#771 – Peter Shepherd And The Email Blow Up/
- June 25, 2020
Peter Shepherd (AKA Tall Gronk) is back in the studio. We chat growing up with no pets, being naughty as a kid, using a whiteboard at the psychologist, getting organised in Notion and the big email blow up with Producer Jess.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
– Creating a new Instagram handle
– Pete’s business
– Growing up with pets
– Gold fish or horses as pets
– Smoking horse hair
– Josh nearly got a pet lamb
– Pete’s parents were both teachers
– Going to a school where you parent teaches
– Pete getting in trouble at school and The Magic Blue Table
– Was Pete cool in school?
– When Pete got glasses
– How far away is The Sun?
– Surfing and Bodyboarding
– Status games in schools
– The Reach Foundation
– Going to a Psychologist verses a Coach
– Pete setting up Notion
– The Mac app called Biscuit
– Pete’s most used emojis
– Josh’s text messaging style
– Producer Jess is annoying Josh with her long emails
– Josh’s first email to Pete 2 years ago
– Doing a TL;DR in emails
– Jess thinks we’re using too much tech
– Having an emotional response to long email
– We need a printer
– Pete has started taking phone calls
– We’re all doing our best and 360 feedback
– WHOOP wristbands
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its toll gronk Welcome to the show, buddy. Thanks for having me. Good to be here. I love seeing you I feel like this is a good time. We've got you in because we want you to coach me out of a dark hole I know some lost my Instagram face.
You ready? You want
our session? I don't think you wanted to talk about it
was he say he's coaching me already? This is good. He's good. Now I think I want to talk about
Okay, I'm three coffees in today.
Say you you've fed up with my
erratic line of questioning to stop. Like I've gone pasta Radek and now I'm like a little bit useless
now. That's right now we don't need to catch me out of it still got no, I would like to I would like to add to this episode, walk away with a handle on a new Instagram account
like that. I mean, that's what your mind starts going. I actually nearly went completely against Josh Janssen. And on Instagram he was trying I was going to change it to be a persona so being like the who would you be the creative guy? No, no that would be taken surely. Yeah,
I'm pretty sure I did one that was like really silly. Where I thought like you know, fuck it I'm just gonna do something that's again I love toast. That's that's an RJ username.
Well surely like if someone has I love toast that's a solid
what's the thought behind that though? Like what what what's it for fuel eating coach now?
I wanted to know I think it's got something to do with no it's just like you know being more like maybe being a persona so you can be a little bit more protected. Yeah, you were to meet a tweeter for a
yeah. What else way?
You've had a few. I was to meet a Peter and then I got told that was too confusing because my Twitter was to meet a tweeter. So I changed it to to meet a tweeter. I'm now human Periscope, but I went down the opposite rabbit hole the other day of like, what if I just went to pay to ship it? It's a footwear isn't it but it's it's not like you got to be like Ross I'm sorry for leather on lawns differently that stuff different
what what's your company name? Oh you're
well it's like the legal trading name is like you know Pete Shepherd consulting PT while I do but
he's gonna he's gonna profit from
but it's I just go on to human periscope is the leak not the legal name but the brand name that I use do you say it is a business?
Yeah and it is a company it's a business but like sorry the branding you because you do you have a personal Instagram account or it's just the business
it's well it's kind of both meshed into one I like don't have necessarily clear delineation between a brand account versus people human being I'm just that's all just kind of
Miss Judge as the business Josh Janssen on
the Josh Janssen Productions trust I've got the Tommy jacket family trust me go. Yeah.
Mine's called p j. s, which are my initials but it's spelled p a. j A Why? AWS because I have no idea I just thought that would be like funny to do when I was a kid.
I named my cat my cat but spelled MKT.
Did you really? Yeah. That's his noxious. Yeah,
he sent me out. So like, my mom and dad, look after my cat.
To name Did you have any pets growing up? Never. Not really. a psychopath,
my mom. What's going on? My mom had the story that she told us which I think is true is that she was like one of those people that's allergic to all the fur. So no dogs, no cats.
Nice, pretty fit, and we had to leave her. You know, take her on FaceTime.
We had two options go fish or a horse and we weren't obviously a lot of horse because we didn't have a big enough property.
That was an option that
was like the only kind of fur or hair or this was this I was told when I was like I was a horse would be okay, but like we're not gonna get a horse so you could have a goal for the lamb. My brother and sister had goldfish. And I lasted about a week. I never had. I've never had a pet
they I mean, they had a horse looking
man. Do you remember hearing the
it was like a rumour? Or a? Why old wives tale? Is that the head like what this I am? If you smoked horsehair, you could die. Excuse me.
Yeah, cuz it was like we used to roll we used to roll these like, like Bakkies. We used to call them that were like 10 by like Bach that was rolled up. And he'd smoke this like, silly with smoking. Where's the water
was like if you're gathering stuff and you mentioned don't get any horse don't get a horse here cigarette general discussion. What is the worst thing to smoke now? But someone just started spreading that. It's probably a parent. They're like, yeah, it's a good Ruby bullshit story like your mom if she's at Normally no idea if she's allergic to this because it is like you wanting a horse isn't gonna happen rock she said didn't
really got a lamb actually nearly got one a lamb Really? Yeah, we were on a quarter acre.
Oh, that's right. And we
submit we had a lamb at school named Frankie, Frankie and Frankie would like B, what do you call it when they're sort of like, not allowed with the other like a run free range? No. Not like it got rejected. Oh, by the parents. Yeah. Anyway said Well, yeah, so we looked after Frankie in the classroom. Your parents were teachers. Yeah, they still teaching or now they're both retired now you go to the school that they taught at
not originally but then my dad in my last three years my dad came to the school that I was a student at. Certainly he sat me down. I can have a dinner or not me mom and dad. He's like I got to talk to you about something else. I got the horse It's
at he said, I've gone off. I've been offered a job because he was driving to Milan, which is half an hour away. Yeah. And he basically asked for my permission, would you be comfortable? Would you be okay? Do you want to change schools to want me to say no? And I was like, okay, you're welcome to come. He was the assistant principal. Yeah. And
I didn't really have an issue with it. My friend's dad was the principal of the school. He was at this, there is a lot of pressure on the students like if, especially if they're not locked. Yeah, like you dad's lockable guy.
