#211 – Cease And Desist/
- November 6, 2018
The Daily Talk Show — Tuesday November 6 (Ep 211) – Josh Janssen & Tommy Jackett
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, Josh got in the middle of a dog fight at a cafe, a bunch of businesses have been getting cease and desist letters lately and Anthony emails about stalking online.
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Talk Show Episode 211. what it feels like
a Sunday night. We're in my house in St. Kilda, and the baby has just been will put a nice cute photo of my son up. He was holding the microphone. The ladies at daycare. They am and our families have because on when I was walking into daycare, I was just chatting to this other mom. And she's like, Oh, yeah, you must be blah, blah, blah, son, dad. And I said, Oh no, I'm bodies' dad. And she said, Oh, you you work in radio.
I'll tell it to us. Isn't it exciting? What is it who get excited by like a grade? You know?
Not even it wasn't because she knew who I was. It was just because they mentioned that and then it segue back to Bodie because she's like, oh, because I asked him like Bodie so talkative, and they said, Oh, yeah, he's dead works in radio. And so I immediately think my son is chip off the old block.
You have the luxury of having spent a decent chunk of time on radio. I haven't done like
your radio show three times. How many times
actually probably half a dozen times. That radio sounds a lot calmer then he's got a podcast. Good sounds I'm unemployed
all the way they look like an ass. Oh, everyone's that's what nice is. Flanagan. It's a Tuesday. It is Tuesday. So it's not Sunday. So a bit of a spanner in the works today is a Melbourne cap rip horse died in the Melbourne Cup. We won't go into that yet.
I mean, the thing is that I not to get on my high horse. If we had a sound effects guy who would jump in right now. But now like I I probably I think I'd be disingenuous if I was going too hard on the cruelty around horses. I think it is cruel. I don't think it should. Probably should happen in saying that the reason that I don't really watch is more just because I think it's a bit Bogan not necessarily the horse it like I'm not super. Yeah, I guess you know what I mean? Like I could say that, like it would be convenient. It's like a vegetarian. Yeah. Who does it because of their health?
Well, what is that virtue signalling when you are like overly active supporting some cause the sake of it because it will draw attention, not saying you are doing
well, I'm just saying that. You're saying I'm fine. I The thing is, I do get but I think that there's probably other things in the world that is just as bad as horse racing that I probably do. Well, I think the dog fights on the weekend. I go.
Now I guess you pick which one? It's like, vegetarians. Not all of them do it because of the cruelty part is like
some of them love falafel.
But No, there isn't. So not everyone has to come and support the cause for that reason. There's many ways it would hurt my head getting into that conversation today. We're talking about dog fights. today. Brain I went to Hawthorne to can't remember the cafe we go there a bit. They do like an egg egg plant. dish. It's really not.
No, no, no. Actually, heritage bowl is the place. You sent me a photo of it like six months, not more than that nine months ago. You're like, Oh, we came in for the day.
It's really good heritage wall is what's called it's on. It's in Hawthorne anyway, we were sitting sitting down and we see the waitresses and oh my god looking at the window embrace that. What are they looking at and Mike are two dogs and they were these two. Bulldogs like little Bulldogs. And when you see little will look at a bulldog. Like those cute French Bulldog things are they might be a French border they want to hug because I was trying to work out the one up from a pug they look like because punks I feel like I've only seen them in the last like 10 years or something right
Milo notice I know you didn't watch films as a kid but you have two films.
felonious? I like that. Yeah.
