Bid In Our Charity Auction

Tommy: Wait a minute!

Josh: Frostface!

Mason: The Daily Talk Show, a conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Janson and Tommy Jackett.

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 233. Yeah, yeah, yeah, happy Thursday! Oh yeah, 9:30 in the morning here.

Tommy: Yeah, it is.

Josh: Top of 35 degrees.

Tommy: It's gonna be stinky hot when I closed up my whole house.

Josh: Do you reckon, what do you reckon the temperature is in Afghanistan right now?

Tommy: Well, I reckon it'd be somewhat chilly. I reckon we would have a hotter high today than Afghanistan.

Josh: Stan or Stan?

Tommy: Mate, I don't know. It says Stan at the end of it and we're Aussies. Afghanistan. Or Sean Connery would say, "Africano star." Sean Connery, that's from, um, Taken.

Josh: Is it?

Tommy: No, no, that's Liam Neeson.

Josh: Sean Connery is—

Tommy: He's the guy that was the original Indiana Jones.

Josh: Yes, yes, yes. Is he the one that fell out of the plane? Oh no, he had a plane crash.

Tommy: Did he?

Josh: Light plane crash, I'm pretty sure.

Tommy: Yeah, there's been a heap of celebrities that have been in light plane crashes. But like the only thing that I can take from that is that they're rich enough to fly on like Sean Connery or jet planes.

Josh: See his name, Sean? What, what nationality is he?

Tommy: You know, my mate Post Malone, he was in his— he was in a jet, small jet, and he had to make a crash landing. And when I say crash landing, the landing gear was effed. And yeah, it was, it was pretty scary, he says.

Josh: Well, according to TMZ, uh, guess what time it is in Afghanistan right now?

Tommy: Um, I actually like this game. 9:20 AM here. I reckon it's like— 9:30 here. 9:30 here. I reckon it is 7:30 PM.

Josh: No. No?

Tommy: Am I way off?

Josh: It is, it's 2:20 AM.

Mason: Okay.

Tommy: Middle of the night.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: That's real. That's dense. You know that we have 70 people downloading or have downloaded our episodes from Afghanistan.

Josh: Well, you said that, and that's why I thought I would do the whole timing thing. Yeah, but I'm now interested in Sean Connery. Um, I, I don't think he is the one that's in the plane crash. Has there been someone else that's played that same character?

Tommy: What, Indiana Jones?

Josh: Yes.

Tommy: Uh, yeah, there's been a couple. Um, Pierce Brosnan?

Mason: No.

Tommy: Indiana Jones. Indiana. You never watch these?

Josh: No. Ah, I'm sure to catch up. I remember there was, there was a—

Tommy: so yeah, one of the other Indiana Jones was who you'd know is Harrison Ford.

Josh: What's the MacGyver? MacGyver, is he— he's not Indiana Jones, different person.

Tommy: Oh no, hang on, wait, wait, wait. I'm thinking, hang on, Sean Connery. Might have been— see, maybe I'm fucking this up. Sean Connery is Indiana Jones's dad, so it's Harrison Ford's dad in Indiana Jones.

Josh: Okay, if I write Indiana Jones plane crash—

Tommy: Sean Connery played James Bond. That's right. So Indiana Jones was played by Harrison Ford, and Indy's dad was Sean Connery. That's, uh, I hope that's right. If you're a movie buff and you want to you know, beat me up for misinformation, please do. Hi at the Daily Talk Show. But we're moving on. We don't need to know if these guys have been in a jet crash because we've got serious business happening.

Josh: Okay, name one business thing.

Tommy: Well, it's technically not making us any money, but it's making— for a change, it's, it's making somebody money. So I messaged you last night.

Josh: I—

Tommy: so I get the Reddit notifications coming directly to my pocket. I don't even know if I said— I don't know how I set that up.

Josh: It's just, I think it's a popular— is it popular? Um, maybe it's because, uh, posts that you post, you get notified when someone comments.

Tommy: Actually, no. Well, did I post this? Yeah, I posted it. So you're probably right.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So the post I put up was the video of you and I, the first video episode that we ever did. We recorded all of 231. We've recorded bits and pieces of episodes but this is us in the studio. It felt really awkward. It was okay, but we've had some feedback on something you said because you told me— So if you're just— If this is one of your first times listening to the show, Josh has became obsessed with reading books because he had never read a book. He then became—

Josh: No, no, no, don't say it like that.

Tommy: You read a book for the first time in your adult life.

Josh: Just one quick thing. A top of 13 degrees Celsius in Afghanistan. Yeah, right now it's 2 degrees Celsius.

Tommy: Yeah, it's freezing.

Josh: Freezing.

Tommy: Well, it's the opposite because summer here.

Josh: You told me that you wanted me to use asana instead of writing down, and you can see why I don't use my fucking laptop because it is very distracting.

Tommy: We lost Josh there, but what I was saying, you were obsessed, uh, you hadn't read, hadn't read a book.

Josh: So I'd read Deep Work from start to finish, but I've been listening to audiobooks for the last like 8 or 9 years, nearly 10 years now, would have been like 2008.

Tommy: But what was interesting is if someone asked you, have you, oh, you read books? Yeah, you'd kind of say yes because it's almost like it's not a lie. You listen to hundreds of audiobooks, you spend all this cash on them and you actually listen to them, but you've become, you've got a real old school, I'm gonna say a real old school chubby, old school chubby, never say that again, I'm so sorry.

Josh: That's a callback to, Early episodes, we used to call something a digital chub, which is when you get excited about some form of technology.

Tommy: But this is, this is the other direction. So you've gone to actually reading books.

Josh: This is the analogue chub.

Tommy: This is the analogue chub. You've, you've started using a pencil to underline, uh, paragraphs, passages from a book so that you remember them all. Great idea. I've read some— I've actually opened some of the books and been drawn to where the line is, and it's a a good piece of information.

