- January 10, 2019
The Daily Talk Show — Thursday January 10 (Ep 258) – Josh Janssen & Tommy Jackett
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, our mate Trevor Long, tech commentator and fruit infused water naysayer, joins the show from the Consumer Electronic show in Vegas! We chat about what CES is, what Trev’s been eating, the latest TV technology, smart devices, getting off social media and robotic vacuum cleaners.
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to be overseas it's when my kids love Oh my wife loves me most I think he's performing
I feel like every time we were speaking to your abroad doing exciting shit,
I feel like you're using me.
Look, you do it. You are pique interest point when you are in Vegas. Let's be honest, it's time to Sydney Rashmi go to Vegas you call me whatever
I am interesting facts you guys have never met. No I've never met trade
very true with Tommy and I were talking about before I was like Trevor and I have the ultimate internet friends.
Yeah, this is but then again I'll be honest automate most
people person I'm really not gonna deny to get a dinner tonight. It's all these people. So I've got five there's five of us here and there's probably 15 people at dinner and I say boys were up this end
on a have a conversation I can't be involved in that
where you are is probably where the technology is that is extending the gap between ever legitimately meeting a human being I'm on board
what's what's been the top so see yes can probably reset because a lot of people won't know what to say yes yes.
You tell it what is what do you say yes.
Monitoring along with technology coincide
This is the used to be called the Consumer Electronics Show they don't have it's not written anywhere anymore. They just for some stupid reason they like wait no, this is CES. So the Consumer Electronics Show CES they think because it's been going on 50 years that it's that big. They don't need to explain what C stands for anymore good on them but I still say it everywhere Consumer Electronic Show so you know I got I got a lot of shows every year but this is the biggest I say it's nine MC G's worth of exhibition space because it's the entire Las Vegas Convention Center by minus
minus the maid pies
no meat pies because it's outrageous. You know what let's not make cause anywhere in the world except Australia. Well, there is pi
live in New York they did.
Yeah, yeah. So the actually talking about the food. I have a chapter has you know true diary. Exactly. I've been to the convention I feel like I've been to the nationalist you've holding up a Kit Kat cheese what is that logo?
Is that the American kid catalog guys are out Let me tell you something. Yeah,
but I went to na Bay which I think is in the same big same place. They the food there there's not that many options. There's like pizza What's that? What's the deal? What are
you what is it there's a straight eight stole over my one shot and there's like a Chinese there. About three years ago I learned the food's rubbish. Yeah, so I started bringing like a mate from school. He loves cars and these cars he so he brought to me the stuff but he basically becomes a mother he looks after us. So what happens is again its massive and they give me a spicy so I got this little studio here where I can do my TV spots from we got an office downstairs. Yeah and last year for the first time we went to Walmart and we bought a fridge hundred 50 bucks bar fridge and we just loaded it with you know drinks juice water, apples bananas, chocolate. And this she we bought a slightly bigger fridge but he also bought a sandwich press and so fixing my went to Whole Foods if you've been Whole Foods it's unbelievably good. General food nice loaf of bread, some ham and cheese we're just having ham and cheese toasted
virgin lounge between the virgin lounge and this setup. You are literally just hating That isn't what I reckon that's the best part about the virgin lounge ease the title light there is a toasty
I have never had this year oh they're the so
my pancakes I got that automatic pancake maker
now and people don't people escape but they don't know what that means just gonna push the button they come out it's pretty good. But anyway, yet we digress. Ya know? So the see so you being there, your your job is different to what other people are there for like what are the main categories of the types of people at the event? Yeah, good points.
190,000 people come to the shot register to come to the show. general public not allowed. So if you live next door, you kind of come in here to register and pie your other and industry. Attendees. That means you work somewhere in the tech industry. You might be an analyst or an engineer. You're an exhibitor. So someone that's actually exhibiting the the media bet 5000 Media. The bulk of them, though, are retailers. So it staggers me when I when I think about a bit say Harvey Norman, for example, might have a best as I know about 20 or 30 people here. There's an RSA guy, but it could be a mineral it I don't know. But there's a guy in charge on audio. It's not a robot. Why not that advanced. The there's someone in charge of Bluetooth audio, there's someone in charge of TV, there's somebody in charge of every single small minute category of basically aisles at Harvey Norman. And their job is to come here and walk around and see stuff that they might want to sell. And then find the person that he's in charge have a meeting with them talk about you know, quantities, you know, potential delivery dates, selling prices do do a deal to be exclusive, whatever. And then at some point bringing to Australia most of them are just like the TV guys pretty easy job because he's been wooed. Like they're, they're the ones that are out at night at the clubs, getting boozy dinners because they're being rude. They they they're trying to do deals with these companies. So yeah, they're essentially the majority of retail deals being done so it's Michael bright for some people, some people it's kind of sad. You see some someone he was like, couple years ago, there was a black widow, electronic toothbrush that taught you kids you know how to you know, brush your teeth properly. Listen, like just get the digital Tommy you put it on by the sink and you're making push the two minute but
all these Phillips and other brands that are doing that shit already. Yeah,
So that's why it takes so many. I don't think it got picked up. And it's probably trying to find his next good products. There's a lot of people who don't succeed. But you know, then there's Samsung, and LG and Sony who have got booths as we call them displays the size of alumni, almost a football field here.
What price would people be paying? What would some poor bloke who's got it for the booths for it? Yeah, for a toothbrush, both?