Well, he's, he's lockable, too. He's pretty cruisy relaxed, lockable kind of guy. But the people that so he was like, he was the guy you want to go to if he got in trouble. So if he went to the principal, the principal's bit like a bit of a hoarder, so yeah, I'll just go to Johnny ship and have a conversation with him. It'd be fun. Yeah, so I got a cool
teacher. He was kind of the cool teacher. They called him Johnny ship. Really ship wherever you like, you
know, if you're a naughty student, you don't call people Mr. Shepherd or Johnny Shetler first. Let's see. I like that. Johnny Shep was the guy that you want us to get sent to? Because he was always like, now you're on.
And so what was his? So teachers have specialties and then go into the whole leadership thing. Yeah, maths and science was his go to? Yeah. How are you with math? I loved it. absolutely loved it. I was a bit lucky I
Matt Sorry, my mom who was English and literature, and right into that and taught that and then my dad who was math and science, so I feel like I lucked out because I had a resource for both. But I still love math.
What's the view on the education system at the moment?
I haven't actually asked them that specific question. Can you
also ask them if the story about allergies is
the horse thing if you listen? Yeah, play that sort of honestly. What about a pony? And pony seems like a
mini go pass and killed her and they do pony rides at the moment.
Did you ever get hundreds of different from miniature horses? Either? Yeah, ones like a I mean a Be careful. Well, you it's It's like a
what is a Shetland pony?
pony isn't isn't a pony a different species? It's like within the horse family.
Have we got 997
I am fucking 97 is gurgling just like I am the main distinct between the distinction between ponies and horses is height. A horse is usually considered to be an equine that's at least 14.2 hands. Why they get in handy with the horses? What? For some other measure? Yeah, hand in hand for about feet 10 inches tall. A pony on the other hand is fate. How many apone so how many for about four feet? 10 inches sorry, acid 10 inches. A pony on the other hand, pun totally intended. Yes. editorialising. Seriously?
jagged. So there
is an equine less than 14.2 hands. Okay, so this is that sports horse verse pony. So basically, I'm a party. Your horse pit. Okay,
Dolly, I want to know peg, did you ever get in trouble in school? Yeah, what was the worst trouble you ever got into
I the worst trouble I ever got into. I mean, I was a I was sort of the the kid that wouldn't shut up in class, to the point where I remember, I was like grade three. I was like, just the distracted, I was distracting everybody. And my teacher, Mrs. Metcalf pulled me aside at the end of class one day and was like, rip, we're gonna have to sort this out. When you come in tomorrow, I want you to come and see me and we'll we'll fix this. You're, you're distracting everybody. And so I came in the next day. And there's this table set up in the corner, bright blue. Every other table was you know, your standard vanilla kind of boring looking table. And she said had a print on it the magic blue table and she said, Hey, this is your table, the magic Pluto, this is true story. And you're going to sit on it. And it'll mean that you will be quite productive, you know, and you'll get better grades and oh thought she told me the whole story. I was I mean I'm writing to this dumb. I was really I was bought into the story. And I sat at the magical table for weeks and like just shut up. Did my work got great grades? How old were you again? I think it was like grade three I've got a certificate my mom sent it to me the other day that's like from Mrs. Metcalf thanks for you know being cooperative with the magic blue table
hmm Did anyone else get to you on the magic
was like specific domain because I was that much of a pain in the ass I think Yeah.
We were talking the other day. Producer just was saying that she was more popular in high school like she sort of Oh, for primary school and then became really cool in high school. What was your experience? Like? I don't think I was ever really cool. I was uh, I sort of was on the fringe of we had the two groups that you know, they're on the fringe you got the really cool group now like the surface the everyone
says this smoking, taking, you know, taking drugs on weekends, drinking a lot partying, and that'll The girls are and then there was like, the second group was kind of my group and I was the odd one out because I was like, I was a bit of a nerd. I just want To do really well and try and get to Melbourne Uni, so I wouldn't say once you get for an entire school to remember. I think it was like 92.6 or 92.7 or something. Audio station wasn't quite 97 but it was it was raised high school. Got 40 something by the blue table paid off magic blue table. Yeah,
so I wasn't I wasn't I wasn't I wouldn't say I was a cool kid at all. chewy glasses, the whole life. Nice. no correlation between the coolness in this now I could not look at Josh cool guy. cool guy. You had glasses your whole life?
No, it was like a 11 I think I was at the back of the class because you know, that's a toughy. And then would was that a thing back? Then I just make that I think I was at the back of the class and all of a sudden I just couldn't read what was on the whiteboard. Like it was like, a couple of days. I remember specifically. Wow. So you went from Europe in 2020 vision wasn't overnight but it felt like I just remember the day specifically I was like that copyright gets. I was squinting
is it part of your brand now like getting laser surgery? Kinda like glasses? I think that look right. What do you think? What?
optometrist couple of years actually probably have it you
turns out you back in case it didn't happen lucky you could go back to
apparently I never can remember if I'm long all sorts of
issues long close short is far away. That's how I used to remember. So I'm sure did I do that?
It's very annoying what maniacs be like fiction and nonfiction. So nonfiction is the truth. It says yeah,
fiction is all made up. Yeah. Good. You know how many kilometres away the sun is? From the world? Absolutely. No idea. Have a guess?
700,000 kilometres, it has to be more than a
double plus some
really weigh more than 1.8.
What do you mean, my more than double 252
million Oh, nearly
100,000 You've lost your mind would be on fire. Yeah,
I don't know what ridiculous no that stuff isn't funny he learns a fact and now he's
have no idea we would be on fucking fire.
We don't know
Hang on. If we are experiencing global warming temperatures are going about 50 degrees in some areas and the moon and the sun is 152 million kilometres away. We would be burning
but the thing is I reckon you wouldn't be a good judge of knowing how far 153,000 kilometres versus 153 million I think million stop
projecting because we know your sense of distance is absolutely fine. I've actually got a good sense of does not have to tell you we did a whole piece on this. Remember when you were like talking about Derek's office and how far away your apartment is and and then we call Derek and you got it like I was like why dude. This is exactly exchange like now. Got it. Because you have a new live recording of the episode. It will be very hot. I wouldn't want to leave on earth with it. 70 700,000 because
I was yyy off obviously. Yeah.