Josh: Is that what you're gonna— rather than reading books, are you just gonna take my old ones, just read the bits that I've underlined?

Tommy: It's actually not a bad idea. But you were really obsessed with it, and I— you as a person, you sort of hone in, and I know you know this about yourself. Yeah, you're gonna watch what your focus is on because you can be so in, and it's everything. You were thinking about a book club, you were trying to buy domain names for the pencil stuff, but then it shifted slightly when you fucking told me that you were rewriting. So you're getting in on Monday. Yeah, I'm actually— I've started reading Seth Godin's brand new book, This Is Marketing, and I've actually started writing out. So I've taken it beyond the underlining. I'm writing every word of this book into this, this exercise. Yeah, this textbook. Yeah, exercise book, which 256 pages long. It's ridiculous.

Josh: This Is Marketing, it doesn't seem like that much of a— like a fat book. But, um, yeah, I, I had the idea of— well, I was reading this old-school, um, uh, marketing dude, direct marketing dude, uh, Gary Halbert, and he wrote these, um, it's called The Boron Letters. It's these letters that he wrote when he was in jail to his son. To his son.

Tommy: Yeah, it's— it is cool. I like the premise. Yeah, already before you even read it.

Josh: The funny thing about that book, The Boron Letters, is the first, um, A mate suggested that I read it. And the funny thing is the first like 4 chapters, what I learnt was the guy was saying you should eat fruit every day. That was one of them. Another one is you should do road work every day.

Tommy: I like that one, road work.

Josh: When you hear road work, what do you actually think?

Tommy: Yeah, it's not construction on the side of the road.

Josh: No, it's like walking or running or something.

Tommy: He talks about just having a clear mind, put it on a timer, walk 30 minutes one way and then turn around. Walk 30 minutes back. I like it every morning. It's a good practice.

Josh: He was talking about fasting as well. This is like in the '80s.

Tommy: Old school.

Josh: So I don't know if that's maybe like all these things.

Tommy: He was in jail, so he's fasting maybe.

Josh: 'Cause of the shit food.

Tommy: Yeah, his food was getting stolen or the food was shit.

Josh: We need to ask Harps whether he can be our guy from the '80s. I'm wondering whether like from a fitness point of view, 'cause he was fucking doing all the health and fitness stuff. I wonder if fasting was a big thing then.

Tommy: I'm sure it's— everything's come in and out. Tim Ferriss was talking about it 10 years ago. He's— yeah, anyway, back to it. So anyway, I sent you a screen grab. Well, so no, because yesterday you, you said you want to sell on 231. You keep interrupting me so I can't actually get to the point of anything I'm saying.

Josh: You just get— you just made a mistake.

Tommy: 231, on episode 231, that same day you told me you're doing this stupid thing of writing out the the whole entire book, which will take you so long and will make even less money. You also said, I'll sell this, I wanna sell this.

Josh: Well, it was a thought in the actual episode, which you can see the video episode where we spoke about it. But no, the idea being, I was like, if I write this whole thing, it's a great exercise. And then I thought, well, if I create this thing, maybe someone wants to buy it.

Tommy: Yeah, and someone wants to buy it, but they've had a great idea. So on our Reddit, what went off in the thing I sent you was Icy Oz. Definitely not his real name, but comments quite a bit. He said— I'm assuming it's a he— I'll pay $100 if you donate the money to charity.

Josh: Why are you assuming it's a he?

Tommy: Uh, Icy Oz. I don't know, it sounds like a blokey, a blokey kind of username. Well, it's not Roxy Chick, but I'd say Yeah, I mean, I don't know, could be a bloke. You can't tell on— can you actually find their profile on, um, on Reddit? Can you find the profile?

Josh: Uh, I don't think it will give you much information.

Tommy: You could go back and see what IC Odds has also posted on Tesla and based on car stuff, a cat napping in a no parking area, um, going to start a fire.

Josh: What is that? What's the going to start a fire?

Tommy: BRB, going to start a fire.

Josh: Is that really what it says? Yeah. Okay.

Tommy: I hope this will make— they'll make an adapter for previous owners of the CCS2.

Josh: Great. So anyway, are you on board that it's probably a bloke now? No, but it probably is.

Tommy: You're right, but you really want to get me on that for some reason.

Josh: I just want a bit of gender politics for a Thursday. But he, she, whatever, we've got all different types on listening to the Daily Tips.

Tommy: So I see Oz, I'll pay you, I'll pay $100 if you donate the money to charity. I wanna, so my first was like, fuck yes, $100, this is a great idea. But then I thought we can't give it to this first person if we're now giving it to charity.

Josh: Yeah, $100 for charity, I feel like we need to up it. If it's not for us, I think that we can do better.

Tommy: Well, mate, I made $1,520 selling those Obike fishing t-shirts.

Josh: As in that you gave to charity?

Tommy: That I gave to charity, yeah. I made $1,500 for charity.

Josh: Yeah, that's good.

Tommy: And if I can make that selling t-shirts that didn't actually take me a whole lot of time to do— yeah, uh, the cause was okay, it was fine, Clean Up Australia. But it's like, I'm sure you, with the effort you're going to for this, because this is going to take you so fucking long, over 250 pages.

Josh: So if we— if I work it out, say if I If I spent an hour on it a day, yeah, that was an anxious breath. Maybe it would take about— so it'd probably an hour a day, say if I did 10 pages a day, yeah, say it takes 25 days.

Tommy: So by, by January, let's say by, uh, the middle of January, all I was thinking was, you decided to do a podcast every weekday on your European holiday.

Josh: Yeah. 100 days we did.

Tommy: Now for the Christmas holidays, we're not going for dinner. I've got to write Seth Godin's book out in a textbook.

Josh: So what do you think we do then?

Tommy: Well, I just— so, um, email and put a bid in.

Josh: Derek sent an email as well. Did you see that? Derek, um, was saying that it seemed like a purchase order for the book.

