Undercover Squeegee Cops

Tommy: Wait a minute!

Josh: Crossface, the Daily Talk Show, a conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Janson and Tommy Jackett. It's a Daily Talk Show, episode 217.

Tommy: Hump day!

Josh: Happy Wednesday, mate.

Tommy: Um, I, I— you said to me, have you got something to talk about? I said Yeah, and I gave you the headline, but I found the better one. The way I told you it was cheeky cop tactics.

Josh: Okay, yeah.

Tommy: But then I just read the news article headline, which was much more relevant to us, dare I say it, you.

Josh: Here we go.

Tommy: Undercover squeegee cops nab dozens of drivers on phones.

Josh: When you said squeegee cops, the first thing I thought was people who were at the lights. Yeah, doing the squeegee thing, but I thought that they were getting in trouble.

Tommy: No, get this, the cops were impersonating the squeegee guys that wash your windows when you pull up to the lights for a few bits, for a few coins, if you, if you actually have coins. I have no coins to ever give these blokes, but I have conversations with them, um, and we've spoken about that on this show. But get this, so it's like, this is just like an outer suburb of Melbourne out near where my mate Kel lives. And there was—

Josh: so the way it worked was because I was like, do we want to bring up the squeegee thing?

Tommy: No, just go back to episode 14.

Josh: Can I just mention it now just to disable it? In episode 4— this is a huge one— kids in cars, turn off now. I will give you 3 seconds.

Tommy: I've already taken the full brunt of it.

Josh: 3, 2, 1. Episode 14, which was at the beginning of the year, yeah, we were doing a radical honesty episode.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And I said that when I was a teen, I once put a squeegee, like a squeegee that you would use in the shower to clean the shower window.

Tommy: Yeah, like any normal person.

Josh: Yeah. I stuck the handle in my ass because—

Tommy: curious teenager.

Josh: Yeah, because my sex ed teacher, an old lady, probably in her '70s was describing the male G-spot.

Tommy: Okay, and so you thought you'd go on a hunt?

Josh: Yeah, and so I went on a hunt and I found it. And, um, I found it. I don't think I said that last time, but, um, no, either I, I mentioned it, I think, as a way of sort of disabling it. But then unfortunately, we've been, we've been getting emails from people who go past to previous episodes. Yeah, uh, one person said, oh, was just listening back and heard episode 14 on the train. Yeah, cream of the Ali talk show. Cringe. And so there is a bit of fun in us having people like Seth Godin on talking about business and marketing and building big media company. And there's a filthy little secret of Josh and the squeegee, which is secret time cementing. We, we're cementing it every couple of hundred episodes. We bring it up again.

Tommy: It's great. It becomes the in-joke.

Josh: Yeah. And I mean, I've reset the in-joke for those people, so it's a bit of a freshie.

Tommy: You definitely have. Who did you first tell that? To you? Was that— was I the first?

Josh: That was the first time I'd ever mentioned it.

Tommy: Isn't it funny? Because simultaneously telling me you told hundreds of people, or potentially thousands as we grow.

Josh: Well, that's the attention seeker in me, isn't it? It's the, um, the willingness to be vulnerable for a laugh.

Tommy: No, I think, I think it's great. I think it's looking back and it just, you know, says who you were as a young teenager, curious as kids are. There's a fascination with orifices. I don't think—

Josh: did you ever— well, you're talking like it was quite a common thing.

Tommy: Well, I know other people have done similar things.

Josh: What does that mean?

Tommy: I haven't.

Josh: Okay, are you sure?

Tommy: I definitely haven't, um, stuck a squeegee up my ass. I've stuck a finger as I'm washing myself, I think, as people do.

Josh: What did you say? Do you say I sucked a finger?

Tommy: No, I stuck a finger. When you're cleaning yourself, as in what I'd classify as someone who's normal who cleans that area, might just—

Josh: It's a bit of sort of lather up.

Tommy: Yeah, lather up, but not with—

Josh: The intention of reaching some sort of spot.

