Counting My Chews

Tommy: The Daily Talk Show. It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 277.

Josh: Gee wowee.

Tommy: I'm on to a mocha.

Josh: Yeah, why are you doing that, mate?

Tommy: Uh, well, just because I think I, um— is it less strong? No.

Josh: Well, I think it just adds the sugar, so maybe just—

Tommy: no, no, no, not sugar, chocolate. Hang on, do you think?

Josh: 100% sugar, what do you mean? But the mocha isn't just not sugar.

Tommy: Well, chocolate could be, but you think that they've put a bit of sugar in it. I'd be really upset if I knew that.

Josh: I think 80% of cafes where you go and you ask for a hot chocolate, it is— the chocolate powder is probably 70% sugar.

Tommy: So a cappuccino, yeah, the only reason you'd order a cappuccino really is for the little bit of choccy on top.

Josh: Choccy on top, just a little, you know, a little bit of that. I was doing the hand gesture of poor, uh, doing little shakes. It's not the, it's not the most conducive hand gesture.

Tommy: Did you notice, did you notice in, uh, Italy cappuccinos feel like they had more froth?

Josh: Yeah, because you're drinking pretty much a Bogan's mouthwash. Like, in Italy, coffee is macchiato, short black, like espresso.

Tommy: Really? I felt like cappuccino, because cappuccino I always saw as Just very quickly, my finger's really sore.

Josh: Why? What are you doing?

Tommy: See that there? Oh, that I've got like, I've got a, a, what would you, how would you describe that?

Josh: It's just like a little blister. It's, that's popped open.

Tommy: Do you know how I got that?

Josh: Not doing hard work, that's for sure.

Tommy: Holding my water bottle when doing my half marathon walk on Sunday. I had it in my, I had it in my fit, I had like, I hooked, I've got like a hook on my water bottle and I was just sort of walking along with it and at the end of it like How the fuck did that happen, bro?

Josh: Your, your, your hands haven't seen a day of hard work in their life.

Tommy: Absolutely.

Josh: Um, I actually was cutting up, uh, pumpkin and I got a blister as well. This is just complete amateur softies not holding their bottle right or just doing repetitive stupid shit, not feeling it.

Tommy: The other night I was watching A Current Affair. Oh yeah, in Australia it's, um, hang on, were you at Oh, wasn't it?

Josh: Holy moly, there's the—

Tommy: well, Bree just— it was, um, Bree's getting into Married at First Sight. Horrendous show.

Josh: Yeah, it's—

Tommy: yeah, it's a show where people basically, uh, they've been unlucky in love. Yes, unlucky in love. Has anyone said unlucky in love before reality shows? Do you know what I mean?

Josh: Yeah, that is true. But anyway, lucky in love.

Tommy: And so a bunch of people with unlucky in love and they meet someone for the first time, they've had like psychologists or whatever assess if who should be matched with who. Yes. And then it's a surprise and then you get married.

Josh: The OG show, because I remember watching this and Amy was saying this last night, that the one that was over in the UK, they actually— it wasn't as sort of joke and sort of silliness value because like on this one they've got the virgin and so they get building out all these characters like a good reality show does. But the original was like psychologists looking at sort of the different traits of these people and really trying to match them up so that they are in love, but then they get married. It's all bullshit.

Tommy: It's become more Beauty and the Geek. Yeah, potentially. Yeah, this— all this area has started to lean towards, uh, Shameless podcast. This is what they talk about.

Josh: They cover the important topics.

Tommy: Well, it's dumb, dumb shit for smart chicks. Yeah, is there—

Josh: a lot of smart people like dumb shit. Yeah, because it's an escapism from being— having to sort of have all the answers.

Tommy: I'm a Dumb dude who likes smart shit.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, that's a bit— that's pretty good.

Tommy: It's pretty fair. I love books. We spoke— we spoke about with Peter Shepherd.

Josh: Well, I think we're two dumb dudes giving it a crack. And so— and that's why I've always like— I was big on— I wanted to be a coach. I wanted to be the Peter Shepherd, uh, but I was too immature.

