Our First Video Episode

Tommy: Wait a minute! Frostface! The Daily Talk Show, a conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Janson and Tommy Jackett.

Josh: It's a Daily Talk Show episode 231.

Tommy: Hump day. No, it's not.

Josh: I just stuffed up Tuesday.

Tommy: I just stuffed up the day and you stuffed up the number before we started this episode.

Josh: 3:15 PM here in Melbourne. It is It is 5:15 PM in Fiji.

Tommy: Is it? Yeah. Have you got that on your watch?

Josh: No.

Tommy: No, you don't.

Josh: I actually had to look. I spent way too much time then trying to figure out what country.

Tommy: For our Fijian audience.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Okay.

Josh: I don't know if it's huge there.

Tommy: And I don't know if we have anyone from Fiji.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: I had a win before. I was walking in the street. I just thought we'd start light before we kind of go a bit deeper. Walking along.

Josh: Thanks. For letting us know.

Tommy: I was texting while walking, stepped on a piece of dog shit, realized— it's like I knew as soon as I made the, the texture underneath my foot changed. I stepped and I was like, oh no, look straight— like I was looking down, but I just looked past my phone. It was a dry piece of dog shit. Nothing stuck to my foot. I thought, I'm having a good day.

Josh: It's not much of a win.

Tommy: It's a win.

Josh: I guess it's a win.

Tommy: I stepped in dog shit. And it didn't go on my foot.

Josh: The other day, I think there's an actual problem on Easy Street when it comes to dog shit.

Tommy: It's Tofu, the local famous dog.

Josh: We need to kill the dog.

Tommy: Tofu Pupper. It's, look at my, I just looked at the camera.

Josh: I thought you weren't gonna mention it.

Tommy: I wasn't gonna, well, you have to now.

Josh: We're recording this video. We're recording a video because we thought, why the fuck not? We had Mason, Mr. 97 here, and we thought, we've got the cameras. We have all of this shit. Why aren't we using it?

Tommy: Yeah, we are a production company, but we've never filmed an episode of our own. We film bits and pieces.

Josh: Does it feel different?

Tommy: It feels so different. We actually spoke about this. So this is our office that you're seeing. I'll look at the camera. This is our office you're kind of seeing. And we're going to be live streaming from here, but it just takes— it is such another element.

Josh: You were saying to me that like I shouldn't wear headphones and I just feel completely out of place with the whole thing.

Tommy: There has to be some, how many episodes would it be for us to actually get in the groove?

Josh: 10.

Tommy: 10 episodes?

Josh: I reckon 2 weeks of us doing this all the time. But what we'll talk, 'cause don't you feel the tendency that you wanna look at the camera? Definitely. I just feel like I feel so much more comfortable right now if I'm, I won't, but that's how I feel.

Tommy: 100%. But maybe because that's all the time that we've done anything that's with the camera, it's usually directed down the barrel and talking to somebody.

Josh: What you were saying to me is what I wanted to do for the live stream was to be actually in charge of pressing the button, switching the cameras.

Tommy: Definitely not.

Josh: You don't think I can do it?

Tommy: No chance. It would be so— like, think about you now having to switch back to yourself when you want to talk. So you're thinking about the button, you probably disconnect with me. It's already— it's He's back on him.

Josh: Yeah, I'm just— if you're not watching visually, I just did a little flick.

Tommy: He's back on me. He's back on you.

Josh: I think it'd be easy. So right now I'd be on you.

Tommy: Yeah, I actually want you to be in the conversation.

Josh: On me. Yeah, I know it's hard.

Tommy: Back on me. I wanted to have you— I want you to be in the conversation because it's easy. Like, I even feel like with the video I have to lock eyes with you more. Not that we do this podcast looking away from each other, but there is a relaxed element. I don't know, we'll get used to it.

Josh: So with the live stream thing, Can we actually just talk a sec about what we can commit to with the live stream? What do you think that we— So, we've got our mate Shawny who is organising for us a podcast desk.

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: We're calling it the plectrum.

