#272 – The Pain Of Collaborating/
- January 30, 2019
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show we discuss:
Living with bad breath
Feeding dogs cooked bones
Josh is now showering twice a day and he’s getting results
Pets with big personalities
Another blow-up at Big Media Company
The pain of collaborating on creative projects
Secretly listening to people through FaceTime
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It's a daily Talk Show Episode 272 Are you feeling that
anxiety around having eaten something? And that smell?
I just have more with coffee?
I do. I just that I might have coffee breath.
Is that what you're talking about? Yeah,
well, we just ate some beef that you'd prepared. Chef Josh but a lot of flavor. So I'm feeling like it was a garlic and not only is
I think there was an onion that's what you're telling you're tasting raw onion.
That's it says I sprinkled
the raw onion on it. It does.
People with bad breath. Did I know.
I've never been close enough to some with bad breath to tell them like I've never like as in the relationship has. You haven't cared enough about? Yes, but there are some people that I know that it's just shocking. I remember a few names from
primary school. I won't say them now. But yet distinctly. They had bad breath. And it was always a thing where it's like,
people give each other shit back in the day. It's the brushing of the tongue, isn't it?
Well, this is the thing.
I mean that would you brush your tongue? No, I don't think I have bad breath. Would you tell me if I had bad breath? No, you wouldn't
think so. It would have to be in some form of argument. Yeah,
just your fucking breath stinks.
Where did that come from? Oh, that's pretty
low, give you know you have bad breath and you can't do anything about it. Or you can't afford this is what you can afford.
your teeth are rotten, and you you know, have a rotten teeth, therefore, that's why my breath smells and I can't afford it. And this isn't about you. This is the people that I mean there's something in it when there's I'm sure that you can do
and even if you have little stubs his teeth. I'm sure you could take them claim it so I think a lot of the bacteria is on the tongue,
man personal hygiene. For some people it's just not on their radar.
Since we're watching the that video I was telling you about from that storm and Dude, I am the guy that that doesn't wash his clothes. He just washes himself. I've been doing like every of my house. pimples on the back of my head way less now because every I am sharing twice a day. Okay. And so I reckon because I sweat heaps. I think the last one that I do at the end of the day helps a lot. It's a cold shower that I do. Yeah,
that's good, I think yeah, I mean, if you exercise or you're in a sweaty climate like we are right now, you should probably if you are fortunate enough to be
able to shell a couple of times a day do you think on the dental hygiene stuff? How would you keep it so we're looking after a dog at the moment Archie? How would you keep his breath smelling fresh?
Some dogs have like if they get a my brother. I was at his place on the weekend. He's like, going to get get the Jesse's got something coordinate teeth and she it sticks like little pieces of stick caught in which makes her breath just go rancid really expanding every couple of days. Yeah, I think this is a if you're would
like wet wood when conspiracy Jimmy cracked it because we went out Wouldn't it smelt like
she said the word in the mouth is not good from the steak. Yeah, it starts smelling bad but man some dogs I know the dog you're talking about? Well, we tried to fix No fixing that I
gave the dog I'm looking after a bone last night from the lamb he allowed to do that.
No, I don't think you meant to give dogs cooked bones because he
had the whole thing as in the bone
yeah yeah you definitely just proved my proved my
because I went out I like I'm like here you go Archie and he was like a Deanna he
ate the whole thing. Do you reckon he's gonna be in pain tonight when he does it?
Hopefully not mine. my mates dead Phillies, jack Russell. Everything. The thing was just a little just a little bullet. Robbie's been
on. Never Never my top peak
Some of them but this one Maxie boy is you know an animal. And if you've got an animal home, I'm sure you can relate personality. Yeah, they just my dog that I grew up with. His name was Robbie. He was 101 Dalmatians. It was spotted Dalmatians Dalmatians
701 biddies the amount of dogs was that Oh yeah, the film 101 was the dealt with the what was the premise of that story? I can't remember hundred one Dalmatians was the travails of Allah Turville novella.