Tommy: Okay, this is— so we've got a few people. Well, if Derek's willing to go above $100, because he wouldn't know that we've been offered $100 already. So Derek, if you're willing to go, I'll take $150, and then if someone beats you $150—

Josh: sorry, mate.

Tommy: Yeah, you just got to go higher. So go— you have to go, I'll take $50. This is— I'm— we need Cycling Maven from yesterday to do the auction. I'll take $150 over here. Derek, you got $150? Yes, we got $150. Any other bidders? Derek, send us an email. Hi, thedailytalkshow.com. In the subject line, bid.

Josh: Not just Derek, we need to open this up. This is a— let's call it a silent auction.

Tommy: It's a hot lead, we've got Derek, but anyone else outside of this could offer because we need to update people. So just maybe put your bids in. They obviously have to be above $100. It's like if you go to a house, you, uh, an auction. Have you been to an auction? You're just like, there could be some wild unit over here that just comes out you know, knows the reserve price, say it's at $500,000, just puts a million bucks on it 'cause no one else will buy it. So I'm happy for the wild unit to put in a bid.

Josh: And so how about this? The way that we also do it is to make it really easy for everyone and to know that it's going. So we'll work out what the charity is. How do we work out what the charity is?

Tommy: So there's a few things here. We might need it to be enough to fund our legal costs If Seth Godin actually sues us, comes after the publishers for copyright. No, what about Seth Godin? We— because you're mates with him, you're always on the email. Have you emailed him since we've—

Josh: since we went to his office? I sent him the episode, he was chuffed. I told him that we had Chase Jarvis on, he loved that as well.

Tommy: Okay, okay, so there's still a bit of comms. He can choose, let's get him to choose the charity.

Josh: Okay, great. So we have to bring it to him as well.

Tommy: We don't have to— what, sorry?

Josh: We're gonna have to bring it to him and let him know that we're doing it, which I think is the respectful thing to do.

Tommy: Are you going to tell him, are you going to ask for permission, or are you going to tell him this is what we're doing and then, um, I need you to choose the charity?

Josh: What do you think Seth Godin would do?

Tommy: I think he'd like you to, um, make a decision.

Josh: We just had Derek. Oh my God, Derek, come back! Derek, come back! Is the door unlocked? That's hilarious. Is the door going to be unlocked? It is, yeah. We've actually had Scooter Derek, who is actually just Derek, this is great.

Tommy: Derek is one of the street's finest, the scooter man on the block.

Josh: Scooter Derek, what's going on, mate?

Mason: Take this, Mr. 64, call me.

Josh: That is Mr. 97.

Tommy: That's his actual age.

Mason: That was my high school score.

Josh: Oh really? Wow. I mean, back then, was that—

Mason: So that gets you into La Trobe Uni or something?

Josh: That gives you into La Trobe Uni.

Tommy: This is perfect. I was literally about to read out your email. Can you just read out what you wrote yesterday? God, with a guy that has a podcast, has the worst mic technique on earth.

Mason: I'm just getting warmed up.

Tommy: All right, so read out the email that you sent through.

Mason: All right, um, please supply— it's, it's a purchase order from Castaway— please supply a handwritten book by Seth Rogen as advertised. It's not Rogen, is it?

Josh: It's Jordan. It's, uh, Godin.

Mason: Godin, sorry. Prefer in Latin, but English is okay if you're an uneducated. Please advise when the product is ready for dispatch. Regards.

Tommy: That's amazing. So this is a guy, Derek, who doesn't even know the guy's name but will happily drop $100 on the book. So we haven't told you, um, because you usually— you listen to the show, you'd find out, but you're now crashing our show. We had someone offer $100 already, but the proviso was that the money goes to charity. And so unless you're willing to now put in a bid, 'cause I was just saying you should email us, but if you put in a bid above that, that's the new benchmark. So are you willing to put in a bid for the Seth Godin, not Seth Rogen handprint?

Mason: Well, now that it's Godin, I think it might be worth a bit more.

Josh: Well, so this is the thing. This is what I think we do. I reckon we get people to bid, hi@thedailytalkshow.com, to make it official. The money that they give doesn't go to us. We'll work out whatever the charity is based on. TJ was saying we should ask Seth Godin for the specific charity, seeing as we're using his copyright.

Tommy: Seeing as we are recreating his whole entire book.

Josh: Oh yeah. And so then—

Mason: Would it be better just to be secretive?

Josh: Well, this is what we're discussing. What would Seth Godin do? You don't even fucking know who he is. You think it's Seth Rogen.

Mason: I know, he is, 'cause I heard him talk on your podcast.

Tommy: Yeah, and what's your vibe?

Mason: He's a legend.

Josh: Yeah.

Mason: Isn't he?

Tommy: What do you think he would, He's different to Joe Rogan.

Josh: Very, yeah, yeah, yeah. Seth Rogen, Jesus Christ, there's too many, too many.

Tommy: The only similarities that both Seth and Joe are bald, so other than that, very, very different.

Josh: I wonder what Seth would— I wonder if Seth had hair when he was younger.

Tommy: It's like he came out of the womb like that.

Josh: I could never— well, he would have. I could never imagine Seth like— he's one of those ageless, timeless Yeah, like I, I couldn't imagine him any— I couldn't imagine him as a 19-year-old.

Tommy: Yeah, true. I'd love to see a photo of him 19. That's, uh, anyway, back to it. What do you think Seth would say?

Mason: Give me more money.

Josh: No, so what we're saying— so what we're saying is we're going to set it up as a charity thing so people can bid. HypeTheDailyTalkShow.com. Um, I don't know what the fuck we're saying.

Tommy: Yeah, we want more money. That's what we are saying. So are you willing to put in a bid Until we receive others, we're closing the auction at, when are we closing the auction? End of the year?

Josh: Derek's trying to work out whether his wife's listening, whether it's just flexing.