So you actually went surfing like it you mentioned that was the surfing group. We weren't like, like it so as in the cool kids that were surfers Yeah. Did you have a skateboard? We you escaped. Now that was the cool kid thing to do. I couldn't skate for my life.
He left it to them did yeah.
So it was like it was like an inflection point. When you grew up down the coast. It's like you go you either like choose to start surfing or you like body board. And I was like I'm gonna body board because I can do tricks on a body board and I can't do anything on a surfboard. And like you look back at it now like What a loser. Why couldn't I just surf now I was like, like, I would be as good as you at surfing and I grew up at the coast, assuming that you reckon you'd be as good as mate. So you might be you'd be better than me.
Well, it's like people that get into luck. Cross sectionally which if you're if you're a it's pretty
if you're a professional lacrosse player Yeah, limited options here in Australia not really transferable is a skill is not Yeah,
what's the close it's hockey but then you're standing up and throwing there's a big there is a niche lacrosse community in Victoria.
Yeah, I've played a game of when I used to play footy there was a lacrosse field next door and that would play while we were playing footy. So this must be a league
I sort of like the idea of having like a stealing getting gear to get the stick stick and I also like ice mask. Isn't it like a fool fool? Yeah, I like the idea of sort of practising at home like I'm going up against a wall and you sort of throw the ball if you ever play it at school. Yeah, we did. A PE is hot up in a handball
still around. Different to demo somebody. We saw someone doing it all European. Oh, we're in July. We saw someone just hitting
a wall. No, that was a gamble. No, that's To square but yeah handball is an actual game where it's like it's almost like your
pain. It's called your pain handle. I think dodgeball flux soccer but with a you throw it.
Oh yeah, you know that one? Yeah. My uncle owns a sports centre and they had Yeah, they had a visit one of the games and dodgeball, but how like thinking about school and, and the cool you like the way you're describing is the groups and then you watch something like American Pie and you've got the jocks and then what I always remember when I come into encounter when I encounter a young, new 1011 fac you're a little little useless. Like that, but how important you think you are back then. And nothing changes. We get older. You're in your reality, but when you're looking at a year 12 and you're in year seven, you're like, Oh my god, this is so big. Yeah, yeah. t 12 we get to now 30 look back at year 12. And it's like you know nothing Yeah. Still now imagine looking back at 60 like, yeah, you knew nothing is 30
for you to be a motivational speaker at school?
Yeah, yeah, it's just
snippet. Do you remember the even giving it like, I guess it's the power of the human species were already at that age in categories and hierarchies and on social status it's like and wanting to be liked I think was the big one.
Yeah, that's like desire to fit in
Yeah. And belong and be like, did you ever reach what was right? So reach? They did it in our school. They actually did.
Yeah. And so Jules Lund was part of her. There's a bunch of people. Paul Kerry and Jim Stein started the rich foundation. And they were you know, helping young adolescent kids navigate and equip themselves with life skills and emotional intelligence and the classic story of jewels land, you know, Jim Stein's who went on to be jewels, as many tour and, and, you know, comes to see him in school in Georgia, the tall guy at the back, you know causing a ruckus, Jim, get up, get up stand out right now calls him out. Yeah, it makes him just fall apart in front of Billy's crying stuff because Betty but what he said was like, what you don't realise how powerful you are. And so he like built him up. He's like, look at you and what you're doing, you're uncomfortable, but it's like, what you possess is more than that. And so he saw a lot in jewels and, and then jewels was travelling around with him to do all these keynotes automatic just sort of followed fallen. Let's talk about mentors because I mean, I mean, I was chatting about just like, do you have a business mentor? And I was like, Fuck, we've got such great people in our world that I don't feel like I need a formalised mentorship,
business partner like me.
But thinking about formalising mentors, and I think there's it Do you think do you think you need to formalise something? Or does it just happen? I think it's I guess it's like, up to personal preference. I have never formalised a mentorship relationship, but I would say I have mentors. So I guess it's personal preference. Have you like, have you said to someone, can you be my mentor? Or if you say to people, I said two jewels. Once you my mentor, told me Shut the fuck up. Now, I'd like to ask you though, like, can you be my mentor? If you're like, oh, by the way, you're my mentor.
What I found was with the people that ended up being my mentors, there has been value that I'm bringing to them, which is why they're I think, giving me time so Joel Salatin, me, but I've done a lot for jewels, and it's like, recipie, he's done more for me than I can do for him. And Craig Harper, as well, the comment, you know, just the time he's given me but I but I definitely have been knowing where my value for him is. And then being able to deliver that but then I just I reaped the benefit of a relationship with someone like that. Yeah. And so never needed to formalise anything.
Yeah, like I would say like Seth Godin. 100% is a mentor of mine, but I have never said to him Hey, Seth, by the way, would you be my mentor? I think there's a an interesting observation in all of that, which is like your mentors don't even need to know you exist. Like you could say, I would say that I still could say that.
Victim does the world
we live in now. You could surround yourself with like Bernie Brown, for example, her Yeah, yeah. I guess I surround myself with I would say like, in a way, she's a mentor. She doesn't need to know I exist, but I look to her nice if she did, right. Wouldn't it be cool? Yeah. I look to her for ideas when I feel like I need them. But I don't say to hyper now you're my mentor. I need you to help me with this. So I think it's, it's cool, sort of each end of the spectrum. Sometimes there's mentors that don't exist, and then maybe there's some conversations that people have where it's like kouji formal could we formalise this could you be my mentor but I've never I've never had that conversation. I think they just have formed challenge.
And so do you think it is like you know, you know, it's, if it's not said you're not actually the mental like the put you know, But the the Bernie brown example I get it. In the old days, that's just cold learning shit from other people. And you know what I mean? Like now we're sort of anchoring this in my mentor, they might guide the guide.
But what do you think? Do you recognise something in the mentor beat or seeking that? Like, certainly I don't think I've really had a mentor. As such, I want your perspective on my like on my approach to mentorship because I don't know if I have
a very similar view or not. Yeah, in that respect, because I think I may be what it becomes is like you do the non mentor agreement mentors, which is just in the vein of friends that you learn from friends of the great people. But then there's the business that you have Pete where the value in having a coach that they're showing up with a posture Yeah, and I'm getting a service from them. Yeah. Which I mean, what how do you how do you even see that as a coach, you are a coach. is essentially someone who could be mentoring people for money.