My they would firstly they wouldn't be here at the convention center. They'd be over at what we call Eureka Park, which is in one of the casinos. It's a it's a lower floor of the casino Conference Center. They basically don't even roll that carpet. It's, you know, booths, the just a wall and no, they're probably paying a couple thousand dollars. And good luck getting someone there. Like we have five people I've got, I sent one guy over there for today, he probably won't make a bet that he would have seen one 10th of it. Like it's literally rolling a dice so hard. We get 1000 emails a day because he got on a mailing list once he registers media,
those mailing lists. Well, I just know even not being in media going to these, like event say in a Bay's more sort of open to anyone and you scan your card and before you know it they sending it constant emails. I want to know what's the what's the vibe, like when they say that you're Australian? Did I say Australia as a small market for a lot of businesses? What did I say it is an opportunity area with the via
most normally bitterly disappointed to say me. Because first night, there's a there's a separate event that gets put on called unveiled big room in a big hotel down the strip. And again, someone's paying big bucks, someone charges them like 10 grand to come to this thing, but it's all media. So this is people who want attention. So that event everyone wants to say especially like I have a camera crew with me and a TV crew. Like he was like old cameras, you know, like I love it. But then when you're on the conference floor, they look in the Harvey Norman Yeah. So you gotta Can I might and they like, okay, so they do get excited that you're struggling because I think he's a global market. Yeah. Then you gone from the press, we got a press kit, can I take some photos and like, you know, they're actually disappointed. But I don't get a sense that Australia is the market that everyone wants to break into. But Australia is recognized as an unbelievable early adopter market like we pay good premiums for for stuff. So we will adopt the expensive things. And we're happy to be early on it. But you do need a Europe or in America to be part of that. It's not going to fly with just Australia.
You see anything that you've seen so far that we are ridiculously behind on.
Now, we're not you know, we're not behind. We're touch behind on TVs. That's just because Samsung made a decision to launch some stuff in America like last year, but we're not in you. You Tommy means a lot about Telstra and mobile networks and internet. Well, we are so far ahead. In general on mobile, that there's a lot of talk about 5g for example, like our mobile networks so much faster than America. Technology wise in terms of gadgets. We have got most of the good stuff. We don't have a lot mobile phones. So in America they are getting the Xiaomi which is a Chinese company. They make some seriously slick phones. We don't get nice because they're small market. Like you might be importing them off Cogan, but you're not buying them at a retail store. So we don't get the full range of things. But we've got most of the good stuff. So we're pretty good. But there was a time and Josh remember when Apple would announce something it'd be like available tomorrow and in Australia in three months. But now we're available in Australia UK you
we get a first now thanks to the timezone timezone. Yeah, yeah.
If you order three Telstra, they'll forget your order like me.
He was really holding
the five, the five g thing? What is the Is there any specific technologies or gadgets that are using this 5g? Like what is because I saw some way that people like in America, as you said, they talking about it they getting excited about it sounds like the rollout is going to be like pretty small, like it's going to be only in select cities. But what can you actually do with 5g outside of just having a faster phone and what is five day To be honest, I 5g
is the next version of mobile networks about 4g, it creates a different level of coverage. So in some places deeper into buildings in some places, wider coverage, but it's a faster lower latency, which means you know, the speed at which you initiate the communication and much faster speeds. Now, you know, retail consumer world will talk about it being super fast and hundreds of megabytes, gigabytes, whatever, your mobile phone when it finally comes 5g, I guarantee you don't really notice because like Netflix isn't buffering today. And having massive issues, people like you and I will notice because like i we'd leave sometimes you have that moment where you can't get a file from this device to that device and you go you know what, I'll pull on Dropbox, and then I'll get on the other one. It's just so much easier. So there will be benefits for people like us in in rich media in terms of video and things. The average Joe, not No, no huge change on your mobile phone at home, though. Plenty of people who either don't have NBA don't want NBA or just want to use a telco for the speed will get a little 5g box in the corner. And that'll be their Wi Fi network and their internet. If you're renting perfect because you just take it with you to you next time and you move and your internet comes with you. They'll be home internet will be the first thing we'll see in the next six months. And then later in the year, there'll be some phones announced but really 5g is for autonomous cars, like connected cows like stuff that is mind blowing that we're not even thinking about because of that low latency. The importance of dad like if you're driving an autonomous car or sitting in autonomous car, and there's another one next to you those cars will be communicating with each other to let them know that we're thinking about going that way with him big and that way. And if it's a bit lagging on the network, there's going to be crash Yeah, 5g, low latency all that stuff will happen at a much more reliable right so it's actually in all that space. Yeah, that it's that it's going to make it my
you're wearing multiple hats and I guess Actually no, no, but there's so many hats have fallen off. EFT M is your main thing where everything sort of then sort of stems out from you got your podcast? Is there anything in the podcast base or stuff that you're actually excited about from a content creator point of view or is this not the place for this sort of
not like on a show like I would actually love to go to see which you've been to last year and NAB that I think I'd I'd spend too much money so it's probably not a good idea for me to go Yeah. Because you know, the road caster is the best thing has happened to podcasting. Yeah, again, it's this so there's a big show in Berlin sorry Berlin every called ether and it's like a lot of appliances and then there's Mobile World Congress in Barcelona. It's a lot of you know, telco Telstra talking to Qualcomm and it's not very Newsies for me and moms and dads in the audience. This show all that moms and dads watching TV gonna be what's the next chances? Hey, he's a robot vacuum which robots gonna clean your home what she companion robot and future of cars like it's more real people stuff. And as much as we love that podcasting real people couldn't give a rat's Why
are they talking so much about i k. TVs? Do you think the real consumer is going to notice or see like how they how are the brands communicating it?
pissing contest mainly? To be honest, I have spent an extraordinary amount of time looking at ik because I didn't go to Korea with Samsung, almost specifically to be brainwashed about 8k but I'm smart enough to know what was you know, right and what was wrong. in eternity you'll understand the way a good ik TV upscaled 4k is phenomenal. Yeah, and that there's this weird thing about the depth that you can see in the picture, you know, that there's no like restoration of the lines. It does look deep and you can notice a difference. Yeah, but I'm I don't have a great I like bad eyesight. I just don't really see the difference like massively so I wouldn't buy Nike TV like I'd be happy with a 4k. But I'd
be happy with a TV trip. I've got none I actually don't
you've got a sick us.
what's the what's your view on HDR feels like that was a big thing last year, and they still talking about it? And I actually haven't seen them in real life.