Bryson in you. Jules does the same thing. There's a certain words just come out. Yeah. Should we go to the films? I don't know. So I haven't seen what film
Milo and Otis it's these little pigs and rip they lost a few pegs in the making. God if we had Mr. 97 he asked him to get us the info and how many pugs died during the strike? I don't think I I don't think it was in Australia. What year roughly? I wouldn't be naughty. I would have been eight when I was watching it so yeah, that's like 90s would have been it's it's boom time
we see these these ball ball gnomes ESPN dunks because people's a band on a can't have people
people I think again now I've seen people
because like I know that I feel like the US is a lot more lacks when it comes to everything yeah well I noticed that even when brain I was watching some old Australian TV ads were just type on you know on YouTube Australian TV ads 90s and would get all these there was ad specifically about leave put your dog like you know your dog your responsibility if your dog attack someone you are liable that's like put a fence around it put a fence like that Yeah, they had a Hong Kong
yeah I think they've I think this I don't think it's as strict as that they're not promoting that it's probably yeah well
but maybe like it shows how primitive like that that was a thing as he said just like finding everyone just had dogs running around
there was a interesting such an interesting or maybe it was Luther Oh the documentary on the dogs like all the It's so sad all these dogs up you know because all these dudes in the hood who are getting pit bulls and then just fucking letting them go and that run out and then they'd have to be captured and so as this sad case of hundreds of dangerous animals these dogs that have been beaten or whatever, were in homes and so they Yeah, they euthanize so many of them anyway back to these French Bulldogs it will probably the cafe for the egg
just talking about the euthanizing euthanizing euthanasia whatever it is of animals. We need to have Dr. Kim lamb on Yeah, she is a vet turned illustrated Yeah, and she knows she knows all this stuff about euthanasia or the way the different animals are killed.
Yeah, because you said to me you painted it perfectly. All animals have a different way that they need to be euthanized.
I was asking I'm like how do you kill a platypus? How do you think she said break it
know that's true.
It's outrageous, isn't it?
this ritual you can't around the fucker because it swims. But it's not these specific days. It feels very animal crow heavy. This podcast I've said like horse racing. That's not because of the horses by the head. No, but I don't like because of the bargain. It's because of the bug. I'm more offended by the bug and than I am about the cruelty anyway. We'll have to have to get on Yes. Anyway. So these two dogs a walking up there sort of near the window and they're about to sort of cross the the front area of the cafe. They're both on leads. And there is I'm mainly watching that but what there is about 10 metres away is an old lady probably 70s with a fragile looking down little down to sort of sitting at like with on a lead but seated as the lady at Heritage wall Kelvin
came to my mind the dog on the frail dogs are called
Calvin I reckon it would be like a one syllable I keep you know come on come on. Yep, maybe. Anyway, I saw the dunk start the there's a kid holding the ball down and they slow down. And I think it must have been the only thing that I can work out what's happened is that he's using a lead that has is an extender come out. Yeah. And so he's walking past and as the Bulldogs get closer
you know, the other two Bulldogs ganging up the fuckin Yep.
And then like a first it's like itself just like
these dogs about like backing each other. And then it's like, on no like the DOM citric gonna fucking kill this other dog. Yep. So rebel is that the Capital One of the guys in the cafe is got a chair and trying to like knock the the the Bulldog with a chair for this point. I've actually gotten that like segment so much. The point in which I it made it clear that if I was fucking in any situation, you know, if I was in the link cafe, whatever the worst thing I could do, like just sit there. I would do. Like there's a gunman. Anything Bad's happening. I'm not fucking chocolate. Yeah, yeah, I'd be literally the one that fucking got out. But like I was young everyone else is in there. And they're like, what happened? What do the guy look like? I don't know. And so what did you do you said but I sat there but then I ended up getting up and the zip whatever the fuck with nameless dark. Yep. Has as started to run into the cafe. And so I then sort of blocked it in so that it's stayed in all the other dogs but my heart was racing. Why? Because well because we know he wants to don't die
did was he in trouble did he have bought
marks and so the lady this like the lady in her 70s yelling help someone help and that was like the whole traumatic things say watch
someone do something good and who was if owner of the French Bulldog
who's probably 14 years old kid and so he's like I'm so sorry I'm so sorry. As the fucking dogs are rabid because I
remember wanting to take my dog for a walk like you see dad do it or you just you know you see the the owner the boss of the dogs always doing I thought is so cool that would if I take my dog out for a walk it but it happens dog owners my brothers told me about fights these days there's one dog that goes to the park where he goes he's he's had words with the owner if I can pull your fucking head you know something had to be aggressive because his dog always attacks my brother Steffi
that's full on his staff is that like a
little stuffy is a stuffy Steffi is the closest it looks more like it's on the way they're looking like a
it's like a rooster. It's got I can imagine it has bowls. This solid.
jazzy is a female. Yeah, they got big jaws. And you wouldn't want to get bitten by step.