Yeah, I see the difference in the two, I think a mentor to me is someone who's has a certain experience in the thing that you want to do yourself. And so you say, hey, TJ, I want to start a daily podcast, TJ and Josh, would you like to mentor me and help me with that, versus a coach, which has not ness doesn't necessarily need to have the experience that you seek. So like, I work with a bunch of creatives that are you know, Broadway artists, for example. And I have no idea about like, Broadway and performing arts and that's actually a strength is all I need to be able to do as a coach is ask questions, hold space and be curious, versus a mentor, which is like, actually need advice. And in order to get advice, I need you to have the lived experience that I don't have. So I think that's how I think that distinction it shows is given a lot of advice. That's a mentor, he's giving you Hey, based on my life, this is what I would do. As a coach. It's not about advice, I think, do you
think that the the mentor thing we can fall into it If you're requiring an external force,
I think you can hide in this for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Because I think that there is a distinction between, like, I feel like I'm a lifelong learner. I love learning stuff. And that can come from a person that could come from a book, it could come from a podcast. Whereas I think there are some people who fall into the narrative of what it is to have a mentor. Yeah. And so they get obsessed with the geography and the sitting down and talking time or the risk of like, I'm, I'm, I'm not successful, because I don't have a mentor. So like, it's almost a cop out in a way. It's like, I need to get a mentor, then I'll put in the work. It's like, I think you're hiding in that maybe like, do you need to formalise a relationship in order to then have a mentor? I don't think so. Do you need to have a mentor in order to be successful? Probably not, not necessarily. It's helpful can help you learn and grow. But it's not like a requirement and it's not it's not an it's not an alternative to putting in the work. What about a couch? It's the View there, do it. Does everybody need a coach? No. Well, I think I think everyone could benefit from a coach but not everyone needs a coach. So for me, a coach is all about holding someone accountable, asking questions holding space, and as I mentioned being curious. And so you can get that formally, which is sort of some of the work I do. Or you could get that through. Like, I would say, JJ and I kind of coach each other when we go on walks, because we ask when he's
bring a whiteboard. I want to know, what's the difference between you've done the whole psychology thing, the difference between going to a psychologist and going to a coach?
I think a psychologist is probably the distinction I've seen is the perhaps a little bit more on the mental side in that they're leaning on. They're not necessarily their lived experience, but they leaning on the knowledge that they've attained through qualifications and understanding of how to now I got trauma. A coach doesn't really necessarily have expertise in how to navigate trauma or personal relationships, extract.
cues, used a whiteboard. Yeah,
I love to get around that I was a little sceptical at first I told JT I was like, I'm kidding. I say therapists, everyone keeps telling me to do it and he talked about it. And I think Ryan Shelton talked about it and I was like, Oh, I think I'm gonna do this. And I went in there and I met her in the reception. I was like, God I know about this already. She opens the door and there's a whiteboard sitting in between the two chairs and I love a whiteboard and I slipped early I think you and I are gonna get along just fine. Yeah
that's that's that's good. Google him and yeah,
I think Pete likes white board so while we talk
she did you she know anything about you before you started.
know why now why why are you doing like you would have signed a form at the start just Yeah, what you do what you're up to like a induction form.
Yeah. Yeah, say that Google me. So she so she
was bored while we're talking. You're just saying now is everything I can notice, you know, on Facebook?
I would think that,
no, I'm curious about this. So the, what are you actually writing on a whiteboard when you're going to a therapist, I'm not writing, she's doing the writing while we're talking. And she's mapping out themes and like, she maps out the people. So she draws a little box with me, you know that that box represents Pete and then she'll draw a box to represent my family when I start talking about my family or my girlfriend when I'm talking to my ex when I'm talking about my ex. And then she draws like dotted lines between the three or the four of them, like how they all connect, and what are the commonalities and the stories you're telling yourself as
you take a photo at the end? Yeah, I love it. Isn't that like a do you ask? You don't have to I'm sorry. I can. Of course, take a photo of you using you tried to set up notion the other day?
Yeah, I'm only going with trial action. I'm I'm into it. I've moved from A bunch of stuff from Google Docs into notion. So first you need to give them biscuit ago. Okay, is there another way
to get on notion?
notion is great. But TJ told me about biscuit which integrates
can we get this claim? Just because this is this is a big This is big for a tech piece of advice that JJ is taken on board with no push drag. This is unbelievable
what you'd never do. It might be I try I don't think you've ever in the in the three years that we've worked together, I don't think you've ever said to me like, ah, I was thinking on the way like, you know, like, I don't feel that you bring stuff out like yeah, stuff of that you've spoken about. I mean, the one thing where
I i this guy that this guy's I can't remember his name? Luke, somebody someone dassey he
the most complicated that I know.
Yeah. But he's got he's called the most connected guy in the world is that he's tall, connected, meaning technology. He's got like he's the old Google Glass guys go release, whoops, whoop, whoop on his arms, and it's all bullshit. But he's a version of Josh could become him this whole time, you just could become him. And I saw him using biscuit. And I was like, Matt,
how do you? How do you explain this kid
beast. So you know, when you're in Chrome or Mozilla or you know, whatever it be, and you got tabs open, or you go bookmarks, like all the things I use in a day nightmare, because when you do have 20 tabs open, I've seen just a producer's computer
tab coin coin.
This is a, it's basically like a interface that allows you to sort your tabs, but they're on the left hand side. So it almost looks like notion or It looks like a thing where you have on the left side, all of the quick buttons that take you to a specific spreadsheet at a specific point. So I have my finance section. I've got my daily section where she don't want to be in sales section. You know, and so you get a bunch of that. You can hear in one spreadsheet but rather than going back and forth in the sheet at the bottom, on the left hand side it's gotten the tabs so it's like quick keys but it's it's a game changer.
I showed it to Barry last night to lock it. She said that it seemed like an unnecessary tool. It was just a browser. What would you
yeah but then I think the challenges the workflow of being the TED Queen,
sounds efficient it's quite like efficiencies it sounds like it's creating efficiency well
stuff doesn't stick a lot like when you find a piece of tech yeah and and this is just like oh my god why the fuck if and I've been using this like inner my inner chrome thing with third is like I've run out of space my bookmarks so the probably should send this to biscuit Well, this is a good like testimonial. Yeah, they don't even charge ridiculous
business model. That's what I want. And I was selling you
know, I don't know they they literally can't even create an account which means like, that's one thing issue about is that I can't transition from My Computer upstairs with my biscuit is dance I'm making kind of escape from the job on my laptop I need to create I need to create my biscuit on the
it's a biscuit yeah it's a real it's a short for a biscuit almost right now is worth worth looking at.