Tommy: Well, you went to the coaching institute.

Josh: Yeah, I paid $5,000 and, um, you know, paid it off.

Tommy: How much was it, like a monthly payment?

Josh: I think that, yeah. So this is a business in Australia that offers up a coaching degree. Not that it's— I mean, it's their certification. I don't know what it means.

Tommy: I don't know if you can call it a degree. Certificate?

Josh: Well, they call it that.

Tommy: Really?

Josh: You can do the diploma, you can do all the—

Tommy: Really? And you did a degree? So you've got a degree?

Josh: No, I actually didn't complete it.

Tommy: You didn't even complete that?

Josh: I completed the stuff I needed to do, but I just didn't end up doing it anyway.

Tommy: What was the degree? What did it actually require?

Josh: There was like a year-long one, or there was like a 6-month month one.

Tommy: What did you do?

Josh: Just different tiers, and you had to do a lot of practical coaching one-on-one. I had a really bad experience actually, and the power of thought was at play in this moment. So I, I did the weekend workshop, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. So you pay your $5,000, you get this sort of like intensive 8 hours a day, sort of quite emotionally driven. You're doing coaching, you're kind of having these breakthroughs, and it's— I think it's based on how tired people are. And how sort of open, open people are to sort of be in this mindset. But this woman was like, you changed me, you changed me.

Tommy: Oh, that's nice.

Josh: I was like 19 at the time or 20 or something like that.

Tommy: Big ego boost for you?

Josh: It was really— we were doing shit like, okay, so I've just turned towards Josh, face me, and this is what we're doing. Like, there was this one session, I'm sitting there with this woman I've never met before, and our knees are almost touching, we're looking towards each other, just resting your part, your, your knuckles on your thighs, so your palms to the ceiling. And it was really just like, we did this thing where we just looked in each other's eyes. And so it was just looking into each other's eyes for a while, and it was weird. And so that they just like trying to get you to connect, and then it's about coaching instead of just being open. And so there's some nice things. It was like probably a lot of manipulation techniques going on, but there is something to be said about sort of being super present.

Tommy: Turn around now.

Josh: Yeah, we can turn it. But it was, it was weird. We did that, like doing that with a complete stranger Is that what changed her, that bit? No, because then we did the coaching bit where it's like you need to now go on this journey with them asking questions, no judgment, just being open to sort of navigate their thoughts.

Tommy: Which—

Josh: so they are doing a good thing coaching people, but it's like the personal training courses. There'll probably be one coach out of 25 suckers paying $5,000.

Tommy: What was the bad thing?

Josh: To do the job.

Tommy: You were saying that you had a bad experience?

Josh: So post, uh, course, you get assigned assigned a person to do the sessions with. Yeah, I got assigned a fucking person that lived in Thailand.

Tommy: Really?

Josh: She'd come over to do the course. Lovely sweet girl. Could not remember for the life of me what she looked like or her name now because it was so long ago.

Tommy: But would have been great to call her out.

Josh: No, it was nothing to do with her. It was like my annoyance was I'm doing this course, I'm paired with somebody who can hardly speak English and I'm needing to try and coach them every single week, a couple of times a week.

Tommy: Do you think you would almost change that? I almost said that as exciting now. Yeah, I'd be like, oh, that's cool. Maybe I can, because I know a little bit of Saudi crap.

Josh: It's like fucking learning how to edit on a MacBook Pro that's set to French. I had no idea what I— like, I was trying to— it threw me off because I wasn't present. You're trying to be present and you're like thinking 'What are they saying? Like, they're not actually understanding my words.' And then you start trying to talk very slowly. I don't know, it was—

Tommy: yeah, I wonder what Peter Sheppard would do.

Josh: I did acknowledge it at that moment as like, 'Oh, this is a challenge.' So there is the, like, I'm making excuses by finding something, but I was like, 'It kind of is. I paid fucking all this money and I couldn't be put with somebody that I could really give this a crack with.' Maybe that's a story.

Tommy: I think that it sounds like a story. Like, even you saying it now, I feel like it's changing, maybe. Yeah. Perception.