So it looks like a bit of a bodybuilder.
Definitely big quality
shredding ready for it?
So yeah, that's scary because I always find like you could probably talk some sense into him humans if they'll punchy on Yeah, there's dogs what do you do like if one actually groups on to these other dogs neck and just doesn't like go because that's what Stephanie's can do they can show a lock your lock down and he died. And I just it would be bad I've always thought I would probably kick another dog. If I had if my dog was getting like really bad, badly bitten I'd probably boot the other dog in the head. It was
my initial instinct.
When I got up I was like
or it's like the fucking kick the wrong dog.
Come the blocks in Melbourne captors
to euthanize the euthanized. The two French Bulldogs. Just all of us dead. never seen anything like it. It's a real wolf wolf storey I got that vibe. So, but it's been a very sort of dog heavy few days because we were at a friend's house over the weekend. And we had a situation where they've got a dog that's probably like 12 actually, I'd be more than 12 weeks because they got it before we went away. So it'd be like four months old, but they still sort of consider the puppy but it's big fucking puppy. It didn't run around like nasty back as if it was gonna bite. One day. Yeah, he's a tonne of the BBQ. Yeah, and then it was it was Josh comes out and now I boots in.
Well, it's funny because I stopped kicking dogs in the head Tommy
because I'm not good. I'm not good with dogs. And
thing is you don't know like, you get to you learn adult my brother Steffi boat. I've seen a relationship form between Bodie, my son and his dog jazzy. And I and we dropped me off at an eBay shoe staying for the weekend on Sunday. And there was a little little Yep, there. It was all the dog sweet. It somehow like had rapport with me. And I was like, period rapport. I've been. I've had I've had experience with dogs and I know when it was a bit funny with me, but I kind of just sort of Pat and did the right things. I hold my hand out padding it's nice for his kids got no filter. Yeah, that was just want to jump on it. But I could tell this dog was like fact who's these? other little prick? Yeah, there's this guy is this little version of that big guy. And? And so
but um, what about he do he
get kicked in the head kicked, kicked party.
I'm so sorry. zip.
You I think you get you get with dogs and you get to sort of see the little signs but still dogs can be so unpredictable. And that's where like, I remember days. Nice girl once and she had two massive fucking shepherds. Like a German Shepherd. I do this scary. They're unpredictable. They're big. And they've got long snapchats long, huge teeth. And they'll mess you up and I'll go to a house and knock on the door. And these things are just like out like date
like out our dog that we're looking off to at the moment. He's He's great when it comes to he knows
he's a Labrador bro. But he knocks a chance of getting mauled by Labrador super light.
Yeah, but it was but he has the good back. So when people come to the door,
roof roof roof rk so you're saying good morning.
Yeah, we still montage of all the Bye. That a current affair? Put it on our read at the daily talk. show.com the you know the account of Yeah, talking about Yeah.
But these German Shepherds, there's a difference between your the dog you're looking after? And these ones because they would be backing show rich. It sounded so angry. And that'd be jumping at the door. It's like, it's like they want to see me energy. But then it's so if I actually open this, will they keep doing that thing? Are they just going to be like,
chillax. Imagine? Like, have you ever had an owner say? Yeah, be careful with him. They're always they
are he's lovely. Yes,
absolutely fine. It's because your best mates. Yeah,
he hates my fucking guy. thinks I stink.