Tommy: Searching for the G-spot, which I don't know if it exists or not. And that's the thing, they've actually come— I've read some studies around it, them not knowing if it really exists. And it's just some other thing.

Josh: For males or females?

Tommy: I think it's for the— I think it's for females because men, it's like clear that— oh, that's what they've said, it's in the bum. Anyway, this has gone too deep.

Josh: This is not what it's gone too deep.

Tommy: That's another squidgy. Well, the cops have resurrected this, the squidgy approach.

Josh: Pulled it right out of me bum.

Tommy: They're searching for something. It's not the G-spot, it's for people on phones. Yeah, they've racked— they got like 30 $18,000 worth of fines.

Josh: $30,000 bucks?

Tommy: Oh no, sorry, sorry, $18,000 worth of fines. They caught 38 people, so they issued 38 infringements.

Josh: And that equaled to 17— how many?

Tommy: Well, it says here part of the operation involved covert observations of drivers in stationary vehicles. Police issued 38 infringement notices to drivers for using their mobile phones while driving. And then it comes down here and it says it is estimated the sting operation netted $18,392 in fines. The fine itself is $484. I've got one of these fucking things and it scares the living shit. Like, there is one thing, so I get it. I think it's a bit cheeky though. Like, like, you should see the dude. Someone's taken a photo. It's just some dude in like high-vis wear with like a backwards cap that was doing the sting. So he would see the people in the cars and then phone ahead to the person 200 metres down the road, the cop in the car, and pull them over and find them.

Josh: That's so much fun though.

Tommy: It would be fun if you're the squeaky wheel.

Josh: Could you imagine me doing that role? You would, because I'd be like, I'd really put on a character. Yeah, mate, do your window real quick.

Tommy: You sound like you had no teeth then.

Josh: But that's how they sound, isn't it?

Tommy: Yeah, they do, because most of them have no teeth.

Josh: Just a free one for ya, just a free one.

Tommy: Yeah, there's always a free one, then they just mumble like, nothing's free in love, mate.

Josh: Yeah, but that's what I was thinking, like, yeah, I don't want a free one though. I've never said yes to them. We had a dirty window the other day and Bree said, oh, we could— it was one of those moments of like, maybe the answer is yes.

Tommy: Yeah, well, I've always respected them. They're actually looking to exchange a service for some cash, which is essentially a job. They're entrepreneurs, mate, just at a low level. Give them that, okay? But these cops, it's a bit, it's a bit snaky. I don't like it.

Josh: When I was in Turkey, this was annoying. When you see something blowing up on Reddit, doing really well, like a photo.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And it's someone posting an observation of something that they saw. Which I'd seen 3 months earlier and thought, that's an interesting thing. And I took a photo as well, but never posted it. I didn't even post it on my Instagram.

Tommy: Have you even told me about it?

Josh: No, I don't think it was. What is it? It is a cardboard cutout of a cop car, full size on the highway in Turkey. So people slow down thinking that it's a cop car.

Tommy: And but there's no one in there, it's just—

Josh: it's fucking 2D, 2-dimensional.

Tommy: It's like when I see a cop car, I shit myself. I think I look at my speedo anytime I see a Holden Commodore.

Josh: Yeah, who else is owning Holden Commodores?

Tommy: Uh, other than the farts of people out where you're living at the moment, right? Or cops. Yeah, you're right, like that VP, the VR, VS Calais, HSV. Yeah, they're full— like, you look— I always look for the, like, the light on the dashboard, potentially, like, it's to see if it is a cop. I mean, a lot of them are undercover cops that aren't and don't give a shit about traffic stuff. So there's like the highway patrol that are on the tail, and there's undercover highway patrol that are looking for this stuff. But I always see like, um, the detectives, they have a, you know, a Commodore that's like unmarked, but they've got, you know you know, the things at the front. So they probably won't do anything. I've never been pulled over by one of those. The Highway Patrol people are the ones you gotta watch out for 'cause they're legit on the lookout. So they're—

Josh: That's their deal.

Tommy: Yeah, you see the big, like the troops of lots of cops in a van. Like they're not even looking into cars. Whereas the guys in the Highway Patrol, they're fucking on the lookout.