I know you may I, maybe we lend me a few stories. Now. Keep going, though. Koala. Deauville. Maybe that was it. So, yeah,
we had a dog And we got him when we were. Well, I got him in my life.
Allah on Deauville crew, Allah Cruella de fictional character.
Written well known woman Yeah, is a fictional character created by English author, dodi Smith as the main antagonist of her 1956 novel The Hundred and One damage.
And I love that that we had that we had one that was real novel, but Robbie, he's just his personality was so, so lovely. And we were best mates. He died when I was 16 or 16 and 17. And he went out fighting we hadn't put down and the vet came over to euthanize him euthanize sticks, he sticks the thing in his leg. And I'm they're just so devoted, and he just turns his head. Nearly choose this guy's arm off.
Fucking dying. Yeah,
but he went out fighting.
Well, we've got Kim lamb on the show tomorrow. Who knows heaps about killing animals? Because she's a veterinarian. Yeah, so there'll be we can ask her because I did say the like a while ago about the platypus. How you kill a platypus?
Well, you saying about a book
that that she's working on? Yeah, working on a
coffee table book that explores how animals how you need to kill them.
But like in a uniform illustration type of
it's a great idea. All right, it but you butchered one of her. Yeah, we'll get a clear it out on the show. That's tomorrow.
Today, we're actually doing it lines. It's currently 315. I think I've got a meeting for 30 days. It's fine.
The Mr. 97 isn't here today. He's been filming all of them. We sent him home. Yeah,
it's hot. It's another 34 degree day. So he's had a hot day. Yeah.
Well, he came in at what nine o'clock ready to do the show. Yeah, you and I had a blowout.
Blow up blow up. Yeah.
sent him home.
And he was he was the the he wasn't involved in the blog. 100% of casualties.
Well, with the blow up stem from and I end feedback from Jimmy conspiracy. Jimmy was that he doesn't like us talking about our problems on the show on the show. Okay. But I think the problem that we had,
he walked past before and said,
Stop fighting. Yeah. Like this, like I said, is that from childhood that
So what he doesn't like it? Yeah, he was saying that he was tuning out when we talk about our problems. Yeah,
think this has this is very much in tune with creators, people who were in any creative endeavor, or even business or I guess life, we're talking about how to collaborate. Right now we're having a conversation, you could say this is a collaboration, we haven't really talked about what we're going to be talking about. Yeah, what the rules that we've just, it's very loose, we don't edit it. So we've taken a lot of the barriers away from the collaboration
that we've started to do. We're going to be doing original short form double documentary. Yeah.
And in, like, in theory, it's like, get together with you might and make a video together. But I kind of did this sort of wrote out looks a bit this was the host argument, by the way.
It's me writing out trying to see where we aren't on the same page, or just that we've just, we are two different people with two different views of approaching things situations in the world. So I wrote as a as a question what needs to be decided on to collaborate? And so this is a whole bunch of thoughts and areas to think of before you collaborate? Because people could be watching going, Yeah, you guys already do collaborate?
We it's in a certain arena. So then when you go outside, that it completely changes. So when it comes to the video, I was like, hey, I want to, I think I want I want us to do a video today.
I was thinking about this. And you're like, I don't? Yeah,
I was always and what we've worked out was my auto know was, do you and are at some questions here.
does everything have to be mutual? Which is a key thing when you're collaborating? Do you both need to mutually agree upon an idea? What do
we need to have a leader don't you?
Well, this is the thing I think where we went wrong is it's a different, like, if we outline the roles within a business or within some kind of creative endeavor, it makes sense now, after post blow up, to have a leader, even when you are in a partnership, yeah,
in four different areas. change depending on I don't want to be leading all the time. And the other thing too, is, I don't want to, it's the pushback like I, the thing that I struggle with is like you being an employee, you get told no a bunch of times, and then you go out and go fuck it, I'm going to work for myself. And then you do that. And then a business partnership is sort of like having two people with with equal say, yeah,
and so maybe that's where it's like, you can go wrong. If you both think you need equal save for the video. Yeah, like,
I feel like part of it, too, is what what reaction Could I have to this right now? So like, I think if you come up with an idea, I need to try and like knowing the fact that we have enough negativity in our own minds about our ideas. lizard brain, yeah, that we probably need to, we don't need another fucking negative reason why it's not going to work.