So true. Very good. The I was walking. I've forgotten the name. What's the name of the dog that I'm looking at it? Yeah. Isn't that funny? Terrible haven't clearly haven't built up enough report. remember his name. But over the weekend when I was walking him, I now everything's changed out saying this fucking bro with the dogs at Heritage wall. But when I was taking it out, there's a park about 50 metres away from the house that we are sitting. And so we can take him without the lead and he walks up. And there was a little like, zip sort of what's up with an M? Yep. Yep. There was like a Jeep style dog. there and it was often lead to and it was walking. And I said to I said Archie, I said to the owner, I said I he's cool. Like to about Archie. He's like I cannot. And he just walks past and as you're walking past I just say Archie and he just walks past. Yep. No problem at all. No. Like, checking. And the guy. I felt so fat and good. He said what a good dog.
I was just gonna face shit. I was like, Yeah, I was like, Yeah, yeah, he's pretty good, isn't it? just hoping he doesn't ask you fucking name because I can't remember it all the time.
So, Messina, I told you about the other day, how they, so they basically got a cease cease and desist. Which is like, stop doing the thing that you're doing.
You need, like in legal terms, so companies will reach reach out to people and say, Hey, if I can using our trademark or you do anything we don't want you to do
yeah, a friend of mine got a cease and desist. He was he's an artist. And he was doing similar artwork, to this dude overseas, really? And got set. And he was actually drawing cartoon characters that this guy was also drawing these cartoon characters that weren't his
So he got a cease and desist. He ripped his uncle's a lawyer and he just showed him he's fat can rip that piece of shit. So that was like the first kind of understanding of what these are. And then I saw Messina they put out like it a thing on their Instagrams. Okay, response to the cease and desist. Which they got from McDonalds. Which is a big company you probably shoot yourself Yeah,
well, one of the things around trademarks is that if you are a holder of the trademark, you need to show that you are protecting the trademark
I remember you saying this about what company can remember
there's been a Disney know there's all like the company that owns like all the Star Wars stuff. What's that called? What's his name? The famous star wars dude. fact that where where peace? Yeah, what's his name? directors the Star Wars directed by Lucas Films. They're very good also remember the melting Rubik's Cube yes as well so Rubik's Cube they after they came after your friend Yeah, who did like a T shirt
so McDonald's came after Messina with a cease and desist we after on the Messina eats breakfast menu they use something that rubbed McDonald's at the wrong why it was like a
white Messina a to this main what Messina is not open breakfast now.
It appears a menu for Messina eats breakfast all day has robbed which is all day you can get breakfast all day. I love it they put that in to the wording just so you know it must be Sydney thing because I haven't seen
what am I what I'm guessing it is it was probably like he was really good with ice cream does like cereals and shit. I bet Yeah, it's like different cereals. That was it.
They said it was meant to be a mic tribute acknowledging those epic breakfasts we've all had don't lie we've all eaten it. Anyway, it seems Ronald didn't take it too well, and they had this massive response, which was interesting. They got into like, they went into the history of the MCC term.
So in Messina dude saying hey, we called it MCC because of this.
So they said I'm not sure if you're aware Scottish and Irish metronomic synonyms tonight no sorry, sir names frequently have the prefix Mac or Mk. When the surnames were originally developed, they were formed by adding a Gaelic word Mac, which means son of to the name of the original bear his father, for example, the surname MC, Google literally means son of Google. So then they went to say that this was a tribute this thing that they use the mic to Messina, and this key they said that Messina is found his son came up with it, and that they are using Mook as in tribute to this kid's dad who came up with the Messina, but this isn't about Messina, because that was a cease and desist that I saw. And then I saw the to to advocate which is a satirical Instagram account that just write these really funny headlines that you can read they do. They do great articles out there like the onion, the Australian version of the onion classic they use or like stock footage, like stock photos that looks really stupid. And
they'll take say something that happens today. They'll you know, they'll turn all these topical things into funny bits. Yeah,
this is one of them. plainclothes cop blows cover by asking teenage drug dealer to add him on MSN. But I just came across this email that they received it was like they've just posted it. But Twitter advocate urgent cease and desist. It's popular
they've received a cease and desist
rate they've received one and it came from Sports bit.
So sports bit for non Australians is like a betting company they
said it's like the tip sports bet.