Josh: Yeah, but I just remember how I feel. So I'm taking how I felt and how I think about it from a sort of zoomed out position, and I still feel like it's, it's super hard. It was super hard, and I just, I was young anyway. So that was one of, that was the thing. But other than that, like, doing the, the course and sort of like shifting gears in what I was doing in my life, because I was like hell-bent on becoming a presenter and working in radio and on TV and I took the foot off the gas, and when I took the foot off the gas, I got a job in radio.

Tommy: Started to work out.

Josh: Yeah, so it's like, it was like, now I'm going to be a co— like, look into this coaching stuff and commit to this, pay this money. And as soon as I did that and I stopped thinking about it, I fucking got a call. Hey, do you want to come be the roving reporter for the Rush Hour?

Tommy: And so it's on Triple M. Yeah.

Josh: And then I got, yeah, job on radio, which was so weird where it's like, yeah, the shifting away from the thought brought it to me. I can't even remember how we got to that storey about wanting to be a coach.

Tommy: Is it something that you— the, the course stuff?

Josh: Self-development, that's what I was thinking about, because I was thinking about when I wanted to be— like, I've always wanted to do self-development, but I think the only way I can do it— bringing back to it, just two dumb blokes. Yeah, it's like my level of self-development that's on my YouTube channel is essentially self-development for dummies by a dummy. Yeah, so it's like low basic stuff where it's like, I'm only just figuring this out as well. So it's not like— I think there's— it's hard when you're, uh, you know, this sort of superior figure that has it all worked out. It's, um, there's a lot of responsibility there.

Tommy: The train— I like the idea of doing courses, but then I feel like halfway through I always Don't like the pace, annoys me.

Josh: Yeah, well, you're— it's a structure that you're sticking to.

Tommy: Yeah, it's a curriculum that you have to follow.

Josh: We've been no good at that in our, in our time.

Tommy: Well, I've got— I actually pay for that, um, for masterclass.com. Yeah, so I need— yeah, we actually, we need to use it. $97. I'll get— I'll send you the link.

Josh: You'll get more use out of it.

Tommy: Well, because the thing is, I got it— I think they had some sort of promotion, but it runs through the App Store. Subscription.

Josh: So you're still paying?

Tommy: No. Well, so it's— it doesn't— I looked it up, it doesn't renew until July.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: But it's one of those ones where it's like, it's a yearly fee. It's probably like $400 Australian or something. And so it's, it's so annoying if that was to like re— um, just tick over, tick over.

Josh: It goes—

Tommy: it's an annoying one to tick over.

Josh: Very annoying. But that's got— you can learn how to shoot basketball hoops with Steph Curry. Or be a film director with that guy from Breaking— no, from Breaking Bad, from Sons of Anarchy, one of those directors, super talented dudes talking you through some, you know, hard shit. So yeah, have you felt like—

Tommy: I think you've done a better job than I have on the New Year's resolution front. Are you feeling, feeling good about it? Oh yeah, we're in February now.

Josh: Well, very basic ones that I've stuck to, and but they've all been flow ones. They've all been the ones that then open up to do the other stuff.

Tommy: Keystone habits is what they call it in The Power of Habit, which is small habits which then lead to bigger changes. So the idea of filling up your water regularly or always, so a habit could be never letting your water get past a certain line or whatever before you fill it up. It creates all of these habits where you go, you fill it up more and you're moving more.

Josh: I'd probably explain, for me, the keystone habit explanation is, for instance, the exercise every second day, and I can't miss. I can't have more than one day off. Yeah, so I could train two days in a row, then have a day off, but I've got to train the next day. Doing that then flows on to how I'll eat.

Tommy: Yeah, exactly.

Josh: The choices I'll make, what I'll do as far as sleep, you know. So then I think, yeah, it's that like flow-on effect.

Tommy: Yeah, exactly.

Josh: So that's one of them, the exercise and no drinking. So these are all— that's a, for me, keystone habit because it just means I haven't eaten Maccas after being boozed.

Tommy: Of course.

Josh: Haven't, yeah, just made silly food choices.