Tommy: Well, it's the shape of a plectrum.

Josh: Which is a guitar pick.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, guitar pick. Not that I've ever used one, but it's a good shape. It's the Seth Godin podcast desk shape.

Josh: Yeah, it's sort of a triangular thing, but the idea is that we can it would be equal power across every corner. So it's not like you got a head of a table where it feels like someone's sort of controlling the conversation.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah.

Josh: I did have a sneaky conversation with Sean and asked for an extra mil on my side just for a little bit of a power play.

Tommy: I love it. Then if I engraved my name on that side of the desk. No, there's no engraving on the desk, but it's, it's another element.

Josh: I didn't—

Tommy: even having our own table, because we're— this, this table that we're at right now if you're listening, just go on to our Reddit where we'll post this video.

Josh: Okay. Or can we do it on our YouTube channel?

Tommy: Yeah, we can do it on our YouTube channel.

Josh: Let's do that.

Tommy: Um, and watch it. And this table, this is just like a random sort of co-work space that we have here in the office. So it'll be different to have our own. It'll become like a safe space, I think.

Josh: Yeah, a bit of a character once we've done a bunch of episodes. I do feel very similar to how I felt with Matt D'Avella's podcast. Do you get the same sort of feeling?

Tommy: Yeah, definitely, because what I found was I had to, you have to make more eye contact.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: It's not that you have, I mean, you make eye contact anyway, but you have to think about the eye contact 'cause you can't look off to the camera. Like you can't give the sneaky camera look.

Josh: Did you feel when you watched it back, did you notice anything when you look at yourself around, I don't like this about myself, or I'm gonna do this more?

Tommy: No, I've looked at myself enough on video.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So I've kind of got past that.

Josh: 'Cause you say I do some things.

Tommy: Yeah, you've got, if you hold a phone up in your hand and there's your forehead turns into—

Josh: I think it's 'cause I got little eyes.

Tommy: A drought-stricken ground.

Josh: Well, 'cause I've got little eyes. Do you? Anytime someone, yeah, absolutely. Like you take my glasses off, everyone like gets quite—

Tommy: Look down the barrel of the camera now.

Josh: Yeah. Like people get real freaked out by it, but the—

Tommy: It wouldn't be one thing I'd say, Josh, this is my mate Josh, he's got little eyes.

Josh: I feel like I've got more to offer just, but no, I think that maybe when I go smile for a photo, I like, you can't really trust someone who's got little eyes.

Tommy: But then what we're talking about is—

Josh: And I don't have big eyes.

Tommy: The perception of ourselves, which isn't always the truth for somebody else. Because I can sort of look and see the like things on my face.

Josh: What are you looking at? What are— so for me, the insecurity, if I could look shit, I could have terrible hair, but as long as I don't look fat, I'm fine.

Tommy: Okay, yeah, I don't have that. I've never thought that. I've never looked, so I can't relate to that. What if I had bad skin? That's probably the worst one. I noticed that I kept doing this I'm like scrunching up my forehead and I wasn't willing to have Botox, not that I thought about that. So I stopped that. I just—

Josh: What, during the show?

Tommy: No, no, no, in life. No, I think I was okay in the show.

Josh: But we've discussed it before, but I've got, for some reason over the last year and a half, I've like, my eyes have begun to do some weird twitchy stuff.

Tommy: Yeah, I tell you to stop winking at me.

Josh: Do you think that's an actual problem? Do you think I've got like a mild form of Tourette's?

Tommy: Definitely not. I think it's some kind of lacking in vitamin based around your diet. If I was to put money on it.

Josh: Like what? Like I just need to eat more oranges?

Tommy: No, I wouldn't even, I'm not going to say, I don't know.

Josh: No, well, what do you, don't.

Tommy: I'm not going to say because I don't know.

Josh: Well, you're saying it like I'm not going to say because it's, no. Which vitamin is it?

Tommy: Magnesium.

Josh: Do you think?

Tommy: I don't know. Let me just quickly search this up.

Josh: What are you going to search? What? He's using Siri.