Yeah, what's the deal? Hi, HDR Dolby Atmos Dolby Vision, all amazing terms. Every time I get demonstrated HDR and Dolby they said that. They show the scene with clouds in the sky, a bright sun coming through and they like a lot of shadow. And so the concept is that the the color in the picture comes through where it's shiny, but also in that bright light, you can still see the clouds is not all washed out. Genuinely, it works. I can see difference. If I'm watching a movie, am I going to notice that my mates doesn't ever HCR TV? I do. I'm not. So I'm not rushing out to buy a TV because because it's got HDR. The thing that I do like that I've seen he this year is a high sense. For example, focus on the software. So their interface when you press the menu button, when you press the home button, what comes up? What does it look like, but they've got a good device. But the it's going to be faster this year. Because if you know, tweaked it, it's going to have Netflix recommendations built in because I don't want to have to go home, Netflix, Trevor, and then see my last thing that's four clicks to get to my last thing. So on a Samsung TV for the last couple of years and now on a high sense in 2019. I press home, there's that there's my last watch program, I just scroll down and click and I'm, I'm watching the show, I don't need to go into Netflix. I'm going straight to the program. So the integration of the things we watch into the software of the TV is phenomenal and like that's the big difference between bonded Cogan, you know drawn with Kogan, they make good TV, but you don't get that integration of Netflix and stand and Amazon Prime. And if you think five years ahead when the numbers of people doing those streaming services will be extraordinary. It's just going to make it so much easier to to watch that content that that's what's exciting. And there is some good stuff happening in that space
at what a whole bunch of rich people's houses that I've been to in my life. I feel like they've been the casualty of dropping huge coin on systems that have just got out days really quickly like the Bang and Olufsen all that stuff. You see, they're still there either holding on to them because they spend so much money on them. What like, is that gone? Those days of dropping huge still there.
Two years ago, LG announced their wallpaper TV. So old Best TV combined, no question, right? Beautiful. And they're thin, like the thickness of a mobile phone. But actually 50% of that is just the glass of the middle holding the screen up. And OLED screen. I'll be in the LG factory in Korea, and our lead screen is flexible. It's like a you know, Rolf Harris wobble board. And so it can actually be curved. And so what they did, they went will take them the flexible bit, get rid of the backing, and we'll stick it on the wall. And we'll put the guts of the TV, the HDMI the TV, turn it into the sound bar and make you look amazing. It's two millimeters off the wall. It's a TV It looks so good this year. And so that was two years ago 20 to $35,000. And they sold a few like that definitely sold many industries
buying wood is Harvey Norman, putting in an order for that type of thing.
Harvey Norman soldo lg put displays in their main stores and they sold I literally don't know maybe it's 1000 maybe 200. I don't know, but they sold some this year. So you're the blog that spent 30 or $40,000 three years ago for this beautiful thing because you've got let's say you've got a VISTA over I don't know what's a base and killed by whatever you know, Port Philip Baker or whatever. Yeah.
Blast. See, Melbourne doesn't have as many good options.
You've got this glass Vista, and you've stuck a TV on there because it's beautiful. It looks good that way. So this year, but we don't know how much money but trust me 10s of thousands. Forget what blocking the view of the TV. You buy a box and it's it all calm I left side 65 inch TV so the width of a 65 inch TV plus a bit but then it's maybe 25 centimeters tall 25 centimeters deep. And the width of the TV wide in that box. Is it TV rolled up like a garage door. Right so the screen is rolled up in there you press the power button little flap opens and the TV goes 10 seconds and there's a TV so you beautiful victories block when you watching TV but when you turn it off? Hello ocean kids mind buying phenomenal going on sale this year. I won't ever meet anyone that owns one yet if they want to give me one all all absolutely take it.
But I mean how what's the life on these products? Because I'm guessing that long
until we say them on nitrogen?
No, no, I just want to go into that. But going into that and going out rolling in rolling out Surely there's wear and tear on the pixels to be
yes to be bought. See LG are the only people the LG Display, which is a separate business to LG Electronics. Just to be clear, it's early. But so they've been making old LED panels, the panel bit without actually manufacturing your TV out of it for like five 610 years. They've worked it out. So they've been doing this up and down for you know, years. I think I don't think they'd bring it to market if they hadn't tested it for you know, 10,000 roll up and downs. Yeah, yeah, I mean, you pay $35,000 in five years from now under Australian Consumer Law. Trust me it just still work.
Yeah, absolutely. The car stuff you know, you cars you got Boeing, they're helping you with the car coverage. What is the tech stuff like is a anything that's coming out at Yes, that we don't know already know, as consumers to it's bullshit.
Really? Not gonna lie. Just bomb we've talked about it. Like it's like they come up with ideas just for CES. Now, we might look back in 10 years and go that I remember that at CES in 2018. But my niece's ID was talking about the metaverse are living now that is the metaverse on your note autonomous car and you're you're either bored or lonely or just wanna have a chat you wearing a virtual reality headset and you press a button and like Mark Zuckerberg plan of having these kind of weed Second Life meeting rooms you just Josh to me in the comments on so we can be drug we've never met in real life but Josh
having a chat because he's sitting at home like Al Bundy with his hands in his pants with virtual reality headset on on a sitting next to him in a car and we have a chat now I said to the boys and I said Wouldn't it just be easier not to go from a place a to place being sit at home and have that virtual conversations? I don't know why that's a car thing. Yes, it is been announced something tonight with Garmin so that your Garmin vivo fit smartwatch is linked to the car so it knows our the mood or your health or something in the seat will like give you a message Have you done a lot of workout today or something. I mean, these kind of things are fun, that's a real thing. But most of it is pie in the sky high and I have this thing that's like a looks like a vehicle we'd send to Mars. So it can you know go over rocks and stuff and it rises up in the in the wheels or then on legs and it can actually walk so that it can get over terrain. The tweet looks a bit like those Boston Dynamics crazy ass robot. And then they go but a use of that he's like in an earthquake. This thing could drive essentially over rubble and deliver Emergency Relief to People you guys. That's a good idea. No bad but don't think they're gonna build in any day, sir. Nice. So yeah, because I think he's a bit more of a high hi thought. Yeah, future vision is what we think and let's just see how it's received kind of stuff
is Tesla there. Now is no no,
Apple, Microsoft never here is Tesla.