Tommy: Do you think that you've Mentally it's been easy doing all these?

Josh: Yeah, I don't know why though, because sometimes I find it— found it hard. I've set it very low, so it's like—

Tommy: so is this less gym than you would normally do if you were taking something on, or no?

Josh: Have you done more gym because it's consistent? It's less gym because in the past I've trained more, but it's— so it is more gym. That's the thing, it's more going to— okay, yeah, I'm going to the gym more often and ex— or doing some form of exercise, like on Friday night I went, I had an exercise and I'm like, I need to get out. And so I walked for over an hour. Oh, that's which I would never normally walk, which I'd never normally do for me.

Tommy: Yeah. So it's, yeah, the Keystone Habit stuff.

Josh: And where do you think, because you've said you've fallen short with some of yours, which I don't think that's the thing, like you can fall off in February, you can go, I fucked it, but it doesn't mean, but yeah, I see it as like temporary.

Tommy: Yeah, I see it as like temporary failures to work out what needs to be in place. For me, I think getting up early makes a massive difference, which means going to bed earlier, which then feeds into a bunch of things. So it's like actually having some consistency. So because we've been house sitting and all those different bits, they're all excuses, but I haven't allowed myself to be mindful on all of the— those elements. So it's like It's not like I get up at the same time every morning. Yeah, every night it's like, what time am I going to get up today? So what I'm really looking forward to is the keystone habit of being out of bed by 6, that type of thing. The cold shower— I'm doing cold showers every day, but it's not fucking hard when it's like 40 degrees.

Josh: What do you— is this been a thing? Was this on the list?

Tommy: No, but it was easy to The funny thing is when I don't do one type of goal, I will then compromise and do something else. So make other improvements. So it's like, well, if you're not gonna go to the gym, what other smaller sacrifice could you make today? And so for me, it's like, oh, actually, and I've been feeling good. I've been a bit achy or whatever. I think maybe from walking that hard.

Josh: You walked 21 kilometres on Sunday.

Tommy: And so the feeling a bit sore from that, but just before going to bed, being efficient in the shower, You can waste so much time in the shower, whereas if you have it in the cold, on the cold, especially no fucking around, no squeegees.

Josh: Well, you're closed up, you're just, just in and out when it's cold.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah.

Josh: And so Matt D'Avella is doing, um, cold showers every day for 30 days. I mean, he's in winter in LA, which isn't— in LA it's like September, but in Australia, like, nice and warm. It's, um, I, I did. I— so I worked out on Sunday. It was hot, really hot. I usually wouldn't have gone if I hadn't done that every second day. Um, and I tried a little cold shower after the training. I was like, oh, no way.

Tommy: Really? Momentum is everything though. Yeah, if you can build up momentum, then it— like, you look at this podcast, even adding video becomes less less and less friction.

Josh: Um, well, consistency builds a momentum.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And so if you take the— take off the table the big, like, crazy, you know, crazy shit, like crazy goals, and you actually just chip away, in the long term you've done the crazy goal by chipping away and creating the momentum.

Tommy: Well, find— trying to find an apartment, I feel like, has taken a lot of weekends and time. And so once that's gone I mean, is that just a story? I mean, it is 100% a story, but storeys can work.

Josh: Yeah, the Thailand thing, it's, uh, well, that's like, yeah, it's, it's mindset.

Tommy: And I understand that it's like I've been getting into a negative mindset about it. However, it feels like some of these things that we are doing in regards to the podcast and adding video, like, it feels like improvements happening Do you feel that? Like it feels like we're like only a couple of things off before it's like really choo-chooing and moving along.

Josh: I think the problem with the small implementation consistently is that it doesn't feel like the big thing. It doesn't feel like, fuck, 8 weeks, 5 days a week training, I'm doing it. I've told Josh, I'm in there, I'm talking about it. It doesn't have the same reward um, this— the instant gratification.

Tommy: And the instant gratification is a lot of times the thing that will create the energy or motivation. So it needs to come from another place, which is consistency, which I've done all of that, and it's—

Josh: and it's definitely not long-lasting. The thing about the year off alcohol is that I've just gotten out, but it's long enough to be a solid period of time.