And so um so you were using what are we putting in notion? I've got things like you know books I want to read books I have read I've got you know like Airbnb ease that I've looked at and want to stay in one day the adventures that I want to do. You're getting into all the emojis I'm a big emoji guy I think you probably already knew that but not really Okay, so I'm an emoji guy is a gentle to the breaking of you got
to go to MIT Can you just pull out your phone in
and tell me what Yeah, I just I've just cut to the one nearly cut to the exclusive Can you tell me what your
I don't know iPhones out of reach? But I would say my most use would be the the joy emoji which is the guy with the crying eyes. Yeah. And the lovely eyes. I quite like the lavato eyes. Yeah. emoji. Yeah, so I'm a big emoji picked this one. I wouldn't have picked that.
I didn't I Really? I feel like I don't get many emojis from you.
Yeah, I think so I adapt based on knowing the other person and I feel like you know what a big emoji guy so I've like dolled back so I don't offend you.
This Yeah. Josh then a big guy. What am I?
Because she's an eagle passive guy. He's
a big he's an exclamation mark guy. And he's a high homie kind of guy. I mean, he loves me. Yeah. So I you know, other people communicate. Do you like Jada bonhomie? Yeah. Right.
I don't know who it's coming from. All right, but actually, I'm okay with that. You can call the dieticians back. Yeah. Yeah,
that's good. Let me see. Is it a brand value your homie thing Josh, or
homie with an exclamation mark? That's a
pretty I use it a lot. I used to say hum Bray. Oh, yeah. You're also a big,
gone Taka cheese de hombre.
You're a big face Tama that's probably your grandma. Yeah, yeah. Not necessarily an emoji. It's a FaceTime.
Yeah, I'm a biscuit guy.
Now, what's my belly? So the other thing, I think, I know, I send messages, I think, quite sure, like, um, I do multiple messages. I do that. So I like that. So I would prefer to like, get six notifications too quickly, or I can you're a long email guy too. You know, that's not true. It's a big contentious issue, but that's my workplace. I get to sit in the hot seat. You can never let anyone see.
Can you come on the show? Here we go. So
I'm gonna hit the catch. This is in regards to our talk about how to coach the situation's just observe and Jesse's getting TJ sliding as well. So this is this is really lucky. Here we go. TJ just wants to relax. He's disengaged. His core on the core is
disengaged. I'll get digested she is.
She's putting putting her headphones on. We go to bed. timing. Hello,
hey, Jess, another great, great, you look cry. It's a little bit better.
So we're talking about long emails. I feel like you send long emails. It's just the first time he's told, you know, I said it this morning and you got upset with me potentially.
Would you consider that a blow up?
That wasn't a blow up. That's I mean, it's the early day stage. Can you just want to make sure you're centred in the screen? Would you
feel like above you?
I mean, I felt attacked because it is a strong word. I know because I have a thing against long emails. And so it came out of left field.
So the My thing is that I was saying, I actually said this to you. I'm like, I've been getting into a bit of evening work. And one of the things with the evening work is going through gestures, emails, like when she sends when you send me an email, there's a lot of information To put in and so what I was sort of saying is it's like, I think that's great client side, giving him heaps of context. What are the bits that we could cut?
What's the push? Is it the length of the scrolling? You have to do? Is it the thought of a paragraph? It's a wall of text? Well, it's not it's not knowing what to focus on.
But if you like, read it.
It goes in front of like,
Yeah, and that's the thing like I've Is it a formatting thing? Like, is it more just
How long is too long? It's pretty long. I think that they Hello. So they don't points. But each point is a paragraph. Would you say that? Oh, no,
it's more than just a point. I just want to point this out that I've literally probably only sent what five emails that you've been privy to.
It's been privy to what the
emails like. It's sorting out different things like it's not like I'm going to tell me or to JJ A simple menial task in here. It's like the proper client emails. Yeah, you have to detail this stuff. Who's it for? Yeah,
you're tailoring a message based on who it's for.
Actually, do you know what would be fun yet? I'll read you the first email. I have a centre page. This was a cold. I was saying I don't do cold emails. brand value.
This is great. I always remember I was in New York. And I received this email from a stranger called Josh Janssen.
You ready? Hang on I don't have your eye here. No, it's from square it was a Squarespace he went through my website through his form. So this is a noxious the form. It's not as simple as you remember what you asked on your form. Now this was not the right contact a contact form. It was been an old iteration. It's our name, email address. What are you currently working on?
I'm curious. What are you working on?
Is that obnoxious? I mean, it's slightly bang like, only contact me if you're if
it's changed since Yeah. Now I'm gonna go look at it as soon as you want job tape. So here we go. Josh Janssen, Joshua, Josh Janssen calm. What are you currently working on? I haven't read this. So this could be embarrassing. Hey, Peter, I just discovered you. So this was the 18th of may 2018. Well, we've had two years of friendship. Yeah, happy to be here. I just discovered you through sets alt NBA Live Stream. Awesome. Seeing a fellow Melburnian doing cool shit. My mate Tommy and I have a podcast the daily talk show. We're up to Episode 89. I see you on your about section that you love listening to podcasts. And they're even working on one on your own. Sorry, working on your own one. If there's any help you need from a technical content point of view, please let me know. I have a background in content creation in radio technology. And now through my video production company. formstack Films pretty long email, would love to know and this was in the form but let's have you Now it'll be this. Look at this. Look how short it is compared to the emails that you send that, like it
sounds, it's saying, Yeah, we
need to, we need to blur out an email that you send, but show it the length properly. I feel like there's almost a bit of a and so that's basically the end of the thanks for your time, mate. Josh, you were fired up. You send an you actually had a report. What did I reply? You had a an interesting signature at the end of the image is no longer available. Thanks for reaching out, man.
Two years ago, this was two years ago, I've come a long way. Okay.