Tesla get more hype than they deserve. Do you think drove 100%
I know. They've just up until now. They've deserved everything they've got because they've absolutely lead the way in electric cars. And most there's probably 15. Tesla's in CES on display because everyone wants to be kind of affiliated they've got one they've done something to it or whatever. Panasonic had won a couple years ago because I think they helped with the infotainment auto know what, but the thing is now horses bolted. I drove a Jaguar I pace in like the four days before I came here. I've never driven anything walk. It was the most spectacular car. And I've got my money down for a Tesla Model three. So I'm I'm in the queue. Yeah. But this thing made me go out jag go make a better car than Tesla.
What I just want to think that goes North 100. And in the billions of Brazilians of a second. All electric cars go fast. It's electric effect. So I think the time is coming to an end,
really. So the big skirt, you know, like when I think of Tesla, I think of sort of the entertainment system as well. Just that big screen. The the issue that I have with all of this stuff is everything seems to be across all these companies is proprietary. It's walled garden, it's like select an ecosystem with specifically what I'm thinking about is the smart speakers. The Amazon echo the room. Yeah, like,
big speak. Microsoft Cortana. Don't forget the big two back. No one's heard of what I've been how
like, yeah, how do we decipher all of this? What do we like I'm moving into a place soon. And like, I want to have a couple of legal debate about that. Yeah, I know, she's gonna be very disappointed.
She's asking how can you have a dinner party with no one that he that actually is there,
but it's in a virtual world? Now what I want to know is, what if I should I get a fucking Amazon Echo? Or should I get the Google Home? Or could you
really in Australia,
America, does that changed? Things are now
I guess, banana? I mean, he was a multi using Amazon Prime right now. Maybe in four years, five years.
He's looking at me like he bought a lot of books. Yeah, we go on. I want to understand this. I can't
read fucking books. The thing is, Google has a stranglehold in Australia, because they've just sold so many devices, because they they hit the right time, the right place.
Away from fucking like you did anything.
Please buy some shopping gets get a Google Home, right?
The strategy's working. The thing is, I think Google has the best tentacles in every place. So you can buy so many products now that are Google Home integrated look that said, it's it's not um, it's not a huge hitting terms of the number of products. But you do need to choose an ecosystem today. So maybe thinking about your situation, you do know the Amazon ecosystem, you do use it. Maybe there's more benefiting you. But I would have thought you're also a bit of a Google user. Well, I don't have
Google accounts that the issue is I've got about 40. Google accounts. I've sort of committed to one calendar.
my calendar is with big media company, which is like a through the businesses, right? And that Yeah, and
then I had bought Google Home. Yeah, I bought google home. I can't use it. I can't use my ATM slash travel on account. is a Google sweet g sweet. I pay fucking money for it every month. It's not like turn on a Google Home. I set up my account. It says your email address is not valid. You can't tell me if I can't. I can't say hey, Google wants some Adele or dari. Tomorrow, she goes, I can't read your calendar. And I'm kind of money and like, kind of enable that feature.
Is product. Yeah. Yes. The killer in the pipeline. Do you know they can they introduce that?
That they say like that? They can't even give me answers. But the thing is the most g sweet accounts are not like you and me. A couple of small business people right? There a big corporation with 500 employees. And they can't just take a box because it might ruin everything on the corporate. Right. That's why it's like that in their defense. But it's it's a huge slice of market. I would have thought so basically, unless you've got a [email protected] account. Google Home is a pain in the ass. So enjoy Alexa, buddy.
Do you have with your your running Android one?
I've got an Echo Dot I'll send it to you.
Perfect. I appreciate it. The you were saying? I get free stuff from
the Tommy thought What am I getting?
Tell me things were basically married. So it's like a 50%. I've got a 50% of the you couldn't do FaceTime. You're not doing it message. Are you? So you're using Android at the moment?
Yeah, I've been using so my son goes in high school next year. What we the answer to a question about a mobile phone But see, I think so he's he's had he's had a mobile device at his disposal. He didn't realize it was his number and I'm paying for it and it's fine. He can use every day. Yeah, he just didn't use it every day. So I get the question what phone Should I get my kids and I tell them the cheapest one and then my son could literally have any phone because I've got them all. sitting in my office. sending my wife we probably can't give him a $2,000 you know, wow, I made 20 because you're probably break it and then he'll just expect another one. So I used for three weeks for Christmas. I use the $440 Wow, I know over three I and you know what? I thought it was fucking great. Yeah, good, fine. Had no dramas, it was great. And then I went fuck them. I've got the best while I find in the planet right here. I'm going to use it so I then upgraded myself to the what is the Huawei might 20 my view best phone on the market today. Triple lens camera three times in single time. Wide Angle really fast. Great fine. I'm loving it. And so in the end I gave my son $220 while I find and he's a happy boy. So yeah, I am I've actually escaped the apple ecosystem. I'll switch back to an Apple iPhone at some point. Yeah, when Apple take me on a trip because Jesus Christ the destiny they give you when you don't have an apple phenomenal
last time we spoke to you were at the apple HQ in San
Francisco. upset at strawberry Water
Water Water Water Just give me water
the so the Android so you think you will stick with I live and breathe WhatsApp now?
Yeah, so there's still still a couple of people who've got my like a really really old iCloud account in their contacts and so they I got still got a Mac installed. I miss each every few hours. I see the messages. But man, what's up is so good. Have they got us desktop? Yep. Oh, I didn't stop up. Oh, that's great. What's up? I just have what's up. I've been in browser all the time. Right now. They're just coming up on my screen.