Tommy: So what has been the learning? When are you most likely to fall off the the wagon?

Josh: Uh, definitely not the alcohol thing. I just—

Tommy: it seems easy.

Josh: Yeah, it feels really easy now that I've said, and I can have the banter of, yeah, we'll have a beer in 2020.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: But yeah, I don't—

Tommy: do you reckon in 2020 you'll start drinking again?

Josh: Oh, I'm really looking forward to— and whether I do then or not is another thing— summer of 2020, down the beach, first week of Jan, hot, getting plastered. Not even, just some cold beers with some nuts. It's such a good combo. Some chips and Red Rock Deli, oh, lime and pepper.

Tommy: Red Rock, is that outside Australia?

Josh: I don't know. Yeah, maybe.

Tommy: How do you describe them for people who've never had?

Josh: They're just a crisp, a chip, just, oh, just oven baked, but they're just flavoursome chips. Yeah, really good flavors. I'm just, I really want one now. But yeah, I'm looking forward to that, so I can set that away. But I haven't, yeah, I don't know.

Tommy: Do you think mood-wise Do you think it's positive on your mood because that's like you're in control, or do you feel like ego depletion, which is like you're running out of willpower because you're having to use so much for all these things?

Josh: No, not really.

Tommy: I—

Josh: what I've noticed though from not drinking and exercising more is how I still struggle with feeling anxious about shit and not being in a clear mindset.

Tommy: It doesn't all go away. That's the interesting thing.

Josh: Well, I— what I've learned, the learning is when you throw things like getting wasted and then feeling— for me, feeling fucking emotional or like just short and shitty at things and just not being clear, and then being sleep deprived because you've gone out all night just getting fucked up. Like that, how bad I'd feel then with how good I'm treating myself now and how bad I can feel. I'm not— I don't feel that bad, but I just look at myself and go Imagine if I added all those other things. I just wasn't listening to myself. Yeah, you know, I wasn't listening to my body, and I still probably don't on the weekends when I eat fucking 4 pizzas.

Tommy: But is that what you're having, a bit of a cheat? Like, what's your current strategy?

Josh: I enjoy it more doing it on the weekends based on not doing it during the week and training. And so I do, I do enjoy it a bit more, but I'm not like, I'm not going, I'm not waking up eating peanut M&Ms for breakfast.

Tommy: I did that once. You did. I mean, so fucking great.

Josh: I love that.

Tommy: Fat Fridays. Do you think, uh, the amount of shit— like Mr. 97 the other day did a video of how many bites. Gemma did more bites, but to be fair, she was taking smaller bites.

Josh: Yeah, she was little nibbles. It's interesting seeing Gemma's little nibbles like a mouse and then seeing your slow but large bites.

Tommy: They were deliberate though, they're very intentional.

Josh: I've been blown away how quickly you can eat something though. Yeah, but it's not like you're messy being a pig. I'm just blown away by how, how quick it—

Tommy: like, it's opening my mouth.

Josh: So I have to tell my son, chew your food. Yeah, because he just takes it. And so maybe there's a bit of the—

Tommy: I should try and be more deliberate in, in regards to that.

Josh: I mean, it's got— it's maybe you need that, or maybe I need something different, but people do the Counting my chews, like, have you heard of those dudes?

Tommy: Yeah, but the thing is I'm trying not to overthink at the moment.

Josh: Yeah, that's a problem.

Tommy: So counting my chews seems quite fucking— there's a title of the show, '97, Counting My Chews. Like, doing that feels like it is in one regard it's being intentional, yeah, but then from the other side it's fucking obsessive. Yeah, like I'm trying to let— like, uh, trying to think less. Like overthink things or not feel guilty around eating or food. But I don't know whether that's just going to mean like I fucking get fat.

Josh: An additional layer of thought, which is like an obsession. Well, so how—

Tommy: well, no, so it's not being— so I'm trying not to be obsessed, obsessive. But the problem is that then my obsessiveness is the way that I keep in order. So it's like me not having breakfast, where I'm like, you know what, I'm just going to be normal and I'll eat bread. Like, if I'm hungry right now, I'll eat breakfast. But then I think that that will actually just lead to me putting on weight.