Tommy: Siri's not available. Yeah, this is—

Josh: No, don't. So is it sticky eye? Is that what we need to— Mr. 97, can you have a look for all these?

Tommy: You've got a twitch eye. Twitch.

Josh: Is it dry eye symptoms?

Tommy: Maybe. That's a good one.

Josh: Dry eyes. Is dry— dry eye doesn't sound— dry eye sounds about as good as a toe Uh, ingrown toe.

Tommy: All right, here we go. Eyelid twitching may be triggered by alcohol intake. No, because you don't drink. Bright light. It's pretty bright.

Josh: I reckon it probably is that. It's pretty good. Can you see my eye doing weird stuff now?

Tommy: This one might be it. Caffeine excess. So it could be because you're punching 3, 3 strong lattes a day. Fatigue. I think it's a part of that too.

Josh: I reckon, I think it's right, the caffeine consumption, because The other thing, we get a special deal being down at the coffee shop downstairs because we're in the building. And what I discovered is, I thought it was a bargain that a strong flat white costs the same as a normal flat white.

Tommy: Yeah, $3. It is. It's old school coffee prices.

Josh: With almond milk. Yeah. And so, I've been having like a lot of double, what do they call it? Like strong coffees.

Tommy: Yeah, strong coffee. Are you stressed at all? You're not smoking, that was one of the others.

Josh: No, I think it's definitely the caffeine thing.

Tommy: Physical exertion?

Josh: How do you feel about me just going off? Like now that I'm retired from social media, retiring from coffee. I only did it for 3 years. I started late, I was like 25 when I started drinking coffee.

Tommy: But the addiction's running deep. You're really addicted.

Josh: It's social.

Tommy: Yeah, it is a hard one because you want it— like, if we go for a meeting, you don't want to be the hot chocolate guy.

Josh: I can't be that guy, can I?

Tommy: You were that guy.

Josh: I can be that guy. Yeah, I was that guy.

Tommy: But which guy do you want to be?

Josh: Well, I don't know if I can be that. I think there's something— I know Mr. 97 has hot chocolates, but there is something a bit pathetic about the hot chocolate guy, don't you think?

Tommy: Yeah, there's something pathetic about Mr. 97.

Josh: Do you know what? I was, um, It's like slightly dark. But when I was giving Mr. 97 his hot chocolate, for whatever reason, when I gave it to him, I was reminded of the hot chocolate rapist. Oh God. Do you remember this thing?

Tommy: No. Who's—

Josh: It was like, it was a guy who was spiking hot chocolates. Okay. But the problem was that it was just my timing of bringing that up was as I gave Mason. And so Mason's— I said, no, it was really a thing.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And so Mason's like Googling and he was like, oh yeah, the guy got, uh, 12 years.

Tommy: Was he in Melbourne?

Josh: And he's— he was— was he in Melbourne? I think he was. Surely if he was in Melbourne, he would have been there. The coffee—

Tommy: what is it? What's the Melbourne coffee? The cold drip.

Josh: The cold drip.

Tommy: It's a very Melbourne coffee.

Josh: No, but the, uh— I did feel a little bit uncomfortable because he was Googling all of this stuff, learning about it. Yeah, just slowly drinking his hot chocolate. Yeah.

Tommy: And he passed out by the end of it. No, he didn't.

Josh: The, the, um, I was really into the crime channels when I was younger.

Tommy: See, this is the problem. I didn't have Foxtel, so that's because either I missed out on it. There was a channel, it was on Foxtel.

Josh: And because I just remember specific things, and one of the things I remember is there were these, this couple that would get into murdering, and they'd be driving along, and when they picked, they'd pick someone up, and then they would say if they were going to murder the person, they would say, oh, I've got the munchies. Have you got the munchies, love? And they'll be like, yeah, I've got the— that was code too. You're gonna fucking kill the person.

Tommy: That's horrible.

Josh: So I feel like I'm triggered any one time someone says, oh, I've got the fucking— anyone got the munchies? Yeah, I straight away think of murdering.