I have to say straight out. And these are dot points. If I can love your podcast, just just listen to those two EPS, and I'm diving into a couple of others to the topics and conversations you guys have is like stepping into my own thoughts. Number two, I'm also digging your vlogs mate. production quality is Primo and the mix of humour and quality content is bang on Pretty good feedback. It's a really nice email. And so that's why we're happy with that.
Okay, sorry. Sure. And the difference with that email is that you are making statements in your points so they can be tight.
And so you're doing more sort of like giving people giving cards, miners
context or action points more. So, like, the things that need to be actioned or have a response to, is there a format you'd prefer Jadot?
like a like a voicemail?
No, I think do you think it needs to? I think it needs to come from you just like what do you think? Where is my pushback relevant? versus when do you think I just need to suck it up and write the read the a mouth? What do you think I should always just write a mouse?
Yeah, I think so. Working together
and writing like I'm just so what I was saying like last night I sent just a long email. Also you reply with a lot.
Yeah. And so I do like his email was long.
And so what I did was I put a lot of tension in this.
I put some bold Tanks. I was like, basically, the main point is involved this, this, this this the TLDR TLDR I think tail Diaz could be a standard thing to that at the top of the email TLDR. But then you got upset because I said that I thought potentially you were the person in school that would copy and paste slabs of text on a PowerPoint and then read it out. And you pride yourself on having having really good top
line slides. PowerPoint. Yeah,
you've come in with a couple of pretty posts.
Maybe that maybe it was maybe I was too, too aggressive. Yeah. But I think it was just the feels like a solid realisation. Yeah. And so I'm sorry about that.
It's funny that he literally had to summarise what he just outlined, and I'm okay with reading an email it but then he bolded it as well, but it was in a weird position in the emails because you pointed Yeah. But without pointing to that, which I don't lie.
Well, it was just like I sent a slab of text Because I might you know what I'm responding the way. Like, it's like when you're just you're only as good as the the opponent. I was just respond like, look here all these ideas. It's I think part of it is, it's the creative process. I actually asked Bri, I said, Can you read this does make sense. And she asked me a question about it. So I blew up and how do you not understand this? It's a very basic thing I'm saying, but I don't know what the deal like it, what should we be slacking more?
I think internally, let's slack and then the client emails. I'll try and be a little bit.
I actually think that's good. I think that the text is good. But I just think that there could be a way for us to internally like I do know that Tony Robbins not saying I'm Tony Robbins.
Tony Robbins records, audio messages and Aya
jackin I like that because you don't have any writing and then you can't go
back. It's very hard to like save
Ken and I do that to each other. I think there's, there's something in getting clear in how each of you likes to be communicated to, because it doesn't have to be the same.
I'm always fired up when I say the emails to clients that Jeff has sent, like, I'm like, fuck it, like how, how, like a professional. Okay, so we like it, but but then I I'm not necessarily reading reading them to the, as much as what probably everyone else is. Yeah. And so I think that there's probably a mechanism of long emails and then point some of you're going to commit to me Well, maybe I need to do a short summary for you after email. A short summary would be by all So the thing is I just want to see if I'm like completely gaslighting you or if this is reality, hang on. Just typing in your name. I just want to say like how long these emails are or whatever. Do you think you do long emails?
But I don't know.
I feel like there was no one like a daily talk show. Like we're doing sort of a
next steps. This was like a questionnaire. Family questionnaire. Is that from me? Hang on. Let me just under this is quite boring. Yeah. So there is like there is a lot of. There's just like a lot of Yeah, there's a lot going on. But no, I agree. I think that I just need to get better. I think maybe I need to use my laptop. It looks a lot on a phone. Yeah. So maybe I need sort of the big screen to be able to see all the text. And it
also could be because I'm not in the office as much that I just brain dump everything. And then
yeah, I actually So one thing that I did do was I downloaded an app that reads things to me.
Well, this is another issue I have here. What is
the tech? Yeah, I had to bring me across
it. Well, it's the spreadsheet. Yeah, no.
I can't have another tab open on my
computer. Oh, that's this is perfect. This will replace all those things. Now
the lack of my system.
So there is something in that I was doing that for a bit, which is just when you send an email there's a there's a software that I was using called tell you what it's called, but it's actually really good. I want to get back into it. It's in my listening section on my app. Here we go. Sorry for the delay. Might be I got rid of it. ruining audio. Yeah, this is a nightmare. Yeah, anyways, there's an app that will basically play the text but Jess, thank you.
That's okay. Thanks, Jess. Go to the
martial art. We got a couple of takeaways Jess is gonna potentially be mindful of doing a TLDR or or summary for you and you're gonna read emails on your laptop, maybe just cut us some slack.
I just said no, but I think like the thing is Jess is way more professional than all of us.
So maybe it's a healthy tension for you to get used to.
Yeah, I think the other thing too is coming from. Jess has gotten extensive experience in PR. And there's a lot of great stuff to come out of PR. But also I think like PR as a brand value. There's a lot going on some time
right it's like the same room the same experience but everyone's having the different response. What How do you feel about it never thought that our emails are too long well, ever I thought they detailed as in like, efficient on my Wow, impressive. And I understand the only thing I rely for is to find email don't what's not not what I'm going for. I'm just saying what response? What I do not realise across every email Jess or anybody is the visceral response you get when you have to do work. And I think that's what you're fucking experiencing. Because I'm on Jesse's side. Where are they formatted? Well, it's like, I'm a gronk. You should say my shit. It's like she's professional, and healing. Yeah, I think if you had a boss that tell you to shut the fuck up.
rage your fucking
emails or you're out? That's like
surely. Yeah, not lunch break? I don't know. I feel like there could be. I think there's a nice like if we want to build a culture,
but what you're saying what you're literally saying is just I need you to work out how you can I say in to you, that's no that's exactly what's happening. Because otherwise it's like it's fine. I'm willing to work to Jesse's way because she's more professional than I am and, and has a lot more knowledge you want it given to you in a different way.
That's what you want. Why, like part of it is learning communication between different people. It's like, keep doing what you've made. It's harder for this guy or maybe when I'm thinking about is like just as time as we, you know, like if we've got say five or six projects going it's it's easy, but then potentially when it reaches a certain scale. If she's doing this is the key
to bigger tax returns. as I
did when I was a kid, I was worried about a big textbook.
But it's the pre empting of scale, which there's two versions. There's Yes. Should we need processes for when there is shitloads going on. But then there's also like, the pain now of no process. There's still a pain at scale. Regardless of process. There will be like, fact, the pains is different.