Josh: I don't think so. I think, I think if, if you just approach it with that and that's your single thought, because if the approach was I'm just going to eat breakfast now, what that looks like each day is this specific thing to start the day with. So then it's not open to, well, my rule's to eat breakfast and there's a Macca's drive-through for a bacon egg McMuffin. McMuffin, which I mean, I'd probably get it with you.

Tommy: McMuffin.

Josh: Yeah, but I think that's where— how do you not be a psycho? How do you not come across— because you've even said like, oh, like about my routine that I've created, you've— what have you said? It's like it's pretty intense or some— something around— what have you like thought about it?

Tommy: No, I don't think it was negative.

Josh: It was like, I think it's just looking at sort of when do you veer off, like with how do you not Well, it's regimented or whatever.

Tommy: I think part of it is working out when to— when can you flex, like as in be flexible? When can you say, all right, um, I've been using flex too much now, I've confused the actual— when can you be flexible? Yeah, I think, um, for instance, uh, fasting and stuff, like I think it just all needs to be dialled in. I think it's so determined based on who you're around, what your environment is, and then changing those things You know, yeah.

Josh: What is the answer though if you are strategic but you also want to be flexible? I think maybe there's the—

Tommy: well, working out where is the flexibility. So maybe it's eating out socially but not eating as much when you're on your own versus like eating socially and then coming home and eating again, potentially.

Josh: External pressure on all the things we do because— but then we've only got ourselves to rely on.

Tommy: So for all the Um, in saying that, we also have like families and we have expectations. And so when you're catching up with Amy each evening, if, if the one area is that you guys are having dinner together and that's like a way to connect, but you're like, I had a big lunch, I'm not going to eat dinner, how does, how do those social interactions play out? For me, well, no, just in, like, in that sort of general idea. I think that it's so many of the 'am I going to eat something' is determined based on what's everyone else doing around me.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, going. But then again, if that is delivering up a shit result for you, there's the—

Tommy: oh yeah, well, exactly. I don't think that you can— I think that it's finding the external forces and the internal need and trying to align them as much as possible. So if you are in a family or you've got a partner who really cares about cooking food and, and, um, eating together, but then you're— that means that you probably shouldn't be having a massive lunch. Like, if you're trying to be calorically responsible or not having too many calories, you probably should have a smaller lunch so that you can still do that. Yeah, I think that's what I struggle with is trying to work out like trying to keep everyone fucking happy or thinking about like, oh, what's the— and but also I enjoy the food.

Josh: There is it, but you, you could be, you know, swimming the other direction down. You could be swimming upstream, everyone's going downstream, so they're not thinking and you are. And that's— so that's all you've done. Yeah, it affects people around you. I know that because if you're— the drinking thing is one For me, who has, and then—

Tommy: so then what do you do? Because I think that it's like the— we're all on a different path. So whilst it might not make sense for you to be eating bread, does that mean that there's no bread in the house?

Josh: Yeah, I guess that is it. There is bread in my house and I haven't been eating it during the week. Yeah, that— but we should— it's okay to have bread because you could say I need bread. I have said in the past I need everything out of my house. Because I'll eat it if it's there.

Tommy: Which is like a hard— like, it's impossible for everyone around you.

Josh: And but I think it's a dumb strategy based on how the world works. Shit gets given to your partner that she brings home because she's, you know, been given some freebies, works at a radio station and has got some donuts. But you can't— then it's not her fault.

Tommy: But then so for some people, they're like, I can't have it in the house. Yeah. So then it's— it creates an expectation not just for you but for everyone else around you. Around— it's controlling your environment because psychologically it's easier if it's not there, then you don't— it's less pressure on you. But it also has implications of the people you're around.

Josh: Yeah, I mean, the food one is so complex.

Tommy: Fuck, the amount of time I waste on food.

Josh: What, thinking about—

Tommy: thinking about— thinking about it? Yeah. It's annoying as fuck.