Tommy: I mean, they were either stoners as well as murderers.

Josh: Munchies is specifically based on doing pot and then feeling like food?

Tommy: Yeah, you get extremely hungry.

Josh: But can I have the munchies without doing weed? Definitely, but I think it's a result of smoking weed that you get more likely to—

Tommy: Yeah, you get super hungry and then things taste unbelievable. So that's why, that's where that's come from.

Josh: But this whole resurgence of crime stuff, I don't know if this is because of podcasting, I don't know if this is just specifically in Australia, but I guess they had Serial Yeah. And I got right into that, but I just don't know if I can do these long— Like, I was listening to Michelle Laurie's Australian crime, true crime show, and what I liked about it was it wasn't, it wasn't just a whole story. I thought it was going to be one of the ones like Serial where you enter in and you have to all of a sudden you're investing like 6 hours a week to follow along whether Adnan killed chicken or not.

Tommy: I still don't know.

Josh: That's, uh, but are you consuming this stuff?

Tommy: No, I've listened to Michelle Laurie's podcast and I like it. I like, because I remember I was into it as a kid, not because I watched Foxtel, but because I used to speak to this guy who was like a security guard at our, the private school I went to.

Josh: How many murders is he seeing?

Tommy: No, he was a part of the special operations group.

Josh: This sounds like a bullshit story. No, security guard.

Tommy: Dr. Drew. Mr. Drew, his name was.

Josh: Dr. Drew.

Tommy: No, not Dr. Drew, Mr. Drew. And here's the problem with Mr. Drew.

Josh: Mr. Drew was a compulsive liar who managed to get a job at Chubb Security.

Tommy: No, 100%, he was in the special operations group. And so when— no, he— I've met people since that have known him.

Josh: Dr. Drew. Mr. Drew.

Tommy: Mr. Drew. He's not a doctor. Anyway, he used to tell us, because the gangland murders were happening at the time that I was probably year 9, and this was when the different gangs in Melbourne were all killing each other. And so we would ask him questions because he spent time like in the force fighting this stuff, and he had info. And so we were— and Chopper, Chopper Reid was huge when I was a kid.

Josh: Like, and then he was— so he went from doing that to being in a security car outside Wesley?

Tommy: No, it wasn't a security car. He was like, he used to investigate when kids would steal laptops and he'd like find all the clues.

Josh: At school?

Tommy: I know, he was forceful in his approach.

Josh: But you had a security guard at your school?

Tommy: Yeah, 100%. It's a private school, there's lots of like lots of money, lots of kids with money.

Josh: Because I've got friends who are doing all right and they like, security was a reason because I said, are you sending them to I was like, public's good, all that sort of thing. And they're like, no, it's actually like security. The school was able to provide all these X, Y, and Z. Like, yeah, it's got high fencing, all that. I just thought it was absolutely crazy.

Tommy: There's no— so what happens when there's laptops around? There's young pubescent children, probably the boys, stealing all the laptops. It was happening. Shit went missing. And so they needed someone to make sure that it was all above board.

Josh: What do you reckon he's on?

Tommy: I don't even know if he'd be there. He'd be— could be retired by now, but he could have been on $80 grand.

Josh: $80K package.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, he's just in the staff room, no gun. Not— not—

Josh: yeah, but fucking—

Tommy: the point is he's not going to get murdered, so he's making $80,000. Yeah, with less risk of dying on the, you know, out in the field.

Josh: Do you know what sort of shit he was dealing with internally? So there was laptops.

Tommy: What else? Um, just just shit going missing. He pulled me aside a bunch of times. He used to have this firm handshake where he would just squeeze your hand. And he used to—

Josh: I think there's something like, not to bring up the bikie thing again, but it's a little, there's something a little bit pathetic about it.

Tommy: I think more—

Josh: It's like a mall cop.

Tommy: Yeah, he's basically a mall cop. But he, so—

Josh: He's one off, he's a blazer off having like a Westfield logo.

