Camels Are Misunderstood

Josh: The Daily Talk Show, episode 264. It's Fat Fridays.

Tommy: Yeah, we hardly got through anything. We've got this ginormous pizza in front of us. It's 40 inches. It's fucking ginormous. And this is not a plug for the person that made this. We just won't even say their name.

Josh: Domino's.

Tommy: What do you actually think? So it was What do you think of this pizza?

Josh: I think it was good. It was literally like 1, 2, 4 pizzas in one. It's essentially like 4 pizzas and I'm fucking, I've got the meat sweats.

Tommy: I'm so full. And then I just drank a whole litre of water.

Josh: Did you have one slice or two slices?

Tommy: I had one. Did you have two?

Josh: No, I had one.

Tommy: I was gonna say, fucking sweats would be from two.

Josh: The problem with having, I know we keep opening it, but the problem with the way, and go to our YouTube channel if you actually wanna see it.

Tommy: Oh yeah, so we did a video. If you're listening, we've done a video that is at the start of this video on our YouTube. YouTube channel.

Josh: The, the thing is that the concern I have is I like to have multiple flavors, and so you're faced with, if you want to try 3 flavors, you're eating 3 pizzas.

Tommy: Well, he did ask me, do you want to, do you want me to cut this up for you? And I said no because it takes away from the—

Josh: why do you— why were you saying that they only do one a day?

Tommy: That's just their rule across all stores. It's only one pizza per day. And yeah, so this is the thing, I've got such food regret, like, 'cause I feel sick. Eating something like this, it's a great idea, great gimmick. There is so many gimmicks that businesses come up with. I mean, our show has a lot of gimmicks.

Josh: It's a gimmick goldmine.

Tommy: But there's so many gimmicks for like, we had a party at, for my mate's 21st birthday, we had the meter-long Subway roll. And I'm thinking it's gonna be—

Josh: It's a metre long, so that would be how many? 6 feet? Is that a meter?

Tommy: No, no, no, that's 200 centimeters. So it's quite long, like it's probably, yeah, I don't know, it's massive, but he got a whole bunch of them. They cut them up, it doesn't come out as some fucking—

Josh: Yeah, it's actually—

Tommy: Big long thing.

Josh: Fuck, I remember when I was a kid, the banana split, they were doing the world's longest banana split at Endeavour Hills. And I was expecting one fuck-off massive banana. Like this is the biggest banana I've ever seen. But the way they did it was, yeah, very small silver trays all lined up.

Tommy: Do you think it actually, so Hulk Smash, who's been on the show.

Josh: Friend of the show.

Tommy: Yeah, competitive eater. Shout out to you, Hulk. He goes to these places and a lot of the time I've seen videos where he's not getting paid, but what he does is he goes to some place and there's a 5-kilogram pho. It's $50, but if you eat it within 20 minutes, you get it for free.

Josh: So I mean, he's eating for free still.

Tommy: Well, it's a good, like the marketing behind it works when you get a guy like that, or you get some show that wants some gimmick pizza on their podcast. I just, I wonder how, I wonder if it makes sense from a business, like what's the relatable gimmick for our business, big media company. What's a gimmick?

Josh: Like resume videos, like we'll do your resume video if you're going for a job maybe. But Mr. 97 was asking me earlier, he was saying he wanted to know what other dumb shit that I've been buying, like that I've bought in my lifetime because there's been sort of a bit of a pattern.

Tommy: Actually dangerous, Mr. 97, his missus is here.

Josh: Yeah, so I've got—

Tommy: Don't fucking ever do that again, all right?

Josh: I put a bit of a list together. The big one was cacao nibs.

Tommy: Which is just raw, right?

Josh: Yeah, raw, but it was probably 2008 or '09.

Tommy: Oh, sorry, not at the moment. You're talking in general, just dumb purchases in life.

Josh: Oh yeah.

Tommy: Not at the moment.

Josh: No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm going back far.

Tommy: That's what I was like, fuck, are you going anti-minimalist now?

Josh: No, no, no.

Tommy: So no, these are nibs from 2008.