I think the last time you told me that as well. I've got it yet. But that's you know, being across the computer. And the phone I think will make a difference on the the sound thing. Do you think so nos, ease in trouble? Or do you think that they just produce a superior product in regards to sound
I would have said a year ago they're in trouble. But they look like they're taking a smart approach by integrating so they've incorporated Apple airplay. I think they'll have Google Home and Alexa built in. So you can still be this snobby premium sauce owner and have the Google and the Alex is stuff. But in the end, they market a copy as good as it ever was. Because there's so many other options out there. They're just like, I wouldn't buy songs right now because I'm smart enough to be able just use a Bluetooth speaker in every room kind of thing. And I found this because I'm multi remote here.
I've got the old son OS like the the original play fives or whatever. Yeah, so that is that. Like, because we're all thinking of
Levi's got them at the same time and have kept them for the time. I
actually think I think that might be right. Lucky Maeve Knievel was he was leaving. So he didn't he didn't care that much.
If I've ever had an inside bloody conversation Exactly. Now I'm confused.
Several times on the show. He said several times on the show that back in the Melbourne geek days he was sentenced was never going back. Exactly.
Thanks for resetting that not
only that, but I did I did some stuff that they're actually called playback was what's on us was the distributor. And they got me to do a video for them. And it was a contra deal. So I got to play fives and then I think two of the play threes might be the the the ones that were given to me on line
was the one that much out of the Sonos ecosystem. I don't think I've turned my phone in a while and I was given one as a contract for running some ads on the podcast, some songs heads a few months ago, and I gave it away as a competition because people love songs. Why not? But yeah, I think speakers is a cool thing. Like there's so many of them around that it's very hard to go wrong with speakers you know, like I don't I don't think if you have a price point there's always a good speaker you know, you get a job Yo, you get a Sony very hard to convince someone to buy something that's worth so much money. We've got a Bose thing in the office at the moment and it's got a screen on it does Alexa, you know, it's great, but it's a probably a lot of money just to have a reasonable quality sound. That's it I'd happily recommend for 499 an Apple iPod best quality sound you'll you'll hear in such a small device. So
theory I just find Siri like I saw someone doing the example of the that we're using Siri to get the lights to turn on. And just seeing the process of Siri filling the screen on the phone to and then like it seems like it's a delayed response
is Apple's biggest problem. Yeah, Siri was born years before Google Assistant and Amazon Alexa. But she's dumb compared to them.
She's my wig. We're good together. She can tell you the time and what the weather's gonna be but she can't really tell you much more like she's she struggles to really be as good as the Google Assistant stuff. So the apple home pod that if you love music, and you have Apple Music subscription is outstanding. But Apple doesn't know the difference between me and my wife. So I can't add things to my calendar and all that it does not like it shouldn't be smart enough yeah should be smart enough. Like I link my iTunes account to Apple home pod my kids are like hey play shotgun by Georgia Hey play these and all that shit goes into my favorite because I play them so much that it becomes if Apple things I like that means Yeah.
She's using for you to recently viewed
Yeah, what Tommy Tommy seems to love the wiggles but
yeah, I'm a big fan. The so if someone had to pick if you were to get a smart device in general, whether it be the lights like the Philips Hue or the effects of life X heavy say it like what is the fit? What do you think is the best first device into the whole smart home thing that you aren't going to have to replace in a year's time because it's going to be made redundant by something else? I bought the the Google Home mini or the Amazon Echo Dot both 7050 bucks, then I'd buy I bought two things. I'd buy a Philips Hue light bulb Yeah. And I would buy a like an Alec or a TP link or dealing switch so they look like an old old school double adapter plug into a PowerPoint and they've got another PowerPoint on the other side of it. And so you plug the eye and you know you plug a lamp been lucky bedside lamp most people have a bedside labor of some sort plug that in there. And you program it you call in the bedroom you call it the lamp and then from then on you can say Hey Google turn on turn the bedroom lamp on Hey Google, turn all the lights off. And that's it. You need to you need to grow that familiarity with talking to your host Yeah, that's the problem most people have is I want to talk to a thing Siri has that problem. Yeah, so you need to grow that familiarity with the the desire to talk to a thing an inanimate object Yeah, so do something like that that makes you go and it's also something you're saying might turn the camera turn the lounge room light blue and you know it does and they go out to the green and you know have some fun with it and you like you've got to buy a light bulb or switch to the legend or the lamp or if your wife keeps leaving on or you do what for the iron and then just when you're driving to work just check that it's off you know stuff like that is fun. Yes, not mind blowing, it's very easy to set up and then get a really good subscription to you know, Apple Music or Spotify or whatever it is so that you play music and really start to enjoy music again. I think most people still don't appreciate how good Spotify is for learning and discovering music. I don't mean I haven't listened to a new song myself the decades I'm still listening to find them and stuff.
Well all my old musics never getting new trips
this is the thing right but Spotify will throw up something that's you know john Denver and I'm like I would never have typed that in yeah good song. Yeah.
They give you they give you the Johnny Rockets milkshake and you happy they know exactly what you what you taste
hey listen always on Sunday night we were at a big event that one of the meteor event I had to kind of stay there and that they always need on a current fake was never put your name on the screen. They always need what I call intro shot so just short of you not talking just doing something so they can say and take an extra trip along said and so they got there's a pinball machine This is just play the pinball tonight beautiful. Apply it's a Beatles pinball machine on planet away and on that we're into music like that account not single. I fucking said
you know what they used on the TV tonight. I saw it a bit of me singing I'm late.
I met Linda Richards at the moment and they've obviously got ici on religiously Yeah, there you pop up.
Man You missed me I was on 25 minutes
ago. This is the only way I stay call them relevant with my parents. He's you being on ACI because I got this tray of trips on Can you do a see a headline about trade?