The dude from what's a book I'm reading, work doesn't have to be crazy. Yeah.
37 signals. That's the base camp
base camp. So the guys from base camp have a rule where someone spends time thinking about an idea. And they have been presented the idea, no one's actually allowed to say anything about the idea. They can take notes, and they reconvene A day later a week later, to then
basically outline what they were thinking about it because now you've thought about, what are the How would you feel? How would
you feel about going through that process of you doing an idea? Do you think there would be an anxiety of seeing me writing down like, I just can't imagine me being smug Fuck,
all, right, maybe I don't even know. It's like, take that off the table. Because I get that someone be like,
I see what you're doing that. But maybe it's like pitching your idea to sort of because you need
to like in real kitchen. This is my problem. I don't wanna have to pitch, I just want to fucking make the thing either I think
this way, collaborating with somebody else or within the team, within a business, there has to be some lifting to collaborate. I've thought about this more than you. Here it is. Here's the painting. And now let's go and do it. Or the alternative is, now I'm literally just going to run my own show here. And you're along for the ride.
We just you think like a director in a film? What sort of collaboration are they doing?
No, I think they taking charge. They're telling people what to do. They're telling the cinematographer, the DP, or they're saying the shot to look like this, you needed make it exactly how I want it to look, he and they've got whether it be they've written the script. So they've some directors don't write the script, some directors do their writer directors. So if they're writing directed, they've got they've taken it from very early days to, you know, actually making this thing a reality.
So how do you take the collaboration? Like, because that's all fine, there's going to be issues with collaboration. But how do we? How do we get to a point where it will probably had half a dozen times in the last like six months or whatever, where it's like, knocked out and tied an argument in the morning has knocked out an entire day? How do you stop that from happening? Do you think?
Well, I think the like I hadn't thought about collaboration this deep, ever. And I hadn't had to consider I've made 100 videos over time. And I hadn't had to consider someone else or what they thought about what I'm making,
because it sort of the selfish means just like I don't want to fuck and have to I just want to make the thing. Yeah. And the thing is, we didn't make like, we've walked away today without making anything.
And Mason hope you made it. I'm sorry. Yeah,
Mr. 97. He had a dental appointment. And it did. And
it's not because he has bad breath. And we're trying to get
right now I think. But is there some level of not sacrifice which are right here? compromise when collaborating so we're in a business we're both wanting to do X y&z I might not want to actually do why. And you,
NY but how do you work out the boundaries?
Well, I think if the compromise,
you're a strong person in terms of what you want to do, and not doing much outside of what you want to do, and so am I,
as I but I think that it's like, I'll do anything as long as you can convince me.
I don't do shit I don't want to do
and so this the thought is, then how do you collaborate on mine? If collaboration of what we've determined collaboration is someone leads? How do you then support somebody in a collaborative collaborative moment?
Well, it depends if you need me to. It's
I guess, what? Does it come with a caveat?
Or? No, I think it just, it's a what, what is the role of the other person? So you got the leader? Then what is the role of the other person? I don't think it's necessarily to put on more ideas, and say, all we could we could do this.
Maybe. So maybe those got the base camp idea is in a business where we all need to be on this or this a big change that needs to happen. We're talking like, small video, you know, not being the exact it's very hard, like a wonder, some of the bigger project. I don't know enough about people who have collaborated. Yeah. So this is why we're sort of in uncharted water for both of us, because we haven't done a great deal of collaboration.