Just as good at taking notes. And I think that what happens is those notes
come in miles. If they
need to be based on we need notes from the meeting.
If I had to pick 197 doesn't know Hey, now, this is my preferred Yes, I like I'm sorry, the thing is when I get
out when saves isn't in the road, but he's having a good time.
To be. Seriously, I'd much prefer I think just is doing a great job and I actually don't want her to change. I actually i think i i agree i think i need to change and so there's I want to get to a point where I don't have an emotional physical response every time I get an email from Jay
that but that's a learned skill because when you get a long email from a client Yeah, I know the feeling I'm I won't know what's happening.
Anyone Oh, okay, I need to be in the right headphones. But that
shouldn't be the response to any long email but I'm what you're saying is that is the Learn skill you need is less less than entering into it at an emotional level and actually processing and Todd
it's easy to say how did I feel like I need to, it'd be good for us to get How do you feel about us getting a printer?
Absolutely not. I just fucking been to $450 printer. Why'd you do that? I asked everybody can I sell this says not won't be able. I think it was laid out too much. But anyway, what do you need a printer for? tech guy you know, you want all these tech things? But then you want a fucking printer.
I think I think it'd be good to have a printer for what to be able to print out those emails and then just get him and go through them. All right.
All right, Tim jacket. That's what my dad does as a guy often email fucking leave it to the computer and highlight on the Yeah,
in Word. I did an internship in the Victorian Government and it was a guy that printed off every email I would file it my
boss's fucking radio.
I think your other
co would have been
mad at these halls.
I already did. He coached himself out of it. He was going to you know, it'd be really fun. It's actually this would be a fun app. It's like a fax. You get an A, you get a bit you get an email, it gets printed too. So you go to your your inbox and your inbox is just whatever is printed out at the printer in this account. The thing is like I don't want to sound hyper critical took a turn because so Have you do you think I'm being I had to decide to defend Jess, I felt like she needed to sort of go How did I go harder? Now? Did I get good on me?
Yeah, I did. You could because the funny thing is I know you so well from dealing with you every day. And I know where you're being you or you're being a fucking just silly version of you as a child. And it's like,
that's where the push, that's where I said, like I said to Jess, like, I think I said, You know, I push you push bad, but I push back like the thing is, I'm going to tell you how I'm feeling. And if your emails make me sad, I'll tell you. And then you tell me if I'm being silly.
Is that a senior management? Is
that what senior management just driven by emotion?
Like, I haven't ever worked in big business. Yeah. Yeah. What happens if a senior manager does that someone with
one may have an AI or something?
It was an email. Do you ever get that feeling?
I think that if I see a slab of text Sometimes
sometimes I'm like I need I haven't seen one of these emails. I don't know I think that
but I think normally reading, right? The thing is, it happens from good operators, I think Teva from RBK advisory.
Have you read some of that long sheet hastens because it has to it's also employees
and that's what's good. Like you'll go through all of them but I look at them like they are so good, but I don't even have to go through them. But it is a lot to take in
because you read one from our real estate agent, which is talking about some shit we need to be across and you read the first line and summarised and texted me I was convinced you read it well that's the only text message and then I had to dissect it and call that real estate agent.
Well there's a light there they definitely use a little bit of and I understand that that could come across as not showing enough respect and so it's not
hard when you go I can this is went on in a TIFF, but you love like the statements like Inbox Zero When like sorting and filing and it's it's all it seems to show when it's actually around email and you're going to fucking read it and you get to business development. Do you want to be an email? Absolutely not. But I also see it as a non negotiable. Yeah, you got to do it like it's a part of business. It's it is comms. It's talking on the phone. It's the
maybe I'll go the other way. Maybe I was talking on the phone.
Yeah. I've lent into that. I found Pratik. Thanks.
By bullying you
do what's called you having tries and I will speak really a couple times. I spoke to him earlier today.
And look at guys, that's his girlfriend.
he's just talking to you, girlfriend.
I've spoken to you a few times on the phone JJ. I
think I call you though. Yeah. Now what's
happened? I answered. I didn't. I didn't not answer anything. Go sorry, JJ. I'm busy. I can
go the other way. Knowing
Trying to dig us out.
Yeah, all I'm gonna say is I'm 100% up for playing the game. I think that it's worthwhile. I think that the email stuff is very good. I think that is communication.
Yeah, we just got it when you got saves around, we need it. Like, you can't be telling him to do 30 emails a day if you're not willing to read your email
by some being too long.
Like I think we need to I never thought about that. Never ask someone to do something that you're not willing to do so we
really wait it's not to say that
that's all I ever do.
Isn't that the point I thought that was the point of having a time you share the shit. Yeah, but you you share the things will entitle at some point in the best person on email Seth Godin. He writes back, he's good, but he reads as well. No, actually, it would be good because I think I've spoken about this before. When I see an email I start to skim because I don't want to enter my soul. Yes. No, he doesn't want to
Yeah, I get a it's fine. But I think that that is something I would like to get better at time box when you read email is it like what were you in a certain headspace when this email
included it like after a wine? Yeah. Because I just like it gets very easy to write back I do too.
Every single digested
my own you could do like an IPM one wine or a mouse
if you want but I think there's the recognition I look.
There's a certain
like headspace at different times in the day if you recognise that you need to be in a certain headspace
I could actually become an email I think that
it's the romanticism which I i as soon as it comes up, I see it as a warning sign. Right time of day, like when I'm going to be creative it needs to land here. It's like I know I've said the stars aligning for you stuff Josh it's gonna be perfect temperature. And so what you're so when you said the thick let's just deconstruct wine and emails, great combo. Same great when you a bit sort of feeling a bit fruity but fruity because then you like to what happens with the fact that bit is you've ingested a chemical that has given you a visceral response I can only write and now when I'm high and you're feeling good about it
it's it's dangerous Kumba?
I think that I okay I want to I want to actually go the other way I want to be really good because the other thing too is that I think it comes down to procrastination or I can all of this is procrastination for me because it's saying
you definitely have in the last week I actually know you I'm like, Are you good? Like I just because I don't push too hard when I know because Matt you've smashed email before you've been on top of it business development, but I batch things that pretty long email
you know that doesn't do anything
your God fucking can be a powerhouse if you want to. And so it's just about what how do you get to a place where regardless of mood or Anything
is standard. And if people are listening gestures, right, I don't like I think that people would listen and we don't know why this point if they lost analytics, right, yeah,
true. I lost through that debacle.