Mason: I'll give you guys a bit of an idea of how, what makes you driving in the car, hear someone go, I'm writing a book for no reason. I didn't catch the reason, but it's like a self-development reason, right?

Tommy: Fuck, that's the point when he's offering to buy it and he didn't even read the materials.

Mason: It's insane. I can buy thousands of hours of someone for a hunji. That's a bargain. It's like jousting sticks, right? So you've got to do it.

Tommy: Yes.

Mason: So the next question from that is for you to guys work to work out is how rich do you reckon I am when I've lived my life like that? How much more than $100 you reckon I've got?

Josh: What is the dumbest thing you've actually— I reckon $100 is a stretch then. What is the dumbest thing you've ever bought, do you think?

Mason: Oh Jesus, I'd have to have a few moments.

Josh: You've got one, just do one. What's— have you bought— that's a castle reference?

Tommy: Yeah, the castle reference.

Mason: No, not really. I bought a, like, a two-stroke Daihatsu minivan. I didn't know I was gonna be on a podcast, so I'd have to buy a slab. I don't know if that's all right.

Josh: That's fine. That's because he's audio. He's, um, Sound went on.

Mason: Yeah. So.

Josh: The phone.

Mason: Stupid things I've bought. Lots and lots of stupid. I bought a minibike this year.

Josh: This year?

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: Fuck, you could write it off if it was say 2007 as just some form of exciting bit of hype. Why are you buying a minibike in 2018?

Mason: Oh, someone sent me a picture going, oh, look at this, I'm at the swap meet in Ballarat. Do you want this minibike?

Tommy: Do you buy these things because you can then sell them?

Mason: No, no, that was just stupidity. What do you think I'm gonna sell?

Josh: Seth Godin's rewritten by Josh Janson.

Mason: In Latin.

Josh: Yeah, but I mean, the Latin bit's not happening.

Mason: 200 if it's Latin. But I'm happy to have my bid, you know, help create a situation where people go, this is worth something.

Tommy: Because it is.

Mason: My maths at the time was like, that's worth a grand.

Tommy: And so what are you saying? You'll put in 150 bucks is the bid?

Josh: What Derek is saying is he'll put in 150 bucks as long as someone outbids him. Well, that's the risk.

Mason: That's called shell bidding. It's illegal.

Josh: Is it really?

Mason: Yeah, of course.

Josh: It's illegal and immoral.

Tommy: I know he's good for it though, across a no payment plan.

Josh: Sell your minibike. How much did the minibike cost you, by the way?

Mason: It's gone. It was $170.

Josh: And you sold it for how much?

Mason: $150.

Tommy: Oh, he's taking a— taking an L.

Mason: Well, I was cleaning up, I went, what the fuck did I buy a minibike for? Doesn't go.

Tommy: All right, so $150. Can I hear— I need to hear the words from you.

Josh: Yes. Is that how they do it?

Tommy: Well, you need to hear some sort of verbal—

Josh: Well, you say, go 150, 150 anyway.

Tommy: 150, and I—

Mason: Can I conditional?

Tommy: Okay, what's the conditions?

Mason: The full music set? Subject to finance? No, not subject to finance.

Tommy: Subject to finance!

Josh: And we don't, gotta straight to the bank.

Tommy: Harvey Norman credit doesn't apply here.

Mason: No, I want the foreword written by, and written and created by Tommy Jackett.

Josh: Okay, great. You're gonna have to learn how to write.

Mason: With What Happened on the Train.

Josh: All right, that's fine. It's for charity.

Tommy: I'll reveal my card.

Mason: It's in confidence because I'll be the only one that owns it and reads it. Yeah, but I won't because someone's going to outbid me.

Tommy: I will say that's an exclusive deal just for you, Derek. No one else gets the foreword from me with The Train.

Josh: Would this ever happen at a house auction? Do they ever say, look, put their hand up and say, if I get the couch?

Mason: Yeah. I did it. When I bought my house, we went inside and you know, the real estate agent, I don't like them, right? And they, I bid up to a certain point and they go, hmm, come inside.

Josh: Yeah.

Mason: And the woman that owned the house is in the room and she's a normal person. And I'm a normal person, and my dad was in there, I think, was sitting on the bed going, what are we going to do? We need more than that, you know. And I'm, and I'm going, but anyway, in the end it was a pair of leather pants went into the deal. So we—

Josh: are you kidding me?

Tommy: You bought a dungeon?

Mason: I'm not joking. A pair of leather trousers.

Josh: What suburb?

Mason: It was in Preston.

Josh: In Preston. Where you, okay, great.

Tommy: So hang on, you gave them the leather trousers and they, that's it?

Mason: No, no, I bought a house and some leather trousers for 250 grand or something like that.

Josh: How did the leather trousers even get into the equation? I don't remember, but they weren't wearing them.

Mason: They weren't wearing, no.

Josh: Was it some sort of sleazy? It's a bit slightly sleazy.

Mason: No, they were motorcycle leather trousers.

Josh: They weren't for your fucking Lederhosen.

Mason: You know, those German ones for slapping people? No, they weren't that.

Tommy: So what I'm hearing is $150 is the new price of the handwritten Seth Godin book, This Is Marketing by Josh Janson.

Josh: And the thing, the other thing that I'm going to add, which is an exciting— have you got 15 minutes to stick around for the rest of the podcast? Okay. Yeah, yeah, great. Yeah, yeah, good. Derek's looking at TJ because making sure it was okay because TJ trolls Derek every time.

Tommy: I said, um, revenue's dropped 50% after Derek has made the way up our staircase into our office.

Josh: Derek and I love each other.

Tommy: You guys, you guys blow up and just talk about fucking podcast.

Josh: Yeah, yeah. Anyway, um, the other exciting thing which I haven't announced in regards to the book, what I've decided is I'm gonna go back and start again start writing again because I've only written sort of chapter 1, like the foreword and the chapter 1. This is the reason why, because I love wasting time.