Tommy: I think what he loved about it was that he was like, all the young kids were interested in his storeys and he'd just go to school. I don't know how much was an act because he was really sort of stern with the older kids.

Josh: Did he have a uniform?

Tommy: He used to wear a crummy suit. He was pretty much— You don't know this guy, Liam Neeson, who was in—

Josh: I do know, Taken.

Tommy: From Taken. He had that vibe, but I don't know, he talked like he was Liam Neeson or like Alec Baldwin or something. Is that Alec Baldwin's in Mission Impossible? So I'm talking about the character that they play. Okay, the character they play was what he was. He was like a character, this dude at the school who would be— he'd always fucking pop up. There he is, just walking around.

Josh: What would he say to you?

Tommy: Yeah, he'd get out, boys. Not much, he'd just be kind of looking for things. He, he like interrogated me once.

Josh: What about bullying? Would he jump in when it comes to bullying?

Tommy: Yeah, fights, all of this stuff. Like, he would be trying to keep it in line.

Josh: So if it was, if there was kids being bullied on social media—

Tommy: Wasn't around then.

Josh: So let's just pretend that it's 2018 and you're still in school. Would he have been like, mate, show me your phone, I want to see the Facebook messages?

Tommy: I could imagine him getting you in a room and saying, we need to see your phone.

Josh: Do you think that we could get him on the podcast?

Tommy: I can get someone that I know knows him.

Josh: So this guy on the podcast, I'm not interested in speaking to the mate of the security guard.

Tommy: I don't know what he'd be doing. He would be old. Like when he was there, he was 55, and so I reckon he'd be close to 70 now.

Josh: Do you know if there are any, like, do schools have cold cases? What do you mean? I mean, has he got a case from like 15 years ago where something happened? Not like fucking deaths or anything, but shit, it's like the case from 1997. That he still, he had on his files from all the other security guards.

Tommy: I just wonder the sort of inner workings. Did he keep notes? Was he like, I can't remember him taking notes, but he used to be, he used to sort of like, I think you probably weren't involved in the trouble in schools.

Josh: So were you in the SRC president?

Tommy: Yeah, 100%. So you have no idea of the shit kids get up to. Well, no, I was stealing laptops, orgies, or drug dealing. Like kids are doing this shit. Bullshit, man.

Josh: Kids are doing it. Orgies. Kids are doing orgies.

Tommy: You know, three-way kissing. That's what he called it. No, he didn't. But seriously, he was like on the case. Graffiti. So like around the school, if some kid did graffiti, he'd be sniffing out, interrogating kids to find out who's writing, you know, JJ on the walls. It's pretty clear who it was. It wasn't— it was you.

Josh: So where did he— did he have his own office?

Tommy: Oh fuck, I can't remember.

Josh: He would have had Venetian blinds, don't you think? Yeah, spends all his time just trying to find fucking like, you know how that's really hard sometimes? They don't all like move at the same time.

Tommy: No, I don't know.

Josh: I could just imagine it like a noir film, that sort of the style. Yeah, a lot of cigar. Like, for whatever reason, he was able to smoke in his room.

Tommy: He was, he was a, um, he was a really hard dude.

Josh: I just, I can't see the connection between a hard dude. Yeah. And the security guard at a high school.

Tommy: Yeah, it sounds, it sounds— it's probably what he's battled with his whole career.

Josh: Well, just think about the security guard. Like, I just, I always get blown away in US of how many people have uniforms. Yeah. And like, that's what I love about UPS.

Tommy: I love—

Josh: why don't couriers in Australia wear uniforms? They're all high-vis.

Tommy: I want to see high-vis.

Josh: Yeah, beautiful, well-ironed, khaki, short shorts.

Tommy: I know you do. UPS, that ugly brown colour.

Josh: I like that. I think there's something like it. Maybe it's Americana about it. Yeah. But I just like that sort of— and they've got the the door off, they've got a big, like they're big, they're nothing like you've seen. They look like toy trucks.

Tommy: Doesn't Australia Post have some kind of uniform? I don't know, maybe there's a pushback from it to give people some more freedom.