Josh: I'm sure they're KPI'd or something based on it.

Tommy: Which I think that's why, you know, social media has blown this up and people are just like, nah, it's like the injustice, spend your money. Like, it's such a revenue-raising clear thing. Like, it's— I get there is one thing though, from having a $486 fine at a time where the baby was on the way and I fucking didn't need it and I couldn't afford it, I was in traffic sitting there and I got a knock on the window, we weren't even moving, and I just, my heart sank. And I had my phone in my hand, which was stupid because I've got a car that runs it through the system. So I was like just doing something with it. I felt like I was innocent, but I seriously have been so much better since. And so I get it. So it's like revenue raising on one hand, scaring the shit out of people to never do it again. And I look over at people and just go, mate, it's almost like I feel like I wanna not wind down the window and just go, dude, You don't want $486 fine.

Josh: I was out the front, I was on Church Street in Richmond the other day driving to pick Bree up from work, and, um, I really want— I can't remember, I think I was wanting to make a call. Whatever I was wanting to do, I couldn't do it using Siri. What was it? I'm all out of breath.

Tommy: What is there? Banking. Um, you can do it a lot with Siri. You can't like search websites. You can find out most information, open apps. If it's connected to your phone, search a podcast.

Josh: I know what it—

Tommy: yeah, I can't do that.

Josh: I wanted to play, we had a conversation just before we'd left about listening to the old Startup podcast. And so I'd click download before I went, and then I made some call, I had some calls, and then I got to this point where I needed to press play However, traffic lights and I'm out the side of the police station.

Tommy: Yeah, you're the one near Maccas.

Josh: Yeah, and so I was just like, you know what, I'd be fucking stupid to— even though my phone is on the mounted on the Quad Lock car mount, it's probably even more obvious. They'll just see me sort of tapping away.

Tommy: I mean, as if you haven't done the old— I almost see as a challenge, just like my eyes are looking straight ahead and my head's looking straight ahead and my eyes are looking down. To just sort of grab something like a full try and go covert, but it's not the point. They're trying, it's for safety. Probably not the best place out the front of the cops.

Josh: You were mentioning while I was away this 30 kilometres per hour.

Tommy: Oh dude, what the fudge? Like I hope it saves lives. Where we are, where our office is, the big media company HQ, they've just enforced 30 kilometres an hour.

Josh: It's very slow.

Tommy: It's actually ridiculously slow. Even from 40 down to 30.

Josh: Do you reckon if you're going 40 you'd get a fine going in a 30 zone?

Tommy: 100%, 10 kilometres over the limit.

Josh: So, you reckon they see it like that? I remember hearing something, it's like in the States, someone from the US can correct me, but it was like if you're less than 10 miles over you're all good.

Tommy: Yeah, Australia they have a leeway of what, 3Ks or something? 3Ks, I think it is. So if you're going 45 in a 40 zone, you could probably get away with it.

Josh: The comedian Tom Gleeson does a bit on his comedy performance. This is going— this is me quoting him from probably 2009. He did this bit where it was, um, he calls it the little bit of salt and pepper.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: So if you're going over a few k's, it's just the salt and pepper. And so I'm constantly, whenever I'm on the freeway and I'm doing like 103.

Tommy: Yeah, in my head I say just a little salt and pepper, just a little salt. But I don't know how it's— how they see it, but it's a little bit salt and pepper.

Josh: That's like a little bit extra. Yeah, it's a little bit.

Tommy: Can you please get a fine for going just a little bit over and write them a message saying no?

Josh: But if it's 3k, they wouldn't pick you up if your speedo is, is not correct, is on par.

Tommy: Yeah, so that's what I've always thought. I like, even in, I've got a digital speedo in mine and it's not, it's not spot on.

Josh: Do you reckon you would drive faster with a digital speedo or faster with an analogue speedo?

Tommy: I think faster with an analog. I'm more on it looking for the digital speed to just get it to that 40, just get it to that 60, just get it to the 80.