Josh: I bought a kilo of them. 'Cause I thought I saw someone doing a podcast where they were like a video show, it was Dignation back in the day. And they had like chocolate coated nibs and I was fucking eating them, they looked delicious. And so I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna be healthy, I'm gonna buy them. And they were shit. They just tasted like fucking, it was like, I thought that they'd sent me gravel.

Tommy: Yeah, well, it is 100% old chocolate that's lost the sugar content and the flavor. And it's a cacao nib.

Josh: It's like the— It's good.

Tommy: This is the thing. 'cause there is something sort of like, we were watching that, you were like, I love watching food videos or whatever.

Josh: Candy reviews.

Tommy: And then that girl with the acai bowl. And I was like, there's something that sort of like things that are kind of healthy, acai bowls I don't believe, that you kind of, it's almost like you found a loophole.

Josh: Do you think acai is not healthy?

Tommy: Definitely not healthy with the sugar content. 'Cause I worked at a cafe in Bondi and we used to sell a heap of Bondi acai bowls, like very, trendy around there. They were frozen packets of frozen liquid.

Josh: Berry stuff?

Tommy: Yeah, so it's like a— they must blend it up big on a big scale and then they pour into these things. So there's so much sugar content in that shit. Sugar, I mean, probably sugar from the fruit, but also added sugar. And then you put orange juice, apple juice into the blender, you put some other shit.

Josh: It's a joke. I'm sure we'll look back at that like Boost. I used to have so many Boost juices as a kid.

Tommy: General knowledge. Do you know, you might've listened, I listened to a podcast years ago, like years and years ago, maybe it was Small Business, Big Marketing. Timbo Reid, he was talking to the guy that brought in the açaí. Oh really? It was a Brazilian, something Brazilian fruit.

Josh: It's pretty amazing when you think that like there's actually people who bring in these specific, like imagine if you're the first person to import apples into Australia, that's pretty crazy, what are they doing?

Tommy: I reckon, yeah, I mean, you're talking a long time ago, unless they were here.

Josh: But like, there was a time where it's like, have you tried those new things? And they're like, what's almonds?

Tommy: Yeah, well, that— the first time of anything, like, it's off the record, right?

Josh: It's like milking a cow. The first person to milk a cow, the first is a freak.

Tommy: I was gonna go smutty. The first The first, how the fuck, this sounds so dumb, how the fuck do we work out, I had this moment the other day, I'm like, I'm talking to you and you're totally understanding what I'm saying and someone has invented every one of these words, they've come up with them and the sound and the hum of my voice in a certain way, does that not creep you out? Have you ever had one of those moments you're like, how these words, you understand these words, how the fuck, sometimes you don't, how the fuck.

Josh: Most of the time you don't understand what I'm saying.

Tommy: But just language is like vibration of your mouth.

Josh: It's vibration of your mouth is interesting. Well, yeah, like Asian, like Chinese or whatever, Mandarin, it's all like, it's the tones or something.

Tommy: Okay, random one.

Josh: What's up, Mr. 97? He's laughing. Oh no, I'm not gonna do any impersonation. No impersonation on the show.

Tommy: How about this? I have a baby who has—

Josh: Amy? Sweating so much.

Tommy: I have a— why put your forehead on the top of that?

Josh: It would like be so great.

Tommy: If Amy and I have another baby, we say, here, Mrs. Someone from over in China, okay, take, take our new boy, and that boy grows up there. He's downloading Chinese into his head like we day and night.

Josh: So what's the point?

Tommy: So you're giving your baby away Australian-born, but then his first language, just based on where he is, He speaks Chinese, which is weird because it's like Bodhi's already saying words, he's just mimicking, but he's understanding and connecting. We're smart fuckers.

Josh: But I guess it would be, you wouldn't get to see him very much like the next little kid if that was the case.

Tommy: I mean, if I was giving him away, I'm a piece of shit if I was giving him away just for the sake of seeing if he could download Chinese.

Josh: That happened with the boy in Free Willy, wasn't he adopted?

Tommy: Godfather? Directed Free Willy.

Josh: Good film. I wonder how they like, I'm sure that there was a lot of animal sort of cruelty going on.