So if I was to lead on that project, and said, Hey, I want to do this video on this thing. Yeah,
it changes in approach, because if I thought that I'm coming to it with great way, creating something equally, but maybe I had it completely wrong about what a collaboration is that
is that because because you can collaborate with not being equal, you could collaborate and still, I worry that the alternative, these are your leading, so just fucking do whatever you say,
No, I don't act like that
that that just naturally happens. So how do you have collaboration where there's still that level of honesty? Yeah,
I think it's the conversation and actually working out the difference and not sort of, if you maybe you collaborate collaborating, you're clashing. Because there's someone who's strong with your idea. And you're like, I'm just fucking doing it. Because he says, like, it's actually easier for me to cope with life by saying yes. And so I think if it's, I'd need to come into it was like, great, you've got this concept. I know you, you've got to, you know, you've got a great mind, you can nail in if any idea you put your mind to. So I'm your set of hands. How do I make this the best version for you? Do I hold the camera now, you're gonna fucking set that up your anxiety, he could be around presenting this piece to camera where you're going to focus on the script. And I'm just I've got you. Okay, I've got the fact that I know the camera settings are all good. And so then that's where I'm like, I'm actually a pair of hands as changing status.
100%. If you think about it, this, if you're from traditional media, I guess you're on camera talent, again, do the thing. versus this is you sort of dropping in different roles that requires you to just shutting down shutting up. I'm not good at shutting up. Like, even when I was interning. When I was young. I was like, I'll tell
what is that? Did you tell I know, you're canceling an old dude about how Yeah, like, maybe this Job's not for you. Yeah,
I was the internal saying that. But I also remember being on a short film. And it turns out that the reason they got me on it was a guy who was on. He was an Australian show called cop shop, back in the day, and he was an actor, turned director. So it was an actor on that show. Yeah. And he was directing the short film. And I found a call out somewhere about now we need the student to help us on this film. And it turns out the reason they did it was because they wanted
student permits access to student permits for locations. So they got me involved. So I could say could do that. The thing was, they gave me like a sort of a decent title, like assistant director, and so on, Assistant Director for people who don't know within film and TV, it's like the organizer, or whatever they'll be, they're not actually directing the same they're getting, there might be sorting out location staff or getting talent organized. But I just took it upon myself to provide feedback on so yeah, maybe you could do like just assisting in provide, just remember afterwards being like, I maybe read it wrong. So you've been a self proclaimed,
That's what you said to me. And just fucking annoying, right? Because I tell you that. So then anytime there's an argument you like, or you're just not good at collaborating? No, no, I've said you said that.
I make sure that I say that what I'm actually thinking is, maybe I'm not. And and there is like personality traits where you felt you can follow instructions. I was talking over the weekend with somebody about it was about being an employee and your personality traits. And it's like, Do you follow instructions? Do you work? Well, with the team? It's like this questionnaire that you can have hintsa that tells you this, but I don't know, I think what we're talking about is two people that are of the similar type where it's like, I've made my own stuff and done it my way. And so it's not
that you don't get super nasty, maybe I think I get like, I have, like a only approach to these things. Yeah,
I think and then is it? Well, I guess the, the worry about doing that approach, a great player, I worry about that approach is that you will take anything, really to heart If because it's challenging you as this whole person. So if I ever say if I challenge an idea of yours, which sometimes maybe they need to be you challenge mine is, but part
of it is like I'm saying it to provoke something. Yeah, it's like I'm saying,
If I say it to provoke, it's like, don't ask the question, you potentially then those guys from base camp, also say, like bosses that come in and ask about a project, if you're not ready to hear the answer, which is, it's not going to be done. When the two weeks, maybe hold off asking the question. And so if you're not for the answers of the question, it's like, maybe there's a pre thought of don't ask the first. So how much is honesty? Good, though, like he's, like,
sometimes I'm feeling these things. It's like, sometimes you think real negative stuff about people that we're working with that we're just fucking over
this? Do you need to talk about your compromise is what I wrote, which is a level of honesty, because maybe you hold back what you're actually compromising on? Because it's not beneficial for me to tell you. I'm not actually that into that part of it, or how you do it. Yeah, I know you are. So I'm actually compromising the output based on my thinking. But I don't think I think, yeah, this is where I think it literally is, if you collaborating with somebody on a video, someone lead the project. And so that, like,
how do you enter into that? Because otherwise, it would just be one person constantly puts their hand up?