Josh: Round numbers. And I hit it, I hit the cruise control because that saved my ass because analogue I can sort of like, oh, what about if I look really far from the right-hand side? It actually sort of, if you tilt your head and look down, it still looks like you're going 100.

Tommy: If you're a small person. Yeah. If you're really small and struggling to see, old granny looking, trying to look over the, trying to look over the dashboard.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Just seeing that slight tilt. Yeah, you're totally right.

Josh: You mentioned me being in the burbs.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And the whole car Commodore thing. The upside in some regards is coming home to dinner, not having to worry, like that being a thing.

Tommy: Well, yeah. What, 'cause mum's cooking it?

Josh: Yeah, but the pushback that I've always given is I don't think, mum's got a lot of great qualities. She needs to add salt and pepper to things. She's not much of a, she's not a seasoned, she's always pushed back on, herbs and seasoning.

Tommy: Why is that? Doesn't like it.

Josh: Doesn't, thinks it's sort of you're overpowering the food. I call it flavor.

Tommy: What's a dish where it's, that's the case? Like what's a dish that you think needs way more flavour and it could be enhanced?

Josh: Just like a pasta.

Tommy: Okay.

Josh: Just add something else like spaghetti bowl. I'm sure like bolognese, I'm sure it's like mincemeat, a can of tomatoes.

Tommy: Yeah, and no oregano.

Josh: Yeah, oregano, no, nothing.

Tommy: Okay, no, I think it's time. I think it's time to bring a bit of that. But hang on, you're getting it for free.

Josh: And yeah, so we're wrapped. We're like, we've actually, this is probably the first time, it's probably the last, this will be the last time I reckon Bree and I will ever be staying at our parents in the sense of like, we had the big trip. It was sort of, this is, we've been house sitting um, all around the place. We're house sitting in January, so we've made the call where we're like, you know what, let's just stay at my parents for a little bit.

Tommy: I think it's a great move, save a bit of cash, move out. But you're right, I hadn't thought about it as like, is there a time? And if you need help, I'm sure it's like—

Josh: Do you reckon you'll ever be back at your parents?

Tommy: No.

Josh: You got a kid.

Tommy: Yeah, I've got baggage. I've got a bit more to bring nowadays than just myself. I remember finishing up in Shepparton, I was homeless, meaning I didn't have a rental property like I had since I left home. And I went back to mum and dad's and I just had my bags and it felt just out of whack. And I just remember it felt like I didn't like the feeling of not having a place.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Have you actually looked? I haven't asked you.

Josh: Have you been searching? We were looking, but then we're finding places that we liked and then we're like, well, we're not going to move in until January or Feb.

Tommy: So you're pushing it till next year? Yeah, it's probably a good time over Christmas and stuff.

Josh: So the thing is, we're spending— with the schedule that we're doing, leave home at, um, what, like 5:30 in the morning?

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And then we're getting home at 7 PM.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: So it's actually not— it's literally just eating and going to sleep. But, um, Mum is very good. She's got like a group Facebook message Messenger with Bri and I and will tell us like what's on for dinner.

Tommy: Oh, what's on tonight?

Josh: Yeah, she did actually message, but last night she wasn't home and Bri and I were going to the fish and chip place to get some fish and chips. Mum said, oh, there's some leftover lasagna, you can have that. And then so we're like, oh, we couldn't actually find the fish and chip shop. I just assumed that there'd be one at Stud Park. Yeah, it's a shopping center.

Tommy: Like, I remember always having food. There would be food being cooked at my house too. Yeah, and I think about the effort.

Josh: It's a different time.

Tommy: It is a different time, but I, but I do see how it will probably happen with Bodhi because we're in a mode for the— and I haven't had this thinking until having the baby, like where I'm going home and my, my, my thinking is cook for us, cook for Bodhi. Like it's— you're just getting this pattern for years. I could see how it just continues.

Josh: You're always just creating more than what you need.

Tommy: Yeah, especially the kid with the routine of going home, dinner, and then bed, I think. And what changes? Dinner, the kid goes to bed later, you keep cooking dinner because he's coming home hungry. And so it's like, what, 18 years, 19 years, you get into a pattern of cooking that way. And so we just do it.