Tommy: I can't wait. So we're videoing these episodes. I cannot wait till we can bring up, there's a movie called Swiss Family Robinson. My favourite film as a kid. They get shipwrecked on an island, Disney film. Animals are everywhere. They build these tree houses, it's unbelievable. It's like a fucking dream come true for a child's imagination. One of them, a guy's riding a zebra. They're like, you know, doing the most inhumane— well, emu. He's— one of them's riding an emu. It's like you couldn't get away with that shit these days.

Josh: I remember I went to a conference in Indonesia. It was in Surabaya. And we— what were you there for? I was for Envato. And so it was all the Indonesian designers and developers anyway, they went to, it was all, they were doing all local tourist sort of stuff. And one included going to a zoo. And the thing is that it's like not an official, like it's a zoo, their style, an Indonesian style zoo. It's like, it's like they—

Tommy: You got a chain, you got a zoo.

Josh: Well, yeah, you see, yeah, literally it's like a cockatoo. Like you would see like a sign, it's like, oh, see the cockatoo. And you see it looks like it's been fucking smuggled in through someone's bag. And it's like, oh my God, look at the cockatoo in there.

Tommy: Like get a photo. Well, it's the— and I feel like you're more sensitive about it, the sitting on top of the elephant.

Josh: Before, yeah, I did it.

Tommy: No, yeah, but I feel like you're— maybe it's like you do it, you feel more sensitive and you can relate more. Whereas I'm like, those things are fucking strong.

Josh: Big, strong.

Tommy: If they're kept like they're really well treated, which I'm sure some of them are, some of them are probably— Yeah, I'm sure some of them are.

Josh: Burping up Domino's.

Tommy: Do you feel like, is it just across the board now? It's like sitting on an elephant's no-go?

Josh: Well, yeah, I think so. Unless you're like some sort of tribes person who does, like, I don't know. Are they doing that shit in Africa?

Tommy: I'm sure it's their mode of transport. Somewhere in the world. Don't you reckon?

Josh: Maybe similarly to in Australia, kangaroos.

Tommy: Where people think it is.

Josh: Well, I think that like—

Tommy: No, 100%, I reckon there is. Some sort of native tribe that has an elephant that's their mate. Like, they're very smart. They're smarter than you and I. It's not hard.

Josh: Camels are another one as well.

Tommy: Camels are misunderstood.

Josh: Yeah, they are. We were watching a video on that the other day. I actually didn't realise the extent of— like, I'd never seen camels like that before. I'd always seen them as this sort of just like a camel, like they fucking spit and they all that sort of shit, you ride on them. But we were watching a video where it's like these fucking camels have little personalities.

Tommy: Yeah. Don't fuck with camels, man.

Josh: Talking about importing and the new ingredients and items and shit, produce. The way I was gonna say, we had my water bottle in shot on the first episode and it looked like shite.

Tommy: Yeah, it looks like shit. But if I put that, that'd be fucking absolute piece of shit.

Josh: No, I, Garcinia cambogia, do you know what it is?

Tommy: This is another purchase, great link back to your purchases.

Josh: Well, yeah, I read a men's health, what I thought was a men's health article about what Hugh Jackman, what supplements he took to get jacked.

Tommy: Yeah, well, he's ripped, he's strong.

Josh: It was like $140 or whatever. For a certain amount of supplements and it's like if you actually just want to get it so that you have enough for like 6 months, it was like $270. I'm like, it seems like a good deal. So I ended up with Garcinia cambogia, which I watched Dr. Oz talk about how it like helps you lose weight. And the other thing was—

Tommy: Did you like, before you got it, did you know what it actually did for you?

Josh: Yeah, so I'm like, this one loses like, you lose weight on it.

Tommy: Beyond that. I knew it was helping you.

Josh: Indonesian fruit. Fruit.

Tommy: Okay, so that's the selling point.

Josh: So that's enough Indonesian fruit, it was enough for me. And then there was another one just called Testo Strong, and then it wasn't—

Tommy: sounds like the real deal.

Josh: Yeah, and it was like to increase your testosterone or something.

Tommy: Fuck you, that probably would have been legit, bro.