Oh, no, I think you I think for like, there's a schedule. I mean, we're in a different boat, where we've got business together. And we've got time across a week doesn't make sense for one person just to be making videos. It's like, I'm actually your hand helper for the day, and you're my handheld, but for the next day,
do you find I get a lot of energy from the idea of throwing everything in?
As in just done? Yeah.
Because I'm like, okay, it's an opportunity to, to rebuild.
My working now,
I actually worry that the hard, the hard bit, is the good bit. The What does that mean? The relationship I've got with my wife that I've built over five, we've never been together five years, we've been through a lot up and down. And I, but I have never thought about I want to end this.
So how do you know though? Like, when is someone in a relationship where they're like, actually, fact I
didn't know. This is a hard thing. I for me, I feel it. I know it. Deep down. there's a there's a thought there that I just can't shake. But I've managed to work out whether that's just stimulated by my noise for the fact that she doesn't pick her underwear up. That's actually me. That was here and I
But when is it? When do we like if we're seeking a happy life? If we want a happy life, if you're annoying the shit out of me four days a week for
three weeks, which is maybe two days or one day, like a
every second day? Yeah, there's something annoying happens. How many times? Do we do that before? It's the same with you? Like I annoy the fuck out of you all the time. But you seem to be like how that's just a part of doing business?
Well, I say it is part of the big picture. Because if the big picture is a commitment to it, yeah. We've been we've had this had this podcast for only a year. Yeah, we've had the business for like operating for only six months. And like I said, sticking it shit. Like they could be a friction point for two years with some businesses. I just recognize the reality is
that as you know, the whole thing of, you know, the opposite could also be true. Yeah. I part of it is. So I can go from two levels of thinking. This is the hard bit now. It's going to get easier. Yeah. Right. It's like, we're building staff. So it gets easier. The other option is, we're in the honeymoon phase, and we're already fucking having fights on our honeymoon.
That's a reality for a lot of people out there.
They should have a fight on your honeymoon. I think
he's traveling. And yeah, definitely. But I've got the best relationship with Amy. Yeah. And but we still. Yeah.
And so that's what I'm trying to understand. It's like,
this is this is the health of the fights and stuff we have is because we're honest. But it's also the
the pain. I think
it's like, I don't know, I think it's in I think we can struct these scenarios. And that's why I, I tend to not just walk away from things straightaway, because I know I could construct a scenario if I start thinking about what I could do as a solo creator, but it's like not,
I think you don't think you don't ever do that?
Because I think it's productive I actually don't think is probably a productive and I'm also not not listening to myself,
but don't think it's potentially, I don't want to ever feel like I'm trapped. Yeah, so I like to know that even if everything's fucking amazing. What's that noise? Did you hear that? Was that just the chairs?
bit hot? The? Yeah,
like I feel it fraying to know that anytime I can quit this or quit that or do that. And then yeah, I intervene. Like I have to exit out unlike almost, I'm resigning from this. I'm finishing up, I'm done. And now I'm like, Okay, what happens if I reframe this, and I do this again, and I add a bit in and I do this,
what happens with the hard work you put in like, I think it's life, if you got a bad relationship with your father, it's going to require a fuck load of work to get it to a good place. Does that mean throw the towel because the hard works, there doesn't mean that you made a good relationship with your dad, or maybe if you think you need one. And so this is the thing where creative jobs, whether you're a freelancer, like graphic designer, video person, the business model is not like it's a weed business model. It's not, we're in this confusing time where it's not take this physical product. For a lot of people nowadays, it's not as old school, we
make money from our clients stuff, doing video production for clients, the end of the day, if we can be doing a regional staff, that doesn't require that client interaction, that'd be awesome. But it feels like we're potentially two to three years. And during that poem, so he's the he's the reality of that struggle to to see it two to three years down the track. And you start thinking about what that actually is now, when the reality is different. So which will do you live in the reality of now or the reality of what it will be like if you make it there? What What, what what scares me is, this is our reaction to a video. This is how much like we blow up over a video when a few hundred people might see the video. I don't think what happened yet, but no big warning. If, if we're like 100,000 people are going to say this all of a sudden, that's going to be completely heightened
when we spoke to him at the villa in Sydney when we were up there. And was like, what's changed if since we last saw you nearly like 700,000 subscribers? He said not much. So this is where we we blew the thinking of
Right? Everything will be different. It's like finance, though.