Josh: So mum said, hi guys, if you're home for dinner, I've made Spanish chicken and chorizo rice.

Tommy: Oh, Jesus, you've got it good. Spanish chicken and chorizo rice. Jeez, Lynn, you're outdoing yourself. I tell you what, Lynn, I mean, I don't think you need much more flavours added to that. Like, you're getting a lot of flavour from the chorizo.

Josh: But yesterday, the lasagna, so she said, "Hi guys, there's leftover meat from Sunday and veggies and lasagna you can have for dinner." Bree said, "Thank you, that's great. Would we heat the lasagna in the oven? What do you think?

Tommy: What's your answer?" It depends on what kind of, there's so many things, but Bree was blown away about how I crumbed chicken when she came over.

Josh: How'd you do it? Did you use egg?

Tommy: That's what she said. How do you do that?

Josh: Did you use egg?

Tommy: Did you use a bit of—

Josh: Egg, flour? Yeah. No, that's how I've done it. That used to be my shtick.

Tommy: So you've done it schnitty?

Josh: I would, yeah. I used to be on sort of the schnitzel train as a kid, like on the sort of, you know, you'd have sort of the wet and dry and you'd sort of go through that whole thing.

Tommy: It makes sense, a Schnitzel train. You've got the stations.

Josh: Yeah, you got the whole station sort of thing.

Tommy: Anyway, you're right. No, lasagna, I reckon it depends on what you want. It could dry it out by putting it in the microwave. Yeah, nah, it's gonna dry it out. It's gonna dry it out putting in the microwave, just in the oven.

Josh: Because Mum said— What'd she say? Bree said, would we heat lasagna in oven? Mum said, I would do it in the microwave 'cause it's pretty— pretty dried out.

Tommy: It's already dried out? Yeah, maybe it's already dried out.

Josh: How can it be dried out? How does that happen?

Tommy: Overcooked it, Lynn.

Josh: Overbaked.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, it is one of the harder things. So a really interesting fact I learned from listening to this guy talk about microwaves is that they're not—

Josh: what, how, when?

Tommy: It's talking about, you know how people used to say, um, nuke it?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And then I was always like, oh, I can't if I like open the microwave. I remember being a kid, if I open this, there'll be like radiation coming out and like it ruins everything. Like, that's the, the talk. It doesn't ruin food. It can— you can overcook stuff, but it doesn't ruin the macronutrients in it if you burn the shit out of it. Really? Yeah.

Josh: Are you sure? Yeah. That doesn't sound right though, does it?

Tommy: So, but it doesn't nuke it. Everyone was saying nuke it, meaning you're like, you ruin all the qualities in it.

Josh: I reckon I can understand why parents get pissed off 'cause Bree did, Bree's hedging her bets. So I just say, "Her and I haven't spoken yet about what we're gonna do." And she said, "Thanks, Lenny. I'll cheque with Josh, but we might be okay for dins, XOXO." Doesn't wanna have to microwave the— So we said, "No, no, this is fresh. This chicken, Spanish chicken and chorizo is fresh." Why?

Tommy: Hang on, what's the pushback there? This sounds amazing.

Josh: Well, yeah, so the pushback is just like, "George, maybe we just—" We still haven't had those fish and chips that we were gonna have. So, it's whether we wanna do that. Oh, you know, like medicate through food. Depending on if we're staying back late, we're having a late one, might as well.

Tommy: How long is it actually taking you to get home?

Josh: So, I'll drive to get Bree, which will take 20 minutes or 18 minutes. And then it will take 45 to 50 minutes. Okay, so it's an hour trip home.

Tommy: I love that it's not too bad, but when you lived in Abbotsford, it was 5 minutes. Yeah, and the thing is, we're gonna—

Josh: will be like, it's in a couple of months, it's gonna be back there anyway.

Tommy: Can you see the appeal of buying out far, like say, if you know, an hour away each night? So there's 2 hours a day.