Mason: No, because self-development.

Josh: I had done it in an exercise book and I'd asked Bree, went to Woolies, the supermarket, to get it, or she was getting some other stuff. I said, can you get the thickest exercise book you can find? And she— I was in the car minding the car, which is a whole nother story. Too much.

Tommy: Supermarkets are too much.

Josh: But I, uh, Bree called and she said they've only got a spiral book and it's only got a certain amount of, um, pages. It was only like 150. And so I said yes at the time just because I needed something to get started. But now what I'm going to do is I'm going to get some nicer lined paper that is on its own, but they can then be bound. So I'm going to write it all individually. So if I, if I fuck up a a page, I can take the whole page out, it doesn't matter. And at the end, I'll take it to, I think there's a place, you would know, binding shop.

Mason: Officeworks.

Josh: Oh, I was gonna say like something a little bit nicer with like a glue, like in the—

Mason: Well, maybe you don't write right up near the edge.

Josh: Yeah, I need like a margin or something to deal with. So that's what I'm offering now is the exciting thing.

Mason: That's much better value, to be honest.

Josh: 'Cause it's gonna be a bound book. So it'll probably end up costing me fucking $50 just to, given I haven't had to spend the $50 yet on any of the toenails.

Tommy: That can be a contribution from our business.

Josh: Exactly.

Tommy: So we're bleeding money over here, but at least it's going to charity. So what are they going to do? Oz Icy, sorry, mate, unless you've got a higher bid that you want to put through, and I know you write through on Reddit, but just at least if you want to bid, you have to do it through our email, hi@thedailytalkshow.com, subject line bid, and then put your number in. What are you willing right now? Like if you wanna go extreme, go for it 'cause then you might just knock everyone out. But right now it has to go above $150 'cause we've bullied Derek into buying the book for us.

Mason: And I say to all you out there who's interested in this book, back the fuck off, it's my bargain. It's my bargain.

Josh: A bit of demand, I like this. I like what you're doing here. I like it. What's been happening? This whole podcast thing, this—

Tommy: Which one?

Josh: Well, this, I got into my car listening to sort of mainstream radio and they're all talking about podcasts podcasts.

Tommy: Oh really?

Josh: Do you know why?

Tommy: Well, because they're all planning their— it's their exit strategy, Plan B.

Josh: No, mate, it's because a fucking podcast has potentially been the trigger of a charge, murder charge.

Mason: Two this week.

Josh: Two? Is it two this week?

Mason: Well, there's the murder one in Queensland where the guy's alive, they've arrested him, but two days before that, Rachel Brown who does Trace.

Josh: Yeah.

Mason: Which is, was the bookshop killing.

Josh: What was the bookshop killing?

Mason: That was a big one. ABC podcast called Trace. So a woman, Maria James, was murdered in her, viciously in her, in her bookshop. And, and then so she did the podcast and, you know, revealing what was going on and the, all the ridiculous mistakes the cops did. And, and there was one cop who just stuck at it and he's still legend. Um, it was— I learned a lot about this because they were, um, recording in your studio. Yeah, she came in as Michelle Laurie's guest, who does the Australian true crime podcast.

Tommy: Derek's got a podcast studio, Castaway Studios.

Mason: I do.

Tommy: Nice little plug there.

Josh: And so what she took—

Mason: well, what happened was she— it appears it's in the news again this week, 2 days before the other one kicked off, because she managed to get hold From what I can gather, this is this Rachel, was it? Yeah, yeah. So she— that, that podcast finished, I suppose, but they never end.

Josh: What was that one called?

Mason: It's called Trace.

Josh: Trace. Okay.

Mason: Yeah, so that was massive and that finished, uh, but she, uh, kept at it and so did the investigating guy who's retired now. Apparently he doesn't— he, he's never changed his phone number because he wants to just be there in case, like, it's just got him.

Josh: He's got his Older dude or something. Well, yeah, he's been around.

Mason: Retired cop. So the, um, what it was, she managed to get hold— because it was a bookshop— she managed to get hold of a magazine that had blood on it still that was bought from the bookshop as a job lot by a book dealer back in the day after the shop had sat for a few years. These details are totally made up, but look, it's— I don't know whether it was years or months.

Tommy: Okay, that's not totally made up.

Mason: The general vibe is she got hold of this magazine recently and, and Victoria Police said, and said, look, I think I've got the DNA of her on there, or whatever it is, because there was a kerfuffle in the, in one of the subsequent investigations where they took a pillow slip out of evidence and tested it for DNA when DNA kicked off, and I think it might have let someone off. Or it wasn't the priest or whatever because of, you know, yeah, it was like, so who's being—

Josh: so who got charged on that?

Mason: Nobody got charged. Both the suspects, I think, are dead.

Josh: What happened this week on that case?

Mason: On that case, the, the results, I think, found that the, the— there was a match, there was some kind of DNA match to another priest. So it looks like her son was being abused by two priests.

Tommy: Oh wow, there's an— and so there's another one So, Batuta Advocate, they do very timely posts, satirical about stuff going on. And you might be able to, 'cause I read this and I kind of laughed and I had no idea what was going on. So there's a photo of this old man and then there is a 1-star podcast review on the ratings and review section in the podcast app. And it's for that Teacher's Pet podcast. Podcast, and the review is written by a guy named Big Dawson 69, 1 star, heading: Bullshit, poorly researched, and flat out untrue. Can't believe people believe this shit. Also, the bloke that did Chris Dawson's voice was way off. And then the subject is: Chris Dawson has reportedly left a scathing review of the Teacher's Pet podcast today, shortly before being arrested for his crimes that it brought to light. So you can obviously— I obviously think that— so he got— so Chris Dawson was the killer, or what's, what's the difference?

Mason: So completely different crime. So reset. Yeah, this is a woman that went missing and was never found.

Tommy: Yes.