Josh do Okay, so what you're the host but you're also going to write your own scripts. Yeah, so the brief is it off the back of the dodgy builder Yeah, we're going to cross to Las Vegas to the biggest consumer tech show on the world here we go
the pressure is huge trip
from Georgie builders to Georgie singers Trevor long a Las Vegas
the number is I think consuming or live ICF now all the content on I'm not on any fucking social network but I do log into the daily talk show Twitter they do a great job as
if I can we just stop for a second yeah and it's such a fucking call
don't get me don't get yeah Tommy well for yesterday
we had a blob on the show saying that when Josh left social media who does the social media it's all on the the other person on the show that has social media sir
but I have been ya know, Twitter is probably the last like just having it on the the daily talk show otherwise wouldn't even the worst of the drug. But the thing is, I only have on the daily talk show. I think you're about the only person that we see that doing content. Like there's nothing else on on Twitter.
ABC always be content. It always
truth. Twitter is like speed. It like doesn't do a great deal just keeps you awake for smart. He's irritated.
See, oh, you know, there's five of us writing articles doing shit that it's hard to keep track of. So I sit on the way over here citizen, we do have a social media strategy. And that is don't post to Facebook. Yeah, I've paid someone to just look at the site for two hours every day and just put it all up on face. Okay. Nice. What about Twitter? I said just whatever you want. Yeah. Because it's, it's been it's gone. Like so just post it doesn't matter if I post something and then you do that matter. Like it's just content, you just have to post it. So the funny medium Twitter and you're addicted social media.
Is there any way that we can, from a technology point of view, actually spend less time on this stuff like this screen time that's coming all these things to try and limit it? Is there any hardware, or any devices that are specifically designed to actually switch off I know, it's pretty counter.
The ones that you know, screen time, what you need to need, what you actually should do?
So I've retired from social media and you know, I've really finally account I finally retired. I'm not on social media, but the only thing I got is he just said
you're on Twitter.
I know it's sort of like retired, but I go in one day away just to help with the books. You know, I'm just I'm the retired accountant to Spain, like you look oh, I'm happy to do the reconciling for you. It's very low. So I'm actually very good. It's like I've cut off but I'm wondering what they
told me will get the shit sooner or later with how much he's having to do.
But it's over it's already happened. And so there's nothing there's no tech out there that could could help us
take it so i think i respect what you've done but I think it's crazy because in this world as a businessman Yeah, and a content creator it's fucking stupid because it's essentially a pitch and your output and you need to know what's going on. So I think it's all about limits and you knew that will you knew you knew that we had a problem you need to implement limits my economy before here we would have sat down and said Thomas your dad yeah create a family sharing accounts blockchains making me dead and then what Tommy could have done was set up actual rules that said only five minutes a day on this and that and the apps just closed down they get to us but they closed down the power imposed limits don't work the power
Tommy is going fucking crazy because I installed to nest cams in the office and he thinks it's an opportunity to use the two way function every single time I come in. He gets a notification he feels like he needs to say Hey, what are you doing? Yeah, it What have you the best
I mean what's the limit? I I feel like this can be an interesting time where all of this smart stuff all the security cameras all the what's the the the ring the you know the doorbell Have you created any limits for the kids to say now it's not appropriate to be using the video camera to listen to the conversations mom and dad are having it hit
that point yet thankfully, Jesus I even thought about to be on the look. We don't have we only have one camera inside the house. Yeah, not sure what to one upstairs one downstairs. They're in non you know, private areas. The ones in the hallway down sorry,
six rested. Yeah.
No kidding. No. Yeah, absolutely. And, and on it.
They're the ones I forget to charge most of the time and all that kind of stuff. But on it go well, maybe maybe the kids will get access to the cameras at some point. But my you gotta have that would be very simple, hard and fast rule like there'd be no there'd be no excuses on that. Yeah, but maybe it's fun. But when you first get them it's fun or when we put a nice camera Dan stays in the office when we just when we first moved in john boy who's new and doesn't really have all this stuff. Like he's never had an this camera or anything before. He's like Tommy, he's like
what are you doing? My aware of? Yes. Okay.
So you know, it's gonna get to it like have you had to create limits for your kids, what are the the
kids so our kids have technology limits, they have screens time. If they want a daily they get a daily, but some days we just do too much and you don't get it but essentially they get an hour a day. And they know the limit and we count it down for them. I have imposed partial screen time limits on their devices but there's a risk to that because then during school holidays, the time limits are different. It's very, very weird. But essentially my kids are pretty good my kids get wireless screen time and they made it back and they hate it. But if she are like I look at kids who are on the screens all the time playing Xbox and stuff I just and there's kids in my son's key who are on on Instagram I follow them all and I just look look at the sheet that they posted like a What is this rubbish and what are you doing this 11 o'clock at night for
Have you ever traveled Have you ever traveled them in the trawling trail actually using
that that that I think that might be you know grounds for some
you having second thoughts Josh by stone.
Right. Nice. We getting to I still get to connect with Trevor. I've got WhatsApp The thing is that I can then still reach out it's making me have to be more thoughtful on things because the funny thing is, I was thinking about it because say for instance with Sydney The reason I didn't we didn't contact you in city was because I saw on the daily talk show Instagram I'm like you getting ready and spending time with a fan. I'm like the last thing fucking trip and AIDS in December. And so I made the cold based on social media. If I'm fucking idiot
look at three kids all a Skype meeting
that was held. Tommy was like mine. I've got all week.
But so I find that it's good for like so see. Yes, I'll have to like say if it was a thing where it's like we want to make sure that we have fucking Trayvon when CES is on like I'll have to make I went remember that shit off by heart. I would actually I'm gonna have to stop putting things in calendars to remember things. Remember when your birthday
is no just don't say it last was just last had. How do you keep in contact with us? Because I've listened. Yeah, I've listened intently and I've thought I know my could spend less time I know I could Yeah, yeah, but how do I delete Facebook? Oh, gotta run an HTM Facebook page. You know, we have lots of people that connect with their Twitter and Instagram. Not that big, but there's still people looking and I feel like I'll be letting them down. So now I can't do it. And maybe you've got this weed. You know holier than now buddy. I'm reading books and write a book by hand. brainy to get married.
