'll meet a lot of Bahais that are whole spectrum summer, you're struggling with certain things. Everybody's got their struggles, and we're all coming from different walks of life. And we're all trying to live according to the revelation of Bible or the teachings as best we can. But it's a constant journey. So
how much impact did your dad have on who you are?
I think huge amount of impact. Yeah, both my parents,
so he was a doctor.
Yeah, my dad was a medical doctor. My parents left Chicago, my dad felt he didn't want to be a doctor to be another doctor in the US has enough doctors. He wants to go somewhere that needed more doctors. So they apply to a number of different countries in the world. And
you know what was on the list? I know
Chad was one of the country and it's fun to chat is in Africa. It's a French speaking country, but my parents had sounds like some California dude. Yes.
have a close friend named Chad from the US. What's up Chad? Chad, Chad watching, he'll probably listening to that. No, but I think my pants are like, you know, we learn English. We don't have to learn another language. We don't have to learn French. And also the medical school and popping again, you really wanted my dad and they wrote back. This is in the days of like mail actual paper mail. They wrote back to him straight away and said, Please come. He went for two weeks visit, came back to the states and told my mom, it's awesome. We're going
that's cool. You pissed off? being a kid who like you have this comfy life?
Yes, sir Papa New Guinea twice. I was too. When we went to the five. We went back to Chicago when I was five. And I was there till I was nine. And then nine we went I went we went back to papa New Guinea. That was at the beginning was an adventure was hard. But then as Papa New Guinea has a lot of challenges, unfortunately, the crime is quite high. And so I experienced a lot of trauma, you could say and experience and witnessing quite brutal violence. So you know, I started to become very like, why did he leave the suburbs of Chicago? That was quite difficult. Yeah.
Cuz you wave at when we've nice on and I've traveled a lot. You've got quirks based on you like my trauma is having dirty glasses. Whereas nice sounds trauma is like what you want to like, not be on the ground level. You hate being on the ground level. And it
just proves my point in Australia. It's awesome.
It's really is IVF. That's awesome.
We haven't had to worry about and so your dad got sick was in a coma for how long?
Yeah, my dad had bypass surgery. And the surgery was successful. But we don't know what happened. While he was in intensive care afterwards, you know, they keep them under observation after an operation like that. He went into coma. He was in coma for two years. And then he passed away and said, what was that to us? Like, that was hard. I came for this. The I was away for the first six months, my older sister came and helped my mom look after my dad. And then I came and my sister went back to her husband and she was living and Canada at the time. And I came in help my mom look after my dad was hard. I think, you know, it was really hard for my mom and my mom and dad were extremely in love.
It's hard and my dad was you know, really vibrant powerhouse. Like he, he loved life. I mean, when he would eat like he would regularly he and he you know, he would spend a lot of time. Yeah. And he spent a lot of time in the jungles and doing medical work and, and men, you know, the people really, really loved him. And so it was, it was hard, I think to see someone like my dad just laying there on a hospital bed looking asleep. And and you know,
there's not much research actually medically even in comas. So it's there's a whole wide, the little research that's been done are also different. So it's hard to tell
what state the person is in. So that was actually very difficult. And, you know, you really my mom was phenomenal. And I think it was very hard for her. But she handled it really well. And yeah, it was a it was an interesting time is a very interesting, what was the personal growth for you? What did you What did that perspective, give you do you think?
I think you really realize that you have to do everything you can. While you can you realize that you don't know, you know, my dad went in for this operation that was like a preventative operation. And the operation was fine. I called I was filming a project. And I was in Vancouver at the time, and I called my mom in the ICU unit. And she was like, Oh, yeah, your dad's here is fine. The operation went well. He's having soup right now we had some family, visitors, and everything was fine. But that morning at 3am, my dad went into coma. So you just don't know. Like, you can think things are fine, but then things can turn. So I think for me, it really kind of stress the urgency of really trying to do what you want to do as quickly as you can in the sense because you never know, like not putting things off. But then also doing what's important, like kind of, you know, choosing the big rocks in the jar. And if you've heard that analogy, like triage, the kind of things you want to do and making sure that you're trying to accomplish that.
How you with teamwork versus individualism, do you think
that's a hard one for me, because on one hand, I really is people that shit. know, I really want to get stuff done. And it's always easier sometimes to just do stuff on your own. It's the, in some ways, it's like, I'll just do it myself. But then at the on the other hand, I feel like it's not always the healthiest thing, you don't grow as much as an individual. And the product isn't always as good as it could be. I think you'll see certain solo artists and music for example, like Prince, for example. I mean, God, he did amazing work. But a lot of bands that the person does the lyrics, the bass, the drums, the guitar, everything kind of might not be as dynamic and colorful in the sense as it could be if I there was a collaboration of musicians coming together, there's a different kind of energy and I think in a lot of the work we do, whether it's creative or not, I think there's a certain energy that comes from collaboration, which sometimes can be slower and more painful and more difficult because working with people are always hard. Everybody's layered. We're all complex, but I feel like it's an important thing to do. I think we have to try and it's a good way to make yourself grow.
I can see why you guys are friends.
Friends. What do you do you have any final questions for nice? This is your opportunity to get any other to be honest guys. I've been worried about my car park.
What I'm packing into a spot and I'm
already getting a ticket
I have chased parking attendants down the strategy because they like have given me tickets and I still had time.
Yeah. Have you ever had that happen? That's bullshit. No,
no, this was before like now it's all digital. Yeah, but this is before then and I've literally run after them being like
what are you doing we know we know this big.
We know these big massively bodybuilder professional bodybuilder who's a ticket inspector around here. And we say he's ABS Yeah. And he was smiling as Josh Tyson anyway he said I said to him are do you get blokes like wanting to fight you guys leave me alone It's the girls they gonna even yell at me because you know they like he's not gonna do anything
writes his ticket
but that's until they get a commission This is what I want
show me we were too scared to ask him anything beyond
find out please yeah
we definitely will be whatever Council of these around sort of Windsor way what started starting Tim starting 10 yeah potentially beautiful uniforms
of the informs are important they were sort of
sounds like I'm describing the UPS guys in short You're like a Navy short with a light blue they have these like long stick that has the chalk so
they don't do their back yeah
but it looks like a legit
quality like it looks like it's like a one yeah like a really legit Josh loves uniform. I
always checking out fire trucks ups delivery trucks the US they have cool trucks all the time.
I always joke the nice on should have been a secure a Mall Cop security. Just a bit sort of Yeah, just like that pathetic run chasing so what is that? You would just I feel like you would get fired for too much aggression like just but
the guy down
slam the old lady painting a 14 year old kid against the wall. Thank you for coming. We'll have to get you back on yeah as the old match awesome. Was it what you expected?
I did not expect to eat
demolishing okay yeah.
I really appreciate nice on the Rockies. I'm glad there was some saw I was worried that it would just be all joking around. Yeah, well, I thought we covered some very crucial and deep topics
well nice on said to me but before we came on the show I said to him, don't mind about ripping into me. It's like now I don't really want to I'd prefer to be positive. I'm like, I'm only saying because I want to fucking rip into you. And if you don't repeat to me, yeah, I just look like in a household. And which is pretty classic. So what you'd hope Josh Yeah, it's fun. It's a fun today. Talk to everyone. Hi, the daily talk show.com if you want to send us an email. Otherwise, we'll see you tomorrow. See you guys bye bye.