Josh: Do we just not have the pride? Yeah. In our work?

Tommy: It creates a very structured way of sort of operating.

Josh: Because you would see people in the States where you're like, these people must be cops, and it turns out that they just like, um, they work at the council.

Tommy: There's lots of, um, like private security though with guns.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And so they're carrying guns, and so you could— you wouldn't be able to tell what they are.

Josh: It's like those, um, train officers now that are in the PSO, but they can—

Tommy: they look 100%.

Josh: Well, they are basically cops, aren't they?

Tommy: They've got guns on them. So I mean, yeah, they're sorting shit out. But yeah, I don't think we could get this guy into the podcast.

Josh: Okay. That's right, because he's that sort of—

Tommy: Nah, I don't know.

Josh: Yeah, I get it. I understand.

Tommy: I just, I wouldn't want to speak to him personally because—

Josh: Do you have sort of bad memories of the whole thing?

Tommy: Yeah, he got me in a fair bit of trouble.

Josh: Or did you get yourself in a fair bit of trouble?

Tommy: I mean, I got caught for the crimes.

Josh: What did you actually do? Tell me the worst crime.

Tommy: Nah, nothing actually. I'm actually not going there. There's just stupid little petty shit. Nothing. I wasn't stealing laptops.

Josh: It's okay, you can repent. Is that what— Is that too religious? Repent?

Tommy: It was like travelling on trains.

Josh: Be honest.

Tommy: Causing a ruckus is what I'm saying, but I'm not going to go—

Josh: Just tell me one that you're like actually ashamed of, that you're ashamed about.

Tommy: Traveling on a train, incident happened, and somehow he fucking found out about it.

Josh: What was the incident?

Tommy: You're not getting there. I'm not actually talking about it. It's irrelevant to the situation. But so yeah, anyway, he's not coming out there.

Josh: No, you can tell me. No, what actually— No, I know you're not proud of it.

Tommy: It is 100% blown out of proportion.

Josh: Okay, well, you just tell me you're going to tell me.

Tommy: And you're only getting into this because the cameras are on, you're putting on a show.

Josh: Do you think?

Tommy: 100%, 100%.

Josh: I'll double down on it then.

Tommy: Nah.

Josh: Is it really that bad?

Tommy: No, that's why it's irrelevant. But you asked me, have I been in trouble from him?

Josh: If it's not that bad, just say it then.

Tommy: But it's not relevant to this situation.

Josh: Okay. So you were on the train.

Tommy: Something happened. I actually didn't do the thing on the train. And so someone—

Josh: Someone pissed or something.

Tommy: Something happened and then he was interrogating everyone.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: Yeah. It's, yeah. Not talking about it.

Josh: Okay. I was—

Tommy: But you definitely doubled down on it because—

Josh: Because of the cameras. You know that that fucking disables me. It's like when mum says I'm showing off. It's the quickest way to disable that. You're showing off.

Tommy: You're showing off. But I think there's some merit to it. In some circumstances.

Josh: A lot of drama happening in Roiville at the moment.

Tommy: Really? At the house?

Josh: Not specifically at the house this time, at one of the local cafes. Bree, feel free to come in. No worries at all. Sorry about the squeaking, everyone. No, big drama because one of the local cafes has changed ownership. Which I don't really care that much.

Tommy: But hang on, who goes there? And is it—

Josh: I go there. Yeah, it's become my local. I'll say it, my local's in Rowville. That's cool. I'm a Rowville guy.

Tommy: You live in Rowville?

Josh: I live in Rowville. VicRoads don't know that, but I live in Rowville. I need to update that. Did I tell that story? Did I mention the fact that you can't, um, you can't— if you've got a redirect set up, you mean, on your, um— so say I used to live on a street. I don't live there anymore, but I've got a redirect of that mail to my PO box because I'm sort of a little bit homeless. I mean, I'm living at my parents', but it's not going to be for long. I just use my old address to send the new licence. They can't do— they don't honour redirects. So, they've sent it to the place and I can't have access to it. I think I might have mentioned it.