Josh: But no, not at all. But so I ended up with like for so long just like a cabinet full of these supplements. Like, I can't believe you look at people and say, how do you— how'd you fall for the Nigerian prince Like, that's not far off. I'm sure fucking a Nigerian prince was involved.

Tommy: I think, what about, and I know if you're watching and you're into network marketing, good for you.

Josh: What are the top network marketing?

Tommy: Isagenix.

Josh: What's Isagenix?

Tommy: Isagenix is, I don't know, another powder, pills, and potions. And then Herbalife is another one. Great documentary on that.

Josh: Yes.

Tommy: Fuck.

Josh: What is it called?

Tommy: Just Herbalife documentary.

Josh: Selling Short or something? I can't remember. Remember it's like the—

Tommy: Fuck, you told me, you mate told me to watch it. Robbie Ward told us about it. So because what they're doing, these beyond, so my problem with the network marketing is that they're selling to you, Josh, as someone who has dealt with weight, now looking great, but if you wanna keep that, like there's an emotional tie-in that they get to you. But the products that they've got, Why the fuck isn't every single person in the world using that single product?

Josh: It can't be if it's bullshit.

Tommy: Well, it's like water, everyone drinks it 'cause it's the thing, it's you need it. If you needed these things and it did what they kind of sell it in to do, then why wouldn't everyone have it? That's my only issue with it among the manipulation and—

Josh: F45, not a Ponzi scheme. However, Bree was telling me, it's like, oh yeah, when you take your before and after photos, there's like a thing that says that they can use it for marketing purposes.

Tommy: Go fuck yourself.

Josh: Can you unclick it? I hope so, 'cause I was like, absolutely not, fuck that. If I lost a bunch of weight, I would want that. Fuck talking about losing weight and also like I've bought a lot of things around sort of weight loss and health, but one of them was, had good intentions, it was Dynamic. Have you heard of Dynamic?

Tommy: No, what is that?

Josh: There was sort of like a, imagine HelloFresh, but frozen and it was all like pre-made meals.

Tommy: Oh, so yeah, there's a bunch of companies. 5.4 is a great one.

Josh: So we did Dynamic. The problem is that we got all these soups and shit, but they were all too big for the fucking microwave. And so what happened is they would, you'd, we would get them frozen, you'd put them in the microwave, it would turn, it would unfreeze and fall over and the soup would go everywhere. And literally like that was me for a week of like doing this thing was fucking cleaning up the microwave.

Tommy: It was almost cheap plastic. It was like a satchel. It was even meant to go in the microwave.

Josh: Yeah, it was meant to be able to turn. It was meant to sit upright because it had like sort of a little bit of a fat bottom.

Tommy: That's fucked. So the cult thing, I mean, we've pretty much locked off 5 people for our squeegee keyring cult.

Josh: Yeah, if you're not aware, we set up a— we did a call out, was it late last year?

Tommy: That feels like so far away, but it was only like 3 weeks ago. Yeah, I don't even know, I think it was this year, and you were like, I want a cult, I've got this coin, I've pretty much bought into this movement, and then so I'm in this movement, let's create a coin for ourselves, and then we brainstormed it, came up with the squeegee, squeegee, for obvious reasons. But we're getting here, mate, and you said 5 of these we're going to give away. We're which we haven't had them made yet 'cause we're gonna cap it out at a certain amount, but we got a solid locked in first 5 for the crew.

Josh: We've gotta work out what we're gonna do with how we're gonna open it up again. Yeah. But Gabby, I remember she's in Canada. She's got a squeegee.

Tommy: She's in.

Josh: Russ got one. I can't remember everyone.

Tommy: Yeah, we'll do a full readout.

Josh: But Wayne, Wayne got one as well.

Tommy: Now we've done the reverse, what do you call it? The reverse, You know how you, uh, what do you call this? You get all the money and then you go into production. Crowdfund. We've done the reverse crowdfund. We've got the people saying yes, and now we're gonna, and then we're gonna do it, but we've received no money and we're not receiv— we don't receive any money.

Josh: It's not too far off.

Tommy: And so we are going to get these out. My, my idea, Josh, is to have the— which Mr. 97 said, 3D printed. Oh yeah, 3D printed.