If you want to do a bit on the races or in footy use the sports bet website
which this is pretty interesting so they got this and I've posted the email dear editor a right to you as the senior legal counsel at least cancel at sports bit please find attached a formal cease and desist noticed. As you've probably seen, seen from our social media channels, and our ads sports bed as an organisation is one that enjoys a bit of humour and doesn't mind having a bit of a laugh. However, we've noticed in recent weeks today
we do rating on the podcast
today has been a very tough day for us and your article has crossed the line so bit a bit why is it been a tough day for these there the system went down and today's the biggest dying gambling
debt like is it being something
because I was trying to work out this a tutor advocate put up this funny thing that about sports been and it's got this guy yelling at his phone
because there's a whole campaign that something around bs no
bullshit This is the headline that particular advocate of written sports bits commitment and no BS cut day includes includes planned upgrade instead of taking bits and so that's what they're referring to that was posted like when was that four hours ago and then they got this cease and desist after they posted that and so they were referring to that specific post about how it's been a hot day for them because it's crashed and I said I've been advised that we will be looking at initiating proceedings unless you remove all articles referring to but not limited to sports bit and the term bs
This is greyed for butter
This is my point have a road. This is the the title of this post no BS but I think he say some disease I becoming a part of the content plan. It's like it doesn't even matter it like it's so ridiculous because you think they would have at least reached out to someone they know that knows something about the law. And go on should we be worried
about this? But also there's the there's parody law stuff, right? I mean, I'm not a fucking lawyer. But there's
but you see yourself if you got one. Initially
I don't I reckon that if you were if you were, you know, like the Buddha advocate, this would be an exciting This is sports bit writing new content without them having to do any additional work.
It's It's a weird thing because everything is turning into a content play off of content. We're talking about that but like That's funny. For on so many levels, like the company are getting promotion out of it. Yeah. McDonald's getting promotion out of Messina responding like this. Yeah, it's almost like a cease and desist is becoming useless for brands like this when you're coming up against the brands like this, because I'm on Messina side against McDonald's.
Just give it up. Well, so many cease and desist, never actually make it into court. But most of them said they're empty threats. Yeah, well, they just like the first day Joe speaking to a friend who she's a lawyer works in intellectual property, used to be a private investigator who was working for an agency that dealt with finding fake bags. So she would go to all the different markets, asked to buy the bag should take photos, like duty, all that sort of stuff. And then she would go back that day with letters and would have set hand out cease and desist and the same person that gave it. So what I'd have to say is, basically, they'd have to hand over all of their product. Yeah. Or like, dispose of it within a certain period of time and have proof of it. Yeah. Otherwise they could they could be court proceedings. There was always that
talk of Nike creating the fakes having a factory that actually creates the shakes as well. It could be conspiracy, Jimmy monetizable I think Yeah, I did hear that but it makes sense like if but then you do not want to be saying to be doing that as a brand like if you are Nike, Nike is a somewhat premium products quite expensive. Like Imagine if people actually found out that we're also doing the other ones because
it's still not the thing that was really big for a while especially in fast fashion is the the brands who are destroying unsold garments. So if they've got if they're a suit company, I've got blazes they haven't sold they just cut the cut them up. Because I don't want people yeah, that I won't pick that up. They worked out that it was cheaper for them to do that than it was for them to take it to sort of one of the cheaper outlets for it.
Can't you couldn't you just get someone at the head office to just open an eBay site that
net sell them that costs that cost them a lot of money. And so yeah, it's these very, very dodgy business.
Yeah. And we got an email.