Josh: It's annoying because why are you thinking about it?

Tommy: Well, it's because I don't want it. Like, I've been 120 kilos, so it's like thinking about, okay, how many mistakes off am I from getting back to that weight?

Josh: Yeah, I don't have the answers. 5. 5 more Fat Fridays. 5 more Fat Fridays was your idea, bro.

Tommy: We need to rein in Fat Friday. We need to work out a way of— or, but the thing is, if it was just contained to Friday, it would be fucking fine, but it never is. Yeah, well, that, that's a rule that all these things, like, all of it, every single problem, like, everyone has can be answered by some easy combination of, or just do this, this, this, and this.

Josh: Yeah, but then that's why I struggle to understand and articulate why it is that I'm now sticking to into this? Is it that I have a kid? Is it that, like, why am I not—

Tommy: I think the focus— I think the good thing with the situation you're in at the moment is nothing's changing. You've, like, you know that there's going to be a— like, it's easier to commit to things where it's like, you know what, this is me for the year, this is where I'm living, this is what's happening, this is how I get to work, this is how I'm cooking my food. Nothing is going to really change. I think that the harder part is when it— when we're in flux, when we're in cha— like, I think when people are traveling, they struggle to stay healthy, and it's because it's like they're consistently changing.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And so I think that the, the responsible thing would be to say, okay, well, this is my situation now, and so I'm going to eat this way. I'm going to work out a mechanism to make this work now so that when I have X, Y, and Z, it's easy. But I think that that's— it's a lot of fucking cognitive load.

Josh: So a month in, do you completely scrub out all your New Year's resolutions and start again once you've got your setup in your house?

Tommy: And yeah, well, I think it's— yeah, I think it's learning. I think it's learning about, okay, what's worked, what hasn't worked, how— why have— like, why have things failed? And then saying, okay, well, what is the— what's the— not the end game, but like, what's the ultimate lifestyle? Like, at the moment, um, uh, say if we're doing a shoot or whatever, because we're just getting back into the year and we've got new gear and all that sort of thing, it feels like there's friction. It's hard. We're working out what's the process. Whereas like, when you have something for a long time, it's like plug the thing in here, I do this thing. And so there's a part of it which is getting familiar, even filming this, where it becomes like we get into a cadence, we get into a momentum that then allows us to correct other things.

Josh: Yeah, I think the feeling though is replacing that with something else. Like the feeling of getting used to what we're doing here will then just be replaced by that. Yeah, we then create a bit of somewhere else.

Tommy: And so that's where it comes from. It's not going to be the answer, but yeah, it's, it's very complex. But I think that definitely, um, re-looking at my resolutions and saying, okay, what are the things I can— leading with what's easy for me, because I reckon part of it is like, what is— what are the easy things that you're not doing right now? I think we focus on the hard shit. There's actually like heaps and heaps of really, really easy things that that are such small, um, like examples where it's like, oh, I can actually— like, this is so easy.

Josh: Or drastic change makes a lot more noise than the smaller stuff.

Tommy: Getting up at 6 AM is actually really easy.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Even if you're tired. So I think that like those little examples where it's like, what are the things that I could do? I'm trying to do that, which is like, what are the things I could do now that's actually— that doesn't even— like, if I'm not going to do the thing, what is a level of improvement?

Josh: Yeah, one back. We got a— well, this came through on my personal Instagram account from Eric, but he's been listening to the show. This is— he commented on a photo of Gemma from last week's Fat Fridays. He said, dude, it was weird and amazing to hear someone say, I've never been to the USA. It's like we over here are so wrapped up in our own shit, we we forget there's a whole world besides us.

Tommy: It's so interesting.

Josh: One of my favourite comics said in a podcast recently, uh, something about speaking American. It was like legit, it's meaning English, but he's saying speaking American. I just thought it was very telling for an American. Yeah, because I think that is like—

Tommy: but the interesting thing is people who listen to this podcast are clearly not that, right? Like they're examples of people who are like, to seek out something of two Aussie dudes in Melbourne talking shit.