If you become rich, if you're an asshole, you just become a bigger asshole. Yeah.
But think I get what you're saying. So
if I'm neurotic over a small audience of you know, 20,000 people listening
to me before you make every piece of video, like it's going to be the best thing it's going to be it has to be better than every other piece that you've made. I made it. It's I
think the thing is, I think that it's, it's aiming for progression. In this video that I've made, how have I progressed. And so if when we're doing especially work for clients, sometimes we don't have all the context to be able to do that. And so the pushback that I have is when it's like I need more info, and to be able to make this the best thing possible. Or if you're looking at example, and say I love this example that you've done Josh and then they're like, Okay, why don't you do this video, but we, this is our process. It's like, Well, no, the reason why it was good is because I got to do X, Y and Zed
visit I wrote his structure, flexibility. Hello, how do you have structure but also flexibility? It's, it's fucking hard. And some of these pain points in the creative space could be fixed by structure, but then they also eliminate there's a limitation to the
project. How do we not add water like throw water onto a creative fire that we have as individuals? Yeah,
I mean, that was the solution for those base camp guys. They thought by they don't want people criticizing or saying pointing out any floor until they've gone out, gone away. thought about it as a full concept.
I remember doing some corporate training like that was like the four hat thinking, you know?
How you know Hayden Wilson, shout out to her. He's got that dude who wrote that book. I really that's for thinking hats. He's old school, old codger who's genius. Yeah, the.
But I also think that it could be a pain in the ass doing that shit. Like, I can say that that's a pain
in the ass if you just want to get going. And you don't want to hear
from anyone not even that just like the we've worked with each other long enough that we understand the trigger points. And so there's a little bit of gritting of the teeth from both ends when you're saying that.
I think I don't think you've worked with somebody long enough until you've worked on this specific way of doing it. Like we're making our own videos and you know, you will be made your mind. So that is why when I'm making my own, you're making your own. There's no, you'd be in some of my videos, but you will know what's going on. And you will need to ask because the investments out there. I think that's when it's like, Hey, could you come together? And let's let's start talking about ideas. What
are we going on? And you would have text messages. Be Mac? The thing is, you wouldn't say that if you look at the as individuals when we're making stuff, you would have probably never said Should I do don't do that now. And so that's probably feedback
that you re recorded the whole video the
it was low energy, you came back and smashed the digital minimalist. It's now any biggest videos not saying that I had anything to do with that. How you doing, potentially to daily talk show, right? Hi, the daily talk show.com What do you reckon? Yeah,
collaborating with people, if it hasn't been a pain point for you, even if you haven't verbally told the other person that it's been a pain point. But maybe you felt the friction. Because I think that's all he sees friction. In a collaborative process. You have
any relationship, I'm sure there's moments where Brady's like, it'd be so much easier if I just got to cook for myself or worry about myself. So she dumps you. Yeah,
it Look. It's purely just about the meal.
Its way over complicating out over eight on mine. Hi, the daily talk show.com if you want to send us an email to beginning of week on anything that we really don't think do you know what I wanted to mention before we go Did you hear about this face time?
No. banging on about what
is the FaceTime bug. You can face it. So this happened yesterday or day before? Where you would FaceTime someone. And then while while your face harming them, you could add yourself to the face time, right so imagine Josh Janssen is calling Tony jacket I and then I add myself I add Josh Janssen in context to the call. Okay, what it would do was it would turn on your microphone on your face time, so I could hear everything.
You can hear yourself.
No, no, no. I could hear you hadn't answered the court to ringing wallets ringing I can hear your audio.