Josh: I don't think you would work. I, I could actually— I'd be more inclined to say I could imagine that if you were to get a job in an industrial estate, or whatever you call it, in Rowville. That's where you're working. And you— it was a— what the fuck is happening? My hard drive on my computer, it keeps like waking up. Like, it, it's full on because there's— it's like I've got like a hard— like a massive hard drive, like a RAID, like 8 hard drives all connected.

Tommy: I don't know if you can hear it. It wants to get in on the podcast.

Josh: It just beeps every time we're doing the podcast because it goes to sleep. I need to fix up the whole sleeping thing. It's peacocking. Yeah. Did you ever have a computer in your room when you were a kid?

Tommy: Bloody oath. So, um, Conspiracy Jimmy and I used to, like, I— well, he used to build computers and I would watch him and then I would try.

Josh: And, or did you really try building a computer?

Tommy: I could build a computer. Like, I could get the motherboard, I could put in the RAM And I used to actually do this, the hard drives.

Josh: Do you know how to do it so it's not static and stuff? Like how to— No idea.

Tommy: Okay. But I'd reformat them. Super cowboy. And so I was like, yeah, I just followed prompts. But I had one in my room for ages, and that's— and I had the speaker set up like a Logitech, um, you know, 6-speaker, 2 on the wall.

Josh: Did you have colourful lights? Uh, did I have—

Tommy: no, I didn't have that. James, Conspiracy Jimmy, he had a water unit. Oh, that's good.

Josh: Water cooling.

Tommy: Yeah, but it had like Fluorogreen, it looked like nuclear waste. Yeah, it was sick. I remember we went, we drove out to like Moorabbin, or you would have gone to MSY. We drove out to Oakleigh. It was a, it was a, um, Scorp Tech. No, it was a, what's it called, job, a, um, Trading Post job. I had to think about that name of that old business that you'd—

Josh: is Trading Post still a thing?

Tommy: I don't know, not that— I don't think the hard copy, the paper copy. God, that was some of my favourite times.

Josh: But what would you actually do on the computer?

Tommy: Um, what most 16-year-olds would do, 17-year-olds would do, just chat to their mates online. There was—

Josh: did your parents have any rules on it?

Tommy: No, they were pretty lax. I mean, they didn't want me looking up pornographic material, as no parent wants.

Josh: But they had no way of— you would have been what, 16 at the time?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, it was pretty free. I was pretty free to, to do what I want, but I just had photos, music. I used to download a lot of stuff like, um, on like Napster or LimeWire. Yeah, I used to download movies. But it is interesting thinking about how that conversation wasn't had with us.

Josh: Yeah, because you would think it would be quite different nowadays maybe.

Tommy: I think like there was Norton antivirus software that was like could be, you know, kid-friendly. Like, you could set some parameters, but it was, it was a bit hard back then. Now it's so much easy because if you have a Mac, you can just totally restrict access.

Josh: Do you reckon you would have actually been gotten into more trouble if you were more connected as a kid?

Tommy: Yeah, I reckon. I, I think I would have been caught for more things that I was probably like Facebooking shit because I saw someone posted on your Facebook a drunk photo of you, they're still coming up. Yeah, yeah, that will— yeah, a girl that I know, I haven't spoken to her in years.

Josh: Lucky there wasn't any like smart squeegees when I was, you know, it didn't sort of like send a push notification to—

Tommy: assaulted by Josh. There's no— I am only made to wipe windows, not to put in bum holes. No, I think the stuff I got up to when I was young, I think that Nowadays it just wouldn't fly. There's too many cameras. Not that I was doing that much, like, much bad shit, but like, we used to loiter a lot smoking weed in the school, like, and I remember a couple of times there was— and, and like at golf clubs, you just can't nowadays. Like, all premises have like security systems that are wired to the owner or the local cops or whatever it is. You can't— the local cops actually have not to local— I meant local, um, that sounds crazy— the local security teams that would come out. Yeah. And so I think what we used to do, and roaming around at night, totally dodgy, on trains, like when we used to just hang out on trains, there was no security cameras on trains when we were— like, there was the first set. Shout out to Jammo Watts, Connex. She's ridden a few of those, you know, some nostalgia there with some, uh, public transport. But the old— the Connex trains, when they first came in, they had some security cameras, but that was, that was it. Train stations, fuck, man, we used to get up to some, you know, stuff at train stations.