Mason: So a guy for the Australian newspaper funded a podcast. Headley Thomas is the name of the journo, and he did this one which he just discovered this case was just ridiculously overlooked. The guy was a rugby star and he had a twin brother and they were rugby stars. And it just felt like the cops had just gone, oh no, he's right, you know, he kind of got away with it.

Josh: Why was it called Two Coroners?

Mason: Found out, found that he— I'm like a roving reporter for true crime. Well, the two 2 coroner's reports found that that guy had most likely killed his wife, but the police still didn't investigate the coroner's.

Josh: Does that mean they— do you only do a coroner report if you've found the body, or no?

Mason: Coroner's job is not to— is to, is to decide on the cause of death. Okay, so there was nobody, so they— the coroner puts it all together like an investigator.

Josh: There was a missing person case initially, was it, or no?

Tommy: Well, yeah, but yeah, and they've never found the body. Never found the body, but they've managed to pin it on Chris Dawson, the, the killer.

Mason: Well, this year they finally, because of the podcast, yeah, they went and dug up the soft soil near the pool or whatever where everyone was thinking that's where something is, and they didn't find a body. Yeah, but for whatever reason that they probably kept to themselves, they've gone and arrested him yesterday.

Josh: Well, and so that was the husband of the lady that went missing, who was— he was a rugby player or whatever.

Mason: He was saying that he moved here 16 years— he was, he was, he was having sex with his students, like he was like a pedophile. What's weird, have you ever watched The Walking Dead or a zombie TV show? They never use the word zombie in that whole show. No, never ever, right? For some reason they just go, well, there's no zombies, it's not a zombie They call them the walkers. They call them walkers and the dead and this and that.

Josh: Yeah, so your point is the same way. I haven't heard—

Mason: I don't think I've heard the word pedophile. Yeah, in the whole Teacher's Pet thing. I think maybe it's a, a design.

Tommy: Yeah, I think so.

Mason: Well, the name they're showing for murder. Yeah, they're talking about murder. But that high school where the guy was rooting the, the, even the female teachers were rooting the boys.

Josh: Yeah.

Mason: And it was, it was just appalling. That is under complete investigation.

Josh: There's an—

Mason: because of the podcast, there's now an entire upheaval of that school system back then. There's a lot of old teachers getting in huge trouble, and about time.

Tommy: Wow.

Mason: And headmaster.

Josh: So this is good, getting the crime. Do you know what was really interesting? I was listening to traditional radio on the way home and hearing them try and talk about it because of all the legal stuff.

Tommy: Oh, they're scared.

Josh: They're trying very tip telly, but also comedy shows trying to do bits on it.

Tommy: Yeah, shifting tone.

Josh: Yeah, it was so difficult. Like, I just heard just to a point where comedians like, oh, I just, I don't think we can really cover this really. Like, after like a 5-minute break of them awkwardly trying to explain the whole thing. Yeah, it just sort of—

Tommy: what I love about is they're explaining a platform that is not radio, so people will go and listen to that. Yeah, Teacher's Pet. Or the other one, Trace. I love it. When I see a guy like this, the photo is just him top off. He probably lives up in Queensland. He's probably just going for a morning walk. This is the Chris Dawson dude. This is the Chris Dawson guy.

Josh: Have a look at him.

Tommy: Ex-footy player. But I think that's a dude that you'd probably just walk past at the beach. But yeah, I love the thought. Scary, but like meeting someone. I wonder if you've met someone in your life that's killed someone.

Josh: I definitely have.

Tommy: Well, you knew him before he killed somebody, or did you see him after the fact?

Josh: No, so I saw— so I had a friend, uh, film and TV course. He was, um, on secondment sort of thing, or taking on a role in Australia. American dude. He had a wife and a kid at the time, and, um, we hung out a bit and all that sort of thing, worked on some projects. Uh, 2 years later, he murdered his wife, who I was hanging out with as, you know, part of them. And then it turns out, it came out in all these news articles and stuff, he got like 35 years or something in prison in California. But not only that, but his previous wife had died under suspicious circumstances where she was driving, they were in the middle of nowhere. And apparently, he got stung by some bees or— And had an allergic reaction and she was zooming to get him to the hospital. And they were going around the corner and she missed the turn, went off the side of the road, off sort of a real high cliff sort of thing. And he managed to get off out of the car, roll out of the car in time.

Mason: And the Uzi went off as the car hit the tree.

Josh: Yeah. And so, like the fire, all that sort of thing. So, isn't that crazy? Though.

Tommy: So what I just thought then that I'd never thought about when you told me that, he must have had to sting himself with AB to make it seem like he needed that help. Because if he says that's his storey and they go, we can test you to see if you are—

Mason: did they test you?

Tommy: Did you have an allergic reaction?

Josh: That's the whole thing. I think that in all of these situations, they don't do that. Like, you can go into the articles. The interesting— they did a crime I guess I can say his name now that he's sort of—

Tommy: You've said it on the podcast before.

Josh: Yeah, Todd Winkler. If you Google him—

Tommy: I sound like a real killer.

Josh: Yeah, Todd Winkler. But I had him on like Facebook, on LinkedIn, all that sort of thing. Spent time with him and it was very weird because he was this sort of charismatic dude. So that's the thing, it is the— there, I fell onto a— now that I'm on social media, I did go on Reddit last night and I found this, um, there was a a Reddit post around red flags or so. It was just called like red flags. It's like red flags in life that you didn't realise until after the fact. And what came out is the amount of compulsive liars there are in the world. Like people who just, like people saying, oh yeah, my partner said that she was like an ex-soccer player who was like, you know, played college level, that sort of thing. And then, comes out after the fact that all of these things are fake. So like, there are— there's a lot of lying going on that we don't know, isn't it? It's terrifying.

Tommy: A girl that I grew up with, I remember, um, she was my friend's first girlfriend. I had my first girlfriend, and we'd all hang out together. And she was normal, went to a private school in Elsternwick.