Tommy: The only similarity between you being homeless and living at your parents' is that homeless people don't pay to live on the street and you don't pay to live at home.

Josh: Very true.

Tommy: There's the only similarity.

Josh: Although we did buy What do we buy? Some milk? Yeah. And some self-raising flour. Mum gave me—

Tommy: You mean you were helping out around the house?

Josh: Mum gave us a pineapple. I'm like, Mum, keep your money. Pineapple being the $50 note.

Tommy: Yes, yes.

Josh: But anyway, so no, the drama is around this cafe sent a text message to let everyone know that there's new owners.

Tommy: The new people in it sent the text message? That's not a bad idea. If they had a mailing list, how the fuck do they have your number?

Josh: Yeah, well, so it came to my mum Okay. There's only one problem. What do you think one problem would be for a— what would the classic fuck-up be for a local cafe doing something like that?

Tommy: That they completely change what the previous cafe did?

Josh: No, specifically around the communications.

Tommy: Okay, what do you mean?

Josh: Like, I'll just fucking tell you. They sent it as a group message, so 150 people all had each other's numbers on a text message.

Tommy: Yeah, you can mute the call. Can you opt out of it?

Josh: I don't know, but someone was saying like you fucked up, you've just sent this to every single person. What would you do with that? What are some creative ways? What are some things that we could do?

Tommy: Nothing, because you can't see the— you can't see who's connected to it. It's different to an email because you use your name.

Josh: You sure you can't see?

Tommy: No, as if you could see. Like, so I'm on a few group messages in my iPhone. Yeah. And 100%, I— yeah, you can't.

Josh: It's not iMessage, if it's just—

Tommy: we did it the other day. Info. Yeah, you can't see. So, if you don't have them as a contact, it just comes up as a number. I need to work that out because Mum told us about it.

Josh: And so—

Tommy: Okay, here's where they might have— Some of them might have been on iMessage and then the email's attached to it.

Josh: But because Mum got the response back from someone else.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And based on your sort of rationale, you wouldn't be able to see that. If you couldn't see the text, you couldn't reply to a group if you couldn't see the numbers.

Tommy: No, you just press info and it drops down the whole list of the people attached to this group message., and so then it shows you in a list format with their phone number. With their phone number.

Josh: I thought you just said you couldn't see the phone numbers.

Tommy: No, I said you can see the phone number. You can't see their name or anything. And sometimes—

Josh: Oh yeah, you can see the phone number though, but that's all you get.

Tommy: But that's what I'm saying. You can't do anything with that list.

Josh: It's nothing. I know that they're all from Rowville now.

Tommy: Okay, so you're saying you could set up another business.

Josh: I could literally say we are doing Donut King. In Rowville. Yeah, the daily talk show. And I text them all knowing that they're all a hot lead because they live in Rowville.

Tommy: So free coffee, come, because you know they like coffee. We've got a coffee van and we're doing free coffee near this, near this cafe. And we're also doing the podcast, and we can assure you that we're filming it and Josh will be showing off. His eye will be twitching because he's drinking so many coffees.

Josh: Did you say this?

Tommy: No, I didn't.

Josh: Did you This year it's been happening. That's okay. Yeah. Anything else happening? Anything else going on?

Tommy: Mate, it's—

Josh: I've got one other bit. This is great. This is the getting into the camera. So the filming thing.

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: Streaming. We're going to be streaming at some point. Next year we'll be streaming every episode at some point.

Tommy: So I think the tweaked version of what you start thinking about when you're being filmed and whether you bring up any of that. Like if whether you're uncomfortable, it's like you oversee a bunch of this stuff and I don't feel like I think about this shit when I'm—

Josh: Well, I definitely don't think about my notes. I've already know, like you even looked at my notes before. I was like, what the fuck is that? Is Josh sending me a message? Because I sort of pushed it forward just so I could—

Tommy: I feel like I'm a new business owner meeting with my accountant. I got that vibe for the first time where you've just, you've got a ballpoint pen This is new.