Josh: Were you ever handcuffed? Nah, never, never. Arrested? Uh, detained? Yes, but told you— what's the rights?

Tommy: What are they called? I got— they came to my house and said, um, you need to come to the station, which means you have no option to come to the station, okay, to talk about a matter.

Josh: Do you have to go straight away when they ask that?

Tommy: Yeah, I just went inside and got dressed. And what were you wearing? Uh, it was just the morning, would have been just tracksuit pants.

Josh: Okay, got to put on your nice— no, the Dan Banana, Men to Men, man to man.

Tommy: No. And then so I went down and helped them with their investigation. Okay. And, um, and no charges were laid.

Josh: Do you think your relationship with cops— because I, I think, um, I look at, say, what, uh, has happened in the CBD, and I was texting you about this. For whatever reason, I was obsessed with that video of the cop shooting the terrorist in the chest. Yeah. And I watched every single angle, like I was scrolling the internet like I was some sort of investigator, seeing all the different angles of them just going, well, it's every event now that happens.

Tommy: But the one you're talking about, Melbourne CBD, there's a bit of, you know, something went down last week. You're not weird for looking because most people I know— but what are you saying about the cops?

Josh: So I thought about it. So what I found interesting after that, I all of a sudden had this high respect of cops, and I noticed that we were pulled over by breathalysers that were, you know, checking alcohol for a bunch of people over the weekend. And I felt like the banter was stronger with the cops, like we're having a real good laugh, and there seemed to be a high level of respect. Yeah. And I felt that I was warm to— like, I felt really— I don't know, I just feel like sometimes when you speak to it, it's not in a warm sense, and it probably should be. Like, we should be really supportive.

Tommy: Yeah, I think, uh, my relationship— not that I've had one, but I think because you're young, listening to rap music as a kid, like, they're talking about fuck the police. Like, and I remember just in the graffiti scene, it was all about cops are dogs, you know. So there's like, this is being written up on walls. So it probably has contributed to my thinking about stuff. And I guess if you're— but if you do it like, maybe there was times where I was doing the wrong thing. So you're trying to evade the police, which is like, they're your— not enemy, but if you're trying to be secretive from a division of people, you, you're obviously having— being naughty. Yeah, so you're being naughty, and so you're trying to get away from them. But nowadays, like, I see— like, when I saw that guy shooting that person. I was thinking, they're like majority of police through the force, through a career, probably won't shoot someone. Yeah. And it's most likely won't kill somebody in their time. Like, yeah, it's crazy, isn't it? And so that I think about these two, that one of them was probably 30, the other one was a bit older, like they're rostered on to walk around the street in the city, and on that one shift they just happen to be in the place where this fucking lunatic, yeah, is stabbing people. And, and that's where I go, that's where I feel for them, because it's like, I've, I've not— I know some cops and I think about it, them in that situation, and I think it's just like, it is just a job. Yeah, it's a pretty fucking full-on thing to put yourself into to be a police officer, but you know, when you're dealing with that sort of shit.

Josh: Yeah, but there's also like the day-to-day anything, anytime anything bad happens, yeah, they're cold. Yeah, they're getting to see the worst of everything, I think.

Tommy: And I have grown to have an empathy for seeing how some of them are on edge. Yeah, because that's their reality. Bad shit happens, send them in. Bad shit happens, send them in. So like, I've seen, like, you know, like you see a bit of an edgy cop that's always looking around, they're looking for the trouble because that's their job. They're trying to defuse things and also make sure shit's not going down. So yeah, it's a hard job. What about the— there's like the new on the train system in Melbourne, there's the— what are they called? The fake cops. Well, they're fake cops. They look like they're real cops. They've got guns. Yeah, they're called—

Josh: what are they called? Public service officers? No. Public service officers. No, I don't know if that's right.

Tommy: Public transport officers? Officers.