That's good. No, I'm supportive of everyone. I think everyone's doing the right job. We're all doing our best everyone's doing.
You know, we do a urine reviews on the show.
How long until we start doing 360 reviews on the show now, on the show would be fun. Oh, yeah.
I've never been a part of anything like a 360 review or a review in turn, or what do you
say? Get um, I want to hear from Pete. Okay. If you ever done a 360, I will do anything. Have
you done that in the corporate world? They do that they send out the survey, and they say it's anonymous. But what's tricky is when you're in a team of like four people or three people, and you're asked to review the map It becomes pretty obvious whose responses are whose. So I've done them. You see it, we used to get emails saying you've had contact with the following people in the business. So can you answer these questions about them? And they'll receive an anonymized report about basically giving them feedback. So you get it personalised. I've seen it like, like people, like, get torn apart, and like have very, very visceral reactions to it. And like, I can't believe someone said this about me. I can't believe I you know, I'm not showing up yet.
So, yeah, it's it's pretty full on. pretty full on.
I wanted to how beneficial it was. Well, the thing is, uh, Kevin Rose, who I've found a dig. He, he's been a guy that I think like a little bit like may in regards to very like, fleeting like, just from an external perspective. He sort of has that shiny object syndrome where he goes over to a bunch of things, but I think that he can sometimes drop the ball in regards to communicating what I've seen externally. Anyway, he talked on a podcast about doing the 360 stuff. But it was a coach. He wasn't working for any company at the time. He's a investor at true ventures, I think anyway, he got a bunch of people he knew just friends and stuff to all be interviewed by this person who was doing. I guess it's like one ID. It's like, just feedback on him. I guess. He got absolutely slammed. It was like a real eye opener.
Yeah, I think there's like there's a certain level of trust that one needs to be able to process feedback in an effective way. So if you don't like your manager, then that's probably going to come through in the feedback and it's probably not going to be well received. I think, if you have a relationship that is built on trust, I think in many ways, you shouldn't get surprises. You should probably receive feedback and be like I had a feeling I had I knew that was kind of a blind spot of mine. And now it's been cold out. I don't feel great about it, but there's no question prizes like I think in, in performance reviews, for example, which most companies do every six or 12 months, you shouldn't really like have this moment of a manager telling you something and you're like, Where the hell did that come from? It should be. You're talking every day or every week, giving feedback to one another. So when it comes to formalising it, you're like, Oh, yeah, this is just a build on the things that we've been talking about. Yeah,
I think yeah, there's definitely something in doing things more regularly. Totally. So then there's no surprise at all much rather than doing yet. They call it pulse checks. And quickly on the pulse check. So you've got a whoop, I do. Yeah. Have you seen that they're now using whoops, to determine whether you have COVID? Yeah, yeah, they've updated the
second, they track your respiratory rate. And if you get a significant spike, I believe or a drop maybe in your respiratory rate, it could be a symptom that you're developing. COVID
says it's got Crohn's
or so there's even the NBA using the I think one of the teams is using the aura ring higher as a way of determining so it's like yeah, hold All those things you mentioned, I think the respiratory writer is the one that tracking. So what is respiratory? Right mean? I
would have to double check, but it's like the amount of breathing rhythm and the amount of breaths per minute i think is what it is. Yeah.
Yes. It's not too hot, right respiratory, right.
So I think mine flow of a sign out if it's between 12 and 18, which I think is like standard. I read it about it on the website. And it's like, if you go beyond that, then that could be assigned
to going beyond that. Like when I've had bad asthma. Yes. shallow breathing. It's like, yeah,
yeah. I really liked it. I would like to avoid that for that reason. What do you what do you pay? I pay, you pay a monthly subscription fee. So it's free, the hardware is free. And then you pay like software as a service for I think 15 $20 a month or something. It works out to be what about 200 a year pretty reasonable. Yeah. And you can wait like I paid six months up front, so you can just kind of pay it up front
or login login for like an online portal. We're seeing Australia
as an as an app that you fire up and it gives you do desktop it's got desktop you put it on DBS get totally get it online. Yeah,
they check it out
every week. And what the budget is the the charging
denture. Yeah. So there's a case that you just let slide on top so you don't have to take it off. So you still get all of the
to charge a battery you have a battery and then you put the battery on it that charges that are pretty cool. Yeah, yeah. And so you were at when you sleep as you're sleeping great. Yeah, I've got noticed that
since getting a girlfriend in regards to sleep,
probably a bit more relaxed and calm and happy,
I guess. So like you lower lower heart rate, which means he also getting deep asleep. So I would say yes. That's interesting. Also, you know, you're staying. Especially with isolation and everything. It's like going out and partying and drinking, which very much improves your sleep, which improves your daughter and your health metrics you get back.
Awesome. All right, anyway.
Well, the things to
get get an email. Yeah, yeah. Jess, team member of the month
doing a great job. We should start doing that.
Team employee and play with yourself a little jab a high five. Yeah, definitely. We'll get rockin a cop Hawk. Oh, you already?
Yeah. I mean, just famously, I remember for one of the first days I ever met Jess, and I went into the garage, so fucking smells like shit in the garage. And then I was like,
Oh, hey, Jess.
And then I didn't connect all the things and then turns out that she had been driving in the country just to remind you and she'd basically brought it into the office. Oh,
yeah. Have you had much experience Jason reputation management
process called fucking tightening the floor with you. It's disgusting, really.
fucking long email, apologising, play
any more dirty laundry to
them. It's not her she she can't help it but it's a it's an option. Jess and I were driving before this is no story about Jess. We were just together in the car and we I looked over and I saw a woman bending over I was like oh my god yes look and we got a bit closer she stood up pull their pants back up bend back over then a shadow on the concrete over one and we
and just said about about a chicken
a chicken man that's what it looked like it looked like
my god we live in a weed. Well,
was it on Victoria Street? Yes. Okay,
Sorry, that was sickening. But it was fucking whatever your feelings Did you try 20 times were saying at Murrieta. Elwood is the greatest decision I made. I do not miss any tougher motherfuckers
I grew up
going on. Alright.
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