Josh: We should get my mate Blahj to do this because he he can do that shit. I feel like you need to sand them back and stuff.

Tommy: Do you?

Josh: But we also need to work out how to do the Daily Talk Show. If we can actually get it into the, like, cut in, that would be pretty sick.

Tommy: I mean, 3D printing, you can do a gun. If you can do a gun, you can do a squeegee with a fucking little TTS.

Josh: Can we do a little rubber on it?

Tommy: Aftermarket.

Josh: Like, so it can actually aftermarket?

Tommy: Aftermarket. Well, because it's not going to print out the rubber, but if you had the bit And then we bought like a rubber stripping and we cut it, put it on like a wind wiper blade that we can slice up. That's a fucking good pizza.

Josh: It's a very custom job.

Tommy: Are you gonna have any more of this pizza? 'Cause we have, we spent 50 bucks.

Josh: I think I'm done.

Tommy: We spent 50 bucks on this thing.

Josh: What are we gonna do with the rest? We can't like, we need to do something. We need to give it to someone.

Tommy: We've gotta walk around. So as I got this and as I'm walking, even in Richmond, people are like, "Whoa, look at that." And then down the stairs here at the office, there's a cafe. They're like, "Wow, look at that." It's easy to impress.

Josh: But yeah, no, the food shit is buying dumb food stuff. I feel like I'm quite prone to. I literally did on the one, I'm trying to look at the whiteboard from the, there was the one kilo.

Tommy: I think we're legit doing brainstorms for serious client work.

Josh: I love it.

Tommy: Someone from afar, the thing about a whiteboard, you see it from the distance and you're like, stuff going on there. But you've got, if you did the download to your head, dumb shit I've bought. Clapper, clapper.

Josh: So the clapper, yeah, the clapper was a slate, like a clapperboard. And I got it from eBay. This would have been 2004, 2005. I was a young kid. I wanted to have like a Universal Studio clapper. So I could go, you know, take one. And bought it. And the fucking thing, I wasn't used to the internet. Yeah. And what they'd sold me was they just made it themselves out of wood, and it was like miniature. But the way they took the fucking photo, it looked full size. I just remember like nagging my mum to go to the post office because I needed to collect it. And then I did the same thing again with the microphone, where I bought a microphone, I was expecting it to be like this size, like a normal microphone size, and it was like a quarter of So it was like a tiny microphone.

Tommy: This is why people don't shop online. I mean, there's a bunch of people that do. I haven't done a shitload of shopping online. And I'm not over here saying shop local.

Josh: No, I was—

Tommy: I mean, I love a fucking bargain that comes from online. But this is the problem. You can get fully trolled.

Josh: But I just love— like, I've always had a soft spot for buying shit online. Actually, fuck, I just remembered something that I did buy online that would have been early, early, early days. Yeah. Would have been like '05, I would have been 15. And 'cause it had, I just remember the website now and it had like an as seen on TV. It was called a TV Be Gone. And it was a key ring that I could point it at any TV and it would turn it off.

Tommy: And it worked?

Josh: It fucking worked. And so I would go along the street at night and I would see fucking TVs in through the windows.

Tommy: That's so good.

Josh: And I would just like hold it there and fucking just say it, and then you would see him fucking turn it back on.

Tommy: That'd be how the— Lisa!

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: What the fuck?

Josh: Yeah, it's a little bit of that vibe.

Tommy: I'm watching that!

Josh: And so, but did you ever own a laser?

Tommy: Oh, so my first interaction with a laser— I got a few laser interactions over my time. I was obsessed the moment my Uncle Rob showed me one. Funny thing is, I live in the street where I first had my laser interaction.

Josh: What does that mean?

Tommy: So the street that I live on.

Josh: That's not impressive. You lived in the street where you had it?

Tommy: Call it fate.

Josh: Oh wait, you weren't living there at the time?

Tommy: No, no, no.

Josh: Oh, okay.

Tommy: I was a child.

Josh: Wait, you had it where you live now?

Tommy: Where I live now, 4 doors down was a restaurant and—

Josh: What was it called?

Tommy: I can't even remember. Some old Greek fish restaurant closed down 'cause of salmonella.