You need to get
out fashion travel. Yeah, the thing I appreciate with Trevor he still drinks fat coke. You don't even do your full full fat coke.
I respect that but I know I don't like it because
Coke Zero Coke Zero I feel like shit. Do you think I think it tastes the fucking same? No
we're at a dinner tonight night and see the problem of Vegas is there's a Pepsi and Coke war big time in the US much more than in Australia. So some places are just Pepsi joints. Some places it just talked to us but they don't tell you yes I can have a coke please. Yes you're bringing a Pepsi sat down I said this this girl from appliance retailer magazine said this will be a Pepsi just watch Pepsi. I can tell that shit. I'm all I can tell a dot zero I can do a line up any day. Well, they're doing right all the way
they have the machines where you can get about 40 different flavors.
Shane's got corn syrup,
in the coke over there in the in the machines Yeah,
there is that shipping the flow flavors. What would like if you do you
were at the Bellagio buffet the other night and I just got a coat that one of the high
and a buffet you just got a coke.
You got food you got photo you got some food
as a drink.
JOHN got a creaming was someone going to clean creaming cider. Yeah. What's that? Someone else got a I think it was.
It was probably what that is really darkly
and purple is we got the flavors because you said it's one machine one Nosal and it just whatever you want comes out Yeah.
It's not ideal. And how do you keep in touch right kids while you're Why have they got Have you got rituals?
So this is an interesting one about the iPhone thing because my kids have all got I pads or iPods? Yeah. And so we faced on them. They don't message me much. I'd prefer if they just text me all the time. It'd be so cute and cool. But they actually just FaceTime now and then. But what happens is all would just FaceTime my wife. And here's what happens. My wife says it to me on the phone. Then she goes, puts it down and says it and I'm looking at the ceiling. And then and so now what's up? I'll just watch that video. It's as good as FaceTime. Yeah, and now so my wife for example, earlier, she was she was bagging me about something I did on a car fair or something and I see the cinema Tina go away. And then she said now's a good time to call has finished. So she just saying listen, the kids it's in between, you know, dinner and bedtime. Don't call it bedtime cuz that'll just rollin up. So yeah, let's face it. You say I'm
dealing with Pepsi situation here. I've got Pepsi trauma work. Yeah,
exactly. I can't do
10 minutes before I had to go on TV but I know that I want to talk for too long. I just want to tell me what they didn't they die. They want to tell me what they doing tomorrow? And I'll tell me they've been good to them. I'm even though they haven't been and yeah, just an obstacle. As long as we get some form of video. Contact me this. This is the worst week four because it is pretty much like a 19 hour day for me but we find some way and it works out. Plus they watch the blogs. So we do a vlog every day. Every day.
Is that on YouTube?
Yeah, it's on you know, the primary place like the views Come on Facebook. We're on YouTube. This is a record. Yeah,
yeah. And they said shit loads of fun. I mean, it's nearly one I am they're in Vegas isn't getting close. Look, I wasn't going to refer to that. But
now the image
Do you sleep?
slave or what's the deal I'll get I'll get four or five hours before I want to go just a whole segment for the today show to walk around and film all day tomorrow. But
on the segment thing I was showing Tommy and I mentioned to actually on the show last week about your last year you had a hip airbag and I had so much joy when I saw the video of you in a vest and seat we we had it going back and forth back and forth playing stopping quite Tommy's I go back to frames. Can you describe
this part about that? Yeah, so these blogs from France where they were they remembered me from last year so I knew it was I came and I said bring three charges for the you know it's like a compressed a cylinder because they said to me on the Sunday night they said it won't fit you too fat big I say look let's see what it looks like unzipped and and we'll do it yeah and then if it doesn't work we'll put it on you will test it and then we'll do it for real so have enough charges. So they come in and we fit it in the bloke from France is like like it fits you It looks
Looks It was not when I turned sideways now I like
to tell him to get fact so
yeah, absolutely. So 15 minutes before the segment went away. It was live we had to do a test on internet at work so I need to know what's going to happen. And there was four or five other products being brought to me the day some sunglasses whatever. And those people were all here waiting. So this like I'm not gonna I'm gonna beat around the bush when they walk in the scenes it looks like they fucking warring a suicide vest not shooting Yeah, there's wires coming out of it. There's a battery and there's a button did man trigger yet? So they're warming up and they put it on and it's you know, don't press the button now Wait, wait, we're wired up and we're doing a test Okay, everyone Okay, here we go. 5432 thing and it's like really loud The first time you hear Yeah, and realized four or five of the people had no idea what it was scared that Jesus made them all nearly fall over. And then we did the real one on TV and it was it was good content my
crash doesn't kill you the explosion of the vitriol.
It's actually funny you mentioned the sound because Tommy and I gave away a ham in December as sort of a response to hockey all across and the sound that the confetti cannon made we weren't really expecting we weren't expecting to let it off outside. But it looked like some sort of renderers Christmas incident It was a nightmare. And so Rob who was who was sort of implied or they were trying to laugh and like play it all down but it was Think about all that mess right? Yeah,
they have those on the Today show there's two of those sitting like behind the set you know set so I have two of them sitting there for the cash call every morning. So if the cash go gets I think it's above $10,000 to 20 or more have them that someone's saying they ready right? They call the Angela three rings and the funny thing is they pull the thing someone wins and they've got like three minutes to clean up it's like they should do a time lapse of a great video because they want to clean the whole studio in three minutes before the ad break or whatever comes back that sheets Missy just gonna blow up
that's not bad.