Yeah, we do. We've got we've got a we've got a couple of emails. Anthony, since as an email, he's written stickers upside down. How do you? I don't understand, I don't know actually how he's, he's done it. But every time I go to fun, I can say if you ever thought the phone was gonna flip, but it's really cool. Yeah, it's very cool. So he's written stickers, but he's gone on to tell us a storey. Hey, Tommy. And Josh. I was listening to Episode 29. We're really committing to the ratings. Let's say let's say how I got there is there is one city that I had to pronounce. So I'm not just saying so city. Yeah, I was listening to Episode Two or not nine, and I loved your insights into stalking. It reminded me of a time I had a few years ago, similar to how Tommy was amazed, shocked what he had to come accomplished by using the internet to track someone down. So I thought you guys might be interested in hearing hearing this. I hadn't met this girl online. Her name was Amber. She was about two years younger than me. I was 21 at the time, and lived in Iceland, we kind of became modern day equivalents of pen pals, and would message each other about our day and stuff like that. After about a year or two, in keeping in touch, we found ourselves travelling to Europe at the same time of the year. And she told me she wanted to meet up. I had a girlfriend at this stage. So it was kind of weird explaining to her that I wanted to change our trip itinerary and go meet up with some random girl I met online anyways, on the day, we were meant to meet up and bailed and was unresponsive. I thought that was kind of weird. Anthony, you being fucking cat fish. But we'll go decided to do a bit more digging around. Using the information information that I knew about her name was amber age, roughly 2222 lived in a city in Iceland. And I had a picture of her in front of her house, when I went down a very deep rabbit hole that involve using Facebook's people search, which isn't available anymore, but used to be able to this isn't him talking this is me talking used to be able to do things like people who work at someone so company, and it would show you all of the people that work there. Or you could say people named Tom that live in Melbourne where you could get all those details, see why they've taken it off. So he went on a massive search basically. And he ended up finding out it wasn't her real name. He found her real name and was able to basically through us, especially using Facebook's old tools was able to find out all of her family her exact address. And he was also able to find the house based on the the image. So it was a real person. It was a real person but a different name wasn't Amber.
Yeah, what was what does she want?
What he never he never worked it out. And he said that
it's kinda at this point, I decided that I had gone a bit too deep and realised if it was this easy for me to find out about someone that had been using a fake name, it was probably best not to share my whole life on social media anymore. Wow. It's funny because
that's a great storey. Yeah, I mean, I wanted him to go to this person's house. few questions. Anthony you had a girlfriend that tell her what the fuck was she think? Yeah.
Well, so do you think that that's off limits? Do you think that if you
pre low, what was the initial? We should just get Anthony on Anthony's a friend of mine. He lives up in Brisbane. Okay. I haven't seen him in a while. But he
is a friend because I did actually did some searching and he actually was Yeah, I've just told him.
You can search him probably fine. But he's got a clean slate. It sounds Yeah, no, but Anthony built my website. The sack on that Jules land when I was at the American Yeah, he built it conspiracy. Jimmy. His websites, an epic website.
Yeah, I find his phone number. Did you? Yeah, you actually got
I've got his phone.
That's so interesting that I know. But I think you I would think that if I was talking to someone online, when I was single before I had a girlfriend, it would be with some idea that maybe it could go somewhere like I would always think oh, maybe it is some you know, things could
go well yeah. Well, I mean, I had one example. But it never felt like that with Sarah lay the surf photographer. That was someone who I spoke to pre Bry and she ended up coming to Melbourne and we ended up hanging out with probably half a dozen times it's more
going if I went into it thinking fact this could be a relationship and then I get a girlfriend and then I take her that's where I find it if Anthony didn't think it was anything other than just as interesting person maybe I could be friends with it. And there was nothing like that and there was no talk of it. Maybe then that's okay. He
also said pro tip if you want to find out how much someone paid for the house yet RP data and just do a name search paid. Very easy. I don't know what RP data is. I'll google it but that sounds really easy. Anyway, he put stickers in these subject line hasn't put he's actual if I can address
I'll take him does that bro gives you a
great storey. But we've we've had a few other people. Kyle reach out just just before recording asking for stickers as well. You can still get stickers Oh yeah, up until Thursday. Thursday.
Yeah 1159 I pm is when it closes
hi the daily talk show.com subject line stickers in the body of the the contents of the email should be your address. If you want you could tell
maybe Anthony is tested us. This is a test for us to be able to find out these address they'll be so easy.
Well, yeah, Wilson. Anthony don't send us your address. We will send Challenge accepted. Yeah, that's a daily talk show everyone have a good one will say tomorrow.