Josh: Is that really a reason to close down?

Tommy: Dude, they fucking got done by the health department. We survived it though. So we got this, he had this laser He was out the front, he's having a durry and he's pointing over this laser that he got from Bali and he's pointing it across the road. We get it all across the road. So that was my first into it. And then year 7, big into them, buying them.

Josh: Where would you actually buy them from?

Tommy: You know, those like tobacco shops, there's like sort of gimmick shops. There was a bunch, they don't sell them everywhere now, but my mate, so they're like the baby ones. Have you ever played with a fucking, like a legit laser? Like high-powered burn, like burn your skin, burn paper?

Josh: Probably, it's hard to tell 'cause I didn't do stupid shit with it. But in Thailand. Where'd you get this from? Thailand. Okay. And there was a lot of warnings on it and it was sick. I was doing so many.

Tommy: How big was it?

Josh: It was super long.

Tommy: Interesting.

Josh: But quite narrow. And so I was just pointing that shit.

Tommy: So highly illegal. You could go to jail if you shone that in someone's eye, you could fucking take it out. My mate, crafty fuck, bought online the bits, different bits. So it came all in like different transactions and he constructed this laser and you point this thing to them. We got it, we were out in the moon, like outside.

Josh: Out on the moon, how about the moon story?

Tommy: Yeah, this is coming to you live from the moon. We were pointing it at the moon. It legit looked like it touched the moon. Like, it went so far. I can't even— it was so bizarre. So bizarre.

Josh: On the moon?

Tommy: From what it appeared, the illusion that it cast was pushing it and pressing it towards the moon.

Josh: It just went all the way through.

Tommy: It looked like it never stopped.

Josh: But you could see the dot on the moon?

Tommy: No, the dot of the moon would mean that you can't see the laser that's being beamed. 'Cause what we could see was this beam of laser through the sky. And so if you hold it on an angle, you're just seeing it never end. So it gave the illusion that it went to the moon, but you can fully take down planes and shit with them. It's fucked, don't buy that shit.

Josh: Actually, the other thing that's an extension onto lasers is firecrackers. And I got a kid whose dad was actually a firefighter. He had a hookup of firecrackers.

Tommy: Fuck yeah, inside job.

Josh: Yeah, I bought like, a bunch. It was like the only time I ever did it was great. It was in, I put it in like a coin, like, you know, like a traditional, you're at a market selling and you have like a cash register thing, like a money box, but it's got a key. And I put them all in there and I just used to, I used to love sniffing, you know, I love sniffing things. I was fucking sniffing it. I love the smell. But I remember my dad found them and he said, if you're gonna keep these, we need to make sure they're okay. Which is such a bullshit thing.

Tommy: What does that mean? Let's go let him off?

Josh: Yeah, he wants to let him off. And so he like, Richie, so he got the fucking, got two bricks and he put the bricks down, he put the firecracker on it and then lit it. And then as he lit it, it fucking exploded.

Tommy: What?

Josh: It was like, it was fucked. Yeah, that was so—

Tommy: They were fucked?

Josh: And 'cause the other thing was that I think that one was one that my brother got from this like dude that he was working with who was like 60-something years old who had had it for 30 years. Yeah. And so it's like, it's got to be a little bit fucking fucked.

Tommy: So back in the day, there was, um, the laws of— this is pre-9/11, super loose. Like, travelling was so fucking loose.

Josh: I actually have been in a cockpit when I was a kid. Yeah, I went in a cockpit going to like Hamilton Island or whatever. That was a thing, doing your pencils and shit, and like, do you want to go up and and see the pilots. Like, yeah, sure.

Tommy: So I did that on the way over to Bali and mum and dad, I mean, whether they— yeah, they let us. We brought back— I brought back a rifle. It was a BB gun. It was like a cocked-down rifle. Put these little pellets in. We put it in the surfboard bag and it was like a lot. It was low power, but it's still— it's illegal to bring back.

Josh: So your parents, like, what was your parents' conversation about you bringing it back?

Tommy: Well, I think I think I'd let my kid have a BB gun.

Josh: Would you?

Tommy: Yeah, I don't care.