That's fucking sick. Yeah, so they say you get the
fucking Josh Yeah, you already get that. But imagine if I made hell. I say
if someone had it on silent, they didn't even know that. I could do FaceTime calls. But Apple have turned off group FaceTime, really until I that
was it was like 20 or 50 people on a face of 38. Nine.
Can we just say That's right. Hang on. Yeah,
it was a big number. I remember talking to us about that. Fuck, I wonder if if that's only around for
32 participants? Did anyone have a bad? Yeah, I wonder what that is?
Especially work people will be like, I can't be fucked up in this meeting. Hey, boss.
I mean, you'd have to your boss would have to be pretty psychopathic, to do that to them. Because it's requiring them to do that. Yeah. Anyway, we continue the strike. We haven't missed a shower. It's been 272 72.
He only says that because he was like maybe we just missed today. If I can chat, not missing on episode, we need a break the glass. So if we just want to break
It is annoying. We have to but doing it daily requires a level of emotional responsibility to be able to we couldn't do it straight afterwards. Because although it's
one of Amy's most, she finds it the most annoying but also his
commands me forward, which is having a blow up, but then also be able to just fucking pull it right down. But not even like, I don't think I have. I'm not like a mental case where I might turn it off. I'm gonna bring it all out later. I literally can just Okay, let's fucking let's just, let's just think about that. Like, I literally can do that. So you could be like, swearing at each other in the car. Yeah. Yeah,
turn off it. Hey, everyone.
Well, not to that extent, but differently. Just like if I was at 110. emotionally. Yeah, I could pull it right down to 40. Okay, and get on with it. Because I but then uh, you're going to bring it up back is the risk that have you got all this unpopulated? No, I think you're gonna bring in what are you feeling good
I think it is good. Yeah.
Anything else we need to talk about? Oh,
no, I remember having blow ups with my co hosts, in shepherded on it. Oh, no.
ever get grew up
should have moved to a on a but we because you're not friends really. You know, like you've just met each other really. So you're in this sort of working relationship? We've been at each other affair or silent? And then come back, turn the mics on. And it's like, a debate if I can put on a shot.
What is the so you know, my bit of not being very good at collaborating? Yeah. So she, what is your what was? What's been the common feedback that you've received over the years about what you need to improve on?
And within what
I creatively, just like it, say within that, like, what was the fights normally about? With her on the radio?
God, I can't remember, honestly. And, yeah,
I cannot remember. What was the good end to the show? When he put me on the spot here. He was, like, was it was it? You're talking over me?
Now? Say, yeah, it wasn't that. I can't remember.
Watching in a new in my old co host, let me know. Yeah.
what I said to you was, I don't know if I'm actually the greatest of collaborators to because I had hadn't made the distinction that there is one sort of later and, and not and so maybe I didn't put my foot down enough and not put a foot down. Speak up. Very early days of in radio, I definitely didn't, because I was scrambling trying to understand what the fuck I'm doing. And so there was a point where I started putting my foot down in reference to, like, I want to say in this shit and, and there was it cause friction. Have you ever identified triggers where you got I feel like brain I'm more likely to fight if she's driving and I'm in the passenger seat. I think I get bored. Food, for sure. Not eating. I think that's a lot of relationships.
But I can I can sort of relate to that I sort of go to water actually enjoy the expression. I enjoy the Zika. But
I know you fought I've literally gone out. It's only until I've eaten to have the realizations like, Whoa, I just get on a roll. And then I'm in I'm down. I'm into this conversation. I can't stop talking. Yes, I can can
be good. Like, I feel like I got to a point in my life where I may have gotten better with all this stuff. But I think the collaboration stuff is it challenged its hundred a year ago is that thing I was fuckin so then. Yeah.
They're fucking and the what is that book called The one of I know, I know nonviolent communication.
I think there's so much stuff in the in your head, and in my head when we're approaching something because you've only got your world and your life experience and previous experience to deal with and make decisions based on all of that information. And that's where if people have opposing views on collaborating, it's going to be friction. And so then it's like meeting the middle.
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