The robot vacuums I remember hearing like years ago that they'll just a bit of a joke have they gotten good and do they can they tell that there's fucking dog shit and not smear it all over the carpet?
So yes in partially so they're very good another one that we use is called ego Vax it's got like a on top of it's got a LIDAR which is the stuff to used in autonomous cars to see
obviously like a light I can tell you if you're lying on
maps your home it was it drives around first time it just maps your home accurately it's beautiful and then you draw draw lines we do and don't want it to go knows where it's carpet and hard floors you can mop and everything right? Very good. That Will Smith dog shit every day like there's just no avoiding it, it'll run into cables and get stuck. So the three months ago they announced it but hasn't been released it that one would would have artificial intelligence. Now, I hate that word because it's just a buzzword but the idea is it's got a camera and it can detect things like kids toys and avoid them and stuff. So yeah, that's coming It's coming that there's something there and it's not normally there so essentially knows what the place looks like in its cleanest state. And it knows what's there now and it will avoid those things because like we Boeing uses the robot vacuum we had because it has a fucking mess. freaky. Impossible.
corners, has it get to a corner is it circle right?
so it's a circle and then there's the like brushes that are about six seven centimeters around big and that the center of them is right on the outside and so they flick around so it goes close to the corner and the brush flicks it out
on a what's the difference between say cheap one and sort of the pricier Primo one
a cheap one current doesn't know where it is in the house. Okay, it probably doesn't have a lot of suction to be done. It'll just have just a basic you know amount of suction Yeah, whereas an expensive one amazing actual vacuum. And it can it can be controlled foreign app, it can be linked to Google Home knows where it is in the house and those kind of things that you got to spend 1000 bucks plus to get a good one that will actually claim and you gotta run them every day for them to be effective. I gotta run every day while you're at work 20 Come on force for the client clean, but still every couple of weeks you gotta get out do a proper proper proper vacuuming. Yeah, really? How often do you Well,
had full throughout the house and we got three kids on mopping daily.
It's good to know that's the name of the
muffin daily. We actually had an incident will housesitting and the there was we're looking after we're looking after a puppy and the puppy pissed and break cleaned up the puppy piss with a mop and then put the mop in like this laundry area that also had wood and lifted there and the dog had just done a shit so she went clean that up anyway left the mop there for a few days and the whole fucking wood floor went black. It like bleed like turns it a different color. completely wrong.
So what we're asking because you know how to mop How do you fix that?
What would you do?
Trevor Knight thanks so much. Went how long you in Vegas to
it's on Tuesday now we don't like to Sunday show doesn't close to Friday and we'll have a couple of what I want and die and then we'll drive back to LA and fly home on Sunday night quick question What's the weather like in Vegas? This is weird winter over there right it's waiting to say you can see the mountain there's some snow it's chilly there was a la but it's like I'm I'm walking around with a suit jacket on dramas but light at night like now I should have a bigger jacket on when I go outside but it's not that bad
and Americans I have a hot weather they may have
scarves and being
cold slick chill out people so bad the if you had to get one product from say yes they said you could take but it was under 500 bucks what would be the I know you can't get the fucking TV what's under 500 bucks that you today you could take away you
would live alone if I was gonna I was gonna sell just keep these hard drives Samsung gave me us but they're over 500 bucks
What does that drive that looks sick
these are sick you got to get them these are the Samsung x five SSD these ones like a terabyte they like 1200 bucks Yeah, I think they're linked to a MacBook yeah super hard drive speeds just run I do all we do all our video links yeah so it's the new It's the new
version is the fight the Samsung why
five times faster than that. Doing well at a UTM say what it's a daily talk show and I'm back around here I can actually see our office man it's better than you
are you doing any you doing podcast while your wires are just off the cards with
so we do one tonight we do one today we do so what we do here is we do them as a
turnaround for you. So this is where we are we have all these iPhones yeah because I have a lot of amazing lights and I use a program called switcher Yeah. So on the iPad you have an iPad and you link the iPhones via Wi Fi and the the cameras remote into you can switch between cameras like a remote director so we do a Facebook Live so we did Facebook Live but at the same time recorded on the road caster so that's available now as a podcast but it's also a video you know multi camera video on five minutes he don't judge my audio though the audio we haven't quite worked out because the broadcaster anyways a lot a lot of a lot a lot of moving parts hot
my tribe thanks so much buddy and next time we will actually make it an Australian podcast where you're actually in the country let me know
when he was taking the next step to say we could meet so you know I think we
I think we're getting closer to
Barcelona in February we great
but what in Barcelona and fab
Mobile World Congress there's a lot of trips to make. This is the worst time of year to be married to me my wife very unhappy and
all the best depending on how you look at life.
Awesome travel. I just saw a message
paste. That's nice. If tm is your website and you're on social media and stuff, but and the main one we're doing what's the main geek like what's the like? Is it the ICA stuff today show what's taking the most time
I see probably 5050 ACI in today's show we did three current affairs stories to today show live crosses and tomorrow. Rob my camera guy and I I'm just a Sony Alpha nine whatever he's gonna shoot a today show type story and hopefully with my road filmmaker was Mike it sounds like he goes to wear on Friday morning. So yeah, and then and then I'm doing your money every night in the studio. So that's why I'm up late
amazingly and the we've got a merit a lot of American listeners who would you suggest what tech person should Americans be looking at for this for the type of content that you're doing? Who's the
American aquatic The Verge is probably the only big thing people doing the like the amount of content that we do and looking at stuff but then you know I still got a poke Yeah, I think David Pogue still the best tech guy
in America I haven't read his stuffing but he is
everybody used to do videos fun videos yeah what
he actually is he an independent German oh now is he
well he's a Yahoo I don't know what's happening there because of kind of closing that down. But yeah, he went to
Yahoo to wrap this up another in conversation.
Tommy doesn't tell me he's panicking. No idea what's going
on tradable David Pogue, I find videos very funny
that's old school rockin Let's go have a good one Travis a night. These guys have a good one.