Josh: Where can they end up?

Tommy: I had a BB gun, it was so much fun.

Josh: How could that end?

Tommy: Shooting shit, shooting fucking little bits and bobs around the house.

Josh: We couldn't be trusted.

Tommy: Dents in the wall like I did. I have to accept that I will at some point receive the fucking dishing out of—

Josh: Because Gronks have Gronk kids.

Tommy: Potentially. And so mum and dad then also, we brought back some fireworks. There was some ones called goonleys, which were like sticks of dynamite.

Josh: It's so dangerous.

Tommy: We brought them back, but we got them through. This is the thing, you could back in the day, you could get contraband through. I mean, we're not doing— it's not drugs, it's not fucking a boogie board full of weed.

Josh: My parents wouldn't even allow us to have a dartboard because of the darts.

Tommy: Really?

Josh: Yeah, because the one— we were in Marimbula one time, it's just like anything my brother's doing stuff like I hit my brother with a golf club. Yeah, we were playing golf because he was cheating.

Tommy: You legit hit him?

Josh: I hit him, yeah.

Tommy: That's fucked up.

Josh: The thing is, it was—

Tommy: Gronkh move.

Josh: But the thing was, Mum and Dad were like out to dinner. Like they had one night where these people were like, they were holidaying, they had kids and they said, oh look, we can look after your boys if you like, you go away. Anyway, Mum and Dad got a call halfway through just being like, oh, one of your sons has hit the other son with a golf club. Mum was so angry. She said it was so embarrassing that they couldn't have dinner without me hitting James with the golf club. There's a lot of— what was the worst injury that you ever caused?

Tommy: I got another— I just want to ask you about the growing up thing. Were you allowed out? Like, so say maybe 10, 11, like, were you allowed by yourself down to the park?

Josh: No, I would have been too scared.

Tommy: You were too scared or you weren't like— you were restricted?

Josh: Nah, definitely it never felt like I could eat what I want at home.

Tommy: Okay, so you opted to stay indoors?

Josh: Yeah, like we had a good— Mum had sort of created a place that was fucking cool to hang in, I think.

Tommy: I was listening to a podcast recently with this guy talking about how important it is for kids to be able to go out by themselves. So it's like giving the trust in them. So I asked you, were you let out? Because there's a— like, we're living in a culture where people are very scared to let their kids out.

Josh: I was saying that there was a book that I want to read where there's an issue in Japan where people aren't leaving the house, they're not socializing.

Tommy: It's massive. And listening to it, I had a childhood of roaming around, just being a madman, skateboarding.

Josh: Street rat.

Tommy: Street rat. And there was other street kids that were more street ratty, like no curfew. So mom and dad let me out, but the danger of not like— and I think about it as a parent going, fuck, what if the kid gets taken? But what this guy was saying was The danger is understandable of letting your kid out to the park where he gets taken. The detriment of having a kid inside, like not what your situation, that was self-diagnosed. I'm not going anywhere. So having, so being inside and not letting your kid go outside, you can't see the effects it's having on your child. Whereas you see the effects if he comes home with a fucking broken arm, which is like sending alarm bells. Never again.

Josh: When was the first time you went on a train?

Tommy: Oh, by myself, grade 6, grade 5.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: Ran away once grade 6.

Josh: Yeah, probably. I reckon maybe 15. Yeah, wow. So, 'cause it's so different. But there was no info, but mum would drive.

Tommy: You're pretty far from the train station actually.

Josh: Yeah, train station and mum would drive us everywhere. You wanna go somewhere, mum would drive. I guess that's a good way of—

Tommy: I say this now, like about the let your kids out. It's such, it will be so different when Bodie's Can I go to the skate bowl with Trevor? And Trevor smokes bongs and I don't want those.

Josh: And Trevor is 45. It's The Daily Talk Show. Hi@thedailytalkshow.com if you want to send us an email. If you've got any suggestions of where we should have Fat Friday next, where should we eat? Yeah, I think we should do Mexican Cantina at some point. Yeah, I like that.

Tommy: Special OB.

Josh: Yeah. All right guys, have a great weekend.

Tommy: See ya.

Josh: Gotcha.