Mason: That's not normal.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, I guess that's the—

Josh: isn't normal. They had security guards there and were doing investigations.

Tommy: I found out years later, I saw in the news she'd stabbed someone 28 times or something. She was an ice addict and she stabbed her dealer, and the people in the area was in St. Kilda, just near my house. People in the area reported that she walked off laughing.

Josh: That's pretty fucked up.

Tommy: So she's got 20 years or something. She's got a long time she's in prison.

Mason: Do you think it feels like— I don't want to get too controversial.

Josh: No, do it.

Mason: But you do hear about these multiple stabbings. One of these crimes we talked about, yeah, was like that in Northcote. And you hear about it, multiple stabbings, and in the TV shows they say, well, you know, that means it's personal, or it means it's anger, you know, it means something. Well, I reckon it means that, you know, maybe 1 in 10 people could go, 'Phwoar, that felt good, I want to do it a million times.' Well, you have to, like, I guess it's the because the first one could be almost impulsive. People are still wriggling. Yeah. And you go, and then just quickly, I've got to finish it as quickly as possible, maybe.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: I mean, what's your vibe? Like, do you get a bit down listening to all these crime stuff?

Mason: I don't, I don't, I don't listen. I know it sounds weird now. I don't—

Tommy: the guy that had a lot of information—

Mason: I don't really listen to true crime podcasts because it does make me feel down.

Josh: Yeah.

Mason: Uh, it's always interesting. I was having a chat to a True Crimer the other day about the—

Josh: they've got their own fucking name now, True Crime.

Tommy: It's a niche. They've niched it.

Mason: Yeah, well, I just made that up.

Josh: Do you reckon— I wonder if there's a higher percentage of true crimers that are in fact murderers.

Tommy: Oh, that'd be interesting.

Mason: In fact, I wonder if one day they will become—

Josh: no, but it's their niche, isn't it? Do you think that— we were talking about this, um, yesterday. I was saying that I'd felt uncomfortable when I brought up the hot chocolate rapist dude, and I was like, I actually don't know what I was it was an interesting fact and I was connecting it with the fact of it was weird for me to bring up as I was giving Mr. 97 a hot chocolate. But then I said in reflection, I was like, was I making light of something? Do you think that there's a risk with these murder cases and all that sort of stuff that we've trivialised it to the point that the Tutor Advocate can do a post about a murderer and we can all laugh about it.

Mason: You've got to get to that. And I think you're right, uh, what you were saying yesterday, or I can't remember if it was Real World or podcast, but that was real world where once you're considered a comedian, yes, you've got the licence and people need that. They go to you to get that, and I'm not a comedian, relief.

Tommy: Yeah.

Mason: And if you're not, yeah, then they go, you're an insensitive prick.

Tommy: Yeah, there is, there is the balance.

Mason: But if you are a broadcaster, so, you know, I like to hear what the mind process, that's what it's all about. Like what made me suddenly tell you that story? Tell us that storey about telling Mr. 97 that story. I like it. I like the idea of getting into a car and someone jumps in for the first time and you go, "Fuck, the last time I drove a manual like this, I went right over a cliff." You know, watching them get scared. Funny, I thought it was—

Tommy: But I jumped out the last window, my wife died, I got stung by a bee. Is it that same story?

Josh: Jesus Christ.

Tommy: Yeah, it's full on.

Josh: Yeah, it's, I can't consume the stuff, but I can, we're talking about Michelle Laurie stuff, which you're helping her with. What I like about that is it is specific, it's almost issue-based. So I liked that there was, oh, we're gonna cover this African gang stuff and have someone who's on the contrasting end having a conversation with someone who has a different opinion.

Mason: Yeah, it's a journalist approach.

Josh: Yeah, which I really enjoy.

Tommy: I'm still in top 100 podcasts I was browsing last night, Serial, episode 1, season 1. So that's the, it's still going.

Josh: There'd be a huge, I heard someone talking this morning on the radio, I think there's been over 24, it's the Pets, what, Teacher's Pet? Teacher's Pet. Teacher's Pet podcast. Reached over 24 million people. Wow. That's a lot of people. Yeah. That's like bigger than Australia. What's the Australian population?

Mason: That's people. Yeah. That's not independent downloads.

Tommy: Yeah, we got 27 million here, no, 22 million. It's between 22 and 30.

Josh: It's done a lot of people.

Mason: The podcast in Melbourne was like 15.

Tommy: No, mate.

Mason: How big's Melbourne?

Tommy: You haven't left Easy Street in years.

Mason: There's like 10 times as many people in Easy Street.

Josh: I'm sure. I'm sure that there's less than, but that's the thing, people in fucking Woop Woop say they're still in Melbourne. Like Melbourne encompasses a lot. Greater Melbourne's probably like 5, maybe.

Tommy: I tell you what, I don't think we can make jokes about murder cases, but I think we're a show that could probably have an in discussion about if you were to do it based on technology and the landscape, how would you get away with it? And do you think— okay, first, do you think you could get away with a murder? And if so, then how would you? That's an interesting one.

Mason: What two things I believe in? My ability to do stuff.

Tommy: Yeah.

Mason: And my ability to fuck stuff up. And I've watched enough TV to know that sooner or later, if you— no matter how well you plan something.

Josh: Yeah, that's a good— that's a good— that's a good— it stops you murdering people. Because I thought you were going to say there's two things What was the first one?

Mason: Doing stuff.

Josh: Doing stuff. I thought it was gonna be doing stuff. The second one?

Mason: Lying.

Josh: Or getting away with stuff. Getting away with stuff, which is fucking psychopathic. But no, I think that that's—

Mason: Killing people that do stuff better.

Josh: Yeah, but I just, I think that it would be, um, I couldn't imagine— I'll preface all of this with I couldn't imagine ever physically doing that, like being able to live with yourself to be able to do that. But then also Um, yeah, what it like, it seems like with all the technology that we have now, mate, there's cameras everywhere.