Josh: Yeah, I mean, you can understand this. Yeah, but I mean, there is a lot going on over in the States to not leave.

Tommy: It's big enough, it's big enough. Go to Hawaii for a beach holiday, go to the snow, Amazon Prime, Amazon Prime. Yeah, it's all there.

Josh: And we also got from Kyle, who is—

Tommy: hi@thedailytalkshow.com.

Josh: He's just shot us a bunch of questions.

Tommy: Pick one, what do you want to answer? Have you ever been to Adelaide, my city?

Josh: No, I've never been to Adelaide. Have you ever been to Adelaide?

Tommy: Yes. Oh yeah, you went for the Clipsal 500.

Josh: Yeah, not to drink Bundy cans, for work.

Tommy: I'd love to go there, I would love to go, Kyle, love to go to Adelaide for Fringe.

Josh: Oh, there's a Fringe Festival?

Tommy: It is the Fringe Festival.

Josh: Is it?

Tommy: That's like the main one is in Adelaide.

Josh: This is one other. Have either of you watched anime before? Thoughts? No, no, I'm not a big—

Tommy: I look like an anime guy.

Josh: You do. What is it, the glasses? It's, uh, yeah, never been into it. Weird. I mean, it's like a subculture.

Tommy: Cartoons in general, not really.

Josh: No, I would love to though.

Tommy: I think that there's something in being able to unwind. I've gone into the Calm app.

Josh: What's Calm app?

Tommy: You know what, the Calm app.

Josh: Oh, sorry, the Calm app.

Tommy: What's Calm app?

Josh: I said, yeah, you heard Calm app. The Calm app. Are you looking at the car map?

Tommy: Calm app.

Josh: Calm.

Tommy: Have you, have you paid for any of the bits?

Josh: Uh, for what?

Tommy: I've got the one, I've got a Stephen Fry storey about lavender, I think.

Josh: No, I don't, I haven't, I don't even have the Calm app.

Tommy: What do you use? Headspace?

Josh: No, Waking Up by Sam Harris.

Tommy: What does Amy use?

Josh: Does she use Headspace?

Tommy: Headspace.

Josh: Okay, so yeah, there's a meditation. Is that a meditation app?

Tommy: Yeah, it's a meditation app, but it's cool because it like has, um when you actually turn it on, yeah, it starts like straight away, um, it says take a deep breath, it starts playing like different, um, sounds and shit.

Josh: Do you pay for that?

Tommy: Uh, no, so this is free. So you've got a section where you click sleep and then you can put you to sleep, you have sleep stories. So the one at the moment, Stephen Fry talking about, um, he's telling a story, yeah, Lavender Fields. It got me right into lavender. I was thinking about it, like, it would be cool if I one day when I have a garden have some lavender. Yeah. And I was like, you know what, it grows well, you don't need—

Josh: it doesn't need too much attention.

Tommy: I literally had a, uh, just a moment where I'm like, why am I so scared of bees?

Josh: Why are you so scared of bees?

Tommy: I don't know, getting stung. But I was like, I was actually like, you know what, next time I see a bee, I'm just gonna be chill about it.

Josh: With the amount of, uh, fear in people, unless you've got A severe allergy. Yeah, and you'll die if you have a bee. I pushed a kid into a pool because he had a bee on his head and he—

Tommy: How old were you?

Josh: Uh, we were 7. All right, he, he was severely—

Tommy: You weren't 30 and he was 5, you just throw them?

Josh: He was severely allergic to bees, so I did him a solid. But with the amount of people being scared by them and how many, like, how often you've actually been bitten—

Tommy: I feel like I need to get stung as an adult.

Josh: We just pack on this garbage. My son, he's like, loves spiders. He's got no idea what they do, but he loves them.

Tommy: I got bitten by a whitetail. Did you? Yeah, gave me asthma. It's not good. Yeah, it's a Daily Talk Show. Hi@thedailytalkshow.com if you want to send us an email. Have a great rest of your Wednesday. Yeah, we'll see you tomorrow.

Josh: See you guys.

Tommy: Catch ya.