Josh: I'll explain why I have this. I have an Airlock.

Tommy: Because you use it for writing.

Josh: Yeah, but do you know what I've been writing? What? An entire book.

Tommy: Yeah, I know. This is— I actually, I don't want to push back on your idea. Do it, go for it. I just don't know how effective it's going to be for you.

Josh: So I was reading a book that was about direct marketing, and they were saying that there's a benefit in reading, like rewriting the best sales letters in the world, okay, to become a better writer. So then I thought, what about— I got, uh, This Is Marketing, Seth Godin's new book, and I was like, well, I love Seth's writing, what about if I just rewrite his whole book?

Tommy: It's crazy. Let me just see how many pages.

Josh: Well, lighter than I thought, because it's so slow.

Tommy: Okay, you're not going to write the acknowledgments at the end, are you?

Josh: Well, I made the mistake of starting at the preface.

Tommy: 255 pages.

Josh: It's going to take me a while. I started hurting my back on the weekend doing it, but I got—

Tommy: How do you hurt your back while writing?

Josh: Because it's just like a bit of an awkward position because you've got to work out how to keep the book open while you're writing. It's not that easy. But, um, but I can't— I always normally write in capitals and it just makes no sense to write an entire book in capitals.

Tommy: No.

Josh: So I was trying to write joint handwriting.

Tommy: So the evolution of this from for people who haven't listened is that you've gone from using a pencil, and that's your latest thing, to underlining within a book, to writing the whole book. Should we just stick at the pencil?

Josh: Well, I think the pencil thing is more effective because I started— I ended up going back after this weekend and started reading the book and using the pencil because I didn't have time to be switching between the Artline and the pencil.

Tommy: So, you then focus on the writing and not the real, not the actual absorption of the information.

Josh: It'll be interesting to see what it's doing.

Tommy: But I want you to do it. I want you to finish it.

Josh: Yeah, it'd be pretty— would— how about this? Any offers for who would buy? Because I was— I read the start and it said no reproduction. I was like, this is a bit naughty.

Tommy: Interesting. I was taking notes.

Josh: How about this? If, if someone is willing to pay $100 for a Seth Godin book written by me, okay, in my handwriting, I'll do the whole fucking thing. Thing. Hirethedailytalkshow.com.

Tommy: But next episode you'll be talking about how to up your hourly rate.

Josh: This will take me 50 hours. That'll be fun.

Tommy: No, it's a good challenge. I love you losing money.

Josh: It's a good challenge, by the way.

Tommy: I don't like you losing our business money, but I like you personally losing funds from stupid bets that you come up with.

Josh: Straight from the ING.

Tommy: Where that woman who bought the— who got the free stickers Somewhere over in the States. Oh yes, she didn't get the $50. Someone with the toenail, no $50. And now $100. I reckon someone will buy this. I want someone to buy this.

Josh: $100? Yeah, the whole book handwritten. Yeah. Before you know it, I'm gonna have Mr. 97 on the case being like, mate, how many pages did you do? I can't fucking do this alone.

Tommy: Do you think there could like an Airtasker-esque service site, you could actually—

Josh: it'd be pretty psychopathic, I think. Yeah, I'm happy just to write it. I can barely read my own writing, so that's one.

Tommy: What would you pay for a manifest— not a manifesto, but like the, the original, say, Seth Godin Roadmap, the manuscript? Yeah, that he handwrote. What would you pay for that, and would you buy it?

Josh: Uh, if it was like an auction or whatever? Yeah, $1,000 for Seth's. You'd actually— yeah.

Tommy: You can put it on Afterpay and it's $10,000. Would you get it on Afterpay?

Josh: No, no, I'm not a fucking idiot. It's a Daily Talk Show. HiTheDailyTalkShow.com. We'll put this video up as well.

Tommy: Yes, breaking down that wall. Hey, hey, Ruskies!

Josh: G'day everyone. That was, that wasn't even me winking, that was just my eye. Have a good one, catch ya. It's the Daily Talk Show.