Josh: They're some sort of officers. But they've—

Tommy: They have some rights that, you know.

Josh: That's what I was wondering. I was wondering if it was the exact same situation at Flinders Street Station, would have one of those not cops, I shouldn't say fake cops, they're just, you know, they went through, the controversy around it was they went through way less training than a cop to actually get there. But they're still serving our community.

Tommy: I've started seeing some tough ones around. Really?

Josh: I wouldn't fuck with them. But they, I wonder if they could shoot a guy in the chest and it'd be sort of celebrated like it was. I remember— Do you think it was celebrated, or am I reading that wrong? Maybe celebrate is the wrong word.

Tommy: Oh, I think in some areas it might have been like, well, I think it's like you did the right thing. So it's not like, yeah, you got him. It's like, you did the right thing, and, you know, sorry you had to make that call, but we've got your back. I remember, this is one last storey from the train, from the train, hanging at the train station before the fucking officers used to now loiter there. Because that was our loitering ground. They've just taken over. But I remember talking to a security guard that brought up the money for the, the ticket machine. Yeah. And he had a gun, and I was like, mate, what do you, uh, like, what happens if something goes down? Like, what do you, what can you do? And I remember him telling me that he has to aim for the chest. Really? Yeah. So he's like, you know, they can't, you can't, you can't just shoot him in the knee. Yeah. It's like shoot to kill. Well, you have to shoot to put—

Josh: Based on what? When they're doing what? In what case?

Tommy: Well, say if they, um, someone was taking their money or they got held up. Although, yeah, see, this is the thing, I don't know when, when is the okay to pull your gun out and actually pull the mainstream media—

Josh: Did a bunch of shit around this after it happened. The, the police commissioner or whatever came out and said like they did the right thing, it's a shoot to kill based on X, Y, and Z. I don't know what they were.

Tommy: A fucking crazy prick with a knife, shoot that fucker.

Josh: Talking trains, we got an email from Danny the train driver.

Tommy: Yeah, Danny boy sent us a, uh, well, you brought up something that he, that he'd kind of mentioned to us.

Josh: Hi@thedailytalkshow.com. He, he'd mentioned something. I'd read an email, thought that he'd been fired from saying something on Facebook.

Tommy: No, he said, g'day, you fucking gronks. Great, perfect, thanks Danny. Only kidding, of course, but proving I do listen. From the, uh, Gronks— Two Gronks episode. Josh, thanks for mentioning, but I didn't get the ass for posting on Facebook. Well, not yet anyway. I work for the government, and there are people who will troll you on Facebook and screenshot stuff and send it to management. So I know I have to be very careful. I have gotten a few warnings from the last private company I work for, so I've had to tone down my, my presence on Facebook. Has been very cleansing, actually. He's seen the light as a digital minimalist. Interview with Gemma was great, she was really interesting, but I had to pause the ep and go and Google who she was. Sorry Gemma, clearly I live in a very sheltered life. Mate, it's probably because you're not on Facebook.

Josh: Or maybe on Insta. So has he just gone off Facebook completely? But he's saying he loved the episode, he loved it, the interview, and he was doing good, went down a rabbit hole.

Tommy: There is, there is some other feedback from other people outside of you, Danny, that tell us that we should introduce our guests, but we've pushed back.

Josh: Maybe it was Danny that mentioned it as well.

Tommy: Oh no, it was, um, it was Trev. There's been multiple. Okay, we've been told a few times.

Josh: What was the end of the email?

Tommy: Uh, keep up the fucking good work, boys.

Josh: Fucking Danny. Fucking Danny. That's his nickname. Fucking Danny. You've just got it. Fucking Train Driver Danny. Is that too long? Train Driver. It was Train Driver Danny. Yeah, I like fucking Danny, but fucking Danny doesn't get— Train Driver Danny, you just, you get a fucking good feel for it. Yeah, Train Driver Danny, fucking Train Driver Danny. It's too long. We'll see. Today's talk show, everyone. Hi@thedailytalkshow.com if you want to send us an email. Otherwise, we'll see tomorrow.

Tommy: See you guys.