Tommy: We've been on 5 cameras at least today that probably can't—

Josh: that was just in the bloody BMC toilet.

Tommy: That was in a BMW. No, the phones, where you are, every conversation, people you're speaking to.

Josh: It wasn't a BMW, that was a conspiracy Jimmy joke.

Tommy: Yeah, it's— yeah, well, this is who I've actually chatted fully gone through the scenario with Conspiracy Jimmy.

Josh: Well, look at all the shit that happened.

Mason: He would never do a murder.

Tommy: He would never do a murder, but NASA would know within seconds.

Josh: It's so true.

Tommy: The out is wearing the foil hat, get away with anything. But it, yeah, it is an interesting one to— I don't— yeah, like you said, I don't think— I think if you think you can get away with it, that's all it is, a thought. It's not the reality because it is fucking hard these days.

Josh: I mean, I feel guilty just from eating a tub of ice cream yesterday. Like how could I do a murder? You looked disgusted when I said that.

Tommy: Did you eat a tub of ice cream yesterday?

Josh: Well, yeah, the reason I did it though was because—

Tommy: You can just say yes, I didn't ask for a reason. I was just gonna say what flavor.

Mason: I think it was how big the tub is too.

Josh: It was gingerbread. But the problem was the reason was so, what would, not unfair, it doesn't make any sense the reason. The reason was, that I'd bought it when I was eating that stuff a bit. I was really healthy yesterday, didn't have anything bad, but I got home and I'm at mum and dad's for the next few weeks.

Tommy: Lynn had eaten all the wagon wheels.

Josh: Yeah, Lynn said, no, do you know what she said?

Mason: They're too small these days, you have to have 2 or 3.

Josh: Derek knows what's up. No, but mum said, there's ice cream in the freezer, we need to make room in the freezer. Yeah. Oh, Mom's the enabler. Yeah, so the tub was there, so I was like, "Oh, I'll just eat it." And then do you know what the funny thing was? I said to Mom, I'm like, "Should I put it in a bowl?" And she goes, "Oh, I actually just eat it out of the tub. I think there's something real American about it. I like it." And so I did, I fucking sat there and ate the whole gingerbread thing. And then I had to lie down and write my blog post for the day and just felt like, "This is why I don't do this shit." Welcome to Ryeville. That's what that was. Wow. It could be a whole series.

Tommy: Quick recap before we finish up. So Derek's the current leader of the bid at $150 for—

Mason: You beauty, bring on the book.

Tommy: Josh's handwritten Seth Godin, "This Is Marketing" book. So your bids need to come through.

Josh: If it's over $1,000, I'll do it before Christmas. If we get it in by, which it's not gonna happen anyway, but by the 10th. Yeah. If it was by the 10th and it was over $1,000 to a charity.

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: That's based on, we're gonna ask Seth Godin what charity and then hopefully he doesn't give too much pushback. I mean, it'd be pretty—

Tommy: I really, can we, no, let's write it first before we contact him. Yeah, absolutely. 'Cause I would love for him to just go, sorry, Josh, you can't do it. And then Derek and I will laugh 'cause you'll be $150 richer 'cause you hadn't dropped the money and—

Josh: And we've still got the book.

Tommy: We've still got the book.

Josh: The other thing I was thinking—

Tommy: Josh wasted his time, wasted his time.

Josh: Do you know what I'm gonna do as well? Just for my own, Records, I'm actually going to— you'll get— whoever buys it will get the original copy, but I'm actually just going to photocopy it anyway and then have my own version just so I have one because it's—

Mason: Seth, if you're listening, catch this, send him an email right now.

Tommy: Cease and desist.

Mason: Cease and desist. This is— he's read the marketing book and he's worked out what to do. Is it about marketing?

Josh: Yes.

Mason: Is it going to be—

Tommy: the book's called This Is Marketing.

Mason: Okay. Is it going to be valuable to me.

Josh: Yes, I think so.

Mason: So if my handwriting— someone who wanted to throw into the charity, yeah, if I won the charity, what does that mean? Someone is willing to double it, I'll read it, the whole book out.

Tommy: Oh, you've got the audiobooks of Derek's?

Josh: That's fucking great.

Mason: All right, from Josh's handwriting.

Josh: Wait, so how does that happen?

Tommy: So if it goes over $1,000, you'll do the audiobook version.

Mason: I'll read them. I'll read it.

Josh: That would be great, mate. That's a big commitment. But now, when is, uh, is it a big book? I imagine, uh, yeah, it's, uh, 200. It's in my back.

Tommy: 200 and over 250 pages.

Josh: Oh God.

Tommy: So it's all those, like, yeah, you'll be, you'll be fine.

Josh: But it'll be When's What Now Derek coming back during late Jan. Late Jan. Yeah, but there's 50 episodes if people want to hear it, uh, What Now Derek. Is Derek's podcast, and you're also— you produce a couple as well. What are you producing at the moment?

Mason: Well, pretty soon I've got a famous rapper coming in to be on the More Than a Wheel and Poetry podcast.

Tommy: Who's that?

Josh: Which rapper?

Mason: I can't remember. I'm not obliged to know the names of all the famous rappers, but no, not Eminem.

Josh: Illy?

Tommy: Would you know his name?

Mason: Rake or Drake or something?

Tommy: Definitely not Drake.

Mason: Illy? Illy filmed a video clip down here.

Tommy: Did he?

Mason: Yeah, in this building.

Josh: Brand of coffee.

Mason: A few years back.

Josh: Yeah.

Mason: Because I remember going, who's that? And Dion going, it's Illy.

Josh: And you've also, if you just Google Castaway Studios, you can also fucking, you can book out Derek's podcast studio. It's The Daily Talk Show. hi@thedailytalkshow.com if you want to get in on the bid. Bid in the subject line and then your amount.

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: And it's, um.

Tommy: It has to be above $150 as of today's episode.

